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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Run the Jewel stormed into hip hop with a

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Speaker 1: years they've only turned the energy up. Killer Mike and

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Speaker 1: LP weren't strangers to anyone following hip hop over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of decades. Each made waves in their individual

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Speaker 1: careers prior to forming the group, But there's something irresistible

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Speaker 1: rapper from Atlanta with a tight connection to Outcast and

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Speaker 1: and producer known mostly from the underground. Together they have

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Speaker 1: a combustible energy as they rap about revolution, weed or

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Speaker 1: just boasting about themselves. They've also waded into the world

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Speaker 1: of politics in very meaningful ways. Killer Mike was a

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Speaker 1: surrogate for Bernie Sanders this last election, and a turn

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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is this is a group

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Speaker 1: that's hard to put in a box. Run the Jewels

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Speaker 1: fourth album comes out soon. They spent some time recording

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Speaker 1: it at Shango Law and during a break For one

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Speaker 1: of those sessions, they caught up with Rick Rubin. This

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Speaker 1: is broken record liner notes for the Digital Age. I'm

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Speaker 1: justin Richmond. Here's one of the jewels. In conversation with

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Speaker 1: Rick Rubin. Killer Mike turns up a little bit late,

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Speaker 1: so LP and Rick got to talk in first because

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Speaker 1: LP was freshly stoned. The conversation starts in an unexpected place,

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Speaker 1: what LP would do during the apocalypse. So, just a

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Speaker 1: moment ago, you were theorizing on if there was an apocalypse? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I always I always like worry about like

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Speaker 1: if it's much. It's certainly not like a brute straight like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'd probably be just some sort of like

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Speaker 1: I didn't follow through with the piano lessons. I didn't

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Speaker 1: all of that shit. I tried it, you know. My

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Speaker 1: father was a jazz piano player. He was he was,

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Speaker 1: I just can't feel cool doing this, Like I need

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Speaker 1: are your first memories of music your dad playing, for sure?

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Speaker 1: So would he play in the house all the time? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I would I would have to when I visited him,

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Speaker 1: Like whatever may happen. Um, it would suck to to

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Speaker 1: just like, well, I always think about, like, well, what

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Right, Like it's like a court gesture

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Rick, you the shit, bro? Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: was it? What did records did your dad listen to?

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Speaker 1: He was a big Fats Waller fan. That was his shit.

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Speaker 1: But um, yeah, that was that was beyond the digging

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Speaker 1: And it was William Parker and Matthew Ship and a

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Speaker 1: I got my father on it. Beautiful. Yeah, there's moments

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Speaker 1: we're literally in all black DWN. I'm on stage like

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Speaker 1: two you know, two mcs in the DJ, like we

425
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: believe because of run DMC that this this, you can

426
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: rock a fucking stadium with two rappers in the DJ,

427
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: don't need a fucking band and this and and maybe

428
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: you can rock it better than a band ever could

429
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: if you if you get it right, if you're a titan.

430
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: And but I remember just seeing first of course the music,

431
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: but also just seeing round DFC and being like they

432
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: they they're clearly got there. They're currently cooler than most

433
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: people that DC. They're better dressed yet than most people.

434
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,239
Speaker 1: It's still better dressed normal ship. And it's like I

435
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: was like, it made you feel like you could be

436
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: a part of run DFC. It made you feel like

437
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: if you tried, yeah, you might, actually they might, you

438
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: might You could probably do that, Like, yeah, I could

439
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: probably put on that hat and wear that cool jean

440
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: jacket and and and those sneakers. I like, you know,

441
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: I like the way they ended up. I actually just

442
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: talk to DMC recently in an interview like this, and

443
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: he's he's great, and he was telling me the way

444
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: that they ended up dressing like that was because that's

445
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: the way Ja jam Master J dressed in real life. Yeah,

446
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: and they saw him. It's like, he is the coolest

447
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: guy we know. Let's just dress like him. Wed infected

448
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: us too, you know what I mean. And and this

449
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: many years later, and like, but it's always something that

450
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: I keep with me because I feel like that's how

451
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: I want people who listen to our music to feel.

452
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: I want them to feel not like that they are

453
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: gazing at something untouchable, that that they're two. Here are

454
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 1: two guys telling you about about them, you know, their

455
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: lives that you couldn't possibly imagine being a part of it.

456
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: I like the fact that kids can, you know, I

457
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: hope that kids can kind of feel like, man, we

458
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: could be run the jewels, you know what I mean.

459
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: Like these guys aren't flashy, Like these guys are they're

460
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: not above us, you know. Um so I don't know.

461
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: That always stuck with me and that just got me

462
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: into it. That that was what got me into thinking

463
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: I could be a rapper, you know, like, oh shit,

464
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: maybe I can be a rapper. I mean I was

465
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: rapping a ten. So this is me. I've drug a

466
00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: pair of Adida shell talls without the laces. Fourth, that's amazing, incredible.

467
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: On field day with my dad, my dad got his feictured.

468
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: Maybe no shoelaces not on as a child, you're not

469
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: thinking maybe I walk? Yeah, I might have to be

470
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: able to walk. We'll be back with more from Run

471
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: the Jewels after the break, We're back with more from

472
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 1: Killer Mike and LP. What was the first home grown

473
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: hip hop that you heard in Atlanta? Oh, Mojo. Mojo

474
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: was the first one. Mojo was the first one eighty

475
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: two eighty three. I think Mojo works for the city

476
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: or something now and people still showing love. But Mojo

477
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: again was like my mother's style stuff, you know what

478
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean. The ship that hit Um later was still

479
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: more mothers size stuff was Raheim. The dream DJ UM

480
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: did well. DJ two was Holing else. So then you

481
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: get Roger I don't know any of these now I

482
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: got your comment. Then you got shot D, who was

483
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: a kid who was from Queens or the Bronx. I

484
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: think Jay might have been from Bronx, moved down south.

485
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: He was on Luke record shy y s h y Yeah, yeah,

486
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: okay exactly. So DJ Toomp, who later discovered a guy

487
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: named Ti and created trap music, was his DJ so too.

488
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: It's like fifteen sixteen years old. Right after that, you

489
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: got a guy named Sammy Sam who has a record

490
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: called Zone three. That's nimaz. It's like school of D's right,

491
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: it's hardcore, describes Atlanta and tech wood homes because I

492
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: don't know it and I'd love to let me just

493
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: pull it up. Trying to find it on YouTube too,

494
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: Sam here it is, yeah, man, yeah, I'm trying to

495
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: find a record. He's like boring his zone. That's why

496
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: on friend zone And that's no Lizzie. If you don't

497
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: like it, then I tell you catch your Flizie. And

498
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: it was so it was almost slick rick in it

499
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: in its lightness and Canadad but dead fucking seriousness of it.

500
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: And um yeah keylo to Me is the prototype for

501
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: the create activity that has become Atlanta. You know what

502
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And who officially gave us out sound of

503
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: course was was out outcast, but Sammy sam keylow success

504
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: and effect the hard boys, UM who does not get

505
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: enough credit. I want to play this and this is

506
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: UM get on Mafia, And I can say get on mafia.

507
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: Was they were? They were post outcast or right along

508
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: like right after them. But they had a record called

509
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: Straight from the Deck that I still think it's just

510
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: one of the greatest raute records in the world. So

511
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: these guys were from Decatur. And if you know anything

512
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: about Atlanta, Atlanta is the city of Atlanta. Then you

513
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: have surrounding areas the cat College Park, Whett County, so

514
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: Amigos or Winnette County for instance. The cator is m

515
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: Gucci Man East Atlanta indicate area Bluesy Twiny. You know,

516
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: so that's Atlanta. Man. We you know, we've been been

517
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: having fun a long time making dope shit. Atlanta Atlanta's

518
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: run ship. Yeah, you know what I love about Atlanta.

519
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: Though it doesn't run shit in the in the way

520
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: that it's been ran before. It doesn't throw his tail

521
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: around all others say throwing his tail around and gets

522
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: biggest doun in the yard. It kills itself every two

523
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: three years and reinvents itself, Like if you look at it,

524
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: just means you have a progressive music scene no matter what,

525
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: on all levels as progressive from from dudes like outcasts

526
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: to you know to to which goes into rock music,

527
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: which goes into do you know the rock star, which

528
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: goes into the snap movement, which shoudy Low does not

529
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: get his proper credit. Not only was he a rapper,

530
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: he was a person as a as a drug game

531
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: feeing that underwrote a genre of music, the whole snapping

532
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: pops it like he underwrote those groups much like Gucci does. Now.

533
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: Gucci deserves credit not only as a rapper, but just

534
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: as like a mogul. He really is propelled a lot

535
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: of careers. Man. I mean when I first heard Crunk It,

536
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: it blew my mind. I loved it, loved it. Mike,

537
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: Mike is a part of one of the seminal crunk

538
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: hits I ever saw. I ain't never scared you play

539
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: that to this day, Mike could literally go drop that.

540
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: But I used to watch your shows and be like,

541
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: damn this record is that was like one of the records.

542
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: I was jealous of it. Shit Like, yeah, no, I

543
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: ain't never scared. We rocked it a couple of times together. Yeah,

544
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed getting past that moment. Not like I

545
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: don't love it, but like, as a musician, I was

546
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: always one of my markers. I can I give enough

547
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: records that I don't have to perform. You know what

548
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: I'm saying, dude, You know how you always have records.

549
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: You just pray you don't have to perform anymore after

550
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, I'm not mad at it, but I'm

551
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: just like, no, but you just want to move on,

552
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: like you're just like it's every cycle of my career.

553
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: I've been able to shed a couple that. I mean,

554
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: here's the thing. We're super lucky to be in that

555
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: position that people consider some jams from different phases of

556
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: our career. I'd be important for us. But like, I've

557
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: never liked looking back, I'm all because it's always felt

558
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: like a waste of time to me. It was always

559
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: like I was always desperately looking for the next idea.

560
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: So there does come a point where you have to

561
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: reconcile with that, Like you have to, you have to

562
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: you have to become okay with you with even your

563
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: your your musical output from your past. You know, like

564
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: you have to make friends with it again, you know,

565
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: because it is a party. It's the same. It's like

566
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: it's like the same way. It's like the same thing.

567
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm learning about what therapy is, in other words, reconciling

568
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: with who you were so that you can understand who

569
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: you are now being cool with it, knowing that that

570
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: was what just happened. It wasn't that, you know, like

571
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: a real obsession guy like myself when it comes to music,

572
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: couldn't go back and listen to one of my records

573
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: and to hear a thousand things that I wished I

574
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: had done. I do the same. Yeah, I think everybody.

575
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: I argue with Scarface for an hour, first of all

576
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: about like he had, Like I couldn't believe he's unsatisfied

577
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: with his music. That's also the sign of why Scarface

578
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: has a thirty two year career no wack albums, and

579
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: style seems to be constantly progressing, because yeah, here we

580
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: are and we're forty four, Yeah, and we still like

581
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: we're here tweaking too, Like I literally for a months,

582
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: just like I hate that verse, came back and tweaked

583
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: two bars and love that verse because it wasn't about

584
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: the verse. It was about those bars weren't right. You're

585
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: not amazing how sometimes small details change your opinion of

586
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: a whole thing. And also how delicate when you do

587
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: catch something and then you try to improve upon it,

588
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: how delicate that balance is. And sometimes you don't even

589
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: know you breathe on it wrong and it goes away.

590
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: And you know, anyone who's been making who makes records,

591
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: nose that. Despite the fact sometimes that you might be

592
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: able to get a technically better version of something that

593
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: you did half the time, if not more, you just

594
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: don't want to trade it for what the original saw,

595
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: even if there was something that they fucked up. I

596
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: said a word wrong, but the rest of it is

597
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: so I can't, I can't. I'm just gonna have to

598
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: let it be what it is like that Kurt really

599
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: mean to say a mosquito my libido, I tell you.

600
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: Dizzy Gillespie. Dizzy Gillespie plays and sack. It was one

601
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: of the greatest hip hop lines of all time because

602
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: immediately it wasn't true. Yeah, it was immediately not true.

603
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: Is her first line but it was flies even as

604
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: a kid, and because I knew who Disney Gillespie was,

605
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: there's one on our new record, and it sounded so

606
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: good I didn't give a fuck to correct. Well, it wasn't. No,

607
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: I can't tell you whispers. It's an outcash reference. It

608
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: named the members of Outcast, and it expanded, Oh, he

609
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: but it's dope and I do not want to change

610
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: because it's so I was wondering about that. Yeah, no,

611
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: wonder because it's dope, funny. But Disney Gillespie plays the sack. No,

612
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: nothing more honest than saying that, because it's just completely alive.

613
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: It's just has nothing to do with anything. It's like

614
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: no truth and yeah, you're just and everybody who heard

615
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: it was like this, yep, he does because because you

616
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: just said that. Shit so cool. So fucking Disney Gllespie

617
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: plays the side. When we come back, we'll pick up

618
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: with a discussion about Killer Mike and l p's lyrics.

619
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: We're back with Round the Jewels. You've managed to straddle

620
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: a boundary between talking about serious stuff, talking about political stuff,

621
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: and also talking about gangster shit and crazy hip hop lyrics. Yeah,

622
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: how does it feel to to dance between the seriousness

623
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: of the message and the fun of hip hop and

624
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: love of hip hop. Man, it's one of the most

625
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: liberating things to be allowed to do because I loved

626
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: my public Enemy, I loved my NWA and those extremes,

627
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: and I love Bismarcki. Yeah you know what I'm saying.

628
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: And to be able to have a style as gangster

629
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: rap centered and based heavily revolutionary rap influenced by way

630
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: ape and park and and morality base in terms of

631
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: Southern lyricists like terms of face. Being able to be

632
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: that hybrid, it's been an honor for me because most

633
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: people you get accepted as the character you portray or

634
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: the part of the ego you personify. And my main

635
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: clubs like your shuts out the cubs, like you're in

636
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: the back back there. But because says Man, He's like

637
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: he never lets me forget. He's like, hey, you know,

638
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: you're lucky cuzz because you get to be you, he say, really, people,

639
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: just so just what I am on record is really me.

640
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: And that's not saying you know, I'm going out to

641
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: fight one hundred cops tomorrow, but like I am rebellious

642
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: by nature, I'm also a fucking total chokester and shit talker.

643
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: And if we sat in this room long enough, when

644
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm bored, I'm going to pick up a book and

645
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: just read until I go to sleep, you know, so

646
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: I get to be the kid I actually was, Like

647
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: it was weird for me growing up being a kid

648
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: understanding the economics of I want to go to the dance,

649
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't have sneakers sleep. He knows how to make

650
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: fake drugs. I can go sell them and my uncle

651
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: my uncle's neighborhood and doing that to get the new

652
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: nikes and the fake goal tie for the dance, doing

653
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: knowing how to do that, but still literally loving art,

654
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: like to the point I go to new museums and

655
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: and literally loving rap music and under like. So getting

656
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: a chance to be that on record for me, I

657
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: appreciate the fans for allowing me too, because I think

658
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: most human beings are that complex, and we don't allow

659
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: ourselves to become publicly. We present whoever we want the

660
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: public to think. We are interpret us ass and we

661
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: do not show our total or willing to show, and

662
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: were allowed to do it. I think that also for us,

663
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: me and Mike, there there are there are only a

664
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: few advantages to being in your forties and in the

665
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: current music land, you know, as a rapper. And you know,

666
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: we don't talk about it that much in Asia is

667
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: in the big deal, but what it is is a

668
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: collection of experiences. And we're we're at a point I

669
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: think when we're with our records and where we are

670
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: in our heads. When we met up, we just we

671
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: had the same we had the same perspective, which is,

672
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: we don't want to do records where we don't have

673
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: the room to make jokes or we don't have a

674
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: room to make to cry like, or we don't have

675
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: the room like like we we we don't want to

676
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: present ourselves and and we we're we're we just neither

677
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: of us ever really did where we were there where

678
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: we chose an idea and decided to make that one

679
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: idea exactly everything that we're supposed to do. Because if

680
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: you if you really have to be careful managed when

681
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: you're coming into this ship, if you're if you are

682
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: if you're doing that, if you are choosing a thing,

683
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: just a thing, and you're not punching out the walls

684
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: like with the you know, by definition, with the variety

685
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: of the different things that you can do. When you

686
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: present yourself to people, you you are in very much

687
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: danger of being a victim of the own thing that

688
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: you created, the thing that you present. It can come

689
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: back to destroy you, because if you're if you're an artist,

690
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: you're going to want to to say other things than

691
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: you are. Absolutely and that's literally what we do. I

692
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: mean in terms of as you know, on some human

693
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: shit like that's that you know, that's the art thing.

694
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: I think that's the modus operandi for an artist is

695
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: to be paying attention. And you want to you want

696
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: to make an artist or you know someone who loves

697
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: art is trying to make art expresses themself that way.

698
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: You want to you want to kill their spirit. Just

699
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: just tell them that they can't change, Tell them they

700
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: can't change, and and and so there's a delicate balance

701
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: between knowing what what what's awesome about what you do

702
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: and what people connected with, but also having no shame

703
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: about being able to just make like a really stupid

704
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: joke and then say some feeling good about it and

705
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: feeling great about it, and and and and and seeing

706
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: literally absolutely no conflict about doing then something really poignant

707
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: that is that actually does that meaning and the two

708
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: are completely related. Why, because that's us, man. We're we're

709
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: we're serious, we have we have real you know, real

710
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: terms of real thoughts and and and discussions, uh even

711
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: even in relation to our music. But we're also like

712
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, but but comedy and and and and sort

713
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: of a joyous perspective is just as much of a

714
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: of a of a joy for us and in what

715
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: we do, and so we I'm so psyched that I

716
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: get to be in a situation where we've where it's cool.

717
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: It's like, it's cool, there's no there's no expectation other

718
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: than to do it, to make it sound great, to

719
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: to do it. So that's real. So connects and that

720
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, and so and and and it's terrifying to

721
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: me to think that anyone would like stop us or

722
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't have you know, like there wasn't the room, No

723
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: one's stopping you. Of course, you know, it's a fear.

724
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: It's not about the world's out to get you. But

725
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: it's something that I'm really I'm really happy about that.

726
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: Like when I listen to me and Mike's music, I'm like,

727
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: I like this because these are people, these are not

728
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: not an idea different, Yeah, exactly. It's it's one of

729
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: the things that I see as a limitation for certain

730
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: artists who are very single focused in one place. After

731
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: they've made a couple of albums like that, it's like,

732
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: what's left to do that? Yeah, it's like we've done that.

733
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: It's like, now, what, Like, why is it interesting to

734
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: talk about the same subject again for ten more songs?

735
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not you know what I'm saying.

736
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: It's like, there has to be if to at least

737
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: be looking at it, even if it's related to the

738
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: same ideas from different perspectives. I agree, from all around

739
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: finding what's interesting about it now that wasn't there before

740
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: when you wrote a song about a similar topic. I

741
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: remember a song I wish I was a little bit taller,

742
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: wish I was a foller, wish I had a hour call.

743
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: That record was so honest to me at a time

744
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: where everything at the right time. Yeah, everything had been

745
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: so hard and hardcore that it was the perfect You know,

746
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: there's insecurity with being a teenage boy, you know what

747
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: I mean, there's insecurities with being a man here, and

748
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: that song did it and not in a whiny or

749
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: what we would be considering hip hop suck away. Like

750
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: it was just you know, it was very honest like

751
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: that that that that that that stope to me because

752
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: if you look at what rules and wrap now, it's

753
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: the world to that perspective, to to to like, I

754
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: look at the top guys now, the top guys that

755
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: have a sensitivity that just wasn't allowed when I was

756
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: that age, you know what I'm saying, And that's adult thing.

757
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: Now we're expressed in a different way, like we're giving

758
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: a sensitivity and then next we might be shooting a

759
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: dog on a porch, you know, just to make an

760
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: old lady cry. And in the ridiculous, ridiculous sense, Yeah,

761
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: we're half real. You know, there's a half of a

762
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: really human element or what we do that we're and

763
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: we really aren't a friend to tap into that. But

764
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: the other half is the Blues brothers fucking stumbling their

765
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: way across America and getting in the gunfights, you know,

766
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: and and why just because it's fun us. It's funny friends,

767
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's so you know, and and and

768
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: and I love that, I love I love like the

769
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: relinquishing of self seriousness, you know, like I don't. I

770
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: think that you're doomed if you're coming into art thinking

771
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: that you need to take yourself seriously all the time.

772
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: Like that's a fucking trap, Like that's you know, like

773
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: if you can't just pointing yourself and even saying like

774
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: saying something that you don't believe, you know, saying something

775
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: hilarious if it and not in the sense of like

776
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, but just being the ass, like letting yourself

777
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: for the sake of comedy be a complete fucking asshole,

778
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: of course, Like that's definitely in our wheelhouse, Like the

779
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: more asshole is the better. Like, you know, we sit

780
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: around and we just, you know, like, what's the fucking

781
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: the Danny Brown versus that verse that record or that

782
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: that my verse was all about. It was somebody I

783
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: had watched on some fucking shit that was just shitting

784
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: on black rappers and athletes, and I'm just like, god damn,

785
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: like you expect this from Fox News? You expected from it,

786
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: because I like, you look like my fucking on and uncle,

787
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: like how are you shiitting on me? And that's where

788
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: that verse just carved out rectly out of you know what, man,

789
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: fuck y'all, Fuck this shit, This ain't killing like the activist.

790
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: This is Michael fuck you render and and it is

791
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous. That record is an amazing record to Danny

792
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: and and Pegs. Yeah you had brought him me inesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

793
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: kicking with us. Yeah. Man, the beat very original beat, Yo,

794
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: it was. It was very original. It was wildest fucked

795
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: to figure out that ride. I like figuring out part

796
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: of the reason I think I proclaimed LP greatest rapper

797
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: producer in one thing ever, because I see him writing

798
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: them on the fucking ramps, and I see him developed

799
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: these beats into something but a lot of times to

800
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: beat saying an easy ride. Now the ride is doping

801
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: us there, but we have to find it. And you

802
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: seems at this point you come back maybe three people

803
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: are like, god, damn, that ain't it. We got a

804
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: sun about it on, Like, but that beat challenged me

805
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: to find a ride that I loved. I came out

806
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: of that motherfucker feeling like a better rapper, Like, yeah,

807
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: you know that's all y'all going on. I think you

808
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: told me the sample. Yeah. The beauty of the challenge

809
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: when it forces you to go outside of your normal patterns. Yes, yes,

810
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: because and there's only an elite group of motherfuckers that

811
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: can actually write, you know, give you know that that

812
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: like can find the pocket, you know, like because I

813
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: was listening to it and yeah, I had to be

814
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: like you heard Danny's Pocket and yeah, anyway, it's like, yeah, please,

815
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: I want to tell kids too, man, you know shit,

816
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: fuck music reviewers and who wrote what? Listen to the

817
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: song yourself and see what you think. I saw a

818
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: review of this record. It's not our record. I don't

819
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: particularly but besides thinking, I got a dope verse, I

820
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: don't have. I don't have much skin in the game.

821
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: But I saw a review give a lazy review on it,

822
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: like and I could and I went to to rap

823
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: lyrics or quote rap Coote or whatever, and I realized

824
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: he had literally just read the lyrics maybe listen to

825
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: the song once and only highlighted really what was in

826
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: the bars. I was just like, how lazy? And like,

827
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: what tripped me out about that punk ass reviewer is

828
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: he failed to acknowledge Danny's mister Servon shout out, which

829
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: in the no lining sectrum, if you really the Nolan guy,

830
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: you that's like to me, that's that rap nerd shit.

831
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm coming to you, listening to you because I trust

832
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: your punk ass and you not even rap nerd enough

833
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: to know, mister Servall. And then from a street perspective,

834
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: the most honest thing said on that record was when

835
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: Danny said he had to act like a thing to

836
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: get out of getting the rest. I'm just like this

837
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: niggas sings. You know what I'm saying, And that's what

838
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: you lose. When when Al hit the fucking triple Lindsay

839
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: flipp reference to Dad and the mom is just like,

840
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: how the fuck can you listen to that shit? And

841
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh man, I'm a sucking minds blown,

842
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then I think, and

843
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: the flow are so interesting over the beat it's jazz exactly,

844
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: exactly free exactly, it's free style. That was what the

845
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: beat to the beat made us find a pocket, and

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Speaker 1: everyone found a different pocket. It's three different styles. With

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Speaker 1: each verse you hear the beating a whole different and

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's to me, that's what's lost in the

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Speaker 1: and the now of like man, it was so new

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Speaker 1: and not on some super nostalgic it was all better

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Speaker 1: than it was just so new that it was fleeting.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know if it be around much longer, so

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Speaker 1: you took all of it serious, like not to the

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Speaker 1: point of art, just to like, let me learn this ship.

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Speaker 1: Let me learn because I don't know how like I remember,

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Speaker 1: and I know, you know, they said this ship's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be around the former and the years and then

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Speaker 1: just making music. How many years did I have to

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Speaker 1: get the same lecture from people, from old people telling

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Speaker 1: me every fucking time I fucking anyone found out that

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Speaker 1: I was doing this shit. It through my youth. You

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Speaker 1: had to endure the lecture. And that was that some

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Speaker 1: guy who knew, some older dude who just knew that

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Speaker 1: it was just a waste of time. Trust me, kish

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Speaker 1: and disco, it's disc it's disco. I saw it, I

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Speaker 1: lived through it, you know what I mean. And you're

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Speaker 1: just like, no, we even knew then. We were like,

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Speaker 1: you're wrong, you're wrong. It's a new form of fucking music.

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Speaker 1: I remember being told it wasn't even music because we talked.

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Speaker 1: Of course they still say that shit. It's like God,

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Speaker 1: still try and say that shit. And now yea, and

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Speaker 1: discoes not even gone for that man's everywhere right how

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Speaker 1: to fuck you not. Jason Donald sum on the Sunday

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Speaker 1: Smoking with your Wife Man. You know. Thanks to LP

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Speaker 1: and Killer Mike for taking time away from making their

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Speaker 1: new record to talk to Rick. Make sure to check

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Speaker 1: for it once it drops wherever you get your music.

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Speaker 1: You can hear more of their work together as One

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Speaker 1: of the Jewels and their solo stuff by listening to

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Speaker 1: our playlist for this episode at Broken Record Podcast. Broken

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Speaker 1: Record is produced with help from Jason Gambrel, mil Lobelle,

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Speaker 1: and Leah Rose for Pushkin Industries. Our theme music is

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Speaker 1: by Kenny Beats. I'm justin Richmond. Thanks for listening.