WEBVTT - Ep. 164: It Shall Be Delicious 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is a me either podcast coming in you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.360 folk bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:37.200 can't predict anything. What's up, guys, I's going? Why don't 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:41.160 feel like I'm not on? Am? I on? You? Hear me? Excellent? Good? 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:47.000 How's Portland's doing tonight? Earlier? I don't know why I'll 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:48.760 sick of this? Earlier I was thinking about how late 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.960 night talk show dudes come out and they're like, ladies 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.320 and gentlemen, we have a great show for you tonight. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:59.279 But I'm like, I don't know that. Um be like 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:04.480 may me babe. Uh got a couple people want to 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:09.040 say hi to out in the crowd. So Sarah, there's 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.880 someone named Sarah here who like, here's a weird deal though. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:21.280 Um yeah, So your husband like didn't want to bring you, 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:26.800 It was gonna bring your husband didn't want to bring you, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.640 was gonna bring some other guy. That guy's wife has 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.080 a baby, and then he's like, I guess I'll bring Sarah. 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:42.000 So it's the baby. The baby is Tommy, the dad 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:47.200 is Brian, and they're presumably being together right now forming 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:51.320 a bond. So that's great. It's good timing on their 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.320 part for having a baby right, not in Hunting season? 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.240 What is it? Oh you're timing? Not not in Hunts season? Baby, 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.800 well done. There's a there's a dude out here, Ryan Kristen, 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.320 who supposed he looks exactly like me? Where is he? 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.160 Is it that true? Look at him? Do you look 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:23.560 like me? All right? Are good? Buddy? Matt Elliott from 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.320 Bench Made is here. He's a bass angler extraordinaire, So 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:32.720 hi to him. And then, uh, guy, I know a 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:39.280 bit Joe Feria, are you here all right? Okay? Um, 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:40.919 a couple of things, got a couple things we gotta 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.040 cover real quick. Did you guys listen to a recent 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:47.280 episode where there's a dude that well, I want to 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:54.399 do introductions because you'll see why. Go ahead, cal Well, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.320 that's not your If you're gonna do introductions, you introduce people. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.680 I'm gonna allow for introductions. Are we going to introduce 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:06.280 each other? Are you? My name is Ryan Callahan, Thank 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:16.959 you very much for coming on feeling. My name is 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:25.000 Ben O'Brien. What my name is Janice patelis? Thank you 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:35.360 about Jana. We had an episode recently where I want 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.320 to find us to get it right. We had an 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:43.200 episode Obnoxious Stimuli, and in it we're talking about a 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.120 guy that wrote in. He was saying, how Yannas doesn't 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.920 get any credit, And he wrote this poem about Janice 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.960 that had the very awkward line in action how like 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.640 an Angel and apprehension, how like a God, which I 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:03.520 thought was the worst line in the world. Um, we 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:07.360 got your back? Are you sitting on that day? It 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.920 was a back on now just your first time, Steve. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:17.080 So it's called building suspense. So I thought it the 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.479 worst line ever. And a and a listener wrote in 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.839 to say that the man that wrote that poem plagiarized 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:29.400 portions of it from Shakespeare. It's from Hamlet, and that 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.760 says something about him, like, if you're gonna plagiarize, like generally, 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.800 you don't do it from the world's most famous writer ever, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.160 because you're gonna get caught. And it's gonna say something 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.760 about me that I sat through Shakespeare seminars in high school, 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.760 college and graduate school, but did not pick up that 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:51.160 that was from Shakespeare's finest work. But I do. When 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.159 I retire from my current job, I want to write 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.720 a book called In Defense of Not Loving the Bard, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.960 and it'll be like like a book length essay about 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:09.120 how it's okay to just like Shakespeare. Um. He goes 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.440 on to give a high coup. He writes a high 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.400 coup for Janice, which is a solid high coup. It's 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:23.320 this lavine, eagle keen of I and swift of kill 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:34.479 power ring onward. That's a that's a high coup. Also 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:39.320 another quick correction from noxious Stimuli. There's a guy who 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.680 wrote in he describes himself as noxious stimuloss because he 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.440 was a person who wrote a piece of hate mail 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.440 that there was talking about how I suffered from narcissism 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.680 and a d h D. And then our underwear is 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.279 very expensive, which that part I can tell you he 0:05:55.360 --> 0:06:00.440 was not true, because mine wars nine bucks. But he 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.960 was adding into So we we have a thing where 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:08.279 we've crowd sourced things that we know make Turkey's gobble, 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.479 and we have a new shirt coming out which is 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.560 all the best things that make Turkey's gobble, from sonic 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:18.520 booms to what else is down there, rumble strips, carridors 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:20.880 card I don't know if that made the shirt. Car 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:28.479 Horns probably made the shirt. Thundering throwing rocks and stalking rocks, 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.960 that stop signs kicking roussy, old hunks and metal dry dude. 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.880 So the dude rode in and he this is an 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:41.360 interesting story where he and his wife refurbished an old 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.440 cuckoo clock. You can see where this is going. And 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.200 he's got horses and turkeys come in in the winter 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.200 to feed on the horse feed and then to pick 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.039 grain out of the horse ship. And one day he 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.479 his new cuckoo clock gets done and he opens the door. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.240 The cuckoo clock goes off and four gobblers all hit it. Yep, 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.760 so it was too late to make the shirt um 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.479 on that. I heard another one that's knew that was. 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.640 I think it was d M to me, I like 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.920 using DM. I feel like I'm I'm young. Yeah, you 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:18.840 know it does. I thought it was like I've always 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:23.560 only creepy. She said, slide in on d MS. I 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.640 thought that's where he goods. I have been getting that myself. 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.800 I'm sliding in on your d M. Don't that's the 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.240 I'm creeping in on your d M'm just sneaking right. No, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:39.680 you direct messages, that's what we're talking about. You're getting 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.600 down low. These are totally different. Got lost because I 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:47.080 left my chord. So I'm really distracted by might not 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.080 have my chord with me that I plug this thing 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.920 in with. So I missed you're saying, you'd like to 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.640 say d MS. It makes you feel young. Yeah, and 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.240 you know what those are, d MS Direct messages. There 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.840 you go, I say, uh, I say a dude wrote in, 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.000 or ten percent of the time I get to say 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:09.240 a woman wrote in. Anyhoo, this fellow was saying that 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.160 he was having a slow morning in turkey hunting and 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.400 decided to pack himself a big chaw. So he brought 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:28.120 out his tin and and got a gob. Yeah that's good. Uh. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.280 On the subject of turkeys, I heard a quote I 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.760 thought you'd like, ye honest, and it was that when 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:39.040 a deer sees a man, it thinks it's a stump. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.680 When a turkey sees a stump, that thinks it's a man. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.880 Like that. Yeah, it's good. I feel like a turkey's 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.720 like a puffed up room. But that's just going around. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.360 They don't know what they're doing. Man, they're idiots. They're idiots. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:58.640 I'm not gonna defend turkeys right now. I want to 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.880 talk about does anybody in here make their living or 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.319 any of you, the people that all make their living 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:09.079 catching Northern Pike meddals, do you know about this? That 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.319 guy does? No, seriously, has anyone in here redeemed? Has 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.079 anyone in here collected a bounty? You guys have collected 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.880 your bounties on Northern Pike middals at least three four, 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.840 five six. This is a fascinating business you guys got 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.760 going on in the state. Who's gonna break this down for? 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.920 I know everybody in here is a bounty hunter, but um, 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.839 somebody needs to break this down. Who wants to start? 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:41.120 Get him? Cal? It's an odd thing, is what I 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.040 would start with. When you have a native fish species 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.640 that has a bounty on its head? Um, what did 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:53.920 real quick? He's good? Well, there's always one guy. What 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.559 we're gonna get into this? And then we're gonna get 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.480 into this. There's a whole lot that needs to be 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:01.160 covered here. But basically, you girl up not Yeah, you 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.520 grew up. So you grew up knowing the fish as 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.720 a squaw fish, Yes, correct, Northern pike mental squaw fish 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:12.920 has other names. Squawker, Yeah, I thought you need another one. Yeah, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:17.880 it was the the Columbia River. Dacey it's a minto. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.760 It's in the mental family. I now set the set 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.000 the you know table, set the table. I know everybody's 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.520 hip to this. Most folks are hip to this in 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:32.360 this room. But um, basically have uh this pike Minnow 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:38.560 it's a predator, like very aggressive eater. And they collecting 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:45.079 large groups uh behind the dams, and then they will 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.280 put a serious hurt on the steel head and salmon 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.880 smolt as they stack up behind the dams in large 0:10:52.880 --> 0:11:00.600 holes too. But um, yeah, so the Bonneville, right, Bonneville, Yeah, 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.040 they the power company. I want because we're telling you, guys, 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.480 we're trying to put if you didn't detect, we're trying 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.280 to throw a local spin on this whole thing. Mi, 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.520 Mike just cut out again. Yeah no, we got you 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.439 again now though, trying to throw a local spin on this. 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.440 We gotta remember all those brothers in Ohio and whatnot. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.720 I don't know about this to go on until um 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:30.199 there is a incentive two catch and kill the northern 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:37.199 pikeman uh uh in an attempt to protect steel head 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.680 and salmon. Then they put a bony on them. Yep, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.160 so I think it's two bucks of fish. Eight it's 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:55.040 eight what right dollar amount? Though you catch one to 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.440 five you get this month that's a six pack of 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:07.119 fancy beer per fish. So this year, so the bounty program, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.480 the bounty the annual bounty program opens May one, runs 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.880 through May. Then you have until November to turn in 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.079 your vouchers, which you get upon catching the fish for payment. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.480 And this year more than one dozen anglers earned over 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:30.200 twenty grand fishing and the Snake and Columbia River. The 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:36.240 program like throwing a lot of hate. You guys are 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:37.800 throwing a lot of hate. Had a little fish And 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.760 I'm gonna get into this because there's there's more to it. 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.480 I'm not I'm not disparaged of the program. I was 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.920 given prompt to those guys that went out or gals 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.800 that went out there and did it. Got it done? Yeah, 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.920 because what we were unable to find out today, who's 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:54.440 the most reputable person out in the crowd? These two 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.800 guys right here? He's you guys to say you collected 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:04.559 a bounty. Okay, do you have some exposure to contemporary 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.400 pike middle fishing? Can you and like in a sentence, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:13.160 explain how what is the tactic? What is the approach? 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:18.880 The most effective approach uh for catching them. Yeah, chicken 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.439 liver or chicken liver and worms. So you're just classic 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:27.400 bait fishing bomber, no bomber on the bottom. Okay, so 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.679 you just it's like you're out fishing sun eas or 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.920 blue gills or whatever. But it's pikee meddles every time 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.480 of the year during wherever the Yeah, they congregate right, 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:44.360 getting big big they pawed up. Yeah. Okay, so hold 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:45.840 on real quick, I just want to make sure that 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:51.800 the expert in the fifth row back here concurs you guys. 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.040 Everybody's starting. Everybody's cool with the idea that people use 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.120 liver and worms in basic bomber on the bottom, A 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.240 couple of split shot kind of standard rick. Okay, good, Now, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.079 there's there's some weird parts of this that will get 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.599 to So the program pays anglers five to eight bucks 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:14.640 for pike meddals over nine inches long. As of October seventeenth, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:20.080 the top angler had made seventy one thousand, forty nine 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:25.120 dollars this year. The next three spots so no, so 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.280 he's number one, numbers two or three and four. These 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.680 guys in that period made over fifty thousand bucks fishing 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:35.840 Pike Meddals. Uh, there are a bunch in the top twenty. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.560 There are a bunch of guys who made anywhere from 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.600 sixteen to thirty six. Last year, the top angler in 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:45.880 the Northern Pike Middals Sport Reward Fishery pulled eighty four 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:50.680 grand for five months work, down down from last the 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.560 previous year in two thousand sixteen, a mug fished up 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.400 one nineteen thousand and three hundred forty or the Pike 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:04.760 Meddals five months of work. But here's where this gets weird. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.360 Is they to to get people even more fired up, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:17.280 they released one thousand tagged fish, which if you catch 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.800 those you get five bucks. But that's like a funny 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.720 deal because you're saying like you're saying, like to your kids, 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.400 I'd be like, I want you kids to kill all 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.800 the rats, and I'm gonna put a bunch more rats 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.600 like and they're all gonna be in there, and if 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.800 you catch those rats, and then I'm gonna pay you 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.680 eight bucks forever your rat you catch. And I just 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:44.800 let a lot more in there. But I'm hoping that 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.480 that means that they are that the ones that are 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:54.120 cutting loose. I'm having to think are sterilized. Maybe no, no, 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:59.600 I will tell you, uh squat or uh pike minto 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:05.720 ceviche is very good, especially those tagged ones. They're extra deletos. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.440 They yeah, because if you catch a tag when you 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:15.000 get five hundred bucks, you buy shipload of lemons, shipload 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.600 of beer, shipload of lemons, go east and sushi. They 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.760 caught like five million of these things since they started 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.840 the program. We were reading since five million. Oh so 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.960 the thousand is nothing like getting of the program. Yeah, 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.200 I got you. I could see it um real quick. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:37.200 On chasing hold on, I'm not going you have more. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:38.880 I'm not ready to go to chasing you. I was 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.680 just thinking about it that there's I know a lot 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.000 of five fishing guys, myself being one of them, that like, 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.320 you're not making anywhere near that kind of money, busting 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.960 your butt all summer long, rowing people down river. People 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.200 that are you know, the people that really have fish 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.200 on the brain. You can speak to this. They might 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.080 consider coming out here and making money for four or 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:03.520 five months. Yeah, man, you get a system down and 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:08.360 be good. But I tell you, I mean they are 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:13.720 a fun fish on the flyer rod like they especially 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.600 in the spring when they're spawning, like they destroy flies. 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.840 Super fun there, dude, the caliber of dudes were talking 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:27.240 about here, Oh this is different deal. They're not at 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.639 it for fun. Well that it might be enjoyable. What 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.080 I'm saying, these are like top shelf anglers. A lot 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.000 of days before I get the chaf and I want 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.320 to hit a point I forgot because this is like 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.080 I was hitting up Matt Elliott about this. Matt Elliot, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:47.120 who I mentioned earlier. Um, he's got a real act. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.080 He I don't say he's got astagrind. He brings up 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.760 interesting point because Matt he likes to be in bass 0:17:53.760 --> 0:18:02.000 fishing contests, bass tournaments. Um so they he He's expressing 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.760 his concern that people are taking the same level that 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:10.160 they want to persecute smallmouth bass the same way they're 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:15.240 persecuting the pike mento. He takes offense to the idea 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.840 because a thing that they find with the pike middles, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.119 you know how they don't pay till the fish hits 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:25.040 nine inches. A thing you run into there is that 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.040 the once the pikemanto hits a certain size, he's more 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.720 likely to have like he's more likely to become pasciferous, 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.760 which means the fish is more likely to become a 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.560 fish eater. So when he hits a certain size size threshold, 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:46.119 his diet might switch defeating on salm like salmond and fry. 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.919 Oftentimes when you're trying to like destroy a fit or 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.600 like to remove nonnatives through mechanical means. If I got 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.160 to interrupt man because the expert in the row five man, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.159 he is like the e in row five I have 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.399 has raised his hand times. But we're like, we're messing up. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.840 We must be messing up the pike mittle thing really 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.159 bad because fixing to have a connect. I would love 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:11.919 to hear what it is because I just can't picture 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.320 that what I'm saying is not correct. Go ahead, go ahead, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.880 just clarify it quick, quick and dirty please on the 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.040 lamp right heel also not so much the sad much 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.160 small the lamb right heel also so much the bottom 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:34.240 walker word break harness for walleye stay and washing. Okay, 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.159 so he's pointing out he's pointing out about gentlemen in 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:38.960 the audience, is pointing out that they like to feed 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:44.600 on lamp raids. Cool. Yeah, Matt Elliott was telling me 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:55.400 washing have released the limits on the small mouth bass, 0:19:55.760 --> 0:20:03.560 the walleye, and the catfish. There's no limits. Get that. 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.000 Trying to lay out, trying to lay out I'm trying 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:15.080 to lay out a little exeology here. Now I do 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.919 want to add that part of the reason for that 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:23.520 nine inch rule is they are likely preyed upon below 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.639 nine inches by other species too. Great, great, thank you 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:34.680 stay with me if you will for a moment. Where 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.720 are you saying something? Yes, Now, you guys are familiar 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:45.840 with the infestation in the Mississippi and Ohio river rivers 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:51.040 of the silver carp big head carp. So they come 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.199 in there and they come in and they open up 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:56.199 a commercial fishery just try to remove the fish, and 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.000 they set a certain mesh size so you can you 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.760 can run the large square mesh and you'll pull out 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.200 the largest of the carp. The thing do you find 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:09.080 when you're doing mechanical removal, so not poisoning, but doing 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.800 mechanical removal of fish that you're trying to get rid of, 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:17.280 is you don't you wind up not affecting the biomass, 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.600 but you affect the makeup of the population. So someone 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.359 might look and say a certain system is going to 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.720 support x pounds of some species of fish. As you 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.040 remove all those larger pike mentos, you wind up with 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.320 the same poundage of pike mentos living in the system. 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.760 You're just affecting sort of the demographics of the population. 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:45.679 Matt Elliott's grief with the persecution of small mouth is 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.320 that he was telling me how as a small mouth 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:54.920 gets bigger, his diet actually switches to crayfish. But by 0:21:54.960 --> 0:22:00.359 removing the largest small mouth, you are selecting four or 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:04.080 small mouth that are more likely to be eating cell 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:09.120 Monnet's dragon. That's all I'm trying to get across. Man. 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.280 If the gentleman for row five months to come up 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.439 and explain the rest of it, that's fine, But I'm 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.680 still trying to get to this chasing. Are we good 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:27.119 on this? Yeah? I'm cool chafing, chafing. Uh, this this 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.960 is last I canna say about chafing. But we covered 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.080 a lot of tears from a guy who took bologney. 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:36.040 We talked about this guy slice of blowney and put 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:41.040 it in his gluteal crease in order to in order 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:45.639 to he got chased so bad his buttocks that he 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:49.480 couldn't move and took a sandwich apart, stuck a bologney slice. 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:54.119 For those that are are just listening, Steve is rubbing 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:59.520 his hands together as to as to mimic the gluteal crease, 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.399 to mimic the actions of your your your buttocks rubbing. 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:05.720 And he put a slice of blowney in there and 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:09.320 walked out, walked back to his truck. This guy writes, 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:13.240 and he's a chef and ship they use corn start. 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.760 They use corn starch, of course in the commercial kitchen, 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.199 but he also keeps a box of corn starch in 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:24.439 the bathroom. He's apparently he's a healthy sized fella. And 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:29.120 while he's cooking, he cooks, so he cooks with such 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:33.640 gusto that he gets chafed while cooking. And when it happens, 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.200 he will go in and uses corn starch, which he says. 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.720 He's a great here, and he uses corn starts to 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:44.440 treat his nether regions and alleviate is chafing. And he 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:46.639 they tell he tells a humorous story about a new 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.280 feller coming into work and he goes to thicken the 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:54.800 sauce and knows that he's sickening with corn starch and 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:56.920 goes into the bathroom and he can't find the corn starch, 0:23:58.000 --> 0:23:59.680 and you can see where that whole thing goes in there. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.880 But he says that, um, he says in closing, he's 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.560 a good writer. He's like in closing, don't be afraid 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:10.840 to bring a little storm corn starch with you in 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.919 the field. It's old or less easy to carry. And 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.159 in the pinch you can make a quick temper a batter, 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:28.719 which is something we've never done. Okay, we gotta talk 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:30.959 about another thing. What we talked about before. This is like, 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:32.760 this is the part where we just talked about stuff 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:37.480 we already talked about, but we add a little tit bit, 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.280 a little corn starch. A little corn starch takes away 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:45.320 the more Yanni, can you can you can you lay 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:47.800 the groundwork on the I want to talk about the 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.200 Florida panther thing because I feel like we we talked 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.800 about Florida panthers. I feel like we we we we 0:24:53.800 --> 0:25:00.639 we created confusion that well, we just misrepresented the glades. 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:05.359 And yeah, but like the first bit, they had a 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.840 study in Florida, And when we had a correction, a 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:11.040 guy that worked on the study rode in and clarified 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.480 all this for us. The problem is when we get 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:15.399 the stuff, it's just so hard to go and then 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.480 research the next like five levels that you need to. 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:20.200 You know, we don't have all these people on hand 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.240 that are just you know, waiting to write an email 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:25.280 before they even know we're gonna talk about it after 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:29.280 we talk about um so, Yeah, we used it for 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.639 one of our We did a game called two Lies 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.520 and a Truth where we were telling stories on stage 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:38.679 and people had to choose which one was the truth 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.760 and the truth that night was um that there was 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.280 a study in Florida where they had collared turn sixty 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.840 three deer roughly something like that. It was in South 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:51.119 Florida and they were just gonna check on like what 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:57.240 was affecting the population there from habitats, predators, um what 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.960 else were they looking for? Yeah, we can various things, 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.320 but one of the main things was mortality. So you 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.199 you get a death signal, yeah on your collar, like 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:08.320 it doesn't move for typically I think it's forty eight 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.679 hours or some of the time enable doesn't move. Then 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:14.720 you rush out to try to ascertain what we're down. Yeah, 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:18.280 I figure out who've done it? And um so, at 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.200 a two hundred sixty three, how many were killed. Now, 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.239 like most of them right over four years ended up 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:27.639 being like two or forty were killed or something like that. Um, 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.440 I mean not in a bunch of the numbers now, 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:33.840 but mostly the highest the best predator was uh the 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.200 panther cougar, the Florida panther. I think they killed a 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.880 hundred and fifty something like that. Yeah, bobcats got like five. 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:49.200 Um who else is got one? Humans only got one? 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.520 And they were even told that they could shoot these 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:56.520 collared bucks and even like the website page that I 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.280 was reading even had a picture of a nice buck 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.520 with a color ono and they're like, please shoot these 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.639 guys if you see them, because it needs to be 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:04.600 part of the data set. Yeah, well they're they're they're 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.159 trying to say to people, was like, ignore the collar. 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.480 So if if you wouldn't shoot it but it has 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.919 a collar, don't If you would shoot it but it 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.359 has a collar, do So I'm just saying, like, forget 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:20.280 the collars exactly, which is tricky because I wouldn't want 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.280 to shoot a deal with the collar because it would 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.840 seem not mysterious to me. It would be like someone 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:34.280 else was. It was like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:37.639 you see what I was gonna say inappropriate fair nine 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.240 year old. Yeah, it would be like if you were 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:45.960 too and then found out someone else had UM. But 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:52.040 we talked about this and someone also just a signed off. 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:56.439 But someone brought up like, I'm not doing anything to 0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:01.600 that thing anyway. A Florida man in Oh no, but 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.760 real quick, yeah, Florida man, Florida man, but real quick? 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.240 Why is it cool? Like I wouldn't want to, I 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.160 wouldn't want to shoot some of the with a collar, 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:11.280 But why is it cool to shoot a duck with 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.440 a band. It's just different. People get all excited to 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.080 make necklaces out of it. You don't see it, dude 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:23.439 with the necklace of a giant radio collar like like 0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:29.919 a run DMC necklace with a Jesus guy, I'm switching 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:38.120 to handheld man. Why did my mic go mad? Oh? 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.120 Oh no, we're gonna yeah. So what happened is you 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.520 didn't gather that we're gonna take a meandering your process. 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.040 We only got another two hours, so well we didn't 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:52.520 know was that in the study area there was I 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:57.280 think three different regions and units and one of them 0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:00.320 UM had no hunting at all. One of him was 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.400 like a walking only area, and then one I think 0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:06.320 you could access through a TV. So, um, that took 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:08.760 a lot of hunters out of the equation. Then it 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.720 was a bunch of the area was buck only, and 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:13.840 like two thirds of the two or sixty three deer 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.800 were females, were those that were collars. So all of 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:18.680 a sudden you bring the number of like possible deer 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:24.200 to shoot way down. So really there's a fraction. Yeah, 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.800 so I just said, so three deer. It was a fraction. 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.960 You know, there were available four hunters to actually shoot. 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.200 So and I called them the lowly Florida hunter because 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.400 we're just thinking, man, how did like the panther just 0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:39.800 out hunt you that bad? But and then and then 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.320 the writer was like kind of prefaced the whole the 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.120 guy that rolled in preface the little thing being like 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.720 kind of sticking up for his tribe. Yes, it's like, 0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:52.160 it's not Florida Florida hunters or cold blooded killers. Don't 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:56.360 you make no mistakes. Given the opportunity, they would have 0:29:56.360 --> 0:30:00.640 got it done. That's right. What I when he finished 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.480 with that thought was really interesting is how he said that, um, 0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:05.920 that zone which none of us I think from where 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.959 we live consider like that you'd have sort of contentious 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.480 wildlife issues in Florida, right, Like, I don't know, I 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.040 just have an idea of Florida that's not that. But 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:16.800 he just said, like, imagine if l A was in 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:20.800 the middle of Idaho. He's like, there, it's Naples, and 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:22.920 then it looks like a big city of Miami on 0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:24.680 on the other coast, right, and then you just got 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.200 this crazy wildlife corridor in the middle. And so when 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.600 you have like a management meeting in the public's invited, 0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:33.200 you just imagine. Man, it's like every single character of 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.840 the United States is you know, different kinds of minds 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:37.800 that are shown up there to give their opinion. It's 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:42.760 pretty wild. Yeah, it's a country. Yeah, it's a fighting 0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:44.800 state when it comes wild. Because they had the they 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.200 had their they won their bear season back and then 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:51.600 lost their bear season. People fight over creators in Florida. 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.960 But what are our paths of the Booma? Guys saying though, 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:00.720 like to out hunt a cat, you better be doing 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:04.880 some serious hunting. I mean, that's a deer every four days, right, 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:10.960 about a deer every week, and you've got two hundred 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:14.320 and fifty you have about two lions in Florida. It's 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:22.120 a small population, but people too, just the way people work, Uh, 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.640 a lot of people I think over ascribe, you know 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.920 what I mean, Like like people don't want to have 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:32.560 any competition. So I think that some people here, some 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.120 people know that there's mountain lions out there, and they'll 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.320 blame they're not like, damn cars kill all the deer, 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.400 which kill a help a lot more deer in Florida, 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.720 the mountain lions, but you kind of like pick the 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:47.200 thing that seems most like you. So hey, So that 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.720 I think that that people have a feeling that they 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.000 do more damage than perhaps they do. But then this 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.040 study really kind of throws that off because this study 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:58.120 they are just steadily whittling away at these things. Someone 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.040 brought up this idea and they wrote in about another 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:04.280 piece of work that got done where there was some 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:06.400 I don't know the details on it. I'm sure we'll 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.400 hear about it, but someone in some biologists I believe 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.880 working in Africa, we're looking at when you do a 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.600 coloring study that you're kind of throwing it off because 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.480 they argue this person was writing and argues that an 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:26.680 animal that's wearing a collar is actually more likely to 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.640 be killed by predators, more likely than his herd mates 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.440 to be killed by predators. Janice has it he has 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:38.040 a feeling why this is Yeah, I interpret it as 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.120 I think he's he put this in the email, is 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.080 that the one of the best defenses that hurt animals 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.440 have is that when they are attacked, they're allowed to 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:50.320 move as a mass and sort of distract predators coming 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:51.840 in there, and the prayertor can't. It's harder for the 0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:55.160 prayer to isolate one single animal because they all kind 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.400 of looked the same, they're moving the same. But when 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:00.240 in his study that he was referencing, I think that 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:04.040 they had painted the horns pink or red, and he 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.200 was saying that he thought that because they were losing 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.560 animals very quickly in their study, and he just felt 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:10.560 like the feeders were able to get in there and go, oh, 0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:13.040 if I just keep chasing that one with the pink horns, 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.320 eventually that one's gonna get tired. It's easy for me 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:17.840 to stay on track. So you're saying, if you were 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:19.640 like a smart wild beach, you might go and like 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.160 put a sticker on your bro and run beside him 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.520 during when the lions come around, put a little glitter 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:29.680 on them or something like that. Find them out. My interpretation, 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.240 not my interpretation, but I think an idea that I 0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.640 would like to add on that I can't tell you 0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:36.640 is right or wrong, but it feels right to me, 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:41.280 would be that they might also see it and register 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.320 it as not just that they can keep a track 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:48.560 of a mad the confusion, register it as different. Perhaps 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:53.160 wounded pointing out, yeah, pointing out that this guy took 0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:55.120 offense to the idea that when you put a collar 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.000 on them, you make them more likely to get killed, 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.560 even though he wasn't really able to only back it 0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.640 up a poaching thing on on top of real quick. 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.480 This guy had the most genius idea of any poet 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:13.240 I ever heard. He poaches a buck out of season 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.240 or gets an extra buck, and then decides to freeze 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:21.960 the whole damn thing to check it in next season. Yeah, buddy, 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.479 but gets caught. Did he say how he got caught? 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:28.640 Does it? I can't. I can't find out how he 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:35.480 got caught. It was a twenty yes, freezer burn. It's like, 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:37.319 you know, it's like this is like a real like 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:42.799 a Michigan style it's a twenty point buck freezer are 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.040 we talking about? I don't know. I don't know. I'm 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.239 t curl it up. Yeah, they just let bedded down 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:50.799 in this freezer for a year. How come no one's 0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:54.239 asking me how old he is? How old the buckets? No, 0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:56.719 the man is fifty six. You guys just asked me parts. 0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:01.440 I don't know. No one's saying no. One's like, uh, 0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:06.600 what was his last name? Still? What county they live in? 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:11.640 Dob You don't know? The caliber freezes the thing? How 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:14.600 many points? Wasn't? Well? Yeah, but you gotta understand in 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:19.680 the Midwest, this is Indiana. When when when we're a 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.920 little kid, if if a TV host named Fred Trost 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:28.680 could hang his wedding ring on a point that was 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.319 a point, That's why in Michigan you'd be like, do 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.719 you hear Billy shot a thirteen pointer and you see 0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:37.080 the buckets like you know, like your hand right the 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.080 size of that. But it would be like any little 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:43.000 protuberance is it is a count? So they're calling it, 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:47.919 but but it does. It's a it's a two white tail. 0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.200 So here here's the funny thing where ties into something 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.120 you've been talking about lately he's been talking about ways 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.799 in which you get in trouble for killing stuff. So 0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:59.000 this guy gets a hundred hours of community service five 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:04.399 forty day is a probation and a seven dty one 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:08.279 dollars and finding court costs, and then he has a 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:12.920 paltry replacement fee of five hundred bucks, which is where 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:17.240 the state puts a value. This is just the portion 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:22.480 where the state says that dear is worth five bucks 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.640 to the people of the state. Like what we have 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.640 you know what we have invested in the animal. It's 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:34.319 values five hundred bucks or five bucks one state over 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:38.360 in Ohio, So that buck must have been orphaned. Like, no, 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.920 there's no game management manager watching over him. Nothing. He 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.160 was just kicked to the curve. They didn't have any 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:50.399 money in doing one year old. No, it's it's he's 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.840 saying something totally different. He was saying, like, why is 0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:58.920 it valued so low? Because in Ohio the replacement fee 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.000 on the buck would be honest, knows what it is. 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:09.920 He did the map, that's Ohio's replacement fee. Indiana's replacement 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:13.040 FeAs five hundred bucks. Indiana has got a lot going on. 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:17.880 They're busy, they got a lot they're turning out so 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:23.680 many tucks. They drove the value down. Another guy froze 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.239 the two. That's five hundred bucks for fun. It will 0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:31.000 be fine. Do you do you remember talking about I 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:36.200 was really surprised and pleased about a particular snake that 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:41.080 I heard had a a barbed pecker. Remember this, this 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.520 is one of the two of them. Well, no, he 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:48.640 was a double peckers. There was a snake and a snake. 0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:53.440 Guy was explaining that virtually all snakes have two packers. 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.800 Someone what was explaining to me something interesting about ducks 0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:02.959 Where he's saying, most ducks only have a cloaca, which 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.440 is like a uni hole. Right, like all commings and 0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:10.120 goings happened in and out of these male female holes 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:14.520 that you line up. Three percent of birds have penises. 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:22.520 Ducks have penises. Some of them are corkscrewed and maybe barbed. 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.160 And the ducks can be longer than the duck itself 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:36.160 eight to seventeen inches. Now I'm not gonna like add 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:41.359 a lot to this. There was a dirty limerick. There 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.279 was a dirty limerick I knew as a child that 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:50.799 had to do with They had to do with an anatomy. 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:55.640 Part that was threaded and it was and someone had 0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:58.560 to search high and low to find a compatible partner 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.759 that they found them that they thought compatible. What I 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:05.480 want being a left handed thread in the way of 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:07.719 dirty it was just an old dirty limit. Again for 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:10.240 the listeners, who are you who can't see us? Steve 0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:13.440 is making a corkscrew motion with his finger motion, and 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:18.960 sexual explained this fact of duck anatomy um jumping in 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:25.400 something I wanted to talk about freezing crab? What uh 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.839 you have experienced the blue crabs? John? Can you can 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:33.920 you walk through crab freezing for a fellow the road in? Yeah? 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.080 I can, but through my father in law, be cause 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.759 I personally haven't frozen the crabs myself, but I know 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.520 how he didn't because I hooked him up with a 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:47.320 new western uh back stealer. And so he the At first, 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.960 the crabs are punching through the bags. They have point 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.560 little edges all over him. So he likes to clean 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.120 him first. He likes to clean out the lungs and 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:57.760 the guts and sprays them all out. So nice, pretty 0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:01.160 clean crabs. But it still looks like a crab. But 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.719 he hasn't totally no, no, no, yeah, And so he 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.560 just he started putting parchment paper I believe in there 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:09.160 on on the top and bottom that gave it just 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:12.840 enough would flatten out the spiny parts and the bumps 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:20.839 to not break the seal. Sorry paper plates. Um, So 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.680 we ate them over the holiday. So they were frozen, 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.279 you know, mid summer probably, and then we ate them 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.640 over Christmas and they were fine. They tasted just like 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:35.680 does he you guys, don't you guys don't boil them first? No, no, no, 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:40.120 they were not not not pretty boiled. I wonder why, 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.880 because like my trainings and crab have always been, when 0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.239 you're gonna to freeze crab, you always boil it like 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:52.320 dungeoness ten minutes very salty water, then freeze only freeze 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:57.200 the knuckles and then or we pick it in bag 0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:59.880 bag it. But then someone recently turned me on too 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:03.520 picking it. And this is like like sportsmen sports women, 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:07.160 everyone's always trying to do stuff in milk, soaking flames 0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:09.960 and milk this and that milk. But picked their dungeoness 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:15.239 crab meat, put it in a jar in milk and 0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:17.839 freeze it. And I did, and I let the thing 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:21.279 sit there for a calendar year on the why I 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:27.880 threw in the word calendar. Yeah, like not just any year, brother, 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:33.000 this is a calendar here. Um frozen for a whole 0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:35.560 year and it was good. It wasn't like brand new crab, 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:41.239 but it was good frozen that way. Buttermilk five's got 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:49.839 his hand up again, like half and half you're gonna 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.279 pop your shoulder blade. Owt man this, calm calm down. 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:54.480 I feel bad. I gotta make an a mission here. 0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:58.399 I'm from Maryland, the blue crab state, and I never 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.000 frozen crab in my life. You say crab training. My 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:02.920 crab training was to pick them and eat him and 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:07.680 get drunk, because the only training I ever had. And 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.719 if somebody says no needing to get a freezeful, to 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:15.960 get a freezer involved in that situation. But we have 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.400 a service to to to reply to the I can't 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:20.920 tell the man. You can tell him that he wants 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:26.000 he wants to freeze them. Your grandfather, and you want 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:29.360 to spoil your grandchildren that love to eat crabs and 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.880 they only come a couple of times a year, you 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:37.520 will they're not old enough to drink beer. Yes, I 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:41.040 like how there was zero division on the pick crab 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:45.440 drink beer, not everybody's like, wait a minute, drink beer. 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:47.720 You're going to pick up the crabs at the place 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:49.520 to drink beer on the way back, and while you're 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:54.719 picking them, it's all the same methodology. So you're saying 0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:56.680 it's cool, you're saying it's like, really bad if you're 0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:00.279 from Maryland to do this, we freeze them. I got 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.440 no problem freezing them. I think it might have to 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.040 be with how successful of a trapper you are. That's true, 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:11.359 because if you go only get like onesies, twosies, if 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:16.000 you're like stacking them up. Another freeze question and yeah, 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.440 just feels like we've answered the bunch, but it comes up. 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:23.239 Maybe this will be the last time. But but can 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:32.520 you freeze thaw and then freeze meat? Yes you can, 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:37.960 but you can't free starf free starf freeze freeze thought. 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.200 I'm kidding. Yeah, I think you can go to town 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.759 with with that whole business and you're not gonna I 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:48.000 bet we could pepsi challenge the whole room. Nobody would 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:52.680 tell us if how many times can can you what 0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:57.200 you just say? I said, we could pepsi challenge. That's interesting, 0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:02.960 that's interesting. Someone I forgot about this, well, I know 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:07.799 but someone was like a pet. Like he was saying, 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:11.000 when you're trying to test someone, let's say someone has 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:13.239 a weird thing where they think that that something is 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:15.120 better than something else, like the case I always used. 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.759 My brother used to have a girlfriend who thought it 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:22.319 was gross to reheat coffee from the day before. And 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.000 then he was like, you can't tell, and she thought 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.799 she could tell, and so he's he realized that what 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:32.040 he thinks is she can detect the temperature differential between 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.239 it coming off the coffee maker and it coming out 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.960 of the microwave. So he took day old coffee and 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:40.080 new coffee and made him be exactly the same temperature, 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.120 at which point she couldn't pick it up. And someone 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:44.919 was telling me, I even wrote this down somewhere because 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:47.400 I've been wanting to mention it. He there's a thing 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:49.920 called triangle testing. Like let's say you're telling me that 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:51.600 you can tell a certain kind of beer, and I 0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:53.480 think there's no way you can pick that beer out 0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:57.560 of a crowd. Triangle testing is when you do two 0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:02.560 of a and one of and then the person has 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:04.920 to come in And this is how they just professionally 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.959 do this. The person has to come in and pick 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:13.000 out be So you put out three tours the same, like, 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:15.719 tell me which one is different, because that way you're 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.320 eliminating it from being a chance that they're going to 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:22.160 get it right right, So PEPSI challenge, go ahead, because 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:23.520 that's what I usually think it is the best way 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:27.920 to do it. So let's just say that we had, uh, 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.720 two pieces of me that had been frozen thought frozen thought, 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:35.600 and then one piece of meat that had been frozen thought. 0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:38.399 I just don't think anybody in the room could pick 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.880 it out. Yeah. I think the word the resistance to 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:47.120 free style freeze comes from which is inherently free staw, 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:54.160 free staw unless you're eating it frozen. It comes from 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:57.399 like food. It comes from restaurant people who are kind 0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:00.479 of like, you know, the word nazi gets abused these days, 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:05.680 but like restaurant people are like the food safety nazis right, 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:08.239 and so I think that they have all these like 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:12.360 best practices and if you've got health inspectors and on 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:14.440 and on and on. But I've been been doing it 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:18.879 my whole damn life, probably not following the rules of 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:24.839 a restaurant. No, not at all. But the reason where 0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:28.560 I use free stall freeze with game meat. And I 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:33.160 know what you guys do is you bone something out 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.600 and it's like you're in a hurry or wherever you're 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:37.799 traveling or don't have time, and you bone something out 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.680 and put it in gallon size zip block bags and 0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:42.960 kind of take them sharpie and sort of right on 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:45.520 there what you think is in the bag. And then 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:50.120 you later thought that bag out sorted out. I wonder 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.080 what idiot body of yours wrote what was written on 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.200 the bag, because it doesn't match up to what you 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:59.160 feel has come out of the bag. Sort it all out, 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:02.919 clean it all, get it and recipe ready pieces. Then 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.840 I refreeze it, then I thought, and need it. I 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:08.840 do that all the time, just for time's sake. You 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:10.560 don't want to if you come in, you drop a 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:12.120 deer off and you're going to do something else. You're 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.359 not just gonna let it sit if you can try 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:16.200 age it, or you're gonna age it somehow maybe, but 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:18.560 freeze it all the time, and then fall it and 0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:20.759 freeze it again, and fall it, freeze again, and then 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:22.600 you spend your whole life with people telling you can't 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:26.400 do that. These people out here, y'all know, because of 0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:29.120 all this labeling thing. I just started keeping a hand 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:33.200 grinder in the kitchen because I had so many instances 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:35.680 being like, oh yeah, I'm gonna have steak. I'm gonna 0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:38.480 have and I opened it up and it finally falls 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.800 out and I'm like, oh boy, I'm gonna have a 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:47.359 burger tonight. I think in our case, I don't want 0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:49.440 to throw anybody under the bus because they're not our 0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.480 idiot friends, but they just have less experience looking at 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.799 me and then writing down what it is. But it's uh, 0:47:55.800 --> 0:48:00.520 it's the camera guys. Yeah for sure. When I get 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:02.799 when I hit a mislabeled bag, I don't think it's you. 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:18.919 I think it's other people. Okay, yeah, yeah, he's he's 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.160 asking that like as the prepare, the cook, the chef, 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:23.920 however you want to put it, Like, when you're working 0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:26.080 with that piece of meat, do you notice a difference 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.279 or does the person that's just putting it in their 0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:31.640 mouth and chewing on it notice a difference if it's 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:36.640 been freeze frozendent thought or frozen thought multiple times. I 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.240 know it because it lets off a lot more water. 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:44.560 But um no, and you know what that would be. 0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:49.160 That's double blind the taste that the no double blind 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:52.320 is when the person administering the test doesn't know either, 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.400 that's double blind. That's nothing to do with what that 0:48:55.400 --> 0:49:04.600 guy's asking. The answer is go ahead, freeze tho, you're 0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:11.560 totally fine. Bear meat is delicious. Oh yeah, so bear 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:17.239 meat trick gnosis um. There are those who believe there 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:21.880 are those who believe that, and there's some you know, 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:26.920 there's some evidence that supports this, that freezing it sterilizes it. 0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:31.200 The right amount of freeze sterilizes it, and that now 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:36.719 prolonged exposure at lower tempts sterilize it. We're gonna do 0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:39.680 an article about this, which will have at the mediator 0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:42.319 dot com when it's ready, And it would be that 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:45.200 you could take so it's like that it takes one 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:49.200 sixty five to kill trick Anello spiralis or the various 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:54.480 species of trick Anela larva kills it. But it might 0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:58.960 be that you could suevied bear meat for eight hours 0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:02.759 or what you know, a day at one forty and 0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:05.840 get it. So it might be possible with new technologies 0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.799 for future generations to eat raw rare and I'm not raw, 0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:15.520 to eat rare bear meat. Safely. But I hesitate to 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:17.600 go and tell people to do something that I don't 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:26.200 really know is right, having been afflicted. Um, but yeah, 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:28.160 there's some there. It seems to be that. But then 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.799 here's the deal too, is like like trick and nos 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.960 as we say, trick Anela spiralis is a very common form. 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:39.600 But it seems that northern varieties might be more freezing, 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:43.400 that might be more resistant to freezing. Northern varieties of 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.919 the trick an ella what have you can handle that more? 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:49.160 Because I believe there I've been cases where people have 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.239 contracted it from meat that had been frozen for a 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:55.080 long time, and so southern varieties could kill them from freezing, 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:57.600 there are northern varieties that can't. So it gets a 0:50:57.600 --> 0:50:59.200 little bit tricky. So I don't know if we're gonna 0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:01.080 beating rare bear me anytime soon, but I think it's 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:06.000 on the horizon. There's hope, there's hope. I want to 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:07.840 revisit the thing we talked about a bunch, which is 0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:13.800 the saga of Steve ken Drots Busted Deer Antler, because 0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:16.080 I've told the story so many times I would like 0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:18.120 someone else to tell the story, and then I'll tell 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:22.640 the why I've now changed my mind about it. Cal 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:26.600 you were there, just tell the story. Call. Yeah. So 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:29.239 the quick and dirty on the story is you have 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:34.840 this two guys that our buddies. One guy shoots a 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:39.440 nice uh seek a deer stag um, it's got a 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:48.759 broken time right, His buddy um that same season shoots 0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:55.320 a seek a deer stag um that upon keeping the stag, 0:51:55.520 --> 0:52:01.920 he finds a time embedded in the deer's neck. Yes, correct. 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:07.560 Out of curiosity, he takes that time and is able 0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:11.920 to match it to Steve Kendrots seek a deer stag 0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:17.080 and it is a perfect match. Yes, that is the story. 0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:21.360 That's the story. And then we came into it and 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:27.600 berated the man on this show. The man kept the time, 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:31.799 so Steve's got the the deer that owned that once 0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:34.440 owned the time, and the man keeps the time that 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:38.080 belongs to Steve's deer. And they were happy. They were happy, 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.880 they were friends. Yeah, they were going on through life. 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:42.759 And then we had come in and started the pot 0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:46.000 and we I thought that was an offensive idea, and 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:50.719 I thought that Steve should get his time back, and 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:54.200 we berated the man so much that he sends Steve 0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:59.760 the time, But now I feel like I was wrong 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:06.280 because because this is all about guilt as he caught 0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.239 win that these people are talking about how bad he 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.439 is that he didn't and then sends him the damn time. 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:14.200 But then someone was like, it used to be that 0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:19.600 two people had a cool story, and two people could 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:24.400 have guests come to their home. They could point at 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:30.040 a shelf and say, see that, and then tell about it. 0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:33.439 But now only one guy has a cool story, only 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:36.600 one because the guy don't even have the damn time. Yeah, 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:38.759 no conversations. No one's gonna be like, hey, what's that 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:40.760 all about? And oh, I'll tell you what that's all about. 0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:43.520 But not only one guy's got a good story. But 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:46.040 a guy wrote in about something that was interesting. So 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:50.319 he's at a party and a guy, he says, one 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:52.360 of the guests at the party starts some and he 0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:55.600 uses quotes. He starts some quote ship at the party 0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.680 and his cousin who's the host of the party, goes 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.680 to call in the situation down and the man who 0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:07.120 started the problem, uh punches him right into face, real hard, 0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:14.120 knocks him out. He leaves. The next morning. The guy, 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:16.520 the guy that got punched, he's hungover, but he wakes 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:20.279 up and realized he no longer has his tooth, and 0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.640 they go and scour all around the yard and can't 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:28.880 find the tooth. A week later, everyone gets word that 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:33.880 the man who punched him is sick and in the hospital. 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.560 The eventually find out that he's got some sort of infection, 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:44.000 and it turns out that this tooth is buried in 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:48.720 this man's hand, causing a nasty infection makes him sick. 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:52.360 And he pointed out that no one ever called him 0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:58.719 and gave him his tooth back. So he thinks that 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.560 if that's how it goes with humans, so it should 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:07.799 go with deer and deer hunters. On a related note, 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:13.200 a person had this experience. His brother, his brother in law, 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.640 gets a new bow. You know this story. His brother 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:16.960 law gets a new bow and they go out on 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:19.800 the rain and he's gonna like shoot the bow and 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.360 I'm gonna get this right. How he does this, The 0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:24.960 string slips out of his grip because it's a wet 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:28.760 string and smacks his hand and he doesn't think anything 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:30.960 of it, but he has a lot of problems with 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:35.640 his hand after that. Five years later, he's sitting in 0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.799 a hot tub and out of his hand comes the 0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:43.400 knocking point which he carried around, not the knock of 0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:46.200 an air of the arrow, but the little little metal 0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:50.000 point it's on like a traditional bowl where you put 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:53.000 your the knock of the arrow onto the string just 0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:55.240 underneath it that holds it there. Yeah, the little metal 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.600 ferrell that you pinch onto a string. He unknowingly carried 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:02.080 in his hand for five years and then it popped out, 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:03.880 and he sent me a picture of both his hand 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:10.840 and the thing. So I believe him, you guys. Uh, 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:12.759 so he believes about the hot tube. He might have 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.319 been making that up for Yeah, he might have been 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:19.520 doing something weird. Six chicks so yeah, a bunch of 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:26.600 ladies is namby got a birthday tonight. No one today, nobody. 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:29.200 Oh there you go. Good, we'll get We'll get back 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:33.680 to you. You know, I get it. The dude um 0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:37.120 and his bow blew up on him. He was letting down, 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:41.200 called this bowl in. I told him don't shoot it, 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:46.120 because I felt very strongly that we're gonna get on 0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:49.239 this real big ball. And as he was letting his 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:56.080 bow down, it explodes, no idea. Why Um, the string 0:56:56.400 --> 0:57:02.480 smashes his left hand. He's supporting the bow with and 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:07.319 for at least a month, the guy would send me 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:12.040 pictures of what looked like a perfect tattoo of the 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:16.720 bowstring and the d loop on the web of his 0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:20.520 left hand. So I can see how that knock point 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:23.080 would get in bed at have a little bit of 0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:25.200 energy to get in there is then we got a 0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:34.400 birthday tomorrow. Yeah, they got a lot of life left though, 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:40.200 that'll be fine. I don't like reward. I don't like 0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:45.560 reward youth. Uh. I like to find people in the 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:49.439 autumn of their existence and try to make and try 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:55.640 to lavish the enjoyment on them. Oh, the get a 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:57.720 couple of different questions. One, you guys have a new 0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:06.520 Oregon finally has a new established road kill law. That 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:09.240 that's something I've really failed to understand it all, is 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.560 how some states would have it be that you it 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.800 seems to be like a god given right that if 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:19.080 you were to run something over there, like you're driving 0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:22.240 your car and you run something over that there, there 0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:26.080 could be the possibility of an argument that you should 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:27.960 not be able to eat that thing, and the Lord 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:32.160 said it shall be delicious. It's just just like it's like, 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:34.320 oh no, no, no, No, we know you'd like to 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:37.080 go home and and and utilize it and eat it, 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:39.160 but it's very important to us that you let it 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:44.920 bloat on the side of the road, uh in a 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:47.920 in a track, flies and smell bad, and it's just 0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.760 it's important us that that's what happens to that, dear. 0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:56.080 I have as a conscientious objector. I have violated road 0:58:56.160 --> 0:59:01.360 kill laws many times, and almost as did the other day. 0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:03.040 But it happened to be the dead deer was in 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:04.440 my yard and I felt like I would be a 0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:10.720 suspect and he had been hit real good. But so 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:12.680 Oregon has a new thing where you can go and 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:17.480 if people can file and get a permit for road kill, 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:20.800 and so since January they have I think since about 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:24.080 a week ago. Um, you guys, state has issued one 0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:29.080 hundred and sixty seven permits for deer and elk. So 0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:32.560 that's pretty nice. We had to road kill sandwiches the 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:36.040 other day. You eating road kill sandwiches? Yeah? Oh dirt, 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:41.880 myth Dirt's dad Pop Dirt. He uh smack, you guys 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:46.040 know him, saw somebody else smack a deer right next 0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:50.560 to their house and uh so he scooped it up 0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:57.040 Apparently it was tougher than hell um and they pressure 0:59:57.040 --> 1:00:00.560 cooked it, and uh, that's that's what eight. When we're 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:04.400 ice fishing the other day, he's a he's a thrifty dude. Dude, 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:08.440 we would usually limit like we would usually limit picking 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:12.160 up deer too, that someone you saw someone hit it, 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:15.600 or you like, are running somewhere real quick, and then 1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:18.160 you run there real quick and there's no dead deer. 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:21.480 And then you're running back and there is and you 1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:23.480 do all the math in your head and you realize, 1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:28.040 are you on foot at this point? No, No, it 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:30.280 would be dry and dry like you like, you're like 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:32.640 I went to my buddies and then an hour later, 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:35.360 you know, and you figure out the death of it 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:37.880 went on. We had we got an interesting stories from 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:41.320 two people are talking about like rules governing road kill, 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:43.440 and then they're kind of related. I didn't catch one 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:46.840 of these guys the state one of these guys is from. 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:51.680 But motorist in front of a gentleman hits the deer. 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:57.720 The deer is still alive in the road. That motorist 1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:02.919 gets out and drags the he's still living deer out 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:07.600 of the road in departs. This guy happens to have 1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:12.240 a concealed carry permit. He calls the police and says, 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:15.280 I have a deer here that a guy in front 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:17.680 of me hit. It's still alive. I have a pistol 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:21.400 with me. Um. I would like to keep the deer, 1:01:21.720 --> 1:01:22.960 and I would like to be able to shoot the 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:26.040 deer because it's still alive. And they say, you cannot 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:31.280 shoot that deer. We will have an officer out in 1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:35.040 thirty minutes. So rather than so, he goes out and 1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:39.720 strangles the deer because he doesn't want to break the law. 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:43.480 What about The next logical step is that if you 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:46.880 can't shoot it, strangle it. But that's where it's funny. 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:50.280 So then an officer shows up and it's and he says, well, 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:53.200 here's what happened, and the officer explains that he sure 1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:55.440 is glad that he strangled it, because they sure as 1:01:55.440 --> 1:01:59.600 hell wouldn't want to shoot it. A guy from Texas 1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:03.800 wrote in a about this where he comes across an 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:07.760 accident where a deer has been hit and there's an 1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:13.920 officer there observing the wounded deer. He gets out and 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:17.640 the officer explains that she does not feel right shooting 1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:25.520 the deer. And would he hands him the service pistol. Yeah, 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:28.480 he wrote in about how strange he thought this was 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:36.120 shot twice in the air. Pop hands him the service pistol, 1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:39.919 which he uses to dispatch the deer. One thing leads 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:42.760 to another, and eventually he has it tucked into his 1:02:42.840 --> 1:02:50.440 pants as they're messing around, and it gets to a 1:02:50.520 --> 1:02:53.160 part of the interaction where he pulls the pistol out 1:02:53.160 --> 1:02:56.080 of his waistband and hands it back to the officer 1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:59.200 and then goes about his business with his deer. That's 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:04.040 awful gangster of that guy. It's it's like very very gangster. Yeah. 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:06.840 I mean, you know, my little sister is a cop. Right. 1:03:07.800 --> 1:03:11.560 I don't think that's a part of the gig. I 1:03:11.560 --> 1:03:16.120 don't think they cover that in school. Oh it's Texas 1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:21.600 cal Well. What was we talked recently another show? We 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:27.040 talked about, uh, what the most valuable thing you learned? Like, 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:30.920 what's the most valuable thing you learned from your father? 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:34.400 And I remember you were looking for a little clarity 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:36.320 as we discussed this, and you meant like in life 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:40.680 in general, or like hunting, fishing, outdoor type things. And 1:03:42.080 --> 1:03:47.400 there's a there's a miss there because we should have 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:49.960 talked about as well, like what would be the most 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:55.160 valuable thing you learned from your mother? But I think 1:03:55.160 --> 1:03:58.560 that guys get so like the whole father son thing 1:03:58.600 --> 1:04:01.320 really can kind of take a person over. But what 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:06.400 was the most valuable thing you learned from your mom? Hunting? Fishing, outdoors, cooking? 1:04:06.840 --> 1:04:11.160 You know, Yanna, you're taking this one. You had to 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:15.720 throw the cooking in there. Just helpful vacuum really from 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:26.400 my mother, you know, that's all she did. I'm kidding. Um, Well, 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:30.280 with dads, you're like, yeah, hunting, fishing, and then mom 1:04:30.400 --> 1:04:33.720 is like hunting, fishing, cooking. So I just went on 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:37.960 step farther and said vacuuming. Oh yeah. But the deal is, 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:42.000 there's like a reality to it that all the guys like, 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:46.800 and it's hard to unpack. You can't unpack all the 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:49.640 nurture nature things that it just gets really complicated, But 1:04:49.960 --> 1:04:53.440 just a reality that at a time, you know, all 1:04:53.560 --> 1:04:56.360 the all the guys in my family participated in some 1:04:56.400 --> 1:05:00.880 way in our media area, like all the guy participated 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:03.800 to some extent in hunting and fishing, and it just 1:05:03.840 --> 1:05:06.720 so happens that virtually none of the women in my 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:09.960 family did not. Because I don't think it's because of 1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:14.240 native proclivity, but just because of you create like a 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:17.320 cultural inertia. Yeah, and your mom did most of the 1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:20.240 while game cooking right, other than it was a deep fried. 1:05:20.320 --> 1:05:25.160 My mom cooked it right, and my dad deep fried everything, 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:27.520 but he kept the deep frier in the garage, so 1:05:27.720 --> 1:05:31.080 like made it almost more like it was almost more 1:05:31.160 --> 1:05:33.880 like mechanicckng. You know, you like go to the damn 1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:36.600 like you had to go to the garage to cook it. 1:05:37.920 --> 1:05:40.520 So he had made it his own right, must be clear. 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:43.520 My dad vacuum the hell out of the rug like 1:05:43.520 --> 1:05:49.280 it was a good vacuum. Yeah. Back up every night, man, 1:05:51.280 --> 1:05:52.680 I don't know. My mom would always tell me, like, 1:05:52.720 --> 1:05:54.919 you know, wash your hands, eat your vegetual stuff like that, 1:05:54.960 --> 1:06:00.760 so that was key. But beyond that, um, the same 1:06:00.800 --> 1:06:07.800 as you. My mom never never hunted. Never Uh she 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:10.240 encouraged me to hunt. I don't know, you never meant 1:06:10.280 --> 1:06:17.840 my mom all Now I feel like doing a your 1:06:17.880 --> 1:06:21.680 mom was not encouraging, uh, encouragement. That would be a 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:23.200 good when I'll give that to you. But my mom 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:27.520 was accepting, not only accepting of the things that we did, 1:06:27.520 --> 1:06:30.480 but passionate about our passion, right, So there's a way 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:33.360 to inject you know, it will be like this is 1:06:33.440 --> 1:06:36.720 my wife as well. There's a way to inject uh 1:06:36.920 --> 1:06:40.360 energy into something that you aren't passionate about by accepting it, 1:06:40.960 --> 1:06:44.040 promoting it, and understanding that. You know, all our wives, 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:46.040 all our moms, understand that it's something that we are 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:49.200 driven by. And they put no no blockades in front 1:06:49.200 --> 1:06:52.280 of us, no bearers in front of us. They take 1:06:52.400 --> 1:06:54.560 they help us push them down, right. So that's what 1:06:54.640 --> 1:06:57.120 my mom did for me, because although she wasn't out 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:59.959 there like my dad was, she was pushing down every 1:07:00.000 --> 1:07:02.120 area I had to go out and hunt. Everything she 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:03.880 could do for me to make sure I was prepared 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:05.960 to go. Everything she could do to make sure it 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:08.120 was cooked when I got back. She was always pushing 1:07:08.160 --> 1:07:10.480 down those barriers to help us go outside. So I 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:19.880 appreciate that that's good my mom um. My mom was 1:07:19.920 --> 1:07:23.919 pretty thrifty and the early hunting clothes that we had, 1:07:24.760 --> 1:07:31.400 my mom would buy wool and sew us wool suits 1:07:32.440 --> 1:07:36.360 to wear out hunting. She they had a garden and 1:07:37.440 --> 1:07:41.480 she would uh can so we had a canning room 1:07:41.600 --> 1:07:44.400 full all the glass jars lined up. She would can 1:07:45.640 --> 1:07:49.160 dear meat in the jars if we when we had 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:51.360 brought home squirrels, she would help us get all the 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:54.920 squirrels parted out, and then she would cram them in 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:57.120 a crock pot and pour in cream and mushroom soup 1:07:57.640 --> 1:08:01.280 and cook them for us. She would roast ducks for us. 1:08:01.480 --> 1:08:03.960 She would on rainy cold days, she would drive us 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:07.480 around to check our muskrat traps in her car. And 1:08:07.520 --> 1:08:10.680 it was all of this kind of like it was. 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:14.640 It wasn't glamorous, but it was all this like really 1:08:14.960 --> 1:08:19.240 supportive stuff where she recognized there was value in it. 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:22.240 But to get a sense of so so I'm forty five, 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:24.240 my dad was fifty when he had me. He was 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:27.480 born in She was quite a bit younger than him, 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:30.000 but they were there was like a different time, and 1:08:30.040 --> 1:08:33.599 to get a sense of how dudes interacted, like like 1:08:33.640 --> 1:08:37.760 how men interacted with women, my father interacted my mother 1:08:37.960 --> 1:08:40.840 would be that my mother would go and like an 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:43.840 anecdote that explains sort of that relationship and how opportunities 1:08:43.840 --> 1:08:46.840 my mother would on Thanksgiving would like get a turk, 1:08:46.920 --> 1:08:48.720 not not shoot a turkey, but we would always cook 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:51.559 a store about turk on Thanksgiving. So they're frozen in 1:08:51.640 --> 1:08:55.240 this big damn plastic bag, you know, and she would 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:58.160 thaw the thing out in tub of water. She'd get 1:08:58.160 --> 1:09:01.479 the or the giblets out and boil the giblets and 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:04.800 make all this stuff season the bird, stuff the bird, 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:08.799 rolls the bird, do everything. That's all the work. Guys 1:09:08.840 --> 1:09:11.360 all day would do nothing to help, and then it 1:09:11.400 --> 1:09:14.519 would be done, and my dad would make this big 1:09:14.640 --> 1:09:20.920 show of carving the bird. It'd be like, now, now, 1:09:21.280 --> 1:09:25.559 little miss, we all know where your talents and uh, 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:31.160 did you see this? Yeah, I will u cut its 1:09:31.200 --> 1:09:35.680 leg off because that that's beyond you. And like she 1:09:35.720 --> 1:09:37.840 would just allow this kind of stuff to happen. That's 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:39.720 a perfect analogy for like how we think about our 1:09:39.800 --> 1:09:41.560 dads and our moms when it comes to hunting or 1:09:41.600 --> 1:09:44.760 anything outside really, you know, and traditionally it's true that 1:09:44.800 --> 1:09:47.360 we don't give him credit. Yeah, we build our fathers 1:09:47.400 --> 1:09:49.439 up as these great figures. And we talked about I 1:09:49.479 --> 1:09:52.439 talked about my dad all the time, like taking you 1:09:52.439 --> 1:09:58.519 out anything your mom, Like my mom would buy and 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:01.920 stitch us will hunting clothes and she doesn't get to 1:10:01.920 --> 1:10:08.559 make it into a story. Sorry, moms. Road man, I 1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:12.960 gotta tell you I grew up a little different. We know, 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:18.880 cal Hey tell counterfeits, Mike, is that on past tensing? 1:10:20.400 --> 1:10:23.120 Let me see your thing? Thanks? You get a hanging thing. 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:28.080 I'll look at this. Yeah, friends, help, thank you? Selling 1:10:28.120 --> 1:10:36.800 all right here here here, Hello, I don't want to 1:10:37.680 --> 1:10:45.240 hello my friends. Hello. Alright. So my mom would be 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:49.759 out like crawling around on her hands and knees catching 1:10:49.800 --> 1:11:00.280 grasshoppers so we could go fish time and fanatical fisher him. 1:11:00.520 --> 1:11:07.040 She super obsessive about fishing. Her mom. My grandma's the 1:11:07.080 --> 1:11:12.840 exact same way. Um, grandma never threw a fish back 1:11:12.880 --> 1:11:19.680 in the river in her entire life. Encouragement from that 1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:24.120 lady like you wanna believe I have a picture sheet? Uh? 1:11:24.240 --> 1:11:26.559 I wanted to learn how to fly fish at eighty 1:11:26.680 --> 1:11:29.439 nine years old. She called me up and was like, 1:11:29.600 --> 1:11:32.599 you need to drive up here and teach me how 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:34.479 to fly fish. And I said, yeah, no problem, I'll 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:37.800 be up you know in July. She said, Ryan, I'm 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:43.679 eighty nine. You gotta come up here this weekend, which 1:11:43.800 --> 1:11:47.639 was an eight hour drive. But I did it. And 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:53.000 she had an oxygen tank on her back and she 1:11:53.120 --> 1:11:57.080 had it turned off. This woman's got one long uh, 1:11:57.280 --> 1:12:01.800 so she could preserve her oxygen so she could prolong 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:10.479 her fishing. Uh I was holding on to I was like, well, 1:12:10.520 --> 1:12:12.360 you gotta cast a little bit further. You gotta cast 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:15.200 a little bit further. And she waded into the river 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:19.679 and I had to grab her by basically her pants 1:12:19.680 --> 1:12:22.880 and her underwear, which was not the most comfortable thing 1:12:23.120 --> 1:12:27.280 for the grandson, UM, to prevent her from falling into 1:12:27.280 --> 1:12:33.040 the river. And uh I copped one big fish that day, 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:36.559 and uh, I have this great picture that I think 1:12:36.560 --> 1:12:40.880 my mom got as I released this big brown trout 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:44.640 into the river. Her face was like torture and her 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:51.440 hands were out like this and she's going no. Uh 1:12:51.640 --> 1:12:58.560 So those women, uh were absolutely vital. And my enjoyment 1:12:58.760 --> 1:13:01.800 of the outdoors lots of encouragement, and some of my 1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:12.160 absolute first outdoor memories were because of those two gals. Yanni, 1:13:13.479 --> 1:13:15.280 you have to have a good one, Janni, because your 1:13:15.439 --> 1:13:18.720 least tolerant of your my jokes. Oh I got I 1:13:18.760 --> 1:13:22.040 got a lot to bring to the table for this one, Um. 1:13:22.080 --> 1:13:24.719 And to be clear, I hope nobody takes that damn. 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:27.479 I was making a joke on a bad joke about 1:13:27.520 --> 1:13:31.200 the vacuum, So please yeah, you were doing me you all. 1:13:31.360 --> 1:13:33.000 I think you say you tell me that you know 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:35.680 me better than nothing. The reaction I got there on 1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:40.040 that one. So you were like, you were uh parodying 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:45.160 thank you you you were parodying uh Tucker Carlson impression. 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:50.400 I don't know who that is. You gotta keep up 1:13:50.400 --> 1:13:52.840 on your current events. Go ahead, what's tell tell us 1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:58.200 about your mom? He's he's a hunter angler. Yeah, he's 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:03.000 gotta have a lot more time to do that. I 1:14:03.080 --> 1:14:05.840 want what's interesting, because I want I went to an event. 1:14:05.920 --> 1:14:07.599 I went to an event one time at t RCP 1:14:07.720 --> 1:14:13.320 event and the m c s who are friends. Surprisingly 1:14:13.479 --> 1:14:16.599 it was m seed by Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow 1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:21.320 who are friends and both like the fish. I'm not joking. 1:14:22.160 --> 1:14:29.200 Go ahead, ni um. This is a tough one because 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:32.120 you know how much I love my mom. Do a 1:14:32.200 --> 1:14:34.960 year my joke to Yanni. I one time did a 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:36.880 year my joke Yanni, and he told me the next 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:38.960 time I did that, I was gonna see a blinding 1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:44.639 flash of silver from his power ring and that would 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:48.320 be the last thing I ever saw, not ever, just 1:14:48.400 --> 1:14:51.200 for the yeah, at that moment, it would go black 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:56.719 after that uma when it comes to I'll make a 1:14:56.760 --> 1:14:59.280 brief when it comes to hunting and fishing, I really 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:03.640 can't remember anything that she specifically would have taught me 1:15:03.680 --> 1:15:06.439 that would relate to the outdoors. I mean, she certainly 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:08.799 she encouraged us, and she took us to boy Scouts 1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:11.720 and whatnot. But earlier, when we were hanging out, um, 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:15.920 before the big crowd got here, um, somebody asked us 1:15:15.960 --> 1:15:20.240 about like what we learned from our our our dad's 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:23.320 was that what the question was? Yeah, okay, And so 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:25.719 I was saying about my dad at times it felt 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:29.760 like he worked as like little child slaves, and but 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:31.880 from that I got a good work ethic out of 1:15:31.880 --> 1:15:34.479 the deal. Right. Well, I think my mom was like 1:15:34.600 --> 1:15:38.679 definitely the yang to that yang where she didn't really 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:42.280 like hammer on us that at all, but she just 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:44.720 like whatever we did, no matter how bad we were, 1:15:44.840 --> 1:15:47.679 and we were bad at times, like really really bad, 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:51.679 like drove her batty and and two tears often, I think, 1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:55.040 but she always accepted us and always loved us, and 1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:57.920 I think over the years it just taught she The 1:15:57.960 --> 1:16:00.120 biggest thing that she taught me to always just like 1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:04.640 to love, like no matter how bad someone can be 1:16:04.840 --> 1:16:07.000 or do something wrong, and just to always like just 1:16:07.080 --> 1:16:09.519 be like that's that's fine, and just continue to love 1:16:09.560 --> 1:16:12.360 and try to, you know, keep your heart open, not 1:16:12.479 --> 1:16:16.840 get down on people. And what's that got to do 1:16:16.840 --> 1:16:20.400 with hunting and fishing? What does it have to do 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:22.600 with hunting and fishing? Keep your heart open, keep your 1:16:22.600 --> 1:16:28.040 heart open? Is Janice has headed down in two or 1:16:28.080 --> 1:16:31.960 three days, he's driving down for his mother's surprise birthday 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:35.360 party Denver, Colorado. Is she gonna listen to this? You think? 1:16:37.280 --> 1:16:39.240 You know, there's the thing I wanted to like a 1:16:39.280 --> 1:16:41.519 long air we've made where you know, we're always talking 1:16:41.520 --> 1:16:45.880 about writers, and someone was he's written a couple of 1:16:45.880 --> 1:16:50.560 times about this. We're saying that we do Patrick McManus 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:57.799 a great disservice by not celebrating Patrick mumanus. Another person 1:16:57.880 --> 1:17:02.720 wrote in where he was observing, how we use we 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:06.920 mean the people on this year program, well use sometimes 1:17:07.000 --> 1:17:12.599 creek and sometimes creek. Now I want to combine these 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:19.560 two things because Patrick McManus has the best working definition 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:22.519 of what the difference between a creek and a creek is. 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:25.120 He observed that if you can find a spare tire 1:17:25.200 --> 1:17:34.360 in it somewhere it's a creek. In the absence of tires, 1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:41.960 it becomes a creek, which I feel works well. So 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:44.600 there we've taken care of the Patrick McManus problem, and 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:47.400 I've explained how you can tell a creek from a creek. 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:53.360 There's a question that that that we've wrestled with before. 1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:55.440 I want I want to get to it once is, uh, 1:17:55.439 --> 1:17:59.920 how do you get rid of hunting or fishing partner? 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:05.120 And how do you do it? When do you do it? 1:18:05.160 --> 1:18:07.920 And have you done it? And he points to someone 1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:10.519 that the reason I bumped this question up in the 1:18:10.560 --> 1:18:15.200 list because I was reading something from someone who got 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:20.519 kind of screwed real bad. Where they had There's a 1:18:20.520 --> 1:18:24.799 group of guys and they got some little uh public 1:18:24.880 --> 1:18:27.360 land hidie holes for ducks that they like to hunt, 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:30.880 um that they aren't really well known, and they got 1:18:30.880 --> 1:18:33.639 some private land spots they like to hunt, and they 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:37.120 got they took a buddy of theirs out and not 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:41.240 only did the buddy then wound up guiding on those spots, 1:18:41.840 --> 1:18:44.439 but uses pictures from the day they took him to 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:50.160 those spots on his website and he goes, he still 1:18:50.200 --> 1:18:54.960 wants to hunt with us, Should we let him but 1:18:55.040 --> 1:18:56.800 have you Yeah, how do you like? Have you ever 1:18:56.840 --> 1:19:00.800 had to go through the awkward and awkward breakup, an 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:04.720 awkward hunting and fishing break up, No it's not you, 1:19:04.760 --> 1:19:10.880 it's me kind of thing. Yeah, No, I've never had too. 1:19:11.200 --> 1:19:14.760 I've always said pretty, you know, pretty good relationship with 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:17.920 hunting partners. You never had to end one, never won. 1:19:18.880 --> 1:19:21.000 I've had some people that I thought it were dicks 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:24.160 that I never would have partnered up with. Is generally 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:27.720 avoided from the get go, from the get go. Yeah, 1:19:28.040 --> 1:19:29.799 you gotta be a good judge of character. I imagine 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:33.240 I got nothing. Man, I've solved this through a couple 1:19:33.280 --> 1:19:44.040 of long walks. Uh and then there's just no more asking. 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:51.880 They call that a disciplinary hike, and uh yeah, there's 1:19:52.000 --> 1:19:59.120 been a a couple of just real straightforward like listen, 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:05.439 it's just it's not gonna work out. Yeah, that I 1:20:05.439 --> 1:20:07.479 can think of. I don't want to get into specific 1:20:07.520 --> 1:20:10.400 because I don't want to because none of them are dead. Um, 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:17.080 but I've never done like I've never had. I've I've 1:20:17.120 --> 1:20:20.040 never been a situation where you had to be articulated, 1:20:22.400 --> 1:20:25.599 meaning that if it if it wasn't a good match, 1:20:25.720 --> 1:20:29.599 if the compatibility was bad. It would just you could. 1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:32.479 I think that both parties would feel it. I've never 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:35.280 had where I'm like, man, I will never go somewhere 1:20:35.280 --> 1:20:37.800 with this guy again, and then had him still want 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:42.400 to go somewhere, Like I think that that I'm maybe 1:20:42.400 --> 1:20:46.720 I'm not transparent about it, but I've had it, and 1:20:46.760 --> 1:20:49.200 we would even talk about we would even have a 1:20:49.200 --> 1:20:53.120 word for it, where me and my main crew we 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:56.920 would say that someone had been o t CED, meaning 1:20:56.920 --> 1:21:02.240 they were out of the club, and it just people 1:21:02.400 --> 1:21:05.559 get OLTC. But you would never like notify someone. You 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:07.880 just would stop inviting them. I thought maybe you throw 1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:10.040 them over a counter or something. No, not over the counter. 1:21:12.800 --> 1:21:16.240 All college days though, right, it's like big mixing pot 1:21:16.240 --> 1:21:19.960 of folks and you know you're at a party and 1:21:19.960 --> 1:21:22.040 everybody's like, oh I like to hunt. I like to hunt. 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:26.200 I had a couple of ones there it was like whoa, hey, 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:29.000 I didn't get the call, Like, yeah, it's interesting that 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:35.519 you brought that up. You're always late, you never pay 1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:43.080 for gas, you have no spots, you are out of 1:21:43.120 --> 1:21:47.040 the club. But the fellow that wrote in, I mean 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:53.600 he's very clear, just like no way. Yeah, that feels egregious. 1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:57.479 The times when I've when I've broken up with someone, 1:21:57.600 --> 1:22:01.400 it would become it would be where they're where there 1:22:02.160 --> 1:22:08.120 came to be a like an incongruity or like like 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:11.360 a lack of consistency about how open I was being 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:13.760 with where we're going, and then whether or not that 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:17.640 would be like reciprocated where I would be like I 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:20.080 would go like, I'll take you to go check out 1:22:20.120 --> 1:22:23.360 this spot, and then you'd be like, hey, you know 1:22:23.400 --> 1:22:26.160 how you guys were getting into some you know whatever 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:28.760 the other day, Where were you guys exactly? And they 1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:33.080 wouldn't want to divulge. And that always I felt like 1:22:33.080 --> 1:22:35.479 like the minute you open it up and offer someone 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:40.680 take someone or give someone a spot, that there's like 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:44.479 a thing that there's like a understanding most people have 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:47.360 that that would be reciprocated. I'm starting to think, now, 1:22:47.439 --> 1:22:49.080 did anybody ever break up with me and I didn't 1:22:49.080 --> 1:22:55.120 know it. I'm open to the idea that it's happened 1:22:55.120 --> 1:23:01.800 to me. We haven't hunting together lately. Right now, I 1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:04.000 think I have to finish it off with the fact 1:23:04.040 --> 1:23:06.280 to say that it's like a very as they call them, 1:23:06.280 --> 1:23:08.960 first world problems, or it's like a luxury problem to 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:12.160 have to be thinking about getting rid of hunting partners, 1:23:12.200 --> 1:23:14.800 because I know a lot of people that don't can't 1:23:14.840 --> 1:23:17.760 find a single good hunting partner at all, you know, 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:21.479 So I think talking about like picking the best ones 1:23:21.720 --> 1:23:25.560 is very luxury to be thinking that way. You know, 1:23:25.600 --> 1:23:27.600 a lot of people just came and find one to 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:30.120 go out there. So you should just open your heart 1:23:30.160 --> 1:23:38.000 and keep loving the one that was good. That was good. Oh, 1:23:38.000 --> 1:23:40.599 that was good. I almost want to end. I almost 1:23:40.600 --> 1:23:41.960 want to end the show on that. But there's two 1:23:41.960 --> 1:23:46.000 more things I want to talk about. Uh. One thing 1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:49.120 it's interesting is there's an article that recently came out 1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:56.840 and it was about how wolves returning to Oregon in Washington, 1:23:56.960 --> 1:24:00.080 like what that would mean for deer hunters and what 1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:03.040 that means for deer. And an interesting study came out 1:24:03.040 --> 1:24:07.479 of University of Washington where in the press they found 1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:09.920 that in the it gets kind of interesting about mule 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:12.040 deer and white tailed deer looks at multies and white tails. 1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:16.040 They find that they didn't put it this way. This 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:18.880 is why I look at it would be no, no, 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:21.280 I'm not, I'm not. That's not a loaded sentence that 1:24:21.439 --> 1:24:25.320 in the presence of wolves, mule deer become like more 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:29.080 like mule deer, and in the presence of wolves, white 1:24:29.120 --> 1:24:33.479 tails become more like white tails, meaning that as mule 1:24:33.520 --> 1:24:39.000 deer face predation from wolves, they will sometimes shift their 1:24:39.760 --> 1:24:44.880 areas where they hang out by miles intend to go 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:52.280 into rockier, steeper country then where they would like to 1:24:52.320 --> 1:24:56.880 be in the absence of wolves facebook predation by wolves. 1:24:57.320 --> 1:25:01.920 White tailed deer conversely get or white tail ish and 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:07.120 want to go out into flatter, more open country. One 1:25:07.120 --> 1:25:10.479 of the things they attribute this too is you're familiar 1:25:10.520 --> 1:25:12.200 with I'll give you I'm gonna hit you boys with 1:25:12.280 --> 1:25:15.360 some trivia. What do you call the way a mule 1:25:15.400 --> 1:25:24.320 deer runs by his bounce, his bounce stopped, stopped, they 1:25:24.439 --> 1:25:30.120 stopped and stotting um gives them ability to jump and 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:35.280 navigate through very broken, rough terrain. And it seems that 1:25:35.439 --> 1:25:38.040 for whatever reason, they find that they can evade wolves 1:25:38.080 --> 1:25:43.559 better up in the nasty stink. White tails want to 1:25:43.560 --> 1:25:48.360 get downward. They can run long distances, faster and seymour. 1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:52.160 And to put a little bit of a negative on it, 1:25:52.320 --> 1:25:55.680 they say that it mule deer and the presence of 1:25:55.680 --> 1:25:58.439 wolves move into areas where they're more likely to get 1:25:58.439 --> 1:26:02.559 preyed upon by mountain Lions and deer move white tails 1:26:02.600 --> 1:26:05.759 move into areas where they're more likely to get smacked 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:09.960 by a car and then shot by a driver borrowing 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:18.400 the service pistol of of reluctant officer. They also gave 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:23.080 some some credence to a thing where and and they're 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:26.679 looking at it. It's like hunters red like as wolves 1:26:26.720 --> 1:26:28.639 move in and colonize more and more areas all time, 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:33.080 hunters get oftentimes get a sense of that there's been 1:26:33.120 --> 1:26:38.320 a great decline in game numbers, and they open up 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:42.639 the question in here that maybe as much as anything, 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:47.000 people are realizing that that where they go to traditionally 1:26:47.080 --> 1:26:51.320 find game isn't paying off. The assumption is that it's gone, 1:26:51.720 --> 1:26:55.000 when in fact it might be radically redistributed, and that 1:26:55.600 --> 1:27:00.200 they're not seeing. You know what, I got a thing 1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:02.840 for you. A friend of mine, former friend of mine. 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:06.880 He didn't get ourtc. We just lost touch. The writer 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:10.759 Chris off It, I wrote a book about his family, 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:14.439 to which his family took great offense, and he said, 1:27:14.479 --> 1:27:26.120 you know what, write your home book. So I'm recapping. 1:27:26.960 --> 1:27:31.000 I'm recapping the work I thought I was pretty clear. 1:27:33.120 --> 1:27:40.080 I'm explaining something that someone worked on. He finds that 1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:46.479 where was I the redistribution of game. Yeah, that there's 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:51.559 a redistribution of game, and they're finding more so than 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:55.760 an overall decline. But where it gets interesting is that 1:27:57.000 --> 1:28:00.360 the recap of it, like it touches on the eye idea. 1:28:00.720 --> 1:28:04.439 How ranchers have found that even though cattle are not 1:28:04.520 --> 1:28:09.080 getting killed necessarily, in some cases, they are not gaining 1:28:09.080 --> 1:28:14.559 weight is fast because they're dealing with so much added stress. 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:20.800 And so you might not see high mortality just from predation, 1:28:21.479 --> 1:28:26.639 but the fact of being displaced and added stress could 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:33.240 open animals up to higher mortality from other causes. It's 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:38.920 a little something, just just a short, short, little son 1:28:39.000 --> 1:28:44.960 short prief uh. Before we get into the last thing, 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:48.800 I want to talk about. What is one um? What 1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:52.840 is one thing you cook? Talk about one thing you 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:59.639 cook that you feel like everybody should know about. Hurt 1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:04.400 sam which is on Yeah, man, heart sandwiches. I stalk 1:29:04.479 --> 1:29:08.080 pile my hearts and my tongues. But like a medium 1:29:08.160 --> 1:29:13.719 rare heart sandwich that you know, the consistency of heart 1:29:14.439 --> 1:29:17.080 is perfect for a sandwich because you can cook and 1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:20.759 intact piece of meat. You don't have to like grind 1:29:20.800 --> 1:29:25.320 it up or slice it. And it's got bite, but 1:29:25.800 --> 1:29:27.920 no like pull to the bite. You know, it's not 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:30.559 like a tough chunk of meat. You know that's pretty 1:29:30.600 --> 1:29:35.679 good man. That's like that's a great t shirt. It's 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:38.840 got bite, but no pull to the bite. If if 1:29:38.880 --> 1:29:42.519 you know what that means, I will listen to what 1:29:42.560 --> 1:29:48.280 you have to say. It's true, it's got bite, there's 1:29:48.280 --> 1:29:55.320 no pull to the bite. Hurt sand dost sandos? How 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:56.640 do you cook her? I met a guy that was 1:29:56.680 --> 1:29:58.280 big in the heart sandwich is one time. I think 1:29:58.320 --> 1:30:00.240 it was in the state of New Hampshire. He'd like 1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:03.679 to cook his in tomato juice in a crock pot. 1:30:03.760 --> 1:30:11.040 For whatever reason. Dudes with people with crock pots the 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:14.200 whole cream and like you know people with crocot it 1:30:14.240 --> 1:30:18.640 comes with a can of soup. Yeah yeah yeah. So 1:30:19.120 --> 1:30:23.439 uh typically like my preparation right, like I'll get my 1:30:23.520 --> 1:30:28.840 heart out, cut it open, lay it out, clean her 1:30:28.880 --> 1:30:31.559 all up. I was gonna make an open heart sandwich joke. 1:30:31.640 --> 1:30:36.559 I thought that was heard sandwich. Your dad just had 1:30:36.680 --> 1:30:46.160 open heart sandwiches. It was a success. Uh, olive oil, 1:30:46.320 --> 1:30:49.040 salt and pepper, let its sit, you know, mix her 1:30:49.120 --> 1:30:52.920 up in a ball, let's sit and then uh like 1:30:53.040 --> 1:30:59.720 kapra say style like basil mozzarella, tomato uh mao, and 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:06.160 garlic butter on the bun like facaccia bun. And then uh, 1:31:07.080 --> 1:31:11.360 throw that heart on the grill, hot grill, medium rare 1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:17.320 on the sandough, not sliced all thin. Because what's nice 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:20.559 about the heart is you can literally, like if you 1:31:20.600 --> 1:31:23.040 wanted to, you can put the heart on top of 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:26.320 your bun and cut out the outline of the bun, 1:31:26.760 --> 1:31:32.720 making it like a perfect meat to bread ratio. You're 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:36.519 going a whole heart, no, not a hole. No, and 1:31:36.520 --> 1:31:38.160 it's a laid open Isn't that waste full of the 1:31:38.280 --> 1:31:43.639 remember the open your heart Joe open heart sandwich. But nights, 1:31:45.320 --> 1:31:47.320 I'm just trying to track make sure I'm yeah, well 1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:53.280 I'll make them. I got a pile of hearts. Uh, 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:55.040 go ahead and get you guys ready, because I can 1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:57.280 hit mine, no, hit yours, hit heres. I'm still thinking 1:31:57.600 --> 1:32:00.200 my foodding that I wish everybody knew about all You 1:32:00.240 --> 1:32:02.920 cannot go because you'll have something great. Oh no, mind's 1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:05.160 not great. No, it's not great. Okay, go ahead, everybody, 1:32:05.200 --> 1:32:06.600 knew about it. No, if it's not great, go for it. 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:08.840 They're gonna have to wait. Uh, I'm gonna do a 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:13.320 lot dry agent lately. And because of that, the cuts 1:32:13.320 --> 1:32:15.439 in the on the highend leg that you might normally 1:32:15.560 --> 1:32:18.160 roast or you might normally put in a stew or something. 1:32:18.200 --> 1:32:20.519 I've been trying to, you know, smoke. We smoked in 1:32:20.560 --> 1:32:22.559 the office the other day, smoked the acoust der hind 1:32:22.640 --> 1:32:25.200 leg and just took the rounds and and everything just 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:28.120 made steak. Just smoke and slice them thin. It was great. 1:32:28.640 --> 1:32:31.040 But I've discovered, especially on the elk, the eye of 1:32:31.120 --> 1:32:34.080 round is like this beautiful hidden tender loin that just 1:32:34.120 --> 1:32:37.040 sits inside of that back leg. So whether you age 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:40.000 it or not, you ought to be searing, like probably 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:43.040 reverse searing that I have around, just like it's a 1:32:43.080 --> 1:32:45.599 tender loin. Man, it's delicious. Don't forget about it. A 1:32:45.600 --> 1:32:47.560 lot of people forget about doing that. I love it 1:32:48.479 --> 1:32:52.960 around the eye of round. Someone was asking and I 1:32:52.960 --> 1:32:54.840 can't have found a good answer. They don't like when 1:32:54.880 --> 1:32:58.599 they age venison and you cut the rind off, they 1:32:58.600 --> 1:33:04.360 feel wasteful, Yeah, discarding the rind and there's I don't 1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:08.439 I discard it. It's also occurred to me I feel 1:33:08.479 --> 1:33:10.840 like someone to make a good contribution to wild game 1:33:10.880 --> 1:33:15.040 cuisine should notify the rest of us about a good 1:33:15.200 --> 1:33:19.040 use for the rind. Once it's trimmed off. Cow feels 1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:22.519 dog treats his That's a great when cow feels strongly 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:24.800 that you shouldn't need it, right, I mean you feel 1:33:24.800 --> 1:33:27.880 like that. It's to go back to a point you 1:33:27.920 --> 1:33:31.280 made earlier. I I mean, I ate some in the 1:33:31.320 --> 1:33:33.960 office the other day. Just try it. That's me dealing 1:33:33.960 --> 1:33:36.840 with my own health. I'm not gonna recommend. Yeah, I know, 1:33:36.880 --> 1:33:39.439 I understand's got a lot of problems, guys. Yeah, he's 1:33:39.439 --> 1:33:42.680 working on them. But you know, white mold. We were 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:45.960 white mold on salami and stuff like that all the time. 1:33:46.080 --> 1:33:49.479 So um, you know how he's dogging earlier on chefs 1:33:49.479 --> 1:33:52.240 and how pert snicky they are about food safety. A 1:33:52.360 --> 1:33:55.040 chef buddy mind if it's not black and fuzzy, he 1:33:55.080 --> 1:33:58.120 doesn't pay any attention to it. He doesn't like black 1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:00.600 fuzzy mold. But other than that, uh, did you know 1:34:00.600 --> 1:34:02.920 what's hanging to my garage? I have that? Yeah, I 1:34:02.960 --> 1:34:05.000 did see that. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm waiting for that 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:09.439 thing to become all rind. When it's rind all the 1:34:09.479 --> 1:34:17.080 way through, I'm gonna cook it as it's just it's 1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:20.840 just a team has like hanging from a hook above 1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:25.040 his work bench. What is basically at this point a 1:34:25.280 --> 1:34:31.360 desiccated deer leg. No, it's it's all cleaned, all it's 1:34:31.360 --> 1:34:34.639 been eating except for the shank. But it looks as 1:34:34.680 --> 1:34:38.640 if like the dog snagged it off the highway and 1:34:38.760 --> 1:34:48.000 drug it into the house. I have a plane to 1:34:48.200 --> 1:34:50.040 what I'm gonna do with that thing. I just called 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:56.280 Sean Brock's name. He's a good dude. I'm like, I 1:34:56.280 --> 1:34:58.920 didn't like this guy first. I'm starting like my one 1:34:59.640 --> 1:35:02.240 because this comes into where, uh my thing I wish 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:05.280 everybody knew about is are you good on yours? I'm 1:35:05.320 --> 1:35:09.040 pretty good? Are you good? I'm good? Are we good together? Okay? Duck? 1:35:10.040 --> 1:35:16.720 It's like to take a puddle duck and pluck the 1:35:16.800 --> 1:35:20.479 duck and you cut off where you have the breast 1:35:20.560 --> 1:35:24.720 flay is boneless, and the back leg is bone in, 1:35:25.479 --> 1:35:27.719 and the back leg is connected to the breast flay 1:35:27.880 --> 1:35:30.400 by the skin. You can see how to do this 1:35:30.680 --> 1:35:33.759 in the mediator fishing game. Cookbook, which is available everywhere 1:35:36.400 --> 1:35:40.439 books are sold, and you take it and then you 1:35:41.720 --> 1:35:45.720 score the skin both ways so that you wind up 1:35:45.760 --> 1:35:50.280 with little centimeter squares of skin. Score it with a 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:53.559 sharp knife. Then you turn your oven on four degrees, 1:35:54.920 --> 1:35:57.120 and once it's good and hot, you get a super 1:35:57.160 --> 1:36:02.920 hot skillet and lay the thing skin down on this 1:36:03.320 --> 1:36:06.439 lightly oiled super hot skillet. It's skin down on there 1:36:06.520 --> 1:36:09.960 until it's the skin pucker's up and all the little 1:36:10.000 --> 1:36:14.639 squares are puckered and crispy brown, and then you flipped 1:36:14.680 --> 1:36:17.880 it back, skin up and stick in your oven for 1:36:17.920 --> 1:36:22.720 six or eight minutes until it's very rare on the inside, 1:36:23.240 --> 1:36:26.559 cooked on the outside. Slice that son of a bit thin, 1:36:28.600 --> 1:36:32.120 serve it with chutney, and then let your children chew 1:36:32.240 --> 1:36:37.760 the drumstick that it's key that they're the way to 1:36:37.800 --> 1:36:43.400 eat duck. That's how you eat duck. And that's what 1:36:43.520 --> 1:36:46.280 I tell him. I'm like, that's how you eat duck. 1:36:47.160 --> 1:36:52.360 Your kids they love the bones. Why do they love 1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:54.519 the bones so much? My kids always say, I'm saying, 1:36:54.520 --> 1:36:56.360 we're what are they having tonight? Said? Helk me to 1:36:56.439 --> 1:36:58.200 the kind of the bones in it? And no, that 1:36:58.200 --> 1:37:00.160 does not help me, Like all they want on his 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:04.320 ribs these days, or little duck legs too. I guess 1:37:04.360 --> 1:37:06.200 mine right now would be the one I wish everybody 1:37:06.240 --> 1:37:09.840 knew about would be. Um, it's I'm gonna start with 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:14.080 turkey pot pie, which I use turkey drumsticks and thighs 1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:17.160 to make. But just is, see, this is seasonal. You're 1:37:17.200 --> 1:37:21.400 doing great, this is seasonal. Thank you, But just braisen 1:37:21.479 --> 1:37:24.639 down sighs and legs off of turkey. I still hear 1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:27.200 so many people talking about, oh, just pop the breast 1:37:27.280 --> 1:37:30.120 and you know, leave the rest out there. And man, 1:37:30.160 --> 1:37:33.240 you like to double your yield by taking out those 1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:36.280 you know, legs and thighs and then, uh, we've been 1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:39.320 doing now is free braising them. On the weekend, when 1:37:39.320 --> 1:37:41.439 I've got some time, I'll do just a whole crock 1:37:41.520 --> 1:37:44.360 pot full, cook them all day long, pick it all apart. 1:37:46.160 --> 1:37:48.559 My wife really likes it if I take all the 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:51.080 tendons and the little extra stuff that didn't the jello 1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:53.639 that didn't quite melt down and disappear. All that stuff 1:37:53.680 --> 1:37:55.360 needs to speak go on, and then we package it 1:37:55.400 --> 1:37:58.120 in you know, half pound back seal bags super thin 1:37:58.280 --> 1:37:59.599 that way. And anytime I want to make a turkey 1:37:59.600 --> 1:38:03.360 pot pie, or we do um like Carneta's with them 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:06.800 soft shell taco kind of deals. Um what else will 1:38:06.840 --> 1:38:10.080 make a quick like chicken noodle or not chicken turkey 1:38:10.080 --> 1:38:14.479 noodle soup? Um, just take some chicken stocks and noodles, 1:38:14.479 --> 1:38:16.800 some veggies throwing a package of that and got this 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:19.639 awesome soup that um you know you get that super 1:38:19.720 --> 1:38:23.920 great wild dark meat flavor out of it. So um. Yeah, 1:38:24.000 --> 1:38:26.200 That's what I want everybody to know about, is that 1:38:26.280 --> 1:38:29.200 meat is awesome. You just gotta cook it right. And 1:38:29.360 --> 1:38:31.360 uh then if you want to go net next levels, 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:34.439 make that turkey pop pie because that's a real crowd pleaser. 1:38:35.200 --> 1:38:41.080 Where can they find that one? Just joke? If they 1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:43.680 came up with you guess hip to this whole thing 1:38:43.680 --> 1:38:48.639 with lab grown cultured meat? Oh yeah yeah. People keep 1:38:48.640 --> 1:38:51.719 asking like, dude, if they come up with lab grown 1:38:51.760 --> 1:38:56.280 cultured meat, will you stop hunting? Look? What the hell? 1:38:56.360 --> 1:38:59.599 Like I did stop hunting? I didn't stop hunting when 1:38:59.600 --> 1:39:01.519 they came up with People didn't stop hunting when they 1:39:01.560 --> 1:39:04.760 came up with fire meat. No, why the hell would 1:39:04.760 --> 1:39:08.519 you quit for that? No? Negative, Feel free to boo 1:39:08.560 --> 1:39:14.400 everybody about that idea. It doesn't sound appetizing. No, I'm 1:39:14.439 --> 1:39:17.479 SKINNI sho of it, man, I'm skinnish to lab grown meat. 1:39:17.760 --> 1:39:20.920 And also it's like the whole thing about it is, 1:39:21.080 --> 1:39:26.720 it's what you're striving for in my mind, is like 1:39:26.800 --> 1:39:33.599 that that visceral hands on experience, you know, And that 1:39:33.760 --> 1:39:36.639 seems to me like running in the exact opposite direction. 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:39.080 I do like, I don't care about I hope other 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:41.160 people really did get to really love it, But no, man, 1:39:41.439 --> 1:39:45.600 I mean it doesn't have any bearing. Yeah. Oh, you 1:39:45.600 --> 1:39:49.559 know what's funny about that. My wife sent me an article. 1:39:50.120 --> 1:39:51.600 I'm gonna wrap We're gonna wrap it up in a 1:39:51.640 --> 1:39:53.519 second year. My wife sent me an article and it 1:39:53.680 --> 1:39:58.519 was someone some magazine has done an article about how 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:04.280 all hipsters look the same. And there's a there's a picture. 1:40:04.520 --> 1:40:08.640 They use a picture of a hipster on it and 1:40:08.680 --> 1:40:11.360 the guy writes in he says, that's me in the picture, 1:40:11.960 --> 1:40:14.519 and I'm suing you guys, And then they go and 1:40:14.560 --> 1:40:16.439 do research on the image and it turns out it's 1:40:16.479 --> 1:40:24.599 not him. All right, So we got yanna. You you're 1:40:24.600 --> 1:40:28.320 gonna do, You're gonna do the things. Man. Um, We've 1:40:28.320 --> 1:40:32.800 got some presents for birthday gaps. Then we got quick 1:40:32.880 --> 1:40:37.439 a conclud conclud. I was thinking about like factory meets, 1:40:37.560 --> 1:40:40.519 you know, like meat to cultured meats, and anybody ever 1:40:40.520 --> 1:40:43.360 had like a stake um something like that stake um. 1:40:44.040 --> 1:40:47.280 But like, I feel like there's so much stuff worse 1:40:47.320 --> 1:40:49.519 already out there that you can get him McDonald's. That's 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:54.200 that's that meat Mick ribb meet growing in the lab 1:40:54.240 --> 1:40:57.519 would be better for me than a Mick rib I 1:40:57.560 --> 1:40:59.040 just want to put that out there. They paint the 1:40:59.080 --> 1:41:02.360 grill marks out so like I don't have as much 1:41:02.360 --> 1:41:04.080 problem with that as I do. I think I feel 1:41:04.080 --> 1:41:05.519 like if you get McDonald's, you just have to eat 1:41:05.560 --> 1:41:07.680 it like in an alley, so you feel bad about what. 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:13.439 I feel strongly about that. So I think, man, if 1:41:14.640 --> 1:41:18.000 they would be on the right track if you could 1:41:18.120 --> 1:41:22.840 literally like grow you could get like a kit and 1:41:23.000 --> 1:41:28.120 grow the meat like in your garden, right, Like I 1:41:28.160 --> 1:41:34.400 feel like you grow your own meat and then you 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:38.080 at least have a sense of satisfaction of like, how's 1:41:38.160 --> 1:41:41.439 that burger? You like that? I used to be like 1:41:41.560 --> 1:41:46.240 che a pet style or on your counter growed out. 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:50.960 But if if it's just like another series of somebody 1:41:51.000 --> 1:41:56.160 buying anonymous stuff that they have no connection to. It's like, 1:41:56.200 --> 1:42:00.439 what is this step forward or step back? What are 1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:02.080 you growing in your green house? We have tea bones 1:42:03.160 --> 1:42:07.240 in le filets. Yeah, I pulled that off the burger tree. 1:42:09.200 --> 1:42:13.960 You like that? Do you are? You asked? Oh, you 1:42:13.960 --> 1:42:16.080 got a concluder that you did that constantly? Was that 1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:21.400 your guys concluders? Yeah? I feel comfortable. I have a 1:42:21.400 --> 1:42:30.439 concluding question and then we'll see because that we get 1:42:30.560 --> 1:42:32.559 versions of this, but not this one. Is there every 1:42:32.600 --> 1:42:34.920 we always get asked like what animal we'd love to hunt? 1:42:34.920 --> 1:42:37.439 What animals hunt for the rest of our days? What 1:42:37.520 --> 1:42:40.719 animal have we not hunted yet? But what's the animal 1:42:40.800 --> 1:42:43.080 that you have not eaten yet that you would like 1:42:43.160 --> 1:42:48.800 to eat? Oh, that you're curious about? Yeah, we're working 1:42:48.800 --> 1:42:52.560 on a deal where we got a badger. Uh on 1:42:52.640 --> 1:43:00.439 the ground, sasqua, sasquash. Sasquash should have like nice backstraps, Yeah, 1:43:00.840 --> 1:43:04.840 probably nice eye Round two? Next I round try sasquats. 1:43:05.240 --> 1:43:06.880 We got a badger. We're gonna do a thing where 1:43:06.920 --> 1:43:08.960 we're gonna try to eat a badgers. So I can't 1:43:08.960 --> 1:43:19.080 I'll say that promotional purposes. Uh, well, I guess all 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:23.320 of it. Um, I'm curious about it all. But I 1:43:23.400 --> 1:43:26.760 just had, uh was hanging out and ice fishing with 1:43:26.880 --> 1:43:32.280 a state trapper in Montana and uh, I had just 1:43:32.600 --> 1:43:34.920 been cooking up some Mounta Lion with a friend of 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:39.080 mine and he was like, well, yeah, what do you 1:43:39.080 --> 1:43:42.479 think about Bobcat? And so well, I've never eaten Bobcat 1:43:42.520 --> 1:43:47.400 and he's like, well, it tastes like piss. So now 1:43:48.479 --> 1:43:54.559 I really why a Bobcat could somehow it tastes different 1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:58.599 than a Mounta lion. Mountlin is delicious um and an 1:43:58.600 --> 1:44:04.000 absolute treat to have in the freezer. Um. So now 1:44:04.040 --> 1:44:07.760 I've kind of feel like I need to try some Bobcat. 1:44:07.840 --> 1:44:15.200 And dude, do the Pepsi Challenge triangle test triangle test. Yeah, Uh, 1:44:15.240 --> 1:44:17.639 for me, it would be a this is a little 1:44:17.640 --> 1:44:22.040 bit tricky because there's a fish I really like, like 1:44:22.200 --> 1:44:25.360 black codon, But it would be a I want to 1:44:25.400 --> 1:44:28.960 find out what a black cob that I caught taste like. 1:44:30.439 --> 1:44:34.240 That is tricky, which is tricky, which is very tricky. 1:44:34.240 --> 1:44:36.479 But I'm striving for that. I'm and I'm hoping to 1:44:36.560 --> 1:44:40.240 hit that this summer. That's my concluder. Now, well, you 1:44:40.320 --> 1:44:44.080 got some chores you need to do. Yeah, two things. 1:44:43.439 --> 1:44:45.720 Two things. One you canna help me out though with 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:47.200 the merch table. What do we what do we got 1:44:47.320 --> 1:44:50.720 left out there? Well? We have so we have the 1:44:51.040 --> 1:44:57.639 show only, the live show only, Steam Breathing Turkey, How 1:44:57.640 --> 1:44:59.919 to go to Deer Bandana, how to go to Janni's, 1:45:00.000 --> 1:45:03.760 how to go to Dear Bandanna Col's Smells Now Lady 1:45:03.800 --> 1:45:06.920 T shirt. I must comment that I, for the first 1:45:06.920 --> 1:45:08.680 time I saw a guy wearing one, and it is 1:45:08.720 --> 1:45:13.519 a little bit creepy because but in like the best 1:45:13.520 --> 1:45:18.439 way possible, because I think that someone might see that, 1:45:19.800 --> 1:45:23.680 and they might not. I think that that's something that 1:45:23.840 --> 1:45:27.800 someone shouted during a grizzly bear attack. It might have 1:45:27.880 --> 1:45:30.839 been something that they overheard in a dark alley somewhere, 1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:35.200 something somehow in Las Vegas late night. It's a confusing shirt. 1:45:35.320 --> 1:45:37.200 The young lady that was, the young lady that's running 1:45:37.200 --> 1:45:41.080 the merged table probably not a hunter. The look she 1:45:41.160 --> 1:45:44.400 had when she was reading the text of that shirt. 1:45:44.560 --> 1:45:50.400 I wish I could, I wish I could. Was very impressed. Yes, yeah, 1:45:50.520 --> 1:45:54.800 and she said, man, whoever would wear a shirt like 1:45:54.840 --> 1:46:01.120 this would be a sexy, beautiful human being. But hear 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:04.599 the words I heard, big Open Heart. Yes, we also 1:46:04.680 --> 1:46:11.480 have uh th HC, the Hunting Collective. I was concerning 1:46:11.479 --> 1:46:17.240 to me that we're calling it Gosh, guys, this is 1:46:17.240 --> 1:46:19.000 the podcast that I have, and it's concerning that we're 1:46:19.000 --> 1:46:21.599 starting to call it th C. But if we're gonna 1:46:21.600 --> 1:46:23.040 call it t j C, I think we should start 1:46:23.040 --> 1:46:30.040 selling gummy bears. I heard real quick. Uh. What I 1:46:30.080 --> 1:46:33.160 heard from a guy is they don't understand this, but 1:46:33.240 --> 1:46:36.280 now we're talking about packing a full stadium of dip big. 1:46:37.000 --> 1:46:39.559 He said, there's a thing they do which means just 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:42.120 so everybody's on board, which means that you take enough 1:46:42.160 --> 1:46:44.760 to fill up your whole upper gun and you're a 1:46:44.760 --> 1:46:48.559 whole lower gun because you can you can run like 1:46:48.720 --> 1:46:51.320 you can run an upper decker, which is which is 1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:53.439 or a horse shoe. You can run a horse shoe 1:46:54.000 --> 1:46:57.559 or upper decker. You can run a horse shoe lower decker. 1:46:58.040 --> 1:47:02.320 But when you run both, or shoot upper and lower decker, 1:47:02.400 --> 1:47:06.960 it becomes a full stadium. But apparently the youngsters these 1:47:07.040 --> 1:47:10.840 days are taking where they're running up the running the 1:47:10.880 --> 1:47:18.200 full stadium of gummy bears while doing tequila shots. Oh yeah, 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:20.920 And a guy was talking about having this happen, and 1:47:20.920 --> 1:47:23.280 then all of sudden had to throw up and got 1:47:24.160 --> 1:47:26.800 so bogged up in his mouth that he threw up 1:47:26.840 --> 1:47:30.840 out his nose, so it's like, and he rode into 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:34.439 the meteor website. For some reason, he wrote us about this. 1:47:35.080 --> 1:47:38.960 We're very for some very trusting. You wouldn't tell anybody 1:47:38.960 --> 1:47:42.680 about it? And do I have a problem, you know, 1:47:42.720 --> 1:47:44.479 I'd have to go revisit it. I don't think there 1:47:44.520 --> 1:47:46.720 was a problem, like I was pouring over my on 1:47:47.080 --> 1:48:11.800 X and then please don't tell anyone about this, all right, guys. 1:48:12.000 --> 1:48:17.479 Prof f