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Speaker 1: Warning today's episode Cadat's spoilers for Daredevil Born Again Season two,

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Speaker 1: episode one. It's back, You're back. Hello, and it is

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Speaker 1: Jason Eccepcio and I'm Rosy night and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Extra Vision of the podcast where we dive deep with

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. Coming to

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Speaker 1: you from iHeart. We're bringing you three episodes a week.

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Speaker 2: Pluck news. But today's not news, well unless you count

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Speaker 2: how horny Matt Murdock is his news because he's back

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Speaker 2: and he's still at it. That man will get at

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Speaker 2: it no matter what is going on. We're going to

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Speaker 2: be recapping the unbelievably good first episode. Guys. I we

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Speaker 2: were surprised because we had those expectations for season one,

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Speaker 2: and we were obviously very pleasantly surprised. This is our

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Speaker 2: high quality television program. This is answering a lot of

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Speaker 2: the questions you might have had about certain character dynamics.

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Speaker 2: It's also bringing up the action, the cinematography, the lighting.

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Speaker 2: This looks like prestige television, so we will be doing that.

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Speaker 2: Then we're going to bring in Aaron because we've all

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Speaker 2: got some thoughts. I'm sure quite hilarious. Thoughts on this

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Speaker 2: first episode, and guys, remember to prepare for Avengers Doomsday.

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Speaker 2: Once a month we are highlighting one team more character

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Speaker 2: with an important role in the upcoming movie. Last month,

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Speaker 2: we highlighted the first Avenger Captain America with a fun

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Speaker 2: look back at his history and a debate show with

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Speaker 2: some of our more colorful hot takes. And this week

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Speaker 2: we'll be diving into the team with the most cinematic history,

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Speaker 2: who also happened to be the newest additions to the MCU.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure that you are all going to be

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Speaker 2: so surprised when I say that this is the X Men. Yes,

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Speaker 2: me and Jason will be losing our shit for that one,

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Speaker 2: so you know, tune in.

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Speaker 1: But first, okay, Dear Devil Born Again, Season two, Episode

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Speaker 1: one by Old Bank with the BAB Report talking of

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Speaker 1: the people on the street about New York City in

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Speaker 1: the Fisk Fixed It era, and everything's going great. I

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Speaker 1: have the Here's one thing that you have to say

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Speaker 1: about Wilson Fisk. His program is popular with the people

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Speaker 1: on the street, or at least the people many of

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Speaker 1: the people that the BB Report runs into.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and who interestingly are predominantly people of color. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot. I think there's you know, we

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Speaker 1: can unpack this later. But it's notable. It's not like Wilson.

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Speaker 1: It's not like Wilson. Fisk has no constituency.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: That night, a cargo vessel sails under the Brooklyn Bridge.

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Speaker 1: It is the Northern Star, a nod perhaps to the

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Speaker 1: Lemurian Star from Captain Winter. Thinks, so I like that

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Speaker 1: in which Dary Devil mounts the ship listens to the

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Speaker 2: If you were worried, you don't be getting the Dead

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Speaker 2: Devil violence. You're getting it. You're getting it. It's much

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Speaker 2: less than last season. He's snapping people's arms. People are

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Speaker 2: Not by not obviously, but you don't see some stuff.

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Speaker 1: In the pilot house of the ship, the captain and

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Speaker 1: that to expect Daredevil. They've been warned about this, and

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Speaker 2: Put this I think put distress signalan to kind of

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Speaker 2: But then he managed to find a watch. I was

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Speaker 1: So Daredevil, you know, is down in the hole. He

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Speaker 2: It's a crazy shot. I live by the port, so

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Speaker 2: like the scope of this is crazy, the scale of it,

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Speaker 2: and this is Matt making a huge like fuck you

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Speaker 1: We're gonna discover just the kind of scope of Matt's

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Speaker 1: the martial arts dummy. It's Karen Page. He goes over

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Speaker 1: that just went to the bottom of the East River.

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Speaker 1: What does Fisk need all this hardware for? He wonders,

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Speaker 1: And then there foot and then it's very clear that

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Speaker 2: The best line this I literally note at this line

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Speaker 2: where I was like, he goes, she's like, need any stitches.

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Speaker 2: was a pretty good night then and he goes, could

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Speaker 2: be bad. Okay, Well get it, Matt madog, you are

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Speaker 2: on a one man mission to take that. Willson Fisk like,

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Speaker 2: do you still have time to be fucking? This man

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Speaker 1: Listen, Karen could have in the in the years that

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Speaker 1: she was she never did. It almost happened, but let's

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Speaker 1: face it, these two want to be together. Matt wants

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Speaker 1: to be with a lot of people, but he you know,

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Speaker 1: Karen is in that group, and it was nice to

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Speaker 2: No, it was this is a big moment for comic

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Speaker 1: The classic couple, Yes, I got and Aaron over Matt, Electra,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I like this. It's the o G

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Speaker 2: happy that Karen did not get you know, Frank Miller

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Speaker 2: Matt is stressing her out. So I'm just saying, as

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Speaker 1: You know, It's like when you go home from break

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Speaker 2: It's so warmly shocked to like make it feel romantic.

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Speaker 2: And I will say this is you know.

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Speaker 1: That place smells. It's just like it stinks. It's sweat

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Speaker 2: That's the fucking thirty six chambers like all day, just like,

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Speaker 2: come on, guys, im But I do love Also, I

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Speaker 2: and this rekindling because a lot of these shows, especially

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Dad Evil, they'll open with a

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Speaker 2: They're like, this is the precious, sacred relationship.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's very interesting, but I love it. I love this

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Speaker 1: Fisk gets the news that his Northern Starship has partially

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Speaker 1: He immediately declared terror by the terror Stir Devil, and

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Speaker 1: Daniel says, you got it, boss, I'm gonna put out

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Speaker 1: the press release, Fisk orders Powell, who is now basically

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Speaker 2: Gus Let's let's get let's get slid on this too.

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Speaker 2: Like ever thought that Disney would be made in a

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Speaker 1: Will say we talked here's the thing, so we talked

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Speaker 2: fun superhero show. No political realities. There's realities to your

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Speaker 1: It's a fun superhero show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Fisk orders Powell. The Gregory Bavino of The

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Speaker 1: inevigilaty Task Force.

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Speaker 2: Dog, I want you off.

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Speaker 1: I turn of a current page, and then he orders

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Speaker 2: But you know, if that part of the anti vigilanti

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Speaker 2: and he's like, this is a terrorist attack. He's like,

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Speaker 2: dad devil blah, And like, guys, read the news because

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Speaker 1: Any of the murdered people in the street who were

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Speaker 2: It's like, guys can be they bought like a school.

431
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: Come on ye. Matt tells Cherry about the ship and

432
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: the guns, and Matt and Cherry, it's clear that they

433
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: have one hundred percent trust. Matt puts Cherry on the

434
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: case of the Captain, the first mate, and is just like,

435
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: find that.

436
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: Find these guys, dude, get this Mat a break, honestly, like,

437
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: I'm not even that pro.

438
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Fisk's task force is like full ice. They're running

439
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: rough shot over the city. They go to a Greek restaurant.

440
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: They just be beating up women, punching them in the face,

441
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: just like beating up the owner of the restaurant, whose

442
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: name we don't get I believe in this episode, who

443
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: she calls Powell a fascist to her face and he

444
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 2: just like punches her in the face, punch and he

445
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: just she says, fucking fascist.

446
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: That he's Everybody's gone. At this point, the Captain goes,

447
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: who is being hit here? There's clearly like a you know,

448
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: like an underground railroad situation going on here, and the

449
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: captain goes racing out the back door. The task Force

450
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: corner him, they beat the shit out of him, and

451
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: they bring him in. While apparently some like anti Wilson

452
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: Fisk commercials with a character in a mask and very

453
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: social media quick cut editing have been running online with

454
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: a lot of very fact based anti Wilson Fisk. We'll

455
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: call it propaganda because it's propaganda style video, but it's

456
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: fact based, yeah, And it's running online, and it's clear

457
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: that this is the type of thing that Wilson Fisk

458
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: would be upset about.

459
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So, Jason, who are your bets? Obviously we know

460
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: that Matt and Matt and Karen clearly trust BB enough

461
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: to get her to get real news out there, But

462
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: we've only seen her Wilson Fisk propaganda arm So is

463
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 2: this her or is there gonna be a new antagonist

464
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: for Wilson or is this gonna be like a real

465
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: surprise and it's gonna be Daniel.

466
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: It's her. She's involved in it because she's the one

467
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: who understands this world. She understands the internet and social

468
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: media ecosystems and how to get a message out on

469
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: the internet. So she's involved in some way.

470
00:25:59,080 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.

471
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: Bbe meanwhile, goes to Dan's there's a party going on.

472
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: Why does he have this apartment too? Like that's how

473
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: you know he's corrupt in New York.

474
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna talk about that exactly, and it's very clear.

475
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: And listen, they did a great job immediately clearing up

476
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: what's going on between b B and Dan because Dan

477
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: is like, eh, whoa, where's my hug at? Yeah energy,

478
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: and BB's like, I'm here, Hey, we're hey, I'm just

479
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: here because you know, we're friends and you're having a party.

480
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: He definitely wants to turn things romantic. Okay, He's like bragging,

481
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm Deputy Maya.

482
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: Now look at my expensive mass apartment.

483
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: How do I get this apartment? Well, you know, may

484
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: Fisk got me a deal on it, which is like

485
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: and She's like, are you is that like okay, isn't

486
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: that like corrupt? Or you gotta be careful with that

487
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: shit because you know, like is dirty, probably allegedly, And

488
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: Dana's like, let of it, don't worry about it.

489
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: I will say I did love this interaction because it

490
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: does establish that BB actually does have like some modicum

491
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: of real care at this point. But Dan, even though

492
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: she's using him, because when she said that to him,

493
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: where she's like, you know, if all of this fools

494
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: on your head, like when it comes down, like you

495
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: could really get in trouble, Like there's a bit of

496
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: truth and I think also guilt there. But well, I

497
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: just thought it was a great interaction.

498
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: Let's as we go further. And yes, I will say

499
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: that listen, I think it's a I think, considering the

500
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: fact that like armed thugs are occupying the city of

501
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: New York illegally and like just disappearing people and probably

502
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: killing them, et cetera, I think that what BB is

503
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: doing in that context is okay. But from a journalistic standpoint,

504
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: this is a just you can't do this. This is true.

505
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: You're acting as like the fucking propaganda arm of the

506
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: fascist government at the same time. So I'm like, I

507
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: needed it to be taken him down quick, off Robert

508
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: and making such good propaganda for them.

509
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: So Matt comes to the Greek restaurant to talk to

510
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: the owner and he's like, listen, I'm a lawyer and

511
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, we've discovered that, yes, there is an underground

512
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: railroad situation being run out of this restaurant. He's like,

513
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: I know that you're helping people escape New York City.

514
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: I am Matt Murdoch And immediately she's like, oh, Matt Murdoch.

515
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: And it's clear that Matt Murdoch has juice in the Resistance,

516
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: which is absolutely what the loosely knit organization of different

517
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: actions that are resisting. Wilson Fisk like, it's not necessarily

518
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: an organization, but they call themselves the Resistance. It is

519
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: referred to as the Resistance openly, and she immediately trust him.

520
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: She's like, the Captain was supposed to go to Toronto,

521
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: but the task Force got him. And Matt is like,

522
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: well what about the first officer And she's like, I

523
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: just don't know where he is. Powell is torturing the

524
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: captain because that's what we do now.

525
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: We love to do that. Right to your question, since

526
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: they have introduced a great separate character is with we

527
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: saw the hand in Spider Man, do you think that

528
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: they're gonna try and bring back Electra? And I feel

529
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: like they at least want you to think about.

530
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: Right there, She's coming back. Okay, it's happened. Absolutely, this

531
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: ship is owned by Electra's family.

532
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like this it's gonna be like

533
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: shows up, like yes, it's definitely the Chios family exactly,

534
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: and you're gonna have some like long lost like understanding

535
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: of lectures or something. It feels like that's what that's

536
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: setting off.

537
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: And it's I'm calling it now. This show, this season

538
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: is gonna come to your head with multiple Matt paramounts.

539
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: I agree, I think you should leave this with the Matt,

540
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: the Matt harem. You know he I mean, he's already

541
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: got one, but it could be. Imagine if they brought

542
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: back Night in Us.

543
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: You really, he's going He's going to be living with

544
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: living with Karen in the hideout and fighting on the

545
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: rooftops with Electra, and there's gonna be that magnetism again.

546
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. I just feel it.

547
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can feel it.

548
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: So Powell wants to know, like where the first mate is,

549
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: and Powell is just torturing the fucking ship out of

550
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: this guy. When Buck comes in to play, you think

551
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: the good cop and he's look, oh, you think that

552
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: he's going to tell you anything, we make a coup, No,

553
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: make him, make him a spot of tea? Why did

554
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: you take a break palace? And the captain is like, listen,

555
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: I told I did what I was told to scuttle

556
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: of the ship when darda Will got on and I

557
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know anything, and I don't know anything, and Buck says,

558
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: you got it, you're right. We it's our bag, sorry

559
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: about it. We'll can let you go, and then he

560
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: just shoots the guy in.

561
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: The back, interestingly speaks Greek to him and says like

562
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: cash Buck, you know he's the heat. Maybe try you know.

563
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: But I love that he basically was like I think

564
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: he said something along lines of like may God forgive

565
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: me because you were innocent? Like actually, like he's like,

566
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: none of this is your fault. I thought that was

567
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: a really interesting moment, especially because the brutality of Powell.

568
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: You do feel a moment of relief when Buck comes

569
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: in and you think, well, obviously you know what's gonna

570
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: happen because he's a fucking assassin, but that it's like

571
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: a the way that they play with your emotions and

572
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: your expectations and pull the rug out of you from

573
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 2: under you. In this episode, even with the Matthew Leonard

574
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: character and kind of the approach that he takes. It's

575
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: just really great engaging TV.

576
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: So, uh, Fisk is at dinner with mister Charles and

577
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: Vanessa Alsa happened, and mister Charles is again, this guy

578
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: just swings his dick over. He doesn't give a shit

579
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: about manners, about tangleman. You know, Vanessa and Fisk are

580
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: very genteel people.

581
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's dressed like he's a fucking like Apple summit.

582
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: He's got it. He's like spread out across the chairs,

583
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: slouched down, he's all messy. And Vanessa's like, is this

584
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: like some kind of bit like is this your Is

585
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: this how you do things? You just go around being

586
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: an asshole and that's like your thing? And and Fiscus like,

587
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: you've made.

588
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: My wife bitch? Yeah, because he says he really makes

589
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: this all panded comment, which, by the way, kind of

590
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: like a good thing to ask by. He's like, oh,

591
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: you know, do we can we talk in front of

592
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: the missus?

593
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: And he's like, yeah, how dare you wife.

594
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: Together? My wife's controlled my organization where I.

595
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: Was jail, how dare you? Mister Charles like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

596
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: what's up a bro just to listen. I'm here from

597
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: powers bigger than you, who are pissed about the port

598
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: being all blocked up. Now because of this fucking ship.

599
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: We need to get the thing unblocked so our ships

600
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: can come in.

601
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: It also seems like he was involved in the gun running,

602
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: so he was.

603
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: Clearly liked, so he's allowing it. Well, he's clearly like

604
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: a fixer for whoever is allowing the gun running, which

605
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: who is Valentina? Somehow like they're involved it.

606
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit of Sharon Caught Power Broken too.

607
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: It seems like this some kind of military optimization that

608
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 2: Wilson Fisk is allowing. Now, this could be an anti

609
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: superhero thing for the Department of Damage Control. It's really interesting.

610
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: So Charles is like, listen, let me tell you about logistics,

611
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: because that's what separates the men from the boys. Okay,

612
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: if you want to put an army in the field,

613
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: what are they gonna eat, what are they gonna shoot?

614
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: Where are they going to sleep? I take care of that.

615
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Who's gonna kill him? Off those he's gonna kill him?

616
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: Okay, if uh you know an army of anti uh

617
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: mutant cadres in power suits is hunting the X Men

618
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: or something like what are they going to wipe their

619
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: ass with when when they go to room That's what

620
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: I do, okay, And he's like, listen, have unload all

621
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: the cargo from the ship. One, two after that, kill

622
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: all the guys who unloaded the cargo. What however you

623
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: need to do it, just make sure you do that.

624
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: Fisc is like hesitant.

625
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: He's like, those are my bros. No, But.

626
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the you know, I think he's

627
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: more concerned about him taking the legal hit potentially while

628
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: his partner's big foot him, like he's I'm gonna take

629
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: all the risk while you're not doing anything.

630
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: Right now, he has a personal army, so if he

631
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: kills like the central force of that that he can

632
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: trust with this mission, then he has to rebuild it.

633
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily an emotional response, but it is

634
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: an interesting response. And the thing that I love is

635
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: that mistics like, Okay, then well I can put together

636
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: a little task for a little group of soldiers and

637
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: they can from around the world, which I feel like

638
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: is definitely going to introduce some interesting new characters. And

639
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: then he's like, you know, and we're just do an

640
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: industrial accident. After it happens. There is again a lot

641
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: of acknowledgement here of you know, real life historical ways

642
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: that the governments of many countries have behaved towards their

643
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: own citizens. It's very crazy, and I think that I

644
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: love that Matthew Lillard is using the charm and kind

645
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: of obnoxious like confidence that has often enamored us to him,

646
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: but he's pushing it to a boundary here where it's

647
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: starting You're starting to realize, like, oh, maybe the scariest

648
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: thing is actually a deep character who's fucking competent, Like

649
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: that's actually terrifying.

650
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: Bbe has Dan's apartment cleaned for him after the party,

651
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: and you think, oh, well, how nice. Well the cleaning

652
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 1: guy is a spy ay and has been going through

653
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: all of dan shit, and who knows what they'll find. Meanwhile,

654
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: Karen meets Bbe and they talk about it. Karen is like,

655
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful because if Dan figures out what

656
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: you're up to, like, this is dangerous. I don't think

657
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: you understand how dangerous this is.

658
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: She was also like, do you like him? Do you

659
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: like him? Because she was like that on the record,

660
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: I'd almost like Karen, just because you're fucking the one

661
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: person you want quick, it doesn't mean everyone else is made.

662
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: She's you gotta acknowledge the realities of the situation. I'm

663
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: just saying. So Biebie is like, I'm doing it for

664
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: my uncle Ben Urick.

665
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: Who, by the way, Karen is the fucking reason that

666
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 2: he's dead, Babe.

667
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: She says that She's like, well, you know, just to

668
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: underline how serious this is, Ben is dead and he's

669
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: dead because of me. This is serious business. Like, be careful.

670
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: Heather is at home working her grip, so she's got

671
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: one of those grip exercises, and I gotta tell you,

672
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: Heather's gonna suit up at some point.

673
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: You think, okay, So do you think she's gonna become

674
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: her own crazed vigilante killer or do you think she

675
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: will become like a version of Muse.

676
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: I think she is going to become some sort of

677
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: version of her own anti vigilante vigilante, and potentially it's

678
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: going to involve a lot of choking.

679
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh my gosh, yes, because of what happened

680
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: to Howard Mus. Also, that makes sense because Wilson does

681
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: kind of historically has collected Yeah, super anti superhero superheroes,

682
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: whether it's you know TYPOI, Mary oh Man, I'd love

683
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: for them to bring a good version of feels like

684
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: it could happen for sure, especially another paramore, another Matthewmado paramore.

685
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean complicated one.

686
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: Guys. We gotta we gotta get Heather out of here,

687
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: like call the fucking American Board of Psychiatrists or something,

688
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: get her discard or whatever that version is. Spa. She

689
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: is not spit for purpose, guys. She is doing a

690
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: bad job.

691
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: So she's there, she's working her group, and she's listen

692
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: into the Ducaine evaluation tape where she's like, you do

693
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: you read lumber jad back and sees Hawkman calls the

694
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: you know d a Hawkman and he's like, listen, great

695
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: job on the evaluation of Ducane. But you don't need

696
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: to go through all the stuff. Can you just simply

697
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: write that he is a psycho and whatever else you

698
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: need to say so that we can just like get the.

699
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: I will say. And I did think the funniest thing

700
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: about this was like they want her to basically make

701
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 2: say he's a sociopath, right, But then she she clicked

702
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: that he said that he was, She like, what changed

703
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: the ants away? He said he was possessed, and I

704
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: was like, that's a different kind of insanity. Plea babe.

705
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: But sure, she's not up to it. She's having PTSD,

706
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: she's drinking a lot. She apparently only drinks gray goose.

707
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: I guess she's really into like club culture, and yeah,

708
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: that was a bad move, and the fact that she

709
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: just does it at Hawkman's request is like, fuck it awful.

710
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the do you feel possessed kind of question?

711
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: I forget how she phrases it very weird.

712
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: It's like, do evil spirits possess my body? True or false?

713
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that this is kind of.

714
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: Like that's what she's gonna be. She feels that way.

715
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: It's clear this is projection from her. She's gonna she

716
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: feels that muses is somehow inhabiting her body, and.

717
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: She's gonna's and then she's now gonna use this to

718
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: say Ducane's crazy, he's possessed. It's very interesting. I'm intrigued

719
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: to see where they go with this route, because also

720
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: it does feel like they're doing one of the things

721
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: that could be really emotionally powerful and tough to watch.

722
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: Which is they're taking a character who is relatively like

723
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 2: a goofy, pretty okay character who we knew, for example,

724
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 2: was good to Kate, he was not a bad guy.

725
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: And then they're gonna take him from this really kind

726
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: of fun Ya space and move him. And I think

727
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna see him get absolutely just horrifically demolished through

728
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: this trial. Through this they're saying there's gonna be more

729
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: pull vigilante trials. And I think that we could see

730
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: like a really sad storyline for Duquane. But I will

731
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: say he's in New York. Yeah that's Kate Bishop's x stepdad.

732
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: So maybe we see a little bit of Kate I

733
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: would love to see. I have to come in, you know,

734
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: get him out of some blin Ellie like kind of

735
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: nelly bly situation. But yeah, I had to get her

736
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: out of him. I'm done with it. Just Matt, just killer,

737
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: Just give us some head trauma. Get out. She's an ad.

738
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sick of us. She's she's Jason. She's

739
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: gaslighting people. It's a big Bay prison for life.

740
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: It's it's very, very bad. At the restaurant, the first

741
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: mate is in the alley eating out of a dumpster

742
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: and it's he's come there for help from the owner,

743
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: and though they don't show it, she probably helps him.

744
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's a kind of like it's gonna happen.

745
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Task Force breaks down Cherry's door. They want

746
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: to know why Cherry is looking for the Greeks. They're

747
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: beating him up. Then Matt comes and Matt is beating

748
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: up the Ice agents, which is great but complicate. In fact,

749
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: your Cherry begins to have a heart attack because of

750
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: all the excitement. So but then no, he's okay, and

751
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: Matt it's just like, okay, I'll go back to beating

752
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: the guys up, and he's really having I get comes

753
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: back and Matt gets distracted, and it seems like the

754
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: task Force is First of all, they unmask him and

755
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: realize that it's Matt Murdoch and they're about to beat

756
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: him up and take him in when knives shoot through

757
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: the window and kill everybody.

758
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: And we know that ship Bullseye Baby, Matt, Mada Bullseye

759
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: fucking team up. This is some crazy sad boy shit

760
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: and I cannot white for it. It's like gonna be

761
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: that's just sickening. People are gonna.

762
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: Okay, let's take it. Let's take a quick break, and

763
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: then we'll be back to discuss this episode, and we're back, okay.

764
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: I love the idea of a of a Bullseye Matt

765
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: team up based purely on the fact that they are

766
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: both like, really really mad at Wilson Fists. Yeah, obviously

767
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: like Dex has been through it because of Wilson, who

768
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: is trying to kill it and who has manipulated him

769
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: many many times into committing many many murders. To be fair,

770
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: that Dex is absolutely forget the fact that he's probably

771
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: insane like committed and is responsible for but Wilson Fisk

772
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: absolutely like exploited his existing MELA issues and now Dex

773
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: is clearly murderously mad at him, and I think appears

774
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: to be genuinely not in a set mad up to

775
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: die way. I think he's genuinely helping Matt because he

776
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: wants to piss off.

777
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: Wilson Yeah, and potentially team up with him. So I

778
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: am really excited to pursue that. Let's introduce super producer

779
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 2: Aaron so he can ask us his biggest questions coming

780
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: out of this episode and give us some of his

781
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: hot takes. What do you think about a bulls Eye

782
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: Matt team up Aaron Deuce. Is that something you're interested

783
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: in seeing? You want to see the two killers together?

784
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 5: Of course, well not two killers. I just think it's

785
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 5: so great. Matt has the best luck. Anytime he doesn't

786
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 5: want to get his hands dirty, he gets a teammate

787
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 5: who's totally willing to do all the dirty work, and

788
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 5: Matt can can shake his head and say, oh, true,

789
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 5: actually don't kill anyone, and then turn around and Verry

790
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 5: Batman code Bill's Yeah it was. Yeah, I did have

791
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 5: a there was a small part of me that was

792
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 5: really hoping Jessica was going to save him at the

793
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 5: end of this episode, just so that we got to

794
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 5: Jessica sooner. But this was a great way to end it.

795
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 5: And I love Bullseye like almost taunting Matt with the

796
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 5: message of the dagger at the end.

797
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 6: I love that.

798
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't it's not some sudden turnaround that doesn't

799
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: make sense, but we can understand that the fisk of

800
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 2: it all is the big thing that is going to

801
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: unite them. And I'm assuming this is my big theory

802
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: coming out of the end of this season. I think

803
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: by the end Matt Bullseye, all the girls, Wilson Fisk,

804
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: They're probably going to have realized that whatever mister Charles

805
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: represents or whatever is coming is a bigger threat. I

806
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: think this is leading us to that brand new day

807
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: unexpected allies kind of vibes that we'll be getting into there.

808
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: My question is, how does Matt Murdoch, his identity as

809
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: Daredevil being widely known now it's fisk new, but yeah,

810
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: Fisk is they have a weird relationship like that's lostic,

811
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: but also very intimate in a bizarre way, where they

812
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: respect each other and respect certain aspects of each of

813
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: their personal lives, and they like.

814
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: To be in there weird bey together. It's very Batman

815
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: Joker coda.

816
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 1: It's very strange, right, But now the task Force knows

817
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: that Matt Murdoch is Daredevil, and I think at least

818
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: it's plausible that at least some of them survived the

819
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: Bullseye attack. I wonder how this will play out in

820
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: the future and then if we get you know, Matt

821
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: has been revealed to be Daredevil several times in the comics,

822
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: and it's been complicated for him. There's been times that

823
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: he's had to go underground. There's been times that he's

824
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: like popped back up and been like, oh, that old

825
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, Daredevil, give me a fucking break where a

826
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: Bullseye has like or other people dressed as Daredevil, like

827
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: Iron Fist dressed as Daredevil have helped Matt get the

828
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: stink off of him, so to speak, to make it

829
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: seem like that there's actually a Daredevil running around while

830
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: Matt like is having dinner or something, so that they

831
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: can be like, oh, look, I wonder if they will

832
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: do that, and who the person, if it will be

833
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: Bullseye if they indeed, Oh, Jason, I think that's such

834
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: a good call, right, I think it's probably identification, even

835
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: if they just did it like halfway through the season

836
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really matter.

837
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna lie. The quality of this

838
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: first episode really has me believing that it could be

839
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: a true tie in to Spider Man, which I also

840
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: am very interested in because Spider Man is really with

841
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: Brand New Day, going to be the first time that

842
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: we truly have something that directly connects to what happened

843
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: in a major movie in a really major way in

844
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: a long time. With Peter Parker's identity being gone. So yeah,

845
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: I could definitely see a kind of big event happening

846
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 2: at the end of this that directly ties in, especially

847
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: with the punisher of it all. Aaron, what were your

848
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: biggest like worries coming into this episode and this kind

849
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: of season as a whole.

850
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, well, one of the things that I think,

851
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if this was I had this necessarily beforehand,

852
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 5: but while watching this one, I thought it was really

853
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 5: interesting because so much of the show previously Netflix and

854
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 5: last season have been Matt trying to balance both sides

855
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 5: of his life. He's trying to be a lawyer, he's

856
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 5: trying to be a vigilanty, he's not telling people, he

857
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 5: is telling people. What does that do to his ability

858
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 5: to be a good partner to Foggy? And in this

859
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 5: episode so far, he's not Matt anymore. He's fully daredevil

860
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 5: and we don't have him balancing that. And at first

861
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 5: as we were going through as I'm going through the episode,

862
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 5: I was like, this, I'm missing that inner turmoil. But

863
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 5: it allows us to focus so much more on these

864
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 5: other characters. We're getting a lot of active BB stuff.

865
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 5: Boebe is not just like some tertiary character. Bbe has

866
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 5: multiple things here with different people, all these interconnecting storylines.

867
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: We're getting Karen is training on the wing chun dummy, Like, yeah,

868
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 5: maybe Karen can wear the Daredevil suit.

869
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 6: At some point, I was.

870
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: Wondering if, well, in the recent comics, in the Chip

871
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: Zadovsky stuff, they have a character to become Dad Evil,

872
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: which was really cool, another potential option for someone that

873
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: could put on the suit. Yeah, I agree, Aaron. I've

874
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: really loved how they're using Bebe. I really like how

875
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 2: they're using Karen. I'm not gonna lie I am. I'm

876
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: a feared for Karen and her new like action packed

877
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: life with her wigs and her kind of like black

878
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: eye makeup. It's voting badly for her health. But no,

879
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I also think I really want

880
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: them to lean into McDuffie, at least doing one of them,

881
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: like just doing the Duquine trial by herself. Obviously, we

882
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: know there's probably gonna be a moment where that mother

883
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: fucker walks in with his flake blind cane and his

884
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: little red sunglasses and yeah, so like, I am very

885
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: interested in that element and whether or not we'll get

886
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: more of the legal battle side from Kirsten until we

887
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: can get i mean Kristin, until we can get Matt

888
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: back in the courtroom, which is obviously just going to

889
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 2: be for some show moment at the end because he can't.

890
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: There's no way he can.

891
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: They're not getting arrested.

892
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 1: He can't lawyer right now, that's like impossible, there's no way.

893
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: But you can't have him in that suit for one

894
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: minute at least.

895
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: What do we think the odds are? Because remember, I

896
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: think probably the longest stretch that somebody pretended to be

897
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: Daredevil was Danny Rand the Iron Fist pretended to be

898
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: Daredevil while Matt was known to be you know, was

899
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: while his idea and Danny had been outed as Daredevil

900
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: in order to kind of you know, throw people off,

901
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Danny Rand come back.

902
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 2: What do we think, Oh my god, Actually, Jason, that's

903
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: probably the only way they could do it that people

904
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't hate is if they had him come back. Simply

905
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 2: they were like, I know a guy who's the same size,

906
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: and then they have Danny come back and he wears

907
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: the suit and he does it for an episode or something.

908
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: Because I might worry is if you let bulls Eye

909
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: do it that he'd kill fifteen people exactly. Now it's

910
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: a mass murderer.

911
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 2: And though honestly that happens a lot to Dead Devil,

912
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: like he's alway the brand or he is also like

913
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: killing people like on.

914
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 5: That boat at the end of last week. I do

915
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 5: want to point out at the end of last week

916
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 5: both Eladie Young and Finn posted workout clips and things

917
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 5: in the gym, and and they're currently filming season three

918
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 5: right now, so it is.

919
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 2: Very you know, don't believe it. I mean they're putting

920
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 2: out After we watched like rewatch Jessica Jones and had

921
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: that conversation, like both us and also the Discord were

922
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: kind of like, wait a minute, is this shit really good?

923
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: Like I think it's really good. Like no, it's good

924
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: to you know, because they went back to Jessica Jones

925
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: they watched it and they were like, oh, actually, this

926
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: is great TV. Like, so I think if they could

927
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: do some kind of you know, give that funny you

928
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: maybe you even get a crazy Dead Evil action scene

929
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: cold open and then he pulls off the mask and

930
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: at Danny rand or something like that could be it

931
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: would be grinded. Come on, I think that could be

932
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: a Trevis Slattery level reimagining. I really love that called Jason,

933
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: what who do you think his end game by the

934
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: end of this season or is Matt single and alone again? Jason?

935
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: I think Matt is single, alone again, and I think

936
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: at the I believe that at the end of this episode,

937
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: Matt will will either be on the run or trying

938
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: to live his life fully as Matt Murdoch in order

939
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: to avoid the linkage with Darteil. I think thank him

940
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: to San Francisco. We've seen some you could do that.

941
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: I think season three will be all about Matt Murdoch

942
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: trying to be like dir what what who?

943
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: Also what that Iley line what whosoops who? That could

944
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: lean very heavily into like the original version of this

945
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: show that was going to be more like lawyer focused

946
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: if they did. But yeah, that that could have been

947
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: really interesting. Aaron, you had a great question, and I'm

948
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: gonna pose it to you so you can give us

949
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 2: your thesis. Is Matt Murdoch the MCU's greatest heart breaker

950
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: or Marvel's greatest heart breakerp what do you believe?

951
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 5: Mc wise one hundred percent? I think early early Tony

952
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 5: had a shot. I mean Tony was was doing it.

953
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 5: But I think Matt's secret weapon is he's not super popular,

954
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 5: so he's not a worldwide superhero.

955
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 6: He is self contained to New York and so he

956
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 6: can he can.

957
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 5: Get away, yeah, whereas like you know, Captain America can't.

958
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 5: He's too big a name daredevil. He's still like in

959
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 5: the shadows a little. I think one hundred percent. And look,

960
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 5: having been before pandemic, I used to go to the

961
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 5: same yoga studio as Charlie.

962
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 6: I would see him there all the time.

963
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: You about to tell us you were like, Okay, tell

964
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: us more.

965
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 5: But I used to see Charlie like doing yoga all

966
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 5: the time. And I can tell you he is in person,

967
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 5: the nicest person ever, but also incredibly jacked and and

968
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 5: like we've seen it in previous seasons, he looks great.

969
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 5: And I think he is one hundred percent Marvel's greatest heartbreaker.

970
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 2: I would agree with you. I can't think of many

971
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: other people with such prolific romancing because like, obviously the

972
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: X Men are very messy, we're gonna get into that

973
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: and not big X Men impending doomsday episode. But I

974
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: do think, like if you just look at the amount

975
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: of people that Matt Murdoch FUCKX who then end up

976
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: like dead or you know, go lives going badly or

977
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: just broken up with him. He is on like a

978
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: Batman level of numbers at this point.

979
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: Well, I need to I need to push back a

980
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: little bit. Okay, wants a heartbreaker? Oh Ida, nobody actually

981
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: walks away feeling bad?

982
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: No, Like true, he's a good lover apparently.

983
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean everybody, here's the thing about Matt Murdoch.

984
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: You mentioned Steve Rogers, Like, here's the problem with Steve

985
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Steve Rodgers gonna love bomb you and be

986
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: like let's get start talking about kids and ship and

987
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: it's second date, you know, Like right away, Matt Murdoch

988
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: understands what the score is. Matt Murdock is down for

989
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: whatever you are down for exactly what of this? What

990
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: do you want to do?

991
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 5: Like?

992
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: Do you want a two week thing? Do you want

993
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: like a monogamous thing.

994
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: Do you want a passionate, violent thing?

995
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: Do you want a one night thing? Like He's good

996
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 1: for all of it. So I actually reject the idea

997
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: that anybody's heart is getting bro Karen a little bit

998
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: because of that. They grew up together basically you know

999
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like they they were young people starting

1000
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: out in the world and kind of grew as professional

1001
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: people and young professionals together. So it's like a different

1002
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: situation there. But everybody else is like they got exactly

1003
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: what they wanted out of the Matt relationship. He's not

1004
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: He's not tricking anybody.

1005
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: He has a lot of friends. Who has exes both

1006
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: Heba Glenn did not get what she wanted out of

1007
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: that thing.

1008
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 1: Was a bad agree. But that's a bad choice by Matt.

1009
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: That was Matt Heather.

1010
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: Heather can't be honest with herself, Like how is she

1011
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: gonna be honess relationship?

1012
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

1013
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 5: Okay, guys, Matt, Matt is the one most likely to

1014
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 5: be on field.

1015
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 6: I think he can. He can truly spin his weares there,

1016
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 6: I think.

1017
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, wait, I go to ask you Bullpark number,

1018
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: Matt Matt buddy count.

1019
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, from from high school to college.

1020
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying like two hundred plus.

1021
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, oh, I think it might be and

1022
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: I think it might actually could be crazy. I think

1023
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: just because of the fact listen erin.

1024
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 2: Like Jason said one one night stand two weeks Like yeah,

1025
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: he's flexible college.

1026
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: Imagine like freshman year of college. Like, imagine being able

1027
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: to walk into any party, any bar, any room and

1028
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: know immediately who you have chemistry with. Be like, oh,

1029
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: I felt her heart jump over there. Let me just

1030
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: like go over to that.

1031
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 2: Side and accidentally knock into them with whoop.

1032
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: So I'm blind, Oh my god, I'm like, oh, can

1033
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: you help me? I don't worry.

1034
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 2: How do I how do you know?

1035
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: Like? And I and I just think he fucking cleaned up,

1036
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: and I think it could be in the hundreds. I

1037
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: think it absolutely could be.

1038
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 6: I do.

1039
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 5: He also is just eternally charming, so I think that

1040
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 5: he would always get it.

1041
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like, even if we just think

1042
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: of the people we know he had sex within the MCU,

1043
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: at least ten people, so that's like just like if

1044
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: we actually think outside of that she because he had

1045
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: sex with he had sex with Rosario Dawson, he had

1046
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: sex with Electra head A, Glenn Karen Page. There's definitely others. Wait,

1047
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: hold on a few seasons.

1048
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: We can redcon it too, Natasha, I think it is

1049
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: definitely canonically in the comics. They fucked a lot, so

1050
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: I they should figure out a way to re con that.

1051
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 5: Matt, because actually what happened in Budapest was that they

1052
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 5: met in Budapest exactly.

1053
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: Oh Matt, we love you, Okay, I mean like you

1054
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: know there's support typhoid Mary, Yeah, you know if.

1055
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 1: You exist and Night Night Nurse, like it's it's out there.

1056
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,959
Speaker 1: So that's like just and that's so we're saying, let's

1057
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: call it a Disney property, even though a lot happened

1058
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: in the in Netflix, Okay, but it's a Disney property canonically,

1059
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: in a Disney property, Matt Murdock's Disney body count is

1060
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: like approaching ten.

1061
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: Exactly who else is idiot tunnels that there's just don't

1062
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: they had sex one time? Like this is the thing

1063
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: is like everyone has you have you know, Tony has

1064
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: had sex with women, but it was like Matt, like

1065
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: Matt Maddock Fox, Tony Stock is like a collector of things.

1066
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: He rarely heard any sleep with like three people, even.

1067
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: The extremely problematic like early Tony, when you like really

1068
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: look at it, canonically, it's still like only two or

1069
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: three before he marries his Right, there's the reporter in

1070
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: was it the first one? Right, So there's the reporter

1071
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: in Iron Man one and then there's Pepper.

1072
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like it's not like a massive No,

1073
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Speaker 2: there's like there's like acknowledgments to it. But it's not

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Speaker 2: like Matt Murdock is like he is getting at every opportunity.

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00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: He is mad, getting mad that Ali cat. We love him,

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00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: we support it. I love that he seems to make

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Speaker 2: his lovers feel good, so I support that too, like

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Speaker 2: good pam. Okay, wait, guys, other big questions. Jason watched

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Speaker 2: your Wildest Speculation around Miss Charles. No, no, I was

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00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: gonna say, I think Danny rand reappearing in the.

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Speaker 1: Pretty crazy, right, I want to be so right, But

1082
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: my mister Charles, you know, I think mister Charles is

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00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: I think he is a valin Tina lieutenant. I think

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00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: that it's unclear to me right now what is going

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00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: on and why the arms. I'm not sure all the

1086
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: arms are for Fisk, but it's clear that Valentina is

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00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: bringing in hardware and gear that she needs to to

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Speaker 1: bring into the port there, and so what is that

1089
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: stuff going to be? Wild guess? I mean you mentioned

1090
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: power Broker. Are we going to start supering up people?

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00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: Like?

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00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: Is it going to be massive gallons and that's illegal

1093
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: super soldier. Is it going to be power suits for

1094
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: her like anti uh powered Wonder.

1095
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 2: Against superheroes.

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Speaker 5: Basically, I have I want to have one wild take

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Speaker 5: that I'm almost positive will not be the case. But

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Speaker 5: they made a point to multiple times with mister Charles

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Speaker 5: focus on his hand with the ring, and so I

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00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 5: was like, is he connected to Shanci's sister in the

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Speaker 5: ten Rings?

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Speaker 6: Like is he actually working?

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Speaker 5: And maybe they're the ones running guns through the port

1104
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Speaker 5: like and Valentine is connected in some way too.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be the case, I know,

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Speaker 2: but I love that. I also did think as well,

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Speaker 2: something that that's really great point, Aaron, because I forgot

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Speaker 2: to note this down. I also do wonder if they're

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Speaker 2: setting him up to kind of try and take over

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Speaker 2: from Fisk, because it's a very Fisk thing, like and

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Speaker 2: not I don't think they would do that, but like

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Speaker 2: him try and take over because the whole like his

1113
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: ring clicking on the glass. Now, I will say Fisk

1114
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: did look very upset when he saw him. So there

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01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: is also some kind of personal history potential there too,

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01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: and we could find that maybe they were not like brothers,

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01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: but maybe they were. I feel like there's a they

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01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: want to show the similarities in some of the ways

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: that they move while also showing us the difference is

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Speaker 2: between that kind of nouveau like stealth wealth and then

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01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: like the way that Wilson and Vanessa act, which is

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01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: very like old school eloquent wealth.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's clear that part of it too,

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Speaker 1: is like whoever Charles is working for. They feel like

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Speaker 1: Wilson is small.

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Speaker 2: Time, right, that's scary.

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01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: He's a he's a regional guy. He's a regional power

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Speaker 1: and local awards. He's a you know, local mafia figure

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01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: in New York City who's become mayor blah blah blah,

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,479
Speaker 1: like not actually a threat to them or somebody who

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01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: they need to take seriously at the level they are at,

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Speaker 1: which is very interesting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that.

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01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 5: I love like you're the head of the snake and

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01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 5: it's barely worth my time to be here. I'm sitting down,

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01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 5: I'm insulting your wife at the table, I'm talking about

1137
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 5: euro king like I'm I'm I could barely.

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01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 6: Be bothered to be here. Yeah, you are nothing. I

1139
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 6: love that.

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01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: I love that too. And Ian put a great note

1141
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: in the chat. It's like the world's bigger than New York.

1142
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: Like when we watch this show, it's like New York,

1143
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: New York, and this is the most high stake shit.

1144
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: But to him, he's like, who cares? Like we got

1145
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: so much many other irons in the fire, you know. Okay, guys,

1146
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: let's start our official dead Devil Deadpool.

1147
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: Who do we.

1148
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 2: Expect to live or die this season? Who is it?

1149
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: Number one, two, and three for deaths for each other?

1150
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: Well, number one is Karen Page. I'm giving. I'm giving.

1151
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm giving, Like you know, I'm giving. What is the

1152
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred dollars gets you ten dollars that

1153
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: Karen Page should die? I feel like it's one hundred.

1154
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: She is dying sadly. I think it's true. All right, Rosie,

1155
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: that's that's your first choice too. I'm a Karen too,

1156
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: what's your first my first choice? I'm so sorry.

1157
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 5: But he like was only on screen three times, and

1158
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 5: every single time he made a point to mention that

1159
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 5: he's retired.

1160
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 6: It's Cherry. I think Cherry's not gonna make it.

1161
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cherry's had two heart attacks.

1162
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, one episode yeah, true, true, He's not having

1163
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: a good time Jason, who's your second?

1164
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: Oh God, Vanessa, she's run her course, hasn't She has?

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01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: She is unless there is something that she is plotting

1166
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: or scheming, some other thing that she's running it. There

1167
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: were hints of that in season one, right where she

1168
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: was kind of building up her own power base and

1169
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: maintaining it and doing the street level stuff, and maybe

1170
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: she thinks, you know, this whole thing with Wilson has

1171
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: run its course. They suggested that. I think in season one,

1172
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: unless we get hints of some other thing, I think

1173
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: Vanessa's kind of run her course. Yeah.

1174
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: I think you make a good point. Also as well,

1175
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: we know that Bullseye feels like she is equally as

1176
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: you know, endangered his life and his mental health and

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01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 2: his you know life is the non assassin. So yeah,

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01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: I think that's true. I'm gonna go I think Daniel,

1179
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 2: I love that act, but I have to say, this

1180
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: is my this is my long rate son of Gandafini,

1181
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: and he's killing it. I want them to continue this

1182
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 2: kind of Doge esque which, by the way, at the

1183
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 2: time again felt so fucking pressy. And I love this plotline,

1184
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: but I am I do know the MCU, I do

1185
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: know the world. I believe this is my long I

1186
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: think they're gonna reveal that the king pin Leka is

1187
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 2: actually Daniel, who is inspired by Babe, and he's gonna

1188
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: get killed and that's gonna be like a redemption arc

1189
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: for him, but not till the end of the season,

1190
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: because they just can't help to redeem like a young

1191
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: white guy. I think that is likely, and I think

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01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be sad if it happened.

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01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: Can I I think that I think Daniel is next

1194
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: for the white suit. I think I would love that Donofrio.

1195
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: How old is Donafrio? Donafrio is not getting any younger folks,

1196
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: And I think I'm not saying that we that Wilson

1197
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: is for the death list, No, no, no, but I

1198
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: am saying that at a certain point, I think Daniel

1199
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: might get elevated to the big boys spot.

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01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: I would love that they do play with this whole thing.

1201
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: He's the deputy, He's the next in line. I love that, Aaron,

1202
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: Who's who's your second most likely to die?

1203
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 5: So I mean you brought up Daniel and I have

1204
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 5: been loving again this show not reminiscent of real life

1205
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 5: in any way, but I have loved watching Fisk's cabinet

1206
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 5: be messy, and I love seeing like because we get

1207
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 5: more time with them and they're not just like faceless goons,

1208
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 5: even even the head of the a VTF who just

1209
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 5: like a gravelly voice all the time. I think that

1210
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 5: Buck is too talented and too good of an agent

1211
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 5: that he's gonna he's gonna wind up going against someone,

1212
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 5: and like I think Bull's Eye will probably take him out.

1213
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 6: So I think Buck is gonna get taken out.

1214
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that one. I like that I could

1215
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 2: see it happening. He is very competent that could threaten

1216
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: other people in them and just.

1217
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 5: Like Wesley, it's gonna make Fisk mad. Like it'll be

1218
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 5: a go of Season one where Wesley, who I think

1219
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 5: was one of the most interesting characters and one of

1220
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 5: my favorite, like scenes across a dinner table or in

1221
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 5: this case, a table in an abandoned warehouse, I think

1222
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 5: Buck is gonna go out.

1223
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: It did leave me wondering if Buck is like secretly

1224
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: a spy for mister Charles and Kingpinsill.

1225
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's definitely giving something intriguing like that, Like that

1226
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: was kind of a when he came in that was

1227
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: like it felt like a real judgment when he was

1228
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: like telling him to do a bad job. It was,

1229
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: it was, it was just interesting. Okay, quick fire around Jason. Wait,

1230
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: hold on, I was gonna say, that's your lost one, that's.

1231
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: Here's my last one. And I think this is a

1232
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: long shot, but I'll say this, how many more times

1233
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: can Bullsye get arrested and escape? Yeah? How many more

1234
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: times can they put him in the Hannibal lecter get

1235
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: up and then he fucking gets out? I think not

1236
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: many more times to zero more times? And so it

1237
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: would not be shocking to me if Bullseye shuffles off

1238
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: this mortal coil of the MCU in this season. I agree.

1239
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: I also my sadly, my lost one is gonna be

1240
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 2: my good friend Jack. I love him. I think he's

1241
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: getting got by someone. He's gonna do something heroic. I

1242
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: wanted to be saved by Kate, but he's a side character.

1243
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of gravitask. It would be like,

1244
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: we need to see it with the sword one time.

1245
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: One time, and Aaron, who's your final Heather, Heather, She's

1246
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 3: gonna she's gonna like, I don't know, maybe we get

1247
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: a little come up and where she does become some

1248
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 3: kind of vigilante herself or anti vigilancy vigilanty, and then

1249
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 3: the ATF.

1250
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 5: Takes her out. Maybe, oh that would be really nice.

1251
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think Heather's Heather's not gonna last long.

1252
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 5: She's okay, she's I don't want to say overstate her welcome,

1253
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 5: but her character is really pushing into bad waters.

1254
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: Can they do? We think there's a chance they were

1255
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: like red Coon typhoid Mary into Heather.

1256
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 2: I don't think so, only only because, oh maybe with

1257
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 2: the different personalities. I don't know, Only because Typhoid Mary

1258
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: is such like a beloved character at this point, and

1259
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: the way that they adapted her, and then like I

1260
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: think second or third season of I Am Fist was

1261
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 2: like interesting but didn't really hit. And I think at

1262
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 2: this point Heather is like too obviously evil, whereas type

1263
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 2: of Mary is a more complicated character. Now do I

1264
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 2: think that means they wouldn't do it? I mean no,

1265
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: I think that could definitely happen.

1266
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying because of the visions of the hallucinations,

1267
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: the hair is similar to the comic version.

1268
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: So like the Matt connection, obviously, like Matt loves him,

1269
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: but she blames him for what happened to her. It's

1270
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: very similar, Jake.

1271
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: I'll just say, as watch this space, as you know,

1272
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: as mutants become more of a of a reality on

1273
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: a on a kind of granular level in the MCU,

1274
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: watch if anything catches fire in her presence.

1275
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 2: I like that.

1276
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: I like that.

1277
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait. This is such a fun episode, Aaron,

1278
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 2: thank you for joining us. Can't wait to talk about it. Well,

1279
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 2: we will be breaking it down weekly for you guys

1280
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 2: who can listen to it as soon as you watch it.

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01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: On the next episode of Extra Vision, we'll continuing our

1282
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: march towards Doctor Doom and Doomsday with our X Men

1283
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: episode of Impending Doomsday. That's it for this episode. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening. X Ray Vision is hosted by Jasoncepcion and

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Speaker 1: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and Heidi,

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Speaker 2: our discord moderator,