WEBVTT - #1089: Tucker, The Man And His Capitulation 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:04.750 Knowledge Fire. Yeah! 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.259 Dan and Jordan, I am sweating. 0:00:19.340 --> 0:00:20.520 Knowledgefight.com. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:21.260 It's time to pray. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.900 I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. 0:00:24.140 --> 0:00:26.700 Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.960 the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight. 0:00:30.070 --> 0:00:31.090 Dan and Jordan. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:32.190 Knowledge Fight. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:42.990 Need, need money. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, 0:00:43.050 --> 0:00:43.670 I'm Dan. 0:00:43.750 --> 0:00:47.949 I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, 0:00:47.990 --> 0:00:50.780 worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little 0:00:50.820 --> 0:01:07.370 bit about... Alex Jones. 0:01:07.660 --> 0:01:08.920 Oh, indeed we are, Dan. 0:01:08.940 --> 0:01:09.220 Jordan. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:09.539 Dan. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:09.820 Jordan. 0:01:09.940 --> 0:01:10.840 Quick question for you. 0:01:10.940 --> 0:01:11.220 What's up? 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:12.340 What's your bright spot today, buddy? 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:13.020 Why don't you go first? 0:01:13.740 --> 0:01:17.910 My bright spot is that my wife's mom, my mother-in-law, 0:01:17.940 --> 0:01:19.970 I suppose, she was in the hospital. 0:01:20.810 --> 0:01:22.550 She had some serious health issues. 0:01:23.530 --> 0:01:23.770 Right. 0:01:23.910 --> 0:01:25.250 Went to the ICU. 0:01:25.590 --> 0:01:27.430 That's the intensive care unit. 0:01:27.450 --> 0:01:29.290 Yeah, that's not what you want to hear whenever somebody 0:01:29.370 --> 0:01:30.870 is like full on 80 years old. 0:01:31.670 --> 0:01:34.310 But she had some surgery, they did some stuff, and 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:34.970 now she's out. 0:01:35.170 --> 0:01:36.200 That's wonderful. Right. 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:37.860 Or at least she's out of the surgery. 0:01:38.100 --> 0:01:38.300 Sure. 0:01:38.620 --> 0:01:40.900 As of now, I don't think she's fully left the ICU, 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:42.720 but she's getting out of the ICU. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:43.760 She's on the direction. 0:01:43.860 --> 0:01:46.300 You could still say that the care is less intensive. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.920 Yes, it's far less intensive now. So that is... a 0:01:50.940 --> 0:01:51.680 huge bright spot. 0:01:51.700 --> 0:01:51.940 Yeah. 0:01:52.060 --> 0:01:56.510 That's wonderful. When surgeries are required, it's always real scary. 0:01:56.570 --> 0:01:57.530 And yeah, even if. 0:01:57.530 --> 0:02:00.290 The surgery was great, you know, like anytime somebody has 0:02:00.330 --> 0:02:03.830 to go under your, you're like this, this is fucked. 0:02:03.870 --> 0:02:07.150 So there's all kinds of moments of uncertainty and you know, 0:02:07.270 --> 0:02:08.660 that's great. She's all right. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.560 Great news. Yep. Wonderful. Yeah. 0:02:10.700 --> 0:02:11.060 How about you? 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:11.700 What's your bright spot? 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.660 So look, I have to bring you down a little. 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:15.859 You have to pull on your collar here a little bit. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:16.820 I'm gonna chew on your ear. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.820 Uh, Did I do something wrong? 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:20.739 You did. Okay. 0:02:20.900 --> 0:02:24.750 So people may not know this, but before we record, 0:02:24.810 --> 0:02:28.350 sometimes we chat a little bit before we start the recording. 0:02:28.370 --> 0:02:29.170 I think we always chat. 0:02:29.389 --> 0:02:29.910 Yeah. 0:02:30.070 --> 0:02:33.530 But last time... Something happened that made an impression upon me. 0:02:33.550 --> 0:02:34.010 What was that? 0:02:34.310 --> 0:02:37.190 Well, we were talking and you brought up that you 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:38.579 had eaten some grape nuts. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:39.200 Yes. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.280 And I told you I've never had grape nuts because 0:02:42.660 --> 0:02:43.700 I don't like raisins. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.300 Right. Right. And then you had a full on. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.750 Panic about whether or not grape nuts have raisins in them. 0:02:50.790 --> 0:02:51.049 Sure. 0:02:51.330 --> 0:02:54.350 To me, I thought it made total sense because a 0:02:54.389 --> 0:02:57.170 grape nut would be a raisin. Raisins come from grapes. 0:02:57.370 --> 0:02:58.370 I understand the concept. 0:02:58.389 --> 0:02:58.850 Yeah. Yeah. 0:02:59.330 --> 0:03:01.270 Um so you looked it up and it turns out 0:03:01.330 --> 0:03:04.560 there are no raisins and grape nuts right right they're 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.100 called that for a mysterious reason there are no grapes 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.040 and there are no nuts correct yes and i felt 0:03:10.139 --> 0:03:13.260 horrible that i had made you doubt your sanity i 0:03:15.020 --> 0:03:17.579 regained it very shortly yeah but still it was it 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.470 was a moment i could see it in your eyes 0:03:19.660 --> 0:03:23.500 there was an intensity to that like oh no So 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.100 I decided to take it upon myself to try grape nuts. 0:03:26.210 --> 0:03:26.470 Yeah. 0:03:26.500 --> 0:03:28.589 Because you loved them, and now I know there aren't 0:03:28.630 --> 0:03:29.350 raisins in them. 0:03:29.410 --> 0:03:29.690 Right. 0:03:30.090 --> 0:03:30.590 It sucks. 0:03:30.990 --> 0:03:31.590 It's awful. 0:03:31.770 --> 0:03:32.750 Did you eat them dry? 0:03:32.770 --> 0:03:33.790 No. I had milk. 0:03:33.970 --> 0:03:34.290 Okay. 0:03:34.389 --> 0:03:34.650 All right. 0:03:34.690 --> 0:03:35.230 It's awful? 0:03:35.290 --> 0:03:37.450 Why is it awful? Shit. 0:03:37.490 --> 0:03:39.470 So boring. They are boring. 0:03:39.490 --> 0:03:40.690 No, no, no. Don't get me wrong. 0:03:40.890 --> 0:03:41.050 Yeah. 0:03:41.070 --> 0:03:42.090 They are very boring. 0:03:42.190 --> 0:03:42.390 Yeah. 0:03:42.530 --> 0:03:45.110 I didn't love it. I would much rather have a 0:03:45.150 --> 0:03:48.570 wheat flake or something like that, or some sort of 0:03:48.660 --> 0:03:50.480 granola thing than a grape nut. 0:03:50.580 --> 0:03:54.080 I think what it is, I'll tell you this. Extreme crunch. 0:03:54.660 --> 0:03:58.780 If you're a person who chews ice, when you're drinking 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:00.640 a soda and you crunch on the ice and it 0:04:00.700 --> 0:04:03.200 annoys people, if you're one of those people, grape nuts 0:04:03.220 --> 0:04:03.720 are fucking amazing. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.120 Yeah, why don't you go get a rock then? 0:04:05.220 --> 0:04:06.320 I mean, I understand. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:07.200 Chew on a rock. 0:04:07.300 --> 0:04:09.300 It's borderline what we're doing. Yeah. 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:14.420 I'm thrilled that they don't have raisins because I do 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:15.340 not care for raisins. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:15.600 Right. 0:04:15.900 --> 0:04:16.140 But. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:17.680 I. 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.980 Really am pissed about the name. Now having eaten them, too, 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.760 I'm even more mad. It just makes no sense. They suck. 0:04:26.900 --> 0:04:27.370 I hate you. 0:04:30.750 --> 0:04:33.290 Here's what I appreciate. I appreciate that you hate them 0:04:33.350 --> 0:04:35.310 for the right reasons now. 0:04:35.430 --> 0:04:38.010 Before, you didn't try them because you assumed that they 0:04:38.050 --> 0:04:40.510 were something that they are clearly not. Now that you've 0:04:40.630 --> 0:04:43.620 stepped into the future of Grape Nuts, you realize they 0:04:43.700 --> 0:04:44.500 suck on their own. 0:04:44.860 --> 0:04:48.380 Yeah, I'd much rather, I guess, see, I'm like, oh, 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:50.540 what's a comparable adult cereal? 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:51.400 I'm like, life? 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:52.620 No, life has sugar in. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:55.000 It. 0:04:55.060 --> 0:04:58.360 Yeah, that shit's just crunchy wheat. That's really what Grape. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:04:58.729 Nuts is, right? 0:05:00.700 --> 0:05:03.619 Anyway, we have an episode to go over today, Jordan. 0:05:03.779 --> 0:05:06.400 And it is not about the origin of grape nuts. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:07.400 God, if only. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.830 I do wish it was at this point. But we'll 0:05:10.850 --> 0:05:13.750 get into this and chat about something. But first, let's 0:05:13.770 --> 0:05:15.450 take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. 0:05:15.470 --> 0:05:16.170 Oh, that's a great idea. 0:05:16.370 --> 0:05:18.850 So first, shout out to Jesse. And thank you for 0:05:18.910 --> 0:05:21.109 listening to this nonsense with me on day trips and 0:05:21.150 --> 0:05:23.220 also turning it down when we roll the window down 0:05:23.260 --> 0:05:26.280 so people don't think we're freaks. Love you, sugar tips. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:27.740 Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.140 I'm a policy wonk thank you very much. 0:05:29.860 --> 0:05:33.719 Thank you uh next why does nolan the largest friend 0:05:33.860 --> 0:05:37.120 not simply eat the other friends thank you for showing 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.620 me this uh podcast and for being a great friend 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.559 since elementary school thank you so much you're now policy 0:05:41.580 --> 0:05:43.500 wonk i'm a policy thank you very much i. 0:05:43.490 --> 0:05:46.810 Love a futurama reference yeah sure sure i i got 0:05:47.730 --> 0:05:50.250 the use of the word friend yeah made me think 0:05:50.470 --> 0:05:53.750 of like nbc's friends yes and i was trying to 0:05:53.810 --> 0:05:55.400 fit nolan into there. 0:05:55.190 --> 0:05:58.500 Right no that's it's a joke about how the how 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.180 the friends should have how chandler should have eaten the 0:06:01.220 --> 0:06:02.520 other friend shit yeah i. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.120 Didn't get it i'm not a futurama guy no it's 0:06:05.140 --> 0:06:08.360 come out he's from omicron percy i right next all 0:06:08.380 --> 0:06:10.240 right love your show but hate when you play nick 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.520 fuentes clips his shrill whiny voice could knock down passing 0:06:13.580 --> 0:06:16.990 aircraft for the sake of flight safety At least modulate 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.770 his voice into something less ear-shattering. Chipmunk, Darth Vader, anything. 0:06:21.150 --> 0:06:22.810 Big fan, Alejandro. Thank you so much. 0:06:22.830 --> 0:06:24.790 You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. 0:06:24.810 --> 0:06:25.510 Thank you very much. 0:06:25.529 --> 0:06:27.549 I have terrible news for Alejandro. 0:06:27.750 --> 0:06:28.250 Oh, no. 0:06:29.750 --> 0:06:30.310 Oh, no. 0:06:30.450 --> 0:06:32.130 So we also have a technocrat in the mix room. 0:06:32.190 --> 0:06:34.390 So thank you so much, too. Has Dan got a 0:06:34.430 --> 0:06:35.570 new winter jacket yet? 0:06:35.630 --> 0:06:37.680 Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.380 policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and 0:06:40.420 --> 0:06:43.390 tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a 0:06:43.430 --> 0:06:44.570 bucket of poop. Daddy shark. 0:06:46.510 --> 0:06:50.490 Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. 0:06:50.750 --> 0:06:53.550 He's a loser little, little titty baby. 0:06:53.970 --> 0:06:55.270 I don't want to hate black people. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.120 I renounce Jesus Christ. 0:06:57.420 --> 0:06:58.240 Look. Yeah. 0:06:58.380 --> 0:06:58.680 Listen. 0:06:58.860 --> 0:06:59.020 What? 0:06:59.920 --> 0:07:03.010 I got a thin-ish coat last winter. 0:07:03.150 --> 0:07:03.390 Right. 0:07:03.770 --> 0:07:04.469 And it worked. 0:07:04.670 --> 0:07:04.990 It worked fine. 0:07:05.010 --> 0:07:06.770 For most of the winter. Most of the winter. And 0:07:06.870 --> 0:07:08.970 so I'm rocking that for now. Going to go for it. 0:07:09.550 --> 0:07:11.710 But as I'm getting out on the road a little 0:07:11.750 --> 0:07:14.660 bit more and maybe going to be doing some outdoorsier things. 0:07:14.700 --> 0:07:15.220 That's a good point. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.300 I do need to be in the market for a 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:19.080 sturdier coat. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.560 You're going to want an actual coat? 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:21.940 Coat. 0:07:22.060 --> 0:07:22.320 Yeah. 0:07:22.340 --> 0:07:25.360 If I'm going to go and hike some trails in 0:07:25.380 --> 0:07:26.940 the post-November months. 0:07:27.060 --> 0:07:29.240 Absolutely. Um, yeah. 0:07:29.340 --> 0:07:32.000 So look, look, look, I'm fine. I got a coat. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.740 Here's, here's what I think is great about your, your 0:07:34.860 --> 0:07:37.540 new plans, right? Is that you have only opened yourself 0:07:37.620 --> 0:07:40.380 up to more. Has Dan bought one of these things 0:07:40.420 --> 0:07:42.780 that he might need situations? Like, do you have a 0:07:42.820 --> 0:07:44.820 blanket for the back of your car in case you're, 0:07:44.940 --> 0:07:46.080 you know, I have a sleeping bag. 0:07:46.260 --> 0:07:46.990 Exactly. 0:07:47.070 --> 0:07:50.230 Like what more do you need? Do you have your towel, Dan? 0:07:50.510 --> 0:07:51.170 No. See? 0:07:51.330 --> 0:07:56.410 But I think that what's nice about this is that 0:07:56.570 --> 0:07:59.030 I will be out there on a trail. And I'll 0:07:59.050 --> 0:08:00.910 be like, fuck, I've got to get a coat. 0:08:01.010 --> 0:08:03.010 And then I will do it. 0:08:03.530 --> 0:08:05.370 It'll force my hand in terms of like, if I 0:08:05.410 --> 0:08:07.950 want to do this again, I'm going to die if 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:08.680 I don't get a coat. 0:08:08.740 --> 0:08:11.480 Well, I will say that I don't think that any 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:17.260 particular message from somebody has reached the level of technocrat. 0:08:17.900 --> 0:08:20.700 But collectively, the number of people who have tried to 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.470 remind you to have a quote, full-on technocrat status. 0:08:23.610 --> 0:08:25.290 Yeah, but honestly, if. 0:08:25.370 --> 0:08:28.470 I get a coat, then what? You're going to ask 0:08:28.530 --> 0:08:31.140 me about how the coat's doing? No, this is fun. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.280 People asking me if I've gotten a coat yet. There's 0:08:34.340 --> 0:08:36.880 only a will they won't they until I get a coat. 0:08:37.090 --> 0:08:40.050 Here's what I want from this. I need you to 0:08:40.090 --> 0:08:44.809 become a TikTok coat influencer now where sponsors send you coats, 0:08:44.850 --> 0:08:46.510 you wear them for like a second and go, hmm, 0:08:46.750 --> 0:08:47.730 and then put a new coat on. 0:08:47.790 --> 0:08:48.330 Pea coat. 0:08:48.429 --> 0:08:49.250 Yeah, that's what people do. 0:08:49.250 --> 0:08:49.790 This displeases me. 0:08:49.929 --> 0:08:51.839 Absolutely. Yeah, let's do the cane. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.400 Yeah. So Jordan. 0:08:53.620 --> 0:08:53.980 Yeah, Stan. 0:08:54.350 --> 0:08:56.250 Right off the bat, I need to call myself out 0:08:56.450 --> 0:08:58.010 for being completely wrong about something. 0:08:58.050 --> 0:08:58.370 All right. 0:08:58.790 --> 0:09:01.670 This will likely go down as big of a failed 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.420 prediction as the yay isn't going to come on InfoWars 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.160 time that people keep reminding me of. But I was 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.400 super wrong in my guess that Tucker Carlson would not 0:09:11.460 --> 0:09:13.699 be dumb enough to have Nick Fuentes on his show. 0:09:14.530 --> 0:09:17.970 But this week, Tucker made the wild decision to do 0:09:18.070 --> 0:09:18.810 that interview. 0:09:18.929 --> 0:09:19.870 Fuck me. 0:09:19.890 --> 0:09:20.910 Yeah. 0:09:21.010 --> 0:09:23.380 Did I not tell you that I wanted to have 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.219 a campaign start with me? 0:09:25.260 --> 0:09:26.620 God damn it. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.640 So on the surface, there's no reason to do this interview. 0:09:30.860 --> 0:09:32.939 And the choice tells me that Tucker is willing to 0:09:32.980 --> 0:09:35.449 make the bargain that comes along with buddying up with Nick. 0:09:36.050 --> 0:09:38.329 He's made friends with and elevated the voice of a 0:09:38.390 --> 0:09:41.450 Nazi purity tester, a guy who will use his audience 0:09:41.490 --> 0:09:44.660 to launch online wars against right-wing media figures who are 0:09:44.740 --> 0:09:48.160 too lukewarm. Over the past couple of weeks, Nick has 0:09:48.179 --> 0:09:50.540 been popping up more on shows that like to pretend 0:09:50.580 --> 0:09:53.250 that they're a bit closer to the mainstream, like Glenn 0:09:53.260 --> 0:09:57.610 Greenwald's show System Update what and patrick bet david's podcast 0:09:57.670 --> 0:09:59.500 oh my god a lot of this has to do 0:09:59.510 --> 0:10:02.040 with the fallout of the charlie kirk murder and how 0:10:02.100 --> 0:10:04.559 figures on the extreme right wing have responded to it 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.520 anti-semitic shit has become way more popular than it was 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.060 a few years ago and with elon taking over twitter 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.530 and throwing out all moderation standards That type of content 0:10:14.580 --> 0:10:16.860 is so much more on the surface than it was, 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:18.780 you know, just a number of years ago. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:19.220 For sure. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.550 As such, you have tons of different pseudo-Nazi creators who 0:10:23.590 --> 0:10:26.280 have popped up and they've built their own brands. But 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.329 a lot of it is pretty lazy stuff. Being a 0:10:29.350 --> 0:10:31.290 bigot is easy because all you have to really do 0:10:31.350 --> 0:10:33.490 is yell about how the group you hate is responsible 0:10:33.550 --> 0:10:36.130 for all the shit you don't like. What you say 0:10:36.190 --> 0:10:38.290 doesn't really have to make sense. It just has to 0:10:38.330 --> 0:10:41.080 feel right for a particular audience. And you have to 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.620 keep up your momentum. You can't stop. You know, you'll 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.420 look like an idiot once the, you know. 0:10:46.620 --> 0:10:48.500 If you're allowed to think for a second, you realize 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:49.000 you're stupid. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:49.839 Yeah. Wile E. 0:10:49.860 --> 0:10:52.070 Coyote only falls when he stops running. 0:10:52.090 --> 0:10:52.170 Yep. 0:10:52.710 --> 0:10:55.710 Being an ideologue is harder because sometimes you have to 0:10:55.790 --> 0:10:58.150 resist the easy move in order to stay true to 0:10:58.190 --> 0:11:01.910 a larger principle that you have. Knee-jerk reactions get you 0:11:01.950 --> 0:11:05.030 an audience that's one knee-jerk away from abandoning you, and 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.080 an ideologue has to consider that kind of danger. I 0:11:09.140 --> 0:11:11.960 say all this because Nick Fuentes shocked the world when 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.700 he resisted the urge to blame Israel for Charlie Kirk's murder. 0:11:16.540 --> 0:11:20.090 This is notable since he hates Israel specifically and Jewish 0:11:20.130 --> 0:11:23.790 people generally, and because Nick rose to prominence by trying 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.500 to destroy Charlie and Turning Point for not being anti-Semitic enough. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.660 Put simply, this was a meatball being thrown right over 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.360 home plate, and all Nick had to do was swing, 0:11:34.500 --> 0:11:37.479 and he was guaranteed a home run. But he didn't, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.160 and he even went so far as to criticize people 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.000 for jumping to the conclusion that this was an Israeli 0:11:43.070 --> 0:11:46.610 hit job. His reasons for staking this position make a 0:11:46.710 --> 0:11:50.030 lot of sense. Charlie was a longtime supporter of Israel, 0:11:50.150 --> 0:11:53.350 and there's no conceivable reason why Israel would want to 0:11:53.390 --> 0:11:57.870 kill him. Charlie's organization, Turning Point, is also largely pro-Israel, 0:11:58.150 --> 0:12:01.090 and he's closely entwined with the Trump administration, who have 0:12:01.130 --> 0:12:05.500 a mostly friendly position on Israel. Killing Charlie makes no 0:12:05.580 --> 0:12:08.640 sense as a primary objective for Netanyahu to have, and 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.340 it's a bad strategic move, even if it's just in 0:12:11.380 --> 0:12:14.180 terms of, like, you're doing an elaborate false flag to 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.540 make him a martyr, because... there's no guarantee that whoever 0:12:17.620 --> 0:12:21.140 takes over Turning Point would be as successful a communicator 0:12:21.260 --> 0:12:23.599 in the attention economy as Charlie. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:23.760 Yeah. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.340 There's no situation where you're Israel and you kill Charlie 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.240 Kirk that is winding up better than if you're Israel 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.160 and Charlie Kirk just keeps doing the same thing he's doing. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:33.420 Yeah. Yeah. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.780 It makes sense why Nick would approach this with caution, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.900 but the ecosystem that his content lives in now has grown, 0:12:40.260 --> 0:12:42.880 and a lot of other pseudo-Nazis didn't have the same 0:12:42.950 --> 0:12:46.230 take that he did. Because Nick was out there saying 0:12:46.250 --> 0:12:48.870 that he didn't think that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, a 0:12:48.929 --> 0:12:51.010 lot of folks in the right-wing media got the sense 0:12:51.050 --> 0:12:54.459 that he was changing his stance on Israel and Jewish people. 0:12:55.030 --> 0:12:58.280 Because everyone really understands that his criticisms aren't of Israel. 0:12:58.300 --> 0:13:00.640 Because they're all so fucking stupid. 0:13:00.740 --> 0:13:01.020 Yes. 0:13:01.340 --> 0:13:04.460 And because they all live in their game. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:04.819 Yep. 0:13:05.500 --> 0:13:08.500 This idea is addressed specifically in an interview that Nick 0:13:08.540 --> 0:13:12.610 did with noted racist coward street gang founder Gavin McGinnis, 0:13:13.250 --> 0:13:13.890 which you'll hear here. 0:13:14.780 --> 0:13:17.600 I feel like you've sort of switched recently on the 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:18.360 J's a little bit. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.569 Yeah, people have been saying that, but that's only because 0:13:20.620 --> 0:13:23.390 I said that Israel didn't kill Charlie Kirk. But I 0:13:23.450 --> 0:13:25.929 only believe that because I think that Charlie Kirk was pro-Israel. 0:13:25.950 --> 0:13:27.930 So that's you loving Jews in this day and age. 0:13:27.990 --> 0:13:30.430 Yeah, literally, yeah. 0:13:30.450 --> 0:13:30.830 Really? 0:13:30.850 --> 0:13:31.890 That's all it's based on? 0:13:31.929 --> 0:13:33.280 Yes. Oh, fuck. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.479 Yeah, isn't that crazy? That's crazy, because. 0:13:36.650 --> 0:13:38.860 You know, just sort of feeling like we all have 0:13:38.900 --> 0:13:42.040 our own personal AIs and just sort of feeling the chatter. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:43.740 I was like, oh, Nick's coming around. He's kind of 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:44.640 supporting Israel now. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:45.340 No, no. 0:13:45.380 --> 0:13:49.160 I just said that they didn't kill him, which is insane. 0:13:49.780 --> 0:13:52.700 So as Gavin said, everybody has their own AI and 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.280 he'd gotten some chatter that maybe Nick was warming up 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.839 to Israel. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.849 of people didn't get that misconception. In the attention economy 0:14:01.890 --> 0:14:05.010 that all these shitheads exist, there's no reason for Nick 0:14:05.190 --> 0:14:08.380 not to blame Israel. It's the only position he could 0:14:08.420 --> 0:14:10.979 have that's in line with what they understand his brand 0:14:11.020 --> 0:14:13.730 to be, so it's easy to see him not taking 0:14:13.770 --> 0:14:17.189 that easy position as him trying to indicate to the 0:14:17.270 --> 0:14:20.870 attention economy that he's willing to play ball. Up to 0:14:20.910 --> 0:14:23.230 this point, it's easy to see him as a toxic 0:14:23.270 --> 0:14:26.380 entity who just hates Jewish people, has cultivated a large 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.360 incel Nazi audience, and through that has built his own kayfabe. 0:14:31.210 --> 0:14:34.430 So many of these other right-wing media figures, they've created 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:38.380 their kayfabe off taking Nazi shit and repackaging it through 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:43.500 plausibly deniable language. But Nick's kayfabe works differently. He doesn't 0:14:43.540 --> 0:14:47.470 need that plausible deniability, so interacting with them forces them 0:14:47.540 --> 0:14:50.210 to shit or get off the pot. Do you mean 0:14:50.250 --> 0:14:52.530 that Nazi shit you're winking about, or are you just 0:14:52.570 --> 0:14:55.390 a bunch of winks signifying nothing and you're just trying 0:14:55.470 --> 0:14:59.550 to scam Nazis? He forces the issue in a way 0:14:59.670 --> 0:15:01.890 that A lot of them probably don't want. 0:15:02.150 --> 0:15:02.410 Yeah. 0:15:02.770 --> 0:15:06.670 No, I think it's hard to overstate this, right? 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.800 The position that he was in. 0:15:10.420 --> 0:15:13.400 Whenever we last spoke about him, and I said something 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.750 along the lines of like, I would like to, you 0:15:16.780 --> 0:15:18.750 know how they have those campaigns, right? 0:15:18.810 --> 0:15:19.730 The preloaded things. 0:15:20.030 --> 0:15:21.550 I don't want to do the stuff that it took 0:15:21.630 --> 0:15:24.070 to get to where he was a few months ago. 0:15:24.570 --> 0:15:27.630 But a few months ago, where he was, is positioned 0:15:28.230 --> 0:15:31.750 so well to do exactly what he is doing right now. 0:15:31.990 --> 0:15:35.150 And he's doing it. And it's fucking annoying because I 0:15:35.190 --> 0:15:37.430 could do it better. I could fucking do it better. 0:15:37.650 --> 0:15:40.030 I could kill these people. I would crush this shit. 0:15:40.290 --> 0:15:41.630 But I'm not a Nazi, Dan. 0:15:41.930 --> 0:15:42.650 Yeah, I don't know. 0:15:42.690 --> 0:15:43.370 Maybe you could. 0:15:43.410 --> 0:15:44.030 Maybe you couldn't. 0:15:44.190 --> 0:15:47.750 I don't know how well he's going to navigate all this. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:48.240 Yeah. 0:15:48.530 --> 0:15:52.859 Because I think that there is a side consequence that 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.880 we'll talk about later that maybe isn't predicted for. 0:15:55.900 --> 0:15:58.920 I mean, he's young. He's too young. That's going to 0:15:58.940 --> 0:15:59.300 be trouble. 0:15:59.500 --> 0:16:03.380 But because of this sort of breaking through the wink 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.690 of plausible deniability, Like Nick's proximity threatens to blow up 0:16:07.730 --> 0:16:11.050 plausible deniability. Like most figures in this world, because of that, 0:16:11.110 --> 0:16:13.170 they're wise to just steer clear of him. 0:16:13.250 --> 0:16:13.430 Right. 0:16:13.750 --> 0:16:15.980 It's not worth it to crack the door because once 0:16:16.020 --> 0:16:17.300 you do, it's too late. 0:16:17.460 --> 0:16:18.900 He's going to be in your house. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.500 Nick taking the position that it probably wasn't Israel who 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.540 killed Charlie Kirk has tricked a lot of right wing 0:16:24.580 --> 0:16:27.760 figures into thinking that Nick has entered their game. To 0:16:27.780 --> 0:16:30.080 be clear, it's not a case where all these right-wing 0:16:30.100 --> 0:16:32.950 figures are pro-Israel and now think that Nick is too, 0:16:33.070 --> 0:16:36.150 so it's cool to talk to him. That's not what 0:16:36.230 --> 0:16:36.710 I mean by this. 0:16:36.730 --> 0:16:37.150 Right, right, right. 0:16:37.350 --> 0:16:40.890 It's more that they believed him to be a blame-Israel-for-everything 0:16:40.950 --> 0:16:44.650 pundit who is essentially crazy, almost compulsive in his hating 0:16:44.690 --> 0:16:47.790 of Israel and Jewish people. By showing that he's not, 0:16:47.930 --> 0:16:50.710 Nick has made himself a more palatable guest option for 0:16:50.750 --> 0:16:53.350 some people who wouldn't have wanted to have him on before. 0:16:53.370 --> 0:16:53.470 Right. 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.240 And it doesn't hurt that a lot of mainstream outlets 0:16:56.260 --> 0:16:58.820 have run breathless pieces about him like they did about 0:16:58.940 --> 0:17:00.160 Richard Spencer in 2016. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:00.560 Yep. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.020 All hearts aflutter about the new clean-cut Nazi on the scene. 0:17:04.100 --> 0:17:04.760 Love Nazis. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.510 Nick's getting all that buzz combined with his public fight 0:17:08.590 --> 0:17:11.950 with the knee-jerk Nazis about Israel killing Kirk has led 0:17:11.970 --> 0:17:15.650 to him becoming far less scary for someone to interview. 0:17:16.230 --> 0:17:17.609 And that's not good. 0:17:18.650 --> 0:17:18.910 I mean. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.990 One thing that it should show beyond any reasonable doubt 0:17:24.609 --> 0:17:29.070 is that the people he is about to run roughshod 0:17:29.230 --> 0:17:33.990 over don't understand the even concept of ideological consistency. It 0:17:34.030 --> 0:17:37.119 simply doesn't exist for them because they would never it 0:17:37.150 --> 0:17:39.919 would never make sense for them for him to criticize 0:17:39.940 --> 0:17:43.700 or say it's not Israel because he's just a crazy 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:44.719 guy who hates Israel. 0:17:44.780 --> 0:17:44.980 Right. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.200 There's no possible way he has an ideology. 0:17:48.220 --> 0:17:51.270 He's leaving points on the table that he could be 0:17:51.350 --> 0:17:54.369 scoring and getting clicks off of, and no one will 0:17:54.410 --> 0:17:57.660 ever hold him responsible for being wrong or anything. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:58.260 Who cares? 0:17:58.300 --> 0:17:59.960 The idea of like. 0:18:00.660 --> 0:18:04.699 Okay, an ideology means that even when I have to 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.940 eat it, I am going to continue doing this stuff. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.450 Even when it fucking sucks, I'm going to continue believing this. 0:18:12.970 --> 0:18:15.390 Even whenever I am personally harmed. 0:18:15.710 --> 0:18:16.290 Right. Right? 0:18:16.470 --> 0:18:17.630 They don't get that at all. 0:18:17.890 --> 0:18:22.470 Well, that's one possible interpretation. But another possible interpretation is 0:18:23.030 --> 0:18:27.990 these people have largely miscalculated what his brand is. 0:18:28.010 --> 0:18:28.180 And.... 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:35.449 There is something really huge to gain in being classy 0:18:35.710 --> 0:18:39.389 about Charlie Kirk's murder as opposed to wallowing in, in 0:18:39.530 --> 0:18:40.550 rolling around in the shit. 0:18:40.730 --> 0:18:40.930 Right. 0:18:41.070 --> 0:18:44.780 And I think that he's, he's reaping the benefits of 0:18:45.460 --> 0:18:46.480 a longer game. 0:18:46.780 --> 0:18:47.000 Right? 0:18:47.300 --> 0:18:49.220 No, but that's, again, that's what I'm saying. 0:18:49.300 --> 0:18:53.159 The, the idea of it though, is the, the reason 0:18:53.180 --> 0:18:57.080 that ideological consistency has an advantage is that once you 0:18:57.140 --> 0:18:59.490 get to the situation where you're talking to the Tuckers 0:18:59.970 --> 0:19:05.470 or these larger people, um, Their waves are going to crash. 0:19:05.650 --> 0:19:10.220 You're actually consistent. No matter what they do, it's going 0:19:10.340 --> 0:19:11.600 to look like. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.420 Shit compared to you. I don't think it's full-on ideological consistency. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:16.869 Sure. But I agree with you. 0:19:16.890 --> 0:19:18.310 Well, I don't think he's capable of that. 0:19:18.510 --> 0:19:18.770 Yeah. 0:19:19.109 --> 0:19:23.810 I think there's a larger project that he's consistent to, 0:19:24.030 --> 0:19:24.450 let's say. 0:19:24.470 --> 0:19:24.570 Right. 0:19:24.910 --> 0:19:28.460 Than ideological consistency, because a lot of his shit doesn't 0:19:28.500 --> 0:19:28.900 make sense. 0:19:29.100 --> 0:19:29.820 No, no, no. 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.160 I mean, again, I'm with you there, but this just, like, 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:38.220 their fiction only exists so long as everybody is in 0:19:38.260 --> 0:19:38.860 that fiction. 0:19:39.380 --> 0:19:41.290 Once it hits a truth, you're fucked. 0:19:41.550 --> 0:19:41.720 Yeah. 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.250 For most of these people. I think Gavin is a 0:19:44.270 --> 0:19:46.889 little bit different, because I think he's on board with 0:19:46.950 --> 0:19:47.690 most of the shit that. 0:19:47.609 --> 0:19:50.060 Makes yeah yeah he's just a regular Nazi too. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.100 Yeah and like I well not not quite regular but 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:58.960 more white supremacist maybe sure but like the yeah the 0:19:59.580 --> 0:20:03.530 it's it's a it's a weird thing to welcome yeah 0:20:03.590 --> 0:20:07.480 for these folks you get and it's foolish it's So 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:09.760 Nick's made the rounds, and it all culminated in an 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.700 interview with Tucker Carlson, the guy who said that Nick 0:20:12.740 --> 0:20:15.359 was a weird gay kid in his parents' basement, the 0:20:15.380 --> 0:20:18.020 guy who said that Nick was a fed mere months ago. 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:18.220 Yep. 0:20:18.900 --> 0:20:21.060 And look, here's the bottom line of the whole thing. 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:23.080 It's not a meaningful interview. 0:20:23.100 --> 0:20:23.570 Of course not. 0:20:23.740 --> 0:20:25.869 It's kind of dull, and it almost has the vibe 0:20:25.910 --> 0:20:29.270 like Tucker isn't interested in challenging things Nick's saying while 0:20:29.350 --> 0:20:31.389 Nick is on his best behavior to come off as 0:20:31.450 --> 0:20:34.410 a normal, moderate type of guy to Tucker's audience. 0:20:34.430 --> 0:20:34.630 Mm-hmm. 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.119 Tucker apologizes for calling Nick a gay fed, and it 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.140 all kind of just felt like a puff piece for Nick. 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:40.580 Right. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.960 I intended to do an episode about the Tucker-Nick interview, 0:20:44.020 --> 0:20:46.340 but it was a snooze. So what I'm going to 0:20:46.380 --> 0:20:49.460 do instead is present some bullet points from the various 0:20:49.500 --> 0:20:52.480 interviews that Nick's done on this media tour that I 0:20:52.580 --> 0:20:56.080 think are my main takeaways that I think are actually important. 0:20:56.140 --> 0:20:56.880 All right. Okay. 0:20:57.550 --> 0:21:00.530 So what we're going to do is treat his entire 0:21:00.630 --> 0:21:05.379 tour as one gigantic interview with a bunch of rotating interviewers. 0:21:05.540 --> 0:21:08.340 Kind of because he does like he definitely has some 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.480 talking points and you can definitely tell like he's telling 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:12.680 some of the same stories. 0:21:12.740 --> 0:21:12.980 Right. 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.219 And like there's a little bit of message discipline between 0:21:16.260 --> 0:21:16.980 the interviews. 0:21:17.020 --> 0:21:17.280 Sure. 0:21:18.180 --> 0:21:20.719 But there are a few things that that are that 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.220 I find interesting even. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:23.580 Yeah. Even with that. 0:21:23.660 --> 0:21:23.780 Yeah. 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:24.399 OK, gotcha. 0:21:24.940 --> 0:21:27.439 So the first thing that I wanted to highlight is 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.010 the different strategies that are used by different interviewers sitting 0:21:31.070 --> 0:21:34.040 down with Nick. Each is looking for a different thing 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.530 out of the exchange, and you can really see it 0:21:36.670 --> 0:21:39.189 and how they interact with them. So first up, we 0:21:39.230 --> 0:21:42.150 have Gavin McGinnis, who has an angle that's the closest 0:21:42.190 --> 0:21:44.990 to what we've seen historically from Alex in terms of 0:21:45.030 --> 0:21:45.750 dealing with Nick. 0:21:45.770 --> 0:21:45.950 Sure. 0:21:46.470 --> 0:21:49.439 Alex has tried over and over again to get Nick 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.460 to just cool it on the anti-Semitism and start using 0:21:52.540 --> 0:21:55.879 coded language at this plausible deniability so you can better 0:21:56.020 --> 0:21:59.050 fit into the business model that Alex profits from. 0:21:59.180 --> 0:21:59.330 Sure. 0:21:59.960 --> 0:22:02.900 On first glance, it could appear that this is what 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:06.300 Gavin is doing too, but his angle's actually. 0:22:06.020 --> 0:22:06.920 A little bit grosser. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.020 His primary argument for Nick is that not all Jews 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:11.460 are bad. 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:11.919 Great! 0:22:11.980 --> 0:22:13.850 Which is what he's trying to say here. 0:22:14.950 --> 0:22:16.310 I just want you to be aware of how many 0:22:16.350 --> 0:22:20.250 Jews do not support Netanyahu's policies. And that includes Israel, 0:22:20.270 --> 0:22:24.330 that includes American Jews. My family's been terrorized by my 0:22:24.369 --> 0:22:27.830 neighbors who are disproportionately Jewish, but they're secular Jews who. 0:22:28.790 --> 0:22:32.970 They're atheist Jews. They are Marxists. They're Bolsheviks. 0:22:33.510 --> 0:22:36.149 You know, I think one big difference between you and 0:22:36.250 --> 0:22:39.170 I is when you think of Holodomor, you think of Jews. 0:22:39.590 --> 0:22:43.670 When I think of Holodomor, I think of atheists. And 0:22:43.890 --> 0:22:48.470 once you're an atheist and a communist, you're not part 0:22:48.510 --> 0:22:49.130 of a religion. 0:22:49.590 --> 0:22:50.470 Right. 0:22:50.990 --> 0:22:52.570 You're everything wrong with humanity. 0:22:53.650 --> 0:22:56.470 And that's who I want to focus the beef on. 0:22:56.630 --> 0:22:56.770 Mm-hmm. 0:22:57.470 --> 0:23:00.300 Because all these great Jews get caught up in the anti-Semitism. 0:23:00.450 --> 0:23:02.460 Like who? Like who? Like who? 0:23:02.580 --> 0:23:04.180 What the fuck are you talking about? 0:23:04.220 --> 0:23:04.440 Yeah. 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.300 So Gavin taking this approach reveals two things. One, he 0:23:08.340 --> 0:23:10.760 knows that Nick thinks all Jewish people are bad and 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.389 wants him to soften that edge. Sure. And two, he 0:23:13.450 --> 0:23:16.750 thinks Nick hasn't heard the atheist Jews argument a thousand 0:23:16.810 --> 0:23:22.210 times and not already rejected it fully. Unsurprisingly, Gavin gets 0:23:22.369 --> 0:23:24.429 nowhere in the argument and he ends up looking like 0:23:24.470 --> 0:23:27.210 an idiot while Nick basically just laughs at him. But 0:23:27.330 --> 0:23:30.090 I think there's one part of their conversation that stands 0:23:30.230 --> 0:23:33.989 out in terms of this is where their disconnect really is. 0:23:35.010 --> 0:23:36.629 And this is what I wanted to get you to. 0:23:39.230 --> 0:23:41.770 Jews are exceptional whites. When they do bad, they do 0:23:41.810 --> 0:23:43.990 exceptional bad. When they do good, they do exceptional good. 0:23:44.170 --> 0:23:46.430 When they do good. My daughter was born at Beth Israel. 0:23:47.070 --> 0:23:49.510 You know, Israel invents a pill that you swallow and 0:23:49.530 --> 0:23:52.570 it gives you like a reverse colonoscopy and you film 0:23:52.590 --> 0:23:55.650 everything going down. They're overrepresented in the Fields Medals. They're 0:23:55.690 --> 0:23:59.670 overrepresented in Nobel Peace Prizes. Yes, they're overrepresented in media 0:24:00.010 --> 0:24:02.229 and banking, as are the Irish, by the way. You've 0:24:02.250 --> 0:24:03.110 seen those memes. 0:24:03.090 --> 0:24:04.230 Of the Irish guy. 0:24:04.250 --> 0:24:05.690 Yeah, the Hibernian. 0:24:06.380 --> 0:24:10.280 So when I see these, I think Jews are really 0:24:10.300 --> 0:24:13.090 just whites who don't drink. If I didn't drink, I'd 0:24:13.109 --> 0:24:14.750 be right now. 0:24:14.990 --> 0:24:15.750 I agree. Yeah. 0:24:15.770 --> 0:24:18.560 Well, you're Canadian. I would change that law. 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:19.800 I'd be that powerful. 0:24:19.820 --> 0:24:21.940 Like Bloomberg giving himself an extra term. 0:24:22.060 --> 0:24:22.280 Yeah. 0:24:22.380 --> 0:24:26.109 They're like the Amish. Like they're just. Us at our 0:24:26.170 --> 0:24:27.910 purest in many ways. 0:24:28.310 --> 0:24:30.290 Well, I don't disagree. 0:24:30.350 --> 0:24:31.150 They are gifted. 0:24:31.630 --> 0:24:33.840 And I agree with you that a lot of anti-Semites 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.699 are reluctant to even give them their due because they 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:39.840 are brilliant. And that's how that is part of why 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:40.720 they're so powerful. 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:44.140 So this is truly what they don't agree on. They 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.320 both believe in white supremacy and wish to live in 0:24:46.340 --> 0:24:48.820 a country where all meaningful power is held by white 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.100 men and think that their beliefs are based on the 0:24:51.180 --> 0:24:54.010 natural order of the world. but they don't agree on 0:24:54.050 --> 0:24:57.350 whether or not Jewish people can be white. In general, 0:24:57.390 --> 0:25:00.609 Gavin likes what Nick does. He just wants to sand 0:25:00.650 --> 0:25:03.379 down some of these edges. If he were sincere in 0:25:03.420 --> 0:25:06.420 this motivation, this would be a really stupid angle because 0:25:06.619 --> 0:25:09.439 Nick knows damn well that his edges are the reason 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:10.359 he has an audience. 0:25:10.380 --> 0:25:10.500 Yeah. 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.460 The day he decides to soften his position on Jewish 0:25:13.500 --> 0:25:14.080 people and say. 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.440 Okay, I guess right-wing Jews are pretty cool. 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.520 That's the day his audience decides he sold out to 0:25:19.619 --> 0:25:21.600 Israel and this whole fucking thing collapses. 0:25:21.700 --> 0:25:24.640 I mean, the edges are my business. 0:25:24.790 --> 0:25:26.450 It's the only thing that matters. 0:25:27.430 --> 0:25:29.629 I am the place where you are not. The idea 0:25:29.670 --> 0:25:31.770 of me being where you are is a waste of 0:25:31.850 --> 0:25:32.409 my time. 0:25:32.630 --> 0:25:36.550 Yeah, so the very idea that Gavin is having this 0:25:36.590 --> 0:25:39.860 conversation with him Like, he knows Nick. 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:40.919 Yeah, it's fucking stupid. 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:45.689 Right, and it is largely predicated on this idea of, like, oh, 0:25:45.950 --> 0:25:49.310 I thought, like, because you didn't blame Israel for the 0:25:49.350 --> 0:25:53.070 Kirk assassination, I thought maybe we could get some business 0:25:53.109 --> 0:25:53.629 going together. 0:25:53.710 --> 0:25:57.010 I mean, it's so fucking stupid. 0:25:57.270 --> 0:26:00.970 It's so fucking stupid for another reason that it reveals, 0:26:01.450 --> 0:26:04.730 is that they don't have an idea of, like, an 0:26:04.890 --> 0:26:06.790 enemy that is an enemy, right? 0:26:07.109 --> 0:26:07.290 Right. 0:26:07.630 --> 0:26:10.109 Like an enemy that is your enemy is somebody who 0:26:10.190 --> 0:26:12.640 is either your equal or somebody at the very least 0:26:12.660 --> 0:26:15.140 who is working against you. And that means that to 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:19.320 fight them, you have to ascribe to them some tiny. 0:26:18.940 --> 0:26:20.000 Measure of intelligence. 0:26:20.580 --> 0:26:22.600 Otherwise, you're just making up a bunch of bullshit and 0:26:22.619 --> 0:26:23.770 lying to people like Alex does. 0:26:23.850 --> 0:26:24.270 Yeah. Right. 0:26:24.570 --> 0:26:27.510 So if your enemy is Israel, then you don't think 0:26:27.650 --> 0:26:29.770 Israel's that fucking stupid. 0:26:30.150 --> 0:26:31.869 Otherwise, why would they be your enemy? 0:26:32.650 --> 0:26:33.570 Sure, sure. 0:26:34.170 --> 0:26:39.280 And you don't, like, Israel isn't Nick's enemy. 0:26:39.430 --> 0:26:39.640 Right. 0:26:39.740 --> 0:26:42.040 And that's the sort of elephant in the room of 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:44.159 all this, is that he isn't anti-Semite. 0:26:44.260 --> 0:26:44.440 Right. 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:46.960 He doesn't just have criticisms of Israel. 0:26:46.980 --> 0:26:47.340 Right, right, right. 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:48.700 This is ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely. 0:26:48.740 --> 0:26:53.580 He talks about how, like, you know, there's Jewish problems 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:57.020 and stuff like that, and it's matrilineal, and, like, you know, 0:26:57.060 --> 0:26:59.070 he's not talking about the government or... Right. 0:27:00.330 --> 0:27:01.470 Or Israel, the state. 0:27:01.690 --> 0:27:05.899 But again, part of this conversation even includes this underpinning 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:06.940 of like. 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:09.780 Yes, you understand. 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.840 I'm not hating all Jews because I think they're stupid. 0:27:14.220 --> 0:27:17.500 I'm hating them because they're so smart they can control 0:27:17.580 --> 0:27:18.300 the world. 0:27:18.820 --> 0:27:19.060 Right? 0:27:19.540 --> 0:27:20.300 So if I'm. 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.939 Thinking these people are so smart, why would I ascribe 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:24.830 to them the dumbest possible shit? 0:27:25.030 --> 0:27:25.270 Yeah. 0:27:25.470 --> 0:27:27.669 Only if they're made up and stupid like your enemies. 0:27:27.810 --> 0:27:28.010 Yeah. 0:27:28.410 --> 0:27:32.010 I mean, Gavin is not that great, not that bright. 0:27:32.030 --> 0:27:33.170 Nope, not very bright. 0:27:33.270 --> 0:27:36.550 Kind of thinks he's funny and good for him. I 0:27:36.570 --> 0:27:37.469 hope he has fun on his show. 0:27:37.900 --> 0:27:39.160 They're Marxists. 0:27:39.609 --> 0:27:41.950 So Gavin knows Nick. So he has more of a 0:27:41.990 --> 0:27:43.929 reason to be familiar with the type of game that 0:27:43.970 --> 0:27:48.710 he would be playing. And I found the comparison between 0:27:48.770 --> 0:27:51.669 that and the next interviewer in our lineup to be 0:27:51.780 --> 0:27:54.540 really interesting. And this is Patrick Bet-David. 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:54.800 Right. 0:27:55.340 --> 0:27:57.800 Fans of our show will remember Patrick Bet-David as the 0:27:57.859 --> 0:28:01.359 insurance multi-level marketing scam guy who started a YouTube channel 0:28:01.650 --> 0:28:04.689 and interviewed a very drunk Alex Jones in a hotel 0:28:04.750 --> 0:28:05.909 room in 2017. 0:28:05.910 --> 0:28:07.250 Life's very fragile. 0:28:07.330 --> 0:28:07.930 Right? Yeah. 0:28:08.070 --> 0:28:09.310 And then Hillary is a vampire. 0:28:09.350 --> 0:28:10.100 Hillary is a vampire. 0:28:10.150 --> 0:28:10.710 And now I have a tattoo. 0:28:10.910 --> 0:28:12.220 And now I have a tattoo. 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:13.659 I have a Patrick Bette David tattoo. 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:17.220 You have a, I mean, in a roundabout way, yes, 0:28:17.260 --> 0:28:18.900 you have a Patrick Bette David tattoo. 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:19.300 Yeah. 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.399 So from there, he's become a big name in the 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.180 dipshit right-wing media space, and he prides himself on being 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.740 the kind of guy who will have a conversation with anyone. 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:29.790 Everyone told him not to talk to Nick, and that 0:28:29.830 --> 0:28:31.629 just makes him want to talk to him more. 0:28:31.690 --> 0:28:32.290 Oh, my God. 0:28:32.770 --> 0:28:36.530 So, PBD is a moneymaker, and that's, like, all his 0:28:36.570 --> 0:28:37.430 shit is really about. 0:28:37.490 --> 0:28:37.670 Yeah. 0:28:37.990 --> 0:28:40.890 Right-wing politics serves the interests of the people making massive 0:28:40.930 --> 0:28:43.410 amounts of money, and the right-wing audience is the easiest 0:28:43.450 --> 0:28:45.640 to make money off of, so it's a natural fit 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.800 for him. Pure and simple, PBD just thinks that there's 0:28:48.860 --> 0:28:51.480 money to be made off interviewing Nick, so he's doing it, 0:28:51.500 --> 0:28:53.960 and he gives zero shits about what he's presenting to 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.969 the audience. Hmm. In the interview, Nick complains about how 0:28:57.010 --> 0:28:59.430 people called him a racist for a video clip that 0:28:59.450 --> 0:29:02.230 got posted some years back where he says that people 0:29:02.270 --> 0:29:05.110 of different races having sex is degenerate in the same 0:29:05.190 --> 0:29:07.970 way that having sex with a dog might be degenerate. 0:29:08.210 --> 0:29:09.250 Yeah, that's racism. 0:29:09.330 --> 0:29:09.610 Yeah. 0:29:10.070 --> 0:29:12.730 So keep in mind, Patrick Bet-David describes himself as an 0:29:12.790 --> 0:29:15.290 Assyrian who was born in Iran and he's married to 0:29:15.330 --> 0:29:18.610 a white woman. With that context in place, here is 0:29:18.650 --> 0:29:20.470 a little exchange of the two of them. 0:29:21.970 --> 0:29:23.510 And how old are you at this time? 0:29:23.610 --> 0:29:25.750 Just about to turn 19. 0:29:25.750 --> 0:29:28.460 So you're still 18, and this is what's happening to you. Yes. 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:30.720 Got it. So what do you do next? 0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.200 So I have to defend myself. 0:29:34.300 --> 0:29:37.680 This video is going viral, and Ben Shapiro retweeted it, 0:29:37.690 --> 0:29:38.150 by the way. 0:29:38.830 --> 0:29:41.430 Ben Shapiro, quote, tweet. that Reagan battalion video. 0:29:41.430 --> 0:29:42.670 100%? Are you positive? 100%. 0:29:42.670 --> 0:29:45.640 And what did he say? This is very concerning. 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:48.820 Is that the video, Rob? Yes, sir. Can I see it, please? 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.160 Her in your daily existence by Jews. 0:29:52.180 --> 0:29:52.920 I told you yes. 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:54.100 Absolutely. 0:29:54.500 --> 0:29:56.340 You laugh at it like. 0:29:57.530 --> 0:29:58.770 How so? 0:29:59.490 --> 0:30:01.410 Would you say that me having sex with my dog 0:30:01.450 --> 0:30:02.890 is the same thing as me having sex with a 0:30:02.890 --> 0:30:04.860 black man? No. 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.400 But they would both be degenerate. 0:30:08.900 --> 0:30:09.040 Oh! 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.240 Well, that's a little bit, you know, that's a little 0:30:14.260 --> 0:30:17.260 bit harsh. Could be seen as harsh. What? Could be 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:23.030 seen as disrespectful. If I was an African American, I 0:30:23.070 --> 0:30:30.140 would be very annoyed, upset, frustrated. angry with you and 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:36.140 somebody who could say that is racist. And the average person, 0:30:36.330 --> 0:30:38.270 and I'm just talking to you, I'm trying to be 0:30:38.330 --> 0:30:40.650 really hearing you out. I don't have any gotcha stuff 0:30:40.670 --> 0:30:42.530 for you here. It's going to be very easy interview. 0:30:42.550 --> 0:30:43.090 You just did. 0:30:43.250 --> 0:30:44.760 You had one big one right there. 0:30:45.310 --> 0:30:49.650 That's kind of racist. I agree. Okay. But. But. Well. 0:30:50.030 --> 0:30:53.020 So what Nick said is super racist, and Patrick knows that. 0:30:53.060 --> 0:30:53.170 Yeah. 0:30:53.470 --> 0:30:56.720 He's afraid to describe Nick's words accurately because he knows 0:30:56.740 --> 0:30:58.760 that his audience can't stand it when you call a 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.980 racist thing racist. It's so woke to call racist things 0:31:02.060 --> 0:31:02.980 racist these days. 0:31:03.020 --> 0:31:03.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.520 Nick was saying that the intimacy that Patrick shares with 0:31:06.540 --> 0:31:07.460 his wife is. 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:08.940 An act of degeneracy. 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:09.040 Yep. 0:31:09.770 --> 0:31:13.110 So PBD gives Nick all the opportunities to excuse his 0:31:13.150 --> 0:31:17.100 comments as youthful indiscretions that were unfortunately caught on camera. 0:31:17.450 --> 0:31:20.120 But Nick doesn't really want to apologize for what he said, 0:31:20.460 --> 0:31:24.180 which leads to Patrick Bette David just directly asking him 0:31:24.340 --> 0:31:26.400 if he believes what he said in that clip. 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:26.640 Great. 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.760 And it was in that moment I defended myself very 0:31:29.820 --> 0:31:32.580 strongly because they tried to use this clip. And by they, 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:36.900 I'm talking about Ben Shapiro, Cassie Dillon, Cabot Phillips. They 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.840 think they've got it, and now I'm canceled from the movement. 0:31:40.420 --> 0:31:42.960 So I took that, and, you know, of course they're 0:31:42.980 --> 0:31:45.200 expecting you to go out and apologize. They're expecting you 0:31:45.220 --> 0:31:47.520 to go out and say, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have 0:31:47.540 --> 0:31:49.860 said that. But I said, you know what, I'm not 0:31:49.940 --> 0:31:53.620 sorry because this is a political attack. This is not 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:55.920 some kind of good faith. You know, because you said 0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.640 the comment is racist, and would I phrase it that 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.510 way if I was saying it in an official public capacity? 0:32:01.610 --> 0:32:01.790 No. 0:32:02.150 --> 0:32:03.390 But we tend not to. 0:32:03.350 --> 0:32:06.210 Do those things when we think we're in private, in confidence. 0:32:06.850 --> 0:32:09.610 you kind of understand that there's some discretion there. And 0:32:09.630 --> 0:32:12.250 that's not to say that I thought I could get 0:32:12.310 --> 0:32:14.970 away with it, but we don't speak in a lawyerly 0:32:15.050 --> 0:32:16.190 way when we're among friends. 0:32:16.210 --> 0:32:16.830 Do you believe that? 0:32:16.890 --> 0:32:17.770 You don't believe that, though. 0:32:18.490 --> 0:32:19.650 What, that it's degenerate? 0:32:19.690 --> 0:32:19.820 Yeah. 0:32:20.490 --> 0:32:22.140 I wouldn't say it's immoral. I don't know that I 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.180 would say degenerate, but I would say it's contrary to 0:32:24.220 --> 0:32:24.740 my values. 0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:27.220 How much are you saying that in that moment because 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:28.820 you're trying to be a shock jock and you're trying 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:29.440 to get attention? 0:32:29.500 --> 0:32:31.980 I wasn't trying to be shock jock. Think about the 0:32:32.020 --> 0:32:35.140 question that was posed. Let's just back. I want to 0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:38.110 know what you think about this. We're in a private conversation. 0:32:38.150 --> 0:32:41.210 A girl takes her phone out, starts secretly recording and says, 0:32:41.650 --> 0:32:43.510 is having sex with a black man the same as 0:32:43.550 --> 0:32:44.550 having sex with a dog? 0:32:44.590 --> 0:32:45.970 Did you know she was doing that or no? 0:32:46.030 --> 0:32:46.410 I didn't know. 0:32:46.650 --> 0:32:48.740 OK, yeah. Well, listen. 0:32:49.500 --> 0:32:49.660 Yeah. 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:51.740 What is that? That's a setup. 0:32:52.020 --> 0:32:55.120 Nick, I'm talking to you in a way as if 0:32:55.140 --> 0:32:57.780 you're my nephew or my son. Not in a don't 0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.239 take it as I'm I'm this to you. I'm not 0:33:00.310 --> 0:33:02.969 doing that. I'm just talking to you as I'm. I'm 0:33:03.030 --> 0:33:05.880 new to this game. I'm a business guy, so when 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.300 I hear the histories, I don't know everyone's histories. You 0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:09.300 don't know what you're talking about. 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:09.780 You're right. 0:33:09.900 --> 0:33:12.660 We don't know the history of everybody, but we're willing 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:13.740 to learn. We'll talk to everybody. 0:33:14.300 --> 0:33:16.719 We're willing to be lied to by everybody. So the 0:33:16.780 --> 0:33:19.920 answer to Patrick's question is yes. Nick does believe that 0:33:19.940 --> 0:33:22.660 people of different races having sex is degenerate. He can 0:33:22.700 --> 0:33:26.310 try to substitute in synonyms like against my values or whatever, 0:33:26.370 --> 0:33:27.870 but that's all just rhetorical games. 0:33:27.950 --> 0:33:28.130 Right. 0:33:28.740 --> 0:33:31.690 Nick would have expressed his racism more mysteriously if he 0:33:31.750 --> 0:33:34.370 knew that someone was recording him and he regrets that 0:33:34.430 --> 0:33:37.450 this boring, direct racist moment was caught on camera. 0:33:37.470 --> 0:33:37.630 Yeah. 0:33:38.190 --> 0:33:41.360 PBD's interview has a lot of this kind of where 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.660 he wants to come off like a cool old timer 0:33:43.980 --> 0:33:46.940 and cash in on whatever heat Nick has at the moment. 0:33:46.980 --> 0:33:47.120 Yeah. 0:33:47.580 --> 0:33:50.660 Thus, it should come as no surprise that this interview 0:33:50.700 --> 0:33:54.380 was released along with Nick becoming an expert who's available 0:33:54.420 --> 0:33:59.690 for consultation on Patrick's expert consultation website, Manect. The interview 0:33:59.810 --> 0:34:02.810 ends with this plug. When people say, what do you 0:34:02.830 --> 0:34:04.030 think is going to happen? I think we're going to 0:34:04.050 --> 0:34:06.230 have a great conversation. It was exactly what I thought 0:34:06.250 --> 0:34:07.450 it was going to be. I thought it was going 0:34:07.470 --> 0:34:08.290 to be a great conversation. 0:34:08.630 --> 0:34:09.250 I'm glad to hear it. 0:34:09.450 --> 0:34:10.529 Anytime. Thank you, man. 0:34:10.550 --> 0:34:11.200 Thanks for having me. 0:34:11.230 --> 0:34:15.580 Anytime. And I think you are on Manect, right? I 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:17.020 think you are on Manect as well, but people can 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:18.490 ask you questions if I'm not mistaken. 0:34:18.530 --> 0:34:20.390 I think we're going to set it up now. I'm 0:34:20.410 --> 0:34:21.029 not there yet, though. 0:34:21.070 --> 0:34:24.690 Fantastic. All right. So, guys, we're going to put his 0:34:24.730 --> 0:34:27.149 contact information below to get a hold of him. Having 0:34:27.190 --> 0:34:28.930 said that, take care, everybody. Bye-bye, bye-bye. 0:34:29.739 --> 0:34:31.100 Hi, I'm Nick Fuentes. 0:34:31.140 --> 0:34:33.000 If you want to text me or call me or 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:34.640 ask me a question, you can find. 0:34:34.460 --> 0:34:35.460 Me on Manect. 0:34:36.190 --> 0:34:38.770 So Manect is a website kind of like Cameo, but 0:34:38.850 --> 0:34:42.210 popular populated by right wing media lunatics. 0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:42.550 Gotcha. 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:44.900 And it's run by Patrick Bet David. It's not a 0:34:44.940 --> 0:34:47.920 free service. So Nick shooting a commercial for this page 0:34:48.060 --> 0:34:50.380 on there for Patrick to run. It's part of a 0:34:50.420 --> 0:34:53.219 financial relationship that they have. I'm not saying it's like 0:34:53.260 --> 0:34:56.910 an exclusive contract that they have or anything like I'm 0:34:56.930 --> 0:34:58.250 not even saying that Patrick's. 0:34:58.510 --> 0:35:00.890 It's another revenue stream for Nick. 0:35:00.950 --> 0:35:02.110 They have some arrangement. 0:35:02.170 --> 0:35:03.130 Yeah, for sure. 0:35:03.230 --> 0:35:03.350 Yeah. 0:35:03.850 --> 0:35:06.069 So Patrick didn't give a single shit about what Nick 0:35:06.110 --> 0:35:08.730 said or thinks. He just wants to make money with him, 0:35:08.810 --> 0:35:12.520 and that's what this interview really was about. Also, side point, 0:35:12.739 --> 0:35:15.900 Manect lets you book guests for podcasts, and some of 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:20.730 their rates are insane. Former NFL star Terrell Owens charges 0:35:20.730 --> 0:35:24.489 $ 15, 000 for a half hour, which is high, but he's 0:35:24.510 --> 0:35:24.910 a star. 0:35:25.030 --> 0:35:26.330 He's Terrell Owens. 0:35:26.510 --> 0:35:27.010 Yeah. 0:35:27.370 --> 0:35:31.839 Patrick Bet David charges $ 48, 000 for a half hour, which 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.420 just screams, I don't want to be on your podcast. 0:35:34.620 --> 0:35:36.000 That's a big, that's just no. 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:36.920 Yeah. 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:38.219 That's like how. 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.100 There were a couple of bookers where it was like, 0:35:42.820 --> 0:35:45.319 I know that you're trying to book me. 0:35:45.550 --> 0:35:46.010 Guess what? 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.629 Now it costs a lot more because I really want 0:35:48.670 --> 0:35:51.029 to just say no, but this is not saying no. 0:35:51.350 --> 0:35:51.730 Yeah. 0:35:52.030 --> 0:35:55.049 And it makes me look really fucking in demand that 0:35:55.150 --> 0:35:57.610 this is my rate and no one pays it. 0:35:57.690 --> 0:35:58.150 Actually, double it. 0:35:58.770 --> 0:36:01.730 Double it, and then double it again. And if you're 0:36:01.750 --> 0:36:03.770 willing to pay that, fuck me, I'll do it. But 0:36:03.890 --> 0:36:05.759 I really just want to not do it. 0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:09.620 Who the fuck is paying $ 50, 000 for Patrick Bet David 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.200 to do a half hour on their podcast? 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:15.719 He does so much stuff for free. And it's worth 0:36:15.820 --> 0:36:16.549 less than that. 0:36:16.730 --> 0:36:17.050 Yeah. 0:36:17.190 --> 0:36:17.370 Yeah. 0:36:17.940 --> 0:36:19.859 He's interviewing Nick Fuentes for fuck's sake. 0:36:20.489 --> 0:36:25.229 I mean, do these people just refuse to learn anything ever? 0:36:25.590 --> 0:36:30.530 Because treating this like your nephew is how you, it's okay. 0:36:30.570 --> 0:36:34.580 So a wasp lays its eggs inside of your body 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:36.760 and then the larva eats. 0:36:36.620 --> 0:36:39.279 You from the inside until you are dead. 0:36:39.620 --> 0:36:39.819 Right. 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.739 Like treating the wasp as your nephew is not the 0:36:42.780 --> 0:36:45.239 way to, to avoid having eggs laid inside of you 0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:46.430 and being eaten inside out. 0:36:46.590 --> 0:36:49.230 No, it's letting your guard down a little bit and 0:36:49.489 --> 0:36:51.330 being like, hey, look, I'm new to this game. I 0:36:51.350 --> 0:36:53.810 don't know anybody. I'm willing to talk to everybody. 0:36:53.830 --> 0:36:54.109 Jesus Christ. 0:36:54.130 --> 0:36:55.989 Like I said, it's just like, yes, you are just 0:36:56.050 --> 0:36:59.529 going to straight up be lied to over and over 0:36:59.570 --> 0:37:02.510 and over again because you have no critical engagement. 0:37:02.650 --> 0:37:03.210 I don't care. 0:37:03.370 --> 0:37:03.930 Wasps. 0:37:04.290 --> 0:37:08.770 Wasps, man. So next up, we have Glenn Greenwald, your favorite. 0:37:08.790 --> 0:37:10.150 My fucking buddy. 0:37:10.469 --> 0:37:13.870 So Greenwald takes a different kind of approach than Gavin 0:37:14.010 --> 0:37:17.290 or Patrick Bat-David because he He seems very invested in 0:37:17.390 --> 0:37:18.810 Nick thinking that he's cool. 0:37:18.989 --> 0:37:19.129 Yeah. 0:37:19.590 --> 0:37:23.370 His interview unsurprisingly begins with connecting something from Nick's past 0:37:23.489 --> 0:37:26.070 to an issue that Glenn has defended over the years. 0:37:26.350 --> 0:37:29.759 And then it dives into some strong insinuations that the 0:37:30.030 --> 0:37:33.719 act of interviewing Nick reveals what a brave guy Glenn is. 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:34.540 Couldn't believe that. 0:37:35.420 --> 0:37:36.540 But I do want to spend a little bit of 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.920 time first on what seems to me to be the 0:37:38.980 --> 0:37:43.380 radically transformed trajectory of you as As a person in 0:37:43.420 --> 0:37:47.650 our political discourse and our media ecosystem. And I'll just 0:37:47.670 --> 0:37:48.870 share with you an antidote. I don't know if I 0:37:48.910 --> 0:37:50.669 ever told you this before, but I think the first 0:37:50.730 --> 0:37:52.450 time when I really paid attention to you, I think 0:37:52.489 --> 0:37:53.950 the first time when I really talked about you, it 0:37:53.969 --> 0:37:56.910 was like 2020. You had tried to board a plane 0:37:57.550 --> 0:38:01.170 and found that you had been placed without any due process, 0:38:01.250 --> 0:38:04.190 any kind of notice on a government no fly list. 0:38:04.870 --> 0:38:06.430 And I was somebody who had spent, you know, many 0:38:06.450 --> 0:38:08.380 years in the war on terror, denouncing the no fly 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.509 list for all of its authoritarian practices. And I think 0:38:11.530 --> 0:38:14.750 it manifested publicly, you know, about why is Nick Fuentes, 0:38:14.989 --> 0:38:18.390 with no charges, no process, prohibited from flying? He's an 0:38:18.410 --> 0:38:19.170 American citizen. 0:38:19.190 --> 0:38:20.790 Say more words. 0:38:20.850 --> 0:38:24.270 And I'm not kidding. I was deluged with people in 0:38:24.330 --> 0:38:27.510 email and DM, even in phone calls, like major conservative figures. 0:38:28.170 --> 0:38:30.760 And not even like the super pro-establishment ones, even people 0:38:30.780 --> 0:38:32.680 who are kind of on the fringes of the more 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:36.279 anti saying, look, I'm warning you don't have anything to 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.540 do with Nick Fuentes. He's bad news. Don't talk about him. 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.489 Don't believe him. There was really a very strong effort 0:38:43.550 --> 0:38:45.930 in the conservative movement to just make you disappear. I 0:38:46.510 --> 0:38:48.230 was really surprised. I don't think I ever got pushed 0:38:48.250 --> 0:38:51.130 back like that before. And yet here we are, you know, 0:38:51.170 --> 0:38:52.470 I guess just a few years later. 0:38:52.489 --> 0:38:53.589 Yeah, here we are. 0:38:53.610 --> 0:38:55.490 I didn't listen to sound advice. 0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:56.740 Jesus Christ. 0:38:57.110 --> 0:39:00.350 Yeah, because there is like a conspiratorial, like, oh, they're 0:39:00.370 --> 0:39:02.960 all trying to crush him. Or there's a bunch of 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:07.950 people who recognize this dude is going to fuck you up. 0:39:09.890 --> 0:39:12.290 He's going, yeah, he's going to, once he gets in 0:39:12.330 --> 0:39:14.350 the door, start living in your house. 0:39:14.450 --> 0:39:19.500 Because Glenn Greenwald can't do anything other than talk about 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:23.280 Glenn Greenwald. 0:39:23.860 --> 0:39:25.410 It was insufferable. 0:39:25.850 --> 0:39:26.629 I believe you. 0:39:26.910 --> 0:39:30.719 Whenever we listened to him quote unquote interview Alex, which 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:32.900 was just him saying things about himself. 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:34.120 A lot of it was. 0:39:34.260 --> 0:39:36.860 And then like giving Alex a pause. Like that was 0:39:36.900 --> 0:39:38.160 his question. Like, I'm great. 0:39:39.030 --> 0:39:42.200 Yeah, I'm great because I have the largest to talk 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.540 to someone like you who everyone else thinks is dangerous 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.390 to talk to. But I get it. 0:39:47.700 --> 0:39:50.000 I get it. I'm cool. I'm very smart. 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.239 If you had any power, you would kill me. So 0:39:53.340 --> 0:39:57.440 hopefully we can do this, but you never get any 0:39:57.540 --> 0:39:59.860 actual power. Because I get money when we do this, 0:39:59.940 --> 0:40:01.200 but when you get power, I die. 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:02.160 Well, it's interesting you. 0:40:02.140 --> 0:40:05.000 Say that because I also think that this interview was 0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:10.140 largely themed around Glenn insisting that he's cool. Like, you know, 0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:12.109 that whole thing that you'd probably kill me if you. 0:40:12.030 --> 0:40:13.950 Were in charge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He gets it. 0:40:14.190 --> 0:40:16.060 That's just fun. That's just fun. 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:16.719 That is just fun. 0:40:16.739 --> 0:40:17.739 That's just fun stuff that Nick does. 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:18.359 To exterminate people. 0:40:18.980 --> 0:40:21.640 I've been watching your work for some time, and you 0:40:21.660 --> 0:40:25.400 definitely had a kind of gravity and even like a 0:40:25.420 --> 0:40:30.109 gravitas about the Charlie Kirk assassination and how you had 0:40:30.150 --> 0:40:32.569 to figure out how to talk about it afterwards, even 0:40:32.610 --> 0:40:34.210 taking a night off to kind of reflect on it 0:40:34.230 --> 0:40:35.830 that I hadn't quite seen from you before. And I 0:40:35.850 --> 0:40:37.890 want to get into a little bit about why that was. 0:40:37.950 --> 0:40:42.530 Before we do, just on this topic of... The trajectory 0:40:42.590 --> 0:40:45.370 and what may be the evolution, you know, obviously, you 0:40:45.410 --> 0:40:47.130 know that if I have you on my show or 0:40:47.170 --> 0:40:50.390 if anyone has you on on their show, they're going 0:40:50.410 --> 0:40:53.780 to hear, you know, kind of the highlights or the lowlights, 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:55.640 as it might be of Nick Flint has. Like, here's 0:40:55.660 --> 0:40:57.219 what he said about black people and here's what he 0:40:57.260 --> 0:40:59.020 said about Jews and here's what he said about this 0:40:59.060 --> 0:41:02.680 group and that group and this group. And because you're 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:04.180 on the air a lot and because some of it 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.340 is kind of an ironic humor that you have with 0:41:07.380 --> 0:41:09.540 your audience, which I think most people in real life 0:41:10.140 --> 0:41:12.770 is how they speak. And part of the appeal, if 0:41:12.930 --> 0:41:14.350 you're doing well on the internet, is the fact that 0:41:14.370 --> 0:41:16.410 you are being a real person. You're not presenting one 0:41:16.489 --> 0:41:20.290 fake artificial public face with a different private character. 0:41:20.469 --> 0:41:20.750 Like me. 0:41:20.790 --> 0:41:23.969 I think that's given people, in one way, that's been 0:41:24.010 --> 0:41:25.630 very good for you. It's been part of your appeal. 0:41:25.650 --> 0:41:27.469 But in another way, it's given people a very easy 0:41:27.510 --> 0:41:29.799 way to demonize and attack you by taking these quotes. 0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:33.640 That can sound not just very racist, but very almost 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.600 like Nazi like and a kind of an extermination rhetoric. 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:40.840 Oh, it can sound that way. But see, Glenn sees 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.500 through it. He's not he doesn't have the woke mind virus. 0:41:44.900 --> 0:41:47.100 So he can see that Nick's having fun. He's just 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.390 having fun. He's shooting from the hip. And sometimes he 0:41:49.430 --> 0:41:52.170 talks about exterminating people. And you know what? That just 0:41:52.210 --> 0:41:52.910 makes him real. 0:41:54.650 --> 0:41:56.490 I will tell you this. Do you know what happened 0:41:56.530 --> 0:41:58.430 to my brain while this was going on? 0:41:58.469 --> 0:41:59.029 Superpowers? 0:41:59.070 --> 0:42:00.090 While he was talking. 0:42:00.190 --> 0:42:01.050 Superpowers. Wrong. 0:42:01.090 --> 0:42:01.410 Claws? 0:42:01.570 --> 0:42:02.770 The furthest from it. 0:42:02.950 --> 0:42:06.580 While he was talking, I imagined getting so fat just 0:42:06.620 --> 0:42:08.720 so I could slap him in the face with my boobs. 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:11.520 That's what I felt in my heart. 0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:15.000 I want to gain 100 pounds just so I can 0:42:15.020 --> 0:42:17.710 have enough boob skin to slap him with it. 0:42:18.110 --> 0:42:22.100 See, this is why you're a fucking artist. Yeah. Because 0:42:22.140 --> 0:42:25.400 your mind goes to these places that are so creative. 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:28.900 When you're forced. 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:30.279 See, that's your superpower. 0:42:30.340 --> 0:42:33.470 That is my superpower. Find new things to do. 0:42:33.810 --> 0:42:34.549 Yeah. 0:42:34.890 --> 0:42:41.330 Imagination. So, yeah, I was going through these as a 0:42:41.370 --> 0:42:44.900 way of illustrating how clear everyone has a different agenda. 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:45.100 Yeah. 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.940 Like all of these people are talking to Nick and 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:51.540 they're all foolish to do it. Except for maybe Gavin. 0:42:51.700 --> 0:42:51.939 Sure. 0:42:51.980 --> 0:42:56.259 Because who gives a fuck what he does? Yeah. They're 0:42:56.300 --> 0:43:00.029 foolish to do this. But at the same time, they're 0:43:00.070 --> 0:43:04.270 doing it for very different reasons and satisfying a need 0:43:04.350 --> 0:43:07.780 that they have that is other than Nick. 0:43:07.989 --> 0:43:08.219 Yeah. 0:43:08.540 --> 0:43:13.219 Nick is exploiting them through whatever that need is. that 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.180 they're clearly projecting through these interviews. 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.600 Yeah, I mean, I think that's, again, I think that's 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:23.419 really what they just do not fundamentally grasp, right? 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.620 Is because they're not believers, right? 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:31.200 They're people who are exploiting believers. They don't actually understand 0:43:31.260 --> 0:43:35.060 what would make you truly believe this shit, right? But 0:43:35.100 --> 0:43:39.680 a believer will know another believer and they will look 0:43:39.739 --> 0:43:43.879 at him And compared to Glenn Greenwald and be like, 0:43:44.100 --> 0:43:46.340 that guy believes what I believe. 0:43:46.580 --> 0:43:48.080 Or at least he believes something. 0:43:48.219 --> 0:43:48.759 Exactly. 0:43:48.980 --> 0:43:52.100 And I honestly, I'm not, I want to be clear 0:43:52.340 --> 0:43:55.279 that I'm not, I don't want to say like he 0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:57.680 has an ideology and he has a belief or whatever, 0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.840 because that sounds fairly complimentary and I don't mean it 0:44:00.860 --> 0:44:03.150 to be. And by the end of this, I think, 0:44:04.330 --> 0:44:09.390 I think that it's, Maybe less a real belief and 0:44:09.570 --> 0:44:10.589 more of a compulsion. 0:44:10.870 --> 0:44:11.509 Sure. 0:44:11.830 --> 0:44:16.650 And humoring that has gone on too far. But I 0:44:17.530 --> 0:44:18.370 get what you're saying. 0:44:18.530 --> 0:44:18.710 Yeah. 0:44:18.790 --> 0:44:23.400 Like sitting next to Glenn Greenwald, Nick looks like someone 0:44:23.660 --> 0:44:24.580 who has a point. 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:24.880 Yep. 0:44:25.140 --> 0:44:27.700 And Glenn has a point. And his point is Glenn 0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:28.459 Greenwald is great. 0:44:28.820 --> 0:44:29.120 I mean. 0:44:29.219 --> 0:44:33.299 Sitting next to Patrick Bet-David, Nick looks like he has 0:44:33.340 --> 0:44:33.640 a point. 0:44:33.780 --> 0:44:33.940 Yep. 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:35.489 And Patrick's point is. 0:44:37.860 --> 0:44:40.050 I want to give you fatherly advice. 0:44:40.370 --> 0:44:44.469 I can't imagine... Still feeling like. 0:44:45.860 --> 0:44:48.860 Honestly, I can't imagine still feeling like Glenn Greenwald feels 0:44:48.900 --> 0:44:51.420 about himself. If I was looking across from a person 0:44:51.460 --> 0:44:53.020 and I was like, you want to kill me, right? 0:44:53.060 --> 0:44:54.000 And he was like, yeah! 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:55.620 Well, I mean, probably. 0:44:56.500 --> 0:44:59.299 Right? I would be like, oh, okay, well then now 0:44:59.320 --> 0:44:59.900 we're fighting. 0:44:59.920 --> 0:45:00.460 You understand? 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.480 Because you want to kill me. And so then we're fighting. 0:45:03.500 --> 0:45:05.160 You can't just be fine with that. 0:45:05.219 --> 0:45:09.400 Mick would probably say, well, we're on camera, so... I 0:45:09.420 --> 0:45:10.140 wouldn't kill you. 0:45:10.420 --> 0:45:11.140 Right. But. 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.279 I've already stopped you because you're trying to kill me 0:45:13.340 --> 0:45:13.920 right now. 0:45:14.180 --> 0:45:18.860 But, like, I think maybe there should be special neighborhoods. 0:45:18.890 --> 0:45:20.620 See, there we go. We're already there. 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:21.359 That are closed. 0:45:21.430 --> 0:45:24.770 They never stop there, though. There's never been a, okay, 0:45:24.810 --> 0:45:25.330 now we're done. 0:45:25.690 --> 0:45:25.910 No. 0:45:25.969 --> 0:45:28.450 I mean, he literally does say that there should be just, like, 0:45:28.590 --> 0:45:34.190 ethnic neighborhoods. Voluntary segregation and stuff like that. 0:45:34.210 --> 0:45:34.910 Then now. 0:45:34.989 --> 0:45:35.750 To Glenn's face. 0:45:35.850 --> 0:45:40.460 Regardless of what we believe... You are my enemy. How 0:45:40.500 --> 0:45:41.940 does this not make sense. 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:42.440 To these people? 0:45:42.580 --> 0:45:45.140 Well, I think it's that believer thing. And I think 0:45:45.180 --> 0:45:48.970 that all of them really want to think that what 0:45:49.030 --> 0:45:51.370 Nick is saying is kind of like a wink. And 0:45:51.390 --> 0:45:57.029 they want to believe that like true racist ideology and 0:45:57.070 --> 0:45:59.310 this kind of shit doesn't actually exist. 0:45:59.570 --> 0:45:59.750 Yeah. 0:46:00.100 --> 0:46:03.719 Because recognizing that it exists threatens to. 0:46:03.739 --> 0:46:04.360 The whole game. 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:07.700 Well, it also threatens to indict part of what they do. 0:46:07.860 --> 0:46:08.080 Sure. 0:46:08.900 --> 0:46:09.939 And they'd have to look in the mirror. 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.000 They'd have to be bad people if they were the 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:13.220 ones who were actually racist. 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.700 And so I think that this... I'm going to play 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:19.280 a clip here of an exchange between Glenn and Nick. 0:46:19.739 --> 0:46:23.870 And I think that this characterizes a fair amount of, like, 0:46:24.030 --> 0:46:26.650 a lot of the conversations through all of these interviews. 0:46:26.710 --> 0:46:26.830 Okay. 0:46:27.270 --> 0:46:31.820 And that is, like, Nick just saying... flagrantly racist shit, 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:35.819 and the interviewer trying to, like, ah. 0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:37.820 Here's what you really mean. 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.900 I hope I can walk through this. Right. 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:41.719 Jesus Christ. 0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.819 So just as a little setup, prior to this, Nick 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.140 had said something racist about black people and white people. 0:46:48.390 --> 0:46:48.549 Right. 0:46:49.550 --> 0:46:51.030 Because he's a racist. 0:46:51.090 --> 0:46:51.270 Yeah. 0:46:51.630 --> 0:46:56.710 And Glenn brings up that Kanye, yay, was someone that 0:46:56.770 --> 0:46:57.990 Nick wanted to be president. 0:46:58.070 --> 0:46:58.190 Right. 0:46:58.820 --> 0:47:03.990 And also, white women don't vote the way that Nick wants, 0:47:04.110 --> 0:47:05.090 but they are white. 0:47:05.270 --> 0:47:05.550 Sure. 0:47:05.630 --> 0:47:08.690 You had a black man who you wanted to be president. 0:47:08.750 --> 0:47:08.969 Right. 0:47:09.070 --> 0:47:11.969 And white women who you disagree with politically. 0:47:12.090 --> 0:47:14.529 How is he going to get out of this one? 0:47:14.610 --> 0:47:14.850 Right. 0:47:15.570 --> 0:47:18.260 There has been this kind of... I would almost say 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:22.140 consensus among people on the right, certainly among your precinct 0:47:22.219 --> 0:47:24.259 of the right, but even a little bit— one' s a little 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:26.720 bit closer to the mainstream. 0:47:26.739 --> 0:47:27.180 You heard J.D. 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.319 Vance talking about this, that on some level, the kind 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:36.739 of bugaboo right now of American politics are— highly educated, metropolitan, 0:47:37.060 --> 0:47:39.810 liberal white women who are just kind of the bane 0:47:39.850 --> 0:47:43.590 of everybody's existence, who are the plight and plague on 0:47:43.630 --> 0:47:46.669 American politics. These are the people responsible for so many 0:47:46.690 --> 0:47:49.549 of the worst political trends. Over the last 10 years, 0:47:49.610 --> 0:47:51.530 not just in terms of the ideas, but also how 0:47:51.550 --> 0:47:54.319 they're expressed, how the dialogue and discourse. 0:47:56.460 --> 0:47:56.840 Evolves. 0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.239 And I know that's something that you you you've talked about. 0:47:59.260 --> 0:48:02.070 I've heard you talk about white women in quite acrimonious 0:48:02.110 --> 0:48:05.310 ways to be generous in terms of describing that. So 0:48:05.969 --> 0:48:07.650 what about that? What does that reflect? I mean, these 0:48:07.670 --> 0:48:10.570 are white women like hardcore white women. probably with a 0:48:10.650 --> 0:48:13.890 long history of white ancestry in the United States, and 0:48:13.930 --> 0:48:16.239 yet for you and so many other people who think 0:48:16.300 --> 0:48:19.360 like you, these are like the embodiment of the threats 0:48:19.460 --> 0:48:20.700 to the American way of life. 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:22.239 What's the explanation for that? 0:48:24.260 --> 0:48:27.520 Well, I think in general, you're sort of conflating what 0:48:27.580 --> 0:48:32.140 is abstract versus what is real. White women have liberal ideas, 0:48:32.219 --> 0:48:33.890 but they carry white genes. 0:48:34.590 --> 0:48:37.270 And so white women have eggs. 0:48:37.710 --> 0:48:40.350 That when fertilized by white men are going to create 0:48:40.390 --> 0:48:41.090 white babies. 0:48:41.140 --> 0:48:42.510 And white men and white. 0:48:42.340 --> 0:48:44.090 Women have been doing this for thousands of years. 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:49.219 And they continue producing a race, an ethnic group of 0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:52.319 people that look a certain way, act a certain way, 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.800 speak a certain way. And, you know, maybe this generation 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:58.819 or a previous generation or, you know, some other generation 0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:02.100 might have had the wrong idea or an idea that 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:07.200 is contrary to my ideas. But they still carry those genes. 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.420 They're still that distinct group of people. I'm not going 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.530 to say that I'm in favor of America becoming minority 0:49:12.590 --> 0:49:16.410 white because one black man has the right politics and 0:49:16.469 --> 0:49:19.490 most white women have the wrong politics. 0:49:19.250 --> 0:49:19.930 In the current generation. 0:49:20.060 --> 0:49:24.080 Year, in 2025, because, you know, all things being equal 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:27.040 and kind of left in isolation, in 100 years, those 0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:30.040 white women are going to ensure the continuation of people 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.500 that look like me, and those black people are going 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.950 to have generation after generation of people that seem to 0:49:35.989 --> 0:49:36.810 be sort of set. 0:49:36.690 --> 0:49:39.390 Against us in a certain way. There seems to always be. 0:49:40.230 --> 0:49:43.629 They're advocating on behalf of their group insofar as they're 0:49:43.650 --> 0:49:46.989 a minority, and we as whites are in a sense 0:49:47.030 --> 0:49:51.180 doing that also implicitly or explicitly. So I think maybe 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.680 that's the conflation. There might be liberal white women, but 0:49:53.700 --> 0:49:57.359 they're still white, and I still think that white people 0:49:57.380 --> 0:49:59.960 should exist even if there are a lot of liberal 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:04.480 white people right now because I'm white. So that's maybe– 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:06.760 because I was libertarian for many years, and to me 0:50:06.820 --> 0:50:09.089 that was kind of the big– That was the big 0:50:09.130 --> 0:50:12.009 inflection point for me is realizing that I'm part of 0:50:12.070 --> 0:50:14.350 a group that is going extinct and I don't want 0:50:14.370 --> 0:50:16.130 to go extinct. You know, I want to thrive. 0:50:16.350 --> 0:50:20.089 Yeah, that's probably a universal human instinct. Let me shift 0:50:20.110 --> 0:50:21.469 gears a little bit and ask about Charlie Clark. 0:50:22.530 --> 0:50:22.690 What? 0:50:23.450 --> 0:50:25.430 You listen to all of that and then you're like, 0:50:25.530 --> 0:50:27.670 I think that's a universal human instinct. 0:50:27.690 --> 0:50:31.859 Yeah. I mean, it's, you know. 0:50:32.180 --> 0:50:34.339 I mean, you know, here's what I think. 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.520 He basically said the 14 words. 0:50:36.620 --> 0:50:37.819 Here's what I think, right? 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.779 This goes back to something that I don't know how 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:44.700 many years ago it was, but this is eating the 0:50:44.739 --> 0:50:48.410 red card. This is what this is. These people, no 0:50:48.450 --> 0:50:50.890 matter how much they throw up the red card and 0:50:50.950 --> 0:50:53.529 are like, ha ha, the red card, he's going to 0:50:53.610 --> 0:50:54.650 eat the fucking card. 0:50:55.430 --> 0:50:57.270 Sack up and do something or leave. 0:50:57.430 --> 0:51:00.510 I don't care what these white women believe because they're white. 0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:02.440 They're white. They can create white people. 0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:05.900 What do you not understand about what I like? 0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:06.279 Yeah. 0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:07.040 Whiteness. 0:51:07.580 --> 0:51:08.380 I'm a racist. 0:51:08.739 --> 0:51:10.140 I am a racist. 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:10.500 Yes. 0:51:10.820 --> 0:51:12.500 You guys are racist too. 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:15.080 You want to make this smarter than it is. 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:15.420 Yeah. 0:51:15.540 --> 0:51:18.910 But basically, I like being around people who look like 0:51:18.969 --> 0:51:20.110 me because I'm scared. 0:51:20.610 --> 0:51:24.130 All of your trappings, all of your Greenwaldiness, all of 0:51:24.170 --> 0:51:27.730 your Patrick Bet-Davidness, all of this is all made up 0:51:28.230 --> 0:51:31.350 to hide from yourself that you're just a piece of 0:51:31.390 --> 0:51:32.230 shit racist. 0:51:32.830 --> 0:51:35.250 I have embraced being a piece of shit racist. 0:51:35.270 --> 0:51:38.270 Because that wasn't okay before and you couldn't make money 0:51:38.430 --> 0:51:40.010 off it. Now you can. 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:43.060 I am stronger than you because I have embraced my 0:51:43.100 --> 0:51:45.859 piece of shit racistness and you will never be able 0:51:45.900 --> 0:51:48.339 to avoid being a shitty Glenn Greenwald. 0:51:48.420 --> 0:51:51.430 Probably not. So last we have Tucker. 0:51:51.590 --> 0:51:51.790 Yeah. 0:51:51.810 --> 0:51:54.279 I don't have any clips of that show pulled because 0:51:54.380 --> 0:51:57.460 it was two and a quarter hours of nothing. It 0:51:57.540 --> 0:52:01.620 wasn't interesting. It didn't have any real revealing insights to it. 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:06.870 Like they're different perspectives or anything. Unlike the other interviewers 0:52:06.910 --> 0:52:09.750 we've touched on, it doesn't feel like Tucker has much 0:52:09.790 --> 0:52:13.410 of a motive either. Gavin wants Nick to see Jewish 0:52:13.450 --> 0:52:16.960 people as white. Patrick Bet-David wants to justify making money 0:52:17.060 --> 0:52:19.719 off Nick. Glenn Greenwald wants to pat himself on the 0:52:19.739 --> 0:52:21.799 back for being the coolest boy in the room. But 0:52:21.860 --> 0:52:24.969 Tucker is just kind of hanging out with Nick. And 0:52:25.090 --> 0:52:29.149 this is because there's a fundamental difference between those other 0:52:29.250 --> 0:52:33.080 three interviewers and Tucker. The other three wanted to use 0:52:33.140 --> 0:52:35.620 Nick for clicks and didn't really care about what they 0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:38.890 were platforming along the way. They didn't realize that Nick 0:52:38.930 --> 0:52:41.450 was using them and he had no interest in seeing 0:52:41.489 --> 0:52:43.630 Gavin's point or thinking that Glenn is one of the 0:52:43.670 --> 0:52:48.009 good homosexuals, but Tucker's different. Tucker had Nick on as 0:52:48.050 --> 0:52:51.489 an apology. These two dudes have been fighting in a 0:52:51.530 --> 0:52:55.439 way that's been chaos in the right-wing media space. They're 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.779 both out there calling each other a fed and it's 0:52:57.940 --> 0:53:01.600 nasty for business. Now that Charlie Kirk is dead, it's 0:53:01.700 --> 0:53:04.260 pretty hard not to accept that Nick is one of the, 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:09.140 if not the actual largest figures in the right wing 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:12.060 that has a solid connection with the youth. And if 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.820 you're old ass former bow tie Iraq war cheerleader Tucker, 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:18.259 you'd be insane not to think that Nick could turn 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:22.140 a large chunk of the impressionable young conservatives against you. 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:27.540 Tucker had Nick on so he could do brand rehabilitation. 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.930 With Nick's audience. Nick's doing him a favor. Yep. 0:53:30.610 --> 0:53:34.290 Consider this. Nick and Tucker both posted the interviews that 0:53:34.310 --> 0:53:37.940 they did, the single interview, on their Rumble channels. And 0:53:38.140 --> 0:53:41.060 as of this morning when we're recording, Tucker's version has 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:46.440 about 350,000 views, and Nick's has about 430,000. Fuck me. 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:49.890 Tucker has over twice as many followers on Rumble, and 0:53:49.930 --> 0:53:53.750 yet the actively engaged viewer numbers are higher for Nick 0:53:53.850 --> 0:53:54.330 than him. 0:53:54.510 --> 0:53:54.630 Yep. 0:53:55.430 --> 0:53:59.219 I believe that Tucker's scared of Nick, and he should be. 0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:02.060 Letting him in the house is the wrong move, but 0:54:02.100 --> 0:54:05.020 that's only if you believe that Tucker doesn't actually want 0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:08.279 to be part of a white identity pseudo-Nazi movement, and 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:13.160 he does. So letting Nick in, it really is just like, well, 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:16.819 you gotta deal with this guy now. That's basically it. 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:21.359 It's pathetic, because all of them have supplicated themselves before 0:54:21.400 --> 0:54:21.880 Nick Fuentes. 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:22.380 Yes. 0:54:22.780 --> 0:54:27.440 And to do anything... like that is to reveal that 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:30.299 you're a waste of human. You you're, they had one 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:33.070 chance and that's for all of them together to go. 0:54:33.370 --> 0:54:36.129 Fuck you. You're just not allowed in. 0:54:36.570 --> 0:54:36.750 Yeah. 0:54:36.790 --> 0:54:39.209 You're just not allowed in. You can have your fucking shit. 0:54:39.430 --> 0:54:41.710 Go have your fun fucking shit. You're not allowed in. 0:54:41.730 --> 0:54:42.070 Yeah. 0:54:42.170 --> 0:54:44.350 But the moment they allowed him in, it's all over 0:54:44.390 --> 0:54:44.650 for them. 0:54:44.770 --> 0:54:47.830 Right. And it's based on good instincts. Like he is 0:54:47.890 --> 0:54:52.390 a destructive character. He's going to fuck your shit up. Like, 0:54:53.030 --> 0:54:56.469 That's why people were telling Greenwald not to talk to him. 0:54:56.790 --> 0:54:59.950 That's why Millie Weaver was texting Alex and saying, don't 0:55:00.010 --> 0:55:04.109 have him on. Like these people, like it's not all 0:55:04.870 --> 0:55:08.770 like mockingbird media or whatever. Some people just have an 0:55:08.830 --> 0:55:11.430 instinct to tell like this guy's bad news. 0:55:11.750 --> 0:55:15.750 It is, it is like, because it's just what I don't, 0:55:15.870 --> 0:55:18.859 I don't understand these people on a fundamental level, unless 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.000 you just take somebody who is like, in the moment 0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:27.200 and incapable of learning because they love going in places. 0:55:27.100 --> 0:55:31.589 And wrecking people's shit. That's their whole fucking thing. It's fun. 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:32.990 It's why Trump is president. 0:55:33.050 --> 0:55:36.870 They have fun going into places where people are doing fine, 0:55:37.710 --> 0:55:39.230 tearing up all of their shit. 0:55:39.370 --> 0:55:42.250 And then letting them clean it up. Yeah, that's fun. 0:55:43.170 --> 0:55:45.469 How does it not occur to them that they have 0:55:45.530 --> 0:55:46.840 shit and, That there. 0:55:46.739 --> 0:55:48.219 Is to be fucked up and. 0:55:48.140 --> 0:55:50.430 That somebody might enjoy fucking up their shit. 0:55:50.670 --> 0:55:51.730 Yep. How? 0:55:52.130 --> 0:55:57.550 And has cultivated his own like large audience, probably maybe 0:55:57.620 --> 0:56:02.819 larger than yours that enjoys and will only put up 0:56:02.860 --> 0:56:04.779 with him as long as he's fucking shit up. 0:56:04.860 --> 0:56:04.950 Yep. 0:56:05.770 --> 0:56:09.649 No, and it's like, again, it's another one of those 0:56:09.690 --> 0:56:12.090 things where it's like, this is the difference between the 0:56:12.140 --> 0:56:15.239 past and the present. In the past, that idea, oh, 0:56:15.300 --> 0:56:18.240 we have such a huge social media following is very important. 0:56:18.620 --> 0:56:20.819 Now that you're in the present, though, you realize that's 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:23.739 fucking stupid. Those people aren't real. If you have an 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:27.759 engaged following of a solid number of people, you are 0:56:27.860 --> 0:56:30.719 stronger than a million Twitter followers. 0:56:30.820 --> 0:56:32.980 And, like, if you have an engaged audience that you 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:33.980 can weaponize. 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:37.890 Like, You're unstoppable. Because they can't do that shit. 0:56:38.390 --> 0:56:42.040 So now there's a fascinating irony in all of these interviews. 0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:45.259 And that is that I think Patrick David is the 0:56:45.420 --> 0:56:48.969 shallowest of any of these media figures. But because he's 0:56:49.219 --> 0:56:53.110 unburdened by some other baggage when he's interviewing Nick, he 0:56:53.210 --> 0:56:56.350 actually manages to have the most interesting exchange with him. 0:56:56.969 --> 0:56:59.609 He doesn't dig into any of the interesting points, but 0:56:59.650 --> 0:57:02.510 there's a couple things that become clear from their interview 0:57:02.850 --> 0:57:05.350 that I think look really bad for Nick. 0:57:05.469 --> 0:57:05.709 Yeah. 0:57:05.770 --> 0:57:06.770 And I want to talk about them. 0:57:06.870 --> 0:57:07.109 Okay. 0:57:07.550 --> 0:57:11.629 So first, I think that there is a really embarrassing 0:57:11.690 --> 0:57:16.650 story that Nick tells about going off to college in Boston. 0:57:17.110 --> 0:57:17.890 And here's that. 0:57:18.610 --> 0:57:22.560 Convention happens, I think, July 2016. I enter college at 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.040 Boston University in September 2016. 0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:25.160 Okay. 0:57:26.430 --> 0:57:28.890 And this is the first time I've lived outside Chicago. 0:57:28.910 --> 0:57:31.310 I've lived in the same place my whole life. And 0:57:32.130 --> 0:57:34.710 it's important to impress upon you and maybe everybody like 0:57:34.830 --> 0:57:37.970 where I grew up. It's like this pocket of America 0:57:38.010 --> 0:57:42.570 that never changed. It's a baseball town. Everybody's white. Everybody's 0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:46.760 obsessed with baseball. Everybody's Catholic. So growing up, I'm going 0:57:46.780 --> 0:57:49.600 to CCD, which is like catechism class for Catholics. 0:57:50.100 --> 0:57:51.960 Everybody loves baseball. 0:57:51.980 --> 0:57:53.780 There's an annual parade where you go and eat hot 0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:56.720 dogs and play baseball and So this is a place 0:57:56.740 --> 0:58:00.140 that is untouched by, like I said, even though they're liberal, 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:04.120 they're not even really progressive. It's untouched by the progressive politics, 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:07.140 by a lot of the diversity, even the crime. It's safe, 0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:10.590 white picket fences. Take a trip down to Western Springs, Illinois. 0:58:10.610 --> 0:58:12.250 I mean, you'll see what I mean. It's like the 0:58:12.290 --> 0:58:15.450 land that time forgot. I go to college in Boston, 0:58:15.630 --> 0:58:19.810 totally different story. Boston's obviously super diverse. It's a lot 0:58:19.830 --> 0:58:22.110 of young people because it's all schools, all universities, and 0:58:22.130 --> 0:58:25.630 they're all from Asia, all foreign students. And they're all Chinese. 0:58:25.650 --> 0:58:29.110 They're all from these Asian countries. And there's also, it's 0:58:29.130 --> 0:58:31.930 a little dangerous. There's a little criminal element. And everyone 0:58:32.110 --> 0:58:35.950 on the campuses, they're militant left wing. And that was 0:58:35.990 --> 0:58:38.470 kind of a culture shock. And I kind of realized 0:58:38.530 --> 0:58:42.160 in that moment, most of the country looks like this now, actually. 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:46.700 New York, LA, Miami, the big cities. And most people 0:58:46.740 --> 0:58:48.840 live in the cities. They all look like this because 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:52.320 of immigration, because of left wing progressive politics. And I 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:57.440 kind of said in that moment, My slice of America 0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:00.120 that I grew up with is a dying breed. It's 0:59:00.220 --> 0:59:01.500 literally going extinct. 0:59:02.050 --> 0:59:05.030 So Nick is discussing his path towards being a white nationalist, 0:59:05.070 --> 0:59:06.990 and a big moment in that story is him going 0:59:07.030 --> 0:59:09.310 to college and being scared to be around so many 0:59:09.350 --> 0:59:12.020 people he didn't see as white. I know that Nick's 0:59:12.060 --> 0:59:14.200 a big boy media figure and all that, but it's 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:17.260 also important to remember that he's describing a moment from 0:59:17.340 --> 0:59:20.950 when he was a scared 18 year old living away 0:59:21.010 --> 0:59:23.640 from home for the first time. When he got out 0:59:23.660 --> 0:59:26.060 into the world and discovered that it wasn't all like 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:30.100 his mom's bosom, he was supposed to grow up. This 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:32.720 is a challenge of individuation, where a child has to 0:59:32.780 --> 0:59:35.740 break free from the nest. Not everyone does this by 0:59:35.780 --> 0:59:38.020 going off to college, but it's a common story in 0:59:38.060 --> 0:59:41.760 this country that this is where that test comes. It's 0:59:41.780 --> 0:59:44.010 supposed to be a kind of scary thing to go 0:59:44.030 --> 0:59:47.090 to college, because you're not living with your parents anymore, 0:59:47.170 --> 0:59:49.310 and in theory, it's the first time in your life 0:59:49.350 --> 0:59:53.680 that you're truly responsible for yourself. It's scary that your 0:59:53.700 --> 0:59:56.990 mom's bosom isn't the whole world. And you can't derive 0:59:57.030 --> 0:59:59.790 the comfort of home from far off places in the world. 1:00:00.150 --> 1:00:03.070 But the lesson you're supposed to learn is that that's okay. 1:00:03.690 --> 1:00:06.110 You're going to be okay. And all the stuff out 1:00:06.150 --> 1:00:08.570 there in the real world isn't as scary as you 1:00:08.630 --> 1:00:11.710 think it is at first. You start to realize you 1:00:11.750 --> 1:00:15.760 can make a home. You can make peace and find things. 1:00:16.260 --> 1:00:20.640 There's, in Douglas Adams' book, The Life, the Universe, and Everything, 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:28.530 which is my favorite, one of my favorites, the central antagonist, 1:00:28.570 --> 1:00:33.110 if you will, is the planet Cricket. And what happened was, 1:00:33.690 --> 1:00:37.190 A couple of guys, right, are on this planet Cricket, 1:00:37.530 --> 1:00:40.730 and it's shrouded, the entire planet in a cloud. So 1:00:40.810 --> 1:00:43.110 everybody looks up and there's nothing up there. So there's 1:00:43.150 --> 1:00:46.220 no even sky to think of. Everybody's done that. And 1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:48.260 these two guys build a spaceship and they get out 1:00:48.300 --> 1:00:51.540 past it and they see the universe and they go 1:00:51.580 --> 1:00:54.900 home and they say, it's all got to go. And 1:00:54.940 --> 1:00:57.860 so then they try and destroy the entire universe, right? Like, 1:00:57.950 --> 1:00:59.750 that is what we're dealing with. 1:00:59.850 --> 1:01:00.050 Yeah. 1:01:00.070 --> 1:01:02.230 We are dealing with somebody who gets outside of his 1:01:02.290 --> 1:01:05.570 safe little cloud and goes, instead of engaging with this, 1:01:05.970 --> 1:01:07.120 I have to kill all of it. 1:01:07.230 --> 1:01:09.330 My security blanket has been taken away. 1:01:09.350 --> 1:01:09.730 Yep. 1:01:09.970 --> 1:01:11.790 And I refuse to accept that. 1:01:11.850 --> 1:01:11.930 Yep. 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:16.140 Instead of maturing through this challenge of life, Nick got mad, 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:18.400 and he demanded that everywhere in the world should be 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:22.600 the same as his mom's bosom. His hometown is 95% white, 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:25.280 and now he's in a diverse city like Boston, so 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:27.600 he thinks that the world should coddle him and cater 1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:30.410 to his need for there to be 95% white people 1:01:30.450 --> 1:01:33.470 around him so he feels safe. He's mad that the 1:01:33.530 --> 1:01:36.210 world doesn't make him feel as safe as his childhood 1:01:36.270 --> 1:01:39.070 home did, And because he has the validation of tons 1:01:39.090 --> 1:01:41.470 of racists online and he makes a bunch of money 1:01:41.570 --> 1:01:44.070 off it, there's no reason for him to ever feel 1:01:44.110 --> 1:01:47.650 the need to change this. I don't want to infantilize 1:01:47.710 --> 1:01:50.070 Nick or anything, but this is baby stuff. And if 1:01:50.110 --> 1:01:52.450 he wants to be taken seriously as a mature racist, 1:01:52.790 --> 1:01:55.370 he needs a better backstory than this. That's what I'm saying. 1:01:55.570 --> 1:01:58.169 That's why I would be so much better at this. God, 1:01:58.210 --> 1:01:59.150 I wish I was a Nazi. 1:01:59.310 --> 1:02:03.250 Yeah, this is the kind of stuff that, like, honestly... 1:02:03.350 --> 1:02:06.310 adults shouldn't be humoring this no and like this should 1:02:06.350 --> 1:02:08.870 be like okay go to therapy talk to somebody get 1:02:08.910 --> 1:02:10.190 a friend dickweed. 1:02:09.910 --> 1:02:13.050 Every single one of these people are doing everything the 1:02:13.140 --> 1:02:16.180 exact wrong way i'm gonna be your uncle be a 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:20.200 little less racist like that's not even good advice career-wise 1:02:20.580 --> 1:02:24.700 career-wise be super racist that's good advice to to fucking 1:02:24.720 --> 1:02:27.100 nick fuentes right So if you wanted to be a 1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:29.860 good uncle with like good life advice, it would be 1:02:30.150 --> 1:02:32.270 don't be any of what you are right now. 1:02:32.450 --> 1:02:33.250 No guardrails. 1:02:33.270 --> 1:02:34.590 Be anything else. 1:02:34.850 --> 1:02:35.090 Yeah. 1:02:35.230 --> 1:02:35.430 Yeah. 1:02:35.590 --> 1:02:39.189 Like particularly Patrick Bet-David is like, don't say the N word. 1:02:39.830 --> 1:02:40.930 I mean, that's good advice. 1:02:41.550 --> 1:02:43.380 For everyone but Nick. Exactly. Yeah. 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:44.380 Exactly. 1:02:44.940 --> 1:02:47.960 So the second thing that becomes painfully clear in the 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:51.200 Patrick Bet-David interview is that Nick has based a lot 1:02:51.220 --> 1:02:55.510 of his political direction on rejection. This isn't to say 1:02:55.550 --> 1:02:58.530 that he doesn't have some sincerely held and intellectually backed 1:02:58.590 --> 1:03:01.820 up arguments and talking points, but I'm saying that, you know, 1:03:01.900 --> 1:03:04.200 as he tells the story of his path to hating 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:07.920 Jewish people, it becomes kind of obvious that a bunch 1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:08.740 of it is spite. 1:03:09.010 --> 1:03:09.120 Yeah. 1:03:09.390 --> 1:03:11.010 For instance, listen to this clip. 1:03:12.220 --> 1:03:15.860 You start your show, America First. You're pro-Trump. You're supportive 1:03:15.880 --> 1:03:19.030 of Trump. You're going through what you're going through. Give 1:03:19.050 --> 1:03:22.330 me a couple inflection points where you start kind of 1:03:22.390 --> 1:03:26.410 flipping and you're no longer pro-Israel. What were some of 1:03:26.430 --> 1:03:28.850 those events? Was it a book? Was it a conversation? 1:03:28.890 --> 1:03:30.570 Was it things you studied? What was that like? 1:03:30.930 --> 1:03:33.550 Well, the biggest thing is that I met this girl 1:03:33.590 --> 1:03:36.130 named Cassie Dillon. She was a fellow at Daily Wire. 1:03:36.230 --> 1:03:39.340 She now goes by Cassie Akiva. So she was in 1:03:39.380 --> 1:03:42.480 school around the same time. She was in Western Massachusetts studying. 1:03:42.940 --> 1:03:44.900 And we met because we ran in the same college 1:03:44.940 --> 1:03:47.540 Republican circles. And she's the one that got me the 1:03:47.620 --> 1:03:50.040 show at RSBN, Right Side Broadcasting Network. 1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:51.320 Yes, that's her. 1:03:51.340 --> 1:03:52.380 So she's still with Daily Wire. 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:56.950 Yeah, she was there. She left and then she came back. 1:03:57.450 --> 1:03:59.150 And so, you know, I met her and at that 1:03:59.190 --> 1:04:02.050 time she was a Christian. She converted to Judaism. She 1:04:02.090 --> 1:04:04.930 married a Jewish guy and converted. When I met her, 1:04:04.950 --> 1:04:06.790 she was a Christian or she had been raised Christian. 1:04:07.450 --> 1:04:09.550 And we became very good friends. You know, we went 1:04:09.630 --> 1:04:11.810 to the Christmas party and we hung out and I 1:04:11.850 --> 1:04:14.250 went on her show and she got me my show. 1:04:14.330 --> 1:04:16.770 Nothing like a attractiveness, just a friendship. 1:04:17.290 --> 1:04:19.340 It might have been going in that direction, but no, 1:04:19.400 --> 1:04:22.000 nothing like that materialized. So, yeah, we were just friends. 1:04:22.100 --> 1:04:26.540 And I started to notice something was up because Trump's 1:04:26.580 --> 1:04:29.380 doctrine was America first. And that was so attractive to me. 1:04:29.440 --> 1:04:32.450 He said, we will no longer be misled by the 1:04:32.510 --> 1:04:36.980 siren song of globalism. It's going to be Americanism, not globalism. 1:04:37.060 --> 1:04:40.160 And that really sunk into me. And I'll never forget, 1:04:40.180 --> 1:04:42.770 this was in December 2016. This is what did it 1:04:42.810 --> 1:04:44.310 for me. And I wrote an article about. 1:04:44.170 --> 1:04:46.150 It on my blog. I had a blog at that time. 1:04:46.910 --> 1:04:50.220 And I noticed that Obama, who was still the president 1:04:50.260 --> 1:04:53.860 during the lame duck period, he told our ambassador to 1:04:53.880 --> 1:04:57.400 the United Nations not to veto a resolution condemning the 1:04:57.440 --> 1:05:01.130 West Bank settlements. So there's a resolution saying Israel settlements 1:05:01.170 --> 1:05:04.010 in the West Bank are illegal. Normally, the United States 1:05:04.130 --> 1:05:07.510 vetoes that on behalf of Israel to protect them. But 1:05:07.590 --> 1:05:12.110 Obama instructed our ambassador to abstain. And so the resolution 1:05:12.150 --> 1:05:15.710 went through. And everybody on the right wing said Obama's 1:05:15.750 --> 1:05:19.190 an anti-Semite. He hates Jews because he did that. And 1:05:19.210 --> 1:05:19.970 I said, wait a second. 1:05:20.810 --> 1:05:22.150 I went through and I did the research. 1:05:22.190 --> 1:05:25.270 And I said, ever since 1967, during the Six-Day War, 1:05:25.570 --> 1:05:28.760 when Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip, It 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:32.440 has been the official U.S. policy that we do not 1:05:32.500 --> 1:05:36.620 support the civilian settlements. That's technically illegal under international law. 1:05:37.120 --> 1:05:39.680 I said, so all Obama did was really uphold the 1:05:39.740 --> 1:05:43.330 same policy that every president did, Republican and Democrat, yet 1:05:43.350 --> 1:05:45.550 they're calling him a Jew-hater. I said, I don't think 1:05:45.610 --> 1:05:49.470 Obama hates Jews. Obama's supported by the Jewish left. People 1:05:49.490 --> 1:05:52.650 like Saul Alinsky mentored him or influenced him. So I 1:05:52.690 --> 1:05:55.250 don't think he hates Jews. I think that he's just 1:05:55.950 --> 1:05:58.630 carrying out our policy. And so I said, how is 1:05:58.670 --> 1:06:02.350 that any different than when, let's say, a conservative critiques BLM? 1:06:02.390 --> 1:06:05.130 They get called a racist. You critique feminism. You get 1:06:05.150 --> 1:06:05.910 called a sexist. 1:06:06.050 --> 1:06:08.390 Where were you working at that time? Were you working anywhere? 1:06:08.410 --> 1:06:09.050 You were independent. 1:06:09.110 --> 1:06:09.730 I was independent. 1:06:09.970 --> 1:06:11.910 Okay, so you're not with anybody while you're writing this. Right. 1:06:12.010 --> 1:06:14.250 So you're free to write and say whatever you want. Okay, continue. 1:06:14.450 --> 1:06:16.169 Yeah, so I was just on my own blog. Good point. 1:06:16.370 --> 1:06:18.590 So I wrote that out. I said, this is hypocritical. 1:06:18.750 --> 1:06:21.050 I said, and this is something that crops up over 1:06:21.070 --> 1:06:23.490 and over, is this double standard when it comes to 1:06:24.090 --> 1:06:25.840 anti-Semitism when it comes to Israel. 1:06:25.900 --> 1:06:26.720 And I called this out. 1:06:27.240 --> 1:06:29.220 And Cassie Dillon, who was my friend, I would raise 1:06:29.260 --> 1:06:32.080 this issue with her. And I would criticize Ben Shapiro 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:35.300 very harshly. He was very anti-Trump at that time. And 1:06:35.320 --> 1:06:38.650 I said, I think Ben Shapiro is Israel first. And 1:06:38.690 --> 1:06:41.310 I think that when Trump says in his inaugural, it's 1:06:41.350 --> 1:06:44.480 America first. why is it that Israel gets all this 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:47.160 foreign aid? They're the number one recipient for 50 years. 1:06:47.480 --> 1:06:51.760 They're not a poor country. Why is it that much largesse? 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:54.340 And so I would press her on this and other 1:06:54.380 --> 1:06:57.800 related questions, and eventually she threw arms up, and I 1:06:57.820 --> 1:07:02.020 think it was March 2017, and she said, we are 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:03.430 no longer in the same movement. 1:07:03.590 --> 1:07:06.070 She said, you are anti-Israel. The way you're going about 1:07:06.090 --> 1:07:07.070 this is anti-Semitic. 1:07:07.090 --> 1:07:07.670 This is Casey. 1:07:08.350 --> 1:07:09.530 This is, yeah, Cassie Dillon. 1:07:09.570 --> 1:07:10.050 Cassie Dillon. 1:07:10.070 --> 1:07:11.010 She goes, you are. 1:07:11.710 --> 1:07:15.510 You're attacking Shapiro and in an anti-Semitic way. I don't 1:07:15.530 --> 1:07:18.439 like your tone. She said, and I really want nothing 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:19.320 to do with you anymore. 1:07:19.880 --> 1:07:22.800 Nick had a crush on this woman. She rightly assessed 1:07:22.820 --> 1:07:25.280 that his criticisms of Israel were an outlet for an 1:07:25.420 --> 1:07:28.610 anti-Semitic belief system, and she cut him out of her life. 1:07:29.450 --> 1:07:32.190 This is what Nick's mind goes to first when he's 1:07:32.230 --> 1:07:36.520 talking about his evolution as an anti-Israel person. Again, I 1:07:36.740 --> 1:07:39.560 don't want to infantilize this guy, but any adult should 1:07:39.600 --> 1:07:41.660 listen to that story and recognize that this was a 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:44.560 kid who had feelings for someone that probably weren't requited. 1:07:45.020 --> 1:07:47.520 He was weird, and she told him to get lost. 1:07:48.340 --> 1:07:50.960 This is another rite of passage that's part of maturing 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:54.250 into a full-on adult. And when Nick hits these crossroads, 1:07:54.530 --> 1:07:57.169 he refuses to engage with the lessons that he should 1:07:57.210 --> 1:08:00.010 be learning, and instead he just becomes kind of an 1:08:00.070 --> 1:08:02.070 obsessive creep and blames somebody else. 1:08:02.450 --> 1:08:07.209 I mean, it's fairly endemic in the way that he, 1:08:07.770 --> 1:08:10.370 in the people he hangs out with, I would say, 1:08:10.850 --> 1:08:11.910 that kind of philosophy. 1:08:12.330 --> 1:08:16.430 So even in this, like, interview, Nick basically just cops 1:08:16.470 --> 1:08:19.490 to how this rejection made him feel angry and led 1:08:19.530 --> 1:08:20.860 to him covering Israel more. 1:08:20.939 --> 1:08:21.860 Great. So. 1:08:22.380 --> 1:08:26.700 what's the first emotion you're getting? You're by yourself. She 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:30.080 tells you this. Everybody gets blocked. What is it? Is 1:08:30.140 --> 1:08:32.560 it anger? Is it resentment? Is it I'm going to 1:08:32.600 --> 1:08:35.320 get them? Is it vengeance? What's the first emotion you're feeling? 1:08:35.540 --> 1:08:36.180 I was stunned. 1:08:36.620 --> 1:08:40.460 I was honestly just shocked because, you know, the idea 1:08:40.520 --> 1:08:42.689 on the right wing is we're the marketplace of ideas. 1:08:43.150 --> 1:08:45.770 And so nothing's off limits and you're supposed to bring 1:08:45.830 --> 1:08:47.890 your best ideas and you debate them out. That's the 1:08:47.910 --> 1:08:51.439 whole program. And so to get such a cold and 1:08:51.520 --> 1:08:55.030 frosty response, it was actually a little disturbing because it's like, 1:08:55.650 --> 1:08:58.550 you know, I slept over at her sister's apartment. 1:08:58.610 --> 1:09:01.160 I went to her Christmas party. We hung out. 1:09:01.540 --> 1:09:03.770 We disagree on this issue, which, by the way, isn't 1:09:03.820 --> 1:09:05.930 even an American issue. It's not like we had a 1:09:05.970 --> 1:09:09.590 falling out because I became some communist or anything to 1:09:09.610 --> 1:09:10.250 do with America. 1:09:10.270 --> 1:09:12.070 It's because I didn't support a foreign country. 1:09:12.670 --> 1:09:14.350 And I said, you know, even if we disagree on 1:09:14.370 --> 1:09:16.370 the issue, we can't even talk to each other or 1:09:16.430 --> 1:09:20.670 be friends personally. Forget about even professionally working together. I 1:09:20.710 --> 1:09:23.620 was stunned at how she turned into, like, there was, like, 1:09:23.640 --> 1:09:24.680 this transformation. 1:09:25.500 --> 1:09:29.019 And then I got angry. And I would talk about 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:29.780 this on my show. 1:09:29.860 --> 1:09:32.140 I would kind of go on the show, and it 1:09:32.660 --> 1:09:35.510 made me lean into the issue because I said, clearly, 1:09:35.660 --> 1:09:36.630 something is here. 1:09:36.870 --> 1:09:39.730 Like, it's being treated differently than other issues here. 1:09:40.130 --> 1:09:43.650 Instead of moving along and letting it go, recognizing that 1:09:43.729 --> 1:09:46.170 not all relationships are meant to last, and not all 1:09:46.210 --> 1:09:49.230 relationships can be the type of relationship you want them 1:09:49.290 --> 1:09:53.530 to be, Nick clearly just decided to obsess about this woman, 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:56.740 this issue, and he goes on to blame her for 1:09:57.060 --> 1:10:01.140 all kinds of attacks and attempted cancellations, even in this 1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:03.780 interview with Patrick Bet-David, years later. 1:10:04.660 --> 1:10:06.500 And then it was a couple months later that the 1:10:06.540 --> 1:10:09.360 first hit piece ever was written about me by Media Matters. 1:10:10.110 --> 1:10:13.190 And I strongly believe, and I believe there was evidence 1:10:13.210 --> 1:10:15.050 for this at one point, that she sent in a 1:10:15.090 --> 1:10:18.100 clip from my show to Media Matters for America, a 1:10:18.140 --> 1:10:19.200 left-wing organization. 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:23.920 So what is the worst thing you've said? At that time, 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:27.309 what is the worst thing you've said? Careful. You've said 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:28.650 some crazy things. Where do you want to go? 1:10:28.670 --> 1:10:29.630 Where do you want to start? 1:10:30.050 --> 1:10:32.630 Personal? I don't know if you're doing it because you're 1:10:32.670 --> 1:10:35.270 trying to get under people's skin if you fully believe it. 1:10:35.850 --> 1:10:37.570 Or you're trolling. I don't know. Could be any of 1:10:37.590 --> 1:10:39.290 those things. Only you know what you're doing at the 1:10:39.330 --> 1:10:41.750 time when you're making certain comments. But what is the 1:10:41.810 --> 1:10:45.110 most vile, extreme thing that some people may say you've 1:10:45.140 --> 1:10:49.139 said up until that point that's causing Cassie to message 1:10:49.180 --> 1:10:50.760 Media Matters and others saying, you have to see what 1:10:50.800 --> 1:10:51.340 this guy's saying? 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:53.620 Up to that point, and this was the subject of 1:10:53.660 --> 1:10:56.880 the article, I was talking about the Muslim ban. And 1:10:56.920 --> 1:10:59.580 I said the Trump Muslim ban, the travel ban. 1:10:59.860 --> 1:11:00.200 I said. 1:11:00.530 --> 1:11:04.389 The First Amendment does not apply to radical Muslims. I said, 1:11:04.410 --> 1:11:07.309 you don't have a First Amendment right to preach Wahhabist, 1:11:07.750 --> 1:11:11.700 Salafist ideology, which is, that's the theology of ISIS. 1:11:11.720 --> 1:11:16.480 So you're defending Trump? Yes. Okay. That's the worst thing 1:11:16.500 --> 1:11:16.880 you've said? 1:11:17.020 --> 1:11:19.140 That was the subject of the article. That was the 1:11:19.180 --> 1:11:19.620 worst thing I said. 1:11:19.660 --> 1:11:22.689 So you've not said, so why would she be against that, though? 1:11:23.100 --> 1:11:23.950 She was in favor of that. 1:11:24.610 --> 1:11:27.090 So then what is she forwarding to Media Matters for 1:11:27.110 --> 1:11:27.670 them to write? 1:11:27.770 --> 1:11:32.280 Because she knew that because it's a left-wing organization, that 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:35.169 they would use that to try to get me canceled 1:11:35.229 --> 1:11:35.729 or banned. 1:11:35.750 --> 1:11:36.410 It would be negative press. 1:11:36.430 --> 1:11:38.519 And you know this for a fact that she emailed it? 1:11:38.570 --> 1:11:40.070 I don't want to put anything... You know for a 1:11:40.130 --> 1:11:41.479 fact that she's the one that reached out to you? 1:11:41.490 --> 1:11:43.099 I heard it secondhand, so I don't know it absolutely. 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:44.420 So we don't know for a fact. We're just saying 1:11:44.460 --> 1:11:45.160 you're speculating. 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:50.160 PBD asking the softest follow-up question, probably because he was 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:52.599 actually confused by the story that he's being told. 1:11:52.620 --> 1:11:54.890 Yeah, this is a crazy story if what I've asked 1:11:54.930 --> 1:11:56.570 you is the question that I asked you. 1:11:56.810 --> 1:11:57.750 Maybe I've lost my mind. 1:11:57.850 --> 1:12:00.389 And so that follow-up ends up revealing that Nick doesn't 1:12:00.450 --> 1:12:03.170 actually know if this gal sent that shit to Media Matters. 1:12:03.689 --> 1:12:06.320 It's all just part of a grievance story that he 1:12:06.380 --> 1:12:09.140 has about a girl who chose Judaism over him. 1:12:09.689 --> 1:12:11.010 Like, this is crazy. 1:12:11.330 --> 1:12:16.370 Yeah, I, you know, here's what I, as an aficionado 1:12:16.390 --> 1:12:20.030 of a little thing called human history, I do not 1:12:20.070 --> 1:12:23.540 like exactly how much of it has been affected entirely 1:12:23.580 --> 1:12:26.380 because some asshole got rejected. 1:12:25.900 --> 1:12:28.460 By some lady. And that was it. And that's it. 1:12:28.520 --> 1:12:30.690 And now the whole human race has to be different. 1:12:32.930 --> 1:12:38.920 A difficulty in processing these events in life has caused 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:43.500 way more problems than it should. And I think that, honestly, 1:12:43.729 --> 1:12:47.310 I don't think that Patrick Met David had any interest 1:12:47.390 --> 1:12:48.889 in doing a hard-hitting interview. 1:12:48.930 --> 1:12:49.170 No. 1:12:49.350 --> 1:12:53.830 But by fumbling around, he's allowing Nick to say these 1:12:53.910 --> 1:12:56.920 things that an adult observer should be like, You're a. 1:12:56.939 --> 1:12:58.180 Whiny little baby, aren't you? 1:12:58.979 --> 1:13:00.760 Or someone a long time ago should have been like, 1:13:00.780 --> 1:13:04.099 Do you need to talk? Can I help you through this? 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:04.740 Right. 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:07.160 Or like he should have a buddy who buys him 1:13:07.180 --> 1:13:10.019 a drink and is like, let's blow off some steam, dude. 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:13.519 OK, so if I understand correctly, because this woman rejected you, 1:13:13.660 --> 1:13:15.460 you hate the Jews more. 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:17.620 Sir, am I understanding that correctly? 1:13:17.660 --> 1:13:19.730 Look, there's a couple of other steps along the way, 1:13:19.780 --> 1:13:22.050 but it's certainly the first thing I bring up when 1:13:22.090 --> 1:13:23.530 Patrick Bet-David's asking me. 1:13:23.630 --> 1:13:25.870 Feels like that was your that you chose to bring 1:13:25.910 --> 1:13:26.110 it up. 1:13:26.210 --> 1:13:29.370 I didn't I didn't choose like, oh, is this because 1:13:29.410 --> 1:13:30.790 you got spurned by a woman? 1:13:30.810 --> 1:13:30.890 Yeah. 1:13:32.479 --> 1:13:36.500 And I hate to laugh or muck because these are 1:13:36.860 --> 1:13:38.840 normal things that people go through and they hurt. 1:13:39.120 --> 1:13:39.800 You're supposed to. 1:13:39.840 --> 1:13:40.160 Yes. 1:13:40.700 --> 1:13:41.420 Hurt is good. 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:46.120 Moving out of your home is threatening and scary. And 1:13:46.260 --> 1:13:50.790 it's a process of acclimating to the world outside. Getting 1:13:50.850 --> 1:13:54.270 rejected by someone you really like and think that you 1:13:54.310 --> 1:13:57.549 have a ton of shit in common with hurts because 1:13:57.950 --> 1:14:00.590 it questions your sense of yourself. Are you good enough? 1:14:01.470 --> 1:14:04.309 You have to grow through those things. And they're very, 1:14:04.370 --> 1:14:06.570 very hard. And I don't want to mock people who 1:14:06.790 --> 1:14:10.210 experience them and and deal with them healthily. 1:14:10.510 --> 1:14:10.730 Sure. 1:14:10.790 --> 1:14:11.830 Nick clearly has not. 1:14:12.110 --> 1:14:12.290 Right. 1:14:12.990 --> 1:14:17.680 But the rejection that Nick suffered is clearly two pronged. 1:14:18.300 --> 1:14:20.220 There's part of it that has to do with this woman. 1:14:20.500 --> 1:14:23.019 But there's another part. And it has to do with 1:14:23.100 --> 1:14:25.019 Ben Shapiro not wanting to be his friend. 1:14:25.880 --> 1:14:29.460 So in December, some months before, I put out a 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:33.580 tweet on Twitter, and I had about 1,000 followers on Twitter. 1:14:33.580 --> 1:14:33.660 1,000. 1:14:33.660 --> 1:14:36.260 Think of that. It's not a big account. And I tweeted. 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:39.830 I said, if you put China over America, you should 1:14:39.870 --> 1:14:42.870 go to China. If you put Mexico over America, you 1:14:42.890 --> 1:14:44.790 should go to Mexico. You see where this is going? 1:14:44.830 --> 1:14:47.330 I said, if you put Israel over America, you should 1:14:47.350 --> 1:14:51.570 go live in Israel. Shapiro quote tweeted that and said, 1:14:51.729 --> 1:14:55.450 accusing Jews of dual loyalty is the surest sign that 1:14:55.470 --> 1:14:56.430 you're an anti-Semite. 1:14:56.650 --> 1:14:59.090 Out of 1,000 followers? Why would he retweet that? 1:14:59.910 --> 1:15:01.280 Someone must have sent it to him. 1:15:01.310 --> 1:15:03.340 Does he know anything about you at the time? Are 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:05.559 you a formidable name in a circle that he would 1:15:05.570 --> 1:15:06.220 know about you? 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:10.380 He had been tipped off about me because Cassie Dillon 1:15:10.400 --> 1:15:14.019 had filmed this debate I did on campus. She live 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:16.440 streamed it on Twitter, and he saw it. And she 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:18.770 texted him. and said, you got to take this guy 1:15:18.830 --> 1:15:21.510 under your wing. He's unbelievable. He's the next big thing. 1:15:21.550 --> 1:15:24.010 He's a little Trumpy, she goes, because they hated Trump 1:15:24.050 --> 1:15:24.590 at that time. 1:15:24.650 --> 1:15:28.120 Who was their candidate? I know they were DeSantis 2020, 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:31.439 but who were they, 2024, but who were they during 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:31.920 that time? 1:15:32.300 --> 1:15:34.599 In 16, they were for Rubio, Cruz. 1:15:34.900 --> 1:15:37.960 Oh, Cruz. Cruz was back at that time. I remember that. Okay, 1:15:38.479 --> 1:15:40.080 so she says you got to go because he's a 1:15:40.100 --> 1:15:42.120 little bit Trumpy, and then what's his response to her? 1:15:42.460 --> 1:15:43.980 He said, I'll take a look at him. I'll take 1:15:44.020 --> 1:15:44.240 a look. 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:46.380 And she told you that. So she said to you, 1:15:46.600 --> 1:15:48.970 I told Ben he should. And he said to take 1:15:49.030 --> 1:15:49.330 a look at. 1:15:49.350 --> 1:15:50.309 She sent me the screenshot. 1:15:50.330 --> 1:15:50.490 Yeah. 1:15:50.890 --> 1:15:51.150 Oh, wow. 1:15:51.250 --> 1:15:51.470 OK. 1:15:51.910 --> 1:15:54.309 So this woman that he had a crush on forwarded 1:15:54.350 --> 1:15:56.590 his stuff to Ben Shapiro, who looked at it and 1:15:56.670 --> 1:16:00.090 didn't want anything to do with Nick. On multiple occasions 1:16:00.170 --> 1:16:03.110 throughout these interviews, Nick talks about how Shapiro was going 1:16:03.140 --> 1:16:05.719 to take him under his wing. He uses that language. 1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:08.939 But then he decided that Nick was an anti-Semite. It 1:16:09.020 --> 1:16:12.479 clearly really hurt him. And that makes sense. In the 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:14.600 same way that going off to college and having a 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:17.920 romantic interest reject you, those are growing experiences in life 1:16:17.939 --> 1:16:21.580 that suck, so is professional failure. But all of these 1:16:21.660 --> 1:16:24.320 things are a part of life, and instead of encountering 1:16:24.350 --> 1:16:27.590 these things and rising to the challenges they represent, Nick 1:16:27.610 --> 1:16:29.849 just got angry and took to whining about how all 1:16:29.870 --> 1:16:32.850 these sucky life experiences just happened to him because of 1:16:32.890 --> 1:16:36.990 the Jews. These inflection points that he's telling Patrick Badd-David 1:16:37.010 --> 1:16:39.979 about make total sense. It's just that Nick refuses to 1:16:40.060 --> 1:16:42.360 accept that he had some growing up to do after 1:16:42.400 --> 1:16:45.519 he put on a MAGA hat at like age 17. 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:48.810 Growing up is for soy boys and cucks because accepting 1:16:48.830 --> 1:16:51.830 the responsibility and the possibility that the world is bigger 1:16:51.890 --> 1:16:55.809 than what makes you comfortable is woke bullshit. Nick didn't 1:16:55.850 --> 1:16:58.910 grow through these life changes and instead he just became 1:16:58.950 --> 1:17:01.650 an ideologue against the group that he's chosen to blame 1:17:01.689 --> 1:17:02.250 for all of it. 1:17:02.390 --> 1:17:02.570 Yeah. 1:17:03.070 --> 1:17:06.810 And, uh, that's kind of clear from this press tour. 1:17:06.930 --> 1:17:07.230 Yeah. 1:17:07.490 --> 1:17:08.309 I mean, it sucks. 1:17:08.750 --> 1:17:12.939 It sucks that point of view on for, for me personally, 1:17:13.479 --> 1:17:17.800 it sucks because if I am responsible for my failures, 1:17:18.700 --> 1:17:21.740 then I am also responsible for my success. If I'm 1:17:21.780 --> 1:17:24.790 not responsible for failure, then I'm not responsible for success. 1:17:25.390 --> 1:17:27.750 So all of these people have this idea that I 1:17:27.810 --> 1:17:30.550 am not responsible for what's going on around me. 1:17:31.110 --> 1:17:34.630 And then it's, Like, who gives a shit? If you're 1:17:34.670 --> 1:17:37.670 not responsible, then fuck you. Who gives a shit what 1:17:37.710 --> 1:17:38.150 you're doing? 1:17:38.330 --> 1:17:38.990 You know? Right. 1:17:39.050 --> 1:17:39.469 It sucks. 1:17:39.650 --> 1:17:43.310 Like, if the Jews have the power that Nick imagines 1:17:43.380 --> 1:17:46.280 them to have in his weird fantasies. 1:17:46.320 --> 1:17:47.160 Yeah. Guess what? 1:17:47.300 --> 1:17:49.520 All your money is there because of the Jews. 1:17:49.580 --> 1:17:49.820 Yeah. 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:52.000 They've allowed you to become this popular. 1:17:52.040 --> 1:17:53.420 So relax. 1:17:53.540 --> 1:17:57.040 You have no free will over whatever this shit is 1:17:57.100 --> 1:17:58.600 that you're engaged in. 1:17:58.640 --> 1:17:58.720 Yep. 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:02.800 Yeah, it's a game. It's a comical farce. But I 1:18:02.900 --> 1:18:07.200 do think that the difference between Nick and a lot 1:18:07.220 --> 1:18:11.860 of these grifty fucks is he's hurt. 1:18:12.300 --> 1:18:12.500 Yeah. 1:18:13.229 --> 1:18:17.730 He has this pain that happened in a developmental time 1:18:17.770 --> 1:18:21.670 in his life that has become this. And I think 1:18:21.710 --> 1:18:24.250 that when we talk about him being an ideologue and 1:18:24.290 --> 1:18:28.070 we talk about him having principles and an ideology... I 1:18:28.150 --> 1:18:29.620 think it's because of this. 1:18:29.860 --> 1:18:30.080 Sure. 1:18:30.220 --> 1:18:35.340 I think it's more like he has that whatever this 1:18:35.420 --> 1:18:36.300 pain is. 1:18:36.479 --> 1:18:36.700 Sure. 1:18:36.780 --> 1:18:39.560 Has become the outlet is just hate. 1:18:39.860 --> 1:18:40.000 Yeah. 1:18:40.060 --> 1:18:44.560 And all this shit and anti-Semitism and racism and white identity. 1:18:45.229 --> 1:18:47.810 And for a lot of other people, it's a costume 1:18:47.890 --> 1:18:52.460 that they wear. But for him. I think he would 1:18:52.660 --> 1:18:55.510 actually need help to stop. 1:18:56.970 --> 1:19:01.040 I mean, I don't know. You know, like... Could you 1:19:01.060 --> 1:19:04.920 have helped the BTK killer to... Someone could have at 1:19:04.939 --> 1:19:06.220 some point. You know what I'm saying? 1:19:06.340 --> 1:19:06.760 Probably. 1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:11.500 I'm not saying that it's impossible. I'm just saying when. 1:19:11.780 --> 1:19:12.599 Yeah. You know? 1:19:12.850 --> 1:19:13.650 It'd have to be early. 1:19:13.729 --> 1:19:16.830 When was help or... Because I think we're past help. 1:19:17.510 --> 1:19:18.610 Yeah. No, sure. For sure. 1:19:18.670 --> 1:19:19.729 And he's a piece of shit and I don't give 1:19:19.750 --> 1:19:20.280 a fuck about him. 1:19:20.310 --> 1:19:20.790 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:19:21.229 --> 1:19:23.450 And like I said, I don't want to infantilize him. 1:19:23.630 --> 1:19:24.250 No. But like. 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:28.639 It's embarrassing to hear adults like Patrick Bet-David listen to 1:19:28.700 --> 1:19:32.680 this guy tell this story and not have the response 1:19:32.720 --> 1:19:36.099 of like, the fuck's wrong with you? Go to college. 1:19:36.810 --> 1:19:41.650 Have have some tough experiences. Take a couple bumps, you know, 1:19:41.689 --> 1:19:45.050 like you're gonna that's what's gonna happen in life. You 1:19:45.090 --> 1:19:48.590 can't be fucking comfortable around white people all the fucking time. 1:19:49.070 --> 1:19:52.440 Expect the world to just exist like that. the world 1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:56.200 doesn't conform to your Nazi fantasies and trying to force 1:19:56.260 --> 1:20:01.740 it to has created the, like the way people respond 1:20:01.860 --> 1:20:05.120 to Nick is a function of him wanting the world 1:20:05.180 --> 1:20:08.340 to all be his 95% white hometown. 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:09.160 Yeah. 1:20:09.700 --> 1:20:12.400 They're reacting to what he's putting into the world. 1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:17.260 Yep. Anyway, I, they just, they're just too dumb. They're 1:20:17.280 --> 1:20:18.780 just all too dumb. 1:20:18.900 --> 1:20:23.440 And it's like, At a certain point, Fuentes isn't responsible 1:20:23.560 --> 1:20:27.630 for his failures or successes. These people are creating him 1:20:28.189 --> 1:20:29.710 out of fucking thin air. 1:20:29.790 --> 1:20:33.910 It's a large constellation. It's these people. It's, you know, 1:20:33.950 --> 1:20:39.010 the online spaces that enabled and fostered this early on. 1:20:39.370 --> 1:20:41.729 Yeah, I mean, Ben Shapiro, when he only has a 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:45.840 thousand followers, you know, there's a chance at every step 1:20:45.880 --> 1:20:46.220 of the way. 1:20:46.260 --> 1:20:49.660 But these people created him out of all of this bullshit. 1:20:49.760 --> 1:20:51.080 Yep. Wild. Yep. 1:20:51.340 --> 1:20:52.610 And now they're going to be eaten by it. 1:20:52.720 --> 1:20:53.640 Probably. Probably. 1:20:53.960 --> 1:20:56.400 Because that is the way of life. I don't know. 1:20:56.630 --> 1:20:58.769 What else is there to say? The young eat the old. 1:20:58.830 --> 1:21:00.179 We're all going to die, Dan. 1:21:00.300 --> 1:21:01.100 Yeah. Anyway. 1:21:01.870 --> 1:21:05.290 The biggest irony here, I think, is that at this point, 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:08.979 Nick stands to lose way more by being on Tucker's 1:21:09.020 --> 1:21:13.240 show than Tucker does from having Nick on. Tucker could 1:21:13.260 --> 1:21:16.759 interview Goebbels and it would barely matter. 1:21:16.840 --> 1:21:17.639 Yeah, totally. 1:21:17.740 --> 1:21:20.809 But Nick's audience has just listened to Nick go on 1:21:20.820 --> 1:21:24.430 a crusade against Tucker, calling him a CIA agent and 1:21:24.490 --> 1:21:27.670 all this shit. It's a little jarring to go from 1:21:27.750 --> 1:21:30.190 that to buddying up with him in a matter of weeks. 1:21:30.710 --> 1:21:32.610 And I wouldn't be too surprised if some of the 1:21:32.650 --> 1:21:37.740 Groypers don't trust the decision of going on Tucker's show 1:21:37.780 --> 1:21:38.820 and being friends with him. 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:39.650 Yeah. 1:21:40.050 --> 1:21:40.290 Like it. 1:21:40.979 --> 1:21:44.020 It's a play on Tucker's part to smooth things out 1:21:44.060 --> 1:21:44.939 with Nick's audience. 1:21:44.979 --> 1:21:45.259 Yeah. 1:21:45.660 --> 1:21:49.929 But ironically, it may alienate a fair amount of Nick's 1:21:49.990 --> 1:21:50.790 audience from Nick. 1:21:51.030 --> 1:21:51.370 Yeah. 1:21:51.770 --> 1:21:51.970 No. 1:21:52.030 --> 1:21:55.770 And I mean, that's I suppose that'll be, you know, 1:21:55.810 --> 1:21:56.750 that'll be a quarterback. 1:21:56.790 --> 1:21:59.110 That'll be a Monday morning quarterback kind of situation, you know, 1:21:59.490 --> 1:22:01.230 like that is a that's a risk. 1:22:01.410 --> 1:22:01.889 But also. 1:22:02.729 --> 1:22:04.490 The audience is huge, so is it a risk you 1:22:04.510 --> 1:22:07.010 got to take? We'll see how it plays out. It's 1:22:07.030 --> 1:22:08.910 such a tough choice if you're him. 1:22:09.030 --> 1:22:09.269 Yeah. 1:22:09.450 --> 1:22:10.229 That's a tough choice. 1:22:10.250 --> 1:22:13.850 Well, everybody made the right and wrong choice simultaneously. And 1:22:13.910 --> 1:22:14.980 nothing's real, and who cares? 1:22:15.020 --> 1:22:15.740 Right, exactly. 1:22:16.900 --> 1:22:19.680 There won't be consequences for this in real terms because 1:22:19.720 --> 1:22:21.480 a month from now, this will not exist. 1:22:21.540 --> 1:22:22.599 It will be the next thing. 1:22:23.020 --> 1:22:25.240 And the problem with it is that Nick Fuentes will 1:22:25.320 --> 1:22:26.500 continue to exist. 1:22:26.979 --> 1:22:29.350 These people are not erasing him. 1:22:29.910 --> 1:22:33.050 They are creating a situation where what happens today doesn't matter. 1:22:33.350 --> 1:22:36.030 He will still be there next month. And that's fucked 1:22:36.110 --> 1:22:36.510 up for them. 1:22:37.250 --> 1:22:40.330 And I think I think that it's a function largely 1:22:40.630 --> 1:22:44.070 of adults not doing what they need to do. 1:22:44.280 --> 1:22:44.420 Yep. 1:22:45.300 --> 1:22:47.919 Which is not the story of America. 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:48.180 Yeah. 1:22:48.240 --> 1:22:50.139 Adults not doing what they needed to do. 1:22:50.320 --> 1:22:51.340 Yeah. 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:55.219 Not not just saying stop. 1:22:55.900 --> 1:22:58.900 I mean, it's it's hard to it's hard to think 1:22:58.939 --> 1:23:02.349 of anything more impotent than back in the day when 1:23:02.370 --> 1:23:04.870 people were like, surely there were adults coming. 1:23:05.270 --> 1:23:06.230 Mm hmm. Yep. 1:23:06.330 --> 1:23:06.630 Brutal. 1:23:07.350 --> 1:23:09.830 So, um, we come to the end of this and it's, uh, 1:23:09.930 --> 1:23:13.130 you know, obviously I set out to do an episode 1:23:13.170 --> 1:23:15.370 about Tucker and Nick's interview. 1:23:15.430 --> 1:23:16.410 Zero Tucker and Nick. 1:23:16.630 --> 1:23:16.910 Yeah. 1:23:16.990 --> 1:23:21.160 Cause it's the least interesting part of this entire thing. 1:23:21.700 --> 1:23:24.240 And granted these other interviews happened over the last like 1:23:24.300 --> 1:23:27.700 span of weeks, but I do think that the headline 1:23:27.960 --> 1:23:33.100 event is Nick and Tucker doing a friendly interview after 1:23:33.160 --> 1:23:34.900 they've been trying to destroy each other. 1:23:34.970 --> 1:23:35.160 Right. 1:23:35.870 --> 1:23:41.290 Um, It's just the, it's a, it's a, it's a 1:23:41.330 --> 1:23:44.309 comic who has a great set and a horrible closer. 1:23:44.750 --> 1:23:45.830 That's how I feel about. 1:23:45.850 --> 1:23:46.650 Yeah. 1:23:46.710 --> 1:23:47.719 It's not even a good set. 1:23:47.770 --> 1:23:49.580 No, it's not a good set. It's just disappointing. 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:50.720 It's an anticlimax. 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:51.280 Yeah. 1:23:51.300 --> 1:23:56.019 It's, it's somebody who's already successful getting more success than 1:23:56.100 --> 1:23:56.790 not earning it. 1:23:57.060 --> 1:23:57.270 Hmm. 1:23:57.430 --> 1:23:57.550 Hmm. 1:23:58.380 --> 1:24:02.680 So, again, Alejandro, I'm really sorry. You had to listen 1:24:02.700 --> 1:24:03.240 to Nick's voice. 1:24:03.620 --> 1:24:06.200 I mean, in a way, I think everybody can be 1:24:06.300 --> 1:24:09.439 truly grateful that we didn't get to hear the two 1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:11.889 most annoying voices in our cadre together. 1:24:12.290 --> 1:24:14.570 Yeah, I did. There was a part of me that thought, like, 1:24:14.850 --> 1:24:17.850 this will definitely get the X gene going. 1:24:18.010 --> 1:24:20.389 It's so annoying to hear the two of them. Just 1:24:20.510 --> 1:24:22.250 one of their voices is fucking annoying. 1:24:22.350 --> 1:24:25.830 I thought if I played them... we would know for 1:24:26.030 --> 1:24:27.370 sure if you have superpowers. 1:24:27.450 --> 1:24:30.610 Yeah, if Nick laughed at the same time as Tucker 1:24:30.650 --> 1:24:32.849 Carlson laughing, I may develop superpowers. 1:24:32.900 --> 1:24:34.020 That may be what does it. 1:24:34.100 --> 1:24:37.100 Right, but also we could clearly say that if it didn't, 1:24:37.220 --> 1:24:38.200 then you don't have any. 1:24:38.400 --> 1:24:39.300 Right, right. 1:24:39.460 --> 1:24:42.120 Or so that means that powers don't exist at all. 1:24:42.340 --> 1:24:44.120 Much like me and my coat. 1:24:44.380 --> 1:24:44.620 Right. 1:24:45.020 --> 1:24:47.660 The will they, won't they of your superpowers, it's best 1:24:47.729 --> 1:24:48.430 if we leave a little. 1:24:48.439 --> 1:24:49.410 We gotta leave it in the air. 1:24:49.510 --> 1:24:50.370 Yeah. 1:24:50.470 --> 1:24:53.689 To solve that problem would have far-ranging consequences. 1:24:53.830 --> 1:24:54.310 Yeah. No. 1:24:54.700 --> 1:24:57.260 So we'll be back with another episode about some other 1:24:57.300 --> 1:25:00.320 dumb bullshit. But until then, we have a website. 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:01.880 Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:02.980 Yep. We'll be back. 1:25:03.040 --> 1:25:04.180 But until then, I'm Neo. 1:25:04.200 --> 1:25:04.599 I'm Leo. 1:25:04.620 --> 1:25:06.900 I'm DZX Clark. I am the Mysterious Professor. 1:25:07.390 --> 1:25:08.160 Woo! Yeah! 1:25:08.200 --> 1:25:10.110 Woo! Yeah! Woo! 1:25:10.150 --> 1:25:12.129 And now here comes the sex robot. 1:25:12.410 --> 1:25:14.250 Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. 1:25:16.350 --> 1:25:16.910 Hello, Alex. 1:25:17.030 --> 1:25:18.630 I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. 1:25:18.729 --> 1:25:19.450 I love your work. 1:25:19.610 --> 1:25:19.890 I love you.