1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Lake Travis, buck Sex and Choe. Appreciate 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us as we roll 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: into the third hour here and we are joined now 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: by doctor Badacharia who is at Stanford and he is 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: one of the individuals named in what I think is 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: perhaps the most consequential case to yet emerge anywhere in 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: the federal court system relating to COVID, that is the 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: Judge Dowdy decision that came down on July fourth. And 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: we appreciate you coming on, doctor Badicharia. You've been so 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: right about so much relating to COVID lockdowns masking everything, 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: and you've been brave to speak out as you have. 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: What was your reaction when you saw that opinion come 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: down on July fourth? How consequential do you think it is? 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: And do you see it going forward having a substantial 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: impact in terms of the marketplace of ideas and free 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: speech in this country. 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: I was absolutely delighted. 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 3: I think during the pandemic, I personally have experienced this 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: censorship machine used by the federal government, and it's not 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 3: just to silence people. Really, the purpose is to make 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 3: people think that even true facts that are in conveniity 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 3: the government are false, so that people speaking up against 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: it will be seen as like, you know, wrong or 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: spreading misinformation, when in fact they're not. And that's the 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: way they that the federal government did that is they 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 3: would go to social media companies. This is something we 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: discovered through this lawsuit and tell them these are the 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: people you need to censor, these are the ideas you 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: need to deem misinformation. And I think that it played 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: a tremendously bad role during the pandemic. It led to 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: many policies like the school closures, continuing long past the 32 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: time when scientific evidence said they were really bad idea. 33 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: And so we've heard a lot of kids and a 34 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: lot of people as a result of that. And so 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: when Judge Daddy's decision came down, I was I just exalted. 36 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: It's like the American experiment renewing itself as saying, look 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: the first and thatment really doesn't something. 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 4: Doctor J. Is there any sense in your mind that 39 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 4: the medical establishment as it is as it exists at say, 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 4: the CDC and ih NIAD, which are named in this lawsuit, 41 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: are they aware of what they did in terms of 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: being wrong as well as suppressing or are they living 43 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: in a totally delusional state. I mean, you may have 44 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 4: seen The New York Times, which I know is not 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 4: one of those organizations but represents a similar point of view. 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: Criticize the judge in this case for saying that vaccines 47 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 4: don't prevent transmission, as if holding that obviously true belief 48 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 4: is a problem. 49 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 3: They're still in denial, I'm afraid to say. And they're 50 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: still you know, giving themselves awards awarding This is like, 51 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: you know, distinguished professorships for having gotten anything wrong. I 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 3: don't think that the medical establishment as a whole, well 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 3: least certainly not the top leadership of it, or the 54 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: public health establishment, has fully under stood how wrong headed 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: the policies that had destructive, the policies that they pushed 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: during the pandemic actually were. And I'm really afraid that 57 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: this will happen again. If we have another pandemic, it 58 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: will happen again. 59 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: This is why free speech is so important. 60 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: We need to be able to push back against this 61 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: without this sort of thumb of the government, you know, 62 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: sort of suppressing suppressing free conversation, saying okay, this this 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: person is writing mispovation, even though they're saying true things. 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's shocking, but I'm hopeful that now 65 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: that we are starting to see some pushback from the 66 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: from the courts in this kind of government behavior, that 67 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: we can reverse that is right now, I don't think 68 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: we have yet reversed it within the leadership of the 69 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: medical aestablishment, of the public health establishment. 70 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Buck Can and I talk thank you for coming on 71 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: the show, doctor Bodicharia. I think it was the last year, 72 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: so not this twenty twenty three, but in twenty twenty 73 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: two the entire Stanford med School grew graduating class or 74 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: masks as a part of the graduation ceremony or photographs. 75 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: I know that you certainly have been attacked vociferously inside 76 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: of the Stanford community for the opinions. 77 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 4: That you have shared. 78 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: When you look around the medical establishment and you see 79 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: things that are being said that are scientifically not true. 80 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: For instance, men can get pregnant. Sometimes doctors get the 81 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: gender of a baby wrong at birth. You know, if 82 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: you stay in six feet from someone, you're not going 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: to get COVID and they are accepted. Now, how do 84 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: we get back to medicine actually supporting science and supporting 85 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: the scientific method, which requires a rigorous questioning of everything. 86 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: That's the entire purpose of science, as opposed to Fauci 87 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: saying basically, I am the science, and if you question 88 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: him on anything, you are somehow guilty of purveying misinformation. 89 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: So the funny thing is it's actually normal for the medical. 90 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: Established say false things. It's it's actually normal for scientists 91 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: to say false things. 92 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 3: Most of what we say that that's not like solidly already, 93 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: you know, like the Earth is round or whatever that 94 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: kind of thing. Most of what we say in science 95 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: is disputed because we're studying difficult, complex things. And many 96 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: times when scientists land on ridiculous nonsense, what happens is 97 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 3: they get corrected by other scientists. The difference now to 98 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: spend then between now and now and maybe you know 99 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: sometimes back during my career, is that if you say 100 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: that another scientist is wrong, and it's politically sort of 101 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: you're on the wrong side of things, you are the one. 102 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: That gets canceled. I think that the solution is free speech. 103 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: I think that if you have free speech or this 104 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: like this idea, that scientists can can say this is 105 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: not right without fear of their careers, without fear that 106 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: the government labeling there's misinformation specters or whatever, which you'll 107 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: get back is an honest scientific discussion with the back 108 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: and forth where learning happens. Instead, Now what we have 109 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: is essentially political science, not actual I mean just feel 110 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: of political science science a politicized science rather than a 111 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: on a scientific discussion. When nonsense happens in science, and it 112 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 3: happens all the time, people say crazy hypotheses, they're tested, 113 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: and then people most people reject them because of the 114 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: day to come up the other way. 115 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: That's what we need. 116 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 3: We need free speech restored within science and that will 117 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: be the solution to this. 118 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: I believe we're. 119 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 4: Speaking here to doctor j about Acharia of Stanford University 120 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: Medical School and doctor Boticharia. I would just wanted your 121 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 4: reaction to this story out today Harvard is Daily Mail. 122 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: Harvard and Yale scientists investigate new condition dubbed long that's 123 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 4: debilitating suite of symptoms linked to COVID shot that last 124 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: months and resemble long COVID but scientists stress it's very rare. 125 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: What what do you mean? Are are there people who 126 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: are willing to even look into this? Honestly? At this point? 127 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 4: Is this concerning to you? Do you feel it's is 128 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: it feasible that there could be additional complications even if 129 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 4: they are rare, assuming let's say they are rare that 130 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 4: we may find from the vaccine for COVID. 131 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: So I saw that paper. It was actually published in 132 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: a reputable journal. It's actually a really good sign that 133 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: reputable the journals are now open to publishing idea like this, 134 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: because I mean, I don't have an opinion. There was 135 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: actually a good idea to vaccinate older people and they'll 136 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one because the vaccine prevents people from 137 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: dying from COVID, and high risk of dying is among 138 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: old people. I don't think it was really wise to 139 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: recommend young people to get it at scale, But that's 140 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: open to scientific discussion, I think. But what happened during 141 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: the pandemic was you weren't allowed to say that there 142 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 3: were going to be side effects from the vaccine, even 143 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: documented side effects like the high rates of microditism among 144 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: young men. If you said it, you were you know, 145 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: you could potentially lose your career. I think now that 146 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: that we can start, if you can start to have 147 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: an honest science of obsession again, those kinds of side 148 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: effects people are going to find them. This is a 149 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: new technology. There's going to be some things we've learned 150 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: about it. I think normally what would have happened is 151 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: we would have we would have adjusted, We would have said, okay, 152 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: these these groups are not recommended to take it. These 153 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: groups are recommended to take it, talk with your. 154 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: Doctor about it. Instead. 155 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: Uh, we were forced to take it, you know, at 156 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: risk of losing many people of those risks of losing 157 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: their jobs. We were told that there were no side effects. 158 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: People who actually had vaccine side effects were gas lit. 159 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 3: What we have had going on was such a travesty 160 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: of public health and science. We took a technology that 161 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: could have just been used to save lives, and you 162 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: offered to the podlic with adequate you know, warnings and 163 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: and uh and and uh sort of caveats about what 164 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: we know and don't know, and people would have taken 165 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: it knowing with their eyes fully open or not. Instead 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: we had is this technology now many many people don't 167 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: distrust it, and they don't distrust they distrust other vaccines 168 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: as well. Public coff was thrown away all trust. 169 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Bodicharia. That comes to this question, are you 170 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: getting people to apologize to you now who might have 171 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: attacked you prior and in particular in the medical profession. 172 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: We had a friend who came and spoke out against 173 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: kids being forced to wear masks at a public hearing 174 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: where I go to my kids go to school. She 175 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: was reported to her medical board and had to defend 176 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: her ability to keep her medical license for saying what 177 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: is certainly true, which is masks on five and six 178 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: year olds were totally nonsensical. Are people coming to you 179 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: now and saying, hey, I'm sorry, or are you seeing 180 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: Most people in the medical profession just pretend that COVID 181 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: almost didn't happen, and they just want to turn the 182 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: page and forget everything that they were wrong about. 183 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: I'm seeing. I mean, I'm not. 184 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 3: I haven't gotten a ton of personal apologies. I have 185 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: seen a lot of people go silent, and a few 186 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: people implicitly say you know that that that that they 187 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: want they were wrong. I think I'm not so much 188 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: worried about like the rank and file. I think that's 189 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: the main thing to me is h is the leadership 190 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: that let us down this path in the medicine and 191 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: public health. They're the ones that are doubling down. They're 192 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: the ones that are pretending like they did everything right. 193 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: They're the ones that give themselves awards. And I don't 194 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: even care about the game of getting awards. The key 195 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 3: thing to me is that if we don't reject the 196 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: path we followed, these paths of lockdowns, the path of 197 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: school closures, the path of censorship, the path of forced 198 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: forced up, you know, mandates and whatnot, it'll happen again 199 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 3: because the leadership of the of the medical profession, leadership 200 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: of the of public health won't admit that it was wrong. 201 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: And uh that means that the next generation of the 202 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: leadership will do the same thing. 203 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: We have to explicitly reject it. 204 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: And I think it's going to unfortunately take some sort 205 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: of political uh, some sort of political uh uh, a 206 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 3: sort of a sort of change in our politics in 207 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: order to get it, because it turns it's, as we 208 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: learn during a pandemic, medicine, public health is very very 209 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: deeply political. 210 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 4: Doctor j Aboutachari with us. His sub stack is the 211 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 4: illusion of consensus illusionconsensus dot com to be a subscriber. 212 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: There just one more for you, doctor Batacharia. The for 213 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 4: for you in this lawsuit. What would you see? What 214 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 4: does justice look like, what does a just outcome in 215 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 4: your mind and and for you personally? Is there anything 216 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 4: you know? Do you want an official apology from the 217 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 4: Biden administration? Do you want money? What do you seek? 218 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: Well? 219 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: I don't want I don't want money. What I do 220 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: I wanted them to stop censoring. I want them to 221 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: stop using the muscle of the government to uh to 222 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: tell social media what to censor, who to censor. 223 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: I would I would like. 224 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: To have a free conversation restored. Actually, I'm kind of 225 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: full math front. Like the lawsuit apparently always already had 226 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: the effect of the State Department canceling its regular weekly 227 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 3: meetings with Facebook because they don't thee The judge basically 228 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: said they're not allowed to have that contact. If the 229 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: government just sort of obeys the order as written, I 230 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 3: think that's justice enough for me. What I've seen, though, 231 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: is the government is appealing this case already the Fifth Circuit. 232 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: I don't understand it. I don't understand how an American 233 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: government isn't committed to First Amendment. I don't understand how 234 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: American government can defend this kind of censorship activity on 235 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: the idea that somehow they're suppressing misinformation in fact, the 236 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: Biden administration has been a major source for misinformation they're 237 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: using they've been using this power to protect their own 238 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: miss up, protect criticism from others outside from the misinformation 239 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: that they themselves spread. So it's it's it's just shocking 240 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: to me that an American government do this, I mean, 241 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: the best form of justice to me with the Bible admistration. 242 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: Just just to stop doing it, stop using their power 243 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,239 Speaker 3: to censor, doctor. 244 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 4: Bodichar, I appreciate it, Thanks so much for being here 245 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 4: with us. Appreciates you. And we'll follow up on this 246 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 4: case as it moves along. 247 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: Thank you. 248 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 4: All right, man, we'll come into somewhere of your calls 249 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 4: here and also a lot Clay. We got inundated with 250 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 4: the IP emails in the last half hour, so so 251 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 4: we'll get to some of those. 252 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: Two. 253 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: Famed economist and best selling author Nomi Prince has a 254 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: warning that we should be paying attention to. She's on 255 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: record saying that a small group of financial elites are 256 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 4: plotting a drastic action unlike anything we've seen in more 257 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 4: than fifty years time. The White House, the World Economic Forum, 258 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 4: even Bill Gates are all involved. 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You 267 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 4: may not like what Doctor Prince has to say, but 268 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 4: you'll be prepared when events take a turn for the worse. 269 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: The website you want to start looking at again is 270 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: Disappearing dollar dot Com. Again. That's Disappearing Dollar dot Com. 271 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 4: Go there, now paid for by Rogue Economics. He's Buck Sexton, 272 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: He's Clay Travis. Together they're breathing sanity into an insane world. 273 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: Play's gonna take us into the first major victory against 274 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: wokeness in media sports media that they don't want to 275 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 4: talk about. We're going to dive into that together here 276 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 4: in a second. I you know, there's there's some topics 277 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: that people just all because we all have connection to it. 278 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 4: It's all in our day to day and tipping both 279 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 4: from the earning it and paying it side of the equation. 280 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 4: People have a lot of opinions on it. We've got 281 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 4: a bunch of VIP emails that have come in clay 282 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: Lori for example, Rights, I work for Dominoes in Louisville. 283 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 4: People don't understand that when we deliver, we get four 284 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 4: dollars an hour, and it seems the bigger the house, 285 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 4: the smaller the tip. We have companies order two hundred 286 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 4: dollars in food and not tip at all. It is 287 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 4: very discouraging. Well, that obviously is a bad thing to do, 288 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: and people should tip well well. 289 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also everybody should know the pizza tipping game. 290 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: By now, I understand we were talking about, Hey, you 291 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: go to get a coffee and they spin that thing around, 292 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: or you're going to pick up food and that there's 293 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: all these new I would say, uh add on tipping 294 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: attributes that have occurred lately, But everybody's ordered a pizza 295 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: at some point. You always tip for a pizza, like 296 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: if you if you're screwing that up, that's on you. 297 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure, dog Rights, guys, I've worked for tips, restaurants, bars, casinos, 298 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 4: you name it. My first rule, you're not entitled to 299 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 4: a tip, you have to earn it, iron it with courtesy, speed, accuracy, 300 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 4: and professionalism. I don't care how big the bill is. 301 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 4: Your tip is based on what you've done. With that said, 302 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: the government isn't entitled to any tips. A tip isn't pay, 303 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: it's gratitude for going above and beyond your job. Well, 304 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 4: unfortunately the IRS disagrees, although I agree with Doug here 305 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 4: that the tip should be something that you know is 306 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: left outside a government purview. But that doesn't happen. I 307 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: just said this claim. I do think there's also a 308 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: lot of people and I will I would put myself 309 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 4: in this category. I love tipping big for somebody who's 310 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: just doing a great job. And that doesn't mean anything crazy. 311 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 4: It just means somebody who is whatever you are doing, 312 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 4: delivering pizzas cashier at a store, anything, excellence is possible. 313 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 4: Excellence is possible, and how you approach the job, your 314 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 4: interactions with people, and people who make excellence out of 315 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 4: the most straightforward jobs. I think a lot of folks 316 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: like to reward them for that when they get the 317 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 4: opportunity with a big tip. 318 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: Not only that buck, you never know when you're going 319 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: to meet somebody who might have the opportunity to hire 320 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: you for a better job. And I would just encourage 321 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: everybody out there to keep that in mind. You just 322 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: never know. Excellence is so rare in so many different professions. 323 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: I've hired a lot, I've met people and thought, you 324 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: know what, I bet you'd be really good at doing 325 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: some of the things that we do in media, and 326 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: had contacts like that before. Your part by the way 327 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: of an incredibly responsive audience, one that supports companies creating 328 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: jobs and careers for Americans all over the place. 329 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 4: How about my Pillow. 330 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: This offer they've got right now two back, two hand towels, 331 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: two washcloths right now. You can get it on clearance 332 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: for twenty five bucks with the promo code Clay and Buck, 333 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: over seventy percent off in savings. You can go to 334 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: MyPillow dot com, click on the radio listeners special Square, 335 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: enter our names as the promo code Clay and Buck. 336 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: You can also call eight hundred seventy nine to two 337 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: thirty two sixty nine. 338 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 4: Indeed, Clay will be coming back here in just a moment. 339 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 4: We'll talk about the NBA situation, because you're telling me 340 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 4: that the ratings have gone way down, much more so 341 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 4: than anybody in the media, the sports media have been 342 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 4: willing to say for a while, and I'm just gonna 343 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 4: tell everybody. Also, we will get to the Eric Adams 344 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 4: photo in the pockets situation of a fallen officer from 345 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: over thirty years ago. The New York Times doing that story. 346 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: So that's all gonna come up here in just a moment. Also, 347 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 4: eight hundred two two eight a two. Please give us 348 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 4: a call anything from today's show, wide open for you 349 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 4: and Clay. 350 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: I think these numbers are going to stagger people when 351 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: they hear actually what is going on there and how 352 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: much the collapse has occurred. I'm telling you, it's pretty 353 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: extraordinari fuck off the top of the show a couple hours. 354 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody's been hanging out with us for this long. 355 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: I talked about a story that I popped up on OutKick, 356 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: and I would encourage you guys to go read this. 357 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: It's long form, it'll take a little bit of time, 358 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: but a lot of attention now coming down on bud 359 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: Light and the idea of this being the most successful 360 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: conservative boycott ever and certainly the amount of collapse in 361 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: bud Light sales has reflected that many people decided to 362 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: change their beer brand. I actually think though, the most 363 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: successful conservative boycott that actually predated bud Light was of 364 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: the NBA, the National Basketball Association. For those of you 365 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: out there that might not be big sports fans, the 366 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: NBA is by far the wokest sports league. And for 367 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: those of you out there who used to be NBA fans, 368 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: Americans buying large buck they like basketball. This past year, 369 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: LSU versus Iowa women's basketball game most watched women's college 370 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: basketball game ever. Almost ten million people watched the opening 371 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: rounds of the NCAA tournament for men set all time records. 372 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: Tons of people love basketball, but this is interesting, Buck. 373 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: The Super Bowl set an all time record. Never have 374 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: more people watched a football game in America than when 375 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: the Eagles and the Chiefs played in the Super Bowl 376 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: in February. Probably huge numbers of you watch that game. 377 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: The NBA Buck twenty five years ago peaked in its audience, 378 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: and since the NBA has gone woke, the NBA audience 379 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: has collapsed. In fact, I bet you won't hear this 380 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: anywhere else. Four of the last five years are the 381 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: lowest rated NBA finals of the last thirty years, people 382 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: have massively turned that tuned out. In fact, the twenty 383 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: twenty NBA Finals lost eighty percent of the audience that 384 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: watched Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls play against the 385 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: Utah Jazz. In fact, a documentary which some of you 386 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: may have watched on the nineteen ninety eight Chicago Bulls 387 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan had more viewers than the actual NBA 388 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: Finals with Lebron James. And so I would submit to you, Buck, 389 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: and all this data is out there, and I've collated 390 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: it all in this long form article. Sports media, because 391 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: they are so left leaning, has not wanted to acknowledge 392 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: that what Michael Jordan said years ago when he was 393 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: asked why he didn't get political, he said, Republicans by 394 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: sneakers two. And I would submit to you that Republicans 395 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: like basketball too. And the the NBA has gone so 396 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: woke that it is alienated basketball fans. And I think 397 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: that if the media in sports had actually covered this 398 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: story honestly, bud Light might not have made the choice 399 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: that it did, because they would have recognized that there 400 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: was a woke backlash if you embrace left wing politics 401 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: and alienate your core supporters. So I think it's interesting, Buck, 402 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: because even you, I sent you the link, even you, 403 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: who is not a diehard sports fan, you were a 404 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: fan of the NBA in the nineteen nineties. You enjoyed 405 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: watching it. That was when the NBA was at its apex. 406 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: Other sports have continued to grow. The NBA peaked twenty 407 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: five years ago and has actually tanked since. 408 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 4: I also think that the athletes, some of them having 409 00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 4: access to social media, specifically more specifically Twitter, now we 410 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 4: know what some of these athletes think, for example, about 411 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 4: police or about any number of political issues, and that 412 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 4: doesn't sit well with some people when they find out 413 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 4: that they or more I mean a common one as well, 414 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: would be a apparent disdain for America. People don't want 415 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 4: to support athletes that feel at least some people don't 416 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 4: want to support athletes who feel that way by watching them, 417 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 4: paying expensive ticket prices and all the rest of it. 418 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 4: So nothing with the NBA that you're telling me is 419 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 4: surprising at all in terms of what I would assume 420 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: would happen based on viewer behavior. But this is definitely 421 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 4: not a story that anyone has talked about. Because for 422 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 4: a while, you know when people are saying, go woke, 423 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 4: get broke, or get broken, get woke. Go you know 424 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 4: what I mean? 425 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: What is it? 426 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 4: Go oot, get broke? Yeah, go woke, get broke. Thank you. 427 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: People say that and then they said, well it's not 428 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 4: really true. Look at Colin Kaepernick. Okay, well not only 429 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 4: Bud Lighte, but look at the NBA. Now, maybe things 430 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: are changing a bit. 431 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's uh. I think it's consequential 432 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: for people out there who tuned out. Remember what happened 433 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. So eighty percent of the NBA Final 434 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: audience that watched Michael Jordan and the Bulls in nineteen 435 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: ninety eight was gone when Lebron played in the twenty 436 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: twenty finals with the Lakers, and the players removed the 437 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: names on the back of their jerseys. This is crazy. 438 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: I can't even believe it happened. Instead of their name, 439 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: it said black Lives Matter, say their names respect us. 440 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: They could pick some of these, how many more? I 441 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 1: can't breathe enough. Say her name, vote Justice. I am 442 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: a man liberation. And they had black Lives Matter emblazoned 443 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: on the basketball court and Buck you may remember this. 444 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 4: I don't even know if you recall. 445 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: It, they refuse to play playoff games after Jacob Bla 446 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: was shot in Wisconsin when the police had been called 447 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: to protect the woman that he was trying to go 448 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: confront and he was armed with a knife, and there 449 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: were no charges ever brought in that case because the 450 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: police shooting was justified. WNBA players buck actually wore t 451 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: shirts with Jacob Blake's name on them to stand up 452 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: in support of a man who was abusing a black woman, 453 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: and the WNBA is overwhelmingly made up of black women. 454 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: They don't want this story to get out because they 455 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: don't want to acknowledge the power of many of you 456 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: to make choices in the way that you choose to 457 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: spend your time and how consequential those choices can be. 458 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: They are trying the media that won't tell you this story. Look, 459 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: go read it. I just lay out all of the 460 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: data here. The media doesn't want this story to be 461 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: out there in the world of sports because they like 462 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: left wing politics. They are left wing and they don't 463 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: want to acknowledge so many of you out there that 464 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 1: are listening to us right now, you have a power, 465 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: and it's significant you choose how you spend your time. 466 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: You choose how you spend your money. And Buck, one 467 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: of the conversations that happens on this is people say, oh, well, 468 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: the bud light is cancel culture. 469 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 4: No it's not. It's the marketplace. 470 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: If somebody if we said, hey, bud light should not 471 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: be allowed to ever be made anymore, that would be 472 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: cancel culture. 473 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: Right. 474 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: Telling you, hey, spend your money on companies and on 475 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: products that respect you and your values is the very 476 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: essence of how the marketplace should work. And I would 477 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: submit to you the marketplace worked. And let me give 478 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: you this last little factoid here that is in this article. Buck, 479 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: you know the most watched NBA All Star Game of 480 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: all time? I bet you watched it Salt Lake City. 481 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: I believe it was nineteen ninety three. Twenty two million 482 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: people watched it. Salt Lake City number one in that marketplace. 483 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: We appreciate all you listening out here. Hosted the NBA 484 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: All Star Game this past year. A little over four 485 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: million people watched it. Eighty percent of the audience vanished. 486 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: But Buck, this is significant. It didn't get a lot 487 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: of attention. Remember when the NBA pulled the All Star 488 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: Game out of Charlotte because of the transgender bathroom bill, 489 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: and they relocated it. Adam Silver specifically said we're not 490 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: in the business of trying to change laws now when 491 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: he was asked why they were playing the All Star 492 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: Game in Salt Lake City despite the fact that the 493 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: state of Utah has said you have to play sports 494 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: in high school against the gender on your birth certificate, 495 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: and we're not going to allow kids under eighteen to 496 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: have gender reassignment surgeries. The NBA is trying to do 497 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: what bud Light did, or as bud Light is doing. 498 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: They're not apologizing for getting everything wrong, but they're changing 499 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: their behavior because of what all of you out there 500 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: have done to stand up to the choices that they made. 501 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 4: You telling me that Buck and people like me have 502 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: gotten results. Yes, I think this is consequential. I do 503 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 4: think that many of you out there have had an 504 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 4: impact that the world of sports will not acknowledge. And 505 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 4: sometimes you have to look at the behavior and recognize 506 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 4: that they're changing because the NBA doesn't want to admit 507 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 4: this and their allies in the media don't want to 508 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 4: admit this. You won, just like you're winning with bud Light. 509 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 4: If you spend your money with brands that value you 510 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 4: and your values. You are changing the way that American 511 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 4: companies run their commerce in a good way. You know 512 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 4: who probably isn't going to win. Whoever left their cocaine 513 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 4: in the West wing of the White House. We have 514 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 4: an update on that. 515 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: That is an elevant transition where it was found where? 516 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 4: And this tells us more about who who might have 517 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 4: left it there. The plot thickens, We'll get to it. 518 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 4: You know, hot and humid summer days can drain your energy. 519 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 4: I mean, how do you stay ahead of that? 520 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: Well? 521 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 4: Rely on Chalk's Male Vitality Stack. This is a specially 522 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 4: created nutritional supplement formulated with only all natural ingredients. 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But we have an important update courtesy of 541 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 4: MSNBC on the Who Done It of the cocaine in 542 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 4: the baggie in the White House. Here is twenty one 543 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 4: Andrew Mitchell and Kelly o'donald talking about where this little 544 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 4: baggie of the Schedule one prohibited drug was found. 545 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 5: Play it the Big changes where this was found. I 546 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 5: was found, by my observation, in a much more secure place, 547 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 5: limited access place than that West Wing reception. 548 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: Eric. 549 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 5: It's down near the situation room right off West Executive 550 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 5: down below, and normal people, just average people who just 551 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 5: can't get in there. 552 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 6: There are in fact two West Wing entrances. You know that, 553 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 6: I know that for the benefit of our audience. And 554 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 6: now the investigation has progressed, and so they're saying the 555 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 6: West Executive Entrance, which, as you noted, is closer to 556 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 6: the Situation Room and closer to the Navy mess where 557 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 6: there's the facilities for food and so forth. It is 558 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 6: also next to West Executive Drive that's where, for example, 559 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 6: the Vice President's vehicle is parked. 560 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 4: Muck this all right, Okay. 561 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: At the open of the show, we were like, ah, 562 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: this doesn't feel it. You can't get there. You've been in, 563 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: You've been in the West Wing. We're fortunate to have 564 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: been able to go and visit the Oval office and 565 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: be able to walk through many of the different rooms 566 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: of the West Wing. The area that they are describing 567 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: is not an area where anyone could just have access to. 568 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: And it also gets a little bit scarier in the 569 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: context of Hey, if there was, for instance, anthrax near 570 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: the Situation Room, if this hadn't been cocaine, that's a 571 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: real serious national security threat to not have access potentially 572 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: to the room that everybody needs to go into when 573 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: real stuff is going down. 574 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 4: So I just I mean the number of people. 575 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: That would have access to this area is becoming increasingly slim, right, yes, yeah. 576 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 4: And a lot of these people could be consequential. Yes, well, 577 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 4: that's what I said about when you asked, does anyone 578 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 4: care about someone's cocaine use if it's on their own time, 579 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 4: not at work, if they have a security clearance, I mean, 580 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 4: if they have a level of responsibility that involves national security. Yeah, 581 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 4: I think it does matter. Actually, that's when it works. 582 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: When I was talking about that, I was under the 583 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: impression this is a twenty five year old low level 584 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: staffer who is partying to get ready for July fourth, 585 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: And now I'm saying, is chief of staff of the president. Yeah, 586 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: if you have you know, if you have access to 587 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: top secret and you're somebody that's that's in a position 588 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: of right, there's being a uh, you know, somebody who 589 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: fetches coffee in the government, and there's somebody who's in 590 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: a position of real trust in the government. If you're 591 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: in a position of real trust, which seems to be 592 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: the case, if you're right next to the situation room, 593 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: although we don't know, then I think that that kind 594 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: of legal drug use is something of you know, put 595 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: aside the morality or the ethics of using the drugs 596 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: in the first place. It's a public concern, then it's 597 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: something that it's it's it's a real issue, right, so. 598 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 4: We shall see. I I'm starting to think that, well, no, 599 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 4: they could find out who this is. What I will say, 600 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 4: they could definitely find out who this is if they 601 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 4: wanted to. Do they actually want to find out who 602 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 4: it is? I think the answer this is where you 603 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 4: get the Secret Service agents. They sit down, they say, oh, 604 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 4: you know the supervisor agent who's in touch with the 605 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 4: White House, you know, senior leadership chief of staff. Hey, 606 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 4: we don't want to make you know, people have their 607 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 4: rights here. We don't want to get too crazy and 608 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 4: give them the impression that you don't really want to 609 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 4: find out who this is. Do you think they really 610 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 4: want to know who it is? I think it depends 611 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 4: on who it is. 612 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: I think if it's somebody, that doesn't matter, and they 613 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: can just throw them to the wolves and be like, oh, 614 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: we were so disgusted that you know, twenty six year 615 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: old whoever it is, who was the basically the coffee 616 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: getter for somebody tried to bring in that snuck this 617 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: in versus if it's somebody in a position of power. 618 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so reckless buck to bring cocaine to 619 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: a highly secure area of the White House that when 620 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: we started this discussion, I said that whoever was engaging 621 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: in this behavior, it's an incredibly entitled behavior. It also 622 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: is suggestive of someone who might have a real drug 623 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: problem as a to somebody who is using drugs, you know, 624 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: sort of recreationally because it's July fourth weekend and they're 625 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: going out somewhere on the Potomac and it's going to 626 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: be a party. This Uh, this is a story I 627 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: think that also crystallizes for a lot of people the 628 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: incompetence of the Biden administration. And so it seems also 629 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: like a question that the media is going to be 630 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: captivated by because there's a who done it aspect to it. 631 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 4: I I I. 632 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 1: Mean, we still come out to Dobbs figure out where 633 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: the cocaine came from. 634 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 4: I think that's gonna be a hard sell. We still 635 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 4: don't know who leaved the Dobs correct the Dobbs decision, 636 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 4: and that's a small pool of people and they really 637 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 4: just decided, well, we're gonna look into it, but we're 638 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 4: not gonna look that hard. And that's how the bureaucratic 639 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 4: slow roll works. I'm sure Secret Service is looking into this. 640 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 4: Are they going to pull fingerprints? Are they gonna do 641 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 4: fingerprint matches? Are they willing to go to those lengths? 642 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 4: It's so easy you can just see it say oh, oh, well, 643 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 4: you know, we don't want to devote to any resources 644 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 4: to this, et cetera, et cetera. They just slow roll 645 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 4: it until it goes away. And I could really see 646 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 4: that happening here. So, although the media does, they're more 647 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 4: interested in this than I would have anticipated they would be. 648 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 4: And like I said, I think it's because at first it's, 649 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, the Biden white House would never abide 650 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 4: something like this. Well, let's see who in the Biden 651 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 4: white House was abiding it. I also think it's the 652 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 4: who done it. 653 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: Aspect Buck, there is a storyline here, a narrative of Okay, 654 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: we know that this was a crime, we know that 655 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: there was now cocaine found. Frankly, Buck, I'm surprised that 656 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: they ever admitted that they found cocaine. I would think 657 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: this would be something that they would cover up and 658 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: handle internally. I think maybe it was because they had 659 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: to vacate the entire premises because they were concerned that 660 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: it might be that it might be anthrax, And so 661 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: then it's like a terror attack on the White House, 662 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: and then it comes out, oh, maybe it was just coke. 663 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 4: Clee Travis, and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.