Speaker 1: This is a me either podcast coming in you shirtless, severely,
Speaker 1: folk bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You
Speaker 1: can't predict anything. What's up, guys, I's going? Why don't
Speaker 1: feel like I'm not on? Am? I on? You? Hear me? Excellent? Good?
Speaker 1: How's Portland's doing tonight? Earlier? I don't know why I'll
Speaker 1: sick of this? Earlier I was thinking about how late
Speaker 1: night talk show dudes come out and they're like, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, we have a great show for you tonight.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I don't know that. Um be like
Speaker 1: may me babe. Uh got a couple people want to
Speaker 1: say hi to out in the crowd. So Sarah, there's
Speaker 1: someone named Sarah here who like, here's a weird deal though.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, So your husband like didn't want to bring you,
Speaker 1: It was gonna bring your husband didn't want to bring you,
Speaker 1: was gonna bring some other guy. That guy's wife has
Speaker 1: a baby, and then he's like, I guess I'll bring Sarah.
Speaker 1: So it's the baby. The baby is Tommy, the dad
Speaker 1: is Brian, and they're presumably being together right now forming
Speaker 1: a bond. So that's great. It's good timing on their
Speaker 1: part for having a baby right, not in Hunting season?
Speaker 1: What is it? Oh you're timing? Not not in Hunts season? Baby,
Speaker 1: well done. There's a there's a dude out here, Ryan Kristen,
Speaker 1: who supposed he looks exactly like me? Where is he?
Speaker 1: Is it that true? Look at him? Do you look
Speaker 1: like me? All right? Are good? Buddy? Matt Elliott from
Speaker 1: Bench Made is here. He's a bass angler extraordinaire, So
Speaker 1: hi to him. And then, uh, guy, I know a
Speaker 1: bit Joe Feria, are you here all right? Okay? Um,
Speaker 1: a couple of things, got a couple things we gotta
Speaker 1: cover real quick. Did you guys listen to a recent
Speaker 1: episode where there's a dude that well, I want to
Speaker 1: do introductions because you'll see why. Go ahead, cal Well,
Speaker 1: that's not your If you're gonna do introductions, you introduce people.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna allow for introductions. Are we going to introduce
Speaker 1: each other? Are you? My name is Ryan Callahan, Thank
Speaker 1: you very much for coming on feeling. My name is
Speaker 1: Ben O'Brien. What my name is Janice patelis? Thank you
Speaker 1: about Jana. We had an episode recently where I want
Speaker 1: to find us to get it right. We had an
Speaker 1: episode Obnoxious Stimuli, and in it we're talking about a
Speaker 1: guy that wrote in. He was saying, how Yannas doesn't
Speaker 1: get any credit, And he wrote this poem about Janice
Speaker 1: that had the very awkward line in action how like
Speaker 1: an Angel and apprehension, how like a God, which I
Speaker 1: thought was the worst line in the world. Um, we
Speaker 1: got your back? Are you sitting on that day? It
Speaker 1: was a back on now just your first time, Steve.
Speaker 1: So it's called building suspense. So I thought it the
Speaker 1: worst line ever. And a and a listener wrote in
Speaker 1: to say that the man that wrote that poem plagiarized
Speaker 1: portions of it from Shakespeare. It's from Hamlet, and that
Speaker 1: says something about him, like, if you're gonna plagiarize, like generally,
Speaker 1: you don't do it from the world's most famous writer ever,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna get caught. And it's gonna say something
Speaker 1: about me that I sat through Shakespeare seminars in high school,
Speaker 1: college and graduate school, but did not pick up that
Speaker 1: that was from Shakespeare's finest work. But I do. When
Speaker 1: I retire from my current job, I want to write
Speaker 1: a book called In Defense of Not Loving the Bard,
Speaker 1: and it'll be like like a book length essay about
Speaker 1: how it's okay to just like Shakespeare. Um. He goes
Speaker 1: on to give a high coup. He writes a high
Speaker 1: coup for Janice, which is a solid high coup. It's
Speaker 1: this lavine, eagle keen of I and swift of kill
Speaker 1: power ring onward. That's a that's a high coup. Also
Speaker 1: another quick correction from noxious Stimuli. There's a guy who
Speaker 1: wrote in he describes himself as noxious stimuloss because he
Speaker 1: was a person who wrote a piece of hate mail
Speaker 1: that there was talking about how I suffered from narcissism
Speaker 1: and a d h D. And then our underwear is
Speaker 1: very expensive, which that part I can tell you he
Speaker 1: was not true, because mine wars nine bucks. But he
Speaker 1: was adding into So we we have a thing where
Speaker 1: we've crowd sourced things that we know make Turkey's gobble,
Speaker 1: and we have a new shirt coming out which is
Speaker 1: all the best things that make Turkey's gobble, from sonic
Speaker 1: booms to what else is down there, rumble strips, carridors
Speaker 1: card I don't know if that made the shirt. Car
Speaker 1: Horns probably made the shirt. Thundering throwing rocks and stalking rocks,
Speaker 1: that stop signs kicking roussy, old hunks and metal dry dude.
Speaker 1: So the dude rode in and he this is an
Speaker 1: interesting story where he and his wife refurbished an old
Speaker 1: cuckoo clock. You can see where this is going. And
Speaker 1: he's got horses and turkeys come in in the winter
Speaker 1: to feed on the horse feed and then to pick
Speaker 1: grain out of the horse ship. And one day he
Speaker 1: his new cuckoo clock gets done and he opens the door.
Speaker 1: The cuckoo clock goes off and four gobblers all hit it. Yep,
Speaker 1: so it was too late to make the shirt um
Speaker 1: on that. I heard another one that's knew that was.
Speaker 1: I think it was d M to me, I like
Speaker 1: using DM. I feel like I'm I'm young. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it does. I thought it was like I've always
Speaker 1: only creepy. She said, slide in on d MS. I
Speaker 1: thought that's where he goods. I have been getting that myself.
Speaker 1: I'm sliding in on your d M. Don't that's the
Speaker 1: I'm creeping in on your d M'm just sneaking right. No,
Speaker 1: you direct messages, that's what we're talking about. You're getting
Speaker 1: down low. These are totally different. Got lost because I
Speaker 1: left my chord. So I'm really distracted by might not
Speaker 1: have my chord with me that I plug this thing
Speaker 1: in with. So I missed you're saying, you'd like to
Speaker 1: say d MS. It makes you feel young. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know what those are, d MS Direct messages. There
Speaker 1: you go, I say, uh, I say a dude wrote in,
Speaker 1: or ten percent of the time I get to say
Speaker 1: a woman wrote in. Anyhoo, this fellow was saying that
Speaker 1: he was having a slow morning in turkey hunting and
Speaker 1: decided to pack himself a big chaw. So he brought
Speaker 1: out his tin and and got a gob. Yeah that's good. Uh.
Speaker 1: On the subject of turkeys, I heard a quote I
Speaker 1: thought you'd like, ye honest, and it was that when
Speaker 1: a deer sees a man, it thinks it's a stump.
Speaker 1: When a turkey sees a stump, that thinks it's a man.
Speaker 1: Like that. Yeah, it's good. I feel like a turkey's
Speaker 1: like a puffed up room. But that's just going around.
Speaker 1: They don't know what they're doing. Man, they're idiots. They're idiots.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna defend turkeys right now. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about does anybody in here make their living or
Speaker 1: any of you, the people that all make their living
Speaker 1: catching Northern Pike meddals, do you know about this? That
Speaker 1: guy does? No, seriously, has anyone in here redeemed? Has
Speaker 1: anyone in here collected a bounty? You guys have collected
Speaker 1: your bounties on Northern Pike middals at least three four,
Speaker 1: five six. This is a fascinating business you guys got
Speaker 1: going on in the state. Who's gonna break this down for?
Speaker 1: I know everybody in here is a bounty hunter, but um,
Speaker 1: somebody needs to break this down. Who wants to start?
Speaker 1: Get him? Cal? It's an odd thing, is what I
Speaker 1: would start with. When you have a native fish species
Speaker 1: that has a bounty on its head? Um, what did
Speaker 1: real quick? He's good? Well, there's always one guy. What
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into this? And then we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into this. There's a whole lot that needs to be
Speaker 1: covered here. But basically, you girl up not Yeah, you
Speaker 1: grew up. So you grew up knowing the fish as
Speaker 1: a squaw fish, Yes, correct, Northern pike mental squaw fish
Speaker 1: has other names. Squawker, Yeah, I thought you need another one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the the Columbia River. Dacey it's a minto.
Speaker 1: It's in the mental family. I now set the set
Speaker 1: the you know table, set the table. I know everybody's
Speaker 1: hip to this. Most folks are hip to this in
Speaker 1: this room. But um, basically have uh this pike Minnow
Speaker 1: it's a predator, like very aggressive eater. And they collecting
Speaker 1: large groups uh behind the dams, and then they will
Speaker 1: put a serious hurt on the steel head and salmon
Speaker 1: smolt as they stack up behind the dams in large
Speaker 1: holes too. But um, yeah, so the Bonneville, right, Bonneville, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they the power company. I want because we're telling you, guys,
Speaker 1: we're trying to put if you didn't detect, we're trying
Speaker 1: to throw a local spin on this whole thing. Mi,
Speaker 1: Mike just cut out again. Yeah no, we got you
Speaker 1: again now though, trying to throw a local spin on this.
Speaker 1: We gotta remember all those brothers in Ohio and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I don't know about this to go on until um
Speaker 1: there is a incentive two catch and kill the northern
Speaker 1: pikeman uh uh in an attempt to protect steel head
Speaker 1: and salmon. Then they put a bony on them. Yep,
Speaker 1: so I think it's two bucks of fish. Eight it's
Speaker 1: eight what right dollar amount? Though you catch one to
Speaker 1: five you get this month that's a six pack of
Speaker 1: fancy beer per fish. So this year, so the bounty program,
Speaker 1: the bounty the annual bounty program opens May one, runs
Speaker 1: through May. Then you have until November to turn in
Speaker 1: your vouchers, which you get upon catching the fish for payment.
Speaker 1: And this year more than one dozen anglers earned over
Speaker 1: twenty grand fishing and the Snake and Columbia River. The
Speaker 1: program like throwing a lot of hate. You guys are
Speaker 1: throwing a lot of hate. Had a little fish And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into this because there's there's more to it.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not disparaged of the program. I was
Speaker 1: given prompt to those guys that went out or gals
Speaker 1: that went out there and did it. Got it done? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because what we were unable to find out today, who's
Speaker 1: the most reputable person out in the crowd? These two
Speaker 1: guys right here? He's you guys to say you collected
Speaker 1: a bounty. Okay, do you have some exposure to contemporary
Speaker 1: pike middle fishing? Can you and like in a sentence,
Speaker 1: explain how what is the tactic? What is the approach?
Speaker 1: The most effective approach uh for catching them. Yeah, chicken
Speaker 1: liver or chicken liver and worms. So you're just classic
Speaker 1: bait fishing bomber, no bomber on the bottom. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you just it's like you're out fishing sun eas or
Speaker 1: blue gills or whatever. But it's pikee meddles every time
Speaker 1: of the year during wherever the Yeah, they congregate right,
Speaker 1: getting big big they pawed up. Yeah. Okay, so hold
Speaker 1: on real quick, I just want to make sure that
Speaker 1: the expert in the fifth row back here concurs you guys.
Speaker 1: Everybody's starting. Everybody's cool with the idea that people use
Speaker 1: liver and worms in basic bomber on the bottom, A
Speaker 1: couple of split shot kind of standard rick. Okay, good, Now,
Speaker 1: there's there's some weird parts of this that will get
Speaker 1: to So the program pays anglers five to eight bucks
Speaker 1: for pike meddals over nine inches long. As of October seventeenth,
Speaker 1: the top angler had made seventy one thousand, forty nine
Speaker 1: dollars this year. The next three spots so no, so
Speaker 1: he's number one, numbers two or three and four. These
Speaker 1: guys in that period made over fifty thousand bucks fishing
Speaker 1: Pike Meddals. Uh, there are a bunch in the top twenty.
Speaker 1: There are a bunch of guys who made anywhere from
Speaker 1: sixteen to thirty six. Last year, the top angler in
Speaker 1: the Northern Pike Middals Sport Reward Fishery pulled eighty four
Speaker 1: grand for five months work, down down from last the
Speaker 1: previous year in two thousand sixteen, a mug fished up
Speaker 1: one nineteen thousand and three hundred forty or the Pike
Speaker 1: Meddals five months of work. But here's where this gets weird.
Speaker 1: Is they to to get people even more fired up,
Speaker 1: they released one thousand tagged fish, which if you catch
Speaker 1: those you get five bucks. But that's like a funny
Speaker 1: deal because you're saying like you're saying, like to your kids,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I want you kids to kill all
Speaker 1: the rats, and I'm gonna put a bunch more rats
Speaker 1: like and they're all gonna be in there, and if
Speaker 1: you catch those rats, and then I'm gonna pay you
Speaker 1: eight bucks forever your rat you catch. And I just
Speaker 1: let a lot more in there. But I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: that means that they are that the ones that are
Speaker 1: cutting loose. I'm having to think are sterilized. Maybe no, no,
Speaker 1: I will tell you, uh squat or uh pike minto
Speaker 1: ceviche is very good, especially those tagged ones. They're extra deletos.
Speaker 1: They yeah, because if you catch a tag when you
Speaker 1: get five hundred bucks, you buy shipload of lemons, shipload
Speaker 1: of beer, shipload of lemons, go east and sushi. They
Speaker 1: caught like five million of these things since they started
Speaker 1: the program. We were reading since five million. Oh so
Speaker 1: the thousand is nothing like getting of the program. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you. I could see it um real quick.
Speaker 1: On chasing hold on, I'm not going you have more.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to go to chasing you. I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about it that there's I know a lot
Speaker 1: of five fishing guys, myself being one of them, that like,
Speaker 1: you're not making anywhere near that kind of money, busting
Speaker 1: your butt all summer long, rowing people down river. People
Speaker 1: that are you know, the people that really have fish
Speaker 1: on the brain. You can speak to this. They might
Speaker 1: consider coming out here and making money for four or
Speaker 1: five months. Yeah, man, you get a system down and
Speaker 1: be good. But I tell you, I mean they are
Speaker 1: a fun fish on the flyer rod like they especially
Speaker 1: in the spring when they're spawning, like they destroy flies.
Speaker 1: Super fun there, dude, the caliber of dudes were talking
Speaker 1: about here, Oh this is different deal. They're not at
Speaker 1: it for fun. Well that it might be enjoyable. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, these are like top shelf anglers. A lot
Speaker 1: of days before I get the chaf and I want
Speaker 1: to hit a point I forgot because this is like
Speaker 1: I was hitting up Matt Elliott about this. Matt Elliot,
Speaker 1: who I mentioned earlier. Um, he's got a real act.
Speaker 1: He I don't say he's got astagrind. He brings up
Speaker 1: interesting point because Matt he likes to be in bass
Speaker 1: fishing contests, bass tournaments. Um so they he He's expressing
Speaker 1: his concern that people are taking the same level that
Speaker 1: they want to persecute smallmouth bass the same way they're
Speaker 1: persecuting the pike mento. He takes offense to the idea
Speaker 1: because a thing that they find with the pike middles,
Speaker 1: you know how they don't pay till the fish hits
Speaker 1: nine inches. A thing you run into there is that
Speaker 1: the once the pikemanto hits a certain size, he's more
Speaker 1: likely to have like he's more likely to become pasciferous,
Speaker 1: which means the fish is more likely to become a
Speaker 1: fish eater. So when he hits a certain size size threshold,
Speaker 1: his diet might switch defeating on salm like salmond and fry.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes when you're trying to like destroy a fit or
Speaker 1: like to remove nonnatives through mechanical means. If I got
Speaker 1: to interrupt man because the expert in the row five man,
Speaker 1: he is like the e in row five I have
Speaker 1: has raised his hand times. But we're like, we're messing up.
Speaker 1: We must be messing up the pike mittle thing really
Speaker 1: bad because fixing to have a connect. I would love
Speaker 1: to hear what it is because I just can't picture
Speaker 1: that what I'm saying is not correct. Go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 1: just clarify it quick, quick and dirty please on the
Speaker 1: lamp right heel also not so much the sad much
Speaker 1: small the lamb right heel also so much the bottom
Speaker 1: walker word break harness for walleye stay and washing. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he's pointing out he's pointing out about gentlemen in
Speaker 1: the audience, is pointing out that they like to feed
Speaker 1: on lamp raids. Cool. Yeah, Matt Elliott was telling me
Speaker 1: washing have released the limits on the small mouth bass,
Speaker 1: the walleye, and the catfish. There's no limits. Get that.
Speaker 1: Trying to lay out, trying to lay out I'm trying
Speaker 1: to lay out a little exeology here. Now I do
Speaker 1: want to add that part of the reason for that
Speaker 1: nine inch rule is they are likely preyed upon below
Speaker 1: nine inches by other species too. Great, great, thank you
Speaker 1: stay with me if you will for a moment. Where
Speaker 1: are you saying something? Yes, Now, you guys are familiar
Speaker 1: with the infestation in the Mississippi and Ohio river rivers
Speaker 1: of the silver carp big head carp. So they come
Speaker 1: in there and they come in and they open up
Speaker 1: a commercial fishery just try to remove the fish, and
Speaker 1: they set a certain mesh size so you can you
Speaker 1: can run the large square mesh and you'll pull out
Speaker 1: the largest of the carp. The thing do you find
Speaker 1: when you're doing mechanical removal, so not poisoning, but doing
Speaker 1: mechanical removal of fish that you're trying to get rid of,
Speaker 1: is you don't you wind up not affecting the biomass,
Speaker 1: but you affect the makeup of the population. So someone
Speaker 1: might look and say a certain system is going to
Speaker 1: support x pounds of some species of fish. As you
Speaker 1: remove all those larger pike mentos, you wind up with
Speaker 1: the same poundage of pike mentos living in the system.
Speaker 1: You're just affecting sort of the demographics of the population.
Speaker 1: Matt Elliott's grief with the persecution of small mouth is
Speaker 1: that he was telling me how as a small mouth
Speaker 1: gets bigger, his diet actually switches to crayfish. But by
Speaker 1: removing the largest small mouth, you are selecting four or
Speaker 1: small mouth that are more likely to be eating cell
Speaker 1: Monnet's dragon. That's all I'm trying to get across. Man.
Speaker 1: If the gentleman for row five months to come up
Speaker 1: and explain the rest of it, that's fine, But I'm
Speaker 1: still trying to get to this chasing. Are we good
Speaker 1: on this? Yeah? I'm cool chafing, chafing. Uh, this this
Speaker 1: is last I canna say about chafing. But we covered
Speaker 1: a lot of tears from a guy who took bologney.
Speaker 1: We talked about this guy slice of blowney and put
Speaker 1: it in his gluteal crease in order to in order
Speaker 1: to he got chased so bad his buttocks that he
Speaker 1: couldn't move and took a sandwich apart, stuck a bologney slice.
Speaker 1: For those that are are just listening, Steve is rubbing
Speaker 1: his hands together as to as to mimic the gluteal crease,
Speaker 1: to mimic the actions of your your your buttocks rubbing.
Speaker 1: And he put a slice of blowney in there and
Speaker 1: walked out, walked back to his truck. This guy writes,
Speaker 1: and he's a chef and ship they use corn start.
Speaker 1: They use corn starch, of course in the commercial kitchen,
Speaker 1: but he also keeps a box of corn starch in
Speaker 1: the bathroom. He's apparently he's a healthy sized fella. And
Speaker 1: while he's cooking, he cooks, so he cooks with such
Speaker 1: gusto that he gets chafed while cooking. And when it happens,
Speaker 1: he will go in and uses corn starch, which he says.
Speaker 1: He's a great here, and he uses corn starts to
Speaker 1: treat his nether regions and alleviate is chafing. And he
Speaker 1: they tell he tells a humorous story about a new
Speaker 1: feller coming into work and he goes to thicken the
Speaker 1: sauce and knows that he's sickening with corn starch and
Speaker 1: goes into the bathroom and he can't find the corn starch,
Speaker 1: and you can see where that whole thing goes in there.
Speaker 1: But he says that, um, he says in closing, he's
Speaker 1: a good writer. He's like in closing, don't be afraid
Speaker 1: to bring a little storm corn starch with you in
Speaker 1: the field. It's old or less easy to carry. And
Speaker 1: in the pinch you can make a quick temper a batter,
Speaker 1: which is something we've never done. Okay, we gotta talk
Speaker 1: about another thing. What we talked about before. This is like,
Speaker 1: this is the part where we just talked about stuff
Speaker 1: we already talked about, but we add a little tit bit,
Speaker 1: a little corn starch. A little corn starch takes away
Speaker 1: the more Yanni, can you can you can you lay
Speaker 1: the groundwork on the I want to talk about the
Speaker 1: Florida panther thing because I feel like we we talked
Speaker 1: about Florida panthers. I feel like we we we we
Speaker 1: we created confusion that well, we just misrepresented the glades.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but like the first bit, they had a
Speaker 1: study in Florida, And when we had a correction, a
Speaker 1: guy that worked on the study rode in and clarified
Speaker 1: all this for us. The problem is when we get
Speaker 1: the stuff, it's just so hard to go and then
Speaker 1: research the next like five levels that you need to.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't have all these people on hand
Speaker 1: that are just you know, waiting to write an email
Speaker 1: before they even know we're gonna talk about it after
Speaker 1: we talk about um so, Yeah, we used it for
Speaker 1: one of our We did a game called two Lies
Speaker 1: and a Truth where we were telling stories on stage
Speaker 1: and people had to choose which one was the truth
Speaker 1: and the truth that night was um that there was
Speaker 1: a study in Florida where they had collared turn sixty
Speaker 1: three deer roughly something like that. It was in South
Speaker 1: Florida and they were just gonna check on like what
Speaker 1: was affecting the population there from habitats, predators, um what
Speaker 1: else were they looking for? Yeah, we can various things,
Speaker 1: but one of the main things was mortality. So you
Speaker 1: you get a death signal, yeah on your collar, like
Speaker 1: it doesn't move for typically I think it's forty eight
Speaker 1: hours or some of the time enable doesn't move. Then
Speaker 1: you rush out to try to ascertain what we're down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I figure out who've done it? And um so, at
Speaker 1: a two hundred sixty three, how many were killed. Now,
Speaker 1: like most of them right over four years ended up
Speaker 1: being like two or forty were killed or something like that. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean not in a bunch of the numbers now,
Speaker 1: but mostly the highest the best predator was uh the
Speaker 1: panther cougar, the Florida panther. I think they killed a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty something like that. Yeah, bobcats got like five.
Speaker 1: Um who else is got one? Humans only got one?
Speaker 1: And they were even told that they could shoot these
Speaker 1: collared bucks and even like the website page that I
Speaker 1: was reading even had a picture of a nice buck
Speaker 1: with a color ono and they're like, please shoot these
Speaker 1: guys if you see them, because it needs to be
Speaker 1: part of the data set. Yeah, well they're they're they're
Speaker 1: trying to say to people, was like, ignore the collar.
Speaker 1: So if if you wouldn't shoot it but it has
Speaker 1: a collar, don't If you would shoot it but it
Speaker 1: has a collar, do So I'm just saying, like, forget
Speaker 1: the collars exactly, which is tricky because I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to shoot a deal with the collar because it would
Speaker 1: seem not mysterious to me. It would be like someone
Speaker 1: else was. It was like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you see what I was gonna say inappropriate fair nine
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, it would be like if you were
Speaker 1: too and then found out someone else had UM. But
Speaker 1: we talked about this and someone also just a signed off.
Speaker 1: But someone brought up like, I'm not doing anything to
Speaker 1: that thing anyway. A Florida man in Oh no, but
Speaker 1: real quick, yeah, Florida man, Florida man, but real quick?
Speaker 1: Why is it cool? Like I wouldn't want to, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to shoot some of the with a collar,
Speaker 1: But why is it cool to shoot a duck with
Speaker 1: a band. It's just different. People get all excited to
Speaker 1: make necklaces out of it. You don't see it, dude
Speaker 1: with the necklace of a giant radio collar like like
Speaker 1: a run DMC necklace with a Jesus guy, I'm switching
Speaker 1: to handheld man. Why did my mic go mad? Oh?
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're gonna yeah. So what happened is you
Speaker 1: didn't gather that we're gonna take a meandering your process.
Speaker 1: We only got another two hours, so well we didn't
Speaker 1: know was that in the study area there was I
Speaker 1: think three different regions and units and one of them
Speaker 1: UM had no hunting at all. One of him was
Speaker 1: like a walking only area, and then one I think
Speaker 1: you could access through a TV. So, um, that took
Speaker 1: a lot of hunters out of the equation. Then it
Speaker 1: was a bunch of the area was buck only, and
Speaker 1: like two thirds of the two or sixty three deer
Speaker 1: were females, were those that were collars. So all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you bring the number of like possible deer
Speaker 1: to shoot way down. So really there's a fraction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just said, so three deer. It was a fraction.
Speaker 1: You know, there were available four hunters to actually shoot.
Speaker 1: So and I called them the lowly Florida hunter because
Speaker 1: we're just thinking, man, how did like the panther just
Speaker 1: out hunt you that bad? But and then and then
Speaker 1: the writer was like kind of prefaced the whole the
Speaker 1: guy that rolled in preface the little thing being like
Speaker 1: kind of sticking up for his tribe. Yes, it's like,
Speaker 1: it's not Florida Florida hunters or cold blooded killers. Don't
Speaker 1: you make no mistakes. Given the opportunity, they would have
Speaker 1: got it done. That's right. What I when he finished
Speaker 1: with that thought was really interesting is how he said that, um,
Speaker 1: that zone which none of us I think from where
Speaker 1: we live consider like that you'd have sort of contentious
Speaker 1: wildlife issues in Florida, right, Like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just have an idea of Florida that's not that. But
Speaker 1: he just said, like, imagine if l A was in
Speaker 1: the middle of Idaho. He's like, there, it's Naples, and
Speaker 1: then it looks like a big city of Miami on
Speaker 1: on the other coast, right, and then you just got
Speaker 1: this crazy wildlife corridor in the middle. And so when
Speaker 1: you have like a management meeting in the public's invited,
Speaker 1: you just imagine. Man, it's like every single character of
Speaker 1: the United States is you know, different kinds of minds
Speaker 1: that are shown up there to give their opinion. It's
Speaker 1: pretty wild. Yeah, it's a country. Yeah, it's a fighting
Speaker 1: state when it comes wild. Because they had the they
Speaker 1: had their they won their bear season back and then
Speaker 1: lost their bear season. People fight over creators in Florida.
Speaker 1: But what are our paths of the Booma? Guys saying though,
Speaker 1: like to out hunt a cat, you better be doing
Speaker 1: some serious hunting. I mean, that's a deer every four days, right,
Speaker 1: about a deer every week, and you've got two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty you have about two lions in Florida. It's
Speaker 1: a small population, but people too, just the way people work, Uh,
Speaker 1: a lot of people I think over ascribe, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like people don't want to have
Speaker 1: any competition. So I think that some people here, some
Speaker 1: people know that there's mountain lions out there, and they'll
Speaker 1: blame they're not like, damn cars kill all the deer,
Speaker 1: which kill a help a lot more deer in Florida,
Speaker 1: the mountain lions, but you kind of like pick the
Speaker 1: thing that seems most like you. So hey, So that
Speaker 1: I think that that people have a feeling that they
Speaker 1: do more damage than perhaps they do. But then this
Speaker 1: study really kind of throws that off because this study
Speaker 1: they are just steadily whittling away at these things. Someone
Speaker 1: brought up this idea and they wrote in about another
Speaker 1: piece of work that got done where there was some
Speaker 1: I don't know the details on it. I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: hear about it, but someone in some biologists I believe
Speaker 1: working in Africa, we're looking at when you do a
Speaker 1: coloring study that you're kind of throwing it off because
Speaker 1: they argue this person was writing and argues that an
Speaker 1: animal that's wearing a collar is actually more likely to
Speaker 1: be killed by predators, more likely than his herd mates
Speaker 1: to be killed by predators. Janice has it he has
Speaker 1: a feeling why this is Yeah, I interpret it as
Speaker 1: I think he's he put this in the email, is
Speaker 1: that the one of the best defenses that hurt animals
Speaker 1: have is that when they are attacked, they're allowed to
Speaker 1: move as a mass and sort of distract predators coming
Speaker 1: in there, and the prayertor can't. It's harder for the
Speaker 1: prayer to isolate one single animal because they all kind
Speaker 1: of looked the same, they're moving the same. But when
Speaker 1: in his study that he was referencing, I think that
Speaker 1: they had painted the horns pink or red, and he
Speaker 1: was saying that he thought that because they were losing
Speaker 1: animals very quickly in their study, and he just felt
Speaker 1: like the feeders were able to get in there and go, oh,
Speaker 1: if I just keep chasing that one with the pink horns,
Speaker 1: eventually that one's gonna get tired. It's easy for me
Speaker 1: to stay on track. So you're saying, if you were
Speaker 1: like a smart wild beach, you might go and like
Speaker 1: put a sticker on your bro and run beside him
Speaker 1: during when the lions come around, put a little glitter
Speaker 1: on them or something like that. Find them out. My interpretation,
Speaker 1: not my interpretation, but I think an idea that I
Speaker 1: would like to add on that I can't tell you
Speaker 1: is right or wrong, but it feels right to me,
Speaker 1: would be that they might also see it and register
Speaker 1: it as not just that they can keep a track
Speaker 1: of a mad the confusion, register it as different. Perhaps
Speaker 1: wounded pointing out, yeah, pointing out that this guy took
Speaker 1: offense to the idea that when you put a collar
Speaker 1: on them, you make them more likely to get killed,
Speaker 1: even though he wasn't really able to only back it
Speaker 1: up a poaching thing on on top of real quick.
Speaker 1: This guy had the most genius idea of any poet
Speaker 1: I ever heard. He poaches a buck out of season
Speaker 1: or gets an extra buck, and then decides to freeze
Speaker 1: the whole damn thing to check it in next season. Yeah, buddy,
Speaker 1: but gets caught. Did he say how he got caught?
Speaker 1: Does it? I can't. I can't find out how he
Speaker 1: got caught. It was a twenty yes, freezer burn. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like this is like a real like
Speaker 1: a Michigan style it's a twenty point buck freezer are
Speaker 1: we talking about? I don't know. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: t curl it up. Yeah, they just let bedded down
Speaker 1: in this freezer for a year. How come no one's
Speaker 1: asking me how old he is? How old the buckets? No,
Speaker 1: the man is fifty six. You guys just asked me parts.
Speaker 1: I don't know. No one's saying no. One's like, uh,
Speaker 1: what was his last name? Still? What county they live in?
Speaker 1: Dob You don't know? The caliber freezes the thing? How
Speaker 1: many points? Wasn't? Well? Yeah, but you gotta understand in
Speaker 1: the Midwest, this is Indiana. When when when we're a
Speaker 1: little kid, if if a TV host named Fred Trost
Speaker 1: could hang his wedding ring on a point that was
Speaker 1: a point, That's why in Michigan you'd be like, do
Speaker 1: you hear Billy shot a thirteen pointer and you see
Speaker 1: the buckets like you know, like your hand right the
Speaker 1: size of that. But it would be like any little
Speaker 1: protuberance is it is a count? So they're calling it,
Speaker 1: but but it does. It's a it's a two white tail.
Speaker 1: So here here's the funny thing where ties into something
Speaker 1: you've been talking about lately he's been talking about ways
Speaker 1: in which you get in trouble for killing stuff. So
Speaker 1: this guy gets a hundred hours of community service five
Speaker 1: forty day is a probation and a seven dty one
Speaker 1: dollars and finding court costs, and then he has a
Speaker 1: paltry replacement fee of five hundred bucks, which is where
Speaker 1: the state puts a value. This is just the portion
Speaker 1: where the state says that dear is worth five bucks
Speaker 1: to the people of the state. Like what we have
Speaker 1: you know what we have invested in the animal. It's
Speaker 1: values five hundred bucks or five bucks one state over
Speaker 1: in Ohio, So that buck must have been orphaned. Like, no,
Speaker 1: there's no game management manager watching over him. Nothing. He
Speaker 1: was just kicked to the curve. They didn't have any
Speaker 1: money in doing one year old. No, it's it's he's
Speaker 1: saying something totally different. He was saying, like, why is
Speaker 1: it valued so low? Because in Ohio the replacement fee
Speaker 1: on the buck would be honest, knows what it is.
Speaker 1: He did the map, that's Ohio's replacement fee. Indiana's replacement
Speaker 1: FeAs five hundred bucks. Indiana has got a lot going on.
Speaker 1: They're busy, they got a lot they're turning out so
Speaker 1: many tucks. They drove the value down. Another guy froze
Speaker 1: the two. That's five hundred bucks for fun. It will
Speaker 1: be fine. Do you do you remember talking about I
Speaker 1: was really surprised and pleased about a particular snake that
Speaker 1: I heard had a a barbed pecker. Remember this, this
Speaker 1: is one of the two of them. Well, no, he
Speaker 1: was a double peckers. There was a snake and a snake.
Speaker 1: Guy was explaining that virtually all snakes have two packers.
Speaker 1: Someone what was explaining to me something interesting about ducks
Speaker 1: Where he's saying, most ducks only have a cloaca, which
Speaker 1: is like a uni hole. Right, like all commings and
Speaker 1: goings happened in and out of these male female holes
Speaker 1: that you line up. Three percent of birds have penises.
Speaker 1: Ducks have penises. Some of them are corkscrewed and maybe barbed.
Speaker 1: And the ducks can be longer than the duck itself
Speaker 1: eight to seventeen inches. Now I'm not gonna like add
Speaker 1: a lot to this. There was a dirty limerick. There
Speaker 1: was a dirty limerick I knew as a child that
Speaker 1: had to do with They had to do with an anatomy.
Speaker 1: Part that was threaded and it was and someone had
Speaker 1: to search high and low to find a compatible partner
Speaker 1: that they found them that they thought compatible. What I
Speaker 1: want being a left handed thread in the way of
Speaker 1: dirty it was just an old dirty limit. Again for
Speaker 1: the listeners, who are you who can't see us? Steve
Speaker 1: is making a corkscrew motion with his finger motion, and
Speaker 1: sexual explained this fact of duck anatomy um jumping in
Speaker 1: something I wanted to talk about freezing crab? What uh
Speaker 1: you have experienced the blue crabs? John? Can you can
Speaker 1: you walk through crab freezing for a fellow the road in? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I can, but through my father in law, be cause
Speaker 1: I personally haven't frozen the crabs myself, but I know
Speaker 1: how he didn't because I hooked him up with a
Speaker 1: new western uh back stealer. And so he the At first,
Speaker 1: the crabs are punching through the bags. They have point
Speaker 1: little edges all over him. So he likes to clean
Speaker 1: him first. He likes to clean out the lungs and
Speaker 1: the guts and sprays them all out. So nice, pretty
Speaker 1: clean crabs. But it still looks like a crab. But
Speaker 1: he hasn't totally no, no, no, yeah, And so he
Speaker 1: just he started putting parchment paper I believe in there
Speaker 1: on on the top and bottom that gave it just
Speaker 1: enough would flatten out the spiny parts and the bumps
Speaker 1: to not break the seal. Sorry paper plates. Um, So
Speaker 1: we ate them over the holiday. So they were frozen,
Speaker 1: you know, mid summer probably, and then we ate them
Speaker 1: over Christmas and they were fine. They tasted just like
Speaker 1: does he you guys, don't you guys don't boil them first? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: they were not not not pretty boiled. I wonder why,
Speaker 1: because like my trainings and crab have always been, when
Speaker 1: you're gonna to freeze crab, you always boil it like
Speaker 1: dungeoness ten minutes very salty water, then freeze only freeze
Speaker 1: the knuckles and then or we pick it in bag
Speaker 1: bag it. But then someone recently turned me on too
Speaker 1: picking it. And this is like like sportsmen sports women,
Speaker 1: everyone's always trying to do stuff in milk, soaking flames
Speaker 1: and milk this and that milk. But picked their dungeoness
Speaker 1: crab meat, put it in a jar in milk and
Speaker 1: freeze it. And I did, and I let the thing
Speaker 1: sit there for a calendar year on the why I
Speaker 1: threw in the word calendar. Yeah, like not just any year, brother,
Speaker 1: this is a calendar here. Um frozen for a whole
Speaker 1: year and it was good. It wasn't like brand new crab,
Speaker 1: but it was good frozen that way. Buttermilk five's got
Speaker 1: his hand up again, like half and half you're gonna
Speaker 1: pop your shoulder blade. Owt man this, calm calm down.
Speaker 1: I feel bad. I gotta make an a mission here.
Speaker 1: I'm from Maryland, the blue crab state, and I never
Speaker 1: frozen crab in my life. You say crab training. My
Speaker 1: crab training was to pick them and eat him and
Speaker 1: get drunk, because the only training I ever had. And
Speaker 1: if somebody says no needing to get a freezeful, to
Speaker 1: get a freezer involved in that situation. But we have
Speaker 1: a service to to to reply to the I can't
Speaker 1: tell the man. You can tell him that he wants
Speaker 1: he wants to freeze them. Your grandfather, and you want
Speaker 1: to spoil your grandchildren that love to eat crabs and
Speaker 1: they only come a couple of times a year, you
Speaker 1: will they're not old enough to drink beer. Yes, I
Speaker 1: like how there was zero division on the pick crab
Speaker 1: drink beer, not everybody's like, wait a minute, drink beer.
Speaker 1: You're going to pick up the crabs at the place
Speaker 1: to drink beer on the way back, and while you're
Speaker 1: picking them, it's all the same methodology. So you're saying
Speaker 1: it's cool, you're saying it's like, really bad if you're
Speaker 1: from Maryland to do this, we freeze them. I got
Speaker 1: no problem freezing them. I think it might have to
Speaker 1: be with how successful of a trapper you are. That's true,
Speaker 1: because if you go only get like onesies, twosies, if
Speaker 1: you're like stacking them up. Another freeze question and yeah,
Speaker 1: just feels like we've answered the bunch, but it comes up.
Speaker 1: Maybe this will be the last time. But but can
Speaker 1: you freeze thaw and then freeze meat? Yes you can,
Speaker 1: but you can't free starf free starf freeze freeze thought.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Yeah, I think you can go to town
Speaker 1: with with that whole business and you're not gonna I
Speaker 1: bet we could pepsi challenge the whole room. Nobody would
Speaker 1: tell us if how many times can can you what
Speaker 1: you just say? I said, we could pepsi challenge. That's interesting,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Someone I forgot about this, well, I know
Speaker 1: but someone was like a pet. Like he was saying,
Speaker 1: when you're trying to test someone, let's say someone has
Speaker 1: a weird thing where they think that that something is
Speaker 1: better than something else, like the case I always used.
Speaker 1: My brother used to have a girlfriend who thought it
Speaker 1: was gross to reheat coffee from the day before. And
Speaker 1: then he was like, you can't tell, and she thought
Speaker 1: she could tell, and so he's he realized that what
Speaker 1: he thinks is she can detect the temperature differential between
Speaker 1: it coming off the coffee maker and it coming out
Speaker 1: of the microwave. So he took day old coffee and
Speaker 1: new coffee and made him be exactly the same temperature,
Speaker 1: at which point she couldn't pick it up. And someone
Speaker 1: was telling me, I even wrote this down somewhere because
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to mention it. He there's a thing
Speaker 1: called triangle testing. Like let's say you're telling me that
Speaker 1: you can tell a certain kind of beer, and I
Speaker 1: think there's no way you can pick that beer out
Speaker 1: of a crowd. Triangle testing is when you do two
Speaker 1: of a and one of and then the person has
Speaker 1: to come in And this is how they just professionally
Speaker 1: do this. The person has to come in and pick
Speaker 1: out be So you put out three tours the same, like,
Speaker 1: tell me which one is different, because that way you're
Speaker 1: eliminating it from being a chance that they're going to
Speaker 1: get it right right, So PEPSI challenge, go ahead, because
Speaker 1: that's what I usually think it is the best way
Speaker 1: to do it. So let's just say that we had, uh,
Speaker 1: two pieces of me that had been frozen thought frozen thought,
Speaker 1: and then one piece of meat that had been frozen thought.
Speaker 1: I just don't think anybody in the room could pick
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah. I think the word the resistance to
Speaker 1: free style freeze comes from which is inherently free staw,
Speaker 1: free staw unless you're eating it frozen. It comes from
Speaker 1: like food. It comes from restaurant people who are kind
Speaker 1: of like, you know, the word nazi gets abused these days,
Speaker 1: but like restaurant people are like the food safety nazis right,
Speaker 1: and so I think that they have all these like
Speaker 1: best practices and if you've got health inspectors and on
Speaker 1: and on and on. But I've been been doing it
Speaker 1: my whole damn life, probably not following the rules of
Speaker 1: a restaurant. No, not at all. But the reason where
Speaker 1: I use free stall freeze with game meat. And I
Speaker 1: know what you guys do is you bone something out
Speaker 1: and it's like you're in a hurry or wherever you're
Speaker 1: traveling or don't have time, and you bone something out
Speaker 1: and put it in gallon size zip block bags and
Speaker 1: kind of take them sharpie and sort of right on
Speaker 1: there what you think is in the bag. And then
Speaker 1: you later thought that bag out sorted out. I wonder
Speaker 1: what idiot body of yours wrote what was written on
Speaker 1: the bag, because it doesn't match up to what you
Speaker 1: feel has come out of the bag. Sort it all out,
Speaker 1: clean it all, get it and recipe ready pieces. Then
Speaker 1: I refreeze it, then I thought, and need it. I
Speaker 1: do that all the time, just for time's sake. You
Speaker 1: don't want to if you come in, you drop a
Speaker 1: deer off and you're going to do something else. You're
Speaker 1: not just gonna let it sit if you can try
Speaker 1: age it, or you're gonna age it somehow maybe, but
Speaker 1: freeze it all the time, and then fall it and
Speaker 1: freeze it again, and fall it, freeze again, and then
Speaker 1: you spend your whole life with people telling you can't
Speaker 1: do that. These people out here, y'all know, because of
Speaker 1: all this labeling thing. I just started keeping a hand
Speaker 1: grinder in the kitchen because I had so many instances
Speaker 1: being like, oh yeah, I'm gonna have steak. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have and I opened it up and it finally falls
Speaker 1: out and I'm like, oh boy, I'm gonna have a
Speaker 1: burger tonight. I think in our case, I don't want
Speaker 1: to throw anybody under the bus because they're not our
Speaker 1: idiot friends, but they just have less experience looking at
Speaker 1: me and then writing down what it is. But it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's the camera guys. Yeah for sure. When I get
Speaker 1: when I hit a mislabeled bag, I don't think it's you.
Speaker 1: I think it's other people. Okay, yeah, yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: asking that like as the prepare, the cook, the chef,
Speaker 1: however you want to put it, Like, when you're working
Speaker 1: with that piece of meat, do you notice a difference
Speaker 1: or does the person that's just putting it in their
Speaker 1: mouth and chewing on it notice a difference if it's
Speaker 1: been freeze frozendent thought or frozen thought multiple times. I
Speaker 1: know it because it lets off a lot more water.
Speaker 1: But um no, and you know what that would be.
Speaker 1: That's double blind the taste that the no double blind
Speaker 1: is when the person administering the test doesn't know either,
Speaker 1: that's double blind. That's nothing to do with what that
Speaker 1: guy's asking. The answer is go ahead, freeze tho, you're
Speaker 1: totally fine. Bear meat is delicious. Oh yeah, so bear
Speaker 1: meat trick gnosis um. There are those who believe there
Speaker 1: are those who believe that, and there's some you know,
Speaker 1: there's some evidence that supports this, that freezing it sterilizes it.
Speaker 1: The right amount of freeze sterilizes it, and that now
Speaker 1: prolonged exposure at lower tempts sterilize it. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: an article about this, which will have at the mediator
Speaker 1: dot com when it's ready, And it would be that
Speaker 1: you could take so it's like that it takes one
Speaker 1: sixty five to kill trick Anello spiralis or the various
Speaker 1: species of trick Anela larva kills it. But it might
Speaker 1: be that you could suevied bear meat for eight hours
Speaker 1: or what you know, a day at one forty and
Speaker 1: get it. So it might be possible with new technologies
Speaker 1: for future generations to eat raw rare and I'm not raw,
Speaker 1: to eat rare bear meat. Safely. But I hesitate to
Speaker 1: go and tell people to do something that I don't
Speaker 1: really know is right, having been afflicted. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some there. It seems to be that. But then
Speaker 1: here's the deal too, is like like trick and nos
Speaker 1: as we say, trick Anela spiralis is a very common form.
Speaker 1: But it seems that northern varieties might be more freezing,
Speaker 1: that might be more resistant to freezing. Northern varieties of
Speaker 1: the trick an ella what have you can handle that more?
Speaker 1: Because I believe there I've been cases where people have
Speaker 1: contracted it from meat that had been frozen for a
Speaker 1: long time, and so southern varieties could kill them from freezing,
Speaker 1: there are northern varieties that can't. So it gets a
Speaker 1: little bit tricky. So I don't know if we're gonna
Speaker 1: beating rare bear me anytime soon, but I think it's
Speaker 1: on the horizon. There's hope, there's hope. I want to
Speaker 1: revisit the thing we talked about a bunch, which is
Speaker 1: the saga of Steve ken Drots Busted Deer Antler, because
Speaker 1: I've told the story so many times I would like
Speaker 1: someone else to tell the story, and then I'll tell
Speaker 1: the why I've now changed my mind about it. Cal
Speaker 1: you were there, just tell the story. Call. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the quick and dirty on the story is you have
Speaker 1: this two guys that our buddies. One guy shoots a
Speaker 1: nice uh seek a deer stag um, it's got a
Speaker 1: broken time right, His buddy um that same season shoots
Speaker 1: a seek a deer stag um that upon keeping the stag,
Speaker 1: he finds a time embedded in the deer's neck. Yes, correct.
Speaker 1: Out of curiosity, he takes that time and is able
Speaker 1: to match it to Steve Kendrots seek a deer stag
Speaker 1: and it is a perfect match. Yes, that is the story.
Speaker 1: That's the story. And then we came into it and
Speaker 1: berated the man on this show. The man kept the time,
Speaker 1: so Steve's got the the deer that owned that once
Speaker 1: owned the time, and the man keeps the time that
Speaker 1: belongs to Steve's deer. And they were happy. They were happy,
Speaker 1: they were friends. Yeah, they were going on through life.
Speaker 1: And then we had come in and started the pot
Speaker 1: and we I thought that was an offensive idea, and
Speaker 1: I thought that Steve should get his time back, and
Speaker 1: we berated the man so much that he sends Steve
Speaker 1: the time, But now I feel like I was wrong
Speaker 1: because because this is all about guilt as he caught
Speaker 1: win that these people are talking about how bad he
Speaker 1: is that he didn't and then sends him the damn time.
Speaker 1: But then someone was like, it used to be that
Speaker 1: two people had a cool story, and two people could
Speaker 1: have guests come to their home. They could point at
Speaker 1: a shelf and say, see that, and then tell about it.
Speaker 1: But now only one guy has a cool story, only
Speaker 1: one because the guy don't even have the damn time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no conversations. No one's gonna be like, hey, what's that
Speaker 1: all about? And oh, I'll tell you what that's all about.
Speaker 1: But not only one guy's got a good story. But
Speaker 1: a guy wrote in about something that was interesting. So
Speaker 1: he's at a party and a guy, he says, one
Speaker 1: of the guests at the party starts some and he
Speaker 1: uses quotes. He starts some quote ship at the party
Speaker 1: and his cousin who's the host of the party, goes
Speaker 1: to call in the situation down and the man who
Speaker 1: started the problem, uh punches him right into face, real hard,
Speaker 1: knocks him out. He leaves. The next morning. The guy,
Speaker 1: the guy that got punched, he's hungover, but he wakes
Speaker 1: up and realized he no longer has his tooth, and
Speaker 1: they go and scour all around the yard and can't
Speaker 1: find the tooth. A week later, everyone gets word that
Speaker 1: the man who punched him is sick and in the hospital.
Speaker 1: The eventually find out that he's got some sort of infection,
Speaker 1: and it turns out that this tooth is buried in
Speaker 1: this man's hand, causing a nasty infection makes him sick.
Speaker 1: And he pointed out that no one ever called him
Speaker 1: and gave him his tooth back. So he thinks that
Speaker 1: if that's how it goes with humans, so it should
Speaker 1: go with deer and deer hunters. On a related note,
Speaker 1: a person had this experience. His brother, his brother in law,
Speaker 1: gets a new bow. You know this story. His brother
Speaker 1: law gets a new bow and they go out on
Speaker 1: the rain and he's gonna like shoot the bow and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this right. How he does this, The
Speaker 1: string slips out of his grip because it's a wet
Speaker 1: string and smacks his hand and he doesn't think anything
Speaker 1: of it, but he has a lot of problems with
Speaker 1: his hand after that. Five years later, he's sitting in
Speaker 1: a hot tub and out of his hand comes the
Speaker 1: knocking point which he carried around, not the knock of
Speaker 1: an air of the arrow, but the little little metal
Speaker 1: point it's on like a traditional bowl where you put
Speaker 1: your the knock of the arrow onto the string just
Speaker 1: underneath it that holds it there. Yeah, the little metal
Speaker 1: ferrell that you pinch onto a string. He unknowingly carried
Speaker 1: in his hand for five years and then it popped out,
Speaker 1: and he sent me a picture of both his hand
Speaker 1: and the thing. So I believe him, you guys. Uh,
Speaker 1: so he believes about the hot tube. He might have
Speaker 1: been making that up for Yeah, he might have been
Speaker 1: doing something weird. Six chicks so yeah, a bunch of
Speaker 1: ladies is namby got a birthday tonight. No one today, nobody.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go. Good, we'll get We'll get back
Speaker 1: to you. You know, I get it. The dude um
Speaker 1: and his bow blew up on him. He was letting down,
Speaker 1: called this bowl in. I told him don't shoot it,
Speaker 1: because I felt very strongly that we're gonna get on
Speaker 1: this real big ball. And as he was letting his
Speaker 1: bow down, it explodes, no idea. Why Um, the string
Speaker 1: smashes his left hand. He's supporting the bow with and
Speaker 1: for at least a month, the guy would send me
Speaker 1: pictures of what looked like a perfect tattoo of the
Speaker 1: bowstring and the d loop on the web of his
Speaker 1: left hand. So I can see how that knock point
Speaker 1: would get in bed at have a little bit of
Speaker 1: energy to get in there is then we got a
Speaker 1: birthday tomorrow. Yeah, they got a lot of life left though,
Speaker 1: that'll be fine. I don't like reward. I don't like
Speaker 1: reward youth. Uh. I like to find people in the
Speaker 1: autumn of their existence and try to make and try
Speaker 1: to lavish the enjoyment on them. Oh, the get a
Speaker 1: couple of different questions. One, you guys have a new
Speaker 1: Oregon finally has a new established road kill law. That
Speaker 1: that's something I've really failed to understand it all, is
Speaker 1: how some states would have it be that you it
Speaker 1: seems to be like a god given right that if
Speaker 1: you were to run something over there, like you're driving
Speaker 1: your car and you run something over that there, there
Speaker 1: could be the possibility of an argument that you should
Speaker 1: not be able to eat that thing, and the Lord
Speaker 1: said it shall be delicious. It's just just like it's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, No, we know you'd like to
Speaker 1: go home and and and utilize it and eat it,
Speaker 1: but it's very important to us that you let it
Speaker 1: bloat on the side of the road, uh in a
Speaker 1: in a track, flies and smell bad, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's important us that that's what happens to that, dear.
Speaker 1: I have as a conscientious objector. I have violated road
Speaker 1: kill laws many times, and almost as did the other day.
Speaker 1: But it happened to be the dead deer was in
Speaker 1: my yard and I felt like I would be a
Speaker 1: suspect and he had been hit real good. But so
Speaker 1: Oregon has a new thing where you can go and
Speaker 1: if people can file and get a permit for road kill,
Speaker 1: and so since January they have I think since about
Speaker 1: a week ago. Um, you guys, state has issued one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven permits for deer and elk. So
Speaker 1: that's pretty nice. We had to road kill sandwiches the
Speaker 1: other day. You eating road kill sandwiches? Yeah? Oh dirt,
Speaker 1: myth Dirt's dad Pop Dirt. He uh smack, you guys
Speaker 1: know him, saw somebody else smack a deer right next
Speaker 1: to their house and uh so he scooped it up
Speaker 1: Apparently it was tougher than hell um and they pressure
Speaker 1: cooked it, and uh, that's that's what eight. When we're
Speaker 1: ice fishing the other day, he's a he's a thrifty dude. Dude,
Speaker 1: we would usually limit like we would usually limit picking
Speaker 1: up deer too, that someone you saw someone hit it,
Speaker 1: or you like, are running somewhere real quick, and then
Speaker 1: you run there real quick and there's no dead deer.
Speaker 1: And then you're running back and there is and you
Speaker 1: do all the math in your head and you realize,
Speaker 1: are you on foot at this point? No, No, it
Speaker 1: would be dry and dry like you like, you're like
Speaker 1: I went to my buddies and then an hour later,
Speaker 1: you know, and you figure out the death of it
Speaker 1: went on. We had we got an interesting stories from
Speaker 1: two people are talking about like rules governing road kill,
Speaker 1: and then they're kind of related. I didn't catch one
Speaker 1: of these guys the state one of these guys is from.
Speaker 1: But motorist in front of a gentleman hits the deer.
Speaker 1: The deer is still alive in the road. That motorist
Speaker 1: gets out and drags the he's still living deer out
Speaker 1: of the road in departs. This guy happens to have
Speaker 1: a concealed carry permit. He calls the police and says,
Speaker 1: I have a deer here that a guy in front
Speaker 1: of me hit. It's still alive. I have a pistol
Speaker 1: with me. Um. I would like to keep the deer,
Speaker 1: and I would like to be able to shoot the
Speaker 1: deer because it's still alive. And they say, you cannot
Speaker 1: shoot that deer. We will have an officer out in
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. So rather than so, he goes out and
Speaker 1: strangles the deer because he doesn't want to break the law.
Speaker 1: What about The next logical step is that if you
Speaker 1: can't shoot it, strangle it. But that's where it's funny.
Speaker 1: So then an officer shows up and it's and he says, well,
Speaker 1: here's what happened, and the officer explains that he sure
Speaker 1: is glad that he strangled it, because they sure as
Speaker 1: hell wouldn't want to shoot it. A guy from Texas
Speaker 1: wrote in a about this where he comes across an
Speaker 1: accident where a deer has been hit and there's an
Speaker 1: officer there observing the wounded deer. He gets out and
Speaker 1: the officer explains that she does not feel right shooting
Speaker 1: the deer. And would he hands him the service pistol. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wrote in about how strange he thought this was
Speaker 1: shot twice in the air. Pop hands him the service pistol,
Speaker 1: which he uses to dispatch the deer. One thing leads
Speaker 1: to another, and eventually he has it tucked into his
Speaker 1: pants as they're messing around, and it gets to a
Speaker 1: part of the interaction where he pulls the pistol out
Speaker 1: of his waistband and hands it back to the officer
Speaker 1: and then goes about his business with his deer. That's
Speaker 1: awful gangster of that guy. It's it's like very very gangster. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, my little sister is a cop. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a part of the gig. I
Speaker 1: don't think they cover that in school. Oh it's Texas
Speaker 1: cal Well. What was we talked recently another show? We
Speaker 1: talked about, uh, what the most valuable thing you learned? Like,
Speaker 1: what's the most valuable thing you learned from your father?
Speaker 1: And I remember you were looking for a little clarity
Speaker 1: as we discussed this, and you meant like in life
Speaker 1: in general, or like hunting, fishing, outdoor type things. And
Speaker 1: there's a there's a miss there because we should have
Speaker 1: talked about as well, like what would be the most
Speaker 1: valuable thing you learned from your mother? But I think
Speaker 1: that guys get so like the whole father son thing
Speaker 1: really can kind of take a person over. But what
Speaker 1: was the most valuable thing you learned from your mom? Hunting? Fishing, outdoors, cooking?
Speaker 1: You know, Yanna, you're taking this one. You had to
Speaker 1: throw the cooking in there. Just helpful vacuum really from
Speaker 1: my mother, you know, that's all she did. I'm kidding. Um, Well,
Speaker 1: with dads, you're like, yeah, hunting, fishing, and then mom
Speaker 1: is like hunting, fishing, cooking. So I just went on
Speaker 1: step farther and said vacuuming. Oh yeah. But the deal is,
Speaker 1: there's like a reality to it that all the guys like,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to unpack. You can't unpack all the
Speaker 1: nurture nature things that it just gets really complicated, But
Speaker 1: just a reality that at a time, you know, all
Speaker 1: the all the guys in my family participated in some
Speaker 1: way in our media area, like all the guy participated
Speaker 1: to some extent in hunting and fishing, and it just
Speaker 1: so happens that virtually none of the women in my
Speaker 1: family did not. Because I don't think it's because of
Speaker 1: native proclivity, but just because of you create like a
Speaker 1: cultural inertia. Yeah, and your mom did most of the
Speaker 1: while game cooking right, other than it was a deep fried.
Speaker 1: My mom cooked it right, and my dad deep fried everything,
Speaker 1: but he kept the deep frier in the garage, so
Speaker 1: like made it almost more like it was almost more
Speaker 1: like mechanicckng. You know, you like go to the damn
Speaker 1: like you had to go to the garage to cook it.
Speaker 1: So he had made it his own right, must be clear.
Speaker 1: My dad vacuum the hell out of the rug like
Speaker 1: it was a good vacuum. Yeah. Back up every night, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know. My mom would always tell me, like,
Speaker 1: you know, wash your hands, eat your vegetual stuff like that,
Speaker 1: so that was key. But beyond that, um, the same
Speaker 1: as you. My mom never never hunted. Never Uh she
Speaker 1: encouraged me to hunt. I don't know, you never meant
Speaker 1: my mom all Now I feel like doing a your
Speaker 1: mom was not encouraging, uh, encouragement. That would be a
Speaker 1: good when I'll give that to you. But my mom
Speaker 1: was accepting, not only accepting of the things that we did,
Speaker 1: but passionate about our passion, right, So there's a way
Speaker 1: to inject you know, it will be like this is
Speaker 1: my wife as well. There's a way to inject uh
Speaker 1: energy into something that you aren't passionate about by accepting it,
Speaker 1: promoting it, and understanding that. You know, all our wives,
Speaker 1: all our moms, understand that it's something that we are
Speaker 1: driven by. And they put no no blockades in front
Speaker 1: of us, no bearers in front of us. They take
Speaker 1: they help us push them down, right. So that's what
Speaker 1: my mom did for me, because although she wasn't out
Speaker 1: there like my dad was, she was pushing down every
Speaker 1: area I had to go out and hunt. Everything she
Speaker 1: could do for me to make sure I was prepared
Speaker 1: to go. Everything she could do to make sure it
Speaker 1: was cooked when I got back. She was always pushing
Speaker 1: down those barriers to help us go outside. So I
Speaker 1: appreciate that that's good my mom um. My mom was
Speaker 1: pretty thrifty and the early hunting clothes that we had,
Speaker 1: my mom would buy wool and sew us wool suits
Speaker 1: to wear out hunting. She they had a garden and
Speaker 1: she would uh can so we had a canning room
Speaker 1: full all the glass jars lined up. She would can
Speaker 1: dear meat in the jars if we when we had
Speaker 1: brought home squirrels, she would help us get all the
Speaker 1: squirrels parted out, and then she would cram them in
Speaker 1: a crock pot and pour in cream and mushroom soup
Speaker 1: and cook them for us. She would roast ducks for us.
Speaker 1: She would on rainy cold days, she would drive us
Speaker 1: around to check our muskrat traps in her car. And
Speaker 1: it was all of this kind of like it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't glamorous, but it was all this like really
Speaker 1: supportive stuff where she recognized there was value in it.
Speaker 1: But to get a sense of so so I'm forty five,
Speaker 1: my dad was fifty when he had me. He was
Speaker 1: born in She was quite a bit younger than him,
Speaker 1: but they were there was like a different time, and
Speaker 1: to get a sense of how dudes interacted, like like
Speaker 1: how men interacted with women, my father interacted my mother
Speaker 1: would be that my mother would go and like an
Speaker 1: anecdote that explains sort of that relationship and how opportunities
Speaker 1: my mother would on Thanksgiving would like get a turk,
Speaker 1: not not shoot a turkey, but we would always cook
Speaker 1: a store about turk on Thanksgiving. So they're frozen in
Speaker 1: this big damn plastic bag, you know, and she would
Speaker 1: thaw the thing out in tub of water. She'd get
Speaker 1: the or the giblets out and boil the giblets and
Speaker 1: make all this stuff season the bird, stuff the bird,
Speaker 1: rolls the bird, do everything. That's all the work. Guys
Speaker 1: all day would do nothing to help, and then it
Speaker 1: would be done, and my dad would make this big
Speaker 1: show of carving the bird. It'd be like, now, now,
Speaker 1: little miss, we all know where your talents and uh,
Speaker 1: did you see this? Yeah, I will u cut its
Speaker 1: leg off because that that's beyond you. And like she
Speaker 1: would just allow this kind of stuff to happen. That's
Speaker 1: a perfect analogy for like how we think about our
Speaker 1: dads and our moms when it comes to hunting or
Speaker 1: anything outside really, you know, and traditionally it's true that
Speaker 1: we don't give him credit. Yeah, we build our fathers
Speaker 1: up as these great figures. And we talked about I
Speaker 1: talked about my dad all the time, like taking you
Speaker 1: out anything your mom, Like my mom would buy and
Speaker 1: stitch us will hunting clothes and she doesn't get to
Speaker 1: make it into a story. Sorry, moms. Road man, I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you I grew up a little different. We know,
Speaker 1: cal Hey tell counterfeits, Mike, is that on past tensing?
Speaker 1: Let me see your thing? Thanks? You get a hanging thing.
Speaker 1: I'll look at this. Yeah, friends, help, thank you? Selling
Speaker 1: all right here here here, Hello, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hello my friends. Hello. Alright. So my mom would be
Speaker 1: out like crawling around on her hands and knees catching
Speaker 1: grasshoppers so we could go fish time and fanatical fisher him.
Speaker 1: She super obsessive about fishing. Her mom. My grandma's the
Speaker 1: exact same way. Um, grandma never threw a fish back
Speaker 1: in the river in her entire life. Encouragement from that
Speaker 1: lady like you wanna believe I have a picture sheet? Uh?
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn how to fly fish at eighty
Speaker 1: nine years old. She called me up and was like,
Speaker 1: you need to drive up here and teach me how
Speaker 1: to fly fish. And I said, yeah, no problem, I'll
Speaker 1: be up you know in July. She said, Ryan, I'm
Speaker 1: eighty nine. You gotta come up here this weekend, which
Speaker 1: was an eight hour drive. But I did it. And
Speaker 1: she had an oxygen tank on her back and she
Speaker 1: had it turned off. This woman's got one long uh,
Speaker 1: so she could preserve her oxygen so she could prolong
Speaker 1: her fishing. Uh I was holding on to I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you gotta cast a little bit further. You gotta cast
Speaker 1: a little bit further. And she waded into the river
Speaker 1: and I had to grab her by basically her pants
Speaker 1: and her underwear, which was not the most comfortable thing
Speaker 1: for the grandson, UM, to prevent her from falling into
Speaker 1: the river. And uh I copped one big fish that day,
Speaker 1: and uh, I have this great picture that I think
Speaker 1: my mom got as I released this big brown trout
Speaker 1: into the river. Her face was like torture and her
Speaker 1: hands were out like this and she's going no. Uh
Speaker 1: So those women, uh were absolutely vital. And my enjoyment
Speaker 1: of the outdoors lots of encouragement, and some of my
Speaker 1: absolute first outdoor memories were because of those two gals. Yanni,
Speaker 1: you have to have a good one, Janni, because your
Speaker 1: least tolerant of your my jokes. Oh I got I
Speaker 1: got a lot to bring to the table for this one, Um.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, I hope nobody takes that damn.
Speaker 1: I was making a joke on a bad joke about
Speaker 1: the vacuum, So please yeah, you were doing me you all.
Speaker 1: I think you say you tell me that you know
Speaker 1: me better than nothing. The reaction I got there on
Speaker 1: that one. So you were like, you were uh parodying
Speaker 1: thank you you you were parodying uh Tucker Carlson impression.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. You gotta keep up
Speaker 1: on your current events. Go ahead, what's tell tell us
Speaker 1: about your mom? He's he's a hunter angler. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gotta have a lot more time to do that. I
Speaker 1: want what's interesting, because I want I went to an event.
Speaker 1: I went to an event one time at t RCP
Speaker 1: event and the m c s who are friends. Surprisingly
Speaker 1: it was m seed by Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow
Speaker 1: who are friends and both like the fish. I'm not joking.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, ni um. This is a tough one because
Speaker 1: you know how much I love my mom. Do a
Speaker 1: year my joke to Yanni. I one time did a
Speaker 1: year my joke Yanni, and he told me the next
Speaker 1: time I did that, I was gonna see a blinding
Speaker 1: flash of silver from his power ring and that would
Speaker 1: be the last thing I ever saw, not ever, just
Speaker 1: for the yeah, at that moment, it would go black
Speaker 1: after that uma when it comes to I'll make a
Speaker 1: brief when it comes to hunting and fishing, I really
Speaker 1: can't remember anything that she specifically would have taught me
Speaker 1: that would relate to the outdoors. I mean, she certainly
Speaker 1: she encouraged us, and she took us to boy Scouts
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But earlier, when we were hanging out, um,
Speaker 1: before the big crowd got here, um, somebody asked us
Speaker 1: about like what we learned from our our our dad's
Speaker 1: was that what the question was? Yeah, okay, And so
Speaker 1: I was saying about my dad at times it felt
Speaker 1: like he worked as like little child slaves, and but
Speaker 1: from that I got a good work ethic out of
Speaker 1: the deal. Right. Well, I think my mom was like
Speaker 1: definitely the yang to that yang where she didn't really
Speaker 1: like hammer on us that at all, but she just
Speaker 1: like whatever we did, no matter how bad we were,
Speaker 1: and we were bad at times, like really really bad,
Speaker 1: like drove her batty and and two tears often, I think,
Speaker 1: but she always accepted us and always loved us, and
Speaker 1: I think over the years it just taught she The
Speaker 1: biggest thing that she taught me to always just like
Speaker 1: to love, like no matter how bad someone can be
Speaker 1: or do something wrong, and just to always like just
Speaker 1: be like that's that's fine, and just continue to love
Speaker 1: and try to, you know, keep your heart open, not
Speaker 1: get down on people. And what's that got to do
Speaker 1: with hunting and fishing? What does it have to do
Speaker 1: with hunting and fishing? Keep your heart open, keep your
Speaker 1: heart open? Is Janice has headed down in two or
Speaker 1: three days, he's driving down for his mother's surprise birthday
Speaker 1: party Denver, Colorado. Is she gonna listen to this? You think?
Speaker 1: You know, there's the thing I wanted to like a
Speaker 1: long air we've made where you know, we're always talking
Speaker 1: about writers, and someone was he's written a couple of
Speaker 1: times about this. We're saying that we do Patrick McManus
Speaker 1: a great disservice by not celebrating Patrick mumanus. Another person
Speaker 1: wrote in where he was observing, how we use we
Speaker 1: mean the people on this year program, well use sometimes
Speaker 1: creek and sometimes creek. Now I want to combine these
Speaker 1: two things because Patrick McManus has the best working definition
Speaker 1: of what the difference between a creek and a creek is.
Speaker 1: He observed that if you can find a spare tire
Speaker 1: in it somewhere it's a creek. In the absence of tires,
Speaker 1: it becomes a creek, which I feel works well. So
Speaker 1: there we've taken care of the Patrick McManus problem, and
Speaker 1: I've explained how you can tell a creek from a creek.
Speaker 1: There's a question that that that we've wrestled with before.
Speaker 1: I want I want to get to it once is, uh,
Speaker 1: how do you get rid of hunting or fishing partner?
Speaker 1: And how do you do it? When do you do it?
Speaker 1: And have you done it? And he points to someone
Speaker 1: that the reason I bumped this question up in the
Speaker 1: list because I was reading something from someone who got
Speaker 1: kind of screwed real bad. Where they had There's a
Speaker 1: group of guys and they got some little uh public
Speaker 1: land hidie holes for ducks that they like to hunt,
Speaker 1: um that they aren't really well known, and they got
Speaker 1: some private land spots they like to hunt, and they
Speaker 1: got they took a buddy of theirs out and not
Speaker 1: only did the buddy then wound up guiding on those spots,
Speaker 1: but uses pictures from the day they took him to
Speaker 1: those spots on his website and he goes, he still
Speaker 1: wants to hunt with us, Should we let him but
Speaker 1: have you Yeah, how do you like? Have you ever
Speaker 1: had to go through the awkward and awkward breakup, an
Speaker 1: awkward hunting and fishing break up, No it's not you,
Speaker 1: it's me kind of thing. Yeah, No, I've never had too.
Speaker 1: I've always said pretty, you know, pretty good relationship with
Speaker 1: hunting partners. You never had to end one, never won.
Speaker 1: I've had some people that I thought it were dicks
Speaker 1: that I never would have partnered up with. Is generally
Speaker 1: avoided from the get go, from the get go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta be a good judge of character. I imagine
Speaker 1: I got nothing. Man, I've solved this through a couple
Speaker 1: of long walks. Uh and then there's just no more asking.
Speaker 1: They call that a disciplinary hike, and uh yeah, there's
Speaker 1: been a a couple of just real straightforward like listen,
Speaker 1: it's just it's not gonna work out. Yeah, that I
Speaker 1: can think of. I don't want to get into specific
Speaker 1: because I don't want to because none of them are dead. Um,
Speaker 1: but I've never done like I've never had. I've I've
Speaker 1: never been a situation where you had to be articulated,
Speaker 1: meaning that if it if it wasn't a good match,
Speaker 1: if the compatibility was bad. It would just you could.
Speaker 1: I think that both parties would feel it. I've never
Speaker 1: had where I'm like, man, I will never go somewhere
Speaker 1: with this guy again, and then had him still want
Speaker 1: to go somewhere, Like I think that that I'm maybe
Speaker 1: I'm not transparent about it, but I've had it, and
Speaker 1: we would even talk about we would even have a
Speaker 1: word for it, where me and my main crew we
Speaker 1: would say that someone had been o t CED, meaning
Speaker 1: they were out of the club, and it just people
Speaker 1: get OLTC. But you would never like notify someone. You
Speaker 1: just would stop inviting them. I thought maybe you throw
Speaker 1: them over a counter or something. No, not over the counter.
Speaker 1: All college days though, right, it's like big mixing pot
Speaker 1: of folks and you know you're at a party and
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh I like to hunt. I like to hunt.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of ones there it was like whoa, hey,
Speaker 1: I didn't get the call, Like, yeah, it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you brought that up. You're always late, you never pay
Speaker 1: for gas, you have no spots, you are out of
Speaker 1: the club. But the fellow that wrote in, I mean
Speaker 1: he's very clear, just like no way. Yeah, that feels egregious.
Speaker 1: The times when I've when I've broken up with someone,
Speaker 1: it would become it would be where they're where there
Speaker 1: came to be a like an incongruity or like like
Speaker 1: a lack of consistency about how open I was being
Speaker 1: with where we're going, and then whether or not that
Speaker 1: would be like reciprocated where I would be like I
Speaker 1: would go like, I'll take you to go check out
Speaker 1: this spot, and then you'd be like, hey, you know
Speaker 1: how you guys were getting into some you know whatever
Speaker 1: the other day, Where were you guys exactly? And they
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to divulge. And that always I felt like
Speaker 1: like the minute you open it up and offer someone
Speaker 1: take someone or give someone a spot, that there's like
Speaker 1: a thing that there's like a understanding most people have
Speaker 1: that that would be reciprocated. I'm starting to think, now,
Speaker 1: did anybody ever break up with me and I didn't
Speaker 1: know it. I'm open to the idea that it's happened
Speaker 1: to me. We haven't hunting together lately. Right now, I
Speaker 1: think I have to finish it off with the fact
Speaker 1: to say that it's like a very as they call them,
Speaker 1: first world problems, or it's like a luxury problem to
Speaker 1: have to be thinking about getting rid of hunting partners,
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people that don't can't
Speaker 1: find a single good hunting partner at all, you know,
Speaker 1: So I think talking about like picking the best ones
Speaker 1: is very luxury to be thinking that way. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people just came and find one to
Speaker 1: go out there. So you should just open your heart
Speaker 1: and keep loving the one that was good. That was good. Oh,
Speaker 1: that was good. I almost want to end. I almost
Speaker 1: want to end the show on that. But there's two
Speaker 1: more things I want to talk about. Uh. One thing
Speaker 1: it's interesting is there's an article that recently came out
Speaker 1: and it was about how wolves returning to Oregon in Washington,
Speaker 1: like what that would mean for deer hunters and what
Speaker 1: that means for deer. And an interesting study came out
Speaker 1: of University of Washington where in the press they found
Speaker 1: that in the it gets kind of interesting about mule
Speaker 1: deer and white tailed deer looks at multies and white tails.
Speaker 1: They find that they didn't put it this way. This
Speaker 1: is why I look at it would be no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not. That's not a loaded sentence that
Speaker 1: in the presence of wolves, mule deer become like more
Speaker 1: like mule deer, and in the presence of wolves, white
Speaker 1: tails become more like white tails, meaning that as mule
Speaker 1: deer face predation from wolves, they will sometimes shift their
Speaker 1: areas where they hang out by miles intend to go
Speaker 1: into rockier, steeper country then where they would like to
Speaker 1: be in the absence of wolves facebook predation by wolves.
Speaker 1: White tailed deer conversely get or white tail ish and
Speaker 1: want to go out into flatter, more open country. One
Speaker 1: of the things they attribute this too is you're familiar
Speaker 1: with I'll give you I'm gonna hit you boys with
Speaker 1: some trivia. What do you call the way a mule
Speaker 1: deer runs by his bounce, his bounce stopped, stopped, they
Speaker 1: stopped and stotting um gives them ability to jump and
Speaker 1: navigate through very broken, rough terrain. And it seems that
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they find that they can evade wolves
Speaker 1: better up in the nasty stink. White tails want to
Speaker 1: get downward. They can run long distances, faster and seymour.
Speaker 1: And to put a little bit of a negative on it,
Speaker 1: they say that it mule deer and the presence of
Speaker 1: wolves move into areas where they're more likely to get
Speaker 1: preyed upon by mountain Lions and deer move white tails
Speaker 1: move into areas where they're more likely to get smacked
Speaker 1: by a car and then shot by a driver borrowing
Speaker 1: the service pistol of of reluctant officer. They also gave
Speaker 1: some some credence to a thing where and and they're
Speaker 1: looking at it. It's like hunters red like as wolves
Speaker 1: move in and colonize more and more areas all time,
Speaker 1: hunters get oftentimes get a sense of that there's been
Speaker 1: a great decline in game numbers, and they open up
Speaker 1: the question in here that maybe as much as anything,
Speaker 1: people are realizing that that where they go to traditionally
Speaker 1: find game isn't paying off. The assumption is that it's gone,
Speaker 1: when in fact it might be radically redistributed, and that
Speaker 1: they're not seeing. You know what, I got a thing
Speaker 1: for you. A friend of mine, former friend of mine.
Speaker 1: He didn't get ourtc. We just lost touch. The writer
Speaker 1: Chris off It, I wrote a book about his family,
Speaker 1: to which his family took great offense, and he said,
Speaker 1: you know what, write your home book. So I'm recapping.
Speaker 1: I'm recapping the work I thought I was pretty clear.
Speaker 1: I'm explaining something that someone worked on. He finds that
Speaker 1: where was I the redistribution of game. Yeah, that there's
Speaker 1: a redistribution of game, and they're finding more so than
Speaker 1: an overall decline. But where it gets interesting is that
Speaker 1: the recap of it, like it touches on the eye idea.
Speaker 1: How ranchers have found that even though cattle are not
Speaker 1: getting killed necessarily, in some cases, they are not gaining
Speaker 1: weight is fast because they're dealing with so much added stress.
Speaker 1: And so you might not see high mortality just from predation,
Speaker 1: but the fact of being displaced and added stress could
Speaker 1: open animals up to higher mortality from other causes. It's
Speaker 1: a little something, just just a short, short, little son
Speaker 1: short prief uh. Before we get into the last thing,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. What is one um? What
Speaker 1: is one thing you cook? Talk about one thing you
Speaker 1: cook that you feel like everybody should know about. Hurt
Speaker 1: sam which is on Yeah, man, heart sandwiches. I stalk
Speaker 1: pile my hearts and my tongues. But like a medium
Speaker 1: rare heart sandwich that you know, the consistency of heart
Speaker 1: is perfect for a sandwich because you can cook and
Speaker 1: intact piece of meat. You don't have to like grind
Speaker 1: it up or slice it. And it's got bite, but
Speaker 1: no like pull to the bite. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: like a tough chunk of meat. You know that's pretty
Speaker 1: good man. That's like that's a great t shirt. It's
Speaker 1: got bite, but no pull to the bite. If if
Speaker 1: you know what that means, I will listen to what
Speaker 1: you have to say. It's true, it's got bite, there's
Speaker 1: no pull to the bite. Hurt sand dost sandos? How
Speaker 1: do you cook her? I met a guy that was
Speaker 1: big in the heart sandwich is one time. I think
Speaker 1: it was in the state of New Hampshire. He'd like
Speaker 1: to cook his in tomato juice in a crock pot.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason. Dudes with people with crock pots the
Speaker 1: whole cream and like you know people with crocot it
Speaker 1: comes with a can of soup. Yeah yeah yeah. So
Speaker 1: uh typically like my preparation right, like I'll get my
Speaker 1: heart out, cut it open, lay it out, clean her
Speaker 1: all up. I was gonna make an open heart sandwich joke.
Speaker 1: I thought that was heard sandwich. Your dad just had
Speaker 1: open heart sandwiches. It was a success. Uh, olive oil,
Speaker 1: salt and pepper, let its sit, you know, mix her
Speaker 1: up in a ball, let's sit and then uh like
Speaker 1: kapra say style like basil mozzarella, tomato uh mao, and
Speaker 1: garlic butter on the bun like facaccia bun. And then uh,
Speaker 1: throw that heart on the grill, hot grill, medium rare
Speaker 1: on the sandough, not sliced all thin. Because what's nice
Speaker 1: about the heart is you can literally, like if you
Speaker 1: wanted to, you can put the heart on top of
Speaker 1: your bun and cut out the outline of the bun,
Speaker 1: making it like a perfect meat to bread ratio. You're
Speaker 1: going a whole heart, no, not a hole. No, and
Speaker 1: it's a laid open Isn't that waste full of the
Speaker 1: remember the open your heart Joe open heart sandwich. But nights,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to track make sure I'm yeah, well
Speaker 1: I'll make them. I got a pile of hearts. Uh,
Speaker 1: go ahead and get you guys ready, because I can
Speaker 1: hit mine, no, hit yours, hit heres. I'm still thinking
Speaker 1: my foodding that I wish everybody knew about all You
Speaker 1: cannot go because you'll have something great. Oh no, mind's
Speaker 1: not great. No, it's not great. Okay, go ahead, everybody,
Speaker 1: knew about it. No, if it's not great, go for it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to wait. Uh, I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: lot dry agent lately. And because of that, the cuts
Speaker 1: in the on the highend leg that you might normally
Speaker 1: roast or you might normally put in a stew or something.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to, you know, smoke. We smoked in
Speaker 1: the office the other day, smoked the acoust der hind
Speaker 1: leg and just took the rounds and and everything just
Speaker 1: made steak. Just smoke and slice them thin. It was great.
Speaker 1: But I've discovered, especially on the elk, the eye of
Speaker 1: round is like this beautiful hidden tender loin that just
Speaker 1: sits inside of that back leg. So whether you age
Speaker 1: it or not, you ought to be searing, like probably
Speaker 1: reverse searing that I have around, just like it's a
Speaker 1: tender loin. Man, it's delicious. Don't forget about it. A
Speaker 1: lot of people forget about doing that. I love it
Speaker 1: around the eye of round. Someone was asking and I
Speaker 1: can't have found a good answer. They don't like when
Speaker 1: they age venison and you cut the rind off, they
Speaker 1: feel wasteful, Yeah, discarding the rind and there's I don't
Speaker 1: I discard it. It's also occurred to me I feel
Speaker 1: like someone to make a good contribution to wild game
Speaker 1: cuisine should notify the rest of us about a good
Speaker 1: use for the rind. Once it's trimmed off. Cow feels
Speaker 1: dog treats his That's a great when cow feels strongly
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't need it, right, I mean you feel
Speaker 1: like that. It's to go back to a point you
Speaker 1: made earlier. I I mean, I ate some in the
Speaker 1: office the other day. Just try it. That's me dealing
Speaker 1: with my own health. I'm not gonna recommend. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I understand's got a lot of problems, guys. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: working on them. But you know, white mold. We were
Speaker 1: white mold on salami and stuff like that all the time.
Speaker 1: So um, you know how he's dogging earlier on chefs
Speaker 1: and how pert snicky they are about food safety. A
Speaker 1: chef buddy mind if it's not black and fuzzy, he
Speaker 1: doesn't pay any attention to it. He doesn't like black
Speaker 1: fuzzy mold. But other than that, uh, did you know
Speaker 1: what's hanging to my garage? I have that? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did see that. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm waiting for that
Speaker 1: thing to become all rind. When it's rind all the
Speaker 1: way through, I'm gonna cook it as it's just it's
Speaker 1: just a team has like hanging from a hook above
Speaker 1: his work bench. What is basically at this point a
Speaker 1: desiccated deer leg. No, it's it's all cleaned, all it's
Speaker 1: been eating except for the shank. But it looks as
Speaker 1: if like the dog snagged it off the highway and
Speaker 1: drug it into the house. I have a plane to
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do with that thing. I just called
Speaker 1: Sean Brock's name. He's a good dude. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: didn't like this guy first. I'm starting like my one
Speaker 1: because this comes into where, uh my thing I wish
Speaker 1: everybody knew about is are you good on yours? I'm
Speaker 1: pretty good? Are you good? I'm good? Are we good together? Okay? Duck?
Speaker 1: It's like to take a puddle duck and pluck the
Speaker 1: duck and you cut off where you have the breast
Speaker 1: flay is boneless, and the back leg is bone in,
Speaker 1: and the back leg is connected to the breast flay
Speaker 1: by the skin. You can see how to do this
Speaker 1: in the mediator fishing game. Cookbook, which is available everywhere
Speaker 1: books are sold, and you take it and then you
Speaker 1: score the skin both ways so that you wind up
Speaker 1: with little centimeter squares of skin. Score it with a
Speaker 1: sharp knife. Then you turn your oven on four degrees,
Speaker 1: and once it's good and hot, you get a super
Speaker 1: hot skillet and lay the thing skin down on this
Speaker 1: lightly oiled super hot skillet. It's skin down on there
Speaker 1: until it's the skin pucker's up and all the little
Speaker 1: squares are puckered and crispy brown, and then you flipped
Speaker 1: it back, skin up and stick in your oven for
Speaker 1: six or eight minutes until it's very rare on the inside,
Speaker 1: cooked on the outside. Slice that son of a bit thin,
Speaker 1: serve it with chutney, and then let your children chew
Speaker 1: the drumstick that it's key that they're the way to
Speaker 1: eat duck. That's how you eat duck. And that's what
Speaker 1: I tell him. I'm like, that's how you eat duck.
Speaker 1: Your kids they love the bones. Why do they love
Speaker 1: the bones so much? My kids always say, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: we're what are they having tonight? Said? Helk me to
Speaker 1: the kind of the bones in it? And no, that
Speaker 1: does not help me, Like all they want on his
Speaker 1: ribs these days, or little duck legs too. I guess
Speaker 1: mine right now would be the one I wish everybody
Speaker 1: knew about would be. Um, it's I'm gonna start with
Speaker 1: turkey pot pie, which I use turkey drumsticks and thighs
Speaker 1: to make. But just is, see, this is seasonal. You're
Speaker 1: doing great, this is seasonal. Thank you, But just braisen
Speaker 1: down sighs and legs off of turkey. I still hear
Speaker 1: so many people talking about, oh, just pop the breast
Speaker 1: and you know, leave the rest out there. And man,
Speaker 1: you like to double your yield by taking out those
Speaker 1: you know, legs and thighs and then, uh, we've been
Speaker 1: doing now is free braising them. On the weekend, when
Speaker 1: I've got some time, I'll do just a whole crock
Speaker 1: pot full, cook them all day long, pick it all apart.
Speaker 1: My wife really likes it if I take all the
Speaker 1: tendons and the little extra stuff that didn't the jello
Speaker 1: that didn't quite melt down and disappear. All that stuff
Speaker 1: needs to speak go on, and then we package it
Speaker 1: in you know, half pound back seal bags super thin
Speaker 1: that way. And anytime I want to make a turkey
Speaker 1: pot pie, or we do um like Carneta's with them
Speaker 1: soft shell taco kind of deals. Um what else will
Speaker 1: make a quick like chicken noodle or not chicken turkey
Speaker 1: noodle soup? Um, just take some chicken stocks and noodles,
Speaker 1: some veggies throwing a package of that and got this
Speaker 1: awesome soup that um you know you get that super
Speaker 1: great wild dark meat flavor out of it. So um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's what I want everybody to know about, is that
Speaker 1: meat is awesome. You just gotta cook it right. And
Speaker 1: uh then if you want to go net next levels,
Speaker 1: make that turkey pop pie because that's a real crowd pleaser.
Speaker 1: Where can they find that one? Just joke? If they
Speaker 1: came up with you guess hip to this whole thing
Speaker 1: with lab grown cultured meat? Oh yeah yeah. People keep
Speaker 1: asking like, dude, if they come up with lab grown
Speaker 1: cultured meat, will you stop hunting? Look? What the hell?
Speaker 1: Like I did stop hunting? I didn't stop hunting when
Speaker 1: they came up with People didn't stop hunting when they
Speaker 1: came up with fire meat. No, why the hell would
Speaker 1: you quit for that? No? Negative, Feel free to boo
Speaker 1: everybody about that idea. It doesn't sound appetizing. No, I'm
Speaker 1: SKINNI sho of it, man, I'm skinnish to lab grown meat.
Speaker 1: And also it's like the whole thing about it is,
Speaker 1: it's what you're striving for in my mind, is like
Speaker 1: that that visceral hands on experience, you know, And that
Speaker 1: seems to me like running in the exact opposite direction.
Speaker 1: I do like, I don't care about I hope other
Speaker 1: people really did get to really love it, But no, man,
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't have any bearing. Yeah. Oh, you
Speaker 1: know what's funny about that. My wife sent me an article.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap We're gonna wrap it up in a
Speaker 1: second year. My wife sent me an article and it
Speaker 1: was someone some magazine has done an article about how
Speaker 1: all hipsters look the same. And there's a there's a picture.
Speaker 1: They use a picture of a hipster on it and
Speaker 1: the guy writes in he says, that's me in the picture,
Speaker 1: and I'm suing you guys, And then they go and
Speaker 1: do research on the image and it turns out it's
Speaker 1: not him. All right, So we got yanna. You you're
Speaker 1: gonna do, You're gonna do the things. Man. Um, We've
Speaker 1: got some presents for birthday gaps. Then we got quick
Speaker 1: a conclud conclud. I was thinking about like factory meets,
Speaker 1: you know, like meat to cultured meats, and anybody ever
Speaker 1: had like a stake um something like that stake um.
Speaker 1: But like, I feel like there's so much stuff worse
Speaker 1: already out there that you can get him McDonald's. That's
Speaker 1: that's that meat Mick ribb meet growing in the lab
Speaker 1: would be better for me than a Mick rib I
Speaker 1: just want to put that out there. They paint the
Speaker 1: grill marks out so like I don't have as much
Speaker 1: problem with that as I do. I think I feel
Speaker 1: like if you get McDonald's, you just have to eat
Speaker 1: it like in an alley, so you feel bad about what.
Speaker 1: I feel strongly about that. So I think, man, if
Speaker 1: they would be on the right track if you could
Speaker 1: literally like grow you could get like a kit and
Speaker 1: grow the meat like in your garden, right, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like you grow your own meat and then you
Speaker 1: at least have a sense of satisfaction of like, how's
Speaker 1: that burger? You like that? I used to be like
Speaker 1: che a pet style or on your counter growed out.
Speaker 1: But if if it's just like another series of somebody
Speaker 1: buying anonymous stuff that they have no connection to. It's like,
Speaker 1: what is this step forward or step back? What are
Speaker 1: you growing in your green house? We have tea bones
Speaker 1: in le filets. Yeah, I pulled that off the burger tree.
Speaker 1: You like that? Do you are? You asked? Oh, you
Speaker 1: got a concluder that you did that constantly? Was that
Speaker 1: your guys concluders? Yeah? I feel comfortable. I have a
Speaker 1: concluding question and then we'll see because that we get
Speaker 1: versions of this, but not this one. Is there every
Speaker 1: we always get asked like what animal we'd love to hunt?
Speaker 1: What animals hunt for the rest of our days? What
Speaker 1: animal have we not hunted yet? But what's the animal
Speaker 1: that you have not eaten yet that you would like
Speaker 1: to eat? Oh, that you're curious about? Yeah, we're working
Speaker 1: on a deal where we got a badger. Uh on
Speaker 1: the ground, sasqua, sasquash. Sasquash should have like nice backstraps, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably nice eye Round two? Next I round try sasquats.
Speaker 1: We got a badger. We're gonna do a thing where
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to eat a badgers. So I can't
Speaker 1: I'll say that promotional purposes. Uh, well, I guess all
Speaker 1: of it. Um, I'm curious about it all. But I
Speaker 1: just had, uh was hanging out and ice fishing with
Speaker 1: a state trapper in Montana and uh, I had just
Speaker 1: been cooking up some Mounta Lion with a friend of
Speaker 1: mine and he was like, well, yeah, what do you
Speaker 1: think about Bobcat? And so well, I've never eaten Bobcat
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, it tastes like piss. So now
Speaker 1: I really why a Bobcat could somehow it tastes different
Speaker 1: than a Mounta lion. Mountlin is delicious um and an
Speaker 1: absolute treat to have in the freezer. Um. So now
Speaker 1: I've kind of feel like I need to try some Bobcat.
Speaker 1: And dude, do the Pepsi Challenge triangle test triangle test. Yeah, Uh,
Speaker 1: for me, it would be a this is a little
Speaker 1: bit tricky because there's a fish I really like, like
Speaker 1: black codon, But it would be a I want to
Speaker 1: find out what a black cob that I caught taste like.
Speaker 1: That is tricky, which is tricky, which is very tricky.
Speaker 1: But I'm striving for that. I'm and I'm hoping to
Speaker 1: hit that this summer. That's my concluder. Now, well, you
Speaker 1: got some chores you need to do. Yeah, two things.
Speaker 1: Two things. One you canna help me out though with
Speaker 1: the merch table. What do we what do we got
Speaker 1: left out there? Well? We have so we have the
Speaker 1: show only, the live show only, Steam Breathing Turkey, How
Speaker 1: to go to Deer Bandana, how to go to Janni's,
Speaker 1: how to go to Dear Bandanna Col's Smells Now Lady
Speaker 1: T shirt. I must comment that I, for the first
Speaker 1: time I saw a guy wearing one, and it is
Speaker 1: a little bit creepy because but in like the best
Speaker 1: way possible, because I think that someone might see that,
Speaker 1: and they might not. I think that that's something that
Speaker 1: someone shouted during a grizzly bear attack. It might have
Speaker 1: been something that they overheard in a dark alley somewhere,
Speaker 1: something somehow in Las Vegas late night. It's a confusing shirt.
Speaker 1: The young lady that was, the young lady that's running
Speaker 1: the merged table probably not a hunter. The look she
Speaker 1: had when she was reading the text of that shirt.
Speaker 1: I wish I could, I wish I could. Was very impressed. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and she said, man, whoever would wear a shirt like
Speaker 1: this would be a sexy, beautiful human being. But hear
Speaker 1: the words I heard, big Open Heart. Yes, we also
Speaker 1: have uh th HC, the Hunting Collective. I was concerning
Speaker 1: to me that we're calling it Gosh, guys, this is
Speaker 1: the podcast that I have, and it's concerning that we're
Speaker 1: starting to call it th C. But if we're gonna
Speaker 1: call it t j C, I think we should start
Speaker 1: selling gummy bears. I heard real quick. Uh. What I
Speaker 1: heard from a guy is they don't understand this, but
Speaker 1: now we're talking about packing a full stadium of dip big.
Speaker 1: He said, there's a thing they do which means just
Speaker 1: so everybody's on board, which means that you take enough
Speaker 1: to fill up your whole upper gun and you're a
Speaker 1: whole lower gun because you can you can run like
Speaker 1: you can run an upper decker, which is which is
Speaker 1: or a horse shoe. You can run a horse shoe
Speaker 1: or upper decker. You can run a horse shoe lower decker.
Speaker 1: But when you run both, or shoot upper and lower decker,
Speaker 1: it becomes a full stadium. But apparently the youngsters these
Speaker 1: days are taking where they're running up the running the
Speaker 1: full stadium of gummy bears while doing tequila shots. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And a guy was talking about having this happen, and
Speaker 1: then all of sudden had to throw up and got
Speaker 1: so bogged up in his mouth that he threw up
Speaker 1: out his nose, so it's like, and he rode into
Speaker 1: the meteor website. For some reason, he wrote us about this.
Speaker 1: We're very for some very trusting. You wouldn't tell anybody
Speaker 1: about it? And do I have a problem, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd have to go revisit it. I don't think there
Speaker 1: was a problem, like I was pouring over my on
Speaker 1: X and then please don't tell anyone about this, all right, guys.
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