1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The game is over New York, the world. You baten 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: to win the game. He's got it. That's as Jets. 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: What's down? Can't? You're listening to the Official New York 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Jets podcast, a Jets three sixty production. What's Up Everybody? 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Ethan Greenberg, Eric Allen back here in studios on the 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Official Jets podcast this week Jets and Colts on Sunday, 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: and we decided to talk to Stephen Holder of the 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: Athletic Key Covers the Colds down there in America's Harland. 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: We talked about all things Colts, all offense, defense, What 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: is Andrew luck this year? How has he been performing? 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: Will get Stevens takes. But first things first is I 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: have to rewind the clock here for a second because 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: on last week's pod, e A had of bold prediction. 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Roll the audio and they're bound to hit at some point. 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: But I really think Greens the Jets are gonna have 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: to have success. Moving to football on the ground and 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: watched two nine. I think Blow Paul could have a 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: big game. Yeah, that's right. E A said to nine 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: blow Power is gonna have a big game against the 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. He wasn't wrong, but Isaiah crow Hell really 21 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: stole the show there. Hey, anytime a guy rushes for 22 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: a hundred yards and then they took a couple back 23 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: when the Jets were running out the clock he did. Okay, 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: I know it got off to a tough start for 25 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: not only Blow but the entire Jets team because it 26 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: came out a little bit slow out of the gate. Again, 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: but who could have forecasted Isaiah Coroel going for a 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: franchise record to nineteen and any time you control the 29 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, which the big Uglies did and rush 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: for three hundred and twenty three yards, which, oh, by 31 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: the way, was the second most. And for Chise history 32 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: and Greens, this franchise been around since nineteen sixty and 33 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, I know you're getting a little bit older, 34 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: but you aren't around in those early days. That's saying something. Yes, 35 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: he did, he did, He contributed to the victory. The 36 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: Crow flew higher than any other back in the franchise history. Well, 37 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: we'll get e as slight prediction before we close up 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: shop here, But I think that the whole game was shocking. 39 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: But you can say you can point to some scheduling 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: in the National Football League at times. And you had 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Denver coming off an emotional game, a divisional contest against 42 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Kansas City where they blew a fourth quarter lead, and 43 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: they hung around here at MetLife for a quarter, but 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: they really didn't put up too much resistance. You have 45 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: to give credit to the Jets offensive line for a 46 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: number of reasons. The running game is obviously the one 47 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: that's sitting at the fore front of of everyone's mind 48 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: just because of what Isaiahawllen belal Pal did. But from 49 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: a past protection standpoint, the line held up very, very 50 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: strong against Von Miller and Bradley Chubb, which is debateably 51 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: the top pair of bookend pass rushers in the NFL. 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: They're up there. It's early potential wise, like a couple 53 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: of years. They might know I'm Miller's great, There's no 54 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: doubt about that. And they got their hands on a 55 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: couple of balls. But you have to credit I would 56 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: give a game ball to the entire coaching staff because 57 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: the Jets out coached the Broncos in a big way. 58 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: You go for three three on the ground. The other 59 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: thing is you took your shots up top. Jeremy Bates did, 60 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: and he got a couple touchdowns. From Sam Donald to 61 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson, and that is going to be on film. Now, 62 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: what our defense is going to do when you face 63 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: the Jets? Are you gonna put an extra safety in 64 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: a box? If you do, you're rolling the dice out there. 65 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: You might as well go to Vegas because that means 66 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: no safety over the top on Robby Anderson. And how 67 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: about the efficiency of Donald when you're talking about ten 68 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: completion three go for scores? Yeah, Donald. I think what 69 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: most fans are most impressive about his Sand Donald performance 70 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: is the fact that he took chunk shots chunk plays 71 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: when they presented themselves. But other than that, I thought 72 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: he was very conservative in a good way. Not not 73 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: not in a sense of checkdown check down because you 74 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: don't want to take a shot, but very efficient with 75 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: where he moved the ball. I think the next step 76 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: for him is just gonna be maybe not scoring chunk plays. 77 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: But I think that I was thinking about this. I 78 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: don't think that Jets really worked the middle of the 79 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: field a whole lot. I'm not saying they needed to, 80 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: but I think that it was a good step in 81 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: the right direction because you saw the playbook opening up 82 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: a little bit and I'm excited to see what happens 83 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: Sunday for a number of reasons, but mostly because the 84 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: last time the Jets won there was a three game slide. 85 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: So how are the Jets gonna respond to this victory. 86 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: I think that that's gonna be a very telling factor. 87 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: And this is the game so far off the season 88 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: for the Jet. For Bradley Roby, I kind of feel 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: bad for him. It's uh, Robbie, he loaned him to 90 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: sleep on that first touchdown, I think, and then the 91 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: second one he beat him and it was a perfect 92 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: pass from Donald to use his eyes well, going to 93 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: the right and then coming back to the left and 94 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: dropping a diamond there. And defensively, I thought the Jets 95 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: were very good. I thought they're gonna have some problems 96 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: early against it. Broncos formidable run game. Philip Lindsay was 97 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: getting a couple uh nice games out there, but they 98 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: shut it down. And then Todd Bowles, who was calling 99 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: plays in place of the ill Casey Rogers, Uh, he 100 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: did some nice things too, because I think the Jets 101 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: gotta lead. And then he started started seeing them using 102 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: some twists and stunts up front, and Winter Williams had 103 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: a couple of sacks the Jets at four sacks and all, 104 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: and then I started my little soliloquy here talking about Roby. 105 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: You gotta give the Jets defensive back some credit too. 106 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: I know the Broncos they got some yardage late, but listen, 107 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: Truemay Johnson not playing that game is out with a 108 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,559 Speaker 1: quad injury. So Darryl Roberts filled in and he played 109 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: a good game. And then Perry Nickerson got some very 110 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: valuable run for Buster Screen at the nickel position. You know, 111 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: I think that you have to give a lot of 112 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: credit to a lot of different places on the Jets 113 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: team because I think that all three phases played very well. 114 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: And I think that this upcoming week is a big 115 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: test for the Jets. I think it's the biggest game 116 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: of the season just because we saw what happened after 117 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: Detroit and what's gonna happen after beating the Broncos. I 118 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: don't know. But you can't say. But you can't say 119 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: it's the biggest game of the season when you said 120 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: that last week, because weeks the biggest game of the season, 121 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: trick question, there was no question. But he can't say 122 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: that because really, I think if you look back, and 123 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: we will. After sixteen game regular season, this was a 124 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: pivotal ball game you had to win against Denver. That 125 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: was a team who was two and two coming off 126 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: a short week. And conversely, the Jets were on a 127 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: three game slide and they were starting a three game 128 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: homestand they needed something positive to happen. This is what 129 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: I think about this weekend is that I think it's 130 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: a swing game in the sense of I don't even 131 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: know if that makes say, if you know what I'm 132 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: trying to say when I say, I'm gonna gonna ask 133 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: you to explain it. So what I mean by that 134 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: is it's one of those games where if the Jets 135 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: are able to stack two wins together back to back, 136 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: I think it just kind of changes the mood and 137 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: the feeling internally. Externally more so in the sense that 138 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: you start to put some games together. Now you're getting 139 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: real juice for when the Minnesota Vikings come around and 140 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: then going to Chicago and as the season goes on 141 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: and on. But I think it's just one of those 142 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: games where it may only be one game, but I 143 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: think there's a little more at stake than just a 144 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: winner a loss, and that you can you can say 145 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: to say, I don't say that. I think you can't 146 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: say that, because again you're here, you're falling for the trap. 147 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: You are falling for the truth talking about me personally 148 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: or the team. No, you are I don't think the 149 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: team well. But but no, because again, then when are 150 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: you gonna say next week that the Vikings game is bigger? No? No, 151 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: I think that this is really taking a larger step 152 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: than just their Let's be clear about something. And we 153 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: watched the Colts Thursday night, and the thing I told 154 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: you I think was last Friday is that Indianapolis is 155 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: gonna play for sixty minutes. I don't know how many 156 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: games are gonna win, but Andrew Locke is by one 157 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: of the top performers in the National Football League this season. 158 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: They are rebuilding or building or however you want to 159 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: say it. But every game, Make no mistake, the Colts 160 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: could win this game, make no mistake about it. This 161 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: is profession, no football, and this cold steam could have 162 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: beat Cincinnati lost by one point. They'd a lead in 163 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: that game. They were at the four yard line against 164 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: Philly defunded Super Bowl champion in their building. Oh, by 165 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: the way, could have won that game. Frank Wright decided 166 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: to go for it in overtime, which I like his 167 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: aggression against Houston at home. Any of those games could 168 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: have went the other way. So this Colts team keeps 169 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: on coming at you. Uh, matchups. We just watched what 170 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: Connor McGregor and this Kobib guy in Las Vegas over 171 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: the weekend. Styles make fights. Styles make fights, and the 172 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: Jets have to contend with the different style this weekend. 173 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: I think the run game could give the Colts a 174 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: lot of issues, but luck no matter who he's throwing 175 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: a ball too, and the two guys I think the 176 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: Jets have to make sure that they take care of, 177 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: especially if t Y Helton is not in a lineup. 178 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Is Eric Ebron, the former first round pick in Detroit. 179 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: He showed up on Thursday night a couple of touchdowns 180 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: over Hunter Arabs receivers, and I him hides from n 181 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: see state of course he's been an oppressive rookie back. 182 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: All right, without further ado, let's go to Stephen Holder 183 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: of the Athletic. All right, talking to Stephen Holder now 184 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: of the Athletic. Stephen is this Colts team to me 185 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: at least? And I think to e A as well. 186 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: It's just very interesting because you look at the record, 187 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: it's one and four, but you look at the team 188 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: and it seems like it's a team that plays hard 189 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: for sixty minutes with a new coach and Andrew luck back. 190 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: So how would you describe this team through five games? Yeah, 191 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: I think that's a fair description. Look, you are what 192 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: your record says, and I'm a faid believer in that. 193 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: So I don't think the Cults are a good team 194 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: right now, but I think they're on their way to 195 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: becoming that. And I don't think they're very far away. 196 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: They're they're really going, uh right now a team that 197 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: can't finish games, and it's because they just don't have 198 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: enough to get it done right now. But but they 199 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: have enough to to be competitive every Sunday. And you know, 200 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: even with all their injuries right now, which are which 201 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: are really piling up, they're still finding a way to 202 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: be competitive. So I think the key has been you know, 203 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: we knew this would be every building year, but it 204 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: was hard to sort of project how competitive they would be, 205 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: especially given andrew lux situation coming off that year long 206 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: absence at quarterback. But he's been fabulous really through five weeks, 207 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,479 Speaker 1: and I think that has kind of changed the conversation. 208 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: And and now it's evident they're really not that far 209 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: away from being a team that's a factor. But again, 210 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: they got to prove they can get it done. They're 211 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: so young on both sides of the ball, and that's 212 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: really I think a big part of of why they're 213 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: women for right now and why they haven't been able 214 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: to make those plays to close games. So many things 215 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: to get to you here. I got so many questions 216 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: about the Colts and the Jets and the connections, but 217 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: you mentioned Luck. What were your expectations for him going 218 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: into the season. What were the organization's expectations for him? 219 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Had he entered the season? And has he surpassed maybe 220 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: what you had thought we would see out of Andrew 221 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: Luck here early And how delighted is the organization as 222 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: far as what they're seeing here early on from him 223 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen. Okay, So it's interesting. I remember 224 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: throughout the spring and summer just getting consistent like confidence, 225 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: like I mean both confidence from from upper management about 226 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: their outlook for and Luck. And I didn't understand it. 227 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: I thought they were crazy. Okay, I was gonna set 228 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: yourself up for trouble again here. Okay, it wasn't that 229 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: I didn't believe he was coming back. I never thought 230 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: there was those things. I had enough reporting and enough 231 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: evidence to know that that there has been like legitimate 232 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: progress with his arm, with his shoulder, and then I 233 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: knew that that is showing it was in a much 234 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: first better place, much much stronger. You can look at 235 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: him physically throughout the off season and say, Okay, that 236 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: guy looks like he's going to play football. Last year 237 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: that was not the case. He looked clearly like he 238 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: had been out for months. But all that being said, 239 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: I mean I hadn't seen him do it. So at 240 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I mean, it's about playing football, 241 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: not about you know how much events press. So I 242 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: needed to actually see him throw a football and anything 243 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: after that. After we saw him throw a football, oh, 244 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: at the end of O t A, at the end 245 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: of mini camp, which has been early to mid June, 246 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't rowing forcedly. He was he was 247 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: conducting or participating I should say, in individual drills only. 248 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: And really, you know, we've all spent a lot of 249 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: time at football practice. We know that individual drills are 250 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: not really uh it's not a real replication of what 251 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna do on Sunday. So that was the extent 252 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: of what I've seen. So I was willing to believe 253 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: that he was gonna play. I didn't necessarily not believe it. 254 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: I just didn't think that he would be where he 255 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: needed to be. I thought this would be a really 256 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: gradual process. Range. Look, then we got the training camp 257 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: and literally the first day of training camp was his 258 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: first time taking full team snaps since two thousands sixteen. 259 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: And here was the vault all over the place. And 260 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: I was like stunned. I mean, it wasn't perfect, and 261 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, necessarily in sync, but he was 262 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: doing it, and it was like, all right, well, maybe 263 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: we were wrong. And I think every day you started 264 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: to see it more and more. Even though I would 265 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: say by the end of training camp in the preseason, 266 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: I still thought it would be a slow start for 267 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Andrew luck. I just you know, he didn't play a 268 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: lot of snaps. He played about thirties five well, I 269 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: said today, the first couple of preseason, he didn't play 270 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: a lot. He did play a lot in his and 271 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: and we've got a good look at him. But but 272 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: he had a really uh throwing the ball down the 273 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: field very much. Uh, it was very much a short 274 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: passing game. They had a left tackle injury, which they 275 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: still have, so they were protecting him a little bit. 276 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: And so I don't think we saw the full breath 277 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: of the offense, and we hadn't seen the full breath 278 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: of what Andrew Luck could do. So I figured, Okay, 279 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna baby him for a while here. He's not 280 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: really back, and I thought that process would take some time. 281 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: And then he came out and see the open ball 282 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: fifty times, so everything got blown out of the water 283 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: and I realized I was completely wrong. But he's defied 284 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: expectations for me at least. And look, he's not perfect yet. 285 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: I think you'll see them throwing where he's out of 286 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: sync with his receivers, in part because they're new guys. 287 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: But I just think that comes from having a long layoff. 288 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: But I think in terms of his ability to place 289 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: the ball, I mean, if you watched the Thursday night 290 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: against the Patriot, I mean either of the best balls 291 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: he's thrown this year. I was toringly impressed, and they 292 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: had no business even being in that football game missing 293 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: probably you know, I would say six or seven of 294 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: their top ten or twelve players, So I mean it 295 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: was it was very impressive, no pun intended. Are they 296 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: putting too much on Andrew's luck shoulders right now? Well, 297 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: it's it's happening because of the situation. I think when 298 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: you're when you're missing, you're starting left half, when you're 299 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: starting running back, your Pro Bowl tight end, you're missing, uh, 300 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: your a Pro Bowl receiver right now, t Y Hilton, 301 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: it's very very much in question for this Sunday. I 302 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: don't feel good about him playing at all. So obviously 303 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: they have a lot going on in the injury department. 304 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: It's not just because moments, and Frank Rich will tell 305 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: you that and he goes out of his way to 306 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: make it clear no one cares about our injuries, and 307 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: he's right, but that doesn't mean we can't take them 308 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: into account. So yeah, right now, Anti Luck is having 309 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: to look he's from the ball in twenty times last game. 310 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: It's insane. I've never seen anything like it. And part 311 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: of that is certainly the game situations, falling behind a 312 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: couple of times, going to overtime against Houston last week. 313 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: So it's a unique set of circumstances. Granted, and it's 314 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: not something that's going to happen every week. But they 315 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: aren't having a lot of success running the football. Well, 316 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: that's putting more on the passing game. Uh. They have 317 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: been behind at times, so that puts pressure on the quarterback. 318 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: There's just been a lot of situations that where yeah, 319 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: I do agree with you, I think unintentionally it is 320 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: falling on Anti Luck. What I would say though, is 321 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: he is getting more help than he's gotten in the 322 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: past from his defense. Now, the Patriots put up some 323 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: points last week and that was a little bit out 324 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: of character for the defense. But I do think for 325 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: week the week, the defense is giving them a chance. 326 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: Even the previous game against Houston, I believe they scored 327 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: seven thirty eight points in that game, but four team 328 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: of those points came off turnovers, one in the end 329 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: zone and one inside the teary line. So the defense 330 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: has given them a chance and that's where and wos 331 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: getting a little bit of a lift from right now. 332 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: So in fact, in some cases on some Sundays, it's 333 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: a situation where the offense isn't carrying its ownly. So, 334 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens on this Sunday. But but 335 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: I do think it would certainly behooved them to get 336 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: a running game going and take some of that pressure off. 337 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: Andrew can't continue to throw the ball at this rate, 338 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: whether his soldier is a per cent or not. It's 339 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: just not really conducive to winning football. That was just 340 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. I want to you mentioned the defense. I 341 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: don't think that a lot of fans know a whole 342 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: lot about the Colts defense, and so I want to 343 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: know is what's the identity of the defense and what 344 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: what do the players try to do? How do you 345 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: try to take away an offense from the Colt's perspective? 346 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: And for fans that don't know, is Darius Leonard? I mean, 347 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: my god, this guy's really taking the NFL by storm. 348 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: Is how good is Darius Leonard? Well, I'll start with 349 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: your first question. Look, the defense is very reminiscent to 350 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: to what you saw with the Colts under Tony Dungee. 351 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: Actually ironically so it's very similar to that, very similar 352 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: to what Lovey Smith ran with the Chicago Bears, and 353 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: those are very simplistic schemes there's not a lot of pressures, 354 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of coverage. Is they're pretty basic 355 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: and they're not gonna bring a lot of a lot 356 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: of blizzes. There's not a lot of complex packages. So 357 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: I think what you're gonna see is they're about running 358 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: and hitting basically it. I mean, there's some complexities in it, 359 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: and they do have some things that they'll they'll they'll 360 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: sort of scheme up and and throw at you from 361 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: week to week. But it's not gonna be a ton 362 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: you know what you're going to get. I mean, as 363 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: as the coaches have told me on numerous occasions, you know, 364 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: we do what we do. So it's not a mystery 365 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: to anyone. Uh, the chest coaches are not going to 366 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: look at this team defensively on film and be confused. 367 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: Like it's not that confusing, frankly. So it's really about, look, 368 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: we we believe. This is their philosophy is we believe 369 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: we can get to the football, get three or four 370 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: guys to the football and prevent the big plays. And 371 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: that's really the essence of it. It's been relatively effective. 372 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: I do think one of the things that the Colts 373 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: have really struggled with the last two season is just 374 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: giving up huge plays. That's something that I think has 375 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: been corralsed a little bit this year. So I think 376 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: that is an indication of this scheme having intended effect. 377 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: Now what can happen is a lot of times teams 378 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: can kind of uh you can kind of end up 379 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: dying by papercut if you will, and and maybe not 380 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: getting off the field. So they are a little bit 381 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: of an undersized defense, so that sometimes works against them. 382 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: Uh they you know, they certainly play a lot of 383 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: zero so teams that that are sort of guilt to 384 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: beat zones, they tend to have some success. So there 385 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: are they can be beat right and and they're not 386 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: a finished product by any stretch. But I do like 387 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: the concept and and they're playing it well. It's really 388 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: about not pulling anybody. It's just about doing what you 389 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: do at a very very high level. That's the defense. 390 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: So you mentioned Darius Leonard. This is not a defense 391 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: with a lot of household names. I mean very very 392 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: very few. Uh. Millie Cooker is maybe a guy people know. 393 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: He's the first round pick coming off an a c 394 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: L a little bit of a slow start, but he 395 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: I think has immense potential. But other than him, there's 396 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: not a ton of guys on this team that you 397 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: really would consider household names. But Darius Leonard I think 398 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: is gonna be one of those names here pretty soon. 399 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: This guy's having He did miss Thursday night's game against England, 400 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: but this guy is having an incredible season so far. 401 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: He's he's already gotten buzz I think from people who 402 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: have watched him. He talked to some endless and they're 403 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: talking about Rookie of the year buzz for this guy. 404 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it's UH two. I don't think it's 405 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: too bold at all to to make those kinds of proclamations. UM. 406 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: What he is basically a sideline to scideline player. UM. 407 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: In my earlier in my career career, I covered the 408 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers and they had Derek Brooks playing week 409 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: side linebacker. Right, he's got Derrick Brooks. I'm not suggesting that, 410 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: but he plays a style very similar to Derek Brooks. 411 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: He's great in coverage, he just finds the football. And 412 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: so that's sort of my UH blueprint for that position, 413 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: the weak side linebacker in this particular scheme. My blueprint 414 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: is Derek Brooks and he fits that blueprint. Not in 415 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: terms of talent, he's not there yet. I mean, that's 416 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: that's Crazy's the guys in the hall same. But what 417 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: I am saying is he plays that style of football 418 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: and it's the perfect fit for this scheme. So between 419 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: the scheme fit and just his football i Q which 420 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: is really really off the charts. He's running the defensive huddle, Uh, 421 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: he's he's wearing the green dot on the helmet's he's 422 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: I think a guy who has already really earned his 423 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: coaches trust as a rookie twenty three years old. All 424 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: those things combine, I think make him just a really 425 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: really great prospect, and the culture drives with him. So 426 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: when you say those Tony Dongee lud defenses and Love Smith, 427 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm thinking four three cover two, run to the football, 428 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: play with speed and ferocity. With that being said, the 429 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: Jets just rushed for three three yards. Do you think 430 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: they're They're running game poses a threat to the Colts 431 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: defense that is predicated on speed. Yeah, And I think 432 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: those are the matchups that these kinds of schemes have trouble, right, 433 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: And I remember, uh, the year the Colts went to 434 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the first Super Bowl under oh, well, 435 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: I guess I was gonna say first under Tony Dungee, 436 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: Tony Dundee's loan Super Bowl in two thousand and six. 437 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: There was the run up to that. They had certainly 438 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: a game where the Jacksonville Jaguars rush for three hundred 439 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: yards and and there were a lot of doubts going 440 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: into that postseason, like how is this team going, how 441 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: is this defense wanted to hold up? You know, and 442 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: they were able to sort of pull it together and 443 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: and make that run into the postseason and win the 444 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl ultimately. But I do think that is an 445 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: example of of where this scheme can be problematic. So 446 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, they haven't played a ton of 447 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: really run heavy teams, but the Patriots did have some 448 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: success there and I still mixed in and we one 449 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: had some success for Cincinnati. So I think that's their challenge. 450 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: I think there they are a team that that's gonna 451 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: make it difficult for you to throw the ball down 452 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: the field. Again that yeah, yeah, well that's that's kind 453 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: of the calling card. But but I think the one 454 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: area where you can exploit this scheme is with a 455 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 1: power running game. So that's gonna be the test. Stephen. 456 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: What's been the fall out there in American's heartland after 457 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: the St. Patrick's Day trade? Is the Jets went up 458 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: to number three overall. The Colts moved back, picking up 459 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson from Notre Dame, an offensive lineman who could 460 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: be a really good one, a fixture up in front 461 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: of Andrew Luck for maybe the next time to fifteen years. 462 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: And then they picked up a three second round picks 463 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: in the process. Of course, Yeah, I tell you what 464 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean. I thought fans really had a reaction to that, 465 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: to that trade, and you know, you know, with fins, 466 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: never know how these things are gonna go. And I 467 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: was pleasantly surprised. I thought people really had an open 468 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: mind about it, and they understood that this was a 469 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: long term vision and in order to execute your long 470 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: term visions, well you need draft picks. And that's what 471 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: this was about. This was about draft picks. And yet 472 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: they were still able to get the player they loved 473 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: in Clinton Nelson, and they were willing to take that 474 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: risk that be there. I think it was, you know, 475 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: a pretty reasonable risk to take given the needs of 476 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: the players in front of them. So or the teams 477 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: in front of them, so they forecasted it perfectly, the Colts, 478 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: and they were able to pick up some extra picks. 479 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: They feel good about their their hall of second rounders. 480 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: I mean they've got they picked. They had four second 481 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: rounders this year, and they feel pretty good about all 482 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: those guys. So they were able to really hit some 483 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: important spots to the football team, various learners one of 484 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: those second round picks, for example. So they feel great 485 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: about it, and I think they should. I think they 486 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: did a pretty good job. These guys are Obviously the 487 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: jury still out on all those young players, but if 488 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: you're trying to rebuild a roster, the the quickest way 489 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: to do it is to get an accumulation of draft picks. 490 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: And and that has been the goal for j M 491 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: because Ballard his first two drafts, and that trade with 492 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: the Jets was a huge part of that. Yeah, I 493 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: think both teams are gonna look back at the straight 494 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: in five seven years and they're both going to be happy. 495 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a win win, and and that's really 496 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: the best case scenario. I thought that way when it happened, 497 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: and of course at that point you're forecasting. But now 498 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: that we have something to look back on. I think 499 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: it's really truly is shaping up that way, and and 500 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: I think both teams got the best of both worlds 501 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: out of this. I think they're both very happy and 502 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: should be speaking of the best world. Do you think 503 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: the Colts were fortunate the way that all played out? 504 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels ended up staying in New England, of course, 505 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: but the Colts came right back and got a guy 506 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: who I think it's been very impressive so far in 507 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: a frank right, because the Colts, like you mentioned before, 508 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: and then been in every game. Yes, they lost to 509 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: New England by four team points, but you look at 510 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: these other losses on the schedule, whether whether that be 511 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: Cincinnati an opening day, I think that's a one point game, 512 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: Philadelphia was a couple of point game, Houston overtime game. 513 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: Rich seems like he's got that moving in the right direction. Yeah. 514 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: And here's another fun fact other than the New England game, 515 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the the loft is outside of New England. 516 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: So Cincinnati, Houston, and Philadelphia, the Colts were driving for 517 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: the win on their last possession. I think in each 518 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: case under a minute ago, we're driving for the win 519 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: and just for various reasons, didn't get it done. Un Philadelphia, 520 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: they got to the four yard line that stopped on downs. 521 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a tragic way to lose. 522 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: But in the event, I do think that, yes, Frank 523 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: Wright is a really great fit for this team. As 524 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: I said, they're really young, so I think leadership is 525 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: huge for this team. And look, I don't know Josh McDaniels. 526 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have a personal relationship with 527 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: the guy, but I think the questions about him are 528 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: our areas where they were there was a very important 529 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: questions to be answered for this team. In other words, 530 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, you know, lead us hip, 531 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: uh bringing you know, sort of bringing character to that 532 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: locker room. Can he do that? You know, I don't know, 533 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: can you get it? You can get players to follow 534 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: him at tough times things like that. Those are questions 535 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: that I think we're we're difficult to answer about Josh McDaniels. 536 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: What I liked about the possible higher was offensively he 537 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: was going to get answered about going I mean, I 538 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: had no doubts about that, So that's great. But here 539 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: the culture getting that from Frank Raich. They're getting a 540 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: guy with really interesting offensive scheme okay, really innovative, are 541 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: very uh, very analytics driven, much like Douck Peterson and 542 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: Philly I think, really cutting edge stuff offensively. They're getting that, 543 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: but they're also getting what seems to be a really 544 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: I think a great leader of men in Frank Rich 545 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: who uh, I think from day one really got his 546 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: guys to buy in and and that was hard to do. 547 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean, after what happened. I mean, you're the second choice, 548 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: you're the fallback plan, and you've got to get these 549 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: guys to come on board and to buy into what 550 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: you're selling. And he was able to do that right away. 551 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: So he just I think has had a compelling message 552 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: for his players that they have been just willing to 553 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: follow him. As I said, from day one, it has 554 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: never been an issue, and that's a credit to Frank Wright. 555 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: The final question on my end here, Stephen, is that 556 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: Marcus Hunt is someone that I think fans are somewhat 557 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: familiar with, and I think NFL fans are somewhat familiar with. 558 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: But what's gone on from your perspective in the resurgence 559 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: of Marcus Hunt as one of the very good d 560 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: linemen of his class. It's astounding. I don't, I don't 561 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: know how this happened. Marcus Hunt was on this team 562 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: last year and I barely called his name. I don't 563 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: even know if I really storried about Marcus Unt. He 564 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: just wasn't really a factor. And you know, he always 565 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: had sort of a special team's presence, so that was 566 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: always helpful to keep him on a roster. He could 567 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: give you some some good snaps, whether a defensive end 568 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: or at the interior spot, and you know, maybe as 569 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: a depth player, but certainly wasn't a frontline player this year. 570 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: There's a combination of things. Um, it's uh, it's a 571 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: change in scheme. He really has adapted well to it. 572 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: I don't. I think he's played the four or three before, 573 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: but not in this style of fortnery. So this is 574 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: more of a more of an attacking scheme. Get up 575 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: the field, get off the ball. Uh. It's not a 576 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: uh they're they're playing in the gaps, they're shooting gaps 577 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: and and basically it's this in uh, what they're asking 578 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: from their defensive linemen. So he adapts well to that, 579 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: and then he's just getting more opportunity I looked back 580 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: at his snap counts over the years, and this is, 581 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: I mean, by fur the most Marcus Hunt has ever played. 582 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: It's last year Cincinnati, if I remember correctly, he played 583 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: about fifteen percent of the defensive snaps and it's really 584 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: hard too much in that situation. Now, you could argue 585 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: he didn't earn more snaps, and that's probably what the 586 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: Bengals would tell you. Uh, And that's that's fine, that's 587 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: not that's not an illegitimate argument. I think that's very fair. 588 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is he's getting opportunities 589 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: and he's making most of them, and I think that 590 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: builds confidence. And he just looks really comfortable right now. 591 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: And the other thing is he's stills a versatility. He 592 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: started off the year defensive end. Uh, some injuries popped 593 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: up and they asked him to play three technique defensive tackle. Well, 594 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: that ended up being very productive for Marcus Hunt, and 595 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: so he's actually now spending more time there. The Colts 596 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: really liked that spot for him, so uh, they're they're 597 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: fine with it. They're ready for him to keep this up. 598 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: That is Stephen Holder of the Athletic. You can follow 599 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: him on Twitter at holder, Stephen with a pH not 600 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: in f Stephen, thank you so much for coming on 601 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: the Official Jets Podcast and we'll see you Sunday alright, 602 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Thanks for having me, Thanks Stephen. Okay, so, 603 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: green's a big picture here for the Jets. Damn an 604 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to get to three and three in the biggest 605 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: game ever. As you're calling that, well, you could almost 606 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: call it the Super Bowl, no pun intended. We will 607 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: get there in a second. But how about this. Miami's 608 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: playing the Bears. Bears are in Chicago. I don't know 609 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: where that game is and I don't know I don't 610 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: have it. And New England is playing Kansas City. I'm 611 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: excited to watch that game. That's football. There is a 612 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: chance the Jets could be sitting there Sunday night at 613 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: three and three. The Dolphins could be three and three, 614 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: The Patriots could be three and three. The Patriots will score. 615 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: Are they gonna be able to score enough against that 616 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: freak Patty Mahomes and company? Okay, this the threes thing 617 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: is really blowing my mind here with the three and three, 618 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: the three and three, the Jets straight up from six 619 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: to three and oh, by the way, the Jets are 620 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: honoring the team of Super Bowl three. There is some 621 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: weird stuff going on right now. That's not weird because 622 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: that's fifty but it's Super Bowl three fifty years And 623 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: if you haven't checked out that podcast with Bob Letterer, 624 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: that's posted as well, so check that out. Jets colts. Oh, 625 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: everybody's asking me about uniforms all the time, white on white, 626 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: gray face masks like they did January twelve night. But 627 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: but the decals not changing, right, No, just just making 628 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: sure because some fans is gonna be like, are they 629 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: the old helmets? No. The final score, I'm very excited 630 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: at sixteen and seven. Could you imagine if that was 631 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: the final score of this game? Now, that would bring 632 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: the house down A lot of festivities this weekend. The 633 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl three team, we'll be here um throughout the weekend. 634 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: I think they arrived on Friday and Saturday will be 635 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 1: out here after walk through and then Saturday night Chris 636 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: Berman is hosting at dinner at Life Stadium. The Q 637 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: and A is going to be broadcast live stream live 638 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: on some Jets platforms. Sunday, we gotta breakfast um, and 639 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: then you gotta check out pregame Central and eleven a m. 640 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. And for the record, the 641 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: Dolphins and Patriots are home. The Bills are on the 642 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: road against Texas Bills and Texans. That will probably be 643 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: a defensive struggle. Josh Allen is finding his way right now. Um. 644 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: I think Sam Donald the Jets rookies a lot further 645 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: advance in terms of pocket presence, getting rid of the 646 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: football on time, and things like that. The Bills are 647 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: taking baby steps right now, and they're winning with their 648 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: defense and want two of their last three games. You 649 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: can't forget about them and the equation so early in 650 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: the season. But I'm just saying, there is a chance 651 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: you could be looking at all these teams that sitting 652 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: there within three and three. That probably won't happen, but 653 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: the Jets have a halvan opportunity to get to get 654 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 1: the three and three, And then wouldn't that be something 655 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: The players can leave my Life stadium, the fans can 656 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: celebrate Super Bowl three, and then you go home and 657 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: watch Kansas City put one on New England. I think 658 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: that's what we're all rooting for. So you're saying there's 659 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: a chance. Dumb and Dumber a great movie but that's 660 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: all we have here. On the Official Jets podcast this week, 661 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: you get Jets and Colts Sunday, one o'clock met Life Stadium. 662 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: We said it multiple times on multiple podcasts. Get Chip 663 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: Hop Corner early. Don't go anywhere during halftime because the 664 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: Super Bowl three team will be honored and you don't 665 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: want to miss it. But that's all we have here 666 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: and we'll see you Sunday