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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my friends in Progress. Today is a very special day

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Speaker 1: on this podcast. Someone that I look up to so tremendously,

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Speaker 1: who is larger than life and so inspirational, is taking

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Speaker 1: time out of her day today to be here with us.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is Jane Fonda.

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Speaker 2: You guys.

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Speaker 1: Jane Vonda is an icon from her numerous Academy Award

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Speaker 1: nominations and wins, by the way to her incredibly acclaimed

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Speaker 1: career as an actor, a film and television producer. She

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Speaker 1: even revolutionized the fitness industry. I mean hello Jane Vonda's

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Speaker 1: workout in nineteen eighty two. You guys. This woman has

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Speaker 1: done it all as a performer and as a leader,

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Speaker 1: and most impressively to me, as an incredible activist. Jane

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Speaker 1: has used the privilege of her platform to stand up

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Speaker 1: for other people for her whole life as an anti

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Speaker 1: war activist during the Vietnam War. Publicly launching into anti

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Speaker 1: war work during the Vietnam era, Jane decided to travel

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Speaker 1: the world and learn from people, whether they were Green berets,

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Speaker 1: indigenous leaders, women on the forefront of feminist movements, for

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Speaker 1: equity and equality and now for so many years, Jane

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Speaker 1: has been leading on climate. As young climate activist Greta

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Speaker 1: Tunberg said, our house is on fire and we need

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Speaker 1: to act like it. Jane was so inspired by Greta,

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Speaker 1: by Reverend Barber's moral Mondays, and by Randall Robinson's anti

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Speaker 2: She took all of that.

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Speaker 1: Inspiration and launched fire Drill Fridays in collaboration with Greenpeace

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. She started in Washington, d C. With

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Speaker 1: a series of peaceful actions and brought together frontline activists,

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Speaker 1: youth leaders, indigenous leaders, climate experts, celebrities and activists and

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Speaker 1: act on the climate emergency. Since its inception, her movement

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Speaker 1: to fight the global climate disaster has inspired millions of

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Speaker 1: people to participate in nonviolent direct action and counted more

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Speaker 1: than twelve million viewers joining virtually during the pandemic, Jane

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Speaker 1: has inspired people around the world, and as we launch

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Speaker 1: into an election year, she is here to talk to

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Speaker 1: us about what matters for the nation, what matters for

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Speaker 1: the planet, and for our fellow Californians. What matters to

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Speaker 1: us here in our home state. So let's dive in

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Speaker 1: and learn from the icon herself. So many things I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you about. You know, there's such a

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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of work you do outside of you know,

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Speaker 1: the work that you became known for as being such

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Speaker 1: an incredible performer and you know, an award winning actor,

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Speaker 1: and your activism has always been such a part of

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Speaker 1: your identity. You've always spent the privilege of your platform

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Speaker 1: to try to support people. And in recent years, you know,

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Speaker 1: you and I have really been able to spend some

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Speaker 1: time together working on activism around the climate crisis. And

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Speaker 1: there's just there's so much that you do, you know,

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Speaker 1: as the woman you are and with your pack and

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Speaker 1: the way that you inspire all of us. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to where we find ourselves today, I like

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Speaker 1: to go back really to the beginning with people and

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Speaker 1: learn about where you come from. Because I'm always very

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Speaker 1: curious if now, you know, they say hindsight's twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: if when you look back at your life, even into

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Speaker 1: who was always going to lead. Do you see her

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Speaker 2: You know, I guess, Sophia. What really matters, and it's

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Speaker 2: harder to remember is the one, two, three, four year olds,

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Speaker 2: I kind of divided my life into the first thirty years,

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Speaker 2: brave always from the very beginning. You know. It's very

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Speaker 2: The idea of resilience I find very interesting because you

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Speaker 2: I don't I'm not sure that resilience is something you

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Speaker 2: And like all resilient children, I was able to, like

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear you talk about your acts in

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Speaker 1: the way that you frame them, and this idea of resilience.

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Speaker 1: I love that you can see it into your childhood.

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Speaker 1: And I think what's been really interesting for me is

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Speaker 1: the shift into forty has been It has been a

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Speaker 1: shift into resiliency, I think because I really am finally

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Speaker 1: And that feels like a big, a big shift. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I love hearing that fifty is so fabulous. I

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wrote a book called Primetime about aging,

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Speaker 2: because you know, anything that frightens me, I try to

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Speaker 2: wrote a book called Women Coming of Age. I hadn't

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Speaker 2: I wrote a book called Primetime, which is really good.

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Speaker 2: And writing that book, I did some research and I

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Speaker 2: found out because I thought, you know, our historic view

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Speaker 2: then you decline into decrepitude, right, And my experience wasn't

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Speaker 2: been a really important longitudinal study of hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: of people, all races, men, women, divorce, married that showed

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Speaker 2: that over fifty in general, people tend to feel a

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Speaker 2: things from another person's point of view. They don't make

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Speaker 2: mountains out of molehills. I mean that is also assuming

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Speaker 2: relative good health, yes, which not everybody can assume. But

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Speaker 2: You know, life gets strangely easier assuming health.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I love that, And what an amazing perspective

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Speaker 1: I think, to be able to really look at not

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Speaker 1: only your own life and your resiliency, but to your point,

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Speaker 1: to understand where your privilege is, to understand, you know,

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Speaker 1: how to help spend it for others. You mentioned that,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you were young, things were complex. You

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Speaker 1: had a mother who struggled with mental illness. Your father was,

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Speaker 1: But as we know, being an actor means you have

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Speaker 3: Was was it natural for you to pursue a career

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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't want to be an actor because my dad,

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Speaker 2: you know, when he'd come home from work, he never

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Speaker 2: always trouble at work. I mean, so I never got

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Speaker 2: And he viewed me and he took me into his classes,

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Speaker 2: But it was just because I didn't know what else

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Speaker 2: I never assumed. Everything that's happened in my life is

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I'm proud about my life

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Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors, the proof is in the putting,

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Speaker 1: as they say, I mean, you've got oscars on the shelf,

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Speaker 1: you've got social movements, you've helped to lead. You have

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Speaker 1: this beautiful, accomplished career, and to your point, you're still working.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I just watched this interview that you

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Speaker 1: I and I love hearing you frame it that way

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Speaker 1: that you're going to go for it one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: and make it yours because my brain is going, well,

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Speaker 1: of course, everything I've ever seen you do, you've done

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Speaker 1: incredibly and I think it's why so many of us

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Speaker 1: are so enamored with you. And you know, I pinch myself,

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Speaker 1: like we meet up to talk about how we're going

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Speaker 2: Like, what again.

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Speaker 1: The kid in me who went to theater school and

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Speaker 2: What Like? This is wild?

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Speaker 1: It really is wild. And I have to just say

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Speaker 1: thank you for the way that you've welcomed so many

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Speaker 2: they spoke, but most of the time they were just

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Speaker 2: there to interview frontline voices, indigenous people, people you know,

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Speaker 2: who were the most hardest hit by the climate crisis,

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Speaker 2: people whose voices aren't heard, and that I was so

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Speaker 2: proud of that. And then COVID hit, so I had

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Speaker 2: to come home and we started doing fire Real Fridays

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Speaker 2: online for two years during the COVID pandemic, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we had nine million people in twenty twenty, ten million

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Speaker 2: people in twenty twenty one. It was pretty great, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of them were turned into activists. And we

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Speaker 2: did our last virtual fire Drill Friday inary this month January.

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Speaker 2: I was with Naomi Klein. She was there at the

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Speaker 2: beginning and was a nice full circle. And then as

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Speaker 2: part of in a way fire drill Fridays, I've been

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Speaker 2: working with Greenpeace on a documentary about what oil and

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Speaker 2: LNG fracked gas is doing in Texas and Louisiana people

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Speaker 2: to the climate, to the environment, and so we're working

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Speaker 2: on that and we're not doing any more virtual fire

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Speaker 2: real Fridays because we're we're we're still calling on the

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Speaker 2: people that became activists, but we're focusing so much on

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Speaker 2: the electoral Yes, at the end of the five years,

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Speaker 2: Annie Leonard and my team looked at each other and said,

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Speaker 2: you know, the problem is this is great, and we

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Speaker 2: need more and more people to become active, but there

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Speaker 2: are too many people in elected office, both in Washington

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Speaker 2: and in states up in well states who block good

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Speaker 2: legislation because they take money from the fossil fuel industry. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so we have to get rid of them. So we

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Speaker 2: started the Jane Fond of Climate pac to elect climate

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Speaker 2: champions and try to get rid of the oily Democrats

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Speaker 2: who the moderate Democrats who take fossil fuel money and

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Speaker 2: won't vote for good legislation. And this here we're focusing

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Speaker 2: on California because we have really we have ten wonderful

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Speaker 2: candidates here that we get into office. Yeah, it's taken

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Speaker 2: too long to make stuff happen here.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a minute after a few

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Speaker 1: words from our favorite sponsors. I think that's a really

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Speaker 1: important thing to point out for the folks listening. We

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Speaker 1: see so much debate and infighting in our political system,

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Speaker 1: and we do know that so many members perarticularly of

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Speaker 1: the right, you know, the GOP or bought and paid

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Speaker 1: for by big oil and fossil fuel industries. I think

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Speaker 1: it's incredibly important for people to know what you just

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Speaker 1: brought up, that there are also folks on the Democratic

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Speaker 1: side who because our political system is so broken, because

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Speaker 1: we did not defeat Citizens United, because these people have

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Speaker 1: to raise it's something crazy. It's like, you know, forty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week or something just to stay in office.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's wild how broken the system is.

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Speaker 1: And the broken system sort of you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: it ripples out into everything in our society. We see

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Speaker 1: the effects of who's making the decisions, who's paying for legislation,

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Speaker 1: and the climate is not something we have time to

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Speaker 1: debate about left versus right. Republican versus Democrat. We've got

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Speaker 1: to unite on this. There's no planet being, there's no

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Speaker 1: second option. If we warm past a point, everything changes.

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Speaker 1: Crops are devastated, food supply collapses, clean water is over.

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Speaker 1: And this will affect every single person, no matter what

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Speaker 1: you look like, how you vote, where you live. But

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Speaker 1: it will always affect communities of color, at risk communities

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Speaker 1: and women first and worst. And I think for us

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Speaker 1: to just agree that these facts are facts and that

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Speaker 1: we've got to do something about them is one of

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Speaker 1: the most pressing issues of our time. So for our

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Speaker 1: friends at home, you know, Jane and I agree, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're all nodding your heads while you're listening

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Speaker 1: to us that we are not exaggerating when we say

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Speaker 1: this really is the most important election of our time.

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Speaker 1: The elections have gotten more and more fraud and more

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Speaker 1: and more dangerous, and we are on this razor's edge

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Speaker 1: now of making sure women get to maintain their rights

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Speaker 1: to bodily autonomy and that all all of us get

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Speaker 1: to live on a planet that's actually inhabitable. So when

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Speaker 1: we talk about twenty twenty four and the incredible work

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Speaker 1: that you're doing, Jane, with the Jane Fond of Climate Pack.

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Speaker 1: I really hope everyone listening signs up to come with us.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of work ahead, and it is

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Speaker 1: a national issue and a global issue certainly, But for

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Speaker 1: our friends in California, Jane, I would love for you

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Speaker 1: to talk about what's happening with Senate Bill eleven thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: because what happens in California will set the tone for

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Speaker 1: what happens in the rest of the country in terms

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Speaker 1: of how we stand up against these big oil polluters.

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Speaker 1: And so if you live here, we need your voice

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Speaker 1: on this. And if you don't live here, we need

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Speaker 1: you to pay attention to this race because what happens

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Speaker 1: here will definitely come for you next. So that I

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Speaker 1: really want to dig into with you, because you hosted

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Speaker 1: an event recently and educated so many of us in

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Speaker 1: LA about this, and I just want everybody to know

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Speaker 1: what you're teaching us about.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sophia. There are two point seven million Californians

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Speaker 2: live next to an oil well. They suffer because of it,

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Speaker 2: their health, cancer, heart disease, lung disease, asthma, kids miss

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Speaker 2: months of school, and they've been fighting and many of

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Speaker 2: us with them to create setbacks, which means a law

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Speaker 2: that says no oil wells or fracking pits can come

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Speaker 2: within X distance from communities because right now they wake

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Speaker 2: up and look out the window and there's an oil

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Speaker 2: well right outside their bedroom or all around their playing

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Speaker 2: fields and so forth. And finally, Gavin Newsom two years

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Speaker 2: ago passed a bill, signed it, sent it Bill eleven

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Speaker 2: thirty seven that said they created a thirty two hundred

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Speaker 2: foot setback within which no oil wells could go, and

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Speaker 2: historic and a lot of celebrating, And the next week

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Speaker 2: the oil companies began to gather signatures to get a

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Speaker 2: ballot measure on this year that would overturn it or

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Speaker 2: prevent it from going into effect. And they spent forty

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Speaker 2: three million dollars gathering signatures for this. We're told we're

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Speaker 2: going to spend two hundred million dollars to win. We

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Speaker 2: don't know why exactly. I mean, can there be that

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Speaker 2: much oil still left in these communities? But maybe it's

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Speaker 2: just don't tell me what to do kind of a thing.

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Speaker 2: But at any rate, they're really fighting it. Maybe because

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Speaker 2: when we win, we have to win. It's going to

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Speaker 2: set a precedent that they don't like and so we

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Speaker 2: are working like hell, organizing the state in California, raising

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Speaker 2: money to defeat the oil companies who are lying to people.

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Speaker 2: They have wonderful slick ads saying that if if Senate

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Speaker 2: Bill eleven thirty seven passes, their gases are going to

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Speaker 2: go up, et cetera. It's not true. Oh that's not

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Speaker 2: how it works. So but we have to. We have

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Speaker 2: a person named Chris Layman who's running our campaign, who's

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Speaker 2: done twenty two referendum battles and won them all, so

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Speaker 2: you know we have that. And the campaign is going

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Speaker 2: to be announced in March with together Gavin Newsom and ARNL. Schwarzenegger,

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Speaker 2: which is really great.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And I'm doing an art auction in April right after

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Speaker 2: they announced the campaign to raise a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: It's on April ninth. But just be sure you all

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Speaker 2: who are watching to vote for maintaining or creating the

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Speaker 2: setback the thirty two hundred feet don't see the lies

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Speaker 2: that the oil companies are going to put out about

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Speaker 2: why that's a bad idea, because we can't keep doing

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Speaker 2: this to people. The bill not only prevents new oil

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Speaker 2: wells from coming close to communities, but it demands that

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Speaker 2: the oil companies clean up the wells that are already there,

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Speaker 2: make them less you know, leaking, more safe in terms

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Speaker 2: of the air and everything else. It's a big success.

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Speaker 2: I want to say something about you talked about the

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Speaker 2: political situation being broken. I've been very critical of Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: and I've been very angry with him. But what I've

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Speaker 2: been finding out recently is that there is so much

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Speaker 2: being done that's fabulous and very important that it's not sexy,

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Speaker 2: it's not front page news. It's little things that have

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Speaker 2: to happen in order for the transition to renewables to

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Speaker 2: go forward. Yes, and nobody knows about it, and it

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Speaker 2: just shows how critical it is that we reelect Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: And also, I mean example, I just spent three weeks

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Speaker 2: down in Texas and Xiana working on this documentary and

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Speaker 2: it's just it's like being in the belly of the beast.

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Speaker 2: It's worse than I can't even describe what it's doing

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Speaker 2: to the people and the environment there. And we were

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Speaker 2: going to have a big protest in DC in a

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Speaker 2: week and Friday. This last Friday, Joe Biden's administration announced

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Speaker 2: they were putting a pause on LNG exports. This is huge, huge,

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Speaker 2: it's huge. It throws into question the exporting of LNG,

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Speaker 2: which you know, which we never used to export this stuff.

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Speaker 2: It all happened started and when Obama lifted the export

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Speaker 2: ban in twenty fifteen, and it's it's just what it

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Speaker 2: shows is that Joe Biden can be pressured. You know,

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Speaker 2: he creates a context where you can pressure. Fascism offers

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Speaker 2: no context like that. There's no terrain in fascism where

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Speaker 2: you can be a righteous activist and do the right

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Speaker 2: thing and have an official agree with you. Finally, you know,

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Speaker 2: it just doesn't work that way. So voting for him

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Speaker 2: is not marrying him. A pragmatic decision, that's it, so

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Speaker 2: that you aren't dealing with fascism. And there's no protest

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Speaker 2: vote this year. We have no room for what happened

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Speaker 2: in two thousand, which now we have to hold our

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Speaker 2: nose and vote Democrat and all the way down the ballot.

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Speaker 1: And I think what's incredibly important to remind people of

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Speaker 1: is that because people will say, well, but I don't

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Speaker 1: agree on this issue or that issue. Everybody has a

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Speaker 1: fill in the blank where they say, this is not

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Speaker 1: the candidate of my dreams, and I get that, but

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Speaker 1: you don't get to root for a team that isn't

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Speaker 1: playing in the super Bowl to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Pragmatism is required for progress. And to your point, we

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Speaker 1: have a candidate who is a fascist, who wants to

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Speaker 1: roll back rights for everyone but rich white men and

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Speaker 1: literally sell off the country for parts and become a

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Speaker 1: dictator and has said all of this out loud. This

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Speaker 1: is not exaggeration. He's said, if I win, I'm never leaving,

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Speaker 1: so okay, dictatorship. Or you have somebody who is willing

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Speaker 1: to compromise sometimes with people we don't like, which upsets us.

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Speaker 1: But he's trying to get things done. He's made incredible

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Speaker 1: progress despite plenty of things we disagree with him on,

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Speaker 1: you know, including the Willow Project for US climate activists.

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Speaker 1: He's passed more legislation that is more comprehensive for more

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Speaker 1: people in America than any president in sixty years. The

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Speaker 1: Infrastructure Act has been one of the greatest revitalization projects

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Speaker 1: for the nation in history. And yeah, there's all sorts

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Speaker 1: of stuff we could all complain about. But to your point,

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Speaker 1: when we make noise and we tell this administration what

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Speaker 1: is important to us, they go and legislate on it.

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Speaker 1: They go and they listen to us, and they go

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Speaker 1: and do the work. And that to me is the difference.

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Speaker 1: You have to elect someone who is going to work

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Speaker 1: on your behalf, not harm for their own gain, and

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Speaker 1: then who will admit, when perhaps they haven't made something

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Speaker 1: a top five priority, that they realize their constituency wants

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Speaker 1: them to, and they go do it. That's the whole

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Speaker 1: point of having elected officials and representation in the first place.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's incredibly important, as you said, to

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Speaker 1: be pragmatic. And if we want to build this utopia

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Speaker 1: we believe is possible, we have to make the pragmatic

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Speaker 1: steps to get there. And if we want to have

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Speaker 1: an option where we can vote for a third party candidate,

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Speaker 1: well then we should make one of our causes passing

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Speaker 1: ranked choice voting nationally. But we can't pretend we have

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Speaker 1: these possible outcomes that don't exist unless we do the

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Speaker 1: work to create them. It's our job as voters to

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Speaker 1: go out and pressure and create progress. And so I

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Speaker 1: say we go do it, and I say we do

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Speaker 1: it this year on climate and on our rights as

648
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Speaker 1: women first and foremost, I love you, I love you, Jane.

649
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Were your parents' activists.

650
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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting. My parents, when I first

651
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: started really putting my neck out there, you know, publicly

652
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: for political projects, were so nervous. But then I started

653
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: to really think about, you know, where they come from.

654
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: And my dad moved here in the seventies from Canada

655
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: to go to art school, was very you know, anti war.

656
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: It took him until I was thirteen years old to

657
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: become an American citizen. So when people say like, oh,

658
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: do it the right way, I'm like, do you even

659
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: know what that means? Like I had to help my

660
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: dad study for his citizenship test when it was finally time.

661
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: My mom's family immigrated through Ellis Island from Italy. You know,

662
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: they had their own American dream story. My grandfather was

663
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Speaker 1: a navy man.

664
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of beauty.

665
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: Around the idea of what a country could be for people,

666
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, when we strive to be a more perfect union,

667
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: which I think is what us activists are working towards

668
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: always And they will say no, they weren't, but they

669
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: totally were. My mom was you know, incredibly independent and progressive,

670
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: and you know, my Dad's this artist, immigrant, like interesting

671
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: man who has always sort of seen through some of

672
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: the you know, insanity, particularly in our healthcare system. Because

673
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: Canada has great, you know, universal health care. We spend

674
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: the most on sickness of any nation in the world,

675
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: and we have the worst health outcome. So if we

676
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: had a better healthcare system, that would be great for

677
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: everyone and cheaper for the government. But I think now

678
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: in our sort of adult friendship that we have with

679
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: each other, they're in their seventies and you know, I'm

680
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: now in my early forties, they sort of see where

681
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: I get it, and they think I'm an anomaly. It's

682
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: a little it's a little both.

683
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 2: And oh but they support you. Oh yeah, absolutely.

684
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: I think they used to be scared, you know, to

685
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: your point, the pushback is scary for parents and for parents,

686
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, to read with the internet, you know, the

687
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: way the trolls are and the bots are, people are disgusting.

688
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: And I think they were nervous. But much like you,

689
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: the harder people push at me and tell me to

690
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: be quiet, the more I'm like, oh, watch this, and

691
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: I think eventually they just meant that's our kid, Like

692
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: that's who she's going to be.

693
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad was nervous too, probably like your parents.

694
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: He remembered the fifties and the witch hunts, yes, wealthy days,

695
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: and he was worried that that was going to destroy

696
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 2: my career. But you know, I whenever I would learn

697
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: something about Vietnam, like I had a young soldier. I

698
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: was at a military base in northern California and this

699
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: very young guy, he could almost not talk above a

700
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: whisper for trying to tell me that he had killed

701
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: a child, and you know, the stuff that I'd heard,

702
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: and I so I would go home and tell my dad.

703
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: I had no money, so I lived with my dad,

704
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: you know, after I left France, and I told him

705
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: about this, and he said to me, if you can

706
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: prove that that's that this is true? He didn't believe it.

707
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: He said they they wouldn't tell you if that was true.

708
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: And I said, if you can. He said, if you

709
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: can prove it, I will lead a march on Washington.

710
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: And so I brought some green berets to talk to

711
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: him and ours. But you know, my dad, it was

712
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: a generation. They it wasn't in my dad's genes to

713
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: lead marches or anything like that. But he he worried. However,

714
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: I was friends anyway. That's never mind too much, I

715
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: talked too much. No, I love it.

716
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: It's it's also I think it's really powerful too to

717
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: hear stories that, especially from someone like you. You know, you,

718
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: you are this woman in our world, Jane. You've inspired

719
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: so many of us. You're larger than life, and I

720
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: don't know, I find it really touching an eye opening

721
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: to hear about, you know, your dad just being worried

722
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: about his daughter. I think sometimes when you reach these

723
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: upper echelons of you know, industries, When when you are

724
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: an Academy award winner, when you are a you know,

725
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: a lifelong famous person who can call a president who

726
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, leads these marches and does these things, people

727
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: forget that you're also one human woman who has persevered

728
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: through fear to stand up for other people, who has

729
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: been willing to risk her privilege in order to weaponize

730
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: that privilege on the behalf of others. That's a big deal.

731
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: Privilege doesn't like to be given up. And I think

732
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: when you are willing to say, well, if I lose

733
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: it all, it was worth it for this, that that

734
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: kind of calling, much like resilience, what you were saying earlier.

735
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: Can't be taught. It comes from inside of you. It's

736
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: a fire that you know, maybe you know the source of,

737
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: and maybe you've just learned to let fuel yourself, but

738
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: it is, it is something that really knocks us over

739
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: when we look at it. And I don't know, I

740
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: find it. I find it so humanizing to be reminded

741
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: that your dad was like, kid, what are you doing?

742
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: Be careful, and you said, I'm going to do it anyway.

743
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful.

744
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: I was friends with Angela Davis, and when she was

745
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 2: put in prison here in California, I visited her. And

746
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: when I came back from that visit, my dad called

747
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: me into his office and he said to me, if

748
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: I find out that you are a communist, I'm going

749
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: to be the first person to turn you in. And

750
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: I just I remember running to my bedroom and pulling

751
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: the sheets over my head and crying and crying and crying.

752
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: You know, later I could look back and understand he

753
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: was worried he'd experience the Macarthy era when people were destroyed.

754
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: Yes, well, and people who are dangerous to power are

755
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: often persecuted. I mean, when you think back to Salem,

756
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: women who had these whisper networks, who you know, new medicine,

757
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: were persecuted for it. And when you think about that

758
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: terrible stain on American history, what McCarthyism did to so

759
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: many people, what it accused people of simply people who

760
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: were progressive, who were not enemies to the government, but

761
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: who wanted to see change. You know, it's not dissimilar

762
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: to what we see the former president of the United

763
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: States doing now, calling to jail and execute his detractors.

764
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: You know, this is very scary stuff, and when you

765
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: look at these cycles of history, it's terrifying to be

766
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: in the midst of it. And I imagine your dad

767
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: was very afraid. But I don't know what a cool

768
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: thing from this moment to be able to look back

769
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: at your legacy. You've been able to prove exactly the

770
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: kind of progressive that you are, exactly the kind of

771
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: American that you are. You're pushing us toward that more

772
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: perfect union where everyone is safe and everyone is represented.

773
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: And I.

774
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: Think the way you've been able to teach people that

775
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: that comes down to rights and equity, and the way

776
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: you've centered climate on that and really reminded us that

777
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: that is the ground zero for our existence. It's incredibly powerful.

778
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: I'd get such a kick out of it if your

779
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: dad could see you now, you know, yeah, you.

780
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: Know what makes me sad, maybe above all else, is

781
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: how human beings have become so alienated from nature. We

782
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: just we don't understand that we depend on nature for

783
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: our survival and how healing nature can be for us.

784
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: You know, if that weren't the case, there would be

785
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 2: no climate crisis, just like if there was no racism

786
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: or patriarchy, there'd be no climate crisis. It's part of

787
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: a mindset. It's like nesting dolls with the climates to

788
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: keep discovering all the other parts to it. Yes, it

789
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: happens when people, men in particular, have a hierarchical view

790
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: of everything. You know, certain things matter more than other things.

791
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: Nature is way down here, along with wool and dogs,

792
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: but you know, white men are up here. It's these

793
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: are the people who are This is the mindset that

794
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: looks at a beautiful forest thinks flooring.

795
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: Mmm mm hmm.

796
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: Everything is for something else that will make money transactional. Yes,

797
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: how we have to work hard to get back to

798
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: to renewing our relationship with nature. That's why listening to

799
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: indigenous peoples are so important.

800
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll be back in just a minute, but here's

801
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors. How have you learned from

802
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: indigenous communities? How did you begin to make inroads as

803
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: a as a witness in those spaces and to uplift

804
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: those voices and what have those relationships taught you?

805
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: Well, it taught me early on that you're showing up

806
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: is important, showing up respectfully. The very first thing I

807
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: did I leaving my family in France, and I had

808
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 2: made a trip to India because that's where people were going,

809
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: like the Beatles and mia Faro, to find truth. And

810
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: what I found was, I don't want to join a

811
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: nash Ram or smoke pot here. I want to join

812
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 2: the Peace Corps. I just I'm an activist. I came

813
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: home and there was a magazine called Ramparts, which was

814
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: a left wing, wonderful magazine doesn't exist anymore, with a

815
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: Native woman on the cover, her fist in the air

816
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 2: against a white wall that said better red than dead,

817
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: and the article was about why Indians had occupied Alcatraz.

818
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: They wanted to seize Alcatraz and turn it into a

819
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: cultural center, and it talked about the history of white

820
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: settlers trying to destroy a Native people. I really wasn't aware,

821
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say. I was already thirty one years old.

822
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: My father had been in all these westerns, but I

823
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: didn't really know the history. And I read it. It

824
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: was an article written because of the seizure of Alcatraz,

825
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: that was, but it gave the whole history. So I said,

826
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: what was I doing in India? I didn't, you know,

827
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: there's issues right here I have to deal with. And

828
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: so I went to Alcatraz during the occupation and I

829
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: met a lot of Native American people there. Then they

830
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 2: referred me to a fight that was going on in

831
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: Seattle for fishing rights, for the sale Shkutine the tribes

832
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: up there. That was the time I ever got arrested,

833
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: was seizing a fort there that they wanted to turn

834
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: into a cultural center and succeeded. But I just I

835
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: went from tribe to tribe to tribe to reservation reservent,

836
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: and I just met a lot of Native people and

837
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: talked to a lot of Native people. And at that time,

838
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: the American Indian movement was prominent, and they were not

839
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: they were not believers in holding on to the war

840
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: dances and the ceremonies and the dances and the prayers

841
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: so much, and there was a big split, do we

842
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: try to assimilate within the Indian movement or do we

843
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 2: maintain our culture and our past. And then years later,

844
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: being at Standing Rock and seeing how the ceremonies and

845
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: the sun dances and the prayers had helped so many

846
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: young people with addiction and alcoholism and so forth, that

847
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: they came all the way back to wanting to embrace

848
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: their traditions. And I just thought that that was very

849
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: important and very beautiful, because I've been part of that

850
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: whole transition and arguments so that I know enough Native

851
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: American people to know that there's a unique sense of

852
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: humor that I love. And it's just absolutely moving to

853
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: me how they've endured an attempted genocide on behalf of

854
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: the white, you know, being moved from land to land,

855
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: having their children kidnapped, put into Catholic schools, and so forth.

856
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: If I feel like if I was an Indigenous person here,

857
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: I'd want to have a machine gun, and instead, as

858
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: a people, they tend to want They're still trying to

859
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: teach us, still willing to step up and try to

860
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Speaker 2: teach us that there's another way of relating to nature

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Speaker 2: and another way of viewing things if we're open to listening.

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Speaker 2: And it's why, you know, with Firedroal Friday, there were

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Speaker 2: so many Indigenous voices, especially young Indigenous voices that I

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Speaker 2: had on and it was it was really beautiful. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the sometimes when I'm trying to learn, you know,

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Speaker 1: as you speak about you show up in community. When

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Speaker 1: people ask me, you know, how do you start, I say,

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Speaker 1: find the helpers, go to the people you want to

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Speaker 1: learn from, show up and shut up and learn from

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Speaker 1: them until you know enough to be able to speak up.

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Speaker 2: And one of the.

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Speaker 1: Things that really hap helps me when I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: learn about a populace or a community or a particular issue,

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Speaker 1: is I try to make sense of what affects me

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Speaker 1: so emotionally through statistics or math, because math I find

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Speaker 1: to be the only non emotional thing. And that stat

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Speaker 1: that indigenous peoples currently make up five percent of the

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Speaker 1: world's population but are responsible for the stewardship of eighty

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Speaker 1: five percent of the planet's biodiversity. The fact that any

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Speaker 1: of us are going, well, let's see what they know.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, they know everything. And to your point,

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Speaker 1: we must learn how to relate better to the planet

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Speaker 1: that we live on if we would like to remain

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Speaker 1: guests here because we are you know, the world. If

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Speaker 1: we break it and humans can't live here anymore, the

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Speaker 1: planet will recover.

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Speaker 2: We just won't.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that eventually we pay attention in the

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Speaker 1: way that you know you have been teaching us to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to the wisdom in these communities for so long,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: I love that you say you say to people, go

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Speaker 2: to the people who you want to learn from. Yes.

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Speaker 2: I like that you call for community because you want

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Speaker 2: to go fast, go alone, but you want to go far,

896
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Speaker 2: go together. And I love courage that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I think the most powerful thing I've learned

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Speaker 1: in the last you know, twenty years of being in

899
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Speaker 1: spaces like this is slow is fast because when you

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Speaker 1: move quickly, when you go alone, you make mistakes and

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Speaker 1: then you have to backtrack and start over and rebuild

902
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Speaker 1: and take that down because you did it wrong and

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Speaker 1: learn a new way to do it. And if you

904
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Speaker 1: move a little more slowly, and you move in community,

905
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Speaker 1: and you really assess and build correctly, you'll get there.

906
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Speaker 1: Faster in the end, and you'll get there with everyone

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Speaker 1: by your side. And that you know that that I

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Speaker 1: think changes a life. So Jane, what do you what

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Speaker 1: do you want us to do our our listeners, our groups.

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Speaker 1: As we get into twenty twenty four, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are nervous, a lot of people feel overwhelmed. That's

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Speaker 1: you know, by design, that's what fascism does. It makes

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Speaker 1: you tired. What what do you want listeners to know?

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Speaker 1: What's the one you know site you want people to

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Speaker 1: visit or the one thing you want people to sign

916
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: up for to prep in community for this big fight

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Speaker 1: we have ahead together this year.

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Speaker 2: One thing that you can do is join me on

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Speaker 2: my climate pack and you do that by texting Jane

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Speaker 2: to four oh five oh six.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to do it right now.

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Speaker 2: What people need to do is join an organization that

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Speaker 2: has a track record, preferably that has diversity in it.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to join an organization that's all white men.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but yeah, they haven't. They haven't proven a

926
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Speaker 2: great track record, have they. My favorite ex husband, Ed Turner,

927
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Speaker 2: always says, we've had our fants and we've set it up.

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Speaker 1: Now turn it over to women exactly. Will Ferrell just

929
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Speaker 1: said that recently too. I'm like, see, look they're waking up,

930
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Speaker 1: these these men. Leave it to us. We'll do it anyway.

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Speaker 2: Join an organization and take action to stop fossil fuels

932
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Speaker 2: and to push us in a direction toward alternative energy,

933
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Speaker 2: sustainable energy meaning wind and sun. And because this climate

934
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Speaker 2: crisis is real and we have to act fast and

935
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Speaker 2: we can make a big difference.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, and for our friends listening at home, we're going

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Speaker 1: to make sure to share some links and resources with

938
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Speaker 1: you in the show notes and also on our Instagram

939
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Speaker 1: stories this week, so we'll make everything easily shareable and

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Speaker 1: easy to follow. I really want to be respectful of

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Speaker 1: your time, Jane, even though what I really want to

942
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Speaker 1: do is just drive over to your house and sit

943
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Speaker 1: on your couch and talk to you for the rest

944
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Speaker 1: of the day.

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Speaker 2: I would love nothing more.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, I'm going to come over soon, but I

947
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Speaker 1: have for this interview.

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Speaker 2: I have one.

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Speaker 1: Final question for you. It's my favorite thing to ask

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Speaker 1: everyone who graces me with their time. I'm curious, in

951
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Speaker 1: this moment in your life, what feels like your work

952
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Speaker 1: in progress?

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Speaker 2: Oh, my relationship with my children. HM, that's I'm sure

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Speaker 2: sounds strange. But one of the things that I've learned

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Speaker 2: is that it never ends as a parent. It's never

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Speaker 2: too late. I was not such a good parent when

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Speaker 2: my children were younger. They are now very much adults.

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Speaker 2: They both have children, And you know, when you're my age,

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Speaker 2: you spend a lot of time thinking, when I'm on

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Speaker 2: my deathbed, what am I going to regret? And then

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Speaker 2: try to focus on that. And my main thing on

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Speaker 2: my deathbed is going to be do they know I

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Speaker 2: love them? And do they love me? And are they okay?

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Speaker 2: And so that's my thing besides the crisis, is trying

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Speaker 2: to be okay with my kids and my grandkids.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Do you ever feel like because your life

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Speaker 1: has had such big callings and you show up for

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Speaker 1: community and in such a big global way, it maybe

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Speaker 1: takes a little longer to get into the one on

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Speaker 1: one and the personal and when you're always getting called

971
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Speaker 1: and pulled in so many directions, you don't get to

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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time at home, much like you

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Speaker 1: talked about with your dad.

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Speaker 2: And I.

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Speaker 1: Think it's actually I'm processing what you're saying in real time,

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Speaker 1: So forgive that my question is becoming more of an observation.

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Speaker 1: But how beautiful that you also are in a state

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Speaker 1: where you get to come back inward more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, it's not even so much having the time,

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Speaker 2: it's when you do have the time, really being present,

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Speaker 2: you know, as opposed to I got to write that

982
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Speaker 2: letter to someone, or I got to go to that meeting,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And when you're when you're

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Speaker 2: my you know, my daughter was a tiny little baby

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Speaker 2: when I became an activist, and so you know, it's

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Speaker 2: not right to feel justified to not be showing up

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Speaker 2: because what you're doing is good. Bullshit. You've got to

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Speaker 2: find a way to do both. The chances are if

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Speaker 2: you do both, things will turn out better, the activism

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Speaker 2: and the child.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah, there's always the opportunity to recalibrate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all the wisdom I loved you, Please bring it.

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Speaker 2: I love talking to you. Jane, Thank yourself, Thank you,