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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday. That means it's time to enter the Thursday Thunderdome.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, our special guests will compete alongside my

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Speaker 1: co host, my companion, Professional Sports Better Simon Hunter, in

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Speaker 1: an epic test of wagers and wits that's made of

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Speaker 1: this show, the only back to back Oscar nominated sports

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Speaker 1: betting trivia podcast in history. Simon, if you were to

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Speaker 1: thank me in the Oscar speech when we win for something,

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Speaker 1: what would you say. I actually wrote my Oscar speech

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Speaker 1: when I was like twelve years old, and I think,

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Speaker 1: still to this day genius. It goes like, I want

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Speaker 1: to thank my legs for holding me up, my arms

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Speaker 1: for always being by my side. But it was genius

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Speaker 1: for a twelve year old. I want to thank Chad

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Speaker 1: for putting me in a position is to succeed, loving me,

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Speaker 1: unconditionally accepting me. Yeah, I would let you write it. Apparently, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's probably a good idea lemn. Speaking of writing, your

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Speaker 1: first challenger is an expert in the art and science

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Speaker 1: of human decision making a return guest here on The Favorites.

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Speaker 1: My favorite guest from last summer jes a psychology PhD,

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Speaker 1: a poker champion, the author of two best selling books,

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Speaker 1: including The Biggest Bluff. Welcome back to the show, Maria Kanakova.

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Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing well. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me back. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: Tell me how life has been since you reveal yourself

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Speaker 1: to be one of the best poker players on earth.

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Speaker 1: Can't stop the challenges from the other best poker players

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Speaker 1: in the world who are like, you know, I'm the

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Speaker 1: best in the universe. And then obviously I have to

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Speaker 1: say no, I am um, and then we get into

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Speaker 1: it and it gets messy. It does get ugly, especially

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Speaker 1: during COVID. I've heard that, Yeah, for sure, I've heard

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Speaker 1: on the street in the poker chat rooms that you

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Speaker 1: are getting nasty on a lot of people because they're

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Speaker 1: all coming after you. That's absolutely I mean that. That's

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Speaker 1: my that's my day to day these days. You know,

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Speaker 1: no time for writing, no time for anything. Basically all

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Speaker 1: I do is talk shit online. Well, you know, you

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Speaker 1: gotta make a living. H Simon. Your second challenger is

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Speaker 1: Action Network producer Emmy Werner. Our company's YouTube's are the

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Speaker 1: Arizona native comes to us from the Late Late Show

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Speaker 1: with James Cordon and is famous for being one of

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Speaker 1: the only legitimate long suffering Phoenix Suns fans anybody here knows.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the thunder Dome. Son's jersey clad Ryan McKee.

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Speaker 1: It is an honor to be here. And since I

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Speaker 1: have you, what is Action Network's policy on advances to

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Speaker 1: pay off bookies? Because as the Sun's lost last night

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Speaker 1: and it was a rep nice for me, let's just

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Speaker 1: say that I'm lucky I'm here. We do not promote

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Speaker 1: illegal wagering of any kind here, Ryan, So whatever you're

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Speaker 1: doing on your own time, you'll have to manage on

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Speaker 1: your own. We will not be a party to it. Bryan,

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Speaker 1: you and I can talk after. This is a big

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Speaker 1: recorded right, Don't worry, nobody listens anyways. Here's how this

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Speaker 1: game is played today. You'll answer two kinds of questions. First,

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Speaker 1: traditional trivia questions about sports, sports, betting, and the world

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Speaker 1: at large. Second, completely subjective and totally assinine, open ended

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Speaker 1: questions or prompts that I alone will judge impress me people.

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Speaker 1: To accumulate points, you must answer the trivia questions correctly

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Speaker 1: and also convince me that your responses to those open

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Speaker 1: Let's begin Part one. Poker stars are specialist. Maria Kondakova

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Speaker 1: is famously an expert and celebrity in the universe of poker,

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Speaker 1: a game long beloved by athletes across the world. As

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Speaker 1: a tribute to this gambling mainstay and it's famous enthusiasts,

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Speaker 1: I will now ask each of you two questions, one

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Speaker 1: Poker player Maria Gerard Piquay is one of the most

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Speaker 1: famous soccer players in Spanish history and the winner of

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Speaker 1: both a euro and World Cup. He's also famous off

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Speaker 1: player with over seven hundred thousand dollars in tournament winnings,

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Speaker 1: Wherever was an international number one hit in two thousand one,

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Speaker 1: It was? But but you need to swing the hips too,

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Speaker 1: how did you do? Oh? He ended up final tabling

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Speaker 1: the event. I played with him and he crushed everyone's soul?

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Speaker 1: He did. Really? Was he a trash talker in any way? No,

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Speaker 1: get nasty, and do you feel like do you feel

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Speaker 1: because like they're serious and think that you're going to

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Speaker 1: fall for something like that. Well, in that particular case,

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Speaker 1: nasty business. Here is your poker term? Question? Also a

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Speaker 1: defensive technique in the game of basketball, this term refers

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Speaker 1: to slow or passive play to lore opponent into larger

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Speaker 1: or more aggressive bets. What is the name of this term? Checking?

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Speaker 1: Is what I would say, ding, ding, ding, Maria, You

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Speaker 1: get the point. Simon also a well known American Olympian.

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Speaker 1: This athlete is something of a poker obsessive, regularly playing

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Speaker 1: in World Series of Poker events. He was even seen

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Speaker 1: playing poker shortly before his two thousand and sixteen Olympics

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Speaker 1: Michael Phelps and my favorite thing was Chad, you got

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Speaker 1: to see the underbelly of the poker world and you

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Speaker 1: the real, the real gambling world. Chad just likes the

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Speaker 1: the happy stuff. He doesn't like to know the underseed belly.

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Speaker 1: That most of the gambling world is just creepy dudes, weird,

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Speaker 1: that I look for positivity, that I look for triumph. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking for negativity. That's not my bag. Man,

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Speaker 1: here's your poker question, Simon. Also something NBA players are

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Speaker 1: It is known as the flop Ryan. Most people point

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Speaker 1: already name dropped that she played poker against Shakira's husband.

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Speaker 1: Tilly in the same what universe? Have you never seen

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Speaker 1: Bride of Chucky? She was amazing in that Movie's taping

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Speaker 1: a sequel? Right now, there you go, give me stop

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Speaker 1: Jordan's here's another thing about me. I get really overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: in my head. So I am very sorry. I'll try

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Speaker 1: my bank account was back at zero. Al Right, here's

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Speaker 1: the prompt. Poker is best when the stakes are high.

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Speaker 1: If you had to bet your life in a game

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Speaker 1: you know I'm always playing the angles. So I did

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Speaker 1: some research into this because I love history. The greatest

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Speaker 1: wrestler in American history, Abraham Lincoln. You had three matches,

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Speaker 1: The man can't tell a lie. I would love to

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Speaker 1: you know what, Let's see how smarty Maria does when

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Speaker 1: it's her turn. I'm going to give you some credit

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Speaker 1: because you forgot his nickname was honest Dave. Because I

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Speaker 1: a brutal game of poker. Ryan, how are you feeling? Yes,

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Speaker 1: this one was really easy for me because I would

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Speaker 1: want to go against the person who has been the

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Speaker 1: bane of my existence in two thousand four, and that

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Speaker 1: is Sons owner Robert sarver a k A. Jankie James Dolan.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows who he is is, but he is the

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Speaker 1: worst everybody looks at James owner is the worst owner. No,

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Speaker 1: it's Robert Sarverer. He's not even a billionaire. He's an

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Speaker 1: a bigger steak than he does. I would go against him,

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Speaker 1: and I would see myself as Han Solo playing against

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Speaker 1: Lando Karissian for the Millennium Falcon, famous scene in that movie.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not doing it for the greater good of

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Speaker 1: I would definitely have to win, and I would just

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Speaker 1: like Han Solo said that he was staking a spaceship

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Speaker 1: would say, because Sarber has gotten into buying soccer teams overseas,

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Speaker 1: I would say, oh, I'm the owner of the Mecanos Mystics,

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Speaker 1: fourdham and this IVY League program located in the Morningside

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Speaker 1: Heights neighborhood of Manhattan. Mm hmm St John's Columbia University.

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Speaker 1: Damn it. How do we go through an entire poker

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Speaker 1: related podcast with a section called IVY League and not

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Speaker 1: prompt me to tell the story about when I lost

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Speaker 1: phil IV seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars playing craps.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how that happens. Tell the story. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you asked. So you know about two I think

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Speaker 1: it was two thousand nine or two thousand ten. You know,

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Speaker 1: as you know, I'm a prominent you know both face

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Speaker 1: name and the gambling industry and the coverage of the

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Speaker 1: gambling industry. And I got a call from Phil Ivy's

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Speaker 1: manager who said, Phil is doing a seventy two hour

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Speaker 1: around the world, Uh, gambling extravaganza ending in Austria. For

439
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Speaker 1: at the time, it was a full tilt promotional poker event. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be on his private plane. He's starting

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Speaker 1: in Connecticut at Mohegan Sun. Uh then going to Montreal.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to join him for the gambling event,

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Speaker 1: do a story about phil Ivy, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I said,

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Speaker 1: for sure. I met Philip Mohegan's son. He had his

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Speaker 1: own private room, his own private cage. He won a

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grand playing craps in the first thirty

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Speaker 1: minutes he was there. He stopped. We all went to

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Speaker 1: have dinner. We took the plane to Montreal, woke up

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Speaker 1: the next morning, were picked up in a limo. Went

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Speaker 1: to the private room at the casino in Montreal. Had

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Speaker 1: an entire buffet set up just for Phil and his guests.

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Speaker 1: Had a private room with a craps table that had

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Speaker 1: his name in a gold plate that was screwed into

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Speaker 1: the table. He took out a million dollars from the cage.

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Speaker 1: He's gambling, he's winning. He looks at me, he says,

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Speaker 1: you want to roll? I say, sure, I roll. I

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Speaker 1: fill the whole table. I don't crap out. I don't

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Speaker 1: win him any money. The next role is for all

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Speaker 1: the money yea or nay. I lose all the money

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Speaker 1: seven dred and fifty thousand dollars on the table. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Phil looks at me. You can appreciate this having been

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Speaker 1: at a poker table with some of the most uh

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Speaker 1: intimidating people in the world, and Phil is one of them.

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Speaker 1: He looks at me, dead eyed and just says, you're

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Speaker 1: fucking mush. And I have never felt more empty in

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Speaker 1: my entire life, because I was already so intimidated by

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Speaker 1: the guy, the most frightening subject I've ever interviewed, brilliant guy.

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Speaker 1: And I felt really bad. He ended up winning all

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Speaker 1: the money back and then some and we hop back

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Speaker 1: on the plane and flew to Amsterdam. Uh, and then

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Speaker 1: we went to Austria. It was a great trip, amazing trip.

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Speaker 1: That's IVY league. When you're talking about poker. Chad Millman

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Speaker 1: is proud of himself. Here's the prompt. Ivy League schools

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Speaker 1: are famously steeped in long and bizarre traditions, particularly when

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Speaker 1: it comes to their sports and rivalries. Please invent a

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Speaker 1: college sports tradition and apply it to an Ivy League program.

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Speaker 1: I will choose the best combination of preposterous but believable.

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Speaker 1: For example, all seniors on the Dark Myth men's heavyweight

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Speaker 1: rowing team must sport waxed handlebar mustaches in honor of

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Speaker 1: their first captain, who was a casualty of the Ragmuffin

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Speaker 1: War of Southern Brazil in the early eighteen forties. So

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Speaker 1: give me a preposterous but believable tradition for an Ivory

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Speaker 1: League school. Ryan, are you with us? I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: go first yet again, so so that I can bet

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Speaker 1: on Simon. Uh. So. Can I ask a real quick

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Speaker 1: follow up question to your story? Though? Did you pay

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Speaker 1: back that seven k win better collective bought Action Network? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know what I haven't. And if Phils want to

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Speaker 1: come on the podcast uh, which I requested several times

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Speaker 1: since through his management, I'm more than happy to have

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Speaker 1: a conversation about it. I will say one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I love about gamblers is also he wanted

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Speaker 1: all back and it was his money Number one. Number two. Uh.

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Speaker 1: What I love about gamblers is there is a code.

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Speaker 1: Maria can certainly attested this. She knows it much better

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Speaker 1: than I do. No matter what the situation, real gamblers

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Speaker 1: will pay back any debt to anyone at any time

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Speaker 1: if it is owed, and they also always pick up

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Speaker 1: the check. But they will always pay the debt. So

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Speaker 1: there is a story where I've never been able to

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Speaker 1: ask Phill this story, but he allegedly owed someone money.

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Speaker 1: That person died before he was able to pay them back,

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Speaker 1: and he ended up paying back that person's widow. And

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Speaker 1: if it's felt, it's not an insignificant amount of money.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think I owe him seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. Well, okay, that's fair. I did some

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Speaker 1: research on this, and I've always been Uh, I've always

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Speaker 1: had a like spot in my heart for Dartmouth College

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Speaker 1: because I didn't learn that Dartmouth College existed until I

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Speaker 1: was like twenty one years old. Maybe it's from I'm

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Speaker 1: in a small town in Arizona, but I met a

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Speaker 1: young woman and she was going there, and I said, uh,

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Speaker 1: is of good school, and she's like, well, it's Ivy League.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I felt like such an idiot, So I

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Speaker 1: went with Dartmouth first and I started researching. And because

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Speaker 1: it's by the Appalachian Trail in New Hampshire and Chad,

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Speaker 1: you probably know that this is your area. They have

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Speaker 1: a huge think the oldest Outing Club, which is a

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Speaker 1: hiking and outdoors person club and uh, but one thing

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Speaker 1: they don't, uh, people don't know a lot about is

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Speaker 1: that there's like some weird traditions within that outing club

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Speaker 1: called aping. Have you heard of this? Jet No? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so aping is where they go and they mess with

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Speaker 1: hikers on the Appalachian Trail to get higher standings in

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Speaker 1: the outer club. So it's kind of like with Blair

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Speaker 1: Witch Project. They go out and miss mess with people.

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Speaker 1: They wrap people up in like their sleeping bags and

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Speaker 1: move them and like the higher they go put some

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Speaker 1: in higher standing in the club. So that's the background. Actually,

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Speaker 1: that is my answer. Did I trick you? That doesn't

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Speaker 1: really exist? Oh my god, you made that up. I

532
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: just made that up. That was fucking good, Ryan, ha ha.

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Speaker 1: There is, but there's not aping. That's not a tradition,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Redemption time. I like it. I like it a lot, Maria.

535
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: Ryan did all right on that one. He did, good job, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: So I'm using I'm cheating a little bit because I

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Speaker 1: went to Harvard as an undergrad, So I'm using my

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Speaker 1: knowledge of our deep undergraduate traditions in this answer. And

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Speaker 1: I also grew up in the Boston area right next

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Speaker 1: to conquered right old Revolutionary America. We studied the Revolution,

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Speaker 1: all of the intricacies. You know, I know the first

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Speaker 1: person who died during the Revolution. So what people might

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Speaker 1: not know about Paul Revere's famous ride is that his

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Speaker 1: horse actually tripped at one point during the ride because

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Speaker 1: there was a chicken in the road, and so he

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Speaker 1: actually had to get a new horse to finish his

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Speaker 1: ride because of this fucking chicken. So anyway, this is

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Speaker 1: some thing that is taught in Massachusetts schools that is

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Speaker 1: not really taught in US history because who the hell cares,

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Speaker 1: But we care because this is our history and the

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Speaker 1: history of our town. So anyway, this is just a

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Speaker 1: bit of background for the Harvard Polo teams tradition. So

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Speaker 1: people who don't know you know polo, you ride horses,

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Speaker 1: and so they pay homage to Paul Revere's ride their

555
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: biggest match of the years against Princeton, because of course

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Speaker 1: Princeton has the other really good polo team, and so

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00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: for one week before the big match, every single member

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Speaker 1: of the polo team who's going to be playing has

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Speaker 1: to carry a chicken around campus to every single class

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Speaker 1: and they can't and to every meal, and if any

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Speaker 1: of them don't have the chicken, they basically jinx the

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Speaker 1: whole match. And so the campus just becomes a literal

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Speaker 1: ship show because you've got a bunch of chickens all

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Speaker 1: over campus with these huge athletes, and it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: of hilarious. But you know, if I were on the

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Speaker 1: polo team, I would take very good care of my

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Speaker 1: chicken because I don't want to lose. Oh my god,

568
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: that is so elaborate in depth, brilliant, next level as

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Speaker 1: a history buff who's very aware of what Abraham Lincoln's

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00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: nickname was. I love you brought in Paul Revere. That

571
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: is going to be a tough one to beat. Let's

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Speaker 1: see if Ryan who's appropriately jenks to Simon, Yes, I

573
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: can't compete with that. I had something really corny written out.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what's the most not that Ivy

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00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: League people are douche but bild saying is an IVY

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Speaker 1: League person either tell you within two minutes or went

577
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Speaker 1: to an IVY League score. They won't tell you at all.

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00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: That's just how the IVY League people are. They're very

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Speaker 1: either they don't want people to know or they want

580
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: you to know right away. So it's like, listen, I'm

581
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: smarter than you. Let's just start off at the baseline,

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Speaker 1: which is true as a college dropout. Anyone I've ever

583
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: met that went to IV league school, they're away book

584
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: smarter than minute. Uh. I didn't know I was gonna

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00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: do something about crew, but after that answer, how can

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00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I even compete? She's talking about people hair on chickens

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00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: for a week. That's an amazing tradition conceding. Are you

588
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: conceding right now? I am because I like Amy and

589
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: flashback in high school. To learn about like having a kid,

590
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: you have to carry on an egg with you for

591
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 1: a week, and that was one of the hardest weeks

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Speaker 1: of my life. I couldn't imagine having to carry on

593
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Speaker 1: a chicken. I'm gonna give it to her. Wow, Maria, amazing.

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Speaker 1: You shut down, Simon Hunter. That's never happened right now.

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Speaker 1: The current score, Maria has taken the lead. Ryan has

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Speaker 1: three points. Maria has five points. Simon has four points.

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Speaker 1: Here is the grand finale. The topic is famous poker hands. First,

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Speaker 1: you have to tell me how much you would like

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Speaker 1: to risk. Please close your eyes, hold up your fingers

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Speaker 1: with your wager amount. All right. Arguably the most famous

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Speaker 1: hand to poker is a pair of black aces and

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00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: a pair of black aids, known as the dead Man's hand.

603
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: The hand received this famous moniker because it was allegedly

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Speaker 1: the hand held by Western folk hero wild Bill Hickock

605
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: as he was shot dead from behind poker table in

606
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Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six. The sight of his death was a

607
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: small town in western South Dakota, known today as a

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00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: tourist attraction and gambling cub, but most famous as the

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Speaker 1: name of a former HBO show Vox magazine recently called

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Speaker 1: one of the best TV shows of all time. And

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Speaker 1: you could make a real argument it's the best show

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Speaker 1: of all time. Name this town, Maria, Deadwood, Deadwood. You

613
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Speaker 1: risked three, you had five, You now have eight. Ryan,

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Speaker 1: you are next. I also said Deadwood, you risked three,

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Speaker 1: you had three, So you were at six. Simon, I

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00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: know you went all in, so you were at four.

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Speaker 1: You've rished for. You will have eight and be tied

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Speaker 1: with Maria if you have the right answer. You know

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Speaker 1: I got that right answer, Chad. I love HBO. Deadwood.

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Speaker 1: Deadwood is the answer. So now we have a tie.

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Speaker 1: I'm over three and overtime, so you should be feeling

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Speaker 1: pretty good now. Matt Mitchell, please take our contestants into

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Speaker 1: seven deaths. Hello, welcome to the Favorite Thursday Thunderdome Sudden

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Speaker 1: Death Challenge. As always, Prices Right, rules apply closest without

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Speaker 1: going over. As usual, Simon will go first, and I

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00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: will lose in honor of Maria kind of covers childhood

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00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts and her prior answer without going over. What

628
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: was the total distance of Paul Revere's famous ride in miles?

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Speaker 1: I will go with two seventy five. I will say

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Speaker 1: one hundred and ten. I have no idea Ryan, have

631
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Speaker 1: you ever watched the Prices Right? Yes, when someone goes

632
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Speaker 1: or you think someone might have gone over, what do

633
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: you say in that situation? You say one dollar? It

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00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: was twelve. It was twelve and a half miles, but

635
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: not closer. That's all it was was twelve miles. I've

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