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Speaker 1: How's Portland's doing tonight? Earlier? I don't know why I'll

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, I don't know that. Um be like

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, So your husband like didn't want to bring you,

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Speaker 1: So it's the baby. The baby is Tommy, the dad

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Speaker 1: part for having a baby right, not in Hunting season?

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Speaker 1: What is it? Oh you're timing? Not not in Hunts season? Baby,

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Speaker 1: well done. There's a there's a dude out here, Ryan Kristen,

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Speaker 1: like me? All right? Are good? Buddy? Matt Elliott from

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Speaker 1: your bounties on Northern Pike middals at least three four,

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Speaker 1: Get him? Cal? It's an odd thing, is what I

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Speaker 1: fancy beer per fish. So this year, so the bounty program,

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Speaker 1: And this year more than one dozen anglers earned over

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not disparaged of the program. I was

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Speaker 1: a bounty. Okay, do you have some exposure to contemporary

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Speaker 1: Everybody's starting. Everybody's cool with the idea that people use

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Speaker 1: to So the program pays anglers five to eight bucks

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Speaker 1: Pike Meddals. Uh, there are a bunch in the top twenty.

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Speaker 1: the Northern Pike Middals Sport Reward Fishery pulled eighty four

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Speaker 1: previous year in two thousand sixteen, a mug fished up

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Speaker 1: you could access through a TV. So, um, that took

424
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: a lot of hunters out of the equation. Then it

425
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: was a bunch of the area was buck only, and

426
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: like two thirds of the two or sixty three deer

427
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: were females, were those that were collars. So all of

428
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: a sudden you bring the number of like possible deer

429
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: to shoot way down. So really there's a fraction. Yeah,

430
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: so I just said, so three deer. It was a fraction.

431
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: You know, there were available four hunters to actually shoot.

432
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: So and I called them the lowly Florida hunter because

433
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: we're just thinking, man, how did like the panther just

434
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: out hunt you that bad? But and then and then

435
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: the writer was like kind of prefaced the whole the

436
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: guy that rolled in preface the little thing being like

437
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: kind of sticking up for his tribe. Yes, it's like,

438
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: it's not Florida Florida hunters or cold blooded killers. Don't

439
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: you make no mistakes. Given the opportunity, they would have

440
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: got it done. That's right. What I when he finished

441
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: with that thought was really interesting is how he said that, um,

442
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: that zone which none of us I think from where

443
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 1: we live consider like that you'd have sort of contentious

444
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: wildlife issues in Florida, right, Like, I don't know, I

445
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: just have an idea of Florida that's not that. But

446
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: he just said, like, imagine if l A was in

447
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: the middle of Idaho. He's like, there, it's Naples, and

448
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: then it looks like a big city of Miami on

449
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: on the other coast, right, and then you just got

450
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: this crazy wildlife corridor in the middle. And so when

451
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: you have like a management meeting in the public's invited,

452
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: you just imagine. Man, it's like every single character of

453
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: the United States is you know, different kinds of minds

454
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: that are shown up there to give their opinion. It's

455
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: pretty wild. Yeah, it's a country. Yeah, it's a fighting

456
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: state when it comes wild. Because they had the they

457
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: had their they won their bear season back and then

458
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: lost their bear season. People fight over creators in Florida.

459
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: But what are our paths of the Booma? Guys saying though,

460
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: like to out hunt a cat, you better be doing

461
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: some serious hunting. I mean, that's a deer every four days, right,

462
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: about a deer every week, and you've got two hundred

463
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: and fifty you have about two lions in Florida. It's

464
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: a small population, but people too, just the way people work, Uh,

465
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people I think over ascribe, you know

466
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like people don't want to have

467
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: any competition. So I think that some people here, some

468
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: people know that there's mountain lions out there, and they'll

469
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: blame they're not like, damn cars kill all the deer,

470
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: which kill a help a lot more deer in Florida,

471
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: the mountain lions, but you kind of like pick the

472
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: thing that seems most like you. So hey, So that

473
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: I think that that people have a feeling that they

474
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: do more damage than perhaps they do. But then this

475
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: study really kind of throws that off because this study

476
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: they are just steadily whittling away at these things. Someone

477
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: brought up this idea and they wrote in about another

478
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: piece of work that got done where there was some

479
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't know the details on it. I'm sure we'll

480
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: hear about it, but someone in some biologists I believe

481
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: working in Africa, we're looking at when you do a

482
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: coloring study that you're kind of throwing it off because

483
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: they argue this person was writing and argues that an

484
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: animal that's wearing a collar is actually more likely to

485
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: be killed by predators, more likely than his herd mates

486
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: to be killed by predators. Janice has it he has

487
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: a feeling why this is Yeah, I interpret it as

488
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: I think he's he put this in the email, is

489
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: that the one of the best defenses that hurt animals

490
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: have is that when they are attacked, they're allowed to

491
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: move as a mass and sort of distract predators coming

492
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: in there, and the prayertor can't. It's harder for the

493
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: prayer to isolate one single animal because they all kind

494
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: of looked the same, they're moving the same. But when

495
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: in his study that he was referencing, I think that

496
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: they had painted the horns pink or red, and he

497
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: was saying that he thought that because they were losing

498
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: animals very quickly in their study, and he just felt

499
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: like the feeders were able to get in there and go, oh,

500
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: if I just keep chasing that one with the pink horns,

501
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: eventually that one's gonna get tired. It's easy for me

502
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: to stay on track. So you're saying, if you were

503
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: like a smart wild beach, you might go and like

504
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: put a sticker on your bro and run beside him

505
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: during when the lions come around, put a little glitter

506
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: on them or something like that. Find them out. My interpretation,

507
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: not my interpretation, but I think an idea that I

508
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: would like to add on that I can't tell you

509
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: is right or wrong, but it feels right to me,

510
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: would be that they might also see it and register

511
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: it as not just that they can keep a track

512
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: of a mad the confusion, register it as different. Perhaps

513
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: wounded pointing out, yeah, pointing out that this guy took

514
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: offense to the idea that when you put a collar

515
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: on them, you make them more likely to get killed,

516
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: even though he wasn't really able to only back it

517
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: up a poaching thing on on top of real quick.

518
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: This guy had the most genius idea of any poet

519
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: I ever heard. He poaches a buck out of season

520
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: or gets an extra buck, and then decides to freeze

521
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: the whole damn thing to check it in next season. Yeah, buddy,

522
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 1: but gets caught. Did he say how he got caught?

523
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: Does it? I can't. I can't find out how he

524
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: got caught. It was a twenty yes, freezer burn. It's like,

525
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's like this is like a real like

526
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: a Michigan style it's a twenty point buck freezer are

527
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: we talking about? I don't know. I don't know. I'm

528
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: t curl it up. Yeah, they just let bedded down

529
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: in this freezer for a year. How come no one's

530
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: asking me how old he is? How old the buckets? No,

531
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: the man is fifty six. You guys just asked me parts.

532
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. No one's saying no. One's like, uh,

533
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: what was his last name? Still? What county they live in?

534
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: Dob You don't know? The caliber freezes the thing? How

535
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: many points? Wasn't? Well? Yeah, but you gotta understand in

536
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: the Midwest, this is Indiana. When when when we're a

537
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: little kid, if if a TV host named Fred Trost

538
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: could hang his wedding ring on a point that was

539
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: a point, That's why in Michigan you'd be like, do

540
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: you hear Billy shot a thirteen pointer and you see

541
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: the buckets like you know, like your hand right the

542
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: size of that. But it would be like any little

543
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: protuberance is it is a count? So they're calling it,

544
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: but but it does. It's a it's a two white tail.

545
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: So here here's the funny thing where ties into something

546
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: you've been talking about lately he's been talking about ways

547
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: in which you get in trouble for killing stuff. So

548
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: this guy gets a hundred hours of community service five

549
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: forty day is a probation and a seven dty one

550
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: dollars and finding court costs, and then he has a

551
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: paltry replacement fee of five hundred bucks, which is where

552
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: the state puts a value. This is just the portion

553
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: where the state says that dear is worth five bucks

554
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: to the people of the state. Like what we have

555
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: you know what we have invested in the animal. It's

556
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: values five hundred bucks or five bucks one state over

557
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: in Ohio, So that buck must have been orphaned. Like, no,

558
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: there's no game management manager watching over him. Nothing. He

559
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: was just kicked to the curve. They didn't have any

560
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: money in doing one year old. No, it's it's he's

561
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: saying something totally different. He was saying, like, why is

562
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: it valued so low? Because in Ohio the replacement fee

563
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: on the buck would be honest, knows what it is.

564
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: He did the map, that's Ohio's replacement fee. Indiana's replacement

565
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: FeAs five hundred bucks. Indiana has got a lot going on.

566
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: They're busy, they got a lot they're turning out so

567
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: many tucks. They drove the value down. Another guy froze

568
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: the two. That's five hundred bucks for fun. It will

569
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: be fine. Do you do you remember talking about I

570
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: was really surprised and pleased about a particular snake that

571
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: I heard had a a barbed pecker. Remember this, this

572
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: is one of the two of them. Well, no, he

573
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: was a double peckers. There was a snake and a snake.

574
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: Guy was explaining that virtually all snakes have two packers.

575
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: Someone what was explaining to me something interesting about ducks

576
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: Where he's saying, most ducks only have a cloaca, which

577
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: is like a uni hole. Right, like all commings and

578
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: goings happened in and out of these male female holes

579
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: that you line up. Three percent of birds have penises.

580
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Ducks have penises. Some of them are corkscrewed and maybe barbed.

581
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: And the ducks can be longer than the duck itself

582
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: eight to seventeen inches. Now I'm not gonna like add

583
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: a lot to this. There was a dirty limerick. There

584
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: was a dirty limerick I knew as a child that

585
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: had to do with They had to do with an anatomy.

586
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: Part that was threaded and it was and someone had

587
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: to search high and low to find a compatible partner

588
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: that they found them that they thought compatible. What I

589
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: want being a left handed thread in the way of

590
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: dirty it was just an old dirty limit. Again for

591
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: the listeners, who are you who can't see us? Steve

592
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: is making a corkscrew motion with his finger motion, and

593
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: sexual explained this fact of duck anatomy um jumping in

594
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: something I wanted to talk about freezing crab? What uh

595
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: you have experienced the blue crabs? John? Can you can

596
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: you walk through crab freezing for a fellow the road in? Yeah?

597
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: I can, but through my father in law, be cause

598
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: I personally haven't frozen the crabs myself, but I know

599
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: how he didn't because I hooked him up with a

600
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: new western uh back stealer. And so he the At first,

601
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: the crabs are punching through the bags. They have point

602
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: little edges all over him. So he likes to clean

603
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: him first. He likes to clean out the lungs and

604
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: the guts and sprays them all out. So nice, pretty

605
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: clean crabs. But it still looks like a crab. But

606
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: he hasn't totally no, no, no, yeah, And so he

607
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: just he started putting parchment paper I believe in there

608
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: on on the top and bottom that gave it just

609
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: enough would flatten out the spiny parts and the bumps

610
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: to not break the seal. Sorry paper plates. Um, So

611
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: we ate them over the holiday. So they were frozen,

612
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, mid summer probably, and then we ate them

613
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: over Christmas and they were fine. They tasted just like

614
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: does he you guys, don't you guys don't boil them first? No, no, no,

615
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: they were not not not pretty boiled. I wonder why,

616
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: because like my trainings and crab have always been, when

617
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna to freeze crab, you always boil it like

618
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: dungeoness ten minutes very salty water, then freeze only freeze

619
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: the knuckles and then or we pick it in bag

620
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: bag it. But then someone recently turned me on too

621
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: picking it. And this is like like sportsmen sports women,

622
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: everyone's always trying to do stuff in milk, soaking flames

623
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: and milk this and that milk. But picked their dungeoness

624
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: crab meat, put it in a jar in milk and

625
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: freeze it. And I did, and I let the thing

626
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: sit there for a calendar year on the why I

627
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: threw in the word calendar. Yeah, like not just any year, brother,

628
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: this is a calendar here. Um frozen for a whole

629
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: year and it was good. It wasn't like brand new crab,

630
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: but it was good frozen that way. Buttermilk five's got

631
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: his hand up again, like half and half you're gonna

632
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: pop your shoulder blade. Owt man this, calm calm down.

633
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: I feel bad. I gotta make an a mission here.

634
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: I'm from Maryland, the blue crab state, and I never

635
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: frozen crab in my life. You say crab training. My

636
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: crab training was to pick them and eat him and

637
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: get drunk, because the only training I ever had. And

638
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: if somebody says no needing to get a freezeful, to

639
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: get a freezer involved in that situation. But we have

640
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: a service to to to reply to the I can't

641
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: tell the man. You can tell him that he wants

642
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: he wants to freeze them. Your grandfather, and you want

643
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: to spoil your grandchildren that love to eat crabs and

644
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: they only come a couple of times a year, you

645
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: will they're not old enough to drink beer. Yes, I

646
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: like how there was zero division on the pick crab

647
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: drink beer, not everybody's like, wait a minute, drink beer.

648
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: You're going to pick up the crabs at the place

649
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: to drink beer on the way back, and while you're

650
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: picking them, it's all the same methodology. So you're saying

651
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: it's cool, you're saying it's like, really bad if you're

652
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: from Maryland to do this, we freeze them. I got

653
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: no problem freezing them. I think it might have to

654
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: be with how successful of a trapper you are. That's true,

655
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: because if you go only get like onesies, twosies, if

656
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: you're like stacking them up. Another freeze question and yeah,

657
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: just feels like we've answered the bunch, but it comes up.

658
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: Maybe this will be the last time. But but can

659
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: you freeze thaw and then freeze meat? Yes you can,

660
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: but you can't free starf free starf freeze freeze thought.

661
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Yeah, I think you can go to town

662
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: with with that whole business and you're not gonna I

663
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: bet we could pepsi challenge the whole room. Nobody would

664
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: tell us if how many times can can you what

665
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: you just say? I said, we could pepsi challenge. That's interesting,

666
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Someone I forgot about this, well, I know

667
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: but someone was like a pet. Like he was saying,

668
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: when you're trying to test someone, let's say someone has

669
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: a weird thing where they think that that something is

670
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: better than something else, like the case I always used.

671
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: My brother used to have a girlfriend who thought it

672
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: was gross to reheat coffee from the day before. And

673
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: then he was like, you can't tell, and she thought

674
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: she could tell, and so he's he realized that what

675
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: he thinks is she can detect the temperature differential between

676
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: it coming off the coffee maker and it coming out

677
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: of the microwave. So he took day old coffee and

678
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: new coffee and made him be exactly the same temperature,

679
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: at which point she couldn't pick it up. And someone

680
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 1: was telling me, I even wrote this down somewhere because

681
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to mention it. He there's a thing

682
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: called triangle testing. Like let's say you're telling me that

683
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: you can tell a certain kind of beer, and I

684
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: think there's no way you can pick that beer out

685
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: of a crowd. Triangle testing is when you do two

686
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: of a and one of and then the person has

687
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: to come in And this is how they just professionally

688
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: do this. The person has to come in and pick

689
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: out be So you put out three tours the same, like,

690
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: tell me which one is different, because that way you're

691
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: eliminating it from being a chance that they're going to

692
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: get it right right, So PEPSI challenge, go ahead, because

693
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: that's what I usually think it is the best way

694
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: to do it. So let's just say that we had, uh,

695
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: two pieces of me that had been frozen thought frozen thought,

696
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: and then one piece of meat that had been frozen thought.

697
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: I just don't think anybody in the room could pick

698
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah. I think the word the resistance to

699
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: free style freeze comes from which is inherently free staw,

700
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: free staw unless you're eating it frozen. It comes from

701
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: like food. It comes from restaurant people who are kind

702
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 1: of like, you know, the word nazi gets abused these days,

703
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: but like restaurant people are like the food safety nazis right,

704
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: and so I think that they have all these like

705
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: best practices and if you've got health inspectors and on

706
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: and on and on. But I've been been doing it

707
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: my whole damn life, probably not following the rules of

708
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: a restaurant. No, not at all. But the reason where

709
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: I use free stall freeze with game meat. And I

710
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: know what you guys do is you bone something out

711
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: and it's like you're in a hurry or wherever you're

712
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: traveling or don't have time, and you bone something out

713
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: and put it in gallon size zip block bags and

714
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: kind of take them sharpie and sort of right on

715
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: there what you think is in the bag. And then

716
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: you later thought that bag out sorted out. I wonder

717
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: what idiot body of yours wrote what was written on

718
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: the bag, because it doesn't match up to what you

719
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: feel has come out of the bag. Sort it all out,

720
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: clean it all, get it and recipe ready pieces. Then

721
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: I refreeze it, then I thought, and need it. I

722
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: do that all the time, just for time's sake. You

723
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: don't want to if you come in, you drop a

724
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: deer off and you're going to do something else. You're

725
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: not just gonna let it sit if you can try

726
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: age it, or you're gonna age it somehow maybe, but

727
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: freeze it all the time, and then fall it and

728
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: freeze it again, and fall it, freeze again, and then

729
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: you spend your whole life with people telling you can't

730
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: do that. These people out here, y'all know, because of

731
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: all this labeling thing. I just started keeping a hand

732
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: grinder in the kitchen because I had so many instances

733
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: being like, oh yeah, I'm gonna have steak. I'm gonna

734
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: have and I opened it up and it finally falls

735
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: out and I'm like, oh boy, I'm gonna have a

736
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: burger tonight. I think in our case, I don't want

737
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: to throw anybody under the bus because they're not our

738
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: idiot friends, but they just have less experience looking at

739
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: me and then writing down what it is. But it's uh,

740
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: it's the camera guys. Yeah for sure. When I get

741
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: when I hit a mislabeled bag, I don't think it's you.

742
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: I think it's other people. Okay, yeah, yeah, he's he's

743
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: asking that like as the prepare, the cook, the chef,

744
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: however you want to put it, Like, when you're working

745
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: with that piece of meat, do you notice a difference

746
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: or does the person that's just putting it in their

747
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: mouth and chewing on it notice a difference if it's

748
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: been freeze frozendent thought or frozen thought multiple times. I

749
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: know it because it lets off a lot more water.

750
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: But um no, and you know what that would be.

751
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: That's double blind the taste that the no double blind

752
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: is when the person administering the test doesn't know either,

753
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: that's double blind. That's nothing to do with what that

754
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: guy's asking. The answer is go ahead, freeze tho, you're

755
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: totally fine. Bear meat is delicious. Oh yeah, so bear

756
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: meat trick gnosis um. There are those who believe there

757
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: are those who believe that, and there's some you know,

758
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: there's some evidence that supports this, that freezing it sterilizes it.

759
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: The right amount of freeze sterilizes it, and that now

760
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: prolonged exposure at lower tempts sterilize it. We're gonna do

761
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: an article about this, which will have at the mediator

762
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: dot com when it's ready, And it would be that

763
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: you could take so it's like that it takes one

764
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: sixty five to kill trick Anello spiralis or the various

765
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: species of trick Anela larva kills it. But it might

766
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: be that you could suevied bear meat for eight hours

767
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: or what you know, a day at one forty and

768
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: get it. So it might be possible with new technologies

769
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: for future generations to eat raw rare and I'm not raw,

770
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: to eat rare bear meat. Safely. But I hesitate to

771
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: go and tell people to do something that I don't

772
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: really know is right, having been afflicted. Um, but yeah,

773
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: there's some there. It seems to be that. But then

774
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: here's the deal too, is like like trick and nos

775
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: as we say, trick Anela spiralis is a very common form.

776
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: But it seems that northern varieties might be more freezing,

777
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: that might be more resistant to freezing. Northern varieties of

778
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: the trick an ella what have you can handle that more?

779
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: Because I believe there I've been cases where people have

780
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: contracted it from meat that had been frozen for a

781
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: long time, and so southern varieties could kill them from freezing,

782
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: there are northern varieties that can't. So it gets a

783
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: little bit tricky. So I don't know if we're gonna

784
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: beating rare bear me anytime soon, but I think it's

785
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: on the horizon. There's hope, there's hope. I want to

786
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: revisit the thing we talked about a bunch, which is

787
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: the saga of Steve ken Drots Busted Deer Antler, because

788
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: I've told the story so many times I would like

789
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: someone else to tell the story, and then I'll tell

790
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: the why I've now changed my mind about it. Cal

791
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: you were there, just tell the story. Call. Yeah. So

792
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: the quick and dirty on the story is you have

793
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: this two guys that our buddies. One guy shoots a

794
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: nice uh seek a deer stag um, it's got a

795
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: broken time right, His buddy um that same season shoots

796
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: a seek a deer stag um that upon keeping the stag,

797
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: he finds a time embedded in the deer's neck. Yes, correct.

798
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: Out of curiosity, he takes that time and is able

799
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: to match it to Steve Kendrots seek a deer stag

800
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: and it is a perfect match. Yes, that is the story.

801
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: That's the story. And then we came into it and

802
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: berated the man on this show. The man kept the time,

803
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: so Steve's got the the deer that owned that once

804
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: owned the time, and the man keeps the time that

805
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: belongs to Steve's deer. And they were happy. They were happy,

806
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: they were friends. Yeah, they were going on through life.

807
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: And then we had come in and started the pot

808
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: and we I thought that was an offensive idea, and

809
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: I thought that Steve should get his time back, and

810
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: we berated the man so much that he sends Steve

811
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: the time, But now I feel like I was wrong

812
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: because because this is all about guilt as he caught

813
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: win that these people are talking about how bad he

814
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 1: is that he didn't and then sends him the damn time.

815
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: But then someone was like, it used to be that

816
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: two people had a cool story, and two people could

817
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: have guests come to their home. They could point at

818
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: a shelf and say, see that, and then tell about it.

819
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: But now only one guy has a cool story, only

820
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: one because the guy don't even have the damn time. Yeah,

821
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: no conversations. No one's gonna be like, hey, what's that

822
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: all about? And oh, I'll tell you what that's all about.

823
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: But not only one guy's got a good story. But

824
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: a guy wrote in about something that was interesting. So

825
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: he's at a party and a guy, he says, one

826
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: of the guests at the party starts some and he

827
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: uses quotes. He starts some quote ship at the party

828
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: and his cousin who's the host of the party, goes

829
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: to call in the situation down and the man who

830
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: started the problem, uh punches him right into face, real hard,

831
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: knocks him out. He leaves. The next morning. The guy,

832
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: the guy that got punched, he's hungover, but he wakes

833
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: up and realized he no longer has his tooth, and

834
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: they go and scour all around the yard and can't

835
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: find the tooth. A week later, everyone gets word that

836
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: the man who punched him is sick and in the hospital.

837
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: The eventually find out that he's got some sort of infection,

838
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: and it turns out that this tooth is buried in

839
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: this man's hand, causing a nasty infection makes him sick.

840
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: And he pointed out that no one ever called him

841
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: and gave him his tooth back. So he thinks that

842
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: if that's how it goes with humans, so it should

843
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: go with deer and deer hunters. On a related note,

844
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: a person had this experience. His brother, his brother in law,

845
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: gets a new bow. You know this story. His brother

846
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: law gets a new bow and they go out on

847
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: the rain and he's gonna like shoot the bow and

848
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this right. How he does this, The

849
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: string slips out of his grip because it's a wet

850
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: string and smacks his hand and he doesn't think anything

851
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: of it, but he has a lot of problems with

852
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: his hand after that. Five years later, he's sitting in

853
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: a hot tub and out of his hand comes the

854
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: knocking point which he carried around, not the knock of

855
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: an air of the arrow, but the little little metal

856
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: point it's on like a traditional bowl where you put

857
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: your the knock of the arrow onto the string just

858
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: underneath it that holds it there. Yeah, the little metal

859
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: ferrell that you pinch onto a string. He unknowingly carried

860
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: in his hand for five years and then it popped out,

861
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: and he sent me a picture of both his hand

862
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: and the thing. So I believe him, you guys. Uh,

863
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: so he believes about the hot tube. He might have

864
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: been making that up for Yeah, he might have been

865
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: doing something weird. Six chicks so yeah, a bunch of

866
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: ladies is namby got a birthday tonight. No one today, nobody.

867
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh there you go. Good, we'll get We'll get back

868
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: to you. You know, I get it. The dude um

869
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: and his bow blew up on him. He was letting down,

870
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: called this bowl in. I told him don't shoot it,

871
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: because I felt very strongly that we're gonna get on

872
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: this real big ball. And as he was letting his

873
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: bow down, it explodes, no idea. Why Um, the string

874
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: smashes his left hand. He's supporting the bow with and

875
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: for at least a month, the guy would send me

876
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: pictures of what looked like a perfect tattoo of the

877
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: bowstring and the d loop on the web of his

878
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: left hand. So I can see how that knock point

879
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: would get in bed at have a little bit of

880
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: energy to get in there is then we got a

881
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: birthday tomorrow. Yeah, they got a lot of life left though,

882
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: that'll be fine. I don't like reward. I don't like

883
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: reward youth. Uh. I like to find people in the

884
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: autumn of their existence and try to make and try

885
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: to lavish the enjoyment on them. Oh, the get a

886
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: couple of different questions. One, you guys have a new

887
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: Oregon finally has a new established road kill law. That

888
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: that's something I've really failed to understand it all, is

889
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: how some states would have it be that you it

890
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: seems to be like a god given right that if

891
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: you were to run something over there, like you're driving

892
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: your car and you run something over that there, there

893
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: could be the possibility of an argument that you should

894
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: not be able to eat that thing, and the Lord

895
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: said it shall be delicious. It's just just like it's like,

896
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, No, we know you'd like to

897
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: go home and and and utilize it and eat it,

898
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: but it's very important to us that you let it

899
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: bloat on the side of the road, uh in a

900
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: in a track, flies and smell bad, and it's just

901
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: it's important us that that's what happens to that, dear.

902
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: I have as a conscientious objector. I have violated road

903
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: kill laws many times, and almost as did the other day.

904
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: But it happened to be the dead deer was in

905
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: my yard and I felt like I would be a

906
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: suspect and he had been hit real good. But so

907
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: Oregon has a new thing where you can go and

908
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: if people can file and get a permit for road kill,

909
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: and so since January they have I think since about

910
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: a week ago. Um, you guys, state has issued one

911
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven permits for deer and elk. So

912
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: that's pretty nice. We had to road kill sandwiches the

913
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: other day. You eating road kill sandwiches? Yeah? Oh dirt,

914
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: myth Dirt's dad Pop Dirt. He uh smack, you guys

915
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: know him, saw somebody else smack a deer right next

916
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: to their house and uh so he scooped it up

917
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: Apparently it was tougher than hell um and they pressure

918
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: cooked it, and uh, that's that's what eight. When we're

919
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: ice fishing the other day, he's a he's a thrifty dude. Dude,

920
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: we would usually limit like we would usually limit picking

921
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: up deer too, that someone you saw someone hit it,

922
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: or you like, are running somewhere real quick, and then

923
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: you run there real quick and there's no dead deer.

924
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: And then you're running back and there is and you

925
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: do all the math in your head and you realize,

926
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: are you on foot at this point? No, No, it

927
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: would be dry and dry like you like, you're like

928
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: I went to my buddies and then an hour later,

929
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, and you figure out the death of it

930
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: went on. We had we got an interesting stories from

931
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: two people are talking about like rules governing road kill,

932
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: and then they're kind of related. I didn't catch one

933
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: of these guys the state one of these guys is from.

934
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: But motorist in front of a gentleman hits the deer.

935
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: The deer is still alive in the road. That motorist

936
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 1: gets out and drags the he's still living deer out

937
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: of the road in departs. This guy happens to have

938
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: a concealed carry permit. He calls the police and says,

939
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: I have a deer here that a guy in front

940
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: of me hit. It's still alive. I have a pistol

941
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: with me. Um. I would like to keep the deer,

942
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: and I would like to be able to shoot the

943
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: deer because it's still alive. And they say, you cannot

944
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: shoot that deer. We will have an officer out in

945
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. So rather than so, he goes out and

946
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: strangles the deer because he doesn't want to break the law.

947
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: What about The next logical step is that if you

948
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: can't shoot it, strangle it. But that's where it's funny.

949
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: So then an officer shows up and it's and he says, well,

950
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: here's what happened, and the officer explains that he sure

951
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: is glad that he strangled it, because they sure as

952
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: hell wouldn't want to shoot it. A guy from Texas

953
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: wrote in a about this where he comes across an

954
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: accident where a deer has been hit and there's an

955
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: officer there observing the wounded deer. He gets out and

956
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: the officer explains that she does not feel right shooting

957
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: the deer. And would he hands him the service pistol. Yeah,

958
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: he wrote in about how strange he thought this was

959
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: shot twice in the air. Pop hands him the service pistol,

960
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 1: which he uses to dispatch the deer. One thing leads

961
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: to another, and eventually he has it tucked into his

962
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: pants as they're messing around, and it gets to a

963
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: part of the interaction where he pulls the pistol out

964
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: of his waistband and hands it back to the officer

965
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: and then goes about his business with his deer. That's

966
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: awful gangster of that guy. It's it's like very very gangster. Yeah.

967
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, my little sister is a cop. Right.

968
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a part of the gig. I

969
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: don't think they cover that in school. Oh it's Texas

970
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: cal Well. What was we talked recently another show? We

971
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: talked about, uh, what the most valuable thing you learned? Like,

972
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: what's the most valuable thing you learned from your father?

973
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: And I remember you were looking for a little clarity

974
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: as we discussed this, and you meant like in life

975
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: in general, or like hunting, fishing, outdoor type things. And

976
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: there's a there's a miss there because we should have

977
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: talked about as well, like what would be the most

978
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: valuable thing you learned from your mother? But I think

979
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: that guys get so like the whole father son thing

980
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: really can kind of take a person over. But what

981
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: was the most valuable thing you learned from your mom? Hunting? Fishing, outdoors, cooking?

982
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: You know, Yanna, you're taking this one. You had to

983
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: throw the cooking in there. Just helpful vacuum really from

984
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: my mother, you know, that's all she did. I'm kidding. Um, Well,

985
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: with dads, you're like, yeah, hunting, fishing, and then mom

986
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: is like hunting, fishing, cooking. So I just went on

987
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: step farther and said vacuuming. Oh yeah. But the deal is,

988
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: there's like a reality to it that all the guys like,

989
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: and it's hard to unpack. You can't unpack all the

990
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: nurture nature things that it just gets really complicated, But

991
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: just a reality that at a time, you know, all

992
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: the all the guys in my family participated in some

993
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: way in our media area, like all the guy participated

994
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: to some extent in hunting and fishing, and it just

995
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: so happens that virtually none of the women in my

996
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: family did not. Because I don't think it's because of

997
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: native proclivity, but just because of you create like a

998
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: cultural inertia. Yeah, and your mom did most of the

999
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: while game cooking right, other than it was a deep fried.

1000
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: My mom cooked it right, and my dad deep fried everything,

1001
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: but he kept the deep frier in the garage, so

1002
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: like made it almost more like it was almost more

1003
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: like mechanicckng. You know, you like go to the damn

1004
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: like you had to go to the garage to cook it.

1005
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: So he had made it his own right, must be clear.

1006
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: My dad vacuum the hell out of the rug like

1007
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: it was a good vacuum. Yeah. Back up every night, man,

1008
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. My mom would always tell me, like,

1009
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 1: you know, wash your hands, eat your vegetual stuff like that,

1010
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: so that was key. But beyond that, um, the same

1011
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: as you. My mom never never hunted. Never Uh she

1012
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: encouraged me to hunt. I don't know, you never meant

1013
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: my mom all Now I feel like doing a your

1014
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: mom was not encouraging, uh, encouragement. That would be a

1015
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: good when I'll give that to you. But my mom

1016
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: was accepting, not only accepting of the things that we did,

1017
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: but passionate about our passion, right, So there's a way

1018
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: to inject you know, it will be like this is

1019
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: my wife as well. There's a way to inject uh

1020
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: energy into something that you aren't passionate about by accepting it,

1021
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: promoting it, and understanding that. You know, all our wives,

1022
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: all our moms, understand that it's something that we are

1023
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: driven by. And they put no no blockades in front

1024
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: of us, no bearers in front of us. They take

1025
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: they help us push them down, right. So that's what

1026
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: my mom did for me, because although she wasn't out

1027
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,959
Speaker 1: there like my dad was, she was pushing down every

1028
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: area I had to go out and hunt. Everything she

1029
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: could do for me to make sure I was prepared

1030
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: to go. Everything she could do to make sure it

1031
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: was cooked when I got back. She was always pushing

1032
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: down those barriers to help us go outside. So I

1033
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: appreciate that that's good my mom um. My mom was

1034
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 1: pretty thrifty and the early hunting clothes that we had,

1035
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: my mom would buy wool and sew us wool suits

1036
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: to wear out hunting. She they had a garden and

1037
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: she would uh can so we had a canning room

1038
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: full all the glass jars lined up. She would can

1039
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: dear meat in the jars if we when we had

1040
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: brought home squirrels, she would help us get all the

1041
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: squirrels parted out, and then she would cram them in

1042
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: a crock pot and pour in cream and mushroom soup

1043
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: and cook them for us. She would roast ducks for us.

1044
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: She would on rainy cold days, she would drive us

1045
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: around to check our muskrat traps in her car. And

1046
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: it was all of this kind of like it was.

1047
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't glamorous, but it was all this like really

1048
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: supportive stuff where she recognized there was value in it.

1049
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: But to get a sense of so so I'm forty five,

1050
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: my dad was fifty when he had me. He was

1051
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,480
Speaker 1: born in She was quite a bit younger than him,

1052
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: but they were there was like a different time, and

1053
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: to get a sense of how dudes interacted, like like

1054
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: how men interacted with women, my father interacted my mother

1055
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: would be that my mother would go and like an

1056
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: anecdote that explains sort of that relationship and how opportunities

1057
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: my mother would on Thanksgiving would like get a turk,

1058
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: not not shoot a turkey, but we would always cook

1059
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: a store about turk on Thanksgiving. So they're frozen in

1060
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: this big damn plastic bag, you know, and she would

1061
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: thaw the thing out in tub of water. She'd get

1062
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: the or the giblets out and boil the giblets and

1063
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: make all this stuff season the bird, stuff the bird,

1064
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 1: rolls the bird, do everything. That's all the work. Guys

1065
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: all day would do nothing to help, and then it

1066
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: would be done, and my dad would make this big

1067
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: show of carving the bird. It'd be like, now, now,

1068
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: little miss, we all know where your talents and uh,

1069
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: did you see this? Yeah, I will u cut its

1070
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: leg off because that that's beyond you. And like she

1071
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: would just allow this kind of stuff to happen. That's

1072
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: a perfect analogy for like how we think about our

1073
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 1: dads and our moms when it comes to hunting or

1074
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: anything outside really, you know, and traditionally it's true that

1075
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: we don't give him credit. Yeah, we build our fathers

1076
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: up as these great figures. And we talked about I

1077
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: talked about my dad all the time, like taking you

1078
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: out anything your mom, Like my mom would buy and

1079
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: stitch us will hunting clothes and she doesn't get to

1080
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: make it into a story. Sorry, moms. Road man, I

1081
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: gotta tell you I grew up a little different. We know,

1082
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: cal Hey tell counterfeits, Mike, is that on past tensing?

1083
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: Let me see your thing? Thanks? You get a hanging thing.

1084
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: I'll look at this. Yeah, friends, help, thank you? Selling

1085
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: all right here here here, Hello, I don't want to

1086
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: hello my friends. Hello. Alright. So my mom would be

1087
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,759
Speaker 1: out like crawling around on her hands and knees catching

1088
01:10:49,800 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: grasshoppers so we could go fish time and fanatical fisher him.

1089
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: She super obsessive about fishing. Her mom. My grandma's the

1090
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: exact same way. Um, grandma never threw a fish back

1091
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: in the river in her entire life. Encouragement from that

1092
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: lady like you wanna believe I have a picture sheet? Uh?

1093
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn how to fly fish at eighty

1094
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: nine years old. She called me up and was like,

1095
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: you need to drive up here and teach me how

1096
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: to fly fish. And I said, yeah, no problem, I'll

1097
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: be up you know in July. She said, Ryan, I'm

1098
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: eighty nine. You gotta come up here this weekend, which

1099
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: was an eight hour drive. But I did it. And

1100
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: she had an oxygen tank on her back and she

1101
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: had it turned off. This woman's got one long uh,

1102
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: so she could preserve her oxygen so she could prolong

1103
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: her fishing. Uh I was holding on to I was like, well,

1104
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: you gotta cast a little bit further. You gotta cast

1105
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: a little bit further. And she waded into the river

1106
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: and I had to grab her by basically her pants

1107
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: and her underwear, which was not the most comfortable thing

1108
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: for the grandson, UM, to prevent her from falling into

1109
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: the river. And uh I copped one big fish that day,

1110
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: and uh, I have this great picture that I think

1111
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: my mom got as I released this big brown trout

1112
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: into the river. Her face was like torture and her

1113
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:51,440
Speaker 1: hands were out like this and she's going no. Uh

1114
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:58,560
Speaker 1: So those women, uh were absolutely vital. And my enjoyment

1115
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: of the outdoors lots of encouragement, and some of my

1116
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: absolute first outdoor memories were because of those two gals. Yanni,

1117
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: you have to have a good one, Janni, because your

1118
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: least tolerant of your my jokes. Oh I got I

1119
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: got a lot to bring to the table for this one, Um.

1120
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 1: And to be clear, I hope nobody takes that damn.

1121
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: I was making a joke on a bad joke about

1122
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: the vacuum, So please yeah, you were doing me you all.

1123
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: I think you say you tell me that you know

1124
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: me better than nothing. The reaction I got there on

1125
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: that one. So you were like, you were uh parodying

1126
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: thank you you you were parodying uh Tucker Carlson impression.

1127
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. You gotta keep up

1128
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: on your current events. Go ahead, what's tell tell us

1129
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: about your mom? He's he's a hunter angler. Yeah, he's

1130
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: gotta have a lot more time to do that. I

1131
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: want what's interesting, because I want I went to an event.

1132
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: I went to an event one time at t RCP

1133
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: event and the m c s who are friends. Surprisingly

1134
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: it was m seed by Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow

1135
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: who are friends and both like the fish. I'm not joking.

1136
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: Go ahead, ni um. This is a tough one because

1137
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: you know how much I love my mom. Do a

1138
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: year my joke to Yanni. I one time did a

1139
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: year my joke Yanni, and he told me the next

1140
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: time I did that, I was gonna see a blinding

1141
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 1: flash of silver from his power ring and that would

1142
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: be the last thing I ever saw, not ever, just

1143
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: for the yeah, at that moment, it would go black

1144
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 1: after that uma when it comes to I'll make a

1145
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: brief when it comes to hunting and fishing, I really

1146
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: can't remember anything that she specifically would have taught me

1147
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: that would relate to the outdoors. I mean, she certainly

1148
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 1: she encouraged us, and she took us to boy Scouts

1149
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But earlier, when we were hanging out, um,

1150
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: before the big crowd got here, um, somebody asked us

1151
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: about like what we learned from our our our dad's

1152
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: was that what the question was? Yeah, okay, And so

1153
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 1: I was saying about my dad at times it felt

1154
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: like he worked as like little child slaves, and but

1155
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: from that I got a good work ethic out of

1156
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: the deal. Right. Well, I think my mom was like

1157
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: definitely the yang to that yang where she didn't really

1158
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: like hammer on us that at all, but she just

1159
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: like whatever we did, no matter how bad we were,

1160
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 1: and we were bad at times, like really really bad,

1161
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: like drove her batty and and two tears often, I think,

1162
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: but she always accepted us and always loved us, and

1163
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: I think over the years it just taught she The

1164
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 1: biggest thing that she taught me to always just like

1165
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 1: to love, like no matter how bad someone can be

1166
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: or do something wrong, and just to always like just

1167
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: be like that's that's fine, and just continue to love

1168
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: and try to, you know, keep your heart open, not

1169
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: get down on people. And what's that got to do

1170
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: with hunting and fishing? What does it have to do

1171
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: with hunting and fishing? Keep your heart open, keep your

1172
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: heart open? Is Janice has headed down in two or

1173
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: three days, he's driving down for his mother's surprise birthday

1174
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: party Denver, Colorado. Is she gonna listen to this? You think?

1175
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: You know, there's the thing I wanted to like a

1176
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: long air we've made where you know, we're always talking

1177
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: about writers, and someone was he's written a couple of

1178
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,560
Speaker 1: times about this. We're saying that we do Patrick McManus

1179
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:57,799
Speaker 1: a great disservice by not celebrating Patrick mumanus. Another person

1180
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: wrote in where he was observing, how we use we

1181
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: mean the people on this year program, well use sometimes

1182
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: creek and sometimes creek. Now I want to combine these

1183
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:19,560
Speaker 1: two things because Patrick McManus has the best working definition

1184
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: of what the difference between a creek and a creek is.

1185
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: He observed that if you can find a spare tire

1186
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: in it somewhere it's a creek. In the absence of tires,

1187
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: it becomes a creek, which I feel works well. So

1188
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 1: there we've taken care of the Patrick McManus problem, and

1189
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: I've explained how you can tell a creek from a creek.

1190
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: There's a question that that that we've wrestled with before.

1191
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,440
Speaker 1: I want I want to get to it once is, uh,

1192
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: how do you get rid of hunting or fishing partner?

1193
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: And how do you do it? When do you do it?

1194
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: And have you done it? And he points to someone

1195
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: that the reason I bumped this question up in the

1196
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: list because I was reading something from someone who got

1197
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: kind of screwed real bad. Where they had There's a

1198
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,799
Speaker 1: group of guys and they got some little uh public

1199
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: land hidie holes for ducks that they like to hunt,

1200
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: um that they aren't really well known, and they got

1201
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: some private land spots they like to hunt, and they

1202
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: got they took a buddy of theirs out and not

1203
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: only did the buddy then wound up guiding on those spots,

1204
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: but uses pictures from the day they took him to

1205
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: those spots on his website and he goes, he still

1206
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: wants to hunt with us, Should we let him but

1207
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: have you Yeah, how do you like? Have you ever

1208
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 1: had to go through the awkward and awkward breakup, an

1209
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: awkward hunting and fishing break up, No it's not you,

1210
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: it's me kind of thing. Yeah, No, I've never had too.

1211
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: I've always said pretty, you know, pretty good relationship with

1212
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: hunting partners. You never had to end one, never won.

1213
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: I've had some people that I thought it were dicks

1214
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: that I never would have partnered up with. Is generally

1215
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: avoided from the get go, from the get go. Yeah,

1216
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 1: you gotta be a good judge of character. I imagine

1217
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: I got nothing. Man, I've solved this through a couple

1218
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: of long walks. Uh and then there's just no more asking.

1219
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: They call that a disciplinary hike, and uh yeah, there's

1220
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: been a a couple of just real straightforward like listen,

1221
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: it's just it's not gonna work out. Yeah, that I

1222
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: can think of. I don't want to get into specific

1223
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: because I don't want to because none of them are dead. Um,

1224
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: but I've never done like I've never had. I've I've

1225
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: never been a situation where you had to be articulated,

1226
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: meaning that if it if it wasn't a good match,

1227
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: if the compatibility was bad. It would just you could.

1228
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: I think that both parties would feel it. I've never

1229
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: had where I'm like, man, I will never go somewhere

1230
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: with this guy again, and then had him still want

1231
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: to go somewhere, Like I think that that I'm maybe

1232
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm not transparent about it, but I've had it, and

1233
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: we would even talk about we would even have a

1234
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: word for it, where me and my main crew we

1235
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: would say that someone had been o t CED, meaning

1236
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: they were out of the club, and it just people

1237
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: get OLTC. But you would never like notify someone. You

1238
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: just would stop inviting them. I thought maybe you throw

1239
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: them over a counter or something. No, not over the counter.

1240
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: All college days though, right, it's like big mixing pot

1241
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: of folks and you know you're at a party and

1242
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh I like to hunt. I like to hunt.

1243
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: I had a couple of ones there it was like whoa, hey,

1244
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: I didn't get the call, Like, yeah, it's interesting that

1245
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: you brought that up. You're always late, you never pay

1246
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: for gas, you have no spots, you are out of

1247
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: the club. But the fellow that wrote in, I mean

1248
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 1: he's very clear, just like no way. Yeah, that feels egregious.

1249
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: The times when I've when I've broken up with someone,

1250
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: it would become it would be where they're where there

1251
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: came to be a like an incongruity or like like

1252
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: a lack of consistency about how open I was being

1253
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: with where we're going, and then whether or not that

1254
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 1: would be like reciprocated where I would be like I

1255
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: would go like, I'll take you to go check out

1256
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: this spot, and then you'd be like, hey, you know

1257
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: how you guys were getting into some you know whatever

1258
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: the other day, Where were you guys exactly? And they

1259
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to divulge. And that always I felt like

1260
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: like the minute you open it up and offer someone

1261
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 1: take someone or give someone a spot, that there's like

1262
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: a thing that there's like a understanding most people have

1263
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: that that would be reciprocated. I'm starting to think, now,

1264
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: did anybody ever break up with me and I didn't

1265
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: know it. I'm open to the idea that it's happened

1266
01:22:55,120 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: to me. We haven't hunting together lately. Right now, I

1267
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: think I have to finish it off with the fact

1268
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: to say that it's like a very as they call them,

1269
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: first world problems, or it's like a luxury problem to

1270
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: have to be thinking about getting rid of hunting partners,

1271
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people that don't can't

1272
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: find a single good hunting partner at all, you know,

1273
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: So I think talking about like picking the best ones

1274
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 1: is very luxury to be thinking that way. You know,

1275
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people just came and find one to

1276
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: go out there. So you should just open your heart

1277
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: and keep loving the one that was good. That was good. Oh,

1278
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: that was good. I almost want to end. I almost

1279
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: want to end the show on that. But there's two

1280
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: more things I want to talk about. Uh. One thing

1281
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: it's interesting is there's an article that recently came out

1282
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: and it was about how wolves returning to Oregon in Washington,

1283
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: like what that would mean for deer hunters and what

1284
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: that means for deer. And an interesting study came out

1285
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: of University of Washington where in the press they found

1286
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: that in the it gets kind of interesting about mule

1287
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: deer and white tailed deer looks at multies and white tails.

1288
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: They find that they didn't put it this way. This

1289
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: is why I look at it would be no, no,

1290
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not. That's not a loaded sentence that

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01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: in the presence of wolves, mule deer become like more

1292
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: like mule deer, and in the presence of wolves, white

1293
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: tails become more like white tails, meaning that as mule

1294
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: deer face predation from wolves, they will sometimes shift their

1295
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: areas where they hang out by miles intend to go

1296
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: into rockier, steeper country then where they would like to

1297
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: be in the absence of wolves facebook predation by wolves.

1298
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: White tailed deer conversely get or white tail ish and

1299
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: want to go out into flatter, more open country. One

1300
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: of the things they attribute this too is you're familiar

1301
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: with I'll give you I'm gonna hit you boys with

1302
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: some trivia. What do you call the way a mule

1303
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: deer runs by his bounce, his bounce stopped, stopped, they

1304
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: stopped and stotting um gives them ability to jump and

1305
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: navigate through very broken, rough terrain. And it seems that

1306
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they find that they can evade wolves

1307
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: better up in the nasty stink. White tails want to

1308
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: get downward. They can run long distances, faster and seymour.

1309
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: And to put a little bit of a negative on it,

1310
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: they say that it mule deer and the presence of

1311
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 1: wolves move into areas where they're more likely to get

1312
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: preyed upon by mountain Lions and deer move white tails

1313
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 1: move into areas where they're more likely to get smacked

1314
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: by a car and then shot by a driver borrowing

1315
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: the service pistol of of reluctant officer. They also gave

1316
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: some some credence to a thing where and and they're

1317
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 1: looking at it. It's like hunters red like as wolves

1318
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 1: move in and colonize more and more areas all time,

1319
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: hunters get oftentimes get a sense of that there's been

1320
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: a great decline in game numbers, and they open up

1321
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 1: the question in here that maybe as much as anything,

1322
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: people are realizing that that where they go to traditionally

1323
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: find game isn't paying off. The assumption is that it's gone,

1324
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: when in fact it might be radically redistributed, and that

1325
01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: they're not seeing. You know what, I got a thing

1326
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: for you. A friend of mine, former friend of mine.

1327
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: He didn't get ourtc. We just lost touch. The writer

1328
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 1: Chris off It, I wrote a book about his family,

1329
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: to which his family took great offense, and he said,

1330
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: you know what, write your home book. So I'm recapping.

1331
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm recapping the work I thought I was pretty clear.

1332
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm explaining something that someone worked on. He finds that

1333
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: where was I the redistribution of game. Yeah, that there's

1334
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: a redistribution of game, and they're finding more so than

1335
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: an overall decline. But where it gets interesting is that

1336
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: the recap of it, like it touches on the eye idea.

1337
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: How ranchers have found that even though cattle are not

1338
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: getting killed necessarily, in some cases, they are not gaining

1339
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: weight is fast because they're dealing with so much added stress.

1340
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: And so you might not see high mortality just from predation,

1341
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 1: but the fact of being displaced and added stress could

1342
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: open animals up to higher mortality from other causes. It's

1343
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: a little something, just just a short, short, little son

1344
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: short prief uh. Before we get into the last thing,

1345
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. What is one um? What

1346
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: is one thing you cook? Talk about one thing you

1347
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 1: cook that you feel like everybody should know about. Hurt

1348
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: sam which is on Yeah, man, heart sandwiches. I stalk

1349
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: pile my hearts and my tongues. But like a medium

1350
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:13,719
Speaker 1: rare heart sandwich that you know, the consistency of heart

1351
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: is perfect for a sandwich because you can cook and

1352
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,759
Speaker 1: intact piece of meat. You don't have to like grind

1353
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: it up or slice it. And it's got bite, but

1354
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: no like pull to the bite. You know, it's not

1355
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 1: like a tough chunk of meat. You know that's pretty

1356
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 1: good man. That's like that's a great t shirt. It's

1357
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: got bite, but no pull to the bite. If if

1358
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: you know what that means, I will listen to what

1359
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: you have to say. It's true, it's got bite, there's

1360
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: no pull to the bite. Hurt sand dost sandos? How

1361
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 1: do you cook her? I met a guy that was

1362
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: big in the heart sandwich is one time. I think

1363
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 1: it was in the state of New Hampshire. He'd like

1364
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 1: to cook his in tomato juice in a crock pot.

1365
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: For whatever reason. Dudes with people with crock pots the

1366
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: whole cream and like you know people with crocot it

1367
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: comes with a can of soup. Yeah yeah yeah. So

1368
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 1: uh typically like my preparation right, like I'll get my

1369
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 1: heart out, cut it open, lay it out, clean her

1370
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: all up. I was gonna make an open heart sandwich joke.

1371
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: I thought that was heard sandwich. Your dad just had

1372
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: open heart sandwiches. It was a success. Uh, olive oil,

1373
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: salt and pepper, let its sit, you know, mix her

1374
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: up in a ball, let's sit and then uh like

1375
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 1: kapra say style like basil mozzarella, tomato uh mao, and

1376
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: garlic butter on the bun like facaccia bun. And then uh,

1377
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 1: throw that heart on the grill, hot grill, medium rare

1378
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: on the sandough, not sliced all thin. Because what's nice

1379
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: about the heart is you can literally, like if you

1380
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: wanted to, you can put the heart on top of

1381
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: your bun and cut out the outline of the bun,

1382
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: making it like a perfect meat to bread ratio. You're

1383
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 1: going a whole heart, no, not a hole. No, and

1384
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: it's a laid open Isn't that waste full of the

1385
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 1: remember the open your heart Joe open heart sandwich. But nights,

1386
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to track make sure I'm yeah, well

1387
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: I'll make them. I got a pile of hearts. Uh,

1388
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 1: go ahead and get you guys ready, because I can

1389
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 1: hit mine, no, hit yours, hit heres. I'm still thinking

1390
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: my foodding that I wish everybody knew about all You

1391
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: cannot go because you'll have something great. Oh no, mind's

1392
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: not great. No, it's not great. Okay, go ahead, everybody,

1393
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:06,600
Speaker 1: knew about it. No, if it's not great, go for it.

1394
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to wait. Uh, I'm gonna do a

1395
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: lot dry agent lately. And because of that, the cuts

1396
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: in the on the highend leg that you might normally

1397
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: roast or you might normally put in a stew or something.

1398
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 1: I've been trying to, you know, smoke. We smoked in

1399
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 1: the office the other day, smoked the acoust der hind

1400
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 1: leg and just took the rounds and and everything just

1401
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: made steak. Just smoke and slice them thin. It was great.

1402
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 1: But I've discovered, especially on the elk, the eye of

1403
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: round is like this beautiful hidden tender loin that just

1404
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 1: sits inside of that back leg. So whether you age

1405
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: it or not, you ought to be searing, like probably

1406
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: reverse searing that I have around, just like it's a

1407
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: tender loin. Man, it's delicious. Don't forget about it. A

1408
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 1: lot of people forget about doing that. I love it

1409
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: around the eye of round. Someone was asking and I

1410
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: can't have found a good answer. They don't like when

1411
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 1: they age venison and you cut the rind off, they

1412
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: feel wasteful, Yeah, discarding the rind and there's I don't

1413
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: I discard it. It's also occurred to me I feel

1414
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: like someone to make a good contribution to wild game

1415
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: cuisine should notify the rest of us about a good

1416
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: use for the rind. Once it's trimmed off. Cow feels

1417
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: dog treats his That's a great when cow feels strongly

1418
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't need it, right, I mean you feel

1419
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: like that. It's to go back to a point you

1420
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: made earlier. I I mean, I ate some in the

1421
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: office the other day. Just try it. That's me dealing

1422
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: with my own health. I'm not gonna recommend. Yeah, I know,

1423
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: I understand's got a lot of problems, guys. Yeah, he's

1424
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: working on them. But you know, white mold. We were

1425
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 1: white mold on salami and stuff like that all the time.

1426
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: So um, you know how he's dogging earlier on chefs

1427
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: and how pert snicky they are about food safety. A

1428
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: chef buddy mind if it's not black and fuzzy, he

1429
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: doesn't pay any attention to it. He doesn't like black

1430
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,600
Speaker 1: fuzzy mold. But other than that, uh, did you know

1431
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: what's hanging to my garage? I have that? Yeah, I

1432
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: did see that. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm waiting for that

1433
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: thing to become all rind. When it's rind all the

1434
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 1: way through, I'm gonna cook it as it's just it's

1435
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: just a team has like hanging from a hook above

1436
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: his work bench. What is basically at this point a

1437
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: desiccated deer leg. No, it's it's all cleaned, all it's

1438
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 1: been eating except for the shank. But it looks as

1439
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: if like the dog snagged it off the highway and

1440
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: drug it into the house. I have a plane to

1441
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do with that thing. I just called

1442
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: Sean Brock's name. He's a good dude. I'm like, I

1443
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 1: didn't like this guy first. I'm starting like my one

1444
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: because this comes into where, uh my thing I wish

1445
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 1: everybody knew about is are you good on yours? I'm

1446
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: pretty good? Are you good? I'm good? Are we good together? Okay? Duck?

1447
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: It's like to take a puddle duck and pluck the

1448
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: duck and you cut off where you have the breast

1449
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: flay is boneless, and the back leg is bone in,

1450
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:27,719
Speaker 1: and the back leg is connected to the breast flay

1451
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 1: by the skin. You can see how to do this

1452
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,759
Speaker 1: in the mediator fishing game. Cookbook, which is available everywhere

1453
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: books are sold, and you take it and then you

1454
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:45,720
Speaker 1: score the skin both ways so that you wind up

1455
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: with little centimeter squares of skin. Score it with a

1456
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 1: sharp knife. Then you turn your oven on four degrees,

1457
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: and once it's good and hot, you get a super

1458
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 1: hot skillet and lay the thing skin down on this

1459
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: lightly oiled super hot skillet. It's skin down on there

1460
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: until it's the skin pucker's up and all the little

1461
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 1: squares are puckered and crispy brown, and then you flipped

1462
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 1: it back, skin up and stick in your oven for

1463
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 1: six or eight minutes until it's very rare on the inside,

1464
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: cooked on the outside. Slice that son of a bit thin,

1465
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: serve it with chutney, and then let your children chew

1466
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: the drumstick that it's key that they're the way to

1467
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: eat duck. That's how you eat duck. And that's what

1468
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: I tell him. I'm like, that's how you eat duck.

1469
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Your kids they love the bones. Why do they love

1470
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: the bones so much? My kids always say, I'm saying,

1471
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: we're what are they having tonight? Said? Helk me to

1472
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 1: the kind of the bones in it? And no, that

1473
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: does not help me, Like all they want on his

1474
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 1: ribs these days, or little duck legs too. I guess

1475
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: mine right now would be the one I wish everybody

1476
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: knew about would be. Um, it's I'm gonna start with

1477
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: turkey pot pie, which I use turkey drumsticks and thighs

1478
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: to make. But just is, see, this is seasonal. You're

1479
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: doing great, this is seasonal. Thank you, But just braisen

1480
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 1: down sighs and legs off of turkey. I still hear

1481
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: so many people talking about, oh, just pop the breast

1482
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: and you know, leave the rest out there. And man,

1483
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: you like to double your yield by taking out those

1484
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, legs and thighs and then, uh, we've been

1485
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: doing now is free braising them. On the weekend, when

1486
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: I've got some time, I'll do just a whole crock

1487
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: pot full, cook them all day long, pick it all apart.

1488
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 1: My wife really likes it if I take all the

1489
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: tendons and the little extra stuff that didn't the jello

1490
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,639
Speaker 1: that didn't quite melt down and disappear. All that stuff

1491
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: needs to speak go on, and then we package it

1492
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: in you know, half pound back seal bags super thin

1493
01:37:58,280 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 1: that way. And anytime I want to make a turkey

1494
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 1: pot pie, or we do um like Carneta's with them

1495
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 1: soft shell taco kind of deals. Um what else will

1496
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: make a quick like chicken noodle or not chicken turkey

1497
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 1: noodle soup? Um, just take some chicken stocks and noodles,

1498
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: some veggies throwing a package of that and got this

1499
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 1: awesome soup that um you know you get that super

1500
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 1: great wild dark meat flavor out of it. So um. Yeah,

1501
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 1: That's what I want everybody to know about, is that

1502
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: meat is awesome. You just gotta cook it right. And

1503
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 1: uh then if you want to go net next levels,

1504
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 1: make that turkey pop pie because that's a real crowd pleaser.

1505
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: Where can they find that one? Just joke? If they

1506
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,680
Speaker 1: came up with you guess hip to this whole thing

1507
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: with lab grown cultured meat? Oh yeah yeah. People keep

1508
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 1: asking like, dude, if they come up with lab grown

1509
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 1: cultured meat, will you stop hunting? Look? What the hell?

1510
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 1: Like I did stop hunting? I didn't stop hunting when

1511
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: they came up with People didn't stop hunting when they

1512
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 1: came up with fire meat. No, why the hell would

1513
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: you quit for that? No? Negative, Feel free to boo

1514
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 1: everybody about that idea. It doesn't sound appetizing. No, I'm

1515
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 1: SKINNI sho of it, man, I'm skinnish to lab grown meat.

1516
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: And also it's like the whole thing about it is,

1517
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 1: it's what you're striving for in my mind, is like

1518
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 1: that that visceral hands on experience, you know, And that

1519
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 1: seems to me like running in the exact opposite direction.

1520
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: I do like, I don't care about I hope other

1521
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: people really did get to really love it, But no, man,

1522
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't have any bearing. Yeah. Oh, you

1523
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 1: know what's funny about that. My wife sent me an article.

1524
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap We're gonna wrap it up in a

1525
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 1: second year. My wife sent me an article and it

1526
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: was someone some magazine has done an article about how

1527
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: all hipsters look the same. And there's a there's a picture.

1528
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:08,640
Speaker 1: They use a picture of a hipster on it and

1529
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: the guy writes in he says, that's me in the picture,

1530
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 1: and I'm suing you guys, And then they go and

1531
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 1: do research on the image and it turns out it's

1532
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:24,599
Speaker 1: not him. All right, So we got yanna. You you're

1533
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 1: gonna do, You're gonna do the things. Man. Um, We've

1534
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 1: got some presents for birthday gaps. Then we got quick

1535
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 1: a conclud conclud. I was thinking about like factory meets,

1536
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: you know, like meat to cultured meats, and anybody ever

1537
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: had like a stake um something like that stake um.

1538
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 1: But like, I feel like there's so much stuff worse

1539
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 1: already out there that you can get him McDonald's. That's

1540
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 1: that's that meat Mick ribb meet growing in the lab

1541
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: would be better for me than a Mick rib I

1542
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 1: just want to put that out there. They paint the

1543
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 1: grill marks out so like I don't have as much

1544
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 1: problem with that as I do. I think I feel

1545
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 1: like if you get McDonald's, you just have to eat

1546
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 1: it like in an alley, so you feel bad about what.

1547
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 1: I feel strongly about that. So I think, man, if

1548
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 1: they would be on the right track if you could

1549
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: literally like grow you could get like a kit and

1550
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: grow the meat like in your garden, right, Like I

1551
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: feel like you grow your own meat and then you

1552
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 1: at least have a sense of satisfaction of like, how's

1553
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 1: that burger? You like that? I used to be like

1554
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: che a pet style or on your counter growed out.

1555
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: But if if it's just like another series of somebody

1556
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: buying anonymous stuff that they have no connection to. It's like,

1557
01:41:56,200 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 1: what is this step forward or step back? What are

1558
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 1: you growing in your green house? We have tea bones

1559
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 1: in le filets. Yeah, I pulled that off the burger tree.

1560
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: You like that? Do you are? You asked? Oh, you

1561
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: got a concluder that you did that constantly? Was that

1562
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: your guys concluders? Yeah? I feel comfortable. I have a

1563
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: concluding question and then we'll see because that we get

1564
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 1: versions of this, but not this one. Is there every

1565
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: we always get asked like what animal we'd love to hunt?

1566
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 1: What animals hunt for the rest of our days? What

1567
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,719
Speaker 1: animal have we not hunted yet? But what's the animal

1568
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: that you have not eaten yet that you would like

1569
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: to eat? Oh, that you're curious about? Yeah, we're working

1570
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,560
Speaker 1: on a deal where we got a badger. Uh on

1571
01:42:52,640 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: the ground, sasqua, sasquash. Sasquash should have like nice backstraps, Yeah,

1572
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: probably nice eye Round two? Next I round try sasquats.

1573
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: We got a badger. We're gonna do a thing where

1574
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to eat a badgers. So I can't

1575
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: I'll say that promotional purposes. Uh, well, I guess all

1576
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 1: of it. Um, I'm curious about it all. But I

1577
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:26,760
Speaker 1: just had, uh was hanging out and ice fishing with

1578
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: a state trapper in Montana and uh, I had just

1579
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: been cooking up some Mounta Lion with a friend of

1580
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 1: mine and he was like, well, yeah, what do you

1581
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: think about Bobcat? And so well, I've never eaten Bobcat

1582
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, it tastes like piss. So now

1583
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 1: I really why a Bobcat could somehow it tastes different

1584
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:58,599
Speaker 1: than a Mounta lion. Mountlin is delicious um and an

1585
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 1: absolute treat to have in the freezer. Um. So now

1586
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 1: I've kind of feel like I need to try some Bobcat.

1587
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 1: And dude, do the Pepsi Challenge triangle test triangle test. Yeah, Uh,

1588
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:17,639
Speaker 1: for me, it would be a this is a little

1589
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 1: bit tricky because there's a fish I really like, like

1590
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 1: black codon, But it would be a I want to

1591
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 1: find out what a black cob that I caught taste like.

1592
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 1: That is tricky, which is tricky, which is very tricky.

1593
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: But I'm striving for that. I'm and I'm hoping to

1594
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 1: hit that this summer. That's my concluder. Now, well, you

1595
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 1: got some chores you need to do. Yeah, two things.

1596
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:45,720
Speaker 1: Two things. One you canna help me out though with

1597
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 1: the merch table. What do we what do we got

1598
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 1: left out there? Well? We have so we have the

1599
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:57,639
Speaker 1: show only, the live show only, Steam Breathing Turkey, How

1600
01:44:57,640 --> 01:44:59,919
Speaker 1: to go to Deer Bandana, how to go to Janni's,

1601
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 1: how to go to Dear Bandanna Col's Smells Now Lady

1602
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: T shirt. I must comment that I, for the first

1603
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:08,680
Speaker 1: time I saw a guy wearing one, and it is

1604
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: a little bit creepy because but in like the best

1605
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 1: way possible, because I think that someone might see that,

1606
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 1: and they might not. I think that that's something that

1607
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 1: someone shouted during a grizzly bear attack. It might have

1608
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,839
Speaker 1: been something that they overheard in a dark alley somewhere,

1609
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 1: something somehow in Las Vegas late night. It's a confusing shirt.

1610
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 1: The young lady that was, the young lady that's running

1611
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 1: the merged table probably not a hunter. The look she

1612
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 1: had when she was reading the text of that shirt.

1613
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I wish I could, I wish I could. Was very impressed. Yes, yeah,

1614
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 1: and she said, man, whoever would wear a shirt like

1615
01:45:54,840 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 1: this would be a sexy, beautiful human being. But hear

1616
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:04,599
Speaker 1: the words I heard, big Open Heart. Yes, we also

1617
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:11,480
Speaker 1: have uh th HC, the Hunting Collective. I was concerning

1618
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: to me that we're calling it Gosh, guys, this is

1619
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 1: the podcast that I have, and it's concerning that we're

1620
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 1: starting to call it th C. But if we're gonna

1621
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 1: call it t j C, I think we should start

1622
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 1: selling gummy bears. I heard real quick. Uh. What I

1623
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 1: heard from a guy is they don't understand this, but

1624
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 1: now we're talking about packing a full stadium of dip big.

1625
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 1: He said, there's a thing they do which means just

1626
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: so everybody's on board, which means that you take enough

1627
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: to fill up your whole upper gun and you're a

1628
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:48,559
Speaker 1: whole lower gun because you can you can run like

1629
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: you can run an upper decker, which is which is

1630
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 1: or a horse shoe. You can run a horse shoe

1631
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: or upper decker. You can run a horse shoe lower decker.

1632
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 1: But when you run both, or shoot upper and lower decker,

1633
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 1: it becomes a full stadium. But apparently the youngsters these

1634
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 1: days are taking where they're running up the running the

1635
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: full stadium of gummy bears while doing tequila shots. Oh yeah,

1636
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 1: And a guy was talking about having this happen, and

1637
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 1: then all of sudden had to throw up and got

1638
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 1: so bogged up in his mouth that he threw up

1639
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: out his nose, so it's like, and he rode into

1640
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 1: the meteor website. For some reason, he wrote us about this.

1641
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 1: We're very for some very trusting. You wouldn't tell anybody

1642
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:42,680
Speaker 1: about it? And do I have a problem, you know,

1643
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: I'd have to go revisit it. I don't think there

1644
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:46,720
Speaker 1: was a problem, like I was pouring over my on

1645
01:47:47,080 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 1: X and then please don't tell anyone about this, all right, guys.

1646
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 1: Prof f