1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Stephan ever told your protection of I Heart Radio. Okay, 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: So before we get into this one, I just want 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: to put right at the top that we're going to 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: spoil the heck out of this movie, which is called 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Fresh and it's on Hulu now. It came out in March, 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: early March, sore, and I'm going to give a content warning, 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: but the content morning is a spoiler because yeah, I 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: had no idea about this movie. I saw a few 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: people TikTok about it and tweet about it, and I 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: was like, okay, whatever, really no intentions in watching this movie. Annie, uh. 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 1: And then you're like, we must, you must watch this 13 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: movie and I was like what, So, yeah, yeah, because 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: I'm a good friend that way I have, I've like 15 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: really realized my love language is sharing entertainment that I 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: love with people. That is that is my thing. But 17 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: as we mentioned in Turning Red, we are doing two 18 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: movies this month and I think next month as well. 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: So here's hoping that you like these kind of deep dives, feminess, 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: deep depths into movies as much as we like them. 21 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: This is again, Andie's love language. So she's telling you 22 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: how much she loves you. It is true, It's true. 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: I get so excited about this stuff. And yes, so 24 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: all of that to say, the content warning, uh is 25 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: we are going to discuss some instances of sexual assault, 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: violence and just general gruesolness, grussness. Yeah. I also want 27 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: to say, we've got a lot of things that sort 28 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: of delayed this episode. Um. Some were like work related, Uh, 29 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: some are al g your illness. I do have some 30 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: weird like stuffing iss from drainage. It's not covid M. 31 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: I did check. However, it is some grossness. And so 32 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: my voice it's extra stuffy. So for those who hate 33 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: my voice, you're really gonna hate my voice today. Let's go. Well, 34 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: I have heard of some people who like that sounds, 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: so you know, okay, then there you go. For those people, welcome. 36 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: It's a whole episode of friends. Um. And also because 37 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: of these delays, uh, this episode, which was supposed to 38 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: be a feminist movie, Friday might be coming out on 39 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: a Monday, which means every Monday. Many might be coming 40 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: out of Friday just to really mess with you. Yes, 41 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: we love the switcher Roo. It's not April Fools except 42 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: delayed very much. Yes, And also this is coming out 43 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: on Easter Monday in that case, which is sort of funny. Well, 44 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: I did make the joke about us eating the body 45 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: of Christ. You did, You certainly did, my bad. It 46 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: was a practice that I had in our religion and 47 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: my Christian religion. And also like, yes, this is absolutely 48 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: all about the sacrament, so you know, is that what 49 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: this is? It's maybe entronic, don't you think so. Also, 50 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: on top of all of this, I really wanted to 51 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: see this because I had heard like buzz about it. 52 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: I've seen the trailer a million times. Has the bastion 53 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: stand in it, so it's curious. Uh. And I watched 54 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: it the I think the day after it came out, 55 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: because I was gonna stay up really late and watch it. 56 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: And then I was responsible and I went to bed early. Um. Yeah, 57 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: but I had a friend who was coming to hang 58 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: out with me in Atlanta and she lives she don't 59 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: live in Atlanta because she had a date for someone 60 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: she met online, and um, she was going to come 61 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: hang out with me after and I watched this movie 62 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: as she was like preparing to go on this date, 63 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: and I sent her frantic text where I didn't really 64 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: provide context and just said like, I've just seen this 65 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: movie and online dating and Cannibals and you need to 66 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: watch out. It's like, what are you talk and I 67 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: got the we're doing this for the show. You really 68 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: need to watch it. I can't wait for you to 69 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: watch it. We're gonna watch it together. And we did. 70 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: We did, we did, and I'm sure you'll talk about 71 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: your opinion on that later. Um traumatized. But then I 72 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: made my friend after her date was over, which did 73 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: not involve any of the things that were frantically texted 74 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: her about. Thank goodness, we watched it together and she, 75 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: as someone who is online dating, was like yes, this 76 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, yes, that's so have to talk 77 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: about it because we had just done at the time, 78 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: our episodes on Bad Dating and Bad Dates. UM, and 79 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: I mean within the first five minutes, I was like, Oh, yeah, 80 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: this is it, this is what I'm talking about. I 81 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: know we're gonna talk about it a bit, but like 82 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: there's a point when she's like, this is a nightmare. No, 83 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: this is not happening, and it is like, yeah, everything 84 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: about this is the nightmare. Yes, So if you want 85 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: to see our episodes about modern dating. We've done a 86 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: lot of them. We did one for like COVID dating 87 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: during the pandemic. We we did those two on the 88 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: Bad Dates, We've done like online dating in general. We've 89 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: done a lot around this topic. I mean, at this 90 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: point in our age hitting forty, we have seen a 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: real big evolution of dating and what that looks like today, 92 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean a huge And we talked about it with 93 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: Sex in the City and how significantly changed even since 94 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: and then like, yeah, so it's inevitable that we would 95 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: be talking about those. But yeah, this movie is pinpoints 96 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: every nightmare. It does, it does, and it has you know, 97 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: I love some good symbolism and metaphors, so it's got 98 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: a lot of that going on. And it also has 99 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: a conversation about the difference between online dating and more 100 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: traditional dating, which we're going to talk about as well. 101 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely see our episodes on bad Dates, because 102 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: this is it's one for the ages. This is it, 103 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: this is it. Okay, So let's talk about the plot. 104 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: Fresh is a two dark comedy about online dating, dating 105 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: in general, meat cutes, very funny, UM, really bad dates 106 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: like really bad dates um, and friendships between women It 107 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: was directed by Mimi Cave and Lauren con did the screenplay. 108 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: It stars Daisy Edgar Jones is Noah, Sebastian Stand is Steve, 109 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: Jonica t Gives as Molly, and Andrea Bong as Penny. Um. 110 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: Since it came out, has generally received positive reviews, and 111 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: it stirred up a lot of conversation about modern dating. 112 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: A lot of think pieces you can find, which I 113 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: did and I enjoyed. But people, it got people talking. 114 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: They got people talking. Sure did It's sure did. Here 115 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: we are as part of the people who were talking 116 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: about it. Um. The movie follows Noah, a young woman 117 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: who is just exhausted and done with online dating, but 118 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: she keeps trying. Uh. It opens with her on this 119 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: terribly awkward and outright deplorable date with a man named 120 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Chad Immediately, Oh Immediately, who tells her that women of 121 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: their parents generation cared more about their appearance wow um, 122 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: that modern women wear baggy clothes like security blankets that 123 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: Noah would look good in. Address. Uh. He's really rude 124 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: to the waiter. He's takes her leftovers from her to 125 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: give to his brother, without really asking, He just kind 126 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: of takes them, does outside the restaurant, Chad goes to 127 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: kiss no and she stops him, telling him she doesn't 128 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: think that they're a match, and he tells her that 129 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: he was just being polite and good luck finding a man, bitch, which, 130 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: by the way, I've seen happen so often. Yes, me too. 131 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: This is what we're talking about when we say like 132 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: letting someone down gently and then they get mad. But 133 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: then if you actually let them down and say no, 134 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: then they get mad and they're like, I didn't want 135 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: you anyway. So this is a pity date. Yeah, for real. 136 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: Within five minutes you're infuriated by this whole thing. So 137 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: then you see Noah walking to her car. She has 138 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: her keys in hand because she thinks she's being followed, 139 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: only to realize it was a false alarm. So there's 140 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: that kind of like already hanging over those things that 141 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: we've talked about to be a woman just existing. Uh. 142 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: The next day, she events to her friend Molly, who 143 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: is by about the date and date aga in general, 144 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: during a self defense class composed of all women and 145 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: taught by a man, which I also thought was interesting 146 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: because we talked about that and are kind of who's 147 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: making money in these self defense classes, and in this 148 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: self defense world, we are any tune, we are the kids. 149 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: When you use that phrase, the automatically means you're connected. Indeed, 150 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: Molly tells Noah that she doesn't need a man, or 151 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: anybody for that matter, that it's just Disney movies that 152 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: messed with our heads are collective heads. And she says 153 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: Garriel gave up the whole damn sea for a man, 154 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: which I love, meaning Aerial from Little or Maide, just 155 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: something else we've talked about throughout the movie, which I 156 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: know you loved, Samantha. There are these scenes of eating, 157 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: very close up scenes of people biting into burgers and 158 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um So cut to we see Noah 159 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: eating carrots while scrolling through a dating app. She messages 160 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: someone on there who has a picture of a dog 161 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: as their profile picture, and she says, you know a 162 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: cute dog, what's his name? And she gets some lewd 163 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: messages and a dickpic and response immediately, which again I 164 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: think a lot of us can relate. Um So, Frustrated, 165 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: she decides to go to the grocery store for more food, 166 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: and there she meets Steve, who flirts with her, charms 167 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: her gets her number. Noah later admits she didn't think 168 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: people met I r L anymore, which is yeah, we're 169 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: gonna come back to that point. Uh. They meet up 170 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: at a bar where Noah recognizes the bartender policy, someone 171 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: Molly had once dated. They go through the awkward first 172 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: date questions while getting more and more drunk. Noah reveals 173 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: she doesn't really have any family left, and Steve tells 174 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: her he's a plastic surgeon. Uh. Noah eventually admits she 175 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: hates dating. She hates the preamble, she hates the awkward questions, 176 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: that it all feels fake. She just wants something to 177 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: be real. Um. However, as they're about to part ways 178 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: at the end of the night, she says get and 179 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: starts making out with him. She takes them back to 180 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: her apartment, where they have sex. So before we go 181 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: on on the plot, I do have to ask, have 182 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: you ever been hit on in the grocery store during COVID? 183 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: In fact? Okay, so I had a friend. Yes, that's 184 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: in fact, she gets hit on the in the grocery 185 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: store all the time. I've never had that happen. Man, 186 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: Should I be offended or happy? Anyway? I just had 187 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: that moment because yeah, for one specific person, and she's amazing. 188 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: She gets hit it on a lot in grocery stores. 189 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: She went on two different dates. I used to get 190 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: hit on. Um. There were two places where I would 191 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: joke like, I can't go there because I will just 192 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: get hit on. One was there was a Starbucks on 193 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Sydney Marcus that that like Starbucks across from all the 194 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: Target and stuff, I can't go in there. I don't 195 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: know what some curse I've gotten, like so many so 196 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: many uh what is that called prospects conquests? People have 197 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: come up to be very very certain that I would 198 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: love to go on a date with him there. And 199 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: then a place at our old office. If I would 200 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: just stand there, I swear to you, someone would come 201 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: out and ask me out and I'd be like, what 202 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: is this? What is this vortex? I get the yeah, 203 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: I get like approaches every now and a good But yeah, 204 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't in the grocery store. I just thought that 205 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: was interesting because apparently there's also there was a whole 206 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: tactic that men used to hit on women in grocery stores. 207 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: I digress. So we'll go back to the plot. So, yes, 208 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: coming back the next day. Noah gives Molly the details 209 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: because we all do that. But when Molly goes to 210 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: cyberstock him online and yes, I am that friend that 211 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: does that and can find nothing, she tells Noah that 212 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: is a red flag. Noah ignores her and she goes 213 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,239 Speaker 1: another date with Steve that involves some awkward but enjoyable 214 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: dancing and Noah's apartment. White people dancing awkward. I just 215 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: I want to put that in there as a non 216 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: white person, it was awkward. Um. When Noah tells Molly 217 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: that Steve invited her to go to a surprise location, 218 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a love bombing part. Molly 219 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: calls red flags again. Molly is so smart, but Noah 220 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: is excited by the prospect. She sends Molly a blurry 221 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: picture of Steve and promises to keep her posted on 222 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: her location and how it's going. She does it while 223 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: and he's asleep too. Yeah, that's kind of creepy. Corrand part. 224 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: I will say it's necessary, but still creepy. When Steve 225 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: arrives to pick up Noah, he tells her that traffic 226 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: is terrible, so they'll need to stay at his place 227 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: overnight and they can leave for their weekend getaway in 228 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: the morning Red Flag. Noah tries to text Molly on 229 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: the way, but there's no service. Red Flag. They arrive 230 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: at Steve's house, this huge, lavish complex. He makes her 231 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: drink and it quickly becomes apparent it was drugged. By 232 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: the way, this is a side note, I've already told 233 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: any of this, but this is how I got introduced 234 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: to Sebastian Stands character. And once upon a time I 235 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: can't wait to do her a little but I was like, 236 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: this is familiar. Oh anyway, so she passes out and 237 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: the opening credit starts at thirty minutes and yeah, I 238 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: was like, what is what? What is happening? M I 239 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: think this is a whole new thing though, Right so 240 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: until this point, if you knew nothing about it, you 241 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: might think it was a rom com. But then things 242 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: really take a turn. And that's kind of the review 243 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: that I saw. Yeah, and that was one of the 244 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: things I really struggled with because I agree, yeah, well, 245 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting, and I think most people 246 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: would go in like, you know what it's about. But 247 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: there's a chance, like if you miss everything, you could 248 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: go been not didn't miss it, And that's my thing 249 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: is like I would love that surprised, but also like 250 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: I just know the importance of like trigger and content warnings, 251 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: and so I was very torn about like because I 252 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: had another friend who knew nothing about it, and I 253 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: really debated, and eventually I told her, like, it's not 254 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: what you think, and if you want me to explain 255 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: that more, it's gonna I said, It's gonna be fine, 256 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: not what you think. But if if you want me 257 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: to explain that more, then I will, because I just 258 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: like it could be very drugging victim during a date. 259 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: That's a huge trigger. It's like huge trigger for many 260 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: a women men because people still won't believe people who 261 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: say I've been drugged or this isn't happen. And so 262 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: because we know that that's a big thing that has happened, 263 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: and yes it's been kind of dramatized for specific purposes 264 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: and I hate that anyway, And then sometimes it becomes 265 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: a joke and that's a necessary but yeah, that in itself, 266 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: had I not been warned and had I watched this, 267 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: I would have been mad. I would have been piste off, 268 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: like ready to fight somebody. I just want to say that, Yeah, 269 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: I mean like I said, even like the art on 270 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: Hulu for this movie, like I think you would know 271 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: this is not and the description is pretty clear, like 272 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: M I know I have a different theory about what 273 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: they were trying to trick you with, but I will 274 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: get to that later. But yeah, and it's unfortunate because 275 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: I feel like of my group of women friends, it 276 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: was least half of us have been drugged in a 277 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: date situation or even just like out. So that's like 278 00:16:42,440 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: really upsetting to know. Yeah, all right, we'll speak of upsetting. 279 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: Uh Noah wakes up to find herself chained to the 280 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: floor in a subterranean room. Steve tells her that he 281 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: was going to sell her meat and her hair, that 282 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of money in it, that he has 283 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: no plans to kill her immediately, that the meat is 284 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: better fresh, that if she behaves, he won't hurt her. 285 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: He also tells her that he won't rape her, that 286 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: he likes her. Uh no at first thinks it's a joke, 287 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: um and then tries to beg him to let her go, 288 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: attacks him, but Steve physically overpowers her very easily um 289 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: and leaves her alone in the room, telling her to 290 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: enjoy the sunset painted on the wall and that she'll 291 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: appreciate his cooking because he is a good cook. Noah 292 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: convinces Steve to let let her out to take a 293 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: shower uh and uses the opportunity to try to escape, 294 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: but she has quickly floarded and Steve cuts off her 295 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: ass as punishment. UM. Noah also learns that there are 296 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: two other women can find with her, Penny and Melissa. 297 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: While Melissa quote lost her mind, Penny is kind to her, 298 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: telling Noah that it isn't her fault. Um. Though she 299 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: is shocked that Steve slept with her, doesn't blame her, 300 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: but it is surprised. On top of that, Noah finds 301 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: a message while flipping through a magazine from another woman 302 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: that says, if you're reading this, it means he likes 303 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: you use it. And also, I just had to throw 304 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: in here because poof one of the tips the magazine 305 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: had to attract a man was just smile yeah oh 306 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: yeah yep. So Molly grows increasingly suspicious with a text 307 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: thank God She's receiving from Uh Noah's phone with a 308 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: little slew thing. She discovers that not only does it 309 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: seem Noah is not the one texting her, but that 310 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: Steve is married and has children. Once again, I do 311 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: this to the point that front of our show, Caroline 312 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: will be like, if you need to find out anything 313 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: about any of your exces or your boyfriend's, asked Samantha, 314 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: I will look. I was a defense investigator for a reason, 315 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: just saying I know it's not here. She goes to 316 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: visit Paul, the bartender from earlier, who actually had watched 317 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: the two dates, so he kind of knew already who 318 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: he was, and shares her location with him as she 319 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: goes to investigate the second family. So again, all these 320 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: things are what we do on dates. I did all 321 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: those things again. We talked about in one of my days, 322 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: having my actual roommate follow me to the restaurant. Molly 323 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: tells the woman of the family and of her suspicions 324 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 1: who was the wife and and denies them very like 325 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: obviously shady trying to be She's a little bit nervous 326 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: trying to get her out, and as they're talking, Steve 327 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: Brendon arrives and dismisses her concerns too. Again, though Anne's 328 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: very oddly like nervous as a walking Molly to the 329 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: door of Molly, being smart, but not too smart because 330 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: she should have done this while she was there, calls 331 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: Noah's phone and it goes off from inside Steve's pocket. 332 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: Realizing she was right, Molly doesn't have time to react 333 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: before Anne twist knocks her out from behind. Yes, so 334 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: the Steve slash Brendan thing is he? His name is 335 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: Brendan online right, Noah has been calling him Steve. Okay, 336 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: So soon after this, Steve invites Noah to dinner after 337 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: she had asked what human meat tastes like. He makes 338 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: her noodles with a human meatball uh, composed of a 339 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: woman named Hope. Noah eats it and Steve feels a 340 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: connection to her. Um and yes, by the way there. 341 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: This is after a very lengthy scene where Steve exuberantly 342 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: dances as he cuts up some human meat you see, 343 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: like his little meat closet. Um. He packages it along 344 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: with some of the women's belongings. He says that he 345 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: only harvest women because that's where the market is and 346 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: that they quote taste better, so he puts these items 347 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: in with the women's meat. Uh. Oh god, it sounds 348 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: so disturbing to say to send to his rich, all 349 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: male clientele because it makes him feel closer to the women. 350 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: So after this dinner has done, Steve removes Molly's breast 351 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: unbeknownst to Noah, because yes, he captured Molly and now 352 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: she's in this situation as well. Steve asked Noah to 353 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: another dinner, gifting her with a pink dress and makeup 354 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: to spruce herself up. Um. Noah does so, practicing smiling 355 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: in the mirror. They have a candle lit dinner, and 356 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: Steve reveals that some of who they're eating is Melissa, 357 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: who had been in the same situation and she had 358 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: heard earlier. Uh. They both proceed to get drunk and 359 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: eat some breast meat to finish out the meal. When 360 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: Steve shows Noah his hidden wall of items he's taken 361 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: from the victims, Noah sees Molly's phone case. Steven Noah 362 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: awkwardly dance once again, and Steve realizes he forgot to 363 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: handcuff her. Noah convinces him that they should have sex 364 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: and pretends she's going to give him a blowjob, but 365 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: bites off his testicles instead. Um. She flees, managing to 366 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: free Molly and Penny. They fend off and infuriated Steve 367 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: with cooking utensils, bludgeoning and stabbing him. The women make 368 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: it outside, but Steve follows them with a gun, shouting 369 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: after them and calling them bitches and liars, which I 370 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: find very funny. Um, they are able to get the 371 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: gun from him and shoot him in the head. Yeah, 372 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: I would like to say throughout this movie, because I 373 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: am this person, I'm screaming saying, hit him again, y'all 374 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: didn't kill him. Hit him again? What are you doing? 375 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: Hit him again? Mm hmm. I believe in overkill in 376 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: this situation. I am not a violent person. I'm just 377 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: saying overkill the situation. And then it is the point 378 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: that yes, she is definitely ah playing up, which is 379 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: what we have been told by the way if we're 380 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: ever captured or kidnapped, to not fight because it's worse 381 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: to fight. I think that's changed as of late, because 382 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: some self supposed to people like, just do what you can, 383 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: because if you do this, it's gonna get you killed. 384 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: But a lot of people have told you know, if 385 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: you maybe whatever makes yourself human to them, so many 386 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: bad things. But all that day she does vomit after 387 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: the first time she eats human mate, which maybe feel 388 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: a little better because I was like, what is happening? Well, see, 389 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: that's what I thought the trick was going to be, 390 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: that she enjoys taste, and she enjoyed it. Yeah, and 391 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: we needed that vomit. See we simultaneously Paul. Remember Paul 392 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: the bartender has actually followed Molly's GPS pen after not 393 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: hearing from her, and arrives at the location, but at 394 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: the sound of a gunshot, wisely turns around. This is 395 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: one of those one was like, like, I wish you 396 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: would have stayed, but that was smart. Get the hell out, 397 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: Get the hell out, don't do this to yourself. Um. 398 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: And honestly I didn't expect for him to find them, 399 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: or at least get caught up in that, because he 400 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: does walk up to the space trying to find out 401 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: what's going on. But yeah, here's here's the screaming gunshot runs. 402 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: And also Steve's wife Anne arrives and sees blood and 403 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: signs of struggle in that kitchen, realizing that Steve I 404 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: was planning on cheating on her with Noah because she 405 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: has all the signs. And this is where Annie and 406 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: I debated about what's going on with Anne what about 407 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: the end. She also has Securier who has been throughout. 408 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: He's the one that's delivering the packages, so he's a 409 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: bodyguard some part of this too, but he's pretty much uh, 410 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: doing what she asked, kind of like a butler. As 411 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: a part of this as well, Earlier we found out 412 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: half of an half of Ant's leg was missing again. 413 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: Annie and I had the conversation about why so, meaning 414 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: she probably was a victim of his at one point 415 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: in time, UM and Noah goes back back to Noah. 416 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: She goes back towards the house to recover her phone 417 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: when she runs into Anne, who tricks her into thinking 418 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: she's relieved that Steve is dead before attempting to strangle Noah. 419 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: By the way, Noah does not know who Anne is 420 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: at this point, She just like, where did you come from? 421 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: Um and Molly shows up and batches Anne's head in 422 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: with the shovel, shouting that bitch just like her are 423 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: the problem so many things to that she is not wrong. Um. 424 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: Noah and Molly lean against each other, telling each other 425 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: how much they love each other, and Noah gets a 426 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: text from Chad. The bad Day from the beginning reading 427 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: you up the end and beats beat dubs. This is 428 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: kind of the big trigger where Molly knows something wrong 429 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: because when Molly tries to text Noah, they always end 430 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: with the love you, and that didn't happen. Yeah, I 431 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: don't think. Yeah, yeah, there's so many things to talk 432 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: about with that, and I we're going to get into 433 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: it for sure, But like you said, someantha's so many 434 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: of these things throughout. Even though this was a very 435 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: like obviously elevated horrible situation, we can recognize these like 436 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: similar themes and safety measures that we as women have 437 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: put into place to protect ourselves when it comes to 438 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: online dating. And that is one where oh is cyberstalking. 439 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: We talked about that too, was like unfortunately somebody could 440 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: like take your phone and be texting as you and 441 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: and having those sort of because that Moll even has 442 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: that scene where she's like, no one's gonna believe me 443 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: if I say someone's texting me from her number, but 444 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: I don't think it's hurt because there you know, that 445 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: close and they do have that sort of ritual. Just yeah, 446 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: so much of that. I was watching it, like, you're right, 447 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: this is a this is like a show You're right, 448 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: this is a horror movie like that. We're putting in 449 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: the into place these things anticipating someone could do us 450 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: harm in a situation that should be fun or at 451 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: least like not terrifying. Okay, So yes, obviously one of 452 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: the big themes in this is dating and online dating. 453 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: And as I said, yeah, I immediately texted my friend 454 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: who's dating online and was like, oh my god, you 455 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: gotta tell me everything where you are, Like I need 456 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: to know all the details, Like man, yeah, I mean 457 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: and even that, like even I think unfortunately it's necessary, 458 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: but even having your friend tell you that is like 459 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: it's it's just like a cloud hanging over what should 460 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: be a fun time, what should be a fun time, 461 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: And I do think so. As I said, there are 462 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: a lot of articles that were written about this and 463 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: a lot of think pieces, um, and a lot of 464 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: it was about how modern dating is all about commodification 465 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: and can omption of women's bodies. Um. So if you 466 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: go back to our bad dating episodes, I know a 467 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: lot of us can relate to her date with chad Um. 468 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: And yes, that was certainly a purposeful name choice, I 469 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: have to believe due to the in cell connection. Hell yeah, 470 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: oh yeah, and that whole like a lecture on femininity 471 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: to her, the monologue about hot sauce that he does right, um, 472 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: that hateful reaction to rejection um. And though he lamented 473 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: the loss of women of their parents generation, he does 474 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: not hold the door for her, like it kind of 475 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: slams in her face. Even though I guess that's a 476 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: chivalry that he would want. He insists he splits the check, 477 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: which is great, but he's just not being consistent. He's like, 478 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: I want the pieces that benefit me only, meaning you 479 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: look this way, but you pay now, and I'm not 480 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: gonna hold the door for you. And then yeah, like 481 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: the nervous walk into the car and the dark, the 482 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: dick pick. And then when you get to Steve, he 483 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: first seems very charming, which, by the way, Sebastian stand 484 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: talked to an expert on Ted Bundy for this role. 485 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: In my head again, when I saw his first role 486 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: of being the creepy dude, he did fine. I don't 487 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: think he really needed to talk to anymore. I think 488 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: he's just one of those actors. And I'm saying this 489 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: with no judgment either way, but I think he's just 490 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 1: one of those actors. That's like, I'm going to do 491 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: the research. I'm gonna right, let's just find you do 492 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: the research, don't do method acting. Can't we go away 493 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: from the method acting? From all of these discussing things. 494 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,479 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like, you've you've seemed 495 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: creepy like he you also seem fun but you also 496 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: can be creepy. You do fun with that? Yeah, yeah, 497 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: well and it's funny. But he kind of sort of 498 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: reminded me of our boss. And I texted you about that. 499 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm very right now, I'm very emseted 500 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: you said that on Mike. I don't care. So Basha 501 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: stan is a fine looking fellow. He looks like Mark Campbell. 502 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: You know. I love that you keep screaming he can't 503 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: be luke. After watching this movie, I did. I do 504 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: feel that way. I can. My mind changes, you know, 505 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: it's like a ripples on water. Who knows what I'll 506 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: think tomorrow. Even then, there were also themes. Again, I 507 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: watched this with my friend he was doing a lot 508 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: of like online dating. Uh. Afterwards, we had a really 509 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: good talk about this, and she was telling me how 510 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: much this resonated with her. Of like the fear of 511 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: the drug drinks. They're just knowing she could easily be 512 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: physically overpowered, or yeah, we've talked to I hate this 513 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: is one of my pet peeves. Like being told to 514 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: smile um, which he does to her after he's told 515 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: her he's gonna like slowly sell off her me. He's like, 516 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,239 Speaker 1: just smile more fine, Yeah, being told to dress up 517 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: and put on makeup to look a certain way to 518 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: not cause problems and be a good girl. He even 519 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: tells her to stop being dramatic about the fact he's 520 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: imprisoning her and planning on slowly killing her. Yes, which 521 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: I felt like was sort of the serial killer equivalent 522 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: of you're being emotional, like you're being hysterical right now down. 523 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: Yeah jeez. But that was one thing I saw that 524 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: I didn't really pick up on the first time I 525 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: watched it, but when I was which by the way, 526 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: I watched it like ten times. She really loves this movie, 527 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: which because I do I know, I just I love 528 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: like picking up on symbolism and things I I don't 529 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: know I didn't pick up on. Some people made like 530 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: the connection between oh, you know, you don't meet people 531 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: in real life anymore, and she does sort of the 532 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: comparison between that an online dating and UH with the 533 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: conversation of chat of being like, oh, it was so 534 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: much better when our parents generation and they met in 535 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: my life, and that's just the better way to do it, 536 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: and sort of having a critique of like, you know, 537 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: maybe but can still go wrong, you can still be bad. 538 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: It went terribly wrong, Okay. So yes. Another theme throughout 539 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: is definitely consumption because as we mentioned earlier, Oh my God, 540 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: throughout the movie you see imagery of eating, of mindless snacking, um, 541 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: something that is reminiscent of the mindless scrolling that can 542 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: happen on dating apps UM. And my friend also said 543 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: that she was like, oh yeah, that kind of reminds 544 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: me of just like this constant and need. It's a 545 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: scroll And we've talked about that before, and we've talked 546 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: about I think we did gamification of eating um, and 547 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: that's what she calls it. She says, it's sort of 548 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: for her kind of like a game, just sort of 549 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: almost like you're playing candy crush or something. Well, it's 550 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: kind of at the beginning of what that dating sites 551 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: were was hot or not, and that was tender and 552 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,239 Speaker 1: it's just essentially saying judging people, and it was a 553 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: fun little game, which translated to less judge, swipe right, 554 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: swipe left, maybe we'll meet up. So it became what yeah, 555 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, that's how it started. Yeah, And and 556 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: that's a good callback to too hot or not because 557 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: a part of this is we're kind of looking at 558 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: people as sort of like fresh meat, like we're reducing 559 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: them too hot or not um, which is very dehumanizing 560 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's and it's sort of like 561 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: scrolling for food delivery options like do I want this? 562 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: Do I want this? No? No, no, no no um. 563 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: When no At first meets Steve, it's in a grocery 564 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: store with a sign or eating fresh meats hanging over 565 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: her head, and it's over food that they first bond. 566 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: And yes, if you didn't know, the tagline of this 567 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: movie is meat cute with meat in e eight, So 568 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: just like that theme of blasphemous, I still can't believe 569 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to meet cute was? I know? 570 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: Could you imagine what would have happened with this movie? 571 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: You would have been like what and not understanding You're welcome. 572 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: He really helped me out Samantha. Yeah, so here's a 573 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: quote from Joshua Rivereia at Polygon. You know that algorithm 574 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: is likely to let you down, so you just hope 575 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: it won't lead you to a certain death. It's a boring, 576 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: horrible way to think about people at odds with the 577 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: fundamental desire at the heart of dating to be seen 578 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: as a plead person by someone interested in you and 579 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: you in them. What's more likely is a justification. Dating 580 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: apps encourage users to reduce each other down to parts 581 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: to meet. Yeah, yeah, here's the thing, Yes, there is 582 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: two of course, Like there's the do they appeal to 583 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: me first? Foremost? But for most maybe I'm I'm being 584 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: too generalizing. But for me when I was on dating sites, 585 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: sure you're pleasing to me. Let me go and look 586 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: at what's see what you have? Oh you have these things? 587 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: Hell now like for like, there's so many other things 588 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: that some people do. Just did delox for sure, I 589 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: feel like for a lot of women. Maybe again it's 590 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: under my impression. I cannot base it on that. There's 591 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: too many red flags. I think you're right, and that 592 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: comes from somebody who I like, I've observed and I've 593 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: talked to my friends about it, and I would love 594 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: for listeners to write in your experiences, but I think 595 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: that in very broad general terms, women do, unfortunately have 596 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: to be much more like I'm looking for these red flags, 597 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: whereas men kind of have the safety the security to 598 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: just be like, oh, I like this, she looks good. Okay, yes, 599 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like, certainly, I'm not saying there's 600 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: no aspect for men of like I don't want her 601 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: to be absolutely horrendous. I just think there is a 602 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: difference of like safety and finding those red flags and 603 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 1: why that's significant and who's willing to ignore what? Again, 604 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,439 Speaker 1: generalizations when it comes to this, because I do feel 605 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: like I definitely have a lot of guy friends who 606 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: are like, this is what she likes. Hell no, I 607 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: will say that too, but it's still different standards of 608 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: like he doesn't agree with you, I don't agree with 609 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: you as well. For women it's like this might get 610 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: me killed. This is a huge reft flag where he's 611 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: going to be toxic because he's gonna be abusive to me. 612 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: Da da da mm hmm, just saying the Yeah, it's 613 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: it's very interesting and upsetting to hear my friends. I know, 614 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,479 Speaker 1: we talked about this before, but to hear their red 615 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: flags and I mean, it all makes sense, but it's like, wow, yeah, 616 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: you can't just right. You have to kind of read 617 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 1: into these things and through unfortunately a lot of terrible 618 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: experiences have learned like, oh, I associate this with like 619 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: not a safe person, not a safe guy, which is 620 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: just different, um, a different experience. And yeah, I like 621 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: this quote because it talks about like, ultimately it should 622 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: be you know, not reducing people. Dating shouldn't be reducing 623 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: people down to this, but that's what it's become. And 624 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: now there's like the threat of violence and death involved 625 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: for people hasn't like it's not just that it's now 626 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: become that it's been like that for years, but there's 627 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: less mode of apps and ways of getting this information. Uh. 628 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: Of course, way back when when it was decided by 629 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: the parents, that was a whole different conversation. So you know, yeah, no, 630 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: but going on with these quotes now that I've made 631 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: this example from Bsumanly at The Guardian, he says, for 632 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: many of us, and especially for women, dating apps and 633 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,919 Speaker 1: dating culture can be violently revealing, exposing people's worst impulses 634 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: and most selfish desires, and the film takes particular issue 635 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: with how women's bodies are judged, shared and abused and 636 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: oh my god, right on. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's 637 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: the thing. It's like when he's making those boxes with 638 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: their meat in there and then like their personal belongings. 639 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: Oh that is, so that's exactly that, Like, yeah, just 640 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: judged here, it is for your consumption, doesn't matter what 641 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: happened to her, and like you're never really going to 642 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: think of about that person again. I think it's also 643 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: really symbolic that Steve takes Noah's acid Polly's breast first, 644 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,959 Speaker 1: and it makes sense in terms of like we're gonna 645 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: go first, but also I think it's embolic because it's 646 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: the physical, sexualized parts of the feminine body, yeah, that 647 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: we reduce women down to in our culture all too often. 648 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: On top of that is the whole women taste better 649 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: thing that he says, and that women are who Steve 650 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: hunts for his all male clientele, most of whom are 651 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: older white men sending the cuts of meat, yeah, with 652 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: things like bras and underwear like it's personal items Ke's 653 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: sending um. And there is a long history of showing 654 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: domination by eating or consuming someone in some way, not 655 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: necessarily they're like actual meat, um, whether it's making a 656 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: cookie with their likeness on it or a food item 657 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: baked in the shape of one of the body parts. 658 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: This whole thing is odd to talk about. I think 659 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: we can all admit this is a strange conversation we're having. 660 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: When Steve explains it to know, he says, they become 661 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,280 Speaker 1: a part of you, So it feels like a really 662 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: just like misogynistic domination. I have complete power over you 663 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: now you're part of me at my whims. Another thing 664 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about that really resonated with me 665 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: watching this is this idea of playing the game when 666 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: it comes to dating, when it comes to keeping yourself 667 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: safe as a woman on these dates, because I think 668 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: one of the most disturbing things for me in this 669 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: movie is that you see a really elevated version of 670 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: a woman having to play into the patriarchal game of survival, 671 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: of having to hurt eat other women to survive. With 672 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: Noah's character, at one point, you aren't sure, as we said, 673 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: whose side she's like. And she gets taste of it, uh, 674 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: and it's like all in on it now and then 675 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: on the other side you have Anne, who clearly doesn't 676 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: have an issue throwing other women under the bus. And 677 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 1: my mind theory with Anne is that she kind of 678 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: I was able to play the game, got out and 679 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: then did not care about the other women that were 680 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: getting hurt. On top of that, there's the idea of 681 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: this balancing act so many women's face when it comes 682 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 1: to dating, always always managing the man's ego and his wants. 683 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: You know, you smile, you wear the dress, you do 684 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: your makeup just so just like he likes it, make 685 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: him laugh, you get him to talk about himself, you 686 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: make him feel special, just so he doesn't hurt you, 687 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: so he isn't angry. So she kind of does that 688 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: with the like tell me about how you got into 689 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: eating people like just I feel like a lot of 690 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: us can relate to that too, right, I think we're 691 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: going back to the ADS character. I did find it 692 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 1: because after the attack on Molly, he said we were 693 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: a good team. You did a good job job, and 694 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: you could tell even though she hated it, she also 695 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: needed it, and it was It's definitely like a Stockholm 696 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: syndrome moment that it makes you say uh yeah, yeah, 697 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: for sure. And then there's that scene where Noah is 698 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: putting on makeup and practicing the smile, her smile, getting 699 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: ready for this performance that is so present for women 700 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: on a lot of dates. Um, and her hands are handcuffs. 701 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if you explain this, we kind of 702 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: mentioned it, but her hands are handcuffed during this whole 703 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: thing when he does the dates and stuff like, and 704 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: that just feels very symbolic to me. Also, um, and 705 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: she weaponizes this game, and she weaponizes her femininity to 706 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: beat Steve at his own game, turning the tables, even 707 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: telling him to give her a smile before she shoots him. 708 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like I felt that too, of 709 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: like that performance on a date of like I gotta 710 00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:00,760 Speaker 1: act this way or else. Um. Also, the awkward dancing 711 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: at the end, not the first one, the one at 712 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: the end. I think it's supposed to be a metaphor 713 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 1: for the awkward preamble of dating. Some of also said 714 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: it's like they're kind of looking at the camera and 715 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: in reference to the fact that as a society, we're 716 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: watching this all play out too, and we're kind of like, oh, 717 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: gift this or oh I'll do this. But I'm not 718 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: gonna do anything to stop it, you know, I'll just 719 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: kind of look at it, move on. It's a very 720 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: unsettling like they're looking at the camera and you're like, oh, 721 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,720 Speaker 1: and then yeah, I did. You just have to mention 722 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:37,439 Speaker 1: Steve yelling at Noah for being a liar. Really, the hypocrisy, well, 723 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of men in general when 724 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: they call them lies for being teases. M hmmm. And 725 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: then you like, literally when you're trying to slurt to 726 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,720 Speaker 1: get away with people. And I've done this so many 727 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: times where I'm like smiling and giggling, but I'm trying 728 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: to count the situation and make you feel secure in yourself, 729 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: but at the same time trying to walk away. Yeah, 730 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: I've done this. Yeah, definitely. Because this was in in 731 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: response to her he thought she was interested, right, she 732 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: had been pretending to be interested to get out of 733 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: this unsafe situation. He called her a liar, and I'm like, dude, 734 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: you literally cannibal, right you are, and you pretended like 735 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: you were in love with her and taking her on 736 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: a fancy trip. You didn't even tell her your real name. Yes, 737 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: how dare you? Bro? Indeed, but to end on an 738 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: uplifting though I didn't really really love the kind of 739 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: women as support groups UM, because at the heart of 740 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: the story, the hero of the story is once again 741 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: friendships and support between women, whether it's Molly trying to 742 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: get information to vet Steve like looking him up online um, 743 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: then checking in on each other, Molly investigating the second family, 744 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,760 Speaker 1: Penny and Noah bonding in their darkest moments into sharing 745 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: each other. It's not their fault that this is happening, 746 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: that they had to keep fighting, or on all of 747 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: them coming together to fight Steve and in part Anne, 748 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,760 Speaker 1: who is an example of women who portrays other women 749 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: and benefits off their pain, which is what Molly was 750 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: talking about women like you. Yes, white feminists like you. 751 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the statement, but in general 752 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: it kind of felt like that, Yeah, no, I think 753 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 1: that's I think that was intended, But no, I just 754 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,479 Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it. Was one of those things 755 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 1: again we're unfortunately throughout I could relate. I could relate 756 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: to this, like checking in who is this guy? Like 757 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm happy for you, but these are some 758 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: red flags, like always checking in on each other and 759 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: providing this support um and then at the end, I 760 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: like that it ends with them like I love you, 761 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: I love you more. Oh I did appreciate that they survived. Yeah, 762 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: they did, they did. They We're missing some parts all 763 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: of them, but plus was not happy. As I said, 764 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: I will never watch this again. Well, thank you for 765 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: watching it with me, just this once at least, and 766 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,240 Speaker 1: as always, listeners, we do have a couple of movies planned, 767 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: but we love getting these suggestions from you. It's got 768 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: a list, but keep sending more suggestions in our way. 769 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: You can do that at her email which is Stephan 770 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: Media mom Stuff at i heeart media dot com. You 771 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: can find us on Twitter and mom Stuff podcast or 772 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: Instagram and stuff whenever told you. Thanks, it's always to 773 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: our super producer Christina. I know she would support us, 774 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: she would have our bet, she would do the overkill. 775 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: I bet she would listen to I think she was 776 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,240 Speaker 1: in the best rate Christina, And thanks to you for listening. 777 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: Stephunter told you Prodection I Heart Radio for more podcast 778 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: from my Heart Radio is that you heard you? Ap 779 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: Apple podcast or where you listen to your favorite shows