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Speaker 2: be recapping the unbelievably good first episode. Guys. I we
Speaker 2: were surprised because we had those expectations for season one,
Speaker 2: and we were obviously very pleasantly surprised. This is our
Speaker 2: high quality television program. This is answering a lot of
Speaker 2: the questions you might have had about certain character dynamics.
Speaker 2: It's also bringing up the action, the cinematography, the lighting.
Speaker 2: This looks like prestige television, so we will be doing that.
Speaker 2: Then we're going to bring in Aaron because we've all
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Speaker 1: But first, okay, Dear Devil Born Again, Season two, Episode
Speaker 1: one by Old Bank with the BAB Report talking of
Speaker 1: the people on the street about New York City in
Speaker 1: the Fisk Fixed It era, and everything's going great. I
Speaker 1: have the Here's one thing that you have to say
Speaker 1: about Wilson Fisk. His program is popular with the people
Speaker 1: on the street, or at least the people many of
Speaker 1: the people that the BB Report runs into.
Speaker 2: Yes, and who interestingly are predominantly people of color. It's
Speaker 2: very curated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot. I think there's you know, we
Speaker 1: can unpack this later. But it's notable. It's not like Wilson.
Speaker 1: It's not like Wilson. Fisk has no constituency.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: That night, a cargo vessel sails under the Brooklyn Bridge.
Speaker 1: It is the Northern Star, a nod perhaps to the
Speaker 1: Lemurian Star from Captain Winter. Thinks, so I like that
Speaker 1: cat and this very Captain America Winter Soldier style open
Speaker 1: in which Dary Devil mounts the ship listens to the
Speaker 1: conversation taking place on the vessel. He goes in. He's
Speaker 1: taking out. There's bad guys with guns all over the ship,
Speaker 1: and he is kicking the shit out of them and
Speaker 1: snapping their bones.
Speaker 2: If you were worried, you don't be getting the Dead
Speaker 2: Devil violence. You're getting it. You're getting it. It's much
Speaker 2: less than last season. He's snapping people's arms. People are
Speaker 2: getting shot in the face into the camera like you're dumb.
Speaker 2: Not by not obviously, but you don't see some stuff.
Speaker 1: In the pilot house of the ship, the captain and
Speaker 1: his first officer realized that they've been boarded. They've got
Speaker 1: security cameras down there in the hold, and they know
Speaker 1: that to expect Daredevil. They've been warned about this, and
Speaker 1: they do what they've been told to do when they've
Speaker 1: been borded by Daredevil, which is sink the ship and
Speaker 1: get off of it and.
Speaker 2: Put this I think put distress signalan to kind of
Speaker 2: distract him. It seemed like that was part of the plan.
Speaker 2: But then he managed to find a watch. I was
Speaker 2: very interested. I want to see what they're doing with
Speaker 2: his hearing non hearing powers, and they seem to be
Speaker 2: playing into a bit. But Fisk still doesn't know how
Speaker 2: to beat him.
Speaker 1: So Daredevil, you know, is down in the hole. He
Speaker 1: opens some of the cargo crates and there's just guns, guns, guns,
Speaker 1: lots of guns. Fisk is arming clearly, but then he
Speaker 1: realized the ship is going down, and Daredevil basically goes
Speaker 1: down with the ship. It manages to swim away and
Speaker 1: comes ashore and behind him the ship is like listing
Speaker 1: and partially sinking, like the Titanic is give me a ganic.
Speaker 2: It's a crazy shot. I live by the port, so
Speaker 2: like the scope of this is crazy, the scale of it,
Speaker 2: and this is Matt making a huge like fuck you
Speaker 2: to Wilson Fisk. It's like the ultimate, like, look what
Speaker 2: you can't hide.
Speaker 1: We're gonna discover just the kind of scope of Matt's
Speaker 1: almost one man campaign because he's got some help, and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that out a bit, almost one man
Speaker 1: campaign against Fisk. So Matt, you know, drenched in disgusting
Speaker 1: East River water, goes to his hideout and it's like through,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like through a building and up the
Speaker 1: stairs and down stairs, through a hole in the wall
Speaker 1: into another building. And who is there working out on
Speaker 1: the martial arts dummy. It's Karen Page. He goes over
Speaker 1: and he gives her the update on the arm shipment
Speaker 1: that just went to the bottom of the East River.
Speaker 1: What does Fisk need all this hardware for? He wonders,
Speaker 1: And then there foot and then it's very clear that
Speaker 1: they are fucking no.
Speaker 2: The best line this I literally note at this line
Speaker 2: where I was like, he goes, she's like, need any stitches.
Speaker 2: He's like no, and she goes any like breaks, and
Speaker 2: he's like no, and she goes, oh, I guess it
Speaker 2: was a pretty good night then and he goes, could
Speaker 2: be bad. Okay, Well get it, Matt madog, you are
Speaker 2: on a one man mission to take that. Willson Fisk like,
Speaker 2: do you still have time to be fucking? This man
Speaker 2: always has time, Like we are gonna talk about he
Speaker 2: gets no matter what world ending, he's fucking.
Speaker 1: Listen, Karen could have in the in the years that
Speaker 1: they were not together, Karen could have found someone else
Speaker 1: she was she never did. It almost happened, but let's
Speaker 1: face it, these two want to be together. Matt wants
Speaker 1: to be with a lot of people, but he you know,
Speaker 1: Karen is in that group, and it was nice to
Speaker 1: see them back together.
Speaker 2: No, it was this is a big moment for comic
Speaker 2: book people. Karen, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: The classic couple, Yes, I got and Aaron over Matt, Electra,
Speaker 1: you know, Matt, any of the other ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I like this. It's the o G
Speaker 2: vibes and now I'm not gonna lie. We were very
Speaker 2: happy that Karen did not get you know, Frank Miller
Speaker 2: born again, Mats Kelly of course innocent as always because
Speaker 2: we were like, yeah, but I'm not gonna lie. This scene,
Speaker 2: she has some like heavy black eyeliner. We notice that
Speaker 2: she's wearing a lot of wigs, she's going through it.
Speaker 2: Matt is stressing her out. So I'm just saying, as
Speaker 2: much as I want things to be great for Matt
Speaker 2: and Karen, I do fear that it may not go
Speaker 2: well for her. That well, that's the fear of being
Speaker 2: a superhero, must it is?
Speaker 1: You know, It's like when you go home from break
Speaker 1: at UNI and you rekindle something for a day with
Speaker 1: an X, only it's like they're under living, underground, and
Speaker 1: you know, you just get the feeling that this can't last,
Speaker 1: but it's wonderful while it's going.
Speaker 2: It's so warmly shocked to like make it feel romantic.
Speaker 2: And I will say this is you know.
Speaker 1: That place smells. It's just like it stinks. It's sweat
Speaker 1: and sex and and like unwashed hats.
Speaker 2: Water. Yeah yeah, is there a shower? I doubt it.
Speaker 2: That's the fucking thirty six chambers like all day, just like,
Speaker 2: come on, guys, im But I do love Also, I
Speaker 2: feel like you can see that they value this relationship
Speaker 2: and this rekindling because a lot of these shows, especially
Speaker 2: when it comes to Dad Evil, they'll open with a
Speaker 2: love scene or like Matt fucking someone or whatever. They
Speaker 2: don't go there with this one, they just let you know,
Speaker 2: they kiss and then you get back to the violence.
Speaker 2: They're like, this is the precious, sacred relationship.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting, but I love it. I love this
Speaker 2: this casting, and I think these two are going to
Speaker 2: be very interesting. As this series continues.
Speaker 1: Fisk gets the news that his Northern Starship has partially
Speaker 1: sunk and the wreckage is currently clogging up the East River,
Speaker 1: meaning none of the other shipping coming to the ports
Speaker 1: down there that Fisk controls are able to get through.
Speaker 1: He immediately declared terror by the terror Stir Devil, and
Speaker 1: Daniel says, you got it, boss, I'm gonna put out
Speaker 1: the press release, Fisk orders Powell, who is now basically
Speaker 1: running the anti Vigilante task Force. I guess it is like,
Speaker 1: oh Man, not looking good for that, Like it's a
Speaker 1: bad choice and leadership, guys, bad choice. The Gregory Boveto of.
Speaker 2: Gus Let's let's get let's get slid on this too.
Speaker 2: Like ever thought that Disney would be made in a
Speaker 2: year where they made a show that is just as
Speaker 2: radical as anel completely accidentally, I would guess, or at
Speaker 2: least well Frescian I.
Speaker 1: Will say we talked here's the thing, so we talked
Speaker 1: about it last season that you could tell they wanted
Speaker 1: to ramp it up and they wanted to go in
Speaker 1: a specific kind of authoritarian direction with Fisk, but that
Speaker 1: the world got so crazy around the show that it
Speaker 1: that it seemed to throw the show off in a
Speaker 1: weird way. It's hard to put your finger on. And
Speaker 1: it really feels like they recalibrated and were like, let's
Speaker 1: pull this ship straight from the headline.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, we talked about this in pre
Speaker 1: in pre production, before we turned the knife. This is
Speaker 1: not how the show has been marketed. No, I think
Speaker 1: that's smart, and it'll be our little secret. Guys.
Speaker 2: Guys, don't let don't let him know, because it's a
Speaker 2: fun superhero show. No political realities. There's realities to your
Speaker 2: eyes are open and your living the United States. You
Speaker 2: may seem so you may feel like when we come
Speaker 2: here to or yeah, yeah, when we come here, we
Speaker 2: will let's we can talk freely about it. Yeah, but otherwise,
Speaker 2: just keep you guys.
Speaker 1: It's a fun superhero show.
Speaker 2: Come that analysis.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Fisk orders Powell. The Gregory Bavino of The
Speaker 1: inevigilaty Task Force.
Speaker 2: Dog, I want you off.
Speaker 1: I turn of a current page, and then he orders
Speaker 1: Buck to go find the captain and the first mate
Speaker 1: who abandoned ship. Uh oh, because these are only the
Speaker 1: only living witnesses to the you know, the cargo scheme
Speaker 1: and the only people who might know what Fisk is
Speaker 1: up to, because all the guys that dared Devil beat
Speaker 1: up were too concussed to get off the ship.
Speaker 2: As yeah they were, they died. They died, as he's well,
Speaker 2: only ones who didn't know it was a weapons thing too.
Speaker 2: But you know, if that part of the anti vigilanti
Speaker 2: toss for they suck. I Also another thing that immediately
Speaker 2: struck me here was like Wilson Fisk immediately starts spinning
Speaker 2: and he's like, this is a terrorist attack. He's like,
Speaker 2: this is a terrorist attack by the targeted vigilante uh
Speaker 2: dad devil blah, And like, guys, read the news because
Speaker 2: we're here. Read about the Prairie Land defendants. Read about
Speaker 2: the people who were just imprisoned for making znes for
Speaker 2: wearing black. Read reading about.
Speaker 1: Any of the murdered people in the street who were
Speaker 1: immediately labeled as as terrorist instigators. And so it's very
Speaker 1: clear that Daredevil creators like we're.
Speaker 2: Watching, they were watching. But anyway, obviously his team believes it,
Speaker 2: and they go, yeah, yeah, we go to get him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they love Listen. Wilson Fisk has completely bent the
Speaker 1: the mechanisms of the city to his will. At this point.
Speaker 1: Elsewhere in Washington, d C, new character Alert Matthew Lillard
Speaker 1: as a mysterious mister Charles, some sort of high fluting
Speaker 1: intelligence operative who liaises between like intelligence, DC politics and
Speaker 1: wherever he needs to go. He's some kind of high
Speaker 1: powered fixer. He gets call about this chip sinking, and
Speaker 1: so he's immediately headed to.
Speaker 2: De and he is like, I'm gonna myself, bitch, and
Speaker 2: I love Matthew Lellard. Look, I'm not gonna lie, guys.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows. I'm very disappointed about Screep seven, but that's okay,
Speaker 2: going to be disappeared to ignorance. I still love him,
Speaker 2: but I think he's a good guy. I appreciate that
Speaker 2: he spoke out for Melissa and her right to speak out,
Speaker 2: and he is so fucking good in this role. Okay,
Speaker 2: So this is this is a classic mcu type Paul
Speaker 2: because it's just a name from one issue of like
Speaker 2: a Thin Fang Doom arc during Iron Man. I know
Speaker 2: how good is that? I'm like, I wish I came
Speaker 2: up with that with it's William Ham's and actually Tom Grummitt,
Speaker 2: who has come up with a lot of stuff. Just
Speaker 2: one guy who was in but he was he was
Speaker 2: in charge of illegal oil drills for rocks on right,
Speaker 2: So it's similar in that vibe. But obviously this is
Speaker 2: essentially a new character. They just love to pull like
Speaker 2: a random name. But yeah, it's great, very interesting, and
Speaker 2: immediately I was like, okay, so he is a politician
Speaker 2: or something, but then we don't learn We don't really
Speaker 2: learn more until later in the episode.
Speaker 1: That's right. So the BB Report covers the Northern Star sinking,
Speaker 1: and again it's clear that throughout the five boroughs, the
Speaker 1: people that the BB Report is interviewing, there's significant support
Speaker 1: for Fisk's spin on the Northern Star that this was
Speaker 1: a terrorist attack. Probably Daredevil and Fiscal figure.
Speaker 2: It arrest all the superheroes, do whatever you need to
Speaker 2: look them up, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Karen and Matt are talking about it. Karen is getting
Speaker 1: really frustrated. They can never get anything to stick to Fisk.
Speaker 1: Matt loves the justice system despite being a vigilante. Of course,
Speaker 1: He's like, we just gotta get enough evidence. We just
Speaker 1: gotta get enough evidence, and it'll finally stick to the
Speaker 1: mayor and he will be held accountable. Karen from her
Speaker 1: mysterious investigator source named jess Oh, clearly Jessica Jones, who
Speaker 1: does not have you know, but I love the way
Speaker 1: we introduce her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, very good stuff, gets the.
Speaker 1: Name of the captain and first mate. They are both
Speaker 1: basically Greek cypriots, and they kind of get a general
Speaker 1: address to start looking at. Let's take a break and
Speaker 1: we'll be right back to talk more Dary Double season two,
Speaker 1: episode one, and we're back. Okay. So Fisk is taking
Speaker 1: meetings in his office and he's just he's fucking pissed's
Speaker 1: getting more and more fucking heated. The Attorney General comes in,
Speaker 1: and the Attorney General is like, hey, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, big boy. Okay, these emergency powers you're giving
Speaker 1: yourself back, and the way that you're calling everything that happens,
Speaker 1: like a guy literally on the street a terrorist attack,
Speaker 1: we don't like it. Okay. And the mandatory life sentences
Speaker 1: from mask vigilantes. We don't like it, okay, Me and
Speaker 1: the governor are concerned, and we're going to look into it. Okay.
Speaker 1: And now you got this sunk chip. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: better watch your step, big boy, because we're gonna be
Speaker 1: on your ass. But then mister Charles barges it. He
Speaker 1: just comes in.
Speaker 2: Acting like like a hobo too, like he's just like
Speaker 2: eating up talking about it. He is heroking, he's like
Speaker 2: eating He is like.
Speaker 1: A deep character.
Speaker 2: Yes he's like Timothy, Yes, Timothy plays like carbon boys name.
Speaker 1: But he just comes in. He's swinging his big dick around.
Speaker 1: And immediately it's clear that mister Charles is moving behind
Speaker 1: the scenes because the Attorney General, Steve Rude, gets a
Speaker 1: call clearly organized by Charles, to call him off the
Speaker 1: Fisk investigation, which hasn't even started yet. There is no investigation,
Speaker 1: but just the fact that he was thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Someone gets on his ass and is like stop it.
Speaker 1: So you know the age he toes the line and
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, sorry about the oversight, don't worry about that.
Speaker 4: I support you, I support you, yes, And it's and
Speaker 4: it's very clear that the call is from Valentina Defontein pushing, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, like okay, so she's fully evil, Like
Speaker 4: that's I mean, I know, we knew she was a
Speaker 4: bad guy off the last time, but this is like
Speaker 4: you're working with Wilson Fisk, I guess because she wants
Speaker 4: to promote her militarily approved superheroes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting. But I love this Matthew Lillard performance
Speaker 2: and it only gets better.
Speaker 1: It's so true. So Heather is analyzing Jack Jukine the Swordsman,
Speaker 1: on behalf of the DA as a like Air quotes independent,
Speaker 1: she's evil psychologist working for the courts, whose recommendations and
Speaker 1: analysis apparently are going to be used by both the
Speaker 1: DA and Jack Chukaine's lawyers, Murdoch and McDuffie. But of
Speaker 1: course we know that Heather is, you know, on the
Speaker 1: payroll of and Duquesas.
Speaker 2: Fisk says, as she's like, I know that you're not
Speaker 2: gonna do this shit.
Speaker 1: Like the Swordsman is being held in some kind of
Speaker 1: black site, and it's clear that he has like no
Speaker 1: civil rights or vivil rights at all.
Speaker 2: First he thought he did, but then yeah, rank he doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean he was kept in occasion Wilson Fisk's basement
Speaker 1: for a period, so he knows what's up. He does
Speaker 1: not trust Glenn to be unbiased. She was probably that, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he denies being the mask vigilante. The Swordsman Glenn
Speaker 1: does like a blade Runner replicant word association test with him.
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, Hamburger, do you like men's magazine?
Speaker 1: Do you like men's magazines? You know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: She then has like a PTSD flashback and hallucinates muse,
Speaker 1: so she's kind of checked out of it for a second.
Speaker 1: It's very clear that she is absolutely hardcore anti mask,
Speaker 1: anti vigilante, Wilson Fisk believer. She doesn't care that the
Speaker 1: Swordsman has no civil or writes here. And then it's
Speaker 1: very clear that like she kind of likes me, they
Speaker 1: will like beat his ass if he doesn't cooperate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she she enjoys it.
Speaker 2: That is also there's like a huge metal vice next
Speaker 2: to him the whole time as well, like it's just
Speaker 2: giving torture. And she does literally say to him like
Speaker 2: these men will come in and do whatever I want
Speaker 2: to you, so I just need to say, babe, go
Speaker 2: to therapy. It's ironic to be the therapist, but like
Speaker 2: even animal left who was a therapist had a therapist, babe,
Speaker 2: like come on, just get a therapists, Like you can't
Speaker 2: blame everyone. And also you killed that man, like what
Speaker 2: are you name? You killed him? Like chill out?
Speaker 1: So yeah, she threatens him, is like you better play ball. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: at the Murdoch and McDuffie offices, McDuffie who is still
Speaker 1: doing all the work while Matt Murdoch does none of
Speaker 1: the work and just be fucking dubs a fat folder
Speaker 1: on Cherry's desk. The office is completely overwork because they're
Speaker 1: apparently handling all the critical missing person's cases related to
Speaker 1: Fisk and the Vigilante task Force in the city.
Speaker 2: People who are being kidnapped and disappeared by a terrified
Speaker 2: it's all being handled by Wow, she's so cool.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, McDuffie is like a scandal type issue Tony Goldwyn
Speaker 1: and Carrie Washington and Carrie Washington because she's like, where's
Speaker 1: Matt is mad? Okay, I'm worried about Matt. I can't
Speaker 1: stop thinking about Matt. Where's Matt. It's like Matt left
Speaker 1: you with all the.
Speaker 2: Word Dude, I gotta know what does Matt Maddock's mouth
Speaker 2: do because like these people like they are, they will
Speaker 2: never forget him.
Speaker 1: Like what Tierly is a Carrie Washington Tony Goldwyn situation.
Speaker 2: We don't even know if they've been together. If that's
Speaker 2: just how husband, I'm guessing they've been together.
Speaker 1: Does Karen know that the mcdummie is talking about Matt
Speaker 1: this way? Anyway? Cherry's like, don't worry about Matt. He's
Speaker 1: in This is his way pat hideout, and he's very
Speaker 1: happy and he's doing everything he loves to do, which
Speaker 1: is fight Wilson Fisk from the shadows and have sex
Speaker 1: with Garen Page. He's loving it. That's his dream life,
Speaker 1: so he wants to do DA Hawkburg comes in to
Speaker 1: talk to McDuffie, McDuffie's former boss at the DA's office
Speaker 1: and he's like wow. He looks around the place. The
Speaker 1: place is like messy and he's like, what is.
Speaker 2: Like y bitch?
Speaker 1: He has like Hou's business not looking too good and
Speaker 1: he's like, listen, I'm worried about you. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: the shit kicked out of you on the Jack Ukaine case.
Speaker 2: I'm a creep. Come back to my office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do Why don't you just like, you know, just
Speaker 1: like play ball, like the Elements doesn't. Like She's like, well,
Speaker 1: what about the evidence against Jack Ukaine, to which there
Speaker 1: is zero evidence. He's like, listen, evidence doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 1: And yes, I used to be a person of a
Speaker 1: respectable legal person in the world. But like I can
Speaker 1: see which way the wind is blowing, you should see
Speaker 1: it too, and just like get with the get with
Speaker 1: the program. It's more lucrative, like look around the place,
Speaker 1: don't you want to pay your rent? And too, it's
Speaker 1: better for your health.
Speaker 5: So d A.
Speaker 1: Hackberg completely corrupted by this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a true scumbag, this guy. Have to say.
Speaker 2: I Arthur Heather's introduction, I thought it was pretty rare
Speaker 2: that we were going to get to see like a
Speaker 2: more villainous character. But I thought they did a great
Speaker 2: job showing like how a complicit, normal person with power
Speaker 2: can become like as villainous or as evil to us
Speaker 2: as you know, or more so to us because we
Speaker 2: know Wilson Fisk's tragic past, we know his history. This
Speaker 2: is just some any next guy who's choosing to align
Speaker 2: with fascism just because it's easy and he can make
Speaker 2: money from it. It's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also I love that we're getting more Karen and
Speaker 2: more of our mcduffy here too, Like it's really really
Speaker 2: great to have kised him back and to have these
Speaker 2: two kind of more in the front, which is something
Speaker 2: that we had talked about that other people hadn't liked
Speaker 2: about the first season. So I feel like this really
Speaker 2: answers that. And also I do love that I know
Speaker 2: that Kristen's probably the only person who will take Matt
Speaker 2: to task when he comes back, Like she's not afraid
Speaker 2: to yell at him, even though she is yearning, right,
Speaker 2: and I think she's yearning.
Speaker 1: I think like maybe she's shooking you.
Speaker 2: Even I was yearning watching that Murdock, Like this is
Speaker 2: the most toxic man you've ever met. He's so bad
Speaker 2: for you, he's so unhealthy.
Speaker 1: There's a passion, there's a dynamser It's like there's something romantic.
Speaker 2: When he's out in the daytime with his little American
Speaker 2: apparel gray hoodie and his little fucking black ray bands.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I get it, man, I would also
Speaker 2: have sex with that Murdica, maybe die for it. Like
Speaker 2: I get it. He's got the juice he's got the juice.
Speaker 1: So Matt goes to meet to a secret meeting with
Speaker 1: Cherry under the very famous and well traveled Manhattan Bridge,
Speaker 1: only one of the most that's like always daylight under
Speaker 1: the Manhattan Bridge.
Speaker 2: It's like, guys can be they bought like a school.
Speaker 1: Come on ye. Matt tells Cherry about the ship and
Speaker 1: the guns, and Matt and Cherry, it's clear that they
Speaker 1: have one hundred percent trust. Matt puts Cherry on the
Speaker 1: case of the Captain, the first mate, and is just like,
Speaker 1: find that.
Speaker 2: Find these guys, dude, get this Mat a break, honestly, like,
Speaker 2: I'm not even that pro.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Fisk's task force is like full ice. They're running
Speaker 1: rough shot over the city. They go to a Greek restaurant.
Speaker 2: They just be beating up women, punching them in the face,
Speaker 2: just like beating up the owner of the restaurant, whose
Speaker 2: name we don't get I believe in this episode, who
Speaker 2: she calls Powell a fascist to her face and he
Speaker 2: just like punches her in the face, punch and he
Speaker 2: just she says, fucking fascist.
Speaker 1: That he's Everybody's gone. At this point, the Captain goes,
Speaker 1: who is being hit here? There's clearly like a you know,
Speaker 1: like an underground railroad situation going on here, and the
Speaker 1: captain goes racing out the back door. The task Force
Speaker 1: corner him, they beat the shit out of him, and
Speaker 1: they bring him in. While apparently some like anti Wilson
Speaker 1: Fisk commercials with a character in a mask and very
Speaker 1: social media quick cut editing have been running online with
Speaker 1: a lot of very fact based anti Wilson Fisk. We'll
Speaker 1: call it propaganda because it's propaganda style video, but it's
Speaker 1: fact based, yeah, And it's running online, and it's clear
Speaker 1: that this is the type of thing that Wilson Fisk
Speaker 1: would be upset about.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, Jason, who are your bets? Obviously we know
Speaker 2: that Matt and Matt and Karen clearly trust BB enough
Speaker 2: to get her to get real news out there, But
Speaker 2: we've only seen her Wilson Fisk propaganda arm So is
Speaker 2: this her or is there gonna be a new antagonist
Speaker 2: for Wilson or is this gonna be like a real
Speaker 2: surprise and it's gonna be Daniel.
Speaker 1: It's her. She's involved in it because she's the one
Speaker 1: who understands this world. She understands the internet and social
Speaker 1: media ecosystems and how to get a message out on
Speaker 1: the internet. So she's involved in some way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Bbe meanwhile, goes to Dan's there's a party going on.
Speaker 2: Why does he have this apartment too? Like that's how
Speaker 2: you know he's corrupt in New York.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna talk about that exactly, and it's very clear.
Speaker 1: And listen, they did a great job immediately clearing up
Speaker 1: what's going on between b B and Dan because Dan
Speaker 1: is like, eh, whoa, where's my hug at? Yeah energy,
Speaker 1: and BB's like, I'm here, Hey, we're hey, I'm just
Speaker 1: here because you know, we're friends and you're having a party.
Speaker 1: He definitely wants to turn things romantic. Okay, He's like bragging,
Speaker 1: I'm Deputy Maya.
Speaker 2: Now look at my expensive mass apartment.
Speaker 1: How do I get this apartment? Well, you know, may
Speaker 1: Fisk got me a deal on it, which is like
Speaker 1: and She's like, are you is that like okay, isn't
Speaker 1: that like corrupt? Or you gotta be careful with that
Speaker 1: shit because you know, like is dirty, probably allegedly, And
Speaker 1: Dana's like, let of it, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: I will say I did love this interaction because it
Speaker 2: does establish that BB actually does have like some modicum
Speaker 2: of real care at this point. But Dan, even though
Speaker 2: she's using him, because when she said that to him,
Speaker 2: where she's like, you know, if all of this fools
Speaker 2: on your head, like when it comes down, like you
Speaker 2: could really get in trouble, Like there's a bit of
Speaker 2: truth and I think also guilt there. But well, I
Speaker 2: just thought it was a great interaction.
Speaker 1: Let's as we go further. And yes, I will say
Speaker 1: that listen, I think it's a I think, considering the
Speaker 1: fact that like armed thugs are occupying the city of
Speaker 1: New York illegally and like just disappearing people and probably
Speaker 1: killing them, et cetera, I think that what BB is
Speaker 1: doing in that context is okay. But from a journalistic standpoint,
Speaker 1: this is a just you can't do this. This is true.
Speaker 2: You're acting as like the fucking propaganda arm of the
Speaker 2: fascist government at the same time. So I'm like, I
Speaker 2: needed it to be taken him down quick, off Robert
Speaker 2: and making such good propaganda for them.
Speaker 1: So Matt comes to the Greek restaurant to talk to
Speaker 1: the owner and he's like, listen, I'm a lawyer and
Speaker 1: you know, we've discovered that, yes, there is an underground
Speaker 1: railroad situation being run out of this restaurant. He's like,
Speaker 1: I know that you're helping people escape New York City.
Speaker 1: I am Matt Murdoch And immediately she's like, oh, Matt Murdoch.
Speaker 1: And it's clear that Matt Murdoch has juice in the Resistance,
Speaker 1: which is absolutely what the loosely knit organization of different
Speaker 1: actions that are resisting. Wilson Fisk like, it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: an organization, but they call themselves the Resistance. It is
Speaker 1: referred to as the Resistance openly, and she immediately trust him.
Speaker 1: She's like, the Captain was supposed to go to Toronto,
Speaker 1: but the task Force got him. And Matt is like,
Speaker 1: well what about the first officer And she's like, I
Speaker 1: just don't know where he is. Powell is torturing the
Speaker 1: captain because that's what we do now.
Speaker 2: We love to do that. Right to your question, since
Speaker 2: they have introduced a great separate character is with we
Speaker 2: saw the hand in Spider Man, do you think that
Speaker 2: they're gonna try and bring back Electra? And I feel
Speaker 2: like they at least want you to think about.
Speaker 1: Right there, She's coming back. Okay, it's happened. Absolutely, this
Speaker 1: ship is owned by Electra's family.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like this it's gonna be like
Speaker 2: shows up, like yes, it's definitely the Chios family exactly,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna have some like long lost like understanding
Speaker 2: of lectures or something. It feels like that's what that's
Speaker 2: setting off.
Speaker 1: And it's I'm calling it now. This show, this season
Speaker 1: is gonna come to your head with multiple Matt paramounts.
Speaker 2: I agree, I think you should leave this with the Matt,
Speaker 2: the Matt harem. You know he I mean, he's already
Speaker 2: got one, but it could be. Imagine if they brought
Speaker 2: back Night in Us.
Speaker 1: You really, he's going He's going to be living with
Speaker 1: living with Karen in the hideout and fighting on the
Speaker 1: rooftops with Electra, and there's gonna be that magnetism again.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. I just feel it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can feel it.
Speaker 1: So Powell wants to know, like where the first mate is,
Speaker 1: and Powell is just torturing the fucking ship out of
Speaker 1: this guy. When Buck comes in to play, you think
Speaker 1: the good cop and he's look, oh, you think that
Speaker 1: he's going to tell you anything, we make a coup, No,
Speaker 1: make him, make him a spot of tea? Why did
Speaker 1: you take a break palace? And the captain is like, listen,
Speaker 1: I told I did what I was told to scuttle
Speaker 1: of the ship when darda Will got on and I
Speaker 1: don't know anything, and I don't know anything, and Buck says,
Speaker 1: you got it, you're right. We it's our bag, sorry
Speaker 1: about it. We'll can let you go, and then he
Speaker 1: just shoots the guy in.
Speaker 2: The back, interestingly speaks Greek to him and says like
Speaker 2: cash Buck, you know he's the heat. Maybe try you know.
Speaker 2: But I love that he basically was like I think
Speaker 2: he said something along lines of like may God forgive
Speaker 2: me because you were innocent? Like actually, like he's like,
Speaker 2: none of this is your fault. I thought that was
Speaker 2: a really interesting moment, especially because the brutality of Powell.
Speaker 2: You do feel a moment of relief when Buck comes
Speaker 2: in and you think, well, obviously you know what's gonna
Speaker 2: happen because he's a fucking assassin, but that it's like
Speaker 2: a the way that they play with your emotions and
Speaker 2: your expectations and pull the rug out of you from
Speaker 2: under you. In this episode, even with the Matthew Leonard
Speaker 2: character and kind of the approach that he takes. It's
Speaker 2: just really great engaging TV.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Fisk is at dinner with mister Charles and
Speaker 1: Vanessa Alsa happened, and mister Charles is again, this guy
Speaker 1: just swings his dick over. He doesn't give a shit
Speaker 1: about manners, about tangleman. You know, Vanessa and Fisk are
Speaker 1: very genteel people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's dressed like he's a fucking like Apple summit.
Speaker 1: He's got it. He's like spread out across the chairs,
Speaker 1: slouched down, he's all messy. And Vanessa's like, is this
Speaker 1: like some kind of bit like is this your Is
Speaker 1: this how you do things? You just go around being
Speaker 1: an asshole and that's like your thing? And and Fiscus like,
Speaker 1: you've made.
Speaker 2: My wife bitch? Yeah, because he says he really makes
Speaker 2: this all panded comment, which, by the way, kind of
Speaker 2: like a good thing to ask by. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, do we can we talk in front of
Speaker 2: the missus?
Speaker 4: And he's like, yeah, how dare you wife.
Speaker 2: Together? My wife's controlled my organization where I.
Speaker 1: Was jail, how dare you? Mister Charles like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up a bro just to listen. I'm here from
Speaker 1: powers bigger than you, who are pissed about the port
Speaker 1: being all blocked up. Now because of this fucking ship.
Speaker 1: We need to get the thing unblocked so our ships
Speaker 1: can come in.
Speaker 2: It also seems like he was involved in the gun running,
Speaker 2: so he was.
Speaker 1: Clearly liked, so he's allowing it. Well, he's clearly like
Speaker 1: a fixer for whoever is allowing the gun running, which
Speaker 1: who is Valentina? Somehow like they're involved it.
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit of Sharon Caught Power Broken too.
Speaker 2: It seems like this some kind of military optimization that
Speaker 2: Wilson Fisk is allowing. Now, this could be an anti
Speaker 2: superhero thing for the Department of Damage Control. It's really interesting.
Speaker 1: So Charles is like, listen, let me tell you about logistics,
Speaker 1: because that's what separates the men from the boys. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you want to put an army in the field,
Speaker 1: what are they gonna eat, what are they gonna shoot?
Speaker 1: Where are they going to sleep? I take care of that.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna kill him? Off those he's gonna kill him?
Speaker 1: Okay, if uh you know an army of anti uh
Speaker 1: mutant cadres in power suits is hunting the X Men
Speaker 1: or something like what are they going to wipe their
Speaker 1: ass with when when they go to room That's what
Speaker 1: I do, okay, And he's like, listen, have unload all
Speaker 1: the cargo from the ship. One, two after that, kill
Speaker 1: all the guys who unloaded the cargo. What however you
Speaker 1: need to do it, just make sure you do that.
Speaker 1: Fisc is like hesitant.
Speaker 2: He's like, those are my bros. No, But.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the you know, I think he's
Speaker 1: more concerned about him taking the legal hit potentially while
Speaker 1: his partner's big foot him, like he's I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: all the risk while you're not doing anything.
Speaker 2: Right now, he has a personal army, so if he
Speaker 2: kills like the central force of that that he can
Speaker 2: trust with this mission, then he has to rebuild it.
Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily an emotional response, but it is
Speaker 2: an interesting response. And the thing that I love is
Speaker 2: that mistics like, Okay, then well I can put together
Speaker 2: a little task for a little group of soldiers and
Speaker 2: they can from around the world, which I feel like
Speaker 2: is definitely going to introduce some interesting new characters. And
Speaker 2: then he's like, you know, and we're just do an
Speaker 2: industrial accident. After it happens. There is again a lot
Speaker 2: of acknowledgement here of you know, real life historical ways
Speaker 2: that the governments of many countries have behaved towards their
Speaker 2: own citizens. It's very crazy, and I think that I
Speaker 2: love that Matthew Lillard is using the charm and kind
Speaker 2: of obnoxious like confidence that has often enamored us to him,
Speaker 2: but he's pushing it to a boundary here where it's
Speaker 2: starting You're starting to realize, like, oh, maybe the scariest
Speaker 2: thing is actually a deep character who's fucking competent, Like
Speaker 2: that's actually terrifying.
Speaker 1: Bbe has Dan's apartment cleaned for him after the party,
Speaker 1: and you think, oh, well, how nice. Well the cleaning
Speaker 1: guy is a spy ay and has been going through
Speaker 1: all of dan shit, and who knows what they'll find. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Karen meets Bbe and they talk about it. Karen is like,
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful because if Dan figures out what
Speaker 1: you're up to, like, this is dangerous. I don't think
Speaker 1: you understand how dangerous this is.
Speaker 2: She was also like, do you like him? Do you
Speaker 2: like him? Because she was like that on the record,
Speaker 2: I'd almost like Karen, just because you're fucking the one
Speaker 2: person you want quick, it doesn't mean everyone else is made.
Speaker 1: She's you gotta acknowledge the realities of the situation. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying. So Biebie is like, I'm doing it for
Speaker 1: my uncle Ben Urick.
Speaker 2: Who, by the way, Karen is the fucking reason that
Speaker 2: he's dead, Babe.
Speaker 1: She says that She's like, well, you know, just to
Speaker 1: underline how serious this is, Ben is dead and he's
Speaker 1: dead because of me. This is serious business. Like, be careful.
Speaker 1: Heather is at home working her grip, so she's got
Speaker 1: one of those grip exercises, and I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: Heather's gonna suit up at some point.
Speaker 2: You think, okay, So do you think she's gonna become
Speaker 2: her own crazed vigilante killer or do you think she
Speaker 2: will become like a version of Muse.
Speaker 1: I think she is going to become some sort of
Speaker 1: version of her own anti vigilante vigilante, and potentially it's
Speaker 1: going to involve a lot of choking.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh my gosh, yes, because of what happened
Speaker 2: to Howard Mus. Also, that makes sense because Wilson does
Speaker 2: kind of historically has collected Yeah, super anti superhero superheroes,
Speaker 2: whether it's you know TYPOI, Mary oh Man, I'd love
Speaker 2: for them to bring a good version of feels like
Speaker 2: it could happen for sure, especially another paramore, another Matthewmado paramore.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean complicated one.
Speaker 2: Guys. We gotta we gotta get Heather out of here,
Speaker 2: like call the fucking American Board of Psychiatrists or something,
Speaker 2: get her discard or whatever that version is. Spa. She
Speaker 2: is not spit for purpose, guys. She is doing a
Speaker 2: bad job.
Speaker 1: So she's there, she's working her group, and she's listen
Speaker 1: into the Ducaine evaluation tape where she's like, you do
Speaker 1: you read lumber jad back and sees Hawkman calls the
Speaker 1: you know d a Hawkman and he's like, listen, great
Speaker 1: job on the evaluation of Ducane. But you don't need
Speaker 1: to go through all the stuff. Can you just simply
Speaker 1: write that he is a psycho and whatever else you
Speaker 1: need to say so that we can just like get the.
Speaker 2: I will say. And I did think the funniest thing
Speaker 2: about this was like they want her to basically make
Speaker 2: say he's a sociopath, right, But then she she clicked
Speaker 2: that he said that he was, She like, what changed
Speaker 2: the ants away? He said he was possessed, and I
Speaker 2: was like, that's a different kind of insanity. Plea babe.
Speaker 2: But sure, she's not up to it. She's having PTSD,
Speaker 2: she's drinking a lot. She apparently only drinks gray goose.
Speaker 2: I guess she's really into like club culture, and yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a bad move, and the fact that she
Speaker 2: just does it at Hawkman's request is like, fuck it awful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the do you feel possessed kind of question?
Speaker 1: I forget how she phrases it very weird.
Speaker 2: It's like, do evil spirits possess my body? True or false?
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that this is kind of.
Speaker 1: Like that's what she's gonna be. She feels that way.
Speaker 1: It's clear this is projection from her. She's gonna she
Speaker 1: feels that muses is somehow inhabiting her body, and.
Speaker 2: She's gonna's and then she's now gonna use this to
Speaker 2: say Ducane's crazy, he's possessed. It's very interesting. I'm intrigued
Speaker 2: to see where they go with this route, because also
Speaker 2: it does feel like they're doing one of the things
Speaker 2: that could be really emotionally powerful and tough to watch.
Speaker 2: Which is they're taking a character who is relatively like
Speaker 2: a goofy, pretty okay character who we knew, for example,
Speaker 2: was good to Kate, he was not a bad guy.
Speaker 2: And then they're gonna take him from this really kind
Speaker 2: of fun Ya space and move him. And I think
Speaker 2: we're gonna see him get absolutely just horrifically demolished through
Speaker 2: this trial. Through this they're saying there's gonna be more
Speaker 2: pull vigilante trials. And I think that we could see
Speaker 2: like a really sad storyline for Duquane. But I will
Speaker 2: say he's in New York. Yeah that's Kate Bishop's x stepdad.
Speaker 2: So maybe we see a little bit of Kate I
Speaker 2: would love to see. I have to come in, you know,
Speaker 2: get him out of some blin Ellie like kind of
Speaker 2: nelly bly situation. But yeah, I had to get her
Speaker 2: out of him. I'm done with it. Just Matt, just killer,
Speaker 2: Just give us some head trauma. Get out. She's an ad.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sick of us. She's she's Jason. She's
Speaker 2: gaslighting people. It's a big Bay prison for life.
Speaker 1: It's it's very, very bad. At the restaurant, the first
Speaker 1: mate is in the alley eating out of a dumpster
Speaker 1: and it's he's come there for help from the owner,
Speaker 1: and though they don't show it, she probably helps him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's a kind of like it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Task Force breaks down Cherry's door. They want
Speaker 1: to know why Cherry is looking for the Greeks. They're
Speaker 1: beating him up. Then Matt comes and Matt is beating
Speaker 1: up the Ice agents, which is great but complicate. In fact,
Speaker 1: your Cherry begins to have a heart attack because of
Speaker 1: all the excitement. So but then no, he's okay, and
Speaker 1: Matt it's just like, okay, I'll go back to beating
Speaker 1: the guys up, and he's really having I get comes
Speaker 1: back and Matt gets distracted, and it seems like the
Speaker 1: task Force is First of all, they unmask him and
Speaker 1: realize that it's Matt Murdoch and they're about to beat
Speaker 1: him up and take him in when knives shoot through
Speaker 1: the window and kill everybody.
Speaker 2: And we know that ship Bullseye Baby, Matt, Mada Bullseye
Speaker 2: fucking team up. This is some crazy sad boy shit
Speaker 2: and I cannot white for it. It's like gonna be
Speaker 2: that's just sickening. People are gonna.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's take it. Let's take a quick break, and
Speaker 1: then we'll be back to discuss this episode, and we're back, okay.
Speaker 1: I love the idea of a of a Bullseye Matt
Speaker 1: team up based purely on the fact that they are
Speaker 1: both like, really really mad at Wilson Fists. Yeah, obviously
Speaker 1: like Dex has been through it because of Wilson, who
Speaker 1: is trying to kill it and who has manipulated him
Speaker 1: many many times into committing many many murders. To be fair,
Speaker 1: that Dex is absolutely forget the fact that he's probably
Speaker 1: insane like committed and is responsible for but Wilson Fisk
Speaker 1: absolutely like exploited his existing MELA issues and now Dex
Speaker 1: is clearly murderously mad at him, and I think appears
Speaker 1: to be genuinely not in a set mad up to
Speaker 1: die way. I think he's genuinely helping Matt because he
Speaker 1: wants to piss off.
Speaker 2: Wilson Yeah, and potentially team up with him. So I
Speaker 2: am really excited to pursue that. Let's introduce super producer
Speaker 2: Aaron so he can ask us his biggest questions coming
Speaker 2: out of this episode and give us some of his
Speaker 2: hot takes. What do you think about a bulls Eye
Speaker 2: Matt team up Aaron Deuce. Is that something you're interested
Speaker 2: in seeing? You want to see the two killers together?
Speaker 5: Of course, well not two killers. I just think it's
Speaker 5: so great. Matt has the best luck. Anytime he doesn't
Speaker 5: want to get his hands dirty, he gets a teammate
Speaker 5: who's totally willing to do all the dirty work, and
Speaker 5: Matt can can shake his head and say, oh, true,
Speaker 5: actually don't kill anyone, and then turn around and Verry
Speaker 5: Batman code Bill's Yeah it was. Yeah, I did have
Speaker 5: a there was a small part of me that was
Speaker 5: really hoping Jessica was going to save him at the
Speaker 5: end of this episode, just so that we got to
Speaker 5: Jessica sooner. But this was a great way to end it.
Speaker 5: And I love Bullseye like almost taunting Matt with the
Speaker 5: message of the dagger at the end.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't it's not some sudden turnaround that doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense, but we can understand that the fisk of
Speaker 2: it all is the big thing that is going to
Speaker 2: unite them. And I'm assuming this is my big theory
Speaker 2: coming out of the end of this season. I think
Speaker 2: by the end Matt Bullseye, all the girls, Wilson Fisk,
Speaker 2: They're probably going to have realized that whatever mister Charles
Speaker 2: represents or whatever is coming is a bigger threat. I
Speaker 2: think this is leading us to that brand new day
Speaker 2: unexpected allies kind of vibes that we'll be getting into there.
Speaker 1: My question is, how does Matt Murdoch, his identity as
Speaker 1: Daredevil being widely known now it's fisk new, but yeah,
Speaker 1: Fisk is they have a weird relationship like that's lostic,
Speaker 1: but also very intimate in a bizarre way, where they
Speaker 1: respect each other and respect certain aspects of each of
Speaker 1: their personal lives, and they like.
Speaker 2: To be in there weird bey together. It's very Batman
Speaker 2: Joker coda.
Speaker 1: It's very strange, right, But now the task Force knows
Speaker 1: that Matt Murdoch is Daredevil, and I think at least
Speaker 1: it's plausible that at least some of them survived the
Speaker 1: Bullseye attack. I wonder how this will play out in
Speaker 1: the future and then if we get you know, Matt
Speaker 1: has been revealed to be Daredevil several times in the comics,
Speaker 1: and it's been complicated for him. There's been times that
Speaker 1: he's had to go underground. There's been times that he's
Speaker 1: like popped back up and been like, oh, that old
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, Daredevil, give me a fucking break where a
Speaker 1: Bullseye has like or other people dressed as Daredevil, like
Speaker 1: Iron Fist dressed as Daredevil have helped Matt get the
Speaker 1: stink off of him, so to speak, to make it
Speaker 1: seem like that there's actually a Daredevil running around while
Speaker 1: Matt like is having dinner or something, so that they
Speaker 1: can be like, oh, look, I wonder if they will
Speaker 1: do that, and who the person, if it will be
Speaker 1: Bullseye if they indeed, Oh, Jason, I think that's such
Speaker 1: a good call, right, I think it's probably identification, even
Speaker 1: if they just did it like halfway through the season
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna lie. The quality of this
Speaker 2: first episode really has me believing that it could be
Speaker 2: a true tie in to Spider Man, which I also
Speaker 2: am very interested in because Spider Man is really with
Speaker 2: Brand New Day, going to be the first time that
Speaker 2: we truly have something that directly connects to what happened
Speaker 2: in a major movie in a really major way in
Speaker 2: a long time. With Peter Parker's identity being gone. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I could definitely see a kind of big event happening
Speaker 2: at the end of this that directly ties in, especially
Speaker 2: with the punisher of it all. Aaron, what were your
Speaker 2: biggest like worries coming into this episode and this kind
Speaker 2: of season as a whole.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, well, one of the things that I think,
Speaker 5: I don't know if this was I had this necessarily beforehand,
Speaker 5: but while watching this one, I thought it was really
Speaker 5: interesting because so much of the show previously Netflix and
Speaker 5: last season have been Matt trying to balance both sides
Speaker 5: of his life. He's trying to be a lawyer, he's
Speaker 5: trying to be a vigilanty, he's not telling people, he
Speaker 5: is telling people. What does that do to his ability
Speaker 5: to be a good partner to Foggy? And in this
Speaker 5: episode so far, he's not Matt anymore. He's fully daredevil
Speaker 5: and we don't have him balancing that. And at first
Speaker 5: as we were going through as I'm going through the episode,
Speaker 5: I was like, this, I'm missing that inner turmoil. But
Speaker 5: it allows us to focus so much more on these
Speaker 5: other characters. We're getting a lot of active BB stuff.
Speaker 5: Boebe is not just like some tertiary character. Bbe has
Speaker 5: multiple things here with different people, all these interconnecting storylines.
Speaker 5: We're getting Karen is training on the wing chun dummy, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: maybe Karen can wear the Daredevil suit.
Speaker 6: At some point, I was.
Speaker 2: Wondering if, well, in the recent comics, in the Chip
Speaker 2: Zadovsky stuff, they have a character to become Dad Evil,
Speaker 2: which was really cool, another potential option for someone that
Speaker 2: could put on the suit. Yeah, I agree, Aaron. I've
Speaker 2: really loved how they're using Bebe. I really like how
Speaker 2: they're using Karen. I'm not gonna lie I am. I'm
Speaker 2: a feared for Karen and her new like action packed
Speaker 2: life with her wigs and her kind of like black
Speaker 2: eye makeup. It's voting badly for her health. But no,
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I also think I really want
Speaker 2: them to lean into McDuffie, at least doing one of them,
Speaker 2: like just doing the Duquine trial by herself. Obviously, we
Speaker 2: know there's probably gonna be a moment where that mother
Speaker 2: fucker walks in with his flake blind cane and his
Speaker 2: little red sunglasses and yeah, so like, I am very
Speaker 2: interested in that element and whether or not we'll get
Speaker 2: more of the legal battle side from Kirsten until we
Speaker 2: can get i mean Kristin, until we can get Matt
Speaker 2: back in the courtroom, which is obviously just going to
Speaker 2: be for some show moment at the end because he can't.
Speaker 1: There's no way he can.
Speaker 2: They're not getting arrested.
Speaker 1: He can't lawyer right now, that's like impossible, there's no way.
Speaker 2: But you can't have him in that suit for one
Speaker 2: minute at least.
Speaker 1: What do we think the odds are? Because remember, I
Speaker 1: think probably the longest stretch that somebody pretended to be
Speaker 1: Daredevil was Danny Rand the Iron Fist pretended to be
Speaker 1: Daredevil while Matt was known to be you know, was
Speaker 1: while his idea and Danny had been outed as Daredevil
Speaker 1: in order to kind of you know, throw people off,
Speaker 1: Danny Rand come back.
Speaker 2: What do we think, Oh my god, Actually, Jason, that's
Speaker 2: probably the only way they could do it that people
Speaker 2: wouldn't hate is if they had him come back. Simply
Speaker 2: they were like, I know a guy who's the same size,
Speaker 2: and then they have Danny come back and he wears
Speaker 2: the suit and he does it for an episode or something.
Speaker 1: Because I might worry is if you let bulls Eye
Speaker 1: do it that he'd kill fifteen people exactly. Now it's
Speaker 1: a mass murderer.
Speaker 2: And though honestly that happens a lot to Dead Devil,
Speaker 2: like he's alway the brand or he is also like
Speaker 2: killing people like on.
Speaker 5: That boat at the end of last week. I do
Speaker 5: want to point out at the end of last week
Speaker 5: both Eladie Young and Finn posted workout clips and things
Speaker 5: in the gym, and and they're currently filming season three
Speaker 5: right now, so it is.
Speaker 2: Very you know, don't believe it. I mean they're putting
Speaker 2: out After we watched like rewatch Jessica Jones and had
Speaker 2: that conversation, like both us and also the Discord were
Speaker 2: kind of like, wait a minute, is this shit really good?
Speaker 2: Like I think it's really good. Like no, it's good
Speaker 2: to you know, because they went back to Jessica Jones
Speaker 2: they watched it and they were like, oh, actually, this
Speaker 2: is great TV. Like, so I think if they could
Speaker 2: do some kind of you know, give that funny you
Speaker 2: maybe you even get a crazy Dead Evil action scene
Speaker 2: cold open and then he pulls off the mask and
Speaker 2: at Danny rand or something like that could be it
Speaker 2: would be grinded. Come on, I think that could be
Speaker 2: a Trevis Slattery level reimagining. I really love that called Jason,
Speaker 2: what who do you think his end game by the
Speaker 2: end of this season or is Matt single and alone again? Jason?
Speaker 1: I think Matt is single, alone again, and I think
Speaker 1: at the I believe that at the end of this episode,
Speaker 1: Matt will will either be on the run or trying
Speaker 1: to live his life fully as Matt Murdoch in order
Speaker 1: to avoid the linkage with Darteil. I think thank him
Speaker 1: to San Francisco. We've seen some you could do that.
Speaker 1: I think season three will be all about Matt Murdoch
Speaker 1: trying to be like dir what what who?
Speaker 2: Also what that Iley line what whosoops who? That could
Speaker 2: lean very heavily into like the original version of this
Speaker 2: show that was going to be more like lawyer focused
Speaker 2: if they did. But yeah, that that could have been
Speaker 2: really interesting. Aaron, you had a great question, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna pose it to you so you can give us
Speaker 2: your thesis. Is Matt Murdoch the MCU's greatest heart breaker
Speaker 2: or Marvel's greatest heart breakerp what do you believe?
Speaker 5: Mc wise one hundred percent? I think early early Tony
Speaker 5: had a shot. I mean Tony was was doing it.
Speaker 5: But I think Matt's secret weapon is he's not super popular,
Speaker 5: so he's not a worldwide superhero.
Speaker 6: He is self contained to New York and so he
Speaker 6: can he can.
Speaker 5: Get away, yeah, whereas like you know, Captain America can't.
Speaker 5: He's too big a name daredevil. He's still like in
Speaker 5: the shadows a little. I think one hundred percent. And look,
Speaker 5: having been before pandemic, I used to go to the
Speaker 5: same yoga studio as Charlie.
Speaker 6: I would see him there all the time.
Speaker 2: You about to tell us you were like, Okay, tell
Speaker 2: us more.
Speaker 5: But I used to see Charlie like doing yoga all
Speaker 5: the time. And I can tell you he is in person,
Speaker 5: the nicest person ever, but also incredibly jacked and and
Speaker 5: like we've seen it in previous seasons, he looks great.
Speaker 5: And I think he is one hundred percent Marvel's greatest heartbreaker.
Speaker 2: I would agree with you. I can't think of many
Speaker 2: other people with such prolific romancing because like, obviously the
Speaker 2: X Men are very messy, we're gonna get into that
Speaker 2: and not big X Men impending doomsday episode. But I
Speaker 2: do think, like if you just look at the amount
Speaker 2: of people that Matt Murdoch FUCKX who then end up
Speaker 2: like dead or you know, go lives going badly or
Speaker 2: just broken up with him. He is on like a
Speaker 2: Batman level of numbers at this point.
Speaker 1: Well, I need to I need to push back a
Speaker 1: little bit. Okay, wants a heartbreaker? Oh Ida, nobody actually
Speaker 1: walks away feeling bad?
Speaker 2: No, Like true, he's a good lover apparently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean everybody, here's the thing about Matt Murdoch.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Steve Rogers, Like, here's the problem with Steve
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Steve Rodgers gonna love bomb you and be
Speaker 1: like let's get start talking about kids and ship and
Speaker 1: it's second date, you know, Like right away, Matt Murdoch
Speaker 1: understands what the score is. Matt Murdock is down for
Speaker 1: whatever you are down for exactly what of this? What
Speaker 1: do you want to do?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Do you want a two week thing? Do you want
Speaker 1: like a monogamous thing.
Speaker 2: Do you want a passionate, violent thing?
Speaker 1: Do you want a one night thing? Like He's good
Speaker 1: for all of it. So I actually reject the idea
Speaker 1: that anybody's heart is getting bro Karen a little bit
Speaker 1: because of that. They grew up together basically you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like they they were young people starting
Speaker 1: out in the world and kind of grew as professional
Speaker 1: people and young professionals together. So it's like a different
Speaker 1: situation there. But everybody else is like they got exactly
Speaker 1: what they wanted out of the Matt relationship. He's not
Speaker 1: He's not tricking anybody.
Speaker 2: He has a lot of friends. Who has exes both
Speaker 2: Heba Glenn did not get what she wanted out of
Speaker 2: that thing.
Speaker 1: Was a bad agree. But that's a bad choice by Matt.
Speaker 2: That was Matt Heather.
Speaker 1: Heather can't be honest with herself, Like how is she
Speaker 1: gonna be honess relationship?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: Okay, guys, Matt, Matt is the one most likely to
Speaker 5: be on field.
Speaker 6: I think he can. He can truly spin his weares there,
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, wait, I go to ask you Bullpark number,
Speaker 2: Matt Matt buddy count.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, from from high school to college.
Speaker 2: I'm saying like two hundred plus.
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, oh, I think it might be and
Speaker 1: I think it might actually could be crazy. I think
Speaker 1: just because of the fact listen erin.
Speaker 2: Like Jason said one one night stand two weeks Like yeah,
Speaker 2: he's flexible college.
Speaker 1: Imagine like freshman year of college. Like, imagine being able
Speaker 1: to walk into any party, any bar, any room and
Speaker 1: know immediately who you have chemistry with. Be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I felt her heart jump over there. Let me just
Speaker 1: like go over to that.
Speaker 2: Side and accidentally knock into them with whoop.
Speaker 1: So I'm blind, Oh my god, I'm like, oh, can
Speaker 1: you help me? I don't worry.
Speaker 2: How do I how do you know?
Speaker 1: Like? And I and I just think he fucking cleaned up,
Speaker 1: and I think it could be in the hundreds. I
Speaker 1: think it absolutely could be.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 5: He also is just eternally charming, so I think that
Speaker 5: he would always get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like, even if we just think
Speaker 2: of the people we know he had sex within the MCU,
Speaker 2: at least ten people, so that's like just like if
Speaker 2: we actually think outside of that she because he had
Speaker 2: sex with he had sex with Rosario Dawson, he had
Speaker 2: sex with Electra head A, Glenn Karen Page. There's definitely others. Wait,
Speaker 2: hold on a few seasons.
Speaker 1: We can redcon it too, Natasha, I think it is
Speaker 1: definitely canonically in the comics. They fucked a lot, so
Speaker 1: I they should figure out a way to re con that.
Speaker 5: Matt, because actually what happened in Budapest was that they
Speaker 5: met in Budapest exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh Matt, we love you, Okay, I mean like you
Speaker 2: know there's support typhoid Mary, Yeah, you know if.
Speaker 1: You exist and Night Night Nurse, like it's it's out there.
Speaker 1: So that's like just and that's so we're saying, let's
Speaker 1: call it a Disney property, even though a lot happened
Speaker 1: in the in Netflix, Okay, but it's a Disney property canonically,
Speaker 1: in a Disney property, Matt Murdock's Disney body count is
Speaker 1: like approaching ten.
Speaker 2: Exactly who else is idiot tunnels that there's just don't
Speaker 2: they had sex one time? Like this is the thing
Speaker 2: is like everyone has you have you know, Tony has
Speaker 2: had sex with women, but it was like Matt, like
Speaker 2: Matt Maddock Fox, Tony Stock is like a collector of things.
Speaker 2: He rarely heard any sleep with like three people, even.
Speaker 1: The extremely problematic like early Tony, when you like really
Speaker 1: look at it, canonically, it's still like only two or
Speaker 1: three before he marries his Right, there's the reporter in
Speaker 1: was it the first one? Right, So there's the reporter
Speaker 1: in Iron Man one and then there's Pepper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like it's not like a massive No,
Speaker 2: there's like there's like acknowledgments to it. But it's not
Speaker 2: like Matt Murdock is like he is getting at every opportunity.
Speaker 2: He is mad, getting mad that Ali cat. We love him,
Speaker 2: we support it. I love that he seems to make
Speaker 2: his lovers feel good, so I support that too, like
Speaker 2: good pam. Okay, wait, guys, other big questions. Jason watched
Speaker 2: your Wildest Speculation around Miss Charles. No, no, I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, I think Danny rand reappearing in the.
Speaker 1: Pretty crazy, right, I want to be so right, But
Speaker 1: my mister Charles, you know, I think mister Charles is
Speaker 1: I think he is a valin Tina lieutenant. I think
Speaker 1: that it's unclear to me right now what is going
Speaker 1: on and why the arms. I'm not sure all the
Speaker 1: arms are for Fisk, but it's clear that Valentina is
Speaker 1: bringing in hardware and gear that she needs to to
Speaker 1: bring into the port there, and so what is that
Speaker 1: stuff going to be? Wild guess? I mean you mentioned
Speaker 1: power Broker. Are we going to start supering up people?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it going to be massive gallons and that's illegal
Speaker 1: super soldier. Is it going to be power suits for
Speaker 1: her like anti uh powered Wonder.
Speaker 2: Against superheroes.
Speaker 5: Basically, I have I want to have one wild take
Speaker 5: that I'm almost positive will not be the case. But
Speaker 5: they made a point to multiple times with mister Charles
Speaker 5: focus on his hand with the ring, and so I
Speaker 5: was like, is he connected to Shanci's sister in the
Speaker 5: ten Rings?
Speaker 6: Like is he actually working?
Speaker 5: And maybe they're the ones running guns through the port
Speaker 5: like and Valentine is connected in some way too.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be the case, I know,
Speaker 2: but I love that. I also did think as well,
Speaker 2: something that that's really great point, Aaron, because I forgot
Speaker 2: to note this down. I also do wonder if they're
Speaker 2: setting him up to kind of try and take over
Speaker 2: from Fisk, because it's a very Fisk thing, like and
Speaker 2: not I don't think they would do that, but like
Speaker 2: him try and take over because the whole like his
Speaker 2: ring clicking on the glass. Now, I will say Fisk
Speaker 2: did look very upset when he saw him. So there
Speaker 2: is also some kind of personal history potential there too,
Speaker 2: and we could find that maybe they were not like brothers,
Speaker 2: but maybe they were. I feel like there's a they
Speaker 2: want to show the similarities in some of the ways
Speaker 2: that they move while also showing us the difference is
Speaker 2: between that kind of nouveau like stealth wealth and then
Speaker 2: like the way that Wilson and Vanessa act, which is
Speaker 2: very like old school eloquent wealth.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's clear that part of it too,
Speaker 1: is like whoever Charles is working for. They feel like
Speaker 1: Wilson is small.
Speaker 2: Time, right, that's scary.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a regional guy. He's a regional power
Speaker 1: and local awards. He's a you know, local mafia figure
Speaker 1: in New York City who's become mayor blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: like not actually a threat to them or somebody who
Speaker 1: they need to take seriously at the level they are at,
Speaker 1: which is very interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 5: I love like you're the head of the snake and
Speaker 5: it's barely worth my time to be here. I'm sitting down,
Speaker 5: I'm insulting your wife at the table, I'm talking about
Speaker 5: euro king like I'm I'm I could barely.
Speaker 6: Be bothered to be here. Yeah, you are nothing. I
Speaker 6: love that.
Speaker 2: I love that too. And Ian put a great note
Speaker 2: in the chat. It's like the world's bigger than New York.
Speaker 2: Like when we watch this show, it's like New York,
Speaker 2: New York, and this is the most high stake shit.
Speaker 2: But to him, he's like, who cares? Like we got
Speaker 2: so much many other irons in the fire, you know. Okay, guys,
Speaker 2: let's start our official dead Devil Deadpool.
Speaker 1: Who do we.
Speaker 2: Expect to live or die this season? Who is it?
Speaker 2: Number one, two, and three for deaths for each other?
Speaker 1: Well, number one is Karen Page. I'm giving. I'm giving.
Speaker 1: I'm giving, Like you know, I'm giving. What is the
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred dollars gets you ten dollars that
Speaker 1: Karen Page should die? I feel like it's one hundred.
Speaker 2: She is dying sadly. I think it's true. All right, Rosie,
Speaker 2: that's that's your first choice too. I'm a Karen too,
Speaker 2: what's your first my first choice? I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: But he like was only on screen three times, and
Speaker 5: every single time he made a point to mention that
Speaker 5: he's retired.
Speaker 6: It's Cherry. I think Cherry's not gonna make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cherry's had two heart attacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, one episode yeah, true, true, He's not having
Speaker 2: a good time Jason, who's your second?
Speaker 1: Oh God, Vanessa, she's run her course, hasn't She has?
Speaker 1: She is unless there is something that she is plotting
Speaker 1: or scheming, some other thing that she's running it. There
Speaker 1: were hints of that in season one, right where she
Speaker 1: was kind of building up her own power base and
Speaker 1: maintaining it and doing the street level stuff, and maybe
Speaker 1: she thinks, you know, this whole thing with Wilson has
Speaker 1: run its course. They suggested that. I think in season one,
Speaker 1: unless we get hints of some other thing, I think
Speaker 1: Vanessa's kind of run her course. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you make a good point. Also as well,
Speaker 2: we know that Bullseye feels like she is equally as
Speaker 2: you know, endangered his life and his mental health and
Speaker 2: his you know life is the non assassin. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's true. I'm gonna go I think Daniel,
Speaker 2: I love that act, but I have to say, this
Speaker 2: is my this is my long rate son of Gandafini,
Speaker 2: and he's killing it. I want them to continue this
Speaker 2: kind of Doge esque which, by the way, at the
Speaker 2: time again felt so fucking pressy. And I love this plotline,
Speaker 2: but I am I do know the MCU, I do
Speaker 2: know the world. I believe this is my long I
Speaker 2: think they're gonna reveal that the king pin Leka is
Speaker 2: actually Daniel, who is inspired by Babe, and he's gonna
Speaker 2: get killed and that's gonna be like a redemption arc
Speaker 2: for him, but not till the end of the season,
Speaker 2: because they just can't help to redeem like a young
Speaker 2: white guy. I think that is likely, and I think
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be sad if it happened.
Speaker 1: Can I I think that I think Daniel is next
Speaker 1: for the white suit. I think I would love that Donofrio.
Speaker 1: How old is Donafrio? Donafrio is not getting any younger folks,
Speaker 1: And I think I'm not saying that we that Wilson
Speaker 1: is for the death list, No, no, no, but I
Speaker 1: am saying that at a certain point, I think Daniel
Speaker 1: might get elevated to the big boys spot.
Speaker 2: I would love that they do play with this whole thing.
Speaker 2: He's the deputy, He's the next in line. I love that, Aaron,
Speaker 2: Who's who's your second most likely to die?
Speaker 5: So I mean you brought up Daniel and I have
Speaker 5: been loving again this show not reminiscent of real life
Speaker 5: in any way, but I have loved watching Fisk's cabinet
Speaker 5: be messy, and I love seeing like because we get
Speaker 5: more time with them and they're not just like faceless goons,
Speaker 5: even even the head of the a VTF who just
Speaker 5: like a gravelly voice all the time. I think that
Speaker 5: Buck is too talented and too good of an agent
Speaker 5: that he's gonna he's gonna wind up going against someone,
Speaker 5: and like I think Bull's Eye will probably take him out.
Speaker 6: So I think Buck is gonna get taken out.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that one. I like that I could
Speaker 2: see it happening. He is very competent that could threaten
Speaker 2: other people in them and just.
Speaker 5: Like Wesley, it's gonna make Fisk mad. Like it'll be
Speaker 5: a go of Season one where Wesley, who I think
Speaker 5: was one of the most interesting characters and one of
Speaker 5: my favorite, like scenes across a dinner table or in
Speaker 5: this case, a table in an abandoned warehouse, I think
Speaker 5: Buck is gonna go out.
Speaker 1: It did leave me wondering if Buck is like secretly
Speaker 1: a spy for mister Charles and Kingpinsill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's definitely giving something intriguing like that, Like that
Speaker 2: was kind of a when he came in that was
Speaker 2: like it felt like a real judgment when he was
Speaker 2: like telling him to do a bad job. It was,
Speaker 2: it was, it was just interesting. Okay, quick fire around Jason. Wait,
Speaker 2: hold on, I was gonna say, that's your lost one, that's.
Speaker 1: Here's my last one. And I think this is a
Speaker 1: long shot, but I'll say this, how many more times
Speaker 1: can Bullsye get arrested and escape? Yeah? How many more
Speaker 1: times can they put him in the Hannibal lecter get
Speaker 1: up and then he fucking gets out? I think not
Speaker 1: many more times to zero more times? And so it
Speaker 1: would not be shocking to me if Bullseye shuffles off
Speaker 1: this mortal coil of the MCU in this season. I agree.
Speaker 2: I also my sadly, my lost one is gonna be
Speaker 2: my good friend Jack. I love him. I think he's
Speaker 2: getting got by someone. He's gonna do something heroic. I
Speaker 2: wanted to be saved by Kate, but he's a side character.
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of gravitask. It would be like,
Speaker 2: we need to see it with the sword one time.
Speaker 3: One time, and Aaron, who's your final Heather, Heather, She's
Speaker 3: gonna she's gonna like, I don't know, maybe we get
Speaker 3: a little come up and where she does become some
Speaker 3: kind of vigilante herself or anti vigilancy vigilanty, and then
Speaker 3: the ATF.
Speaker 5: Takes her out. Maybe, oh that would be really nice.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think Heather's Heather's not gonna last long.
Speaker 5: She's okay, she's I don't want to say overstate her welcome,
Speaker 5: but her character is really pushing into bad waters.
Speaker 1: Can they do? We think there's a chance they were
Speaker 1: like red Coon typhoid Mary into Heather.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, only only because, oh maybe with
Speaker 2: the different personalities. I don't know, Only because Typhoid Mary
Speaker 2: is such like a beloved character at this point, and
Speaker 2: the way that they adapted her, and then like I
Speaker 2: think second or third season of I Am Fist was
Speaker 2: like interesting but didn't really hit. And I think at
Speaker 2: this point Heather is like too obviously evil, whereas type
Speaker 2: of Mary is a more complicated character. Now do I
Speaker 2: think that means they wouldn't do it? I mean no,
Speaker 2: I think that could definitely happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying because of the visions of the hallucinations,
Speaker 1: the hair is similar to the comic version.
Speaker 2: So like the Matt connection, obviously, like Matt loves him,
Speaker 2: but she blames him for what happened to her. It's
Speaker 2: very similar, Jake.
Speaker 1: I'll just say, as watch this space, as you know,
Speaker 1: as mutants become more of a of a reality on
Speaker 1: a on a kind of granular level in the MCU,
Speaker 1: watch if anything catches fire in her presence.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait. This is such a fun episode, Aaron,
Speaker 2: thank you for joining us. Can't wait to talk about it. Well,
Speaker 2: we will be breaking it down weekly for you guys
Speaker 2: who can listen to it as soon as you watch it.
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