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Speaker 1: Eric Gallen here in Flora Park, New Jersey. Brian Baldinger
Speaker 1: out on the West Coast in California. Baldi Howard things
Speaker 1: in l A, Well, it's you know, Championship Sunday week,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's a it's all football all the time.
Speaker 1: And we're right now just kind of breaking the game
Speaker 1: down and talking about the storylines. Is Patrick mahomes ankle
Speaker 1: gonna hold I mean, all the stuff. So it's great
Speaker 1: because it's it's just all football right now. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I prefer. Hey, the Jets are
Speaker 1: still in the news though, Baldi. How about yesterday Pro
Speaker 1: Football Writers Association naming Sauce Gardner in the two thousand
Speaker 1: two NFL Rookie of the Year, did the Defensive Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year and ed Garrett Wilson offensive Rookie. There
Speaker 1: I was. It was a great draft class. You know,
Speaker 1: if Priests stayed healthy all year, maybe he would have
Speaker 1: been somewhere in the mix as well. But it's just
Speaker 1: just credit credit to uh, you know, Joe Douglas and
Speaker 1: their drafting. They felt like they got, you know, the
Speaker 1: best corner. They felt like they got the best receiver
Speaker 1: in the draft, and they showed it. But it's also
Speaker 1: the mentality that we all saw from Sauce, the first
Speaker 1: one on the field every single day, this preparation. Uh,
Speaker 1: it showed in the games and then you know, all
Speaker 1: the way to that you know, Week eighteen game in
Speaker 1: Miami where Garrett Wilson might have been you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know Tyreek and Jayalen Wattle war on the field,
Speaker 1: but he might have been the best receiver on the
Speaker 1: field that day. Man, what a compliment. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: great yards receiving despite playing with four different quarterbacks. Outstanding
Speaker 1: year for the rookie from Ohio State. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: fast forward to February nine. NFL honors a couple of
Speaker 1: days before the Super Bowl. Associated Press will name the
Speaker 1: offensive rookie here, then all the defensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 1: Let's start on offense. Garrett Wilson is a finalist, as
Speaker 1: is Kenneth Walker and Brock Purdy. What do you think
Speaker 1: about Wilson's chances? I know, Purty plays quarterback Baldi and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to disparage anything he's done this year,
Speaker 1: but the dude only played, I believe, in seven regular
Speaker 1: season games. Well he started the last seven games, including
Speaker 1: the playoff game, and he's played in eight games. But
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard not to take Brock Purty. I mean,
Speaker 1: nothing against uh, what we just talked about with Garrett
Speaker 1: and what he did all year long and with four
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and nothing against Kenneth Walker and all the way
Speaker 1: up into a playoff loss where he was awesome, um
Speaker 1: and taken over you know, the starting role, you know,
Speaker 1: early in the season. But Brock Purdy has been This
Speaker 1: offense has never been this effective in San Francisco ever
Speaker 1: since he took over. And I think a big reason
Speaker 1: why they're on the doorstep of you know, this Champions
Speaker 1: Sunday in the doorstep to this Bowl is because of
Speaker 1: Rock Party. And it's gonna be hard, She's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to overlook what he has accomplished. I mean, because
Speaker 1: it was something for a while he was it was
Speaker 1: the system. It's a town around him and all that
Speaker 1: is true, but he's making this thing work and nobody
Speaker 1: could have predicted. I mean, it looks like Robert Redford
Speaker 1: at the Natural be honest with you, like nobody could
Speaker 1: have ever seen this coming. Everybody kept waiting for the
Speaker 1: shoe to drop. And I don't think it's gonna drop.
Speaker 1: Maybe in Philadelphia does on Sunday, but you know that
Speaker 1: would even surprise me if it does. The way he's
Speaker 1: playing the bois So as much as I would want
Speaker 1: to give it to Garrett on you know, the night
Speaker 1: of the Honors, I kind of think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to overlook Rock Party. The way he's like sometimes
Speaker 1: it's how you finish e A and the way he's
Speaker 1: finishing right now. Like you, Cameron say, okay, well he
Speaker 1: didn't play in the first you know, ten games, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: there's last The last eight games has been unbelievable. All right,
Speaker 1: So props do you for dropping the Natural reference and
Speaker 1: Robert Redford everybody loves him again. Hey, listen, Party has
Speaker 1: been really good, no doubt about that. And he's playing
Speaker 1: at the most important position in all professional sports. Uh
Speaker 1: my vote. You can call me a homer, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm at one Jets Drive. I give it to Wilson
Speaker 1: because what he did the eleven yards receiving. Again, three
Speaker 1: different starting quarterbacks this year, the Jets played four in all.
Speaker 1: In like your point there at the end that game
Speaker 1: against Miami, when the Dolphins had everything on the line,
Speaker 1: you could have made the argument that the best receiver
Speaker 1: on the field that day, in fact, was Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1: How about defensive rookie of the Year Sauce Gardner up
Speaker 1: against Aidan Hutchinson, very impressive rookie himself who played with
Speaker 1: the Lions this year. And then the late round five
Speaker 1: fine from the Seattle Seahawks, Treke Wallan. Yeah, well, Toreck
Speaker 1: wall and tied for the league leading interceptions like he was,
Speaker 1: legit and to me as good as Anton Hutchinson was.
Speaker 1: You know, their defense was not really very good for
Speaker 1: much of the year and a l o Aiden had
Speaker 1: a good season and played hard, and they got probably
Speaker 1: the best pass rusher now, you know, in the draft,
Speaker 1: I mean just from the statistic standpoint, But I gotta
Speaker 1: give it to Sauce. I gotta give it to Sauce
Speaker 1: because he led the league in pass his defense. Uh,
Speaker 1: he played every snap basically, Um, you know, he tackled. Well,
Speaker 1: he's up there with you know leading tacklers with the Jets. Um,
Speaker 1: he played zone, he played man, He went up against
Speaker 1: the league's best receivers. I don't care if it was
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase, you name a guy, and you know, he
Speaker 1: kept him out of the end zone all year. Like,
Speaker 1: I just think he's as and Tarik was awesome, but
Speaker 1: their defense wasn't like the Jets defense. So I think,
Speaker 1: you know, from a standpoint of how he helped fix
Speaker 1: the back end of the Jets defense, DJ read and
Speaker 1: the other side was really good. The pass rush obviously
Speaker 1: was fierce. UM, but I I gotta give it to Sauce.
Speaker 1: I believe that he is what a defensive rookie the
Speaker 1: year should look like. And it's not because he plays
Speaker 1: in New York and Tuik plays in Seattle or Aidan
Speaker 1: plays in Detroit, you know, smaller markets Like I just
Speaker 1: think watching all of these guys, you know week in
Speaker 1: week out that the most consistent player was Sauce. And
Speaker 1: there were games when he you know, we talked about it,
Speaker 1: those games where he did not get targeted, like they
Speaker 1: didn't throw at him once, you know, and so uh,
Speaker 1: everybody wants more interceptions and all that those things will
Speaker 1: come like, you're gonna have years where you have two,
Speaker 1: and you canna have years where you gonna have eight,
Speaker 1: you know, or more. That happens to every cornerback. I
Speaker 1: don't care. Xavian Howard had ten last year, he had
Speaker 1: one or two this year. It happens. It's just the
Speaker 1: nature of the cornerback position. I just think that sauce
Speaker 1: Um to me, should be the recipient of this award. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could make the argument that he was the top
Speaker 1: cornerback in the National Football League this year, not just
Speaker 1: a defensive Rookie of the Year, but maybe he was
Speaker 1: the top cornerback out of everybody. But if you didn't
Speaker 1: know he was a rookie, you wouldn't you wouldn't know
Speaker 1: that he was a rookie, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like he played like a veteran corner, a great veteran corner,
Speaker 1: but like not many guys you know, have sauce size, length, speed,
Speaker 1: makeup speed, poise, eyes, like tackling. Like there's very few
Speaker 1: players in this whole league that has the combination of
Speaker 1: skills and talent that he has. Let's go from elite
Speaker 1: cornerback to elite cornerback. Darrell Reevs one of five first
Speaker 1: time finalists eligible for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Reeves career numbers twenty five interceptions, a hundred and twelve
Speaker 1: p ds. UH. He was also a four time first
Speaker 1: team All Pro seven time Pro Bowl selection. What do
Speaker 1: you think about reeves chances of getting in? On February
Speaker 1: nine at NFL Honors, Well, there was a five year
Speaker 1: stretch where Durrell Reeves not only was the best corner
Speaker 1: in the Naster Football League, he was arguably the best
Speaker 1: defensive player. Because if you're gonna say this is the
Speaker 1: passing league, we know it is. I don't care where
Speaker 1: he went up against. I don't care if was Chad
Speaker 1: Johnson or you know, Reggie Wayne. It didn't matter. Uh,
Speaker 1: big games, playoff games, Um, it didn't matter. Like Darrell
Speaker 1: Reeves was the best player on the field. And you know,
Speaker 1: I know it was a five or six year stretch.
Speaker 1: But if you're the best player in the league, like
Speaker 1: you'd like to say, okay, he was the best player
Speaker 1: for a decade, like Charles Woodson was the best player
Speaker 1: for a whole decade. Rod Woodson was the best player
Speaker 1: for a decade or more. All that stuff, But I
Speaker 1: just think in that period of time, especially with Rex,
Speaker 1: and I think Rex came a year after he was
Speaker 1: in the league. Um, I just think for that stretch,
Speaker 1: nobody could beat him. I don't care if Randy Moss,
Speaker 1: you know, pick up an elite player. They couldn't beat
Speaker 1: Darrell Reeves week in week out. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: because he played press man and he shut guys down,
Speaker 1: he didn't get the interceptions that zone corners getting like
Speaker 1: Rex wasn't playing that style of football. Rex was challenging
Speaker 1: with the line of scrimmage, challenging every throw. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna get interceptions in that way. Like if he played
Speaker 1: off the ball and he wasn't pressing every play, he'd
Speaker 1: probably be in the forties, you know, interception wise. But
Speaker 1: so you can't look at the numbers. You have to
Speaker 1: look at how he shut guys down, and we've never
Speaker 1: seen a guy like it. You could go back, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe Dion did that, but really you can't look at
Speaker 1: anybody else has played this game that played it the
Speaker 1: way Darrell Reevers did. You could talk to Brandon Marshall
Speaker 1: when he was in Chicago and he tell you why
Speaker 1: Durrell Reevers was the best corner in the league, and
Speaker 1: then they became teammates and it was just iron sharping iron.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and fifteen, those guys are going up
Speaker 1: against each other every day in practice. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he was a masterful technician and he was so fun
Speaker 1: to watch it practice. That's one of the things I
Speaker 1: think people love about you is that you're jumping from
Speaker 1: team to team and you love going out there and
Speaker 1: watching practices. Remember we were doing an NFL Network show
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen and there was Darrell Reevers and
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall going out at in training camp, and you
Speaker 1: would have thought it was the fourth quarter of a
Speaker 1: playoff game the way they were going at it. Like
Speaker 1: you wonder why he could do what he did in
Speaker 1: the games, how he practiced. I believe that is the
Speaker 1: first bout Hall of Famer that somebody people will say, well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have enough stats, he didn't do it for
Speaker 1: a long period. I mean, I know all the arguments
Speaker 1: against it. I just know that we haven't seen a
Speaker 1: player like that in this league since he left the league,
Speaker 1: ever since he came in the league in two thousand seven.
Speaker 1: To me, he first I told him that when we
Speaker 1: saw him at the Jets, Uh, you know, the home
Speaker 1: game late in the year. I believe is the first
Speaker 1: bout Hall of Famer and I'll regardless of what happens,
Speaker 1: that's my belief. And that's if I was a vote,
Speaker 1: that's how I would vote. Yeah, I think sometimes we
Speaker 1: overuse the word great. Durrell Reevus was a great player.
Speaker 1: And if you were an offensive coordinator and you were
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you were preparing for a game on Sunday
Speaker 1: and it was Monday or Tuesday, you're focusing a lot
Speaker 1: in your your your plan, staying away from twenty four
Speaker 1: to your point and even target inside of the field. Well,
Speaker 1: I smember when he was coming out of pit so
Speaker 1: I that year two thousand and seven, that preparation for
Speaker 1: the draft, I didn't look at one note on one player.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to turn the film on and see
Speaker 1: how fast they could find a player, Like how fast
Speaker 1: can I find? I didn't know what Darrell Reeves number was.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what Corn White v was, a boundary
Speaker 1: corner or zone. I didn't know anything. I just said,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I did this with every player that was
Speaker 1: basically a first round pick in two thousand seven. I
Speaker 1: just want to see if my eyes could find that
Speaker 1: player in three plays. So I tried to pick game
Speaker 1: on two seven. I found Darrell Reeves, Like on the
Speaker 1: second play of the game. I just I just the
Speaker 1: way he moved, the way he pressed, the way, how
Speaker 1: strong he was, how he tackled. Like it happened so fast.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is Darrell Reeves, is what
Speaker 1: they're talking about. And so I like, I don't remember
Speaker 1: like everybody in the draft class that year he a
Speaker 1: but that's how I discovered. You know, Durrell Joel kle overdue.
Speaker 1: It seems like he's finally gonna get that stamp he
Speaker 1: needs of the vote. If you look at recent history
Speaker 1: of Senior finalists, he's already crossed his largest hurdle. It's
Speaker 1: just one more to go. What can you say about
Speaker 1: Cleco and your expectations of what that's actually gonna mean
Speaker 1: to him, for him to finally take his place in
Speaker 1: Canton after the wait has been so long. We're all
Speaker 1: gonna celebrate, you know, Durrell and Joe in Canton this summer. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're all we're all gonna be there for it. Um.
Speaker 1: So I played twelve years in the league e A.
Speaker 1: And I played five more years, probably than I should
Speaker 1: have because, uh, I became a teammate. Joe became a
Speaker 1: teammate of mine in Indianapolis in two thousand, nineteen eight.
Speaker 1: Joke plecos last year in the league was indian Appolis,
Speaker 1: and I discovered what the weight room was truly about.
Speaker 1: Functional straight, great strength, And I joke, Cleck taught me
Speaker 1: how to lift weights. Literally after seven years in the league,
Speaker 1: he taught me how to lift weights. And I survived
Speaker 1: another five years because of that, Like I owe Joe
Speaker 1: five years of my career. Um that he was just
Speaker 1: so strong obviously, you know, pro bowl at three different positions. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's never really been done before. Uh. He was just
Speaker 1: uh he was so smart and so strong. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: just physically. I mean I think he could still physically
Speaker 1: whip people right now. But you know, the hands, the footwork,
Speaker 1: the functional strength that he had. I mean he was
Speaker 1: still you know, squatting six hundred pounds on Monday after
Speaker 1: game in I don't know what year that was, thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Um, you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: his career, he was still squatting six hundred pounds a
Speaker 1: day after you know, a football game. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: he maintained his strength throughout. He might probably got stronger
Speaker 1: all the way until the very end. But Joe, Joe's
Speaker 1: getting into the Hall of Fame this summer like that.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be denied. And it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good choice. It's gonna be something special. If listen,
Speaker 1: out of five honors you have, there is a chance
Speaker 1: that it could be a big Jet sue Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 1: then Klaco and reeve to the Hall fan, it could
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Speaker 1: New York, Tennessee, and Virginia. So let's transition to the
Speaker 1: current team. Let's go back and forth there, Jets offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator search right now? What have you thought about some
Speaker 1: of the names that have been reported out there through
Speaker 1: various news outlets. Let me throw some at you. Chatout
Speaker 1: chet O'sheay, Nick Kyley, Kevin Putulo, Brian Johnson, Nathaniel Hackett,
Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak, Frank Reich. He's interviewing for a number of
Speaker 1: head coaching jobs right now, Marcus Brady um and there
Speaker 1: are a few others out there. Obviously we're all seeing
Speaker 1: the reports come in. Uh, what have you thought about
Speaker 1: the names that you've heard? And also can you talk
Speaker 1: about a general direction you think Robert Sale and Joe
Speaker 1: Douglas have to go in here? Well, I think they
Speaker 1: needed to make a change. I think a change well,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you could blame the offensive line
Speaker 1: and this function up front with all you do, all
Speaker 1: you want to do. I think they had to make
Speaker 1: a change all right. Of all the names mentioned, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of good quality and qualified people on
Speaker 1: that list. When I heard Clint Kobieck's name, like my
Speaker 1: eyes went like that that just registered with me. Joe
Speaker 1: Douglas knew his father in Baltimore. Um, you know, they
Speaker 1: had a great they had a great run when he
Speaker 1: was there. His son is very similar in his approach
Speaker 1: and how it's supposed to look and what the demands are. Um.
Speaker 1: I I feel like that's a name that and he's
Speaker 1: a young guy that understands the game, been around the
Speaker 1: game his whole life. I think he's got real ability
Speaker 1: to teach and to take the skill that the Jets
Speaker 1: have to another level. UM. And so I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the name that I keep coming back to. When
Speaker 1: I saw all the names and all the interviews that
Speaker 1: they had, Clint Kubiak to me, seemed like a fit,
Speaker 1: a really good fit for this offense. Do you anticipate
Speaker 1: Reich getting a head coaching job? People are reporting now
Speaker 1: that he's getting a second interview with the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 1: Arizona has been named as a possible destination for him
Speaker 1: if he doesn't land a head coaching job. Do you
Speaker 1: think that he might be a possibility for the Jets.
Speaker 1: It's a possibility. I mean, Frank could go back to
Speaker 1: that role, but I think he wants to be a
Speaker 1: head coach. I know Frank. I mean I played with
Speaker 1: Frank when he was back up to Jim Kelly and Buffalo.
Speaker 1: My brother played with my normal a long time. Um,
Speaker 1: I think he is. Yeah, he just has a real command.
Speaker 1: He has a command of the league. He has a
Speaker 1: command of game, day of preparation, like there was just
Speaker 1: like anybody that would give Frank a second chance as
Speaker 1: head coach, I think they would benefit by and I
Speaker 1: just think that's where he's at right now. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: did a good job in Indianapolis. I think five seasons,
Speaker 1: forty three and one overall. Uh, he did a fine
Speaker 1: job there in Indianapolis. They're searching for a head coach
Speaker 1: right now themselves. Again to Kubiak, let me circle back
Speaker 1: on that real quick. What do you think about that background?
Speaker 1: How much that helps him, um in his coaching life
Speaker 1: as far as growing up with Gary Kubiak, Oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think everything just kind of goes from father
Speaker 1: to son. I just think all those all those traits
Speaker 1: that his father had going back to the Shanahan years, um,
Speaker 1: all transfer and we're seeing what Kyle is doing right now.
Speaker 1: I think Clint has much of the same attributes. Okay,
Speaker 1: uh quarterbacks veteran quarterbacks right now. Aaron Rodgers UH was
Speaker 1: on Pat McAfee saying, you know, we gotta have some
Speaker 1: conversations with Green Bay Packers. ESPN Adam Schefter reported that
Speaker 1: it's a very real possibility that Rogers could be traded
Speaker 1: this year. Now, with all that being said, do you
Speaker 1: anticipate Rogers playing next year? And if you do, do
Speaker 1: you anticipate him playing with another team? I really don't know,
Speaker 1: e a I don't know where Aaron's at right now.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he wants to keep playing, UM, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be in Green Bay. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a free agent out there. I mean trade.
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know how all this
Speaker 1: thing happens, but I think Green Bay is ready to
Speaker 1: move on. And it wouldn't surprise me if Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is ready to move on. And if you're the Jets,
Speaker 1: and if that indeed is on the table, as far
Speaker 1: as Rogers, do you make a call. I'd make a call.
Speaker 1: But I just think the Jets have a lot of
Speaker 1: young talent. I just think that that's the wrong move.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they're one quarterback away
Speaker 1: from winning a Super Bowl, Like I just don't believe
Speaker 1: they're ready for that yet. I think they can be
Speaker 1: a playoff team next year, and I think you know,
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers could help them get there. I just
Speaker 1: think you got to build this thing for the long haul. EA,
Speaker 1: and I just think you gotta go young. You got
Speaker 1: all these young talent that they drafted last year that
Speaker 1: they've been drafting. I just feel like they just need
Speaker 1: a young guy to grow with everything and be there
Speaker 1: every day, be committed every day, not a guy at
Speaker 1: the end of the career where they're just looking for
Speaker 1: that steady quarterback to walk in. What about Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: Most people think that Derek Car's guy. Would definitely talk
Speaker 1: to I mean, definitely talk to Derek Carr if he
Speaker 1: becomes available. Obviously we're talking hypotheticals and a lot of
Speaker 1: people they've cut the cord there, so however you get there.
Speaker 1: But you know you're talking about a big contract e A.
Speaker 1: That's gonna make it difficult to keep a lot of
Speaker 1: veteran players. You know, when you start paying your quarterback
Speaker 1: as much as you gotta pay him. So anyways, you
Speaker 1: anticipate Lamar jack Sin being in Baltimore next year, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I think, you know. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a difficult contract. I think this thing is gonna
Speaker 1: get drawn out. I don't think he's going to play
Speaker 1: in a franchise tag and I think that's where it's headed. Um,
Speaker 1: I know what's been said, but I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: go right now. But I think Lamar is. I think
Speaker 1: there there could be a real court cutting right there. Okay, Baldi,
Speaker 1: good stuff, Get back to work, brother,