1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: I put it. I've been putting these in. If we 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: just go to twenty twenty six, we'll do Fort Blunder, 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: and then the political body doubles. Yeah there, just go 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: to twenty tweets. Yeah, yeah, it's about Yeah, I could 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: do all right, Fellow Ridiculous Historians, we are back with 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: this week's classic episode, Everybody fondly remembers the War of 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: eighteen twelve. 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what a time, What a time to be alive? 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: What a time. It's no eighteen eleven, but we'll keep it. 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: This is this is a crazy one better, it's one better. 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: It's what what could be better than? Eighteen eleven? Eighteen 12 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: twelve war side. This is one of our favorite kind 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: of genre of ridiculous history, because it's about when very 14 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: powerful militaries do stuff in an incredibly dumb way. 15 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: Oh boy, did they ever? I think the title says 16 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: it all. 17 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: Fort Blunder, the US fort mistakenly built in Canada. 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: Let's roll it to me. 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 20 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. This episode is about a hilarious mistake, 21 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: a goof a doof a whoopsie, a blunder. My name 22 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: is Ben A blender, A blending of blunders, perhaps. 23 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, a blending of blunders that on first blush seems 24 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: a little unremarkable. But no, sir, No, sir, was not 25 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: unremarkable because it has to do with borders. We've been 26 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: doing a little border theme lately. But we had that 27 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: war between what was it, Ohio and a mission into war. 28 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 3: They had that no man's land where no man knew 29 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: who it belonged to because of a poor mapping and 30 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: just poor what speculation right or cartography? Cartography, that's the word, Ben. 31 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: Such is the case in today's episode where the US 32 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: accidentally built a military based on the wrong side of 33 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: the US Canada border spoiler alert. 34 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: But there's more to it than that, isn't there. 35 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: So in eighteen sixteen it became a big deal that 36 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: we protect our border with Canada. 37 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: Why, you might ask, why is that? No, I'll tell 38 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: you why, Ben, You think we think. 39 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: Of Canada as our mellow you know, stoner neighbors to 40 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 3: the north. 41 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's one time I don't completely agree 42 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: with this. One time a friend of mine referred to 43 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: Canada as diet America, and I said, why is that 44 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: And they said, well, it's a little better for you, 45 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know nothing about the diet 46 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: soda game man watching out of this analogy, Oh, we 47 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: should give a shout out to our guest super producer 48 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: Paul Mission Controlled decand. 49 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 2: He's like our Canada. 50 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: He actually he and he is our Canada. He and 51 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: super producer Casey Begram are very good friends outside of 52 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: the show. The American version of Casey. 53 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: It's funny Casey. He has his second life in Paris, 54 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: France as LaBouche, but occasionally he carries on a third 55 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: life as a logger in French Canada also goes by 56 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: the moniker. 57 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: LaBouche wears a slightly different outfit. 58 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: Much more of a plaid flannel lumberjack flannel situation. And yeah, 59 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: and he has an unstoppable force in the logging industry 60 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: and it. 61 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: All ties into his Parisian criminal empire, which we should 62 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: save for its own episode. I think we should because 63 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: boundaries are important. 64 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 65 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: Speaking of boundaries, so we're talking about Canada. We think 66 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: of them as as our friends, which they are, but 67 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: at the time, I mean, there's still what what would 68 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: you call them then? A territory of the United Kingdom, Like, 69 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 3: how are they connected to the United Kingdom. 70 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is that the British use Canadian land 71 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: as a taking off point for invasions. So during both 72 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: the American Revolutionary War and again in the War of 73 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: eighteen twelve, British forces launch invasions down Lake Champlain with 74 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: hopes of cutting America in two. And so the Madison 75 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: administration says, this is a weak point, this cannot be happening. 76 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: We have to do something. Rum pump, something must be done. 77 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: We need a sick fortress, we need a dope a fortress. 78 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: That's the best solution. So they construct a modern, heavy 79 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: fort modern for that day on the New York shore 80 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: of Lake Champlain. And they named the place Fort Montgomery, 81 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: in honor of General Richard Montgomery, a hero of the 82 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: Revolutionary War. 83 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this dude named Joseph Totten, who later became 84 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: the Chief engineer of the US Army, of the whole army, 85 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 3: This guy meant business. He oversaw the construction and it 86 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: was a thirty foot tall structure. It was made out 87 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 3: of the same Vermont limestone that later was used to 88 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 3: construct Radio City Music Hall and the Brooklyn Bridge, and 89 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: they built this thing up. It was going to have 90 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five cannon ports and any ship 91 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: that was passing by on the British side was going 92 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: to be given What. 93 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: For sounds great on paper, here's the problem. This was 94 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: an embarrassment on multiple levels. And we'll get to the 95 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: big one in a sec. But just the building itself, 96 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: it was, as you said, eight sided, thirty feet high, 97 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: but it was built on a weak, unstable foundation that 98 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: was mainly composed of debris bought from ruins of the 99 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: Plattsburgh batteries and outworks. So literally, the foundations of this 100 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 1: thing are weak. It can't hold, and it doesn't matter 101 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: if it does hold, because they figured out what was 102 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: wrong pretty quickly. 103 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, at the most embarrassing time possible, because Madison actually 104 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: showed up to get a glance, to get a gander 105 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 3: at the progress that you know that he he had 106 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: proposed this fort, and that is when they realized that 107 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: they had actually built the thing on the Canada side. 108 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: Let's get a tire screech, perfect. Yeah, you see, under 109 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: the seventeen eighty th Retreaty of Paris, the border between 110 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: New York and Quebec was the forty fifth parallel, but 111 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: the previous understanding of the location of that line of 112 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: latitude was incorrect, a fact that surveyors did not discover 113 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: until eighteen eighteen. At this point, the US has already 114 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: spent two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars on construction. 115 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: That has not jump change of the time had a serious, 116 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: big imaginary military money. 117 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's inflation calculate this real quick. 118 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: Here we go. 119 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: Two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars in eighteen eighteen 120 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: is now worth approximately five million, five hundred thirty three thousand, 121 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: five hundred nineteen dollars and sixty nine cents. 122 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: Okay, so maybe not like Avatar money, but you know, 123 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: five million dollars five million bucks. 124 00:07:59,120 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: First Hypto instruction. 125 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: Sure, that's a lot. 126 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: That's a lot for a stone structure. It's true. 127 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: There wasn't even any like moving parts. There wasn't even 128 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: any technology. Itolved probably windows, windows, sure, door hinges, that's 129 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: the original moving parts. Yes, so this is this is 130 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: a tremendous embarrassment. Right, What do they do when they 131 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: figure out that this fort designed to protect the US 132 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: from Canada, is you know in Canada. Yeah, And it 133 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: wasn't until eighteen forty two that this discrepancy about the 134 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: borderline was resolved. There's something called the Webster Ashburton Treaty 135 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: that provided the understanding that the original border was going 136 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: to hold the old line that was surveyed by Valentine 137 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: and Collins in seventeen seventy four that was known as 138 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 3: the forty fifth degree of north latitude and then became 139 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: known as the actual divide between New York and Vermont 140 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: on one side and the British province of Canada on 141 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: the other. And from this is a quote actually from 142 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: a neat Orama article, and from said point of intersection 143 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: west along the said divide lies as heretofore known and 144 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: understood to the Iroquois as or Sir Lawrence River. 145 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: You know, this is back in the day when if 146 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: you wanted stuff to sound totally profound, you added, said 147 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: it just peppered and said at some point, you know 148 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: our said guest producer Paul Decant is agreeing here. So 149 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: it's interesting because they tried to resolve the issue. But 150 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: while they were resolving this, we have to remember this 151 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: fort had been abandoned decades. Locals are looting the construction 152 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: site because the work stopped, you know, and Fort Montgomery, 153 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: by the time eighteen forty two comes around, is widely 154 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: known as Fort Blunder. But to your point, now, after 155 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: this Webster Ashburton Treaty, that's the one, right, they resumed 156 00:09:53,520 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: construction in eighteen forty four, and Fort Blunder actually get 157 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: some get some play. It's a it's a working base. 158 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: You just actually me then, No, I'm just saying actually, 159 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: like I'm surprised. 160 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. 161 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Right, Look, it's a living language. I'll speak how I want. 162 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: I see you and as well you should, then I 163 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: will ask questions as I want. 164 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: Do you Are you one of those people who's intimidated 165 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: by the use of the word actually or is it? 166 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: For me? It's when it's at the beginning of a sentence, 167 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: it always means that, so why are you doing this? 168 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of to me. 169 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: It's a license to tune out whatever the person's about 170 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: to say after that, So I actually appreciate it. It's 171 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: kind of a context clue where you know whatever's going 172 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: to follow is going to be pretentious and unhelpful. 173 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: Like that old Dimitri Martin observation when he says I 174 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: love bumper stickers. It's such a convenient way of saying, 175 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: let's never talk agreed. Oh I like bumper stickers, They're 176 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: just not for me. 177 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: They're not for me either. 178 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: No, No, I have a virgin car. 179 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: This is strange. You can see photos of Fort Blunder 180 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: or Fort Montgomery excuses. If you want to check out 181 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: some close up pictures, visit historic Lakes dot org, where 182 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: you can see you can see the lay of the land, 183 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: you can see the old map where they miscalculated everything. 184 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: You can even see a sketch about Blunder, which depicts 185 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: the structure we talked about earlier. 186 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if we talked about some of the 187 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: features of the fort outside of the gun turrets or whatever, 188 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: the little windows, but it did at one point stand 189 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: forty eight feet high. The western facing wall was known 190 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: as the Gorge, and that was adjacent to a giant 191 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: called that's something called a cover face or an earthen bank, 192 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 3: and that was created as a defensive aid for land attacks, 193 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 3: and then it had a moat. I didn't realize this 194 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: is I mean, it's very much like old school kind 195 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: of castle type features. Right, It had a moat which 196 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: was referred to as a wet ditch, which was filled 197 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: with lake water. These days it is not is not 198 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: looking so hot. It is quite worse for wear because 199 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: a lot of local you know, kids and ruffians and 200 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: biker gangs, you know, have just tagged it all up. 201 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 3: It is actually for sale if you're in the market. 202 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: In the nineteen twenties, the US sold Fort Montgomery at 203 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: an auction, and then in nineteen eighty three a Victor 204 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: Pod who is a shipping magnate from Montreal. That's when 205 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 3: he bought it, and he offered part of the property 206 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: to New York State as a historic preservation site, but 207 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: New York did not want it. Then Pod died in 208 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: ninety nine and his sons inherited the fort and tried 209 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: to sell it on eBay and actually got one valid 210 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: bid for five million bucks, but it fell through. Still 211 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: for sale, I believe the current asking price is around 212 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: a million bucks. 213 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: That's a lot of depreciation, really is from five point 214 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: five to three whatever, just sixty nine. 215 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: That's worse than like dealership depreciation, like when you drive 216 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: the car off the line, you know, one million, one million, 217 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 3: not even a million, nine hundred and ninety five thousand. 218 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: Ah yeah, So from five point five million dollars and 219 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: sixty nine cents to just under a million dollars, that's 220 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: boat level depreciation, and you know, hopefully a lesson learned. 221 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: There's a great Atlas Obscure article about the current situation 222 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: Fort Montgomery is encountering, which just says for sale an abandoned, 223 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: decaying fort on a private island. It says decaying, Uh huh, 224 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: and it is. You can see some great pictures. It's overgrown, 225 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: there's graffiti all over it. They're probably you know, syringes. 226 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: You don't think they. 227 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: Would have gone in there and gussied it up a 228 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: little bit like they did for real estate photos. You know, 229 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: they're really not trying to upsell this thing, are they been? 230 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 4: No? 231 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: No, they're not really, because the problem here is one 232 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: of infrastructure, right, and it's still on the National Register 233 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: of Historic Place is But okay, everybody knows that it 234 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: needs to be saved, but nobody's willing to pony up 235 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: the scratch and cheddar, the itchy cheddar to support it. 236 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: For instance, the Preservation League of New York State included 237 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: this Fort on its Seven to Save List in two 238 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, a roundup of at risk historic sites 239 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: that need help, and according to Katie Peace, the communications 240 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: director of the Preservation League of New York State, there 241 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: are no current plans to rehabilitate the site. It joins 242 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: the ranks of other historical places and objects of significance, 243 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: like the gunboat Spitfire, which was part of the American 244 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: fleet that contributed to the Saratoga Victory in seventeen seventy seven, 245 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: or the John van Houston House, which looks the worse 246 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: for wear, but is an early eighteenth century example of 247 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: Dutch settlement along the Hudson, the plum Bronson House, which 248 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: is also just rapidly deteriorating, and the Magdalen Island, which 249 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: has an ancient past as a stopping place for Native 250 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: American populations or First Nations and Europeans who came later, 251 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: the historic South Street Seaport, the Burden Iron Works Museum. 252 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Those are the seven, but there are many, many more, 253 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: And when you look around, whether it's in the US 254 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: or in other countries, I'm sure there's no shortage of 255 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: decaying pieces of history that should be preserved. Like have 256 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: you ever driven through Tennessee. 257 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit, but not a ton. Give me 258 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: the scoop. 259 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: Tennessee is there must be some government program. I can 260 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: say this because I have family there. There must be 261 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: some government program to make sure that everybody has at 262 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: least one to two decaying barns in their fields. And 263 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: you can even see them when you just drive on 264 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: the interstate. But I'm always baffled by that, you know 265 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: what I mean, because these barns are in use, but 266 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: they're ready for one match to make them. 267 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: That's very similar to driving some of the rural roads 268 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: in Georgia, like between Atlanta and Athens, for example, or 269 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: Augusta and Athens. Lots of big open fields with just 270 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: a single ramshackled barn in the middle, and it looks 271 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: like it's leaning kind of at a canted angle, like 272 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: it could fall down with just a light breath of wind. 273 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: Wiregrass country, especially if you drive. This is an example 274 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: for people who don't know how big this state is, 275 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: especially driving from Atlanta to Savannah down on Georgia's small 276 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: Atlantic coast. Have you made that drive? 277 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: I have. It's been a minute, though it's a long one. 278 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: It's a long one. And it's not a particularly exciting 279 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: one for some people. But it's what how long is it? 280 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: It's hours from here to Savannah to Atlanta. I believe 281 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: it's about six hours. 282 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Six hours. Yeah, six long hours, full of full of history, 283 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: and full of things that look the worse for where 284 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: you know. It reminds me whenever I travel somewhere, whether 285 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: for work or whether for personal reasons, I always try 286 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: to find a local museum or an historic site. In Texas, recently, 287 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: a super producer, Paul Michigan Control Decking and I visited 288 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: the Alamo and hey, check this out, man, I got 289 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: something for you. 290 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 3: Ben is now rummaging through his bag of chicks. Okay, 291 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: here you go. 292 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't bring you the actual Alamo, but I found 293 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: I found a little funny. 294 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: It's a pamphlet. It's a handbill for the Alamo. 295 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: I would say it's a femera. 296 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely is. 297 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: Ben, give me the rundown of the Alamo as I 298 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 3: perused this. 299 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: Hand So so the thing that I think startled both 300 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: Paul and myself was, and Paul, tell me if I 301 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: get this wrong, is that when we went to the 302 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: actual Alamo and went inside, it's free to attend. By 303 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: the way, everything was under restoration or construction work, and 304 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: there were there were entire pieces of of the building 305 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: that needed to be saved, right, Uh, that were off limits, 306 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: and we we didn't get to do a lot of 307 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: the fun stuff. There's a re enactor who will builk 308 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: you in a card game. We missed that. It was 309 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: early in the morning. Uh. But I'm a huge I'm 310 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: a huge fan of that stuff, and I and I 311 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: hope that I hope that we can as a species 312 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: do our best to preserve the physical traces of those 313 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: who came before us, whether that is a military fort, 314 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: a vessel of note, I don't know. 315 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: I see there's a pretty big footprint for the gift 316 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 3: shop here, Ben. Was it spectacular? Was it an above average 317 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: gift shop? 318 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 4: It was? 319 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: You know it was it was. Uh, it was interesting. 320 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: It's interesting. I I did not personally pick up any 321 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: if so. 322 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: I was there. 323 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: I was there for this story. But they have all 324 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, Texas branded stuff, uh, shotglasses, astros, replica guns. No, No, 325 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: not this time. If if they were giving out actual 326 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: pieces of the Alamo, might probably pick one up, but 327 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: that would maybe defeat their purposes. But you know what, 328 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: my friend, if ever I find myself on Fort Montgomery 329 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: or Fort Blunder, I will pick up some pieces of 330 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: history for us. 331 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: Well, that's what we do here on Ridiculous History, man, 332 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: We pick up the pieces of history. We put them 333 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: back together like a veritable Rubik's cube. 334 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: And this ends our episode. But not. 335 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 4: It's time, gentle men. 336 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland ak the Quisterland quiz. 337 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 4: It's going to be back. 338 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: Guys. You've got a lot of nerve, my friend. 339 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 4: I sure do. 340 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: Just in general, it's just let's just let's. 341 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 4: Just establish this just for a moment though, gentlemen. Uh huh, 342 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: you're in my playground now, because you're not in your 343 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 4: normal studio. You're in my studio. That's true, that's true. 344 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: We are so we have a number of studios here 345 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: at h Q, and Jonathan, this is one of the 346 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: studios where you spend a lot of time recording. Uh 347 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: let's see tech stuff. 348 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 4: Sure, that's right. In your studio, I record the brink. 349 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 4: But in my studio, I record tech stuff. Yes. 350 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I gotta say, I love what you're 351 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: done with the place. 352 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 4: Thanks, thanks, you're enjoying my butt groove. Right now, you're 353 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 4: in my chair. 354 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm in your chair. 355 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 4: That's the chair I sit in. 356 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah, I didn't think that. Are we cool? 357 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: Do you want to switch chairs? I'm fine with that. 358 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 4: If we switch chairs, then you can see whether or 359 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: not the thing I'm about to tell you, if it's 360 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 4: true or false. That's right, you just I'll just stay here. 361 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: You're here for a reason. Yes, And the most cringe 362 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 4: worthy segment in all the podcasting where I present a 363 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 4: scenario to the two hosts of Ridiculous History and they 364 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: determine whether or not I made it up or if 365 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: it's a real one. And I understand we were talking 366 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 4: about things about borders and mistakes about placing things places 367 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 4: where you may not actually own them, so this is 368 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: a somewhat related to that. But on the other side 369 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 4: of the United States of America, the southern side. Have 370 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 4: you ever wondered why Florida has a panhandle that seems 371 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 4: to cut off the bottom of the state of Alabama all. 372 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: The time, constantly keeps me up at night. 373 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 4: Well, I have a scenario for you. You will have three 374 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 4: minutes to decide whether or not and in fact, it 375 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 4: is true or false, and of course, we always have 376 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 4: an arbitrary rule, and I didn't come up with one beforehand. 377 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 4: So if you're going to ask me a question before 378 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 4: you get you have to yell spring break rules and 379 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 4: then you can ask a question. Deal because it has 380 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 4: to do with Florida and Alabama done all right, here we go. 381 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 4: It's because of a really bad map and some quote 382 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 4: unquote surveyors. After winning or purchasing territories from England, Spain, 383 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 4: and France, the American government got down to the business 384 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 4: of establishing states in the early eighteen hundreds. Originally, the 385 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 4: Colony of Georgia stretched much further to the west, but 386 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 4: it was decided that part of that land would be 387 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 4: created into the state of Alabama. The Chattahoochee River would 388 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 4: serve as a border much of the state line and 389 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 4: would go all the way south, and a team of 390 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 4: cartographers determined that the Gulf Coast of what would have 391 00:22:54,320 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 4: been Alabama fell on the thirty one degree latitude. Here's 392 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 4: the problem. The actual latitude line for the Gulf Coast 393 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 4: is thirty degrees, which meant that the map actually ended 394 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 4: much further north than the Gulf coast. But that's how 395 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 4: it was written down, and because that's how it was 396 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: written down in official documents, that's where the end of 397 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 4: Alabama would be. And because of that error, Alabama does 398 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 4: not have a Gulf coast that stretches across its entire width. Instead, 399 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 4: it just has Mobile Bay. Begin Yeah, yes, mister Brown. 400 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: Well, I've got to run to the timer. It's in 401 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: the other studio. Hang on, Hey, we're good. 402 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 4: All right, We'll just take about five seconds off that, 403 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: all right? But yes, rolls, yes, yes, Ms Brown. 404 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 3: Is this there's anything to do with the band Florida 405 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 3: Georgia line? 406 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: It certainly has not, as far as they know, and 407 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 4: thank the heavens, has nothing to do with that band. 408 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: Okay, rules, yes. 409 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 4: Mister bullet. 410 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: Uh so, quister, what you said? It was the thirty 411 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: a matter of confusing the thirtieth and the thirty first. Yes, latitude, yes, okay? 412 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: And what year did this happen? 413 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 4: It would have been the early eighteen hundreds. It's before 414 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 4: Alabama was officially declared a state, which was I think 415 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 4: I have this written down. It's eighteen. 416 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, you're you're eating our time. 417 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 4: I know. I'm sorry. I have the facts written down, 418 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 4: but I didn't have any listen, I'm really much stronger 419 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 4: on English history than American history. Yes, but it was 420 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 4: in the early eighteen hundreds. It was before Alabama was 421 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 4: made of state, and certainly much before Florida. Florida, I know, 422 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: was eighteen forty five, which was much later. 423 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: Okay, ah, you got anything, elseen. No, I feel like 424 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: I feel like this is true. 425 00:24:59,119 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: I think it's probably true. 426 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: Well been, well like it is was lock it three 427 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: two one halack true. 428 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 4: It's so not true. It's like winning doesn't even mean 429 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: anything anymore. 430 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: You're making me. 431 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 4: Face an existential crisis here, gentlemen, did you ever consider 432 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 4: that Maybe that's exactly our intent. I'm going to keep 433 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 4: playing the game anyway, all right, it's all I have. Well, 434 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 4: let me tell you exactly what did happen, though, is 435 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 4: just to give you the real story, because it's actually 436 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: fascinating why there's a panhandle. So we have to keep 437 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 4: in mind there were four major players involved. We have England, 438 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 4: we have France, we have Spain, we have America. Now, 439 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 4: before the American Revolution, you had England with the colonies 440 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 4: that would become the United States of America. You had 441 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 4: Spain that owned Florida, and that went as far it 442 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 4: could have gone as far west as the Mississippi. You 443 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 4: had France that owned the Louisiana Territory that was much 444 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 4: of the midwest and the south of what would become 445 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: the United States of America. Now, France and Spain were 446 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 4: sort of in disagreement of where that border was along 447 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 4: the southern edge the Gulf Coast, and they eventually decided 448 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 4: that Perdido River was the unofficial border, which is between 449 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 4: Mobile Bay and Pensacola, Florida. And so they decided that 450 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: was the border. But then a whole bunch of different 451 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 4: stuff happened. England won the Seven Years War. They took 452 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 4: over Florida from Spain. Then Spain gave the Louisiana territory 453 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 4: to or France gave the Louisiana Territory territory to Spain. 454 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 4: This is what happens when I do the Renaissance Festival 455 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 4: three days in a row, I can't talk straight to anymore. 456 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 4: So Spain now has the Louisiana territory. England now has Florida. Okay, 457 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 4: England extends the Florida border all the way out to 458 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 4: the Mississippi. So now the Florida's Panhandle reaches much further 459 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 4: to the west. All right, all right, then America is revolting, 460 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 4: you could argue frequently throughout its history. But it ends 461 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 4: up winning the Revolutionary War. England loses, Florida goes back 462 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 4: to Spain. So now Spain owns Florida, but now the 463 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 4: border goes all the way to the Mississippi. Spain gives 464 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 4: the Louisiana territory back to France, which then turns around 465 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 4: and sells it to the Americans. 466 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: This would be really helpful with a whiteboard. 467 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 4: Well, here's or a lot of red string. So here's 468 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 4: what the Americans do. They say, well, we're buying the 469 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 4: Louisiana territory, but what we're going to do is we're 470 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 4: going to refer to louisianatory back when this map was drawn, 471 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 4: where the Padido River was the border. Okay, So they 472 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 4: essentially tells Spain, oh, no, we bought the Louisiana territory 473 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 4: from like three times before. 474 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: Wow. 475 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 4: Spain said no. And then America sent a bunch of 476 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 4: troops down to the Gulf coast and Spain said all right, fine, 477 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 4: And then a few years later Spain ends up surrendering 478 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 4: Flora to the United States, and that is why Florida 479 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 4: has a panhandle and Alabama has a very limited Gulf coast. 480 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: Well said, Well said, you know, I've always It's fascinating 481 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: because I think where I got I got tripped up 482 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: is as soon as you were talking about the original 483 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: size of the colony of Georgia. I know part of 484 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: that is true, yes, like all right, fine, that's true. Yes, 485 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: but I probably should have listened be the first. 486 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 4: Party that part's true. The rest of it's going to 487 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: be right. 488 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: I should probably not treat these very important questions the 489 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: way I treat group emails down. 490 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 4: Everyone, or any conversation with me. 491 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: Honestly, that's not true. No, I listen pretty pretty in depth. 492 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm caught. I have my finger on the 493 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: pulse of the Jonathan Strickland aspect of your life. By 494 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: the way, congratulations on wrapping up the Renaissance Festival. 495 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. I I think it added about 496 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 4: five years to the age that I already am, or 497 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 4: perhaps you could say subtracted them from the end of 498 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 4: my life. 499 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: Either way, it gets you right around the age you 500 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: were supposed to be. For your character, though, because that's 501 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: what really matter. 502 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 4: Right around the age was when he died. 503 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: Yes, well take some take some vitamins. Yes, look, you 504 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: I have unfortunate news. You can't die yet, Nola, and 505 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: I and all our friends listening at home need to 506 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: at least get a little bit out of the hole, right. 507 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 4: Right, Yes, I don't even know how, and you'm ahead now, 508 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 4: all right, But that's fine, it's fine, it's fine. I 509 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 4: was actually going to give you the true one originally, 510 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 4: and then I thought, well, this one's it's so convoluted, 511 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 4: but it's obviously true. 512 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we've been we've been exploring and no I 513 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: think you said this at the top, we've been exploring 514 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about boundaries and borders recently. So 515 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: this this was an excellent question. And you know, one 516 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: of these days we're going to get one right. 517 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 4: Well, it's also it also really illustrates how this is 518 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 4: a sticky, sticky situation, even when you're looking at borders 519 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 4: between two areas in the same country. There's there's other 520 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 4: stories about states that have had border disputes that had 521 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 4: to be settled by Congress when they were actually establishing 522 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 4: the states. 523 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Ohio, Michigan. 524 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 4: Exactly, Like like Ohio, Michigan and that's little thin sliver 525 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 4: who owns that? 526 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, who owns Toledo. So thank you so much 527 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: for coming on the show, Jonathan, I without giving spoilers 528 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: because you got a lot of irons in the fire 529 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: right now, Where can people visit to learn more about you, 530 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: your work and your shows. 531 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 4: Not certainly you can go to techstuffpodcast dot com to 532 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 4: look at the more than one thousand episodes of tech 533 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 4: stuff I've recorded over the last eleven years. 534 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: Is that recent one thousand? 535 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 4: It's one thousand. I'm almost up to twelve under now, okay, 536 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 4: because I remember, Yes, I hit one thousand last year. 537 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 4: That's right, actually because two years ago. But yes, it's 538 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 4: a We've been doing a lot of interesting work, especially 539 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 4: around artificial intelligence and ethics and things of that nature. 540 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: Not very historically oriented, but I would recommend if you 541 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 4: have any interest in the ethics of technology. Yeah, there's 542 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 4: been quite a few episodes about that recently, fantastic and 543 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 4: I ignore all of that when I come on here. 544 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: Great, great, keep your characters like that of Offspring song 545 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: right deep thems up right exactly, but hey, hey, don't 546 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: pay no mind. As we were saying, earlier. This is 547 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: the end of the episode, but not the show, and 548 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: the conversation continues. We want to hear your thoughts. You 549 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: can find us all on Instagram, Facebook, and not Twitch. 550 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: That's the thing you did, but Twitter, which is a 551 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: different thing that sounds similar. 552 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: Twitter is my new platform that I'm starting. 553 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: I like Twitter, Paig. 554 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: It's sort of a Twitch Twitter hybrid that is exactly that. 555 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 4: Yes, I think I have a physical tick that will 556 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 4: make me an ideal influencer on Twitter. 557 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 2: You can get it on the ground floor. Excellent. 558 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: I like Thither. It's the startup I have that's it 559 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: overlays your favorite GPS devices and gives you driving instructions 560 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: in old English. So it's a great Frank gift for 561 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: your friends. 562 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 4: Oh, you were supposed to go Thither, but you turned 563 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 4: you on. 564 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: A pos on your house. 565 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: So you can find out more about our brilliant, world 566 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,719 Speaker 1: changing startups on our Facebook page, Ridiculous Historians, where you 567 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: can meet our favorite part of the show, your fellow listeners. 568 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: You can also follow our individual misadventures and Shenanigan ree 569 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Ben Bullen, i. 570 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 4: Am at how Now, Noel Brown, I'm at John Strickland with. 571 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: Or without a no H. 572 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: Got it he used to be at no H. But 573 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: it's weird. 574 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 4: Yes, just to know you exactly. No one knew what 575 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 4: the what the l was going on? 576 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:18,239 Speaker 1: H Okay, yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you. It's been 577 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: a long day. Big thanks to our guest super producer 578 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: Paul Mission Controlled Decat, who has been chilling with us 579 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: all afternoon and is probably h what do you think? No, 580 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: he think is tired of us. 581 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: Yet he looks okay, it doesn't look too cranky. He's 582 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: got a little rye smile on his face. 583 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: I think it always looks great. 584 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 4: I think it was tired of you before you came 585 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 4: in here. Actually if he has been working with you 586 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 4: guys for a really long time, right right. 587 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: Well, thank you either way, Paul. 588 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 3: Also thank you to super producer Casey Labusch Pegram wherever 589 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: he may roam. Big thanks to Alex Williams who can 590 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 3: post our theme. 591 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: And thanks to friend of the show Christopher Hasiotis. Thanks 592 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: as always to Jonathan Strickland aka the Wizard. Thanks to 593 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: our research associate Gabe and Hey No, thanks to you man, 594 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: safe travels and. 595 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: To you as well. We'll see you next time, folks. 596 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 597 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.