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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Josh and for this week's select, I've

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Speaker 1: chosen our episode, Was There a Real Robin Hood? From

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Speaker 1: the Heady Innocent Days of twenty eighteen. It's a super

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Speaker 1: neat history episode where we search for the real Robin

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Speaker 1: Hood and find some really great candidates. Was there a

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Speaker 1: Real Robin Hood? I guess you'll just have to listen

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Speaker 1: to find out.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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Speaker 1: there's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there.

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Speaker 1: We're just horsing around saying who's a Who's Ah?

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Speaker 3: Actually, I think people might like a little recree of

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Speaker 3: what just happened.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it.

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Speaker 3: Jerry said, I need to check levels. We didn't really

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Speaker 3: say anything, and she said, all right, you're ready. And

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Speaker 3: you said, we didn't say anything for levels. She said,

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Speaker 3: I don't need you to say anything.

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Speaker 2: She's like, in fact, I need you to stop talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I had to wait until she said

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Speaker 1: start talking his mouth start talking? Monkey?

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Speaker 2: Goodness me? Is that where we are? Yep? How's it going?

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Speaker 1: It's good. I just want to before we really get started.

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Speaker 1: Chuck on to point something. I'm not sure if you

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Speaker 1: know this or not. O, boy, you have a paper

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Speaker 1: clip holding your glasses together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At first I was like, is he just storing the

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Speaker 1: paper clip? And I thought, no, he's not storing a

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Speaker 1: paper clip. Keep that tucked in his cheek. If he

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Speaker 1: were just storing.

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Speaker 2: It, that would like everything else store.

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Speaker 1: It's on the arm of your glasses where your glasses

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Speaker 1: meet the body.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh. You see there, it goes through.

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Speaker 3: It's the it's acting as the screw because the thing,

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Speaker 3: the screw came out and I need my glasses on

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Speaker 3: in order to put the screw in the glasses.

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Speaker 2: It's quite an under him.

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Speaker 1: Were you raised in Oklahoma in the depression?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Why because you can get other glasses.

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Speaker 3: Dude, that's how busy I am. I can't go by

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Speaker 3: the glasses store.

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Speaker 2: I don't need new ones.

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Speaker 3: I just need someone with tiny fingers, okay, and good vision.

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Speaker 1: In Oklahoma could probably help you to put in the screw.

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Speaker 2: Ironically, and this is this worked so well.

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Speaker 3: I stuck this the paper clip in there, bent it

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Speaker 1: It is. It's handsome. It's a handsome. Look I think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna start there. Well, I like it. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: thanks for playing a long sure. So, uh we're talking today.

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Speaker 1: The reason I said who's A? Who's A? Is because

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Speaker 2: Is that from Robin Hood?

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Speaker 1: No, it's actually from the movie Role Models, the Paul

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Speaker 1: Rudd movie.

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Speaker 2: I like that movie.

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Speaker 1: It's good. I saw it the other day again.

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Speaker 2: Good dumb fun. Yeah, I love it. You know he

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Speaker 2: like wrote that Rud Yeah he's great. I like a Stiffler.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great in that too.

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Speaker 2: His little buddy in that movie or whatever they call.

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Speaker 1: Him, Ronnie, Yeah, yeah, he was Ronnie. Yeah, he's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I expect great, great things from that kid. Ye, at

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I was watching roll Miles the other day and

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I always thought it was huzzah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those larp scenes were funny too, right, But the

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Speaker 1: So I was like, I can't wait to incorporate that

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Speaker 2: Prince of Thieves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the reason why that would work is because

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Speaker 1: If you're making a Disney version of it, reality just

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Speaker 2: But I love that version.

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Speaker 1: It's entirely possible and it's a good one. And there

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Speaker 1: are historians who believe that there was a real Robin Hood,

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Speaker 3: But here's my bet is that Robin Hood is a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's my take on it, as well as

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Speaker 1: that it's a few people served as role models for it,

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Speaker 1: role models and new plan that Paul rud is everywhere.

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Speaker 3: But there are some people who still think that there

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Speaker 2: It might have been wholly created.

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Speaker 1: Sure, But then on the opposite side, there are some

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Speaker 1: I can tell, you believe there was a single person, yeah,

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Speaker 2: They're called people who want to sell books.

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Speaker 1: So there's right, there's like they're like Robin Hood case

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so if we go back in time, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think everyone knows that early historians had a lot

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Speaker 1: No, because they would just fill them in with stuff

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think they didn't. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: they realized that early on. I'm speculating here that they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that they're like recording history. I think it was

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Speaker 3: more like, hey, this is a good story, and I

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Speaker 2: Be taking this as is written history. There's spinning yarn.

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Speaker 1: In this case. I don't think that's correct. I think

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Speaker 2: Anti establishment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that actually was part of it before they had

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Speaker 1: as you know, for in this case the robin Hood legend.

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Speaker 3: Right, So if you want to look at literature, like

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Speaker 3: you mentioned these ballads, the actual canon for robin Hood,

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Speaker 3: the very first mention is one called Piers Plowman p I. E. R. S.

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Speaker 1: Like Piers Morgan exactly.

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Speaker 3: From William Langland about thirteen seventy seven. And then there

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Speaker 3: what was this Middle English, I think, so is that

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Speaker 2: A little gest of robin Hood.

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Speaker 1: Those was that like Sean Connery maybe dope.

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Speaker 3: Gest of robin Hood. That's just straight up says Robin Hood.

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Speaker 3: And then a few more robin Hood and the Monk

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what brought us the PG thirteen rating.

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Speaker 3: It was mistaken that incremlins. So whether or not you

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Speaker 3: not these early songs you think are just songs or a.

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Speaker 2: Matter of history historical record.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's how before people commonly wrote stuff down.

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Speaker 1: pass stories down. They did it through oral histories. So

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Speaker 1: it's entirely possible that these early ballads were meant to

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Speaker 1: like that's the divide when it comes to approaching robin

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's easy through today's lens to dismiss these

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Speaker 3: like what better way to remember history, sure than to

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Speaker 3: set it to Come on, Eileen, you know.

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Speaker 1: Why that man? Why'd you just do that?

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Speaker 2: That's a great song.

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Speaker 1: It was the first thousand times I heard it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you don't like anymore? You know.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the problems is it's like it's like

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Speaker 1: they just made ten songs in the eighties and that's

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Speaker 1: all you ever hear. There were so many more songs.

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Speaker 2: Burning down the house.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was once a great song as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to see David burndon night.

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Speaker 3: Oh cool with uh, So you've won't listen to kime

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Speaker 3: on Aileen, but you'll regurgitate the what's up Budweiser guys.

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Speaker 1: That was from the nineties. I've heard that less frequently.

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Speaker 3: What connection did I hear recently from the guy who

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Speaker 2: The guy who directed those commercials.

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Speaker 3: Right, they're like, you may like, you've never heard of

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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Speaker 3: So where were we? We were talking about the talking heads?

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Speaker 1: Right, but it was also an outlaw hideout. Yeah, because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was weird because the king could like

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Speaker 1: So the reason why you were just by definition and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a new Robinhood movie out. Yeah, it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: He's awesome. He does that like jump through he remember

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Speaker 2: I used to could do that.

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Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I never could. Yeah, I would just fall

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Speaker 3: course this one he's he's shooting like literally like five

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Speaker 1: Oh is it a comedy?

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's real.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Like there's guys coming at him from different directions.

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Speaker 3: And then I was looking up movies today just while

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Speaker 1: I think that was just Robin Hood, right.

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Speaker 1: Surprisedly, Yeah, No, that's not the one. There's one that

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Speaker 3: Well, I looked up on the Russell Crowe and then

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Speaker 2: That you know robs and gives to the poor.

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Speaker 1: I would go check that one out. The one that

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Speaker 2: I like that movie when it came out. I'll admit it.

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Speaker 2: You fell in love all over again?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I specifically avoided Draft Day so I could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's funny. I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: That's all I saw it too.

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Speaker 2: But I just remember that.

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Speaker 3: They built up in that previous it's about the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: No, they drafted calling Kernick Capernick, that's so you Kaepernick whatever, let's.

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Speaker 2: Take a break. I feel like we're off the rails

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Speaker 1: That we should know knows. But Josh Clark, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that is just so me.

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Speaker 2: Of course I knew you're kneeling right now.

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Speaker 3: All right, So they're in the forest. The forest makes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's what's weird is if you read those

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people and even in the popular culture,

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Speaker 2: He's always sniveling and when he and so.

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Speaker 1: In the In the robin Hood legends, Robin Hood frequently

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that doesn't make sense time wise, right, because

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Speaker 1: Right, which, in my opinion, lends credence to the idea

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Speaker 3: and they bring the man and he like forgave him

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Speaker 1: Is it. It's not the guy's name Peter Basil. And

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Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like I was really hoping that wasn't the case, best, right,

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Speaker 1: But didn't you hear him? He just said right, mother.

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Speaker 1: then after he endured a lot of agony, they hanged

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00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: him without the skin because I'm sure they peeled it

443
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: off of his neck as well. Imagine how bad a

444
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 1: hanging would be. But then without your skin on your neck,

445
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: it's adding insult to injuries, what it is.

446
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was custom at the time that you

447
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 3: bury the king in different places, which sounds really horrific now,

448
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: but he was. He was cut up and buried in

449
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: different places heart in Normandy, his entrails and shallows, and

450
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 3: apparently the rest of his remains in anjou.

451
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: Right, so that was a good brother.

452
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Richard the lion Heart.

453
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

454
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: So he wasn't like deposed by his brother John. He

455
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: actually died. He was king for two years after their father.

456
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: What was his name, Henry, I believe, Henry the second, Yeah,

457
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: Henry the Second, right, Yeah, Okay, so after Henry the

458
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: Second died, Richard took over for two years, then he

459
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: dies and then John ascends to the.

460
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: Throne reign of terror.

461
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: And John was like he's known among historians as the

462
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: worst king England's ever had.

463
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, like you said, he was paranoid, he

464
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: had no scruples, he was humorless.

465
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: He was just not a good guy.

466
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 3: They point out in this article you sent he was

467
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 3: the opposite of Robin Hood and that he took from

468
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: the rich and the poor and just.

469
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: Gave it to himself.

470
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: I actually wrote that, did you write that?

471
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: Very well done?

472
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you everybody.

473
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: It sounded like a Josh Clark line.

474
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: And in the movies, like John's always just sort of

475
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: a just that he's sort of a whiny baby.

476
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: He is, but he's also very powerful and very evil

477
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: and deadly.

478
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: Yes, and vindictive.

479
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So this is in real life. That's how

480
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: he's remembered and just described. He was very well known

481
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: for being a heavy taxer. He would take your state

482
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: and he would use these funds to like enrich himself

483
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: basically like you were saying. But he was the noble

484
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: or he was the king that the nobles rebelled against

485
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: and forced to sign the magnet Karta. That was John. Yeah,

486
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: that means that he was such a bad king that

487
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: his own people rose up and took London hostage and

488
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: forced him to negotiate with them, and he signed this

489
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: document that forms the basis of civil and individual liberties

490
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: in the Western world, you know, the Magnet Carta signed

491
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: in twelve fifteen. So John was forced to sign that,

492
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: and this rebellion is kind of part of the Robinhood

493
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: legend as well.

494
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: Pretty cool. Yeah, he wasn't cool.

495
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: No, but I just thought everything going on around him

496
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: was cool. And I think that the point of John

497
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: and the reason why I think that he was part

498
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: of the basis of the robin Hood legend historically, is

499
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: that prior to John, when his father was king, there

500
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: was a respect for the rule of law and things

501
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: were just kind of run well, like the king didn't

502
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: act above the law. Well, King John was very much

503
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: not like that. He was above the law and acted

504
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: like it and flawn at it. So when his father

505
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: was around, the idea of an outlaw, an outlaw was

506
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: a villain. By the time John took over, or after

507
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: John took over, that had reversed. The outlaw was in

508
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: opposition to the king. The law was what was corrupt,

509
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: and so John's reign kind of gave this fertile ground

510
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: for a legend like Robin Hood, an outlaw hero to develop,

511
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: possibly for the first time in Western culture.

512
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was prime time for something like this to

513
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 2: take hold. Right.

514
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: So, as far as who Robinhood may have been, historians

515
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: have tossed a lot of people into the pot over

516
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: the years, and most of them have some variation of

517
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 3: that name.

518
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: There was a Robin with a Y.

519
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: Hod h o d, a Robert Hood or Robertus not bad,

520
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: that was Gilbert Robin Hood.

521
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: Sure, why not with a Y N. So all these

522
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: historians are like, oh, it's got to be these three guys.

523
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, robin Hood with a U.

524
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: But here's what some other folks have finally said, is

525
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: you know what I think that name is not a name,

526
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: but it is a term for an outlaw. Yeah, so

527
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: it was created and there's a little bit to back

528
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 3: that up.

529
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there really is. They actually this is like as

530
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: clever as an historian.

531
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: Can get pretty good stuff here, clever.

532
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: And lucky some historians. I didn't find out who it

533
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: was or when, but they came upon a I guess

534
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: like a civic proclamation about prior, which is a church

535
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 1: official being pardoned for seizing somebody's assets. Yes, and the

536
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: person and he seized him without a warrant, which is

537
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: what he was being pardoned for. But the person whose

538
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: assets he sees was an outlaw named William Robehood. Okay,

539
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: Robin Hood right, rob e Hod. So they were like, okay,

540
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: this is a Robin Hood right here. They managed to

541
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: find the year's court record before for the same area

542
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: that there was only one prior in the area, and

543
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: that noted that the prior had seized the assets of

544
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: a guy named Robert Son or no william Son, yeah,

545
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: william Son of Robert Lefever. So what they figured out

546
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: was that the clerk in the pardoning proclamation wrote down

547
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: that the guy was a Robohoud, which meant a fugitive

548
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: an outlaw, and they say, okay, this is proof positive

549
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: that as late as twelve sixty two, no later than

550
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: twelve sixty two, the idea of using the term robin

551
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: hood or some variation of that as a term for

552
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: an outlaw generic term for an outlaw was so widespread

553
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: that a clerk could write that down denote somebody as

554
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: a robohod and people would know what they were talking about,

555
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: which means that that legend of Robinhood had to have

556
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: been around prior to this and in circulation for long

557
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: enough that it had spread.

558
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

559
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: So in effect, William's son of Robert Lefever is the

560
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: same person as William Robahod, right, And this dude in

561
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: twelve sixty two, this clerk just took it upon himself

562
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: to give him that name, and no one thought he

563
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: was crazy.

564
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: Right, Almost like he had written down William the bank robber, right,

565
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: or William the bandit yeah yeah, rather than writing his

566
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: last name, which frankly, he didn't have a last name.

567
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: He was son of Robert Lefever, yeah, because they didn't

568
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 1: have last names very much back then. So it was

569
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: very much like the clerk wrote William the Outlaw Bannit, Yes,

570
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: but what he used robahod or robin Hood instead of

571
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: outlaw Bandit is just somewhere over the ages we lost

572
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: that knowledge that Robahad or robin Hood meant that and

573
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: wasn't an actual person.

574
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: Right. So there's this other guy, Fulk Fitzwarren.

575
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: This guy, he is a bad dude.

576
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: He was a bad dude and he was a real guy.

577
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: And it turns out there was actually a personal link

578
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: to King John. They were pals, Little Fulk Fitzwarren and

579
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: Young John, who I bet Young John was a not

580
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: fun to be around. Now he's probably not a fun playmate,

581
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: yea mine. And here's one story. They were playing chess

582
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: one day, John got mad, broke his chessboard over Folk's head.

583
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: Folk kicked him in the stomach and John almost said

584
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: little John, but that would be a mistake. Little John

585
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: was a character which, by the way, I don't think

586
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: we mentioned Little John was referenced in all those old ballads.

587
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: See he's been around kind of since the beginning.

588
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: And they think they found his grave.

589
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: That's right.

590
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: So this John, as he was younger, went crying to

591
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: Daddy and said, he kicked me in the stomach. Expecting

592
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: to get some sort of back up, and apparently that

593
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: would have been Henry the second. I don't know if

594
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: he beat him, but he was beaten for complaining about

595
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: being kicked in the stomach.

596
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: Kanked him good.

597
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no wonder John grew up to be a jerk,

598
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: right His dad did never have his back.

599
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: It sounds like, yeah, that's part of it, I'm sure.

600
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: So flash forward a bit. Folk's father passes away in

601
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: eleven ninety seven. He inherits his ancestral holding at Whittington.

602
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: John comes to power and says, I remember when you

603
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: kicked me in the stomach, what at bastard? I am

604
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: going to take your holdings, take your family estate basically,

605
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: and I don't give it to your enemy, old Maury

606
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: fits Roger. Yeah, sorry, Maury's. There's a name as an

607
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: ess at the end.

608
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: These names are great.

609
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: So Folk ends up murdering Maury's.

610
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: It might it might even be Morris Morris maybe.

611
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably today it would be Morris fitz Roger.

612
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: That's a new pseudonym.

613
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: Fulk kills Morris, flees and basically wages a robin Hood

614
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: like war against John and his men for about three years.

615
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

616
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: So this could be him.

617
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be because not just the fact that

618
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: he was battling King John and fled to the forest

619
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: where he used as his base of operations. But there

620
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: are a few other things that came up. Like one

621
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: thing that's part of the legends but actually isn't part

622
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: of the earliest ballads is that that robinhood was a

623
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: fallen nobleman bud of noble birth who either lost or

624
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: renounced their title and became an outlaw and then regained it.

625
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: That's the story of Fulk fitz Warren, like he lost

626
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: his land, he lost his title to this other guy,

627
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: and then finally got it back when he was pardoned

628
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: in twelve oh three.

629
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: Right, pretty good candidate.

630
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: That was one. There's another one where Folk was known

631
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: to while he was a forest bandit. He would hijack

632
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: like the King's people who were carrying the King's money

633
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: album and he would say what do you have on you?

634
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: And the ones who told the truth about what they

635
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: actually had, the amount of currency they had on them,

636
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: he would let live very Robin Hoodie, very like straight

637
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: out of the legend. But the ones who lied, he

638
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: would you know, punish with their lives or whatever that

639
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: was super Robin Hoodie. There was also another character trait

640
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: of Robin Hood was disguised as using disguises. Folk Fitzwarren

641
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: was not above disguising himself.

642
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was another guy historical outlaw named Eustace the

643
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: Monk who also had the disguised thing down, very much

644
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: like Robin exactly. He would disguise himself as a potter

645
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: and that even goes to the Disney cartoon. Yeah, these

646
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: disguises very much a Robin Hood thing.

647
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: I haven't I don't know.

648
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: Eustace the Monk doesn't seem as enticing to me as

649
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: Old fitz Warren.

650
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: No, fitz Fitz or Folk is.

651
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: He's my guy to Speaking of fits, though, we should

652
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: tell everyone that that little tag at the beginning of

653
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: the name means that you're.

654
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: You're a bastard child, right.

655
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: An illegitimate son. I look that up because it sounded

656
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: too good to be true. But the there was definitely

657
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: a kid named Fitzroy, which meant illegitimate son of roy

658
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: of the king. And I can't remember what king or

659
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: what the guy's first name was, and since then it's

660
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: kind of become code. But I don't know that that

661
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: was widespread at the time that necessarily Folk Fitzwarren was

662
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: an illegitimate son, or that any of the other fits

663
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: is were.

664
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I wonder today if like Patrick and Fitzgibbons

665
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: and like Fitzgerald, Fitzgerald is all Is that all mean

666
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: illegitimate son of Gerald or Patrick?

667
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's the truth anymore?

668
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: Very interesting fits. Should we take another break?

669
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll let everybody ste on that one for a

670
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: little while.

671
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: We'll be back right after this. As why why why

672
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: s K?

673
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 4: As he should know?

674
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: That's why SK.

675
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: We should know why s K.

676
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 4: We should know?

677
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: Knows Clark.

678
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: All right, so we've covered Folk, and we covered Eustace Folk.

679
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: By the way, we got to tell that one story

680
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: real quick about him.

681
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: The beginning.

682
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he found out that another another band that was

683
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: using his name.

684
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: Pierce Morgan what was his name?

685
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: Pierce?

686
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: What Pierce to Bruville?

687
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds like these sounds like romance novel names. Yeah,

688
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: But he found out Pierce was using his name robbing

689
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: somewhere else. And he captured Pierce and his men, and

690
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: he made Pierce tie his men up and then go

691
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: around and behead every single one of them with his

692
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: own hands.

693
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: With I guess, with the assumption that he would be let.

694
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: Go, I guess, but he didn't. Then he cut off

695
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: Pierce's hands when he was dead. If this happened, Chuck,

696
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: can you imagine being in that house, that room where

697
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: there's like five, six, ten guys? I have no idea

698
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: how many men there were who were systematically beheaded and

699
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: so like, as you're waiting in line as the guy next,

700
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: he's getting his head cut off and your turns next.

701
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: There's heads everywhere.

702
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much blood and gore was everywhere? Like can

703
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: you imagine like really put yourself into that situation like

704
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: that may have actually happened? So disturbing, so disturbing, Yeah,

705
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: like losing your head, that's that's I think that's probably

706
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: like the first mortal fear any humans ever experienced.

707
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we just.

708
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: Know, on like a primal level, the head is supposed

709
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: to be attached to the body, and when it's not,

710
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: there's something bad wrong that's going on.

711
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like your your death.

712
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't we determine though in a podcast nine and

713
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: a half years ago, that you stay alive for like

714
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: what six or seven seconds?

715
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: Second? That's what they found in rats after you were beheaded.

716
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

717
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: I remember that one guy who was guillotine like, he

718
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: kept like looking over and like trying to die. But

719
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: then they'd say his name and his eyes would open

720
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: back up and he'd be like what.

721
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: Oh, could you imagine the horror of potentially looking up

722
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: for four seconds and seeing your headless body?

723
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: No, No, my mind just rails against going there. Yeah,

724
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: it should, it's replacing it with the what that.

725
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: All? Right?

726
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: So there was a guy who wrote a book. A

727
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: lot of people are still trying to pieces together. This

728
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: is not something that historians put to bed years and

729
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: years ago. Definitely, not only fourteen years ago, in two

730
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: thousand and four, and probably since then. But there was

731
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: a dude named Brian Benison who wrote a book called

732
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 3: Robin Hood colon.

733
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: Case Closed, always a cult, the real story.

734
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: That's pretty close to Case Closed.

735
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.

736
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: And he says he's a lot, he's in the camp,

737
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: that Robin Hood is a name, like a title, similar,

738
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: he says to Billy the Kid.

739
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: Right, I thought Billy Kidd was a real dude.

740
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: Though, right, Yeah, I think his name is William Bonnie.

741
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean he knew at the time that

742
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: he was called Billy the Kid.

743
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, it's a terrible analogy. I think so too,

744
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: because it'd be like Robin son of le Fever, right,

745
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: but you call him Robin Hood not even close now.

746
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: But at any rate, he claims it's a nickname and

747
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: that of a man named Roger Godbird or go Baird,

748
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: and he said he's the real guy. He said he

749
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: lived in the thirteenth century. He was a friend originally

750
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: of the Sheriff of Nottingham, Reginald Degray.

751
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: That's pretty significant.

752
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: And we should point out too that the one reason

753
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: we can't pinpoint a lot of this is that they

754
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: never name of the Sheriff of Nottingham they're talking about

755
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: in any of these stories, right, And that's not a

756
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: person's name, that's a title.

757
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: No, But there is such a thing as the Sheriff

758
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: of Nottingham that there was back then. But there were

759
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: many of them, right, exactly, just one after the other.

760
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: So that doesn't help that much, but it does zero

761
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: in sure on the area. But yeah, it doesn't help

762
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: get a time period down.

763
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: No, But he claims that it was specifically Reginald Degray

764
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: that Sheriff of Nottingham and after what four years is

765
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: an outlaw. The dude was captured, went to jail, pardoned,

766
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: and then farmed peacefully for the rest of his life.

767
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, that guy's a pretty good candidate.

768
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: He is because one of the things about the robin

769
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: Hood themes, despite some in some of that, I think

770
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: the ballads, No, not in the ballads. It would have

771
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: been in the ones that came later, so I guess

772
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: the ones that the Scottish historians added. He was battling

773
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: the king in the original ballads. All of the people

774
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: he was rebelling against and fighting were like local authorities,

775
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: like the sheriff of Nottingham. Yeah, so he was kind

776
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: of a working class hero among like the first working

777
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: class the West has ever seen. The Yooman farmers of

778
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: the era or of the area. They were like the

779
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: first like middle class that ever developed. Because either you

780
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: were a peasant, meaning you were a feudal slave to

781
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: the feudal lord and you worked the land whether you

782
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: liked it or not, or you were landed gentry like

783
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: you were a feudal lord and you had a peasantry

784
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: and you had, you know, a bunch of land. You're

785
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: friends with the king. Yeah, but in between there were yeomans.

786
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: I think that's how you say it. Why an yeomen yeoman?

787
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: There were yeoman farmers who were they weren't slaves, but

788
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: they didn't have a title. They just kind of made

789
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: their own way. And supposedly that's what Robinhood was. So

790
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: it sounds like that this was what this Roger Gobert

791
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: is right, he was the same thing. And the idea

792
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: that he was battling the sheriff of Nottingham, that would

793
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: place him more in the historical lens than say, if

794
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: he were like battling King John. That's actually a mark

795
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: against folk fitz Warren, because that doesn't appear in the

796
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: original ballads. It was he was battling the sheriff of Nottingham,

797
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: where he's battling local church officials. He hated the church officials,

798
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: but he loved God. He did so much so that

799
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: he would get arrested to come out to go to church.

800
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: Right. He just hated the clergy.

801
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: Right, which at the time those were the people who

802
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: were taking your land or throwing you in jail or

803
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: taking your stuff without a warrant.

804
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

805
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: And also when you look back on a lot of

806
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: these early ballads and stories, they're very, very different from

807
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: what the legend of Robinhood became to us in like

808
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: contemporary fiction. Apparently that the Jest Ballad only had a

809
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: couple of things that he did that were even close

810
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: to like these big altruistic acts that he's really really

811
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: most known for now.

812
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: I think one of them was he agreed to lend

813
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: money to a knight of the.

814
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: Really, here's five bucks, just pay it back with a

815
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: two percent big.

816
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: Right, But that right, but that whole steal from the

817
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: rich and give to the poor thing. Yeah, that came

818
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: thanks to the Scottish historians.

819
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, all these authors sort of littered it with that

820
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: stuff because they found a champion of the underling basically

821
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 3: and the common man and ran with.

822
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: It just from standing up to the king or to

823
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: the authority who were acting unjustly and above the law themselves.

824
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

825
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: There's also no mention in those early tales of a

826
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: maid Marian, who seems to have come along later and

827
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: is actually one of a great example of one of

828
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: the first examples in literature of female empowerment of a character.

829
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: Because made Marian was no one's chump no in any

830
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: of these stories, and she was like a sort of

831
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: an equal to Robin, partially because of her spunk and

832
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: partially because Robin and the.

833
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: Stories at least, was kind of down with equality.

834
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that was one thing. That and basically being

835
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: in Nottingham area or Yorkshire area but somewhere in the woods.

836
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: Those two things are basically the two constants throughout all

837
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: the Robin Hood legends that he was very much down with.

838
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: He was a feminist, yeah, and made Marian from what

839
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: I saw, she had her own series of ballads before

840
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: she appeared in the Robin Hood ballads. She was her

841
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: own character, and so when they were brought together, it

842
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: was kind of analogous to like putting Superman and Wonder

843
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: Woman in the same comic book basically, which is a

844
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: pretty cool move. That is a cool move, And to

845
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: keep her equal to him, that's huge.

846
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is huge.

847
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 3: Whether or not any of that happened, it's kind of

848
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 3: irrelevant as far as literature's concern. There was one historian

849
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: in fifteen twenty one that wrote, Robin permitted no harm

850
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: to women, nor sees the goods of the poor, but

851
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: helped them generously with what he took from abbots, like

852
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: we were saying earlier with the clergy. But then in

853
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: some of the earlier stories, there's not a whole lot

854
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: of mention of that kind of stuff, except for one

855
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 3: that just had one comment that Robin did poor men

856
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: much good.

857
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: It's okay, sure, I guess it's better than like he

858
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: was the scourge of the poor.

859
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it wasn't like they built the legend upon

860
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: that one kind of throwaway line. But I think they

861
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: did well yeah, yeah, yeah, right, but they didn't make

862
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: a lot of hay out of it, or at least

863
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: that one author didn't.

864
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, not at the very beginning. In the ballads, yeah there,

865
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: it was also like way more violent, Like there was

866
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: one of the characters much the miller's son, Uh huh

867
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: much was his name? I just loved that guy's name.

868
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: Much was. I think in the ballads he lops off

869
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: the head of a page boy, a child to keep

870
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: him from like blabbing from what he saw. You know,

871
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: the location of where the merry Men were right there,

872
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: It was way more violent than than the later ones

873
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: depicted Robin hood.

874
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were though, all Robin and his merry Men

875
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: archery was always a big deal. They're all very skilled

876
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: archers and one of the swordsmen, but they were all

877
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: super skilled horsemen, and that's not something that you see

878
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: as much, right, although I think in this new movie

879
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 3: there he's pretty good horsemen.

880
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean imagine, like it's it's hard enough to

881
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: be good on a horse, but a horse in a forest,

882
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: that's that's like a whole different level.

883
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: Shooting arrows. Yeah, like a Mongol exactly. And that was

884
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: who was so good.

885
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: Yep, the Mongols. The Mongol hordes who made their thigh steaks.

886
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: Remember they sat on raw meat on their saddles to

887
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: cure it. Tar tar, stake, tartar.

888
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: What else you got anything?

889
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: Oh? He was killed by a treacherous priorus, a female

890
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: church official, kind of like a middle manager.

891
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: None, a middle manager none.

892
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went to go see none for oh right,

893
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: was he hurt healthcare? I'm not sure what it was,

894
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: but he went to go get bled and she purposefully

895
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: overbled him. And then when he asked to be buried

896
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: somewhere and she's like, nope, I'm going to bury you

897
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: on the side of the road. And she supposedly erected

898
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: a This is in Kirkles. She erected a stone that

899
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: said here lies Robin hood or something. I don't remember

900
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: exactly what variation of Robinhood it was Robert hood Hude

901
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: and supposedly she erected it, and this was written hundreds

902
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: of years later to basically let travelers through the woods

903
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: know that they didn't have to fear being held up

904
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: any longer.

905
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: Apparently if your name had the initials r h, it

906
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: was fair game.

907
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

908
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: They really have.

909
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: A lot of leeway here with with things like hood

910
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: hod Hod.

911
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well everybody was illiterate, so it didn't matter.

912
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: Robin Robert robertus, come on, maybe I'm maybe, I'm I'm.

913
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: Mine, you middle English dumb dums.

914
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 3: And supposedly, after as he was dying, he used his

915
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: last bit of energy to shoot it, to fire an

916
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: arrow and say that's where I want to be buried.

917
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: That's what she was like. That was nice for the movies,

918
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's not happening.

919
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, sure, sure you can die knowing that

920
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: I'll bury you.

921
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: Just there over bled. Man, can you imagine, because I

922
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: guess you just get so weak.

923
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: That I can't imagine.

924
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: You're probably like I think I'm good. But I'm not

925
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: feeling so hot. She's like, just a little more.

926
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm not dead yet. Yeah, you got anything else?

927
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: Nothing?

928
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: So that was robin Hood history. And if you love

929
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: history too, we'll go look up some Roberhood stuff on

930
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: the internet. Since I said that it is time for

931
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: this moment.

932
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call this one of the many, many, many

933
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: roundabouts emails that we.

934
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: Got a lot. Everyone loves their roundabouts.

935
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: I know.

936
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: It was really surprising, like everyone wanted to talk about

937
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: their hometown roundabout.

938
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: Everybody's very proud of their roundabout.

939
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: Apologies to the people of Carmel.

940
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: Carmel.

941
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: No, didn't say it was Carmel.

942
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember anymore.

943
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: I think it's supposed to be Carmel.

944
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: Let's go with Carmel.

945
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, just finished roundabouts. I thought i'd pitch a

946
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: little info on our local one. In Alexandria, Louisiana the

947
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 3: nineteen forties, it built two circles part of a road

948
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: project speed up travel between two local military bases that

949
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: had popped up to during World War Two. The larger

950
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: of the two is still in use, so it's notorious

951
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: and the area for traffic accidents, especially during heavy traffic

952
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: and bad weather. It's a two lane circle with a

953
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 3: large forested area in the very so that is probably

954
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: the size of a city block. Like other roundabouts, you

955
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: must yield to traffic already on the circle. There are

956
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 3: two lanes that funnel traffic under the circle, and only

957
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 3: one lane for getting off. This means that if you're

958
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: in the if you enter the left lane, you have

959
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: to merge to the right lane before you can exit.

960
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 2: Because the circle is so big.

961
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: Though the speed limit is forty five miles an hour,

962
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: within this circle, people inevitably go too fast, or sometimes

963
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 3: lanes change as slower cars are entering the circle, resulting

964
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: in rear end crashes. The problem is frequent enough that

965
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: the city is seriously looking into eliminating the circle.

966
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: Oooh no definitive planet.

967
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: It's replacement has been settled on, and some locals are

968
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 3: concerned about disrupting wildlife in the forest as well, which

969
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: is delayed any definitive action on whether the circle will

970
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: continue to exist.

971
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: May the Circle be unbroken.

972
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: Warmest regards.

973
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 3: I love that Marshall Wells from Colfax, Louisiana.

974
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Marshall, appreciate that great story. Let us

975
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: know how it pans out because we worry about the

976
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: wildlife too.

977
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and thanks for everyone who wrote in about the roundabouts.

978
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: I love the enthusiasm.

979
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice, especially from Carmel Cormel. If you want

980
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: to get in touch with us, do that. You can

981
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: go to stuff you Should Know dot com find out

982
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: social media links, and you can also send us an

983
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: email to stuff podcast at HowStuffWorks dot com.

984
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,840
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985
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986
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