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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have make some.
Speaker 5: When I tell you I'm a fan of hip hop,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm a fan of pure hip hop. When I
Speaker 5: heard this album, like I was literally in the car,
Speaker 5: and you know the salife that comes out your mouth
Speaker 5: like when you hear something like when you when you
Speaker 5: when when something is good, like like when when your
Speaker 5: when your mom told you on Christmas Day that you're
Speaker 5: gonna get that presence and then you start getting some
Speaker 5: life and you start I was like, I didn't remember
Speaker 5: how much I loved hip hop, like and I didn't
Speaker 5: even know I was just sitting in the car and
Speaker 5: I literally did not get out this motherfucking car and
Speaker 5: I just stepped listening, and then I said, Yo, we
Speaker 5: gotta get them on this album.
Speaker 2: I really want to.
Speaker 5: Thank y'all face to face, but only y'all was my friends.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna did this like, you know, like I could.
Speaker 5: Have called, but I want to really truly give you brothers,
Speaker 5: y'all flowers. Man, this was a breath of fresh air
Speaker 5: for me loving hip hop.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I know this supposed me to intro right, I remonstrated.
Speaker 2: To the interview, but listen, but let me just get
Speaker 2: this off my chest.
Speaker 5: Man for real, as a person that loved hip hop
Speaker 5: and got how much I love pure hip hop. I
Speaker 5: just listened to this ship and I was just like
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 2: It was like I said, it was tears coming out
Speaker 2: of my eyes.
Speaker 5: I was feeling like the day before Christmas when Mom said,
Speaker 5: you know we're gonna put out those those cookies.
Speaker 2: Are saying Sandah, gay dude, this yeah, this is how
Speaker 2: dope that album is.
Speaker 5: In case you don't know who were talking about right now.
Speaker 5: We told my mother, man, I am not you'reating no
Speaker 5: weight shape form or fashion. That ship gave me a
Speaker 5: breath of fresh fucking yeah, like I stood there. I
Speaker 5: was so happy. I was so happy to know you brothers.
Speaker 5: But how did y'all link up?
Speaker 2: Let's let's take this from the from we.
Speaker 5: Know y'all got a history of working, but that's not
Speaker 5: the people know who don't know. And I'm ready to
Speaker 5: possm ship pain. I'm sorry, I'm good, I'm great to
Speaker 5: celebrate my fears. Did a fucking excellent body of work.
Speaker 5: So listen, please, for the people who don't know, let's
Speaker 5: let's describe the relationship on how y'all. Let's pop off,
Speaker 5: Let's pop off? Yeah, well, let me tell you yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: So around like two thousand and two, I was selling
Speaker 5: beats for fifty dollars and somehow, some way, fifty fifty.
Speaker 2: Dollars and my music got out.
Speaker 5: This is like the early days of the internet, right,
Speaker 5: So my music got out and the first person that
Speaker 5: called me out of boot Camp Click was mister Walker Wow.
Speaker 5: And he called and this, you know, this is the
Speaker 5: time he called. I was standing in the house, standing
Speaker 5: in apartment with six niggas and he called the house
Speaker 5: phone and let you know, our old list. He called
Speaker 5: and it was like, okay, so held gonna call you next.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, what like, and I'm living in I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm from North Carolina. I'm living North Carolina. So evil
Speaker 5: he called me after that, and then Drew had called
Speaker 5: me after that, and so he gave me some rem mixes.
Speaker 5: He wanted me some stuff to remixes. I just did
Speaker 5: the remix for God's Son, god Stepson, and so he
Speaker 5: wanted me to do some remixes for Buckshot at the time.
Speaker 5: So I did the remixes. And so after I did
Speaker 5: the remixes, I gave him to him. He was like, well,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna stand a whole b CC down there. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna send them down. So he sent them from North Carolina.
Speaker 5: Who he said he sent them down. It was it
Speaker 5: was this is during little brother matter, and so he
Speaker 5: sent them down and they all came down there. Would
Speaker 5: love that he sent them down. It was it was
Speaker 5: these two guys. It was Sean Price, Rest in Peace
Speaker 5: was a buck shot and they came down in the
Speaker 5: duck down Van, y'all remember it came down And.
Speaker 2: That's when it started.
Speaker 5: Man. That was two thousand and five when I first
Speaker 5: met these guys Sean Brice's birthday today, you know, this
Speaker 5: morning and the this whole week and month. I knew
Speaker 5: I had your brother's books. The one thing that I
Speaker 5: did is I went through the whole you know, duck
Speaker 5: down discography, right. And the one thing that I can say,
Speaker 5: it's you brothers never compromised at all, Like I'm trying to.
Speaker 6: Look for a commercial record, like I'm trying to go
Speaker 6: to the.
Speaker 2: North, but your mother.
Speaker 5: He need a glass too, He need a glass to calibrate, calibrate.
Speaker 5: But was that something that you guys did deliberally was
Speaker 5: like tvate soul good like.
Speaker 7: All honestly, honestly, we didn't know any better. We was
Speaker 7: learning how to make records when we first got with
Speaker 7: Black Moon, with watching him in Calliope studio, breaking all nighters,
Speaker 7: and we always used to say, yo, I'm not making
Speaker 7: a song for the chicks. I'm not making a club song,
Speaker 7: because that was how the labels used to say, Yo,
Speaker 7: we need this for the club, we need this for
Speaker 7: the radio, we need this for the chicks. So out
Speaker 7: of those three, it's just like now all we know
Speaker 7: how to do is make was what we love was
Speaker 7: pure to us, so we never really got trapped in
Speaker 7: that mindset like that.
Speaker 8: And then we also had females that was like, yo,
Speaker 8: what is like a girl? So like they they'll danced
Speaker 8: to like a mom deep song. They danced to a compona.
Speaker 2: They liked it. It was an era to you.
Speaker 9: They know the corner though.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying, peep it out, Like if you're
Speaker 8: not made like that, you're just making something trying to
Speaker 8: cater to us, They're gonna fall back, get up out
Speaker 8: of here that.
Speaker 5: So I'm involved myself in this a little bit, right.
Speaker 5: I remember me making the War Reporter album and I
Speaker 5: wanted to.
Speaker 2: Cross so far.
Speaker 5: I wanted Togas like, don't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that? That's me? Right?
Speaker 5: But I remember a tragedy and I called traged every
Speaker 5: year about this and I say, thank you for not
Speaker 5: let me make this record. I made a record call
Speaker 5: it was it was don't let it go to your
Speaker 5: head now, but originally it was I'm leaving, okay, so
Speaker 5: I'm leaving, which I eventually put on the Firm album.
Speaker 5: But had Trah let that record go, I would have
Speaker 5: never been on the Firm album. So Tras looked at
Speaker 5: me like this. This was the exact words. I will
Speaker 5: never forget it. We sampled like hapock. We don't sample
Speaker 5: like Diddy, So I was like, oh, he was like,
Speaker 5: this record is wack record.
Speaker 2: I was so happy when I kept calling nigga it
Speaker 2: wasn't right.
Speaker 5: But anyway, has there ever been a time where y'all brothers,
Speaker 5: because that was the baby between me and Copone, Like,
Speaker 5: was it anytime that.
Speaker 2: Y'all brothers, you wanted to go a certain way and
Speaker 2: he didn't want to go that way? Have happened? Yeah?
Speaker 2: We had Okay, we had a lot of time.
Speaker 7: Okay, it is definitely a song that was on this
Speaker 7: album that didn't like Yo, I'm not saying that I
Speaker 7: don't want that.
Speaker 2: That's not going to go. We came back like, yo, smoke,
Speaker 2: if you want to join on, take my verse off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn never you know.
Speaker 5: What I mean.
Speaker 2: But I think it was. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean that's what brothers and partners do, right, because
Speaker 7: no one is the head. When you come together as
Speaker 7: a tag team, it's like some let's try this. If
Speaker 7: it don't work, we try that that don't work, then
Speaker 7: we revamped the whole join out right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now for you, these are two legends, all right.
Speaker 2: Is it hard for you to be in the studio
Speaker 2: with them? Yeah, I can't understand.
Speaker 5: You know, it's weird for me because not weird, but
Speaker 5: it's different from me because I'm born and raised in
Speaker 5: North Carolina and I sit in the and I sit
Speaker 5: in a weird position. I'm their age, close to the age,
Speaker 5: but in music years, I'm not their age.
Speaker 2: So it's their fan. I'm a fan.
Speaker 5: So while they were making records in the nineties, I
Speaker 5: was in college. I was doing this, I was doing that.
Speaker 5: So I got into the game. I got into the
Speaker 5: game when I was twenty eight twenty nine years old
Speaker 5: and considering a hip hop that's late, right, So now
Speaker 5: I'm getting in and now I have the task of
Speaker 5: how do I keep their sound and keep their feeling,
Speaker 5: but make it futuristic. You see what I mean. I
Speaker 5: call it futuristic nostalgia, That's what I call it. To
Speaker 5: keep that feeling their brand, because Smith Winston is a brand.
Speaker 5: It's not only a sound, it's a look, it's it's
Speaker 5: you know, the tams everything. So how do I keep
Speaker 5: that futuristic and modern at the same time not lose
Speaker 5: the fans that they've had for years. I think that
Speaker 5: people mess up when they do that. They just forget
Speaker 5: the old fans. You can't forget that, that's the foundation.
Speaker 2: You can't do that.
Speaker 5: So that's my job, Like I have to try to
Speaker 5: find a way because me living in North Carolina, I
Speaker 5: still live around the people I went to college with,
Speaker 5: so I know what they like and I know how
Speaker 5: to make what they need. So I sit in this
Speaker 5: position of I know how to make what I want
Speaker 5: to hear or what.
Speaker 2: A fan in me wants to hear.
Speaker 5: So that's that's how I can tackle that. That's what
Speaker 5: that's what's so beautiful about this album. It sounds like nineties.
Speaker 2: Now, which we said that coming and Pete Ruggers.
Speaker 5: It doesn't sound like it sounds like y'all now, which
Speaker 5: is which is so fucking dope, bro, Like I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna let y'all just do it.
Speaker 2: Is so really because it's umble, y'all going to be humble.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna go ahead and call it a classic
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to fight for that. I'm staying in the water.
Speaker 5: We Nail said, that's my product of sending on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, ninth is a Jedi man, of course.
Speaker 7: I think the very first day we walked in, we
Speaker 7: we were going in I wouldn't say blindly, but we
Speaker 7: didn't know what he was going to paint.
Speaker 2: On this canvas, right And when.
Speaker 7: We got down there because we traveled from the Yo,
Speaker 7: we took a real trip to North Carolina and stayed
Speaker 7: down there to put this together. As soon as we
Speaker 7: walked in, he was like, Yo, we're making a shining too,
Speaker 7: I don't care what you say, and Off the Mustle
Speaker 7: were like, Nah, we ain't. That's definitely not what we're
Speaker 7: doing right now. But the way things was coming out
Speaker 7: and coming together, the joints, and as soon as he
Speaker 7: was playing joints, he was like, Yo, that's that's that's
Speaker 7: the vibe right there.
Speaker 2: And I think we walked that bitch down and this
Speaker 2: is this is our road.
Speaker 3: But that's something y'all did a record with it all,
Speaker 3: I'm saying, but that somebody won entity like the Beat
Speaker 3: Miners Oversaw The All was the album.
Speaker 5: The album before this, Me and this whole council, my
Speaker 5: production team, meet Crisis cash He Jones and Eric g.
Speaker 5: The Great Knots soundtrack, The Young who did blackmince on
Speaker 5: this one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's right. I was like, you.
Speaker 5: Were making the shining. Not gonna call it the shining too,
Speaker 5: but that's what we gotta make. We have to make
Speaker 5: something that feels like that, but it's not doesn't sound old,
Speaker 5: it sounds new, something something right now.
Speaker 8: I think what helps is that these guys don't the
Speaker 8: egos is not there like or like like he's talking
Speaker 8: about being a fan, and I think each one of
Speaker 8: these individuals bring that that same energy and it's it's
Speaker 8: you know, it's competitive, but it's still healthy because you
Speaker 8: can go in any doing here somebody knocking beats like yo,
Speaker 8: who track is that?
Speaker 3: Yo?
Speaker 9: We need that over here and to bring that over here,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: So it's all welcoming and it's a family vibe. So
Speaker 8: it was free for us, which reminded us of us
Speaker 8: of the essence of being in like a D and D.
Speaker 2: So it was all we had to do was show up,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Me for me hearing it, it sounds like you made
Speaker 5: old the records together, every record recall, because that's what
Speaker 5: And I hate just be like that guy in my time,
Speaker 5: but in my time, the records came out better because
Speaker 5: we were all in the studios together. We didn't want
Speaker 5: to send a two California. We wanted to bring that
Speaker 5: shit ourselves.
Speaker 2: Him.
Speaker 5: For me hearing it, I have no inside information. For
Speaker 5: me hearing this album, I can almost tell that y'all
Speaker 5: recorded everything together.
Speaker 7: Any day, Okay, every day, Yeah, every day. I don't
Speaker 7: think Chef Jones. He ain't Chef up on this one,
Speaker 7: but yeah, but yeah, every day we was in there.
Speaker 7: And Knife is he's a real producer, he says.
Speaker 3: Fan.
Speaker 7: I'm definitely a fan of his work from before I
Speaker 7: even you know, really caught on to how dope he was.
Speaker 7: And he's one of those producers that's just gonna not
Speaker 7: let you go in there and talk any bullshit or
Speaker 7: go off this way. He's gonna make sure you in
Speaker 7: the pocket. He's gonna give his his his input, he's
Speaker 7: gonna give you his criticism. And if you don't got
Speaker 7: tough skin, you think you're not ship, you can't be touched,
Speaker 7: You're gonna your feeling's gonna be hurt. But Knife is
Speaker 7: one of those producers that's hands on with it. Like
Speaker 7: even with this album, we all help with the sequence
Speaker 7: of it because you know he DJ so listening to
Speaker 7: a different air, we covering different bases.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But even the verses from Prodigy and Sean Pete sounded
Speaker 3: like they recorded with you.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just saying for this, like they seemed like they was
Speaker 2: meant to be on this. They were.
Speaker 7: They were When the first time we heard the beat
Speaker 7: for the Black Imminence, he was like, you know, I
Speaker 7: can hear Pee on this, So we automatically what Pete
Speaker 7: Sean p Nah, I'm like, oh, we already got a
Speaker 7: Prodigy versus because we did a whole tour with Mob
Speaker 7: Deep and you know, we was building our bond outside
Speaker 7: of Wrap being my bestie was just Ta she passed
Speaker 7: from Tickle Sale, so he was giving me a lot
Speaker 7: of feet in my soul with information about it, and
Speaker 7: I would take it back to her and we'll chop
Speaker 7: it up with her mother and we'll just smile and
Speaker 7: laugh and be like yo. So that's sort of the
Speaker 7: inspiration behind on the Infinity, because she would speak with
Speaker 7: such passion to a mom to be like, yo, we
Speaker 7: I love you from infinity and beyond. So that was
Speaker 7: some of the inspiration, but not to get on track
Speaker 7: when he spoke about the Prodigy, he hear it. It
Speaker 7: automatically reconnected and it was God's time and to be
Speaker 7: once we had the perfect backdrop forward to put it on.
Speaker 7: We just picked up our brains by brushes and it.
Speaker 2: Was in that mix man to make it.
Speaker 3: That's Jake the lumber crazy because you could get people
Speaker 3: that are alive today and recording separate suits.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna sound like that.
Speaker 9: That's and salute the Bernardette Price too, because.
Speaker 2: You know we correct. Indeed, she clear, she clear. Happy
Speaker 2: birthday seance again again. I don't know if I ever
Speaker 2: said the story.
Speaker 5: I think I did, but I would tell you I
Speaker 5: write a show Price to a barbecue and he came
Speaker 5: to the barbecue, but it was on Rabinad.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. He was like, I'm on. I was like,
Speaker 2: you got to He's a very unique, very unique Verson.
Speaker 7: He was one of us that speak speak their mind
Speaker 7: all the time and what you thought about, and he
Speaker 7: was like one of those persons that's very sincere, so
Speaker 7: it might be taken in the wrong way.
Speaker 2: And then at the same time he was hilarious. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's the love.
Speaker 5: Another moment was just recently you guys just had a
Speaker 5: release party and Buster Rhymes came out and gave her like, like,
Speaker 5: how was that to see your your Elder statesman like
Speaker 5: show that love and respect to you guys.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's a phenomenal thing, because I think
Speaker 7: it is any artists once you get into the game,
Speaker 7: that's one of your main goals besides getting money get
Speaker 7: in the bag, is to be accepted and liked for
Speaker 7: what you do by your peers. I think that topples
Speaker 7: a lot of the accolades where it comes to awards
Speaker 7: and everything. Like when you hear Primo say, Yo, you
Speaker 7: got dope beats. So you hear a super hot rapper
Speaker 7: that you like, be like, yo, that's ship.
Speaker 2: You said balls.
Speaker 7: That's now you're like, okay, so what that is is,
Speaker 7: oh man, it was Buster as our man. Salute the
Speaker 7: dragging him and Young Trillion. They gotta joint out. It's
Speaker 7: rocking right now. So, like you said, the Elder Statesman, man,
Speaker 7: when it's come from people like that, it is respected
Speaker 7: by the people.
Speaker 2: That's the audience is received well. And it ain't.
Speaker 7: It ain't coming off as no no Dick Roding type ship.
Speaker 2: You know, nobody.
Speaker 9: Let me add on know, because because that's that's important.
Speaker 8: Because you said earlier, you said, I feel like nineties
Speaker 8: now right in the nineties, we always fucking with each other,
Speaker 8: like we always hustling, and hustle was enough room in
Speaker 8: l worked space for us to rock. And just seeing
Speaker 8: him do that now in this current this current environment,
Speaker 8: it's like it's a lot of it's a lot of
Speaker 8: animosity in the game right now.
Speaker 9: It's a lot of mind mind mind in the game
Speaker 9: right now.
Speaker 8: So to see him because he got an album out too,
Speaker 8: the Equalox, you know what I mean, Dragon Season, So
Speaker 8: for him he could be like, nah, I ain't I
Speaker 8: ain't even stepping out from him to come.
Speaker 2: Through like that.
Speaker 8: It just shows that that artists can have solidarity in
Speaker 8: his time, but you get money, we can have fun
Speaker 8: with celebrate and longevity. We all we all been here,
Speaker 8: We were all from the ninety five alumni.
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Castill try to leave us out the books and all that,
Speaker 8: but we gotta we gotta maintain our mark. But that's
Speaker 8: why we wear tims all seasons for ask kicking reasons.
Speaker 2: Damn. That's that's so beautiful.
Speaker 5: Dam Remember, So I want to ask y'all. We already
Speaker 5: said mab d Yeah who was some of the two
Speaker 5: men group.
Speaker 2: Oh god, you guys will want to work.
Speaker 8: See I'm glad you said that because the Queens was
Speaker 8: last night Queens get the Money and Senegal Smith was like, yo,
Speaker 8: or the next thing we gotta do is they mentioned
Speaker 8: EP M D.
Speaker 2: Wait, Wait versus and that like that. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: absolutely not.
Speaker 9: You're talking about list because like, yo, what's.
Speaker 2: Next after this? Because you got ain't nowhere after this? Right?
Speaker 9: No, no, no, we're saying what artists you said duos?
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, Yo, I'm gonna say see and then first
Speaker 8: but that was my you know, that's seeing then I
Speaker 8: could seem d you know what I'm saying, Like we
Speaker 8: got songs with we got a song with Prodigy, we got.
Speaker 9: A song with Hat, but not a song with Mob.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 9: It's like it's a couple out there.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: We do got the m O P joint though we
Speaker 7: got the m O P.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a few out there.
Speaker 5: Who produced the period.
Speaker 9: Now that's beat money, that's beat.
Speaker 2: A remix.
Speaker 9: Okay, shut up to beat mister wall be word up and.
Speaker 5: What's what what for you?
Speaker 2: Nine.
Speaker 5: What would be an ultimate production? And I'm gonna ask
Speaker 5: you Jet alive, how about how about that? Yeah, let's
Speaker 5: deeto alive.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 5: If God came to you and said you get to
Speaker 5: produce for anybody? Body Dad all live people bring him
Speaker 5: out the grave and no problem.
Speaker 2: Marvin Gaye.
Speaker 5: I I was just about to say, margag I know,
Speaker 5: I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Okay, now, live alive.
Speaker 5: I'm running out of people, Bro, that's tough. You know
Speaker 5: what alive? Jadakis? Mm hmm, Jada, you've never worked with
Speaker 5: no man. We see you needs to be basketball cat
Speaker 5: like me, and we see each other All Star every week.
Speaker 5: Every year we'll go to the NBA All Stars like
Speaker 5: we're gonna get up. We're gonna get up, and we
Speaker 5: never do with Jadakis, but his his son, No, his
Speaker 5: son is nice man, His son is nice.
Speaker 2: But ja Ja, I would love it.
Speaker 5: I never I would have lost money.
Speaker 2: I would have thought.
Speaker 5: Jadakis and Redman, Redman don't smoke weed no more.
Speaker 2: He different different, he's still yeah, he's still.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's crazy to different guy. He's doing pull up,
Speaker 5: he's doing that.
Speaker 2: Came into the game Scott diving with red Man.
Speaker 5: Dam but let me say something that Busters said in
Speaker 5: that speech. He said, because we excelled in life, not
Speaker 5: only in this game.
Speaker 2: Did you did you do you you realize?
Speaker 5: Which one? What what you guys mean to the game?
Speaker 5: That's one, and then too like how far we you
Speaker 5: have k.
Speaker 8: We talk about it. It's not about I don't know,
Speaker 8: I won't say we realize it or whatever. We talk
Speaker 8: about it. We discuss it, but we face so much adversity,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. So it's like, I mean,
Speaker 8: we've been paying dues for a long time and we
Speaker 8: still are like we out here on our own grind.
Speaker 9: This is an independent grind, that's right.
Speaker 8: I mean, shout out to Drew Idh and James, but
Speaker 8: we're out here with the queens right now. We're out
Speaker 8: here with queens. Get the money, Senegal Smith, you know
Speaker 8: what I mean. And the brother came up for this
Speaker 8: and it's like we're putting this together and it reminds
Speaker 8: us like what we was doing then we had a
Speaker 8: little independent label paying for the overhead and the flights.
Speaker 9: But we're doing this now, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 8: So it feels although it's heavy, you know, it's like,
Speaker 8: all right, we look at it and go like we
Speaker 8: earned to own our own our ship. So that's what
Speaker 8: it feels like. And it's like this would it comes
Speaker 8: with being the boss. Boss, not the looks and all
Speaker 8: of that, like he said, the accolades and all that,
Speaker 8: Like this one comes to being the boss the hard work,
Speaker 8: so that part of it is like it feels great.
Speaker 8: And then to be able to sit around the table
Speaker 8: with brothers like y'all, like yo, man, you know, so you're.
Speaker 5: Fully own the masters on this.
Speaker 2: This is our ship, and I think you getting your
Speaker 2: masters back. On another anniversary.
Speaker 7: Thirty five years, we did the Monarch in Brooklyn for
Speaker 7: the thirty year anniversary of Sean.
Speaker 2: It ain't no more. It ain't no more Big six,
Speaker 2: no more.
Speaker 8: And the labels got to realize, like we made them
Speaker 8: mad bread. You know what I mean, break bread. We
Speaker 8: ain't asking you to break bread. We're saying break bread,
Speaker 8: like we don't. We don't have to give valid attack moor,
Speaker 8: nothing like that. It's sensible to go, all right, I
Speaker 8: had your project for thirty five years, like yeah, let
Speaker 8: the guy if you want to sell it, let the
Speaker 8: man sell it. Let it have that's who talking about
Speaker 8: legacy stuff, right, Let him pass it on to his family.
Speaker 8: Your family done went through college or for the Shawn screen,
Speaker 8: I mean things of that nature. So it's like here
Speaker 8: we are two hundred and sixty degrees back home, putting
Speaker 8: out our eighth album together.
Speaker 9: We've been together the whole journey.
Speaker 2: The whole no break. We want to know, no none
Speaker 2: of that crazy.
Speaker 8: We want to stand on our foundations, special West and
Speaker 8: our own this.
Speaker 9: I own that.
Speaker 8: It's not like give me my give my ship back.
Speaker 8: It's like what else do you we talk about?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 8: Like this is we created that. We are the intellectual property.
Speaker 8: So as we walk around, we we're sharing this with
Speaker 8: these guys. So we were helping you make money and
Speaker 8: it's only right to go. Yo, we own that ship. Yeah,
Speaker 8: break as me on that salute the duck down, you
Speaker 8: know what I mean? Lutha Bucktown you say we yeah
Speaker 8: the commission?
Speaker 9: Baby?
Speaker 2: Did you hear r Kelly new record? That makes sense?
Speaker 5: Talking about those He's like about like he's like where
Speaker 5: did all this money go?
Speaker 2: Like that for thirty something years?
Speaker 5: He said thirty something years? Like it reminded me like
Speaker 5: I was like, wait a minute, I was getting stuff
Speaker 5: he was, I thought, nigga, he got a video on
Speaker 5: everything and he's ah everywhere.
Speaker 10: I didn't see the video video talks, but we want
Speaker 10: your other to know.
Speaker 5: Stores about giving people their flowers or they could smell them.
Speaker 5: They thoughts where they could tell them that he drinks,
Speaker 5: they can them. Yeah, y'all got y'all flowers and you
Speaker 5: guys are.
Speaker 2: Yo yo you never got so.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah yo, I'm gonna tell you like when when
Speaker 8: when when text screenshot it when you hit him on
Speaker 8: the ground. Yes, I'm like, wow, that's real, man, I.
Speaker 2: Ain't gonna heard that album.
Speaker 5: I couldn't hold back. I was like, this is my idea,
Speaker 5: was like I need y'all on, you know, because start
Speaker 5: to cutting you off so silly, like not because you
Speaker 5: are my friends, not because I got a relationship with y'all,
Speaker 5: but when I'm sitting there and I'm just listening, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is how if I was to come
Speaker 5: back and make music, I would have to make an
Speaker 5: album that I appreciate that you know, have to like
Speaker 5: be in that alley of that because I was just like, damn,
Speaker 5: I really miss hip hops out like you heard it
Speaker 5: so long, almost crying like.
Speaker 8: It's challenging because you don't know how people are going
Speaker 8: to accept it, right, So it's like we want that
Speaker 8: to happen because it's like we could have gave up,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. It was tough, like we
Speaker 8: was like all right, uh, but then his brother's like
Speaker 8: Drew and brothers like him to have a conversation and
Speaker 8: go Yo.
Speaker 9: The guys is hungry.
Speaker 8: They want to go back to work, like we We
Speaker 8: could be looking around, fishing around, but we got guys
Speaker 8: that believe in us, so we got to be ready
Speaker 8: to work, you know what I mean. So when we
Speaker 8: put that forward, were like, all right, man, hopefully you
Speaker 8: get a little bit and y'all fall in love with
Speaker 8: this again because we love it. That's why we kept going,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. And the ladies that's pushing us,
Speaker 8: they're like, yo, man, we're going to the Grammys this year,
Speaker 8: like you gotta. We're not even thinking about that before
Speaker 8: one think about that stuff. We're just trying to get raps,
Speaker 8: get our money, keep it moving, get our a little
Speaker 8: bit of things and stuff, keep it pushing.
Speaker 9: But it's like a right, we still here. Wow, what
Speaker 9: does that mean?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 9: So we got to make something that's substantial and.
Speaker 7: Just to add on, I think that comes with a
Speaker 7: lot of artists like you. You you do fall out
Speaker 7: of love with it because the business be so manipulated,
Speaker 7: y is, sometimes you have to find other ways to
Speaker 7: do it. And I think for us would really help
Speaker 7: with this album is we left outside of New York,
Speaker 7: outside of the conference zone and actually traveled to his home.
Speaker 7: Like you said, it brought back the feeling of recording
Speaker 7: and D and D like you know how it would
Speaker 7: be going when you come through there.
Speaker 5: That was one of my questions because in my notes,
Speaker 5: that's that was one thing that I literally said I
Speaker 5: was jealous of y'all about because I could feel that
Speaker 5: y'all still was loving it. And at times, if I
Speaker 5: don't love this ship, you ain't gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna do it. So when I'm listening, that's
Speaker 2: what I was listening, not the country.
Speaker 7: We were just listening to what the CNN album, and
Speaker 7: we were just talking about love and he gave the
Speaker 7: perfect line like when you said, Yoop, I didn't want
Speaker 7: to make that's real, that's ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So so that was something that I really paid attention
Speaker 5: to this album, and I listened to you guys voice
Speaker 5: you're breathing, and I couldn't tell that y'all felt out
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 2: So when me hearing you say that just.
Speaker 5: Now actually brings something something warm to my heart because I.
Speaker 2: Know I'm not alone now.
Speaker 5: But like so, so now let me ask that question
Speaker 5: straight up? Have you ever really felt out of love
Speaker 5: with damn?
Speaker 7: Like like this is this is a stand of time
Speaker 7: and a testament like this ship should be studied. We
Speaker 7: got thirty years in the music industry and more than
Speaker 7: that is friendship as brotherhood. So you never see nothing
Speaker 7: on social media. You never say it's taking no cheap
Speaker 7: shots at each other, not a lonely us, but of
Speaker 7: any boot camp. So and then you see Drew and
Speaker 7: you see how we keep pushing forth. But there's been
Speaker 7: times that came up of you like man, fuck this
Speaker 7: shit alright, you know what I mean, especially when you
Speaker 7: see a lot of things that dangle in front of
Speaker 7: your face and you be like, yo, if I just
Speaker 7: did this, then it can possibly go that way. But
Speaker 7: then now I'm chucking out my morals and principles to do.
Speaker 7: So now you have to find something. And I think
Speaker 7: it was more of what the inspiration came and being
Speaker 7: in the joint for a numerous amount of years.
Speaker 2: They help you find, refine the love, and get reve.
Speaker 8: I want to add on too, like salute our brothers.
Speaker 8: That's here ever in Convertible Bird. But when we listen
Speaker 8: to the album, like it just speaks to our testament,
Speaker 8: like for thirty years being in the streets as artists
Speaker 8: and being next to criminals doing crime myselves at times
Speaker 8: and being like, you know, that's part of that is
Speaker 8: part of the unfortunately, that's the part of the blueprint
Speaker 8: of most African Americans coming up in in this North America.
Speaker 8: Like we know the lingo, we know the slang, we
Speaker 8: know we know the hustle talk, we know all of this,
Speaker 8: but some of us find a way to do something
Speaker 8: a little bit different, like whether it's rap or basketball
Speaker 8: or like through rap, we've created other avenues through rap.
Speaker 8: So it's like we didn't know that initially, but we like,
Speaker 8: if this is a hustle world, let's do that. So
Speaker 8: we speak into our testament, and through our testament we
Speaker 8: start to grow and travel and know that we got
Speaker 8: more in common with people in different places and we
Speaker 8: can have more brought up conversations and it's like all right,
Speaker 8: what is our responsibility?
Speaker 9: We can tell you some of the things that we
Speaker 9: messed up at.
Speaker 8: So when you see some of these brothers, they can
Speaker 8: tell you some of the things where they did as
Speaker 8: hustlers in the streets and the time that they did
Speaker 8: as opposed to listening to an artist to talk about
Speaker 8: a glorifying drug dealing at this particular time, at this
Speaker 8: particular age and glorifying things that just gets you murdered out.
Speaker 9: Hell, get you just gone.
Speaker 8: We want to see you live and we talk that
Speaker 8: that's real rap, right, God, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: I want the same thing for you that I want
Speaker 8: for me. I want a better life. Like it's not
Speaker 8: just enough to dangle something in front of your face
Speaker 8: because we still live out here with wolves, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's real. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think you guys could make a classic album
Speaker 3: like this unless you have those trials and tribulations that something.
Speaker 5: But the fact I couldn't, I couldn't feel it, Like
Speaker 5: I couldn't feel them falling out of love. That that's
Speaker 5: that's dope. You know what I'm saying. Like I felt
Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying, Like I felt like
Speaker 5: you never had fell out of love. He fell back
Speaker 5: back to make it out. Yes, I had learned to relearn.
Speaker 5: That's so that's why I'm gonna come and hit you off.
Speaker 5: I mean, for me, I never unfortunately for that, I've
Speaker 5: never fell out of love with it. And probably and
Speaker 5: probably the reason why that helped me because I lived
Speaker 5: in North Carolina and I've never lived anywhere else. And
Speaker 5: so therefore, the music that came out of New York,
Speaker 5: the music that came out of Atlanta, the music came
Speaker 5: out of l A or any other city that just
Speaker 5: permeated hip hop music before we started to make it ourselves.
Speaker 5: I left hip hooper fantasy for me, like I never
Speaker 5: wanted to get get too close to it because I thought,
Speaker 5: if I get too close to it and I get
Speaker 5: familiar with it, and then I get out of it,
Speaker 5: you know. But living living where I live, it's like, nah,
Speaker 5: like you maintained the fan and I maintained the fan.
Speaker 2: Wasn't your beef of a QUI vot some Grammy ship? No,
Speaker 2: let me.
Speaker 6: Tell you, in a Grammy community, you received a lot
Speaker 6: of slack from being on that take more than people think.
Speaker 6: Even with that though, No, like you know, at one
Speaker 6: point I was on the committee. But the thing about
Speaker 6: that was I was calling people to be on it
Speaker 6: with me, and some people say yes and some people
Speaker 6: said no.
Speaker 2: And that's just how that went.
Speaker 11: But explain people to be on the voting committee. It's
Speaker 11: an actual voting community. The way it was it changed again.
Speaker 11: So the RAP Committee, I knew. I knew he was
Speaker 11: going to ask you. He had this before.
Speaker 5: I'm curious, ye know, the Rap Committee was the Gramm
Speaker 5: has never had a Rap committee, never had one. So
Speaker 5: the Rap Committee started in twenty sixteen seventeen, wrapped in
Speaker 5: R and B was combined at one point that right exactly.
Speaker 5: So RAP got its own committee in twenty seventeen, and
Speaker 5: so we were all on the committee together.
Speaker 2: That's what it was.
Speaker 5: But if you had to clear that up, if you
Speaker 5: had a if you were on an album, had anything
Speaker 5: to do with an album, it was like conflict interest.
Speaker 2: So you couldn't.
Speaker 5: Vote for yourself, saying, you know, you can't vote for yourself.
Speaker 2: I would have voted found that just not for yourself.
Speaker 5: You can't vote if the song, if albums are up,
Speaker 5: you just can't have any sale.
Speaker 2: What happened area that category?
Speaker 5: That you're in the category in the year that so
Speaker 5: Damn by Kendrick Lamar four four four by Jay Z
Speaker 5: and Layla's Wasn't Boy Rap City.
Speaker 2: You're kind of flexing right now.
Speaker 5: Just get you produced it Layla's Wisdom, I did Duckworth
Speaker 5: on Damn and I was on I was my label,
Speaker 5: Jamler has a partnership Rock Nation, So it's conflict all
Speaker 5: crossed all Ower.
Speaker 2: There's nothing I can do.
Speaker 5: But even with the Tribe album, at the time, you
Speaker 5: have to submit the album to what you feel like
Speaker 5: the category needs to be in. And at the time
Speaker 5: the Tribe album by their label was submitted as a
Speaker 5: not as a it was urban contemporary.
Speaker 2: It wasn't submitted as a right.
Speaker 5: And this has happened before, even even on the committee
Speaker 5: a couple of times. The Flowers album by Tyler created,
Speaker 5: they tried to say that was an alternative album and
Speaker 5: they try to take it away from hip hop.
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting in the room with all.
Speaker 5: These people that speech right, Okay, I'm sitting room with
Speaker 5: all these hip hop all these non hip hop people
Speaker 5: telling them telling them how hip hop is like you
Speaker 5: can't pegg it. It was like, well, it has instrumental,
Speaker 5: I said, So it's a quick not goddamn it, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 5: So you got to get they said, because of instruments,
Speaker 5: because it sounded musical. So you gotta you gotta think
Speaker 5: how people look at our music outside. Yeah, not even that,
Speaker 5: just just nothing intricate and nothing genius.
Speaker 2: People like like you and knows me absolutely nothing wrong.
Speaker 5: I only did it for two years. I'm not Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I don't see nothing wrong with that. Why why
Speaker 5: were people critiquing you? And I'm outside looking at this
Speaker 5: inside of looking out, so but why were people critiquing
Speaker 5: you because of that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, but I wasn't the only one.
Speaker 5: I mean it was it was some serious hip hop
Speaker 5: lement because I felt like, if we're going to do that, come.
Speaker 2: Off not for real.
Speaker 5: But I had some people in the room that was
Speaker 5: some of my I looked at as Ogz, So I'm thinking,
Speaker 5: is if we're gonna have a rap being judged by somebody,
Speaker 5: why not being judged by the creators and somebody else.
Speaker 2: So so that's what it was.
Speaker 5: And and and when Tribe didn't make it, Q Tip
Speaker 5: got online and you know, I called him, and I'm like, dog, like,
Speaker 5: what are you doing? What's happening right now? So but
Speaker 5: I mean, it's that's my brother man, Like I wouldn't
Speaker 5: be here as a producer sampling all different types as
Speaker 5: a kid in here that he asked me about the
Speaker 5: one of the joint side and sample on Duckworth for
Speaker 5: Kendrick Lamar, and it's a it's a you go slip
Speaker 5: me a record. I'm not looking outside of jazz and
Speaker 5: soul to sample if it was not for q Tip, right,
Speaker 5: I'm not doing it. Q Tip is the originator of
Speaker 5: looking outside of soul and jazz.
Speaker 2: Cool to see Q Tip do a little.
Speaker 5: Bit mad, that was kind of cool, Like I was like,
Speaker 5: you sweat he was mad, but you know, but we
Speaker 5: talked about it. But Q Tip is the architect of
Speaker 5: the last one of the architects of the last thirty
Speaker 5: five years of hip hop man.
Speaker 7: And it's just dope to have somebody like Night, That's
Speaker 7: what I'm saying that has that inside. Yeah, because you
Speaker 7: would have never known that. You always think, Yo, my
Speaker 7: my work is so dope. Why am I not getting
Speaker 7: nominated in these.
Speaker 3: And changed and your category changed after day and you
Speaker 3: stepped away from it as well.
Speaker 2: So you know what, ntil recent years, a lot.
Speaker 5: Of people didn't know that you had to actually submit
Speaker 5: your album for it. So if you don't submit it,
Speaker 5: so a lot of people thought they were snubbed, when
Speaker 5: in fact, a lot of us didn't know that you
Speaker 5: had the.
Speaker 2: Label to submit it for them. Maybe they didn't.
Speaker 5: It's changed since then, but from twenty seventeen to twenty
Speaker 5: look at the albums that were nominated.
Speaker 2: Freddy Gibbs was nominated.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's kind of like Jay Electronica was nominated
Speaker 5: nas you know what I mean, Like they're coming around,
Speaker 5: they come yeah, Yeah, Nipsey Hustle Chronica is nominated for
Speaker 5: that the album he did with Jay. Oh shit, Okay,
Speaker 5: all that was nominated at that time. So even the
Speaker 5: year that that that, Kendrick Damn was nominated at four
Speaker 5: four four it was Damn Rhapsody, jay Z, the Migos
Speaker 5: and Tyler created. That's all of hip hop you're looking at,
Speaker 5: and that's what that's what we wanted to do at
Speaker 5: that time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what it was. And now let me ask.
Speaker 5: All three of y'all something, and I'll start from you,
Speaker 5: do you think our generation and I'm clue to myself.
Speaker 5: Do you think our generation is getting the love that
Speaker 5: we deserve?
Speaker 2: Yes, our generation.
Speaker 7: The mid nineties, I think it's starting to pick up.
Speaker 7: They're they're noticing it more from you can say, from
Speaker 7: when they started, when they did the fifty Year of
Speaker 7: Hip Hop, because they had the big shows and you
Speaker 7: were seeing artists that you haven't seen and you forgot
Speaker 7: about come out and touch these stages. And then once
Speaker 7: NAS did the Yankee Stadium that that bigged it up.
Speaker 7: I think there are certain artists that's getting their flowers
Speaker 7: and just getting recognized from being still in the game
Speaker 7: making dope music. Because it's still some artists that was
Speaker 7: bullshit back then that's still bullshit like that. So the
Speaker 7: ones that supposed to getting noticed I think are getting noticed.
Speaker 7: And it's still a couple of us is trickling and
Speaker 7: they're opening up the doors.
Speaker 5: What you take, Knife, I said, Yeah, I think it
Speaker 5: depends on who you ask. If you ask people my age,
Speaker 5: a little bit younger, a little bit older, yes, if
Speaker 5: you as a fourteen year old, I wouldn't expect you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So I think that's what it
Speaker 5: is that we sometimes we forget to ask to cast
Speaker 5: my age. That's why I say I sent the advantageous position.
Speaker 5: We got to make sure that we can't forget that.
Speaker 5: When when I was making this album, sad to say,
Speaker 5: I wasn't thinking about a fourteen year old, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, first thing I'm thinking about is and
Speaker 5: there's no lie, what is Brooklyn gonna think? That's the
Speaker 5: number at that I was thinking about what is Brooklyn
Speaker 5: going to because I have to make Brooklyn happy first,
Speaker 5: not only Brooklyn, but the age who's living in Brooklyn. Now,
Speaker 5: now the music gets passed down. Cool, but I just
Speaker 5: don't think we can forget about the first generation of
Speaker 5: hip hop consumers and that's.
Speaker 2: What we are. That was deep. Yeah, I got to
Speaker 2: ask you.
Speaker 8: I I think as far as Smith and western Man,
Speaker 8: I've seen a couple of things that had me upset.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 8: Like as far as like being left out of certain people,
Speaker 8: I've seen like hip hop history books of ninety five
Speaker 8: and artists of Brooklyn, Like, you can't do a book
Speaker 8: like that and not have Smith and Weston name in.
Speaker 2: It based on Brooklyn. They left from Western.
Speaker 9: I don't know if it's specifically Brooklyn.
Speaker 8: I know it was about history during that time artists
Speaker 8: like yeah, like Golden era artists, nineties and stuff like that,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. I don't even think Black
Speaker 8: Moon was in there either, So like somebody from the
Speaker 8: family gotta make it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: But more importantly than that, like just to the point
Speaker 8: of like Buster did, like we got to show that
Speaker 8: it's cool, like we we can't allow the the corporations
Speaker 8: and the dollars and what we aspire to do like
Speaker 8: split us apart, like we make the bread, you know
Speaker 8: what I mean. We can negotiate what we have because
Speaker 8: we can walk to the table and be like, well
Speaker 8: I got a song with Nori and I got song
Speaker 8: all all, like we did that last night. So who
Speaker 8: want to pay for that?
Speaker 2: Oh meat? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So it's like, well you said that, you know, bid
Speaker 8: and walk put something on the table. So when we
Speaker 8: come come to the offices with that, like we actually
Speaker 8: don't have to ask for anything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: It's like we have like we're distributed by duck Down,
Speaker 8: but we're the label. You know, we're Smith and Wesson
Speaker 8: is free agents. Like who's running around like we could
Speaker 8: do anything else? But because we love it and because
Speaker 8: we love the fans, and we we actually performing for
Speaker 8: fourteen year olds, were actually taking this album more tour.
Speaker 8: We did a thirty day tour. It's like we're performing
Speaker 8: for man, woman, and child. It's like it's like a renewal.
Speaker 8: It's like, wow, hold up, like you a thirty year
Speaker 8: old came, He's like, yo, this is my son. He's fifteen.
Speaker 8: Parents as my mom came, he's like, my son, he's thirteen.
Speaker 8: And then we just started doing the knowledge like wait
Speaker 8: a minute, hold up.
Speaker 2: The parents be a good parent.
Speaker 8: Yeah, hip hop gonna be and it don't look like
Speaker 8: the hip hoppers, Like how is that hip hoppers supposed
Speaker 8: to look?
Speaker 2: This is?
Speaker 8: This is hip hop is just part of a musical culture, right,
Speaker 8: It's a big whole thing.
Speaker 9: It's part of all of this stuff.
Speaker 8: It has soul in, it has funking, it has folken,
Speaker 8: it everything, and it's like, you know, it makes people
Speaker 8: moves like everything else. So it shouldn't be carted away
Speaker 8: and thrown away. Because Casts is forty five and Cast
Speaker 8: is this age. If you're give him something the substance,
Speaker 8: we should appreciate it. You know what I'm saying I
Speaker 8: grew up on Chuck d I ain't know he was
Speaker 8: my elder. I ain't know how old he was or whatever.
Speaker 8: Like you know, like even sugar Hill Cats, but like
Speaker 8: and that's going to like using uh instruments, you know,
Speaker 8: before sampling.
Speaker 2: But even like all.
Speaker 3: Those sugar Hill records, they were they had a band
Speaker 3: playing right, right. But but to speak to what we're
Speaker 3: talking about, that's the void that we tried to fill
Speaker 3: in terms of like you know, shouldn't light.
Speaker 2: But look, I.
Speaker 5: Look, I look and listen to your album. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 5: this is exactly what we needed, right. I look at
Speaker 5: bustera rohms. I look at Cameron, but he's doing his thing.
Speaker 5: I look at Mace, I look at everybody, and it's like, yo,
Speaker 5: you know, it's a lot more of us from this
Speaker 5: generation that's actually sustaining and living. I can't name five
Speaker 5: new artists and I'm not I'm not being the old nigga.
Speaker 2: I listened to the radio too. I got Spotify all
Speaker 2: that dumb ship. Yeah, I got every world.
Speaker 5: But what I'm trying to say is I can name
Speaker 5: and I'm not trying to this is the generation. But
Speaker 5: it's always better to have that longevity than to have
Speaker 5: that cool quick points. Here's the deal, right, And I
Speaker 5: want to ask all.
Speaker 2: Three of y'all.
Speaker 5: I didn't feel like I got embraced by genervation, like
Speaker 5: my elder statesman at one boy was mean niggas.
Speaker 2: Let's just make me. I don't want to say that.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure y'all went through the same one lot
Speaker 5: because because at first, and and I'm gonna tell you,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say and I admit this, at first, when
Speaker 5: you were to meet Melly Mellon, people like that, they
Speaker 5: wouldn't That's look he put.
Speaker 2: His head down.
Speaker 5: You know he knew this pick up me. But you know,
Speaker 5: like that you have to earn that right to get
Speaker 5: Melly Meller fi Like it's been years before I gave
Speaker 5: Mellie Mellow.
Speaker 2: Melly miller On this place.
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is now I appreciate that then
Speaker 5: I did, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like then I did.
Speaker 5: I didn't feel really and I realized that a lot
Speaker 5: of the other statements back then were like that.
Speaker 2: They were like they wanted you to prove yourself.
Speaker 5: I don't feel I've ever done that to a younger generation,
Speaker 5: like like made them prove themselves. But I don't be
Speaker 5: feeling obligated to talk to them how I wanted them
Speaker 5: to talk to me.
Speaker 2: Am I wrong?
Speaker 7: As a psychiatrist, I think that goes again, like you said,
Speaker 7: it depends on who you asked, because I think right
Speaker 7: now that's the disconnect between the Wayians and our generation
Speaker 7: like these these a lot of niggers. They only respect
Speaker 7: the bag and then if you got the bag, then
Speaker 7: and their gang gang and a nigga will yes Man
Speaker 7: you to death, will Big Bro you to death if
Speaker 7: you've got the bag, and this nigga be twenty years
Speaker 7: older than you. But I think that's what the disconnect
Speaker 7: from the Wayians or today in the generation because we didn't,
Speaker 7: like you said, we ain't know the eldest at one time,
Speaker 7: they was looking at us like you saying, we're looking
Speaker 7: at them. So we had to learn how to even
Speaker 7: maneuver to get that respect and then to reply that
Speaker 7: expect to make them want to come aboard and be
Speaker 7: like yo, o gee, I see what you're doing or
Speaker 7: I get it. That's why we talk to like what's
Speaker 7: the name of the joint the crossroads in Brooklyn?
Speaker 2: We go into these jails.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if we go into the youth prisons before they
Speaker 7: really get caught up and swept away in it and
Speaker 7: try to I'm not saying our way is the right way,
Speaker 7: or you better do it this way or you're going
Speaker 7: to be fucked up and go to jail.
Speaker 2: I'm saying you hear.
Speaker 7: Now, learn from that experience, and now look what we
Speaker 7: can offer you or do together to show you how
Speaker 7: to move on. We ain't got to be best friends
Speaker 7: and hang out every day, but just to show you
Speaker 7: and to be like, yo, this is how you maneuver
Speaker 7: and you can get out and you could do other things.
Speaker 7: That's what it disconnect lies for a lot of the
Speaker 7: Waiians and this generation.
Speaker 8: And you gotta and just like you asked, you said,
Speaker 8: are you wrong? Like I think part of it you're
Speaker 8: not wrong, but if you ask the question, and you
Speaker 8: probably are. You know what I'm saying, Because you want
Speaker 8: to say something, You want to say something, but it's
Speaker 8: like like even you know, like I grew up, I
Speaker 8: grew up around you know, as a young and like
Speaker 8: like even eight years old, like I had to, I
Speaker 8: had to earn the respect of the elders.
Speaker 2: You can't just talk to me so you're not wrong
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 8: Like dudes, and like you said, the wayans is like
Speaker 8: they they sometimes people want to skip the line. It's
Speaker 8: like there's things you gotta do to get here, and
Speaker 8: we and as the eldest, you're not wrong for wanting
Speaker 8: them to kind of like yo, respect that you can't
Speaker 8: sit here yet you gotta stay over there, even coming
Speaker 8: up in the crib kids, not to say kids and
Speaker 8: all of that, but it's like it's things you got
Speaker 8: to learn, you shit. And even for us, like when
Speaker 8: we saw Black Moon in the studio, we wasn't like, yo,
Speaker 8: let's get into yo hear my sixteen Like it's times
Speaker 8: when we be in the studio, I think it's becoming
Speaker 8: in the studio be like yo, son spit something like
Speaker 8: I don't want to hear that ship right now.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 8: So I might seem like I might seem like wrong
Speaker 8: at the moment I'm supposed to be schooling you and
Speaker 8: in the way I am, but that's not the one.
Speaker 8: That's not the version you want. So sometimes you got
Speaker 8: to give them that tough love. We came this far,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, not to just give freebies away,
Speaker 8: like we chopped down all these trees to build land on,
Speaker 8: you know, the build on this land, not just to
Speaker 8: come have squatters here and be like nah, old snap,
Speaker 8: now this is your good.
Speaker 9: Thanks.
Speaker 8: So in that response and that in that regards, it's
Speaker 8: our responsibility to give you some gems because we was
Speaker 8: there when when we didn't get gyms, we was the
Speaker 8: we we're the reflection of that cross roads where we
Speaker 8: didn't get the gyms.
Speaker 9: Everybody was like, yeah, let.
Speaker 8: Me see what you're gonna do, a little nigga, you
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. So so so we we we
Speaker 8: can do that. Or because he's a professor, he's given
Speaker 8: school you know what I mean, schooling people on. People
Speaker 8: want that information, don't just put it on the on
Speaker 8: the on the social media and it gets mixed up
Speaker 8: and all construed by people who don't really know the culture.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, I've been a university professor for the
Speaker 5: last twenty years or nineteen years see currently now Duke University,
Speaker 5: and soversion for the last the whitest of the whitest
Speaker 5: school out.
Speaker 2: Sound like.
Speaker 5: I teach you the African The African American Studies program
Speaker 5: hard with the number two African American Studies program in
Speaker 5: the country, but number two in the country. I think
Speaker 5: for me, man, you know, passing the torch is important.
Speaker 5: How you do it is up to you. I've never
Speaker 5: had a problem with anybody younger than me because this
Speaker 5: generation now grew up listening to my beasts on YouTube.
Speaker 5: So it's just it's different from me. So for the
Speaker 5: you know, although he's not young anymore. For the little
Speaker 5: yachties I talked to from time to time from made
Speaker 5: in Tokyo that I talked to even at one point
Speaker 5: ten years ago, Kendrick, you know, I was a young nigger.
Speaker 2: Cole was a young nigger. Drake was a young nigger.
Speaker 5: Nipsey, Hustle, Rest and Peace, mac Miller, all the ones
Speaker 5: I kind of, you know, talked to over.
Speaker 2: Time, and you know they're doing that thing now.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've always been a teachabook type person, so
Speaker 5: I'm always gonna talk to them about something regardless of
Speaker 5: give them some type of because because I truly believe
Speaker 5: there's a difference between the elder and the old nigga,
Speaker 5: and we got too many old niggas. We need elders.
Speaker 5: We need elders to pass down whatever. It's tough. Love
Speaker 5: for any kind of love because some of these kids
Speaker 5: ain't never had no love of any kind.
Speaker 2: So that's that's how I look at art, and I.
Speaker 3: Think there's generationally there's things that could be learned both ways. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but understanding because the newer generation it is instant gratification,
Speaker 3: right old generation, the analog generation understands pain dues.
Speaker 2: You got to figure out how you mentioned.
Speaker 8: It right there to have a conversation, right and see
Speaker 8: here we are like this is this is across those
Speaker 8: right here because this is the table, Like you think
Speaker 8: we're gonna come here and everything is a party party,
Speaker 8: like like what the homie Gilly said, Uh, we we
Speaker 8: respected and looked up to the hustling.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 8: Most of us knew our position, like we might have
Speaker 8: dipped our toe in there and knew like that first
Speaker 8: dragon snap was like I means, let me reposition myself.
Speaker 9: So it's like it's the gratification.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not rap though it's not like let me
Speaker 8: wrap and get the bag and then if I got competition,
Speaker 8: let me wipe them off the planet. Like it's it
Speaker 8: could be structured in a way. Where as as you know,
Speaker 8: like we we had things like Jack the Rapper and
Speaker 8: how can I be down like.
Speaker 2: There is there is no gage. Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 8: It was consistent enough for us to have these conversations
Speaker 8: and get to know who's the next artist.
Speaker 2: And you physically when you physically.
Speaker 8: Instagram so that it takes away from it takes away
Speaker 8: from the feeling of it, but it's still there and
Speaker 8: it's still opportunities to have it when we have places
Speaker 8: like this.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Do you think that the
Speaker 2: whole crew.
Speaker 5: Are all the illest crew to ever do it? I
Speaker 5: mean when you think about all the layers to the label,
Speaker 5: like that is that is.
Speaker 8: The layers I look up I aspired, like you know,
Speaker 8: I like the wool Man. I like how they did it.
Speaker 8: Man like w Tang blueprint.
Speaker 2: Is always the yard versus against verse. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7: Would ask, oh man, that'll be.
Speaker 2: Against red and gold.
Speaker 5: You know I got I got goosebumps again.
Speaker 2: Y'all.
Speaker 5: Just don't think though, and I love Wan. I think
Speaker 5: the who Tang is the greatest super group ever symbol. However,
Speaker 5: I don't think there's many crews out there that if
Speaker 5: you look at a Timberland, you think of them first.
Speaker 5: When I look at a Timbland shoot boot I think
Speaker 5: of boot camp first because it's one thing to be
Speaker 5: a crew, but it's another thing to happen. And now
Speaker 5: I'm talking like the kid when I was in college,
Speaker 5: let's go. It's one thing to have a group a crew,
Speaker 5: but it's another thing to have a slang. The way
Speaker 5: they spelled stuff like it wasn't clappers, it was clap us.
Speaker 2: You know, it's one thing that have all even slip.
Speaker 3: The West, we're still sucking up the one that that's.
Speaker 5: Everything that comes with the boot camp clok it came
Speaker 5: with it, fatigue, you know what I mean, just wearing fatigues,
Speaker 5: like everything that comes with whether they made it up
Speaker 5: as they're going along or whatever it is, it is
Speaker 5: connected to this crew of people. And there's not too
Speaker 5: many crews in hip hop that has it.
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's that's legacy right there. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that day come over, the night.
Speaker 8: We were going that we spent time with each other
Speaker 8: because we didn't have no elders, right we like it's
Speaker 8: like Buckshot act like the old man salute the buck,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. It's like he had he's
Speaker 8: a visionary and he's not just a rap guy. It's
Speaker 8: like he sees things. He's like, I want to put
Speaker 8: this here. I want to start seeing the pieces. So
Speaker 8: it's like, all right, we we knew we had meetings
Speaker 8: with like certain words we can't use, you know, and
Speaker 8: we started sounding too much like the red You mean,
Speaker 8: like we're going to tone that down a little bit.
Speaker 9: Certain words you can't rhyme with.
Speaker 8: And you know, ranks is important, and rewards and penalties,
Speaker 8: all these things is important. We trained each other structure. Yeah,
Speaker 8: we got a structure, and you know, we were still wild.
Speaker 8: We were still young and youthful and we it's a
Speaker 8: lot of things that we didn't know. Like you know,
Speaker 8: Drew High is great because he didn't try to row
Speaker 8: us when it was time to get through paperwork, which
Speaker 8: is important again because we never signed no contracts with
Speaker 8: these guys, right, Like we never signed to duck down.
Speaker 2: So it's like nobody ain't nobody.
Speaker 8: You can say that, like when you talk about the
Speaker 8: layers of it, like I don't know nobody else situation,
Speaker 8: But we have what we had and we built it
Speaker 8: on how we built it, and I'm grateful for that
Speaker 8: because we have that bond that you know, I guess
Speaker 8: helps us to continue because we know it's still more
Speaker 8: ship to get absolutely you know what I'm.
Speaker 5: Saying that that that's loyalty rights, has been no discrepancies.
Speaker 2: And things like that. Yeah, that's that's something to be
Speaker 2: proud of. Man. Well, we're going to do quick time slides.
Speaker 3: Let's go man, all right, cool, honey, we need a
Speaker 3: doesn't drinker first, some some things come on.
Speaker 2: Oh we're gonna get.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, go over the rules. I think you guys
Speaker 3: know the rules. We'll give you two choices. Listening, yep,
Speaker 3: two choices. Pick one. We're not drinking if you if
Speaker 3: you say both or neither of the politically correct.
Speaker 2: Answer, then we all drink. So both did.
Speaker 3: No, No, no, both Like if you don't answer, if
Speaker 3: you don't pick, we drink. And that's basically what it like.
Speaker 3: I thought that both was you didn't have to drink
Speaker 3: last time. No, no, both is drinking and neither is drinking.
Speaker 3: Pick Okay, we're not drinking. Really, it's just about bringing
Speaker 3: up names. It's not to be found of nobody or nothing.
Speaker 9: I'm drinking some some some marriage. You want to juiced
Speaker 9: by my my girl, my sister.
Speaker 2: And but but we got something he gonna take a
Speaker 2: couple shots.
Speaker 5: On you on your behalt. Yes, all right, so I'm starry.
Speaker 2: He volunteered for the Winter im Shining though. We got up.
Speaker 2: We got whatever you want.
Speaker 5: We got okay, yeah, because you know you're gonna be
Speaker 5: politically correct, We're gonna.
Speaker 2: See you take it from the bottle. You know what,
Speaker 2: I might have to start with fun, y'all? Fuck it? Okay,
Speaker 2: jay Z or Big Daddy King, as far as whatever, whatever.
Speaker 5: The crack in your whatever criteria, you.
Speaker 2: Could have liked the haircut, whatever, whatever it is. Damn
Speaker 2: they both steyning niggas too, man, short shots from how
Speaker 2: to not be Niggas know not. I'm just being someone
Speaker 2: from Brooklyn. Drink. So let's go. You got to shot.
Speaker 2: You know what are you drinking? Champagne? Nag champagne? That vodka? Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll do vodka. Let's do yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing, I'll
Speaker 2: do vodka. Fucking We got to kill. We have to
Speaker 2: kill all we got you could we have?
Speaker 7: That ain't real to kill. I don't like, no, it's not.
Speaker 7: That's because I'm saying you want fucking I do vodka.
Speaker 2: All right, So we're taking the shotow right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's all right, let's get it this little shot,
Speaker 5: all right, because what did we say? Both both? Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I ain't gonna lie to you. See big Daddy Cane,
Speaker 5: I'll be telling him, you know my bushes because yeah, kid,
Speaker 5: I come out and tell my busher no on my
Speaker 5: bushy eyebrows.
Speaker 7: Let me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was that kid, and.
Speaker 5: I had the flat top to my ship. Ain't kind
Speaker 5: of a flat. It didn't quite flat, but it was.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was getting there, Scarface of ice Cube, that's not
Speaker 2: that's that's that is you all the way? So you
Speaker 2: all the way. That's tough. He said, that's easy. That
Speaker 2: shouldn't be easy. Really good at it? Scarface? Is there
Speaker 2: a time of yees? Any reason?
Speaker 5: Mind playing tricks on me? The greatest greatest mental health
Speaker 5: song ever made? It is, that's what else said that. Yes,
Speaker 5: I didn't even know that it was a mental.
Speaker 2: Health song, all right. Tupac and d m X.
Speaker 9: Tupac man.
Speaker 2: Any stories though, guys, of course they got story, they
Speaker 2: got stories.
Speaker 9: I mean, you know it's the lies personal, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
Speaker 8: Like I bet Tupac moms Man, Feenie's Peace and Queen,
Speaker 8: like I see like I feel like that's my brother,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, Like I feel like his
Speaker 8: mom's is my auntie, like like.
Speaker 9: Like his spirit like I was.
Speaker 8: I could say he's a panther, but it's it's more
Speaker 8: than that, you know what I mean. I could see
Speaker 8: a dude that's trying to find his place, going from
Speaker 8: place to place and like just trying to tell people
Speaker 8: how dope they are and then being angry that motherfuckers
Speaker 8: don't want to listen to it, like his whole struggle.
Speaker 8: I feel that, you know what I mean, He put
Speaker 8: that in. He put that out there for us in
Speaker 8: so many different ways. Like you know, X Man is
Speaker 8: exus crazy, but Pocket is that guy.
Speaker 2: Man? Where do I begin? Do I get with the
Speaker 2: story first?
Speaker 7: Or I picked the who I say first? Over the
Speaker 7: story of Pocket? I used to have when when he
Speaker 7: was filming? Which one was he doing off the rim
Speaker 7: when we was out there? When we was out there,
Speaker 7: I think it might have been BULLETEDAD related. So we
Speaker 7: would come from the studio to the movie set, back
Speaker 7: and forth, and every day every morning, like four thirty five, they.
Speaker 2: Were bust into my room. You'll take I got this,
Speaker 2: I got this, put this restaurant, this go shooting like
Speaker 2: your pockets like the morning. What is wrong with you? Shoot?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm like your pot. I'm not putting
Speaker 2: on a vest standing nowhere. We're not shooting nothing that.
Speaker 7: Shoot the gun. No, he had a vest. I had
Speaker 7: a vest, big like, nah, we can't do this. And
Speaker 7: I think I had him stop smoking cigarettes for like
Speaker 7: a week.
Speaker 2: He was heavy.
Speaker 7: He was heavy. I had him stopping for like a week.
Speaker 7: But uh, X is a different animal too.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: I think I will. I think I will go with X.
Speaker 5: You're gonna drink just because y'all disagree, they cancel each
Speaker 5: other out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cancel each other.
Speaker 7: Wait if you disagree, drink is my sad brother?
Speaker 2: Man? Yeah, Mom deep or m O p o, No,
Speaker 2: you can't do it. Can't drink drink? I would just drink.
Speaker 9: I can't I drank, but.
Speaker 2: Can I of course? Mom deep over m O p.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say this and people get mad when I
Speaker 5: say this, and there's no this, nobody at this table.
Speaker 5: This is how I feel. This is my opinion. The
Speaker 5: Infamous is the greatest New York rap I've ever made.
Speaker 7: God right here, right here.
Speaker 5: Because I agree and disagree, let me take a shop
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 2: You agree and disagree. Yes, because in a lot of
Speaker 2: ways it makes no sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't understand where you're
Speaker 5: coming from. But for me, the matic is up there. Personally,
Speaker 5: it's illmatic right something. But for me, when it comes
Speaker 5: to the group effort, if there's no Infamous, there is no.
Speaker 2: You gotta bengue fucked up.
Speaker 5: If anybody outside of New York, if you ask them
Speaker 5: one one of the beats or a beat that represents
Speaker 5: or a song that shook ones and Prodigy. I've always
Speaker 5: said that Prodigy has the greatest opening lines of hip hop.
Speaker 5: I can't underhear the project stove now, now you can't
Speaker 5: I hear that?
Speaker 8: Yes Slutor his daughter too. By the way, the Apology's
Speaker 8: daughter thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fox Mom. So are we taking shouts? And yes? Okay?
Speaker 2: Next one rock Kimcarros one takes seven of them.
Speaker 9: I feel like I did that the same question. The
Speaker 9: last one.
Speaker 7: Run might up at the same time.
Speaker 2: Easy does rocking? Easy rock? Anybody else want to answer?
Speaker 2: A guy would be the changed rying flow. He didn't
Speaker 2: curse any dang curse for one.
Speaker 3: If we found that curse on one track, I don't
Speaker 3: even thinks.
Speaker 2: The Rosetta Stone, Bro, He's a Rosetta Stone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he's still rocking right now, just seeing you
Speaker 7: trying to black teacher.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, this is.
Speaker 2: Yeah lot.
Speaker 5: You know, care Rest is the only motherfucker I ever
Speaker 5: went to his concert and I left knowing more than
Speaker 5: I knew before.
Speaker 4: I want to listening gave me information I need.
Speaker 2: His state permoments is like his amazing Yeah, Okay, I
Speaker 2: like this. This is directly for you.
Speaker 3: Okaheadt different, We're gonna go.
Speaker 2: We gonna start with you first, Cream Pete. I knew
Speaker 2: you was going to ask me that. Let's get do it.
Speaker 5: Let's see how honest you this is fucking you up? Okay,
Speaker 5: as it pertains to me. As for me, yes, not accolades,
Speaker 5: not anything, not catalog. For me, it's Pete Rock because
Speaker 5: he's the greatest. To me, he's the great He has
Speaker 5: the greatest ear. Hip hop is choices right because he
Speaker 5: can take Pete Rock can take five records from different
Speaker 5: genres and make a beat out of it. Not too
Speaker 5: many people that can do that, And I just have
Speaker 5: never seen. If you look at if you play the
Speaker 5: sample and you played what he did to it, Pee
Speaker 5: Rock is the greatest manipulator of samples to me. And
Speaker 5: I know people watch this sat Dealer, they don't say Dealer,
Speaker 5: Rest in peace, J Dealer, but me, mad Lib, J Diler,
Speaker 5: just Blaze, Kanye West, all of us learned how to
Speaker 5: manipulate samples from Peter Rock, Pete Rock.
Speaker 2: Primo.
Speaker 5: It's really we live he rock man. Yeah, did y'all
Speaker 5: follow him on Instagram?
Speaker 2: Rock yo? He what he liked Jamaican comedy. He is
Speaker 2: heavy on rock. Yeah, yeah, you know out Wood you
Speaker 2: bust us. You know, I love be Jamaican.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Jamaican Queen of Tea for m c l like anybody.
Speaker 2: Ship that guy for me is as light as a rock.
Speaker 7: That was that was That was my my traveling in
Speaker 7: high school music like and she had joined the k stuff.
Speaker 2: Right should they Neither of them wrote thrown.
Speaker 9: The masking mask.
Speaker 2: Big you doesn't stop doing something, Queen Latifa.
Speaker 8: I know, I know, I know they had probably some
Speaker 8: of the stuff was getting written by other parts people,
Speaker 8: but I know tracks wrote some stuff.
Speaker 9: Shots, but that's later.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: That's a tough one, man, because MC light Man, Yeah,
Speaker 8: that light is a rock.
Speaker 2: She just loaded me up over.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're gonna have to take shots on that.
Speaker 2: You know what that story?
Speaker 7: Drink?
Speaker 2: What the record you got? I got shots. I don't
Speaker 2: like it. I don't like you gave me. You gave
Speaker 2: me what we drinking? You just want to drink.
Speaker 9: I'm drinking so serious?
Speaker 2: So did we picked who y'all picked? Queen? I'm drinking
Speaker 2: slim over there, So they ain't right? They rhymes. I was,
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't want to that. Nobody said. I
Speaker 2: was asking. I'm gonna research that. We'll get back to.
Speaker 5: I want this all right for you? All right, reasonable doubt,
Speaker 5: all ready to die? Yeah, that's that Brooklyn ship.
Speaker 2: Ready to die.
Speaker 7: Ready, Yeah, haty to die, baby baby established and alivest one.
Speaker 2: But curious, okay, reason I felt like he was gonna
Speaker 2: say reasonable doubt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, three Primo bes, the Great Clark Camp was on
Speaker 5: their Ski was on their.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Piece of Clock, great album, No great album.
Speaker 9: That's another sage brother.
Speaker 2: You asked this one.
Speaker 3: The beat miners are sole counsel.
Speaker 2: Counsel, what are we talking about? My team? First? But
Speaker 2: he talked on that. You gotta take you that fair enough. Man.
Speaker 5: You know he's on Oprah's magazine cover every month, Oprah.
Speaker 4: You got that every month.
Speaker 2: You know it's on a cover. You know who's on
Speaker 2: the April Oprah you sing?
Speaker 5: So you better big yourself up, don't research that. I
Speaker 5: will say this though, I will say this about evil
Speaker 5: did mister Waller. You know they talked about when Drake
Speaker 5: first dropped, you know, they talked about forty when he
Speaker 5: filtered beats and Drakes sounded like he was wrapping on
Speaker 5: something that sound underwater. Like that's a Beat Minus thing,
Speaker 5: you know, like all of that, like everything buck them down.
Speaker 5: Anything that had they put a filter on and then
Speaker 5: just took the filter off.
Speaker 2: That's a Beat Minors thing. And did the filter automatically
Speaker 2: make a baseline almost? Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes, And that was the beauty about Beat Minors like
Speaker 5: to have that. They did it on a lot of records. Man,
Speaker 5: So I don't think we'll be doing that if it
Speaker 5: wasn't for Beat Minors.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm and this is not because they're my team.
Speaker 8: Like I'm gonna go with the Beat Minus as tough
Speaker 8: as it is, it's easy for me because like they
Speaker 8: gave us a.
Speaker 9: Sound, you know what I mean, Because like now the
Speaker 9: Arillmatic album.
Speaker 8: Is dope because you got different producers doing different things.
Speaker 8: So we love all of these songs and we knew
Speaker 8: these producers for that. But mister walk sat with us,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. He cultivated us and put
Speaker 8: us with certain things. And that's part of why we
Speaker 8: ain't never do that crossover type of vibe too. So
Speaker 8: we try to grow into what we was, whatever we
Speaker 8: was to be. So them brothers helped us a great
Speaker 8: deal with that.
Speaker 2: Just I'm shaking, just the safe beat mine just making up.
Speaker 5: New rules and that point he just killed, He just
Speaker 5: killed them.
Speaker 2: Taking to who the mama do guard where.
Speaker 5: We're celebrating today?
Speaker 2: I just want I just want to.
Speaker 8: And I just before we go, because I got to say,
Speaker 8: you know, saluted the Queen's fore like, because you ain't
Speaker 8: gonna you ain't gonna.
Speaker 9: We're not gonna leave on that.
Speaker 2: You can't leave on that. You know, I love them going.
Speaker 9: That's a fact, you know.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the fact that.
Speaker 2: No question the handboy calling the windmill, will you come
Speaker 2: back place? Yeah, a couple of Puerto Rican My name
Speaker 2: is Ton Cool. An ultimate question, did you have a
Speaker 2: glove on or no glove?
Speaker 9: No glove, no glove, no glove glove.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had to go ahead. He was playing you
Speaker 2: playing hard.
Speaker 5: That's they call it.
Speaker 2: The f L Studio or m PC two thousand XL
Speaker 2: f L Studio. I made.
Speaker 5: A revolutionized the culture with that, you know.
Speaker 2: I made you know.
Speaker 5: I made jay Z Thread on the f L Studio
Speaker 5: twenty five minutes. I made I'm a Girl for Disney
Speaker 5: Shallow f Hill Studio. I made Good Woman Down for
Speaker 5: Mary J. Blige, Honey boyle By Dude, all of this
Speaker 5: on f L Studio. So that at a time where
Speaker 5: they laugh used to laugh at me for making bets
Speaker 5: on computer.
Speaker 2: Not everybody make bets on computer. It's an f L studio.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you just real quick, and you
Speaker 2: just feel like you got this? Do you have Erica?
Speaker 2: I do instance.
Speaker 11: Say something that said you like, you know, we don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because we're gonna get some somehow get America.
Speaker 5: We gotta we gotta be got to support with I mean,
Speaker 5: we can't find it. It was so I don't know
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 2: If you like you had a box and.
Speaker 5: Hordable, I'm just play Okay rhaps or Nicki Minaj Rhapsody,
Speaker 5: and of course people are gonna watch this and thinking
Speaker 5: about you know, accolades or whatever. Man, but Rhapsody is
Speaker 5: pain like dangerous who she rapped with, Like she purposely
Speaker 5: wanted to rap with a black doll or bust rhymes
Speaker 5: ab so Kendrick Lamar just to prove that her pen
Speaker 5: is as vicious as anybody else's.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Recently I feel like she's really like.
Speaker 5: Yeah and she and she writes all us who writes
Speaker 5: that stuff? Who don't okay?
Speaker 2: Cool? Rhapsody writes all of her rap rap raps.
Speaker 5: Pen is dangerous and the rat with us She's supposed
Speaker 5: to be on drink Champs soon. Just yeah, yeah, salute
Speaker 5: to Ocean Draft, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, Gangstar or e p M d.
Speaker 7: Uh damn cold mmm just for the strength of I
Speaker 7: gotta say both. But okay, I mean for me coming
Speaker 7: from the p M D camp. That's effects was like
Speaker 7: some of the first rappers that I personally visualized pulling
Speaker 7: up big benses inside.
Speaker 2: Of the park on the curve with forty below tims
Speaker 2: On because.
Speaker 7: Each New York and dreads and little short niggas like.
Speaker 3: Like man, yeah, they I don't think they get enough
Speaker 3: credit that they deserve, even this question.
Speaker 2: That's what hmm, but you said gang story though he
Speaker 2: said both both you was like you run to say something.
Speaker 2: E p m D E p m d E p
Speaker 2: m d.
Speaker 5: Man strictly business, unfinished, business, business as usual, business, never personal.
Speaker 2: It is hard, and that's in order.
Speaker 5: It's it's hard to have four great albums back, too bad, bro, Yeah, business.
Speaker 2: Can't keep the names.
Speaker 5: Business and Eric Sermon is a producer right right there
Speaker 5: you go, So I told, I told Harry Sherman like
Speaker 5: I said, Man, I missed the version when we used
Speaker 5: to get high ship.
Speaker 2: He's like baring it's a sober nigga's my friend, smoke
Speaker 2: a blood. You're looking at me like what did Normy
Speaker 2: just saying, I'm just.
Speaker 7: He's supposed to have an album dropping out with all
Speaker 7: duos on.
Speaker 2: Like I'm a part of the due.
Speaker 5: I'm a part of the I love I love doing Okay,
Speaker 5: we need to break the ice with you all all.
Speaker 7: I pm that same one I thought we drank.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 8: He raised a good point with that, that that the
Speaker 8: fact that they got them albums like that.
Speaker 7: The gangs start got him too, Yeah, producing himself with jam.
Speaker 8: About and when you say okay, gangs started, damn thinking about.
Speaker 3: Brooklyn too from the East, and both of them introduced
Speaker 3: a lot of other artists, both of them.
Speaker 2: That question, these guys, Yeah, yeah, E P. M D.
Speaker 2: Has ever made an album better than Moment of Truth.
Speaker 5: That's the only thing, okay now, which leads me to
Speaker 5: my next question. Trip called quest or Tribe Tribe.
Speaker 2: He said that quickly. I just said, it's so quick
Speaker 2: day was.
Speaker 5: Daylight was more innovative, very innovative, very experimental, experimental, three
Speaker 5: ft high rising. I don't think we'll ever get another
Speaker 5: album like that. Tribe mastered the art of making big records.
Speaker 5: Checked the rhynd was a big record, war to It
Speaker 5: was a big record. Elect React. We are still chasing
Speaker 5: the feeling of elected relaxation to this day. And I
Speaker 5: just figured out what else the Gunda was. I was like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 5: this is a real place. This motherfucker made up. He
Speaker 5: left this world and he made it up.
Speaker 3: I was like, what the movement that was ushered by Tribe?
Speaker 2: But even though the Daylight before but still tried let
Speaker 2: that that's what that's what you know, try it was
Speaker 2: ahead of that started it. It felt yeah, I mean, and.
Speaker 5: Although like black Sheet was the one that had the
Speaker 5: biggest Truce was the biggest record. But Tribe, you gotta
Speaker 5: think Tribe had scenario scenario bust the rhymes. Although leaves
Speaker 5: are the news, that's what that was with Tribe is
Speaker 5: still chasing.
Speaker 2: All of us.
Speaker 5: Slum Village, the roots, craziest ever all tribute there.
Speaker 3: And it helped hip hop become eclectic and and and
Speaker 3: be okay with going in different directions and trying too.
Speaker 9: Is coming from the.
Speaker 8: The whole three feet high and rising the old part
Speaker 8: of that's like saying the same family.
Speaker 2: It was on best album two three times, didn't want rising, you.
Speaker 5: Know, there's original was just rising that version, didn't you.
Speaker 2: Want to know that version didn't get clear, that it
Speaker 2: didn't get clear and had.
Speaker 5: To go back in and do a whole different, different sample.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the version of actually on the album is not
Speaker 5: the actual version you guys, just a remixer. No, No,
Speaker 5: this was out like you know, like this is back
Speaker 5: then where you give your boys the copies of white.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: White.
Speaker 7: That's that's kind of crazy because working with Buckshot, like
Speaker 7: when it was time to make a radio edit or
Speaker 7: a radio version that they used to call for like
Speaker 7: Buckwood just going to studio and write a whole nother
Speaker 7: song wow, and the remix, the clean version was sometimes
Speaker 7: better than.
Speaker 2: The originally was. Twice he did Yeah, he died out
Speaker 2: the park with them joints.
Speaker 7: So we picked up the work ethic where evan reversing
Speaker 7: curse letters. You had to go in and and actually
Speaker 7: put your find to work, and Buff.
Speaker 2: Was the master. You got your open, I got you,
Speaker 2: I got you open, buck them down, I got some more.
Speaker 2: We got a lot more about tang or n w
Speaker 2: A Wu tang n w A. I mean that's true
Speaker 2: to me. If you want to just take a shot,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, shot, you're thinking about it, but we're taking a.
Speaker 2: Culture. Really is is Wu tang accolades?
Speaker 5: Everything like what was spawned out of n w A
Speaker 5: like was insane, like beasts, headphones, Ice Cube's acting career,
Speaker 5: ice ce solo career.
Speaker 2: I mean the tree is crazy because the tree move.
Speaker 2: I don't like it generationally.
Speaker 5: I think it's the it's it's a go to that
Speaker 5: eminem the wool tank. I mean, the end of the
Speaker 5: n w the Doctor Dre family tree.
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, you got you got you gotta fi, you
Speaker 2: gottall keep going. They had they had a dynasty over there,
Speaker 2: but who Tang is will be it's a whole different
Speaker 2: thing That got me. Modest thing is we got to
Speaker 2: drink on that. That's not a long pair of But
Speaker 2: I say both if you I don't like the pair.
Speaker 2: I don't like the pair of. I think it's a
Speaker 2: thinking questions in religion, but.
Speaker 3: I think it generationally it doesn't matter. M Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: first go first and not and not and.
Speaker 8: Not really religion, right because for the ones that went outside,
Speaker 8: like you know, moms and them had we had Bibles
Speaker 8: with the cartoons and there. But then we went outside
Speaker 8: and we saw the brothers building in the circle talking
Speaker 8: about we sat there.
Speaker 2: We want to you know, right.
Speaker 8: And that's another one as far as respecting respecting that
Speaker 8: l was like we could sit on the bench. We
Speaker 8: couldn't get into the cipher with them when he was building.
Speaker 8: We get a little here like living in North Carolina,
Speaker 8: like you know, it's Jesus, Jesus, Jesus right, it's a
Speaker 8: Bible belt.
Speaker 5: But not until I started listening to like Rock Him
Speaker 5: and Brand Nubian and Wu Tang that I started learning
Speaker 5: about Islam. I learned the most from them, beautiful the
Speaker 5: first comic book rap group. Bro, you can put them
Speaker 5: in comic books. The names they had Peter Parker to start,
Speaker 5: it was a reason stood that superhero It was superheroes, right,
Speaker 5: it's crazy. Well, I ain't gonna lie not comparing them
Speaker 5: ton W.
Speaker 2: I was. I was literally scared of I find this.
Speaker 2: It's true though, it's I was like that music scared me,
Speaker 2: like like, I.
Speaker 5: Was like, what are the first off, I thought there
Speaker 5: was a jail.
Speaker 2: The whey.
Speaker 5: They said straight up cop and I said I didn't
Speaker 5: want to go there, Like that is just hold up?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: He started the album that way, straight out of Compton,
Speaker 5: crazy motherfucker name.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I was just like I felt in hip hop. They
Speaker 5: were the first group to evoke that emotion, right, I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 2: Because you remember, I don't think about it, think about
Speaker 2: about it. But they was from a different coacht from me. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was that was my mom style from Harlem. Now
Speaker 2: I get that. Miami as a whole, it was two groups.
Speaker 3: It was public and to me to evoked this emotion
Speaker 3: over here and n W Wait.
Speaker 2: To me, they were the same groups in different sides
Speaker 2: of the spectrum. Definitely different. I never felt that kind
Speaker 2: of emotion from rap music. Not the song you like
Speaker 2: you ever heard, right, But that's what it is.
Speaker 5: I'm understanding you term, I understand what he said.
Speaker 2: I can understand n w A was still because we don't.
Speaker 5: We didn't know that mob style was really just the
Speaker 5: New York Shire, real out of town people didn't know
Speaker 5: who mom style was.
Speaker 12: I was so mad, you don't know who style would
Speaker 12: take seven take you haven't remember?
Speaker 2: Remember you with the with U? To me, that was
Speaker 2: the best thing in the world. And I got that.
Speaker 3: Because you don't even know. It was before internet, when
Speaker 3: the magazines were late to get to you. You find
Speaker 3: America's most one. You open it and you see the
Speaker 3: Bomb Squad.
Speaker 7: I was like and was like, I introduced what n
Speaker 7: w A was like, really opening our eyes to gang
Speaker 7: gang Wars and.
Speaker 2: Culture the original but this wasn't really Jagged Ice t F.
Speaker 2: But the n w a's first album.
Speaker 3: They're not even talking about Colors ice Cube, right, And
Speaker 3: it came from.
Speaker 2: He doesn't do six in the morning if he didn't
Speaker 2: hear p s K first. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Say a lot of the New York rappers influence, but
Speaker 3: that's why they even decided to do certain things like
Speaker 3: we're not gonna talk about that. We're doing our style everybody.
Speaker 2: So we can't leave out dog, cannot out the dog.
Speaker 2: That's what the hip hop do, right, it'supposed to.
Speaker 8: It's supposed to, I mean, not politicized, but that's what
Speaker 8: we we politics, you know, that's yeah, they told us
Speaker 8: the politics are comptent because you thought it was one thing.
Speaker 8: You know, we we went there, we're looking out, we're
Speaker 8: looking for the color.
Speaker 9: That's all.
Speaker 8: We same thing, right, and we were there, so it's like, man,
Speaker 8: we got this information from there.
Speaker 3: That was the beauty of that era too, because everybody
Speaker 3: had regional sounds, lingo.
Speaker 2: A whole different without traveling the bay, and you knew
Speaker 2: who was when they were dropping.
Speaker 5: Like mister Lee said all the time, he said he
Speaker 5: learned English through music, but.
Speaker 2: He learned the wrong He learned the wrong English.
Speaker 9: Learned.
Speaker 2: But that's not.
Speaker 7: Taking Also, it'd be it'd be different countries that you
Speaker 7: go to and they don't they.
Speaker 2: Don't speak you feel me though.
Speaker 7: It be they don't even understand the language, but they
Speaker 7: know the lyrics word for word.
Speaker 3: There's the positive negatives to that I've tried some countries
Speaker 3: where they at the gang culture, not understanding where it
Speaker 3: takes what's happening. And then I've seen the positive side,
Speaker 3: which is to me outweighs the negatives.
Speaker 2: All the time.
Speaker 5: Like I heard you saying earlier that you guys went
Speaker 5: to Europe, right. I hate to say this sometimes, but
Speaker 5: I have to say it. I feel like sometimes hip
Speaker 5: hop lives more in Europe.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 5: Like you know, when I have shows in Europe, they
Speaker 5: had they are six o'clock in the afternoon, and it's like,
Speaker 5: why are you there? The club doesn't open till nine,
Speaker 5: but they want to smell me walk in. They want
Speaker 5: to see me write YOURFEETI they think I'm want to
Speaker 5: write graffiti.
Speaker 2: Because the novelty he does he actually mean they have
Speaker 2: to out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got my break dad suit on right now.
Speaker 2: They think like it really lives there. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: like the standards themselves to live history.
Speaker 5: The essence of hip hop still lives in those five
Speaker 5: elements elements of the said to y'all, this is how
Speaker 5: I feel. And I heard you say that earlier, when
Speaker 5: you were saying, like y'all just did that? Is that
Speaker 5: how y'all feel too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, that's the first thing I was taught.
Speaker 2: I was taught that.
Speaker 5: I was taught that your last fifteen minutes in the
Speaker 5: United States and your last a lifetime in Europe, in
Speaker 5: Africa and South.
Speaker 2: America, the whole world, with the whole outside of.
Speaker 5: Outside of the United States, you get about five maybe
Speaker 5: six years and the pure on fire shots to the
Speaker 5: ones that's done long longer than that.
Speaker 2: But overseas it's non stop, and they don't want to
Speaker 2: hear you do.
Speaker 5: If you've got great new records, fine for they want
Speaker 5: to hear the classics. And that's not only for all
Speaker 5: hip hop, that's for R and B, that's for anybody.
Speaker 2: Like if they're into the elements out there.
Speaker 5: This motherfucker passport was stick.
Speaker 2: He was like ship, I wouldn't even know. He was like,
Speaker 2: I'll do a show every night.
Speaker 7: One night, one night, he's a promoter, one night, he's
Speaker 7: the cameraman, one night, one night, he's your hype man.
Speaker 2: Like ja rue he lives. Yeah, we saw a Barcelona
Speaker 2: that question. Let me see. I don't think I wouldn't.
Speaker 7: I'm kind of caught between and living over there because
Speaker 7: I think, you know, being over here in the States,
Speaker 7: you get spoiled. You have so much successibility to a Norri,
Speaker 7: a Knife, a Smith and West n FN. But over
Speaker 7: there you only see that person or your group who
Speaker 7: you want to see when the promoters is booking them.
Speaker 7: So it's dope to be over there. But at the
Speaker 7: same time, if they don't respect what it is, then
Speaker 7: they're not going to come out like that. But I
Speaker 7: think being in your hometown is where you receive the
Speaker 7: most love of anything.
Speaker 5: But you know, like like like one of her favorite
Speaker 5: clubs for me in New York City, that's holding it
Speaker 5: down still as Webster Hall and like s O B right,
Speaker 5: But what I realized is a Webster Hall s OBS
Speaker 5: if you like, I can't allow you the last ten
Speaker 5: events I've been to and SOBS big them up. That
Speaker 5: is where real hip hop is still, definitely, and then
Speaker 5: Webster Hall West Halls doing a great job or at
Speaker 5: least hip hop events.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say the Hammerstein Boardroom.
Speaker 8: A lot of we lived at a time when it
Speaker 8: was a lot of different clubs to go to, So
Speaker 8: that's a that's a great point that you pointed out
Speaker 8: as far as in Europe because you know, just to
Speaker 8: keep it a honey, like I think that. I don't
Speaker 8: know about you, but for me, I might have been
Speaker 8: like reluctant to even say that. But that might be
Speaker 8: a true fact that over there it lives there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like that makes sense.
Speaker 8: Because if you think about hip hop as the stone, right,
Speaker 8: and you throw the stone in the river and it
Speaker 8: causes the ripple and it just continues to affect them.
Speaker 8: But we never thought about that initially obviously, right, we
Speaker 8: just want to do our thing. But then when we
Speaker 8: go over there and we see the ripple effect that
Speaker 8: we have caused, we're like, wow, this is incredible, and.
Speaker 2: We take things for granted here because it's closed.
Speaker 3: I was in Vietnam. They were telling me be like,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of dancing. You know, the breakdancing is
Speaker 3: big in Asia. So these dancers were telling us about
Speaker 3: some pioneer pop locker from this I never heard of
Speaker 3: this person, but they showed me videos that proved that.
Speaker 2: This guy is a pioneer. He's like, this is the
Speaker 2: guy that we've been following for fifty years, and I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: it's just illhouse.
Speaker 3: Because they just from a distance, they appreciate everything more.
Speaker 2: We're just too close to it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well it makes sense, man, because it's like it's great,
Speaker 8: you know, it's like we're doing it at such a rate,
Speaker 8: like our intentions have changed at some points, like we're
Speaker 8: doing it to to now pay the rent money and
Speaker 8: to do these things, and they still doing it.
Speaker 3: Just to listen, just to what you're saying. I went
Speaker 3: to Haiti and we met up with this artist. They
Speaker 3: consider them like the Tupac of Haiti, right, and when
Speaker 3: I went, I don't know, now, what's this has gotten
Speaker 3: really bad out there right now. But and this is
Speaker 3: happening in every country I've gone to. I've gone to
Speaker 3: a bunch of countries and he told me, you guys
Speaker 3: don't do hip hop in the United States.
Speaker 2: You guys do business.
Speaker 3: And that's something consistently been told to me in Peru,
Speaker 3: in Cuba, Haiti, Vietnam, Columbia, South Africa. I've gone to
Speaker 3: all as many concerts I can that it's not like
Speaker 3: it's one continent saying that. They're all saying it, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: hip hop, you guys do business. So basically they say,
Speaker 3: we left the art form where he has money. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, in the in the eighties and nineties, we
Speaker 3: were we weren't making much money off of it.
Speaker 2: Hip hop wasn't and he was killing it and it
Speaker 2: was all of you know, about the props and about whatever,
Speaker 2: like whatever we wanted out of it, you know.
Speaker 7: But at that to be on the other side of that,
Speaker 7: look how hip hop has evolved. If we wasn't doing business,
Speaker 7: we wouldn't be able to have shows, like absolutely, we
Speaker 7: wouldn't be able to open other doors to feed our family.
Speaker 7: And hip hop has come so long that has opened
Speaker 7: multiple doors. You go into film from hip hop, you
Speaker 7: go into anything you you really want to do, Like
Speaker 7: just even working with AfroB artists, it would be something
Speaker 7: like yo, if it's presented, then yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3: These artists might not even be talking about hip hop
Speaker 3: to debate it, right right. There wasn't a monetary on
Speaker 3: this absolutely right yeah right.
Speaker 5: Hold, So we're gonna get back to the quick time
Speaker 5: of Slom finished it up? Out Castle, did you jump?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Oh man, Hey, that's that's good. Damn fun is my
Speaker 7: brother out Cast is them guys too, though. Man, they
Speaker 7: got the style of grace of everything that they beat
Speaker 7: us at the nine five Source Awards too.
Speaker 2: They won that awards.
Speaker 7: So that's still like ones where he said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: well I gotta say both man, they both rest and
Speaker 7: Peach Pimpci.
Speaker 2: Innovators didn't get it in.
Speaker 3: There like.
Speaker 7: Buster Eminem Busting Rhymes, Boston Rhymes, the Mighty Infamous.
Speaker 2: I think Eminem would say Buster rhymes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, ye, think about it. Yeah, respectfully, you know that.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Next one O Pharaoh munch
Speaker 2: Or Royce, the five nine.
Speaker 5: Pharaoh, Lucas Royce man roy Internally he was even organized confusion.
Speaker 7: And the record you guys got and he got the verse.
Speaker 7: Keep it not because that verse though, like bro got asthma. No,
Speaker 7: I'm not saying because of the verse, like he got asthma.
Speaker 7: Like you would think somebody who breathing like that, you
Speaker 7: got asthma, you got.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I believe, I believe, not to put it up.
Speaker 9: But anyway, like I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: That he's a dope.
Speaker 8: You would think that somebody like that that's conscious of
Speaker 8: their breath would not put so many words in the rack.
Speaker 8: You know, it's unmatched is unmatched man, but he is
Speaker 8: so like the way he breaks down and he studies,
Speaker 8: like what he's gonna say in particular tone.
Speaker 2: The way he goes with the tone is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's he's a And then you're going back to
Speaker 8: organized organized confusion.
Speaker 2: Very much that much, Pharaoh. Yeah you want the next
Speaker 2: one to far Biggie or big L.
Speaker 5: Biggie Biggie Biggie, Ray and Ghosts or styles P and kiss.
Speaker 2: Now Yeah, yeah, yeah, took the gloves. Drink some more
Speaker 2: than grim beautiful tricks. Oh Man, shout the clues. Man man,
Speaker 2: this is Infinity, Ray and Ghosts. Are you picking? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm picking we can drink, But you're picking the Purple tape.
Speaker 5: I'm picking the Purple tape with Ray where Ray goes
Speaker 5: being on the cover of that. I'm picking Iron Man
Speaker 5: or Man cover being on go to that.
Speaker 2: Let me cover that goes being to cover that money
Speaker 2: Foule Respect album.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but if I'm picking verbal intercourse ice cream, verbal
Speaker 5: intercourse data DAYTONA five hundred cam A.
Speaker 3: I mean you can stop win awards? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson and Prince Ah did you say he he.
Speaker 2: Man the gun. You've gone too far an Olympics. Does
Speaker 2: anybody have an MJ or print story? I do, no,
Speaker 2: Only the first time we remember meeting Prince one time.
Speaker 2: That's the story. Let's go to it. Remember we went
Speaker 2: to the after party John we met Prince at the time.
Speaker 7: We was yeah, we was in We called Minneapolis, Yeah,
Speaker 7: Minneapolis the first let me.
Speaker 3: Perfect didn't get close to him, not me. I'm sure
Speaker 3: he wasn't gonna get on the remix of something boy Barrow,
Speaker 3: I would would have been talking what we did.
Speaker 2: We wasn't like we was. He was moving like Charlie said, like,
Speaker 2: you want to play some basketball.
Speaker 8: We went to Munich, Germany, and we was, Uh, they
Speaker 8: have like this monument for for Michael Jackson. It's like
Speaker 8: in the middle of the square and it's like people
Speaker 8: come there. We put some like you know, people put
Speaker 8: like personal that's personal to them on the monument. It
Speaker 8: reminds me of New York City, like forty second Street,
Speaker 8: like if he we were respected and not just like
Speaker 8: yeah yeah. So it's like it was very touching to
Speaker 8: see like, you know, of course people love Mike all
Speaker 8: over the world, but I ain't see a prince one
Speaker 8: like like that. And you know, you know, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 8: I'm saying I'm drinking, I'm drinking or that, but I'm
Speaker 8: just saying like this, just that you said, anybody got
Speaker 8: a story.
Speaker 9: But that's that's as close as I could get.
Speaker 2: And then Mike didn't he do a song with Big
Speaker 2: I think so? Yes? Come on man, that's a record.
Speaker 9: That's crazy, man, Come on?
Speaker 2: Was it was it butterflies? Where was it? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure google it Jack. It might have been
Speaker 2: back then right now, sorry, but it might have been butterflies.
Speaker 2: I think it was butterflies back then too.
Speaker 13: I just let you know, chat is quicker for you, man, chat.
Speaker 13: She's right, just has googling skills, the fact that it
Speaker 13: takes them.
Speaker 2: As slime, the time questions that he definitely does what
Speaker 2: you said metro pc is you know that's I got
Speaker 2: checked that one out.
Speaker 5: Machael Jackson and Princess versus Princess this time around it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Are you ready? Yeah? Yeah? This time around is a
Speaker 2: joint New Jack City or King of New York New
Speaker 2: Jack City. Damn, he's that quickly to Jack City. Oh Frank,
Speaker 2: where is it? Frank Frank White? New Jack City. But
Speaker 2: because you guys are from New York, that's what probably
Speaker 2: that's what is New Jack New Jack City is no
Speaker 2: brown is he no brown? New Jack City? Kick of
Speaker 2: New York? I need no brown, Frank white Brow.
Speaker 5: I say Jackson. I say New Jack City because of
Speaker 5: the movie. I say it because I'm at the sand.
Speaker 5: To me, low Jack City, New Jack Hustler, Come on,
Speaker 5: it has the most classic classic one liners.
Speaker 2: I never like you, Chris.
Speaker 7: You know what I.
Speaker 2: Think it is. I think because I recently watched King.
Speaker 7: Of New York over in my older age years, and
Speaker 7: when I was watching another Jack City, they are better now.
Speaker 2: Really they are.
Speaker 7: Like my wife, she hates to she can't watch a
Speaker 7: repeat of nothing. I'm like, how you don't watch a
Speaker 7: movie more than once? But she knows she loving and
Speaker 7: that's it me. I'm like three four times. Yeah, I
Speaker 7: don't know New.
Speaker 2: Jack City, Jacksony.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I think I would do Jack City versus Juice, who
Speaker 2: we had a problem. Oh yeah, no Juice for the one.
Speaker 9: I think that I think the I think the the
Speaker 9: thing about this game is for it to be difficult, right.
Speaker 2: And it's for your personal impact.
Speaker 9: We're gonna be brave enough to make a choice like
Speaker 9: you can't be just like yo.
Speaker 2: Honest about how it impacted you both. Everyone is gonna
Speaker 2: be everyone.
Speaker 8: Everyone you asked is no, there's no way that every
Speaker 8: you know, every one of those was both every question.
Speaker 9: But if I had to pick, I'm gonna say new
Speaker 9: Jack City, Jack City.
Speaker 2: Between nods and ll.
Speaker 8: Betweens and LLL that's fantastic question. You know what I
Speaker 8: would I would say, I would say ll ll man
Speaker 8: Radio now because just because it's pioneer ship, like just
Speaker 8: just just for just for like like of course NOAs
Speaker 8: big respect than NOAs Man. When we grew up over
Speaker 8: that guy going by like once we saw that that
Speaker 8: was a game changer. Like for me, he's sixteen ll
Speaker 8: He'm saying, yeah, I'm saying I'm gonna say llll, I'm
Speaker 8: saying cool, James.
Speaker 5: Man, it is hard in this game to find solo
Speaker 5: artists with four or more classics.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: In fact, the run at ll have from Radio to
Speaker 5: mister Smith is insane. That's the radio today with right
Speaker 5: we just from radio.
Speaker 2: That's radio.
Speaker 5: That's bigger than Defferent, that's Walking with a Panther. That's
Speaker 5: one of the greatest albums of all time. Mama said,
Speaker 5: knock you out fourteen shots, and mister Smith that's a
Speaker 5: lot of If he do a versus he can just
Speaker 5: use those records and do it versus LL cool J
Speaker 5: is and he coming out with other pants on too
Speaker 5: now and he dropped a new album. I'm coming into
Speaker 5: the album too ass and leather pants. Ll cool J
Speaker 5: man Is mama said knock you out, coming back, my god.
Speaker 2: I don't know versus, but let me say this matter
Speaker 2: of fact, let me say this though, Project I.
Speaker 5: Don't Know any Illmadic will probably go down as the
Speaker 5: most critically acclaimed rap album ever, the most studied, shooting
Speaker 5: those books, the most everything illmatic. Whether you liked it
Speaker 5: or not, it is the It is the kind of
Speaker 5: blue of hip hop. Miles Davis cound of blue, That's
Speaker 5: what it is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I would. I would say nas though,
Speaker 7: because that was more in a climate when I was
Speaker 7: coming up. I wasn't, I mean, I was there, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 7: I'll definitely say nos.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, Red Man, I met the man. You can't
Speaker 2: ask that. We just did. That's the rock wild First.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to.
Speaker 9: Albums that's even better.
Speaker 2: It was Red.
Speaker 5: I mean it's I mean, it's what the album. There's
Speaker 5: a dark side Muddy Waters's Red Man, Red man.
Speaker 2: So you gotta hang with guys like this who don't
Speaker 2: sugar coat. No, how you feeling? Tell you what you need,
Speaker 2: not what you want to. Yeah, red red man, but man,
Speaker 2: drink them both. Man, there you go, it's cheers. You
Speaker 2: have the Month for the Man, remember that, ye do?
Speaker 2: Month of the Man? I worked out. I'll be trying
Speaker 2: to study this, you know you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got Doggy Star or me against the World.
Speaker 3: You asked Doggy start me against the world.
Speaker 5: Snoop Dogs, Doggy Stock. I guess tupa Snoop Doggs Doggy
Speaker 5: stacks like everything on right now, Amy against the World
Speaker 5: of double album.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's that's all out on me. Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was might be different. Snoop Dogs is the better album.
Speaker 2: Don't change a lot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the music examples and it is don't style put
Speaker 7: Brandson on the Matt Well, I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 5: But yo, the fastest d was out. You have Snoop
Speaker 5: Dogg Pump Pump and songs like that, and an East
Speaker 5: Coast movie like above The Rim is nuts.
Speaker 2: Above. The Rim was comprised mostly of West Coast artists
Speaker 2: films on the East Coast. Right, Wow, dog is down Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the right man. That's an interesting what he
Speaker 2: said when she's on it.
Speaker 9: That was that was well, that was well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fat boys and beastie boys.
Speaker 12: Fat boy boy, fat boys or beastie fat boys, fat
Speaker 12: everything politically he thinks about. He best, I had everything
Speaker 12: to the class.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you. He's like, I'm not lowering body
Speaker 2: resource little mass mother today.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, I say fat boys, man, I think yeah,
Speaker 5: I almost say beastie boys, because you just want to
Speaker 5: be politically so beastie boys. Like I first heard the
Speaker 5: beastie boys, I got. I had an older cousins so dope,
Speaker 5: and they were playing Paul like Paul of course, like
Speaker 5: that was hard is a car in nineteen six old
Speaker 5: ride fat Boys. I heard fat boys in the party,
Speaker 5: but I ain't hear a lot of fat boys in
Speaker 5: my big cousin's car.
Speaker 2: I heard No Sleep to Brooklyn that song I heard.
Speaker 5: I heard here, and I heard holding down It, and
Speaker 5: I heard the new style, especially the breakdown in the
Speaker 5: new style, Yo, beastie boys.
Speaker 2: That was a Gange licensed deal.
Speaker 5: If we're gonna put lights deal against the fat boys,
Speaker 5: it's the beastie boys.
Speaker 2: Even with this sort of movie. That's the movie.
Speaker 9: But they because they kept.
Speaker 8: Organic, you know what I mean, fat boys and it's
Speaker 8: like and they joint bat They was nope, artists, right.
Speaker 8: And as you're talking about you talking them about the time,
Speaker 8: you talking about not only your time, you're talking about
Speaker 8: a culture that says you have to look a certain way,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, they broke all of it.
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, probably to all that.
Speaker 8: He's like, we're gonna run with this and we and
Speaker 8: and we're gonna yeah one of the diesel now and
Speaker 8: on the.
Speaker 2: Show. Yeah, yeah, all right, Brooklyn, all right.
Speaker 5: Outlaws of Dog cool Man Dog Crown Corrupt is one
Speaker 5: of the greatest rappers ever lived.
Speaker 2: And I agree with that. I gotta say both.
Speaker 7: He's I gotta say bow his family.
Speaker 8: That's I'm not saying big up to the Outlaws, lout
Speaker 8: to the Outlaws, Man Young Noble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big up to Laws. But what he says about Crup,
Speaker 2: the greatest raps came out corrupt way Philly. Yeah, m
Speaker 2: Range was correct.
Speaker 5: Rhyme.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he talked drinking to killing.
Speaker 3: Driving and it was yeah, no, it was like yeah,
Speaker 3: he was just like it was like you're just talking.
Speaker 3: But you just so absolutely.
Speaker 2: A little man, dazz man, y'all are killing us. The
Speaker 2: Source Double x L, the Source, the original, so.
Speaker 5: May take a shot the killer.
Speaker 14: Ye look.
Speaker 2: You go, yah this ship watching this yeall. Mama.
Speaker 5: I told my mama was coming on Dreaming Champions. Y'all
Speaker 5: gonna be drinking. I said, Mama, drinks champagne. That she said, Okay,
Speaker 5: shout out.
Speaker 2: They didn't even know no man for real.
Speaker 5: But we were talking about we're talking about the the
Speaker 5: micrating saying the original sources.
Speaker 2: The micrating the original source community to me was like totally.
Speaker 2: I mean, because that's what it was, right.
Speaker 5: It was left over source staff members who went and
Speaker 5: created Double right, right, I don't want to say Wilson
Speaker 5: coming it.
Speaker 2: Wilson was one of them, the source. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: one right Double. I didn't went to the Vibe.
Speaker 3: This was Christy Jones did j bar work for the
Speaker 3: Jerry Jerry Barrel was over there. What's the original source?
Speaker 3: Was the only source? That was the only magazine you.
Speaker 2: Got and a half to the source.
Speaker 5: You will automatically gold hands down that that magazine was
Speaker 5: so credible, like it was the only at the time
Speaker 5: over there.
Speaker 2: And I remember us for Overea.
Speaker 5: We got four mics and that was equivalent to us
Speaker 5: going platinum, like like when we got that.
Speaker 2: And by the way, that was like.
Speaker 5: Our dummy album, like it wasn't even the real one.
Speaker 5: We went back in and made it better like the demo. Basically, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was the demo they gave us. From that we
Speaker 5: were pre ordered gold.
Speaker 2: I believe. Remember how you.
Speaker 5: And they didn't care if you actually sold the records
Speaker 5: or not if it was pre ordered.
Speaker 3: Within seventy days, people got deals off the system people records.
Speaker 2: So we're all saying the sauce that they had, they
Speaker 2: had that.
Speaker 9: New artists.
Speaker 2: I was, man, it was a lot there. So we're
Speaker 2: all saying, even a collection that used to be in
Speaker 2: the bag.
Speaker 3: You'd be like one from the parties, the magazine as
Speaker 3: real hip hop heads. I mean it changed over time,
Speaker 3: but the original source you felt like, this is the I.
Speaker 2: Want to take a moment right now. I want to
Speaker 2: pick up my friend Vinzino.
Speaker 5: Of course, and and Dave because I've seen recently like
Speaker 5: he's been going through you know, certain things on the
Speaker 5: internet about the source where he's saying that you know
Speaker 5: certain things.
Speaker 2: Well, look what we all just.
Speaker 5: Said about the sauce and pretty much was all positive.
Speaker 5: So I want to be it was the hip hop
Speaker 5: and Dave Mays, you know what I mean? Yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean I know things have changed now, but back then
Speaker 5: that was like that was they were.
Speaker 2: The source. MA definitely, you want to go to the
Speaker 2: next one. I like this game, that's right, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then we're gonna go back to.
Speaker 3: I Love Ralph McDaniels or five five fab five Freddy ship.
Speaker 2: See just when you see, I ain't got nothing to
Speaker 2: do it this year.
Speaker 3: So we're basically saying video music box versus the video MTV. Okay,
Speaker 3: you can do the individual, or you can do an individual.
Speaker 2: If you live in New York. Five Freddy is video
Speaker 2: music legend besides winding Wood. For me down here, it
Speaker 2: was yeah, because.
Speaker 7: We didn't have video music video music by she was
Speaker 7: running home from school against But even those shoutouts, I
Speaker 7: saw everything.
Speaker 5: I saw Fat Fire Freddy and Walstaff before even that.
Speaker 5: And see fan fre Freddy too was in New York.
Speaker 5: But then he'll be in Oakland with too Short, and
Speaker 5: then he'll be in l a with.
Speaker 2: That's the way. Let's keep remer the white girls to
Speaker 2: hip hop. But I'm gonna go with he was already
Speaker 2: ahead of the time.
Speaker 10: He was.
Speaker 2: The village. He was, he was the village. Actually he
Speaker 2: was with the artist one.
Speaker 3: Home name, the white dude that was hanging out with
Speaker 3: the artist, the big artist with the the sup can,
Speaker 3: the suit can, what's his name?
Speaker 2: And world. Yeah, he was was all these the can
Speaker 2: he had to snip with the best of them.
Speaker 15: Hey, man, I know, Uncle Ralph is the guy man
Speaker 15: like he like you just take anything at all.
Speaker 2: From the homie.
Speaker 8: But Uncle Ralph, man, he's still he's still out here
Speaker 8: in the streets.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: We had him on Dream Champs. We celebrated.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Selucid to Senator Jessica Ramos, out there
Speaker 8: doing the good work, trying to get in that office.
Speaker 8: So like Uncle Ralph is connected with the people, all
Speaker 8: the people, not just the popular ones.
Speaker 9: Like he's out there in the streets.
Speaker 2: No, he was definitely outside. Un Yeah, I'm outside. You
Speaker 2: want to do the last one? Is this the last?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: Unless you want to add something to it?
Speaker 5: Oh ship, I didn't keep it. Okay, that's my favorite one.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lead the witness. I'm gonna take a
Speaker 5: shut ready, But loyalty or respect.
Speaker 2: He made it a harder question. The last question on
Speaker 2: my shade.
Speaker 7: To look into the eyes of my brothers and men
Speaker 7: without loyalty, that would be no.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. But that's my answer
Speaker 2: every time. That's down your answer every time? What you
Speaker 2: get back every time? No, I mean, I mean both answer.
Speaker 2: Let me ride with it. I mean, I can't talk video.
Speaker 2: Everybody sees your answer. Every time. I meant it's both.
Speaker 2: You can't have a lawyer means ahead, You're gonna bring
Speaker 2: it down professor style. I'll respect it God for me,
Speaker 2: it's a loyalty. You got to be clear it with
Speaker 2: this crew.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's loyalty, man, Because sometimes people earn respect in
Speaker 5: the wrong ways, and so loyalty is something totally different.
Speaker 5: Loyal means family to me. Respect doesn't always mean family
Speaker 5: to me, But loyalty means family no matter what, remain
Speaker 5: loyal to family. Because respect can be looked at different
Speaker 5: by different ways, different people. You can get people can
Speaker 5: sometimes look at respects killing somebody, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: whatever reason, respect could be a negative, it could be
Speaker 5: a negative thing. Loyalty is something totally different. It's it
Speaker 5: automatically says family me, so I loyalty.
Speaker 8: See again, the game is rig you feel me because
Speaker 8: both of them is the same thing. Loyalty could be
Speaker 8: taken differently to right, this is a loyalty.
Speaker 2: Some people can.
Speaker 8: Some people think they're loyal right now, but they's totally
Speaker 8: not you know what I mean. Think they respect for
Speaker 8: right now and they not. You know, text said the
Speaker 8: best way like that, that's that's true, and that never going.
Speaker 8: I think that's a study right there, that's not even
Speaker 8: a question. They go to break all kind of like, well,
Speaker 8: we brought the professor. We wanted him to help us
Speaker 8: study this tour, right right, right, right right for sure,
Speaker 8: it's a balance, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 8: there's no wrong answer. That's the right There no wrong answer.
Speaker 8: It's going to lead you to the other one. Won't
Speaker 8: gonna lead you to the other one. What do you respect?
Speaker 8: You respect something like if you respect your family, like
Speaker 8: we we raised a certain way to respect our parents.
Speaker 9: You know, who isn't loyal?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 8: Maybe he was loyal to them because we was born
Speaker 8: from them, but respecting them and fearing them taught us
Speaker 8: something else. Sort us family values and then which we
Speaker 8: already took those family vious without even like like organically
Speaker 8: taking those family values. We took those to the streets.
Speaker 8: Where do we learn loyalty from? Like we got that
Speaker 8: like our father did, our mother tell us we be loyal?
Speaker 2: Boy, this is your said like that.
Speaker 8: It's never it's never implied. So we we navigated with eyes.
Speaker 9: That's definitely implied.
Speaker 3: It's like a silent thing that's automatic in family right right,
Speaker 3: But respect is told.
Speaker 2: When tribe and the streets, when you moving around you.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're sucking up this just saying something right now.
Speaker 3: The true story is is that I put this on
Speaker 3: without knowing it.
Speaker 2: Just affinity. I'm saying, I put on the shirt without
Speaker 2: knowing his birthday, without.
Speaker 9: Knowing that I just got for a second, That's what
Speaker 9: I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, definitely Rice, you're run into So
Speaker 7: I gotta go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Brother. So if it's he said no more like doors.
Speaker 2: If there's anything you can do over right.
Speaker 5: Over the whole group, whole industry, everything, there's one thing
Speaker 5: you could do over what would you do?
Speaker 7: It's one thing I do over as far as the industry,
Speaker 7: I think it would be to learn the business better,
Speaker 7: to learn the inside of the outside, learning able to
Speaker 7: be able to read and understand contracts, because that's where
Speaker 7: a lot get lost in the finer lines of contracts.
Speaker 7: And that's what we got to take him to a
Speaker 7: tourney to be like, Yo, what what?
Speaker 2: What? What that mean? Right there? What he said?
Speaker 7: I think if I would be able to do anything,
Speaker 7: that would be able to that would definitely be it
Speaker 7: to be able to understand the business more and to
Speaker 7: apply it more to where we.
Speaker 2: Could open more doors for those Nothing. Nothing.
Speaker 5: And the reason why I say nothing is because the
Speaker 5: decisions I made, the mistakes I made, led me here.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be sitting here with you and you if
Speaker 5: I didn't make this turn and make this turn, and
Speaker 5: make this turn and make this turn. So I am
Speaker 5: wrong or right, I ended up here, and so I
Speaker 5: wouldn't change the thing. If I, if I, if I'd
Speaker 5: have did something the right way, then I would have
Speaker 5: been able to work with these guys. Maybe someone had
Speaker 5: led me this way and then I went and crossed
Speaker 5: their path. But something to me to go to school,
Speaker 5: drop out of school, find somebody with a computer, learn
Speaker 5: fru to lose do this, do that that I to
Speaker 5: leave me then I have a twenty relationship for us
Speaker 5: to do two albums to leave me here.
Speaker 2: So nothing Wow, the fast topic, right, how about you?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I wish I had answer that other question better
Speaker 8: that Queen la teeth language. But I know that's gonna be.
Speaker 8: I know they're gonna know that the trolls going, they're
Speaker 8: gonna let edit until you kept talking about it.
Speaker 2: No, no, let that breed, let that bree man whatever,
Speaker 2: do what you do.
Speaker 8: But I think that you know, like for me, I'm
Speaker 8: just just to take responsibility like it's so much because
Speaker 8: I'm a person who even though I have patience, I'm impatient,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, And I and I and
Speaker 8: I answer fast and I be ready to go fast,
Speaker 8: and I'm always ready to go, and I'm always ready
Speaker 8: to go. So sometime I don't get a chance to
Speaker 8: do things like relax, celebrate, rest, reboot, and I might
Speaker 8: miss a lot, even though I get a lot of cover,
Speaker 8: a lot of land, but I miss a lot. So
Speaker 8: it's like, all right, I wish I could slow down
Speaker 8: a bit, see things a little bit from a from
Speaker 8: a perspective, even from the success and failures, the strength
Speaker 8: because sometimes you harp on the failures, you know, and
Speaker 8: and and then you miss out the successes.
Speaker 9: Sometimes you see the successes, you'll be blinded by the light.
Speaker 8: It's like the final balance, just to slow down a
Speaker 8: bit and go all right, wow and look at everything,
Speaker 8: because when like, right now, we have the capability to
Speaker 8: do that now in hindsight, with with with looking at
Speaker 8: the album and seeing how people enjoy Infinity and it's like.
Speaker 9: That feels good.
Speaker 2: But it took your growth to understand.
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, because before that we was like, yo, let's
Speaker 8: do another album.
Speaker 9: Let's do another album.
Speaker 2: We got to go on the road, we got to
Speaker 2: go on tour.
Speaker 9: Like we like, like you say, a business.
Speaker 2: So that hits.
Speaker 9: But when you in the mix like that, it's like
Speaker 9: you can't.
Speaker 8: You know, it's hard to feel it because you're there
Speaker 8: enjoy it and it's like fucking enjoying it, Like you can't.
Speaker 8: You feel guilty almost like you can't blame your out,
Speaker 8: but you can.
Speaker 2: That's that vibe right there.
Speaker 9: So it's like, man, you you can. And then you
Speaker 9: start watching what's given to us.
Speaker 8: So you're talking about rapid refund or like instat gratification,
Speaker 8: Like you can't blame that people, you know, in a
Speaker 8: place where we're still struggling, and then you're seeing people
Speaker 8: eating and you seeing like, wow, look like over there,
Speaker 8: dudes is getting it and dudes are getting it, you know,
Speaker 8: but you got to talk about how dudes are getting it.
Speaker 8: Dudes are getting it in the capacity where they're putting
Speaker 8: that work in what does that work? Well, here is
Speaker 8: the forum where we talk about what that is. If
Speaker 8: you slow down a little bit, you know what I mean,
Speaker 8: like you see it, you see the picture a little
Speaker 8: bit differently, I think you know. Me and Tech jumped
Speaker 8: in the game.
Speaker 2: We was hungry.
Speaker 8: He was like, yeah, we're hungry. We knew the we
Speaker 8: knew the contract was was was was a little bit.
Speaker 2: How old were you guys when you first put out
Speaker 2: the record? The first record?
Speaker 9: We was just fresh like we was like a couple
Speaker 9: of years out of Yeah, yeah, I've been messing.
Speaker 7: Up the years A couple I mean roughly years. I
Speaker 7: always I got left yeah yeah around that area. Yeah
Speaker 7: you guys were young man, yeah around there around there.
Speaker 9: But it was like.
Speaker 2: No, we we knew nothing, like we didn't have somebody
Speaker 2: looking at it.
Speaker 5: Up.
Speaker 2: I don't age man, I'm limitless and finished now. But
Speaker 2: we we okay, cool.
Speaker 8: We have no no, no, no knowledge of like contracts,
Speaker 8: so it's like, all right, we believe that we can
Speaker 8: get to the exposure and we can learn. So our
Speaker 8: intent was a little bit different than just saying, Yo,
Speaker 8: we want to be popular, be known and the glamouring going.
Speaker 8: I don't think dudes still, I don't know if that's
Speaker 8: a Brooklyn twist or what like, dude wasn't So.
Speaker 5: I think I think everybody that had a little bit
Speaker 5: of hood or just from the hood all knew that
Speaker 5: we were getting jerked on our first deal and we
Speaker 5: agreed to it. We agreed to it, and we said,
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm gonna do better on our next deal.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie. That's what I feel like. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I feel like you're saying that's what I said.
Speaker 2: I knew I was getting not the best deal in
Speaker 2: the world to be in the game, so I said,
Speaker 2: I knew I was a hustle.
Speaker 5: I just said, just put my one foot in that
Speaker 5: motherfucking I get there, you know, like, put the tip
Speaker 5: of my shoelace in that door, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 5: kick the motherfucking rest of my foot in that motherfucker WHOA.
Speaker 5: I cannot lie and act like I did not know
Speaker 5: that my contract wasn't the best right, Like it was
Speaker 5: something about how I signed, like I got I got
Speaker 5: five thousand dollars in cat.
Speaker 2: I knew this wasn't right. I like I was still
Speaker 2: drug dealer with the fuck this paper bag? Why are
Speaker 2: you signing for nothing? Like? When where's my check?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 9: Ship?
Speaker 2: So I knew I was did y'all know, Like y'all
Speaker 2: first joint.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna say we didn't know. I don't think
Speaker 7: we cared because we was. Yeah, I think we cared.
Speaker 7: We seen black Moon get on, and at that time
Speaker 7: it was I think we was pretty gun hole about
Speaker 7: what we wanted to do, the direction we wanted to go.
Speaker 2: So and like you said, once you you know the
Speaker 2: industry is only but that big.
Speaker 7: Once people start talking you, you could you could be
Speaker 7: cool for your second album, Nash for more money you
Speaker 7: hold out. So now once you start hearing this in
Speaker 7: your head from your piers, you're like, well, all right,
Speaker 7: so we in Like you said, once I get that
Speaker 7: foot in niggas, I'm attend boots the doors off the hinges,
Speaker 7: and I think that's how we pretty m much carried
Speaker 7: it out. Like you said, it was never really no contract.
Speaker 7: Everything was a word amount and a handshake that we've
Speaker 7: been rocking with like stuck down. We're doing this again
Speaker 7: on our own three sixty.
Speaker 9: That's that and that's for us.
Speaker 8: It was easy for us to be loyal to these
Speaker 8: brothers because we didn't know Drew how.
Speaker 5: Buckshot build a relationship with him. So how did y'all
Speaker 5: make Buck Shot? Y'all was all in the same high school.
Speaker 2: How does this not do?
Speaker 8: His sister Tracy, big upy Tracy Allen, like she's you
Speaker 8: know better in night school. She was a dancer for us,
Speaker 8: and then she introduced us to Buck Buck, who was
Speaker 8: dancing at the time with his partner I've seen and yeah,
Speaker 8: from there, you know, we clicked up. Excuse me, but
Speaker 8: like this this is this is like, you know, for
Speaker 8: for us to be with them, like respecting their grind
Speaker 8: to seeing how they like not only the love for
Speaker 8: it and just but the respect for the business and
Speaker 8: also knowing that it's grimy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: So it's like we felt kind of safe with them.
Speaker 8: With these guys call blessed. We start with blood in
Speaker 8: a minute. Huh, well no earlier, earlier did we bring
Speaker 8: your bluns back to the night?
Speaker 5: Brings back? He's bringing it right to the tunnel right now.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 8: It's cool, like we we not knowing anything, just coming
Speaker 8: off right off the curve, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Plus we're coming off the Deceps salute the Decepts. Bro
Speaker 8: Uh you know you know Crawn happy birthday, just coming
Speaker 8: off of that scroll. Like me and these brothers Buckshot,
Speaker 8: we seen his crime, Drew High, We seen his grinding
Speaker 8: and looking how his love for Buck like how these
Speaker 8: guys as friends, you know what I mean? And then
Speaker 8: like we didn't know the lawyers. The lawyer for the
Speaker 8: label was the lawyer, you know, so we we knew,
Speaker 8: like you said, we knew, we knew stuff was wrong.
Speaker 8: You know, you know I caught a charge in Maryland
Speaker 8: and he was my.
Speaker 2: Lawyer for that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It's like we we It's not like we have er
Speaker 2: tasking a brother too. I would put like you know
Speaker 2: about like when we speak about on infinity not being preachy,
Speaker 2: just telling you listen, you can't be stuck in that run.
Speaker 7: Yes you have to at some point you have to grow.
Speaker 7: If you're going to advance, what learn to grow?
Speaker 2: That that Smith West is gonna be here for infinity.
Speaker 2: And I'm taking a shot. I got you know what's
Speaker 2: crazy to me? And you are Tiger Bowl bro by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 5: By the way, me and this one of the buddy
Speaker 5: is the dream Tiger boone. I don't know if y'all
Speaker 5: know that is the worst ship you.
Speaker 2: Can ever We retired to drink Champs. I remember, retired
Speaker 2: twenty fourth and mad and mad as Madison, okay, and
Speaker 2: we was in there this tiger boning crazy break the
Speaker 2: sounds man man Man, I got my man from mythic Bone.
Speaker 2: They love it.
Speaker 5: So listen because you all right back in the day
Speaker 5: New York City, right, this is real talk, not fruits
Speaker 5: of life.
Speaker 2: Back in before that juices for life. It was juices life,
Speaker 2: but it was the on the other corner.
Speaker 5: They used to have a gallon like you know food
Speaker 5: punches when you go to the piece of here and
Speaker 5: they have food punch.
Speaker 2: Back then they used to have tiger bone and the
Speaker 2: thing and the punch punched it.
Speaker 4: Wanted to suspect yo, by the way, with the tigers
Speaker 4: bone in it.
Speaker 5: This is how this was so I was your new port,
Speaker 5: this new board, this way, this way before it. So
Speaker 5: let me say how I didn't know what Tagerbam was.
Speaker 5: So it was a weed spot to go there to
Speaker 5: get weed. But I came out the wee spot one
Speaker 5: day and the police pulled me over. The police is like, yo, but.
Speaker 2: You went in there to get so I didn't know
Speaker 2: if tag bone was illegal at the time, dangerous species.
Speaker 5: I was like, need to get tag of boone. They
Speaker 5: was like, all right, cool the right in Louise.
Speaker 2: I went home.
Speaker 5: I ain't think nothing of it. The next day, I
Speaker 5: go to the WI spot. I'm like, yo, what happened yesterday? Man?
Speaker 5: I seen the police, says man, some dickhead told these motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: That was me. You just told them right now.
Speaker 10: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I told I didn't know tager bone was illegal. So
Speaker 2: they're like, what they're killing tigers to make.
Speaker 5: The original I don't want We got the manufactured Yeah,
Speaker 5: the vegan.
Speaker 2: COVID originally that was crazy. Yeah, Donald Trump shut us down.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Trump, What tian was like eighty dollars a hundred
Speaker 7: dollars now for a bottle.
Speaker 5: No, it's like three hundred. It was like three hundred cod.
Speaker 2: Now original original. I don't even think that should he
Speaker 2: even drinking was Tiger Bones then it was. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even advertise that right now, guys correct, Yes, he's correct.
Speaker 3: Hold on, I want to go back to the album. Guys, please,
Speaker 3: This is one thing that I really love about them
Speaker 3: that DN expect. I would like how y'all went to
Speaker 3: the R and B and soulful part. Yeah, that reminded
Speaker 3: me of what I loved as a DJ of hip
Speaker 3: hop R and B. Yeah, when you guys did the
Speaker 3: Joy with Mary J. Blid Yeah, Yeah, it's like you
Speaker 3: encapsulated that and put it in this album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where did that come from? I mean from a
Speaker 2: production standpoint, I think.
Speaker 5: For a long time, and I can be wrong, but
Speaker 5: I think for a long time, women has been they've
Speaker 5: been REMOVINGM hip hop because they stopped liking the way
Speaker 5: it felt right. And so the thing about the nineties,
Speaker 5: what made the nineties and nineties is we were sampling
Speaker 5: the old seventies feel good records.
Speaker 2: Right, and.
Speaker 5: That's what the vibes from that records, that's what made
Speaker 5: women love those records exactly and kind of got away
Speaker 5: from that, even if it was a Street record, It's
Speaker 5: still had that vibe in it, So how can we
Speaker 5: get keep them in street as they can like with
Speaker 5: the Shine record and the joint my Man Sweater on it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like, how right, how can we keep that feeling
Speaker 5: and still have some knock behind it?
Speaker 2: And that's that's what it was.
Speaker 5: So that's when I approached I'm thinking of the marriag
Speaker 5: j Blige the whole time because how street that was,
Speaker 5: how street that was, but also how sexy that was
Speaker 5: at the time, and sometimes hip hop now doesn't have
Speaker 5: that duality to it. And so for me, I'm thinking, yeah,
Speaker 5: we know, you gotta have that feel good type but
Speaker 5: still got some knock to it. And so that's where
Speaker 5: it shine and no mistake came in. So let me
Speaker 5: ask y'all because I mean, this is a room where
Speaker 5: he keeps hearing it. Did y'all actually make that marriag
Speaker 5: Jli record? Justcause in the party by mistake? And he
Speaker 5: was like, I'm talking about this before. I know we
Speaker 5: said that, but I want to reiterate that.
Speaker 7: Now we actually we We came from a video shoot
Speaker 7: with Black More thing was the Bucking Down remix from
Speaker 7: Prospect Park and It's like I just told this story
Speaker 7: on one another podcasts, Like when you think about it,
Speaker 7: Big was the glue to that because Big know we
Speaker 7: was going it was a performance on the Intrepid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we was performing there and your because people don't
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, man, talk like like not is a real
Speaker 2: uh yeah, the parties and they all might be a
Speaker 2: museum now.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So we was coming from the Black Moon video shoot
Speaker 7: and we all fatigued down hole boot camp.
Speaker 2: We got.
Speaker 7: Cant canteen and we got light light, flash lights and
Speaker 7: helmets everything. So you know, I see my Gemini brother Big.
Speaker 7: He's like you you know whatever we and uh we
Speaker 7: start talking. It's all Junior Mafia and boot Camp and
Speaker 7: then puffers like it.
Speaker 2: You know who is that Big? You know them? He's like,
Speaker 2: this is my nigga tech. It's best Stile from Brooklyn.
Speaker 7: He's like, yo, I want to you know this when
Speaker 7: the Mary J was just happening, the Queen of hip
Speaker 7: hop and R and B, Like, Yo, I got some
Speaker 7: things I want y'all to get get on come to
Speaker 7: the studio.
Speaker 2: Because I heard that he said that he wanted to
Speaker 2: the back and forth.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was like, yo, when we got that's when
Speaker 7: we got there, Like, Yo, I want you to do
Speaker 7: that Smith and Western shit. It wasn't nigga back and
Speaker 7: forward like Yo, I want that Smith and Western ship,
Speaker 7: which is what he did with me. Yeah, I said, nigga,
Speaker 7: we want ninety thousand. He said what I said, we
Speaker 7: want ninety thousand. He said, come on, play Boy, I
Speaker 7: called so and So I get the twenty five. You
Speaker 7: know what, fuck it, We're gonna do it. Fuck it,
Speaker 7: let's get it. L Yeah, Mary Jail were like, come on,
Speaker 7: we see what's going now. We're moving around. We got
Speaker 7: some motion in the industry. I'm like, Lord, this nigga
Speaker 7: got some bread over there. Let's get bad Boy high.
Speaker 2: Come on, play Boy.
Speaker 9: That was a little nigga shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Like we we walked into the office and the bad
Speaker 8: Boy's office and looked at the ship and the walls
Speaker 8: looked like they was made of steel and ship everything
Speaker 8: looks so how sception it was in the studio we
Speaker 8: went to the office before we went to negotiate, like
Speaker 8: what we wanted and all that. We we just didn't
Speaker 8: know what to ask for. You know what, I mean,
Speaker 8: that's the whole like just keeping in the hunting, Like
Speaker 8: we went in there. He gave us the opportunity to go,
Speaker 8: what do y'all want? You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 8: who does that? Like that's just some g ship, you
Speaker 8: know what I mean? But we just was young and
Speaker 8: educated in that on some real ship like Drew was
Speaker 8: dead even Drew like like he walked us through. He
Speaker 8: didn't have to go then oh he didn't know the
Speaker 8: game to back to learning the business on the job
Speaker 8: training real should I just be on some humble ship
Speaker 8: like and he was like, yo, bro, I'm just once
Speaker 8: y'all involved in this project and I'm doing so It's
Speaker 8: like it's not even that type.
Speaker 2: Of thanks telling you guys that yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 8: So it's like so that's where artists comes to the
Speaker 8: thing and they like, yo, we want to get this
Speaker 8: big bag of money.
Speaker 9: Like we was guilty of that ship too, you know
Speaker 9: what I mean.
Speaker 8: So it's like we grateful for that opportunity because it's
Speaker 8: like you overlooking the fact that this is a song
Speaker 8: with Mary J. Blige and Boom. You're not thinking that's
Speaker 8: going to be one of your biggest songs.
Speaker 7: For the rest of your and then we got a
Speaker 7: chance to perform it with her and walk away on
Speaker 7: the Brooklyn stage for the first time, which was.
Speaker 2: Which was recent, which is crazy. That's the first time
Speaker 2: y'all performing awesome. Man, Yes, hugely.
Speaker 5: But by the way, I'm just being honest. If I
Speaker 5: judge a DJ, if I'm in a party and they
Speaker 5: don't play that, if you.
Speaker 2: Don't, just it's just not rocking. They have to play that,
Speaker 2: I can ask that I get DJ.
Speaker 8: Speaking of DJ, we went to d C and we
Speaker 8: saw every show DJing party and I think it was
Speaker 8: his birthday that day, fiftieth birthday, and I think it
Speaker 8: was like a snowstorm something. Yeah, it was crazy. The
Speaker 8: people right, and it was like and I'm watching him
Speaker 8: in a zone like he was there but not you
Speaker 8: know what I mean. I'm like, wow, we wanted to
Speaker 8: go over there and take a picture. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 8: there's no way. He started playing some songs like there's
Speaker 8: no way we're going to get over there performing at it.
Speaker 8: But wow, just to be like, and you was in
Speaker 8: the music and you was enjoying it, you knew, and
Speaker 8: everybody was vibing, everybody was dancing. I'm like Yo, does
Speaker 8: New York still do that? Like do they still love
Speaker 8: the music they listened to, not just all the popular music,
Speaker 8: but like you because you know, d C got the
Speaker 8: the go go too. So when next drive, everybody like
Speaker 8: boom boom, So you had you had a healthy version,
Speaker 8: diverse version of just music, you know what I mean,
Speaker 8: which I don't know. That's another thing, going back to
Speaker 8: the coach of appreciation or just going to a club
Speaker 8: and hearing ship that you can enjoy, you know, so
Speaker 8: hopefully we can.
Speaker 9: You got the DJs out there. Saluted the dj that
Speaker 9: still be spinning.
Speaker 2: Man, Like right the time I.
Speaker 5: Saw that was at y'all release party and I wasn't there.
Speaker 5: I was not, but every single body on Instagram and
Speaker 5: I felt like I.
Speaker 2: Was there and that's yeah.
Speaker 8: Saluted the followers. Saluted people that's reposting because that's important.
Speaker 8: Like sometimes you'll be charging people for reposting, like we're
Speaker 8: not even doing that.
Speaker 9: Like if you love something, you feel something, spread the gospel.
Speaker 2: While we don't don't spread infinity over here. It's go.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 5: One thing that me and him shared, like we're the
Speaker 5: same and different people, but we share that hip hop
Speaker 5: we have to even talk about this.
Speaker 3: I was like, I got a time of slim for y'all.
Speaker 3: That's alright, shining. I'm always gonna say the first, the
Speaker 3: shine is gonna be. I'm just gonna say, you can't
Speaker 3: get here without the first.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, politically correct. I want to be different.
Speaker 5: Reason why I'm gonna say infinity is because this is
Speaker 5: making me so hyped right now, Like this ship is
Speaker 5: making me like, I haven't really.
Speaker 2: Said I want to really get back in the studio
Speaker 2: until I just really like that.
Speaker 5: I heard that, like and I was like, you know
Speaker 5: what y'all inspired me? That might be me being selfish.
Speaker 2: Now is different.
Speaker 3: I'm telling your fans or non fans, go to the catalog,
Speaker 3: listen to how we got here, why we are here,
Speaker 3: and see how dope this is. These are artists that
Speaker 3: have been They stand the test of time. Another conversation
Speaker 3: we just had.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 7: Sometimes the fans don't want to go back to that catalog.
Speaker 7: They want what they hear now and be like, yo,
Speaker 7: where am I going next?
Speaker 2: Fuck with? Because that might not be my cup of
Speaker 2: tea right right? But I know what I hear right now.
Speaker 2: I want this and more of this. What can I
Speaker 2: find this? But there's a different album.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you why there's a different album, because
Speaker 3: usually you hear artists that you follow since the nineties,
Speaker 3: right if you're our generation, right, and you're disappointed time
Speaker 3: and time again because this is the production is all
Speaker 3: over the place. There's no, it's not all no, it
Speaker 3: is they forgot, they forgot to keep it. This is album. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: you have this album is I'm telling you now. When
Speaker 3: I listen to it, I was like they got it.
Speaker 3: This is like it is nineties now, like I don't
Speaker 3: know the shutterway we set up a common in pe
Speaker 3: rock saying it again right now nineties now.
Speaker 2: Perfect.
Speaker 8: We I mean, like, you know, big respect to to
Speaker 8: this brother right here for for welcoming and us into
Speaker 8: his home man, because it's like, you know, the energy
Speaker 8: that that we had experienced their recording, I believe it
Speaker 8: might have been a healing energy for both of us.
Speaker 8: And living in New York amongst that hustle and bustle,
Speaker 8: you might not be aware that you need that, you
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, especially yeah, everybody now, like right
Speaker 8: now we're upfront with with with with with mental illness PTSD,
Speaker 8: and all that.
Speaker 9: Who don't have that living in New York City, you
Speaker 9: know what I mean.
Speaker 8: So we so that's when you talk about the music
Speaker 8: and being being able to watch it from that perspective.
Speaker 9: So for us to go to that perspective.
Speaker 8: And as soon as we get in the car he
Speaker 8: picked us up from the airport, he like, we're talking
Speaker 8: about the Shannon you know what I mean. We're talking
Speaker 8: about the foundation. He on the phone with Evil Deed,
Speaker 8: mister Wall. We're talking about you know, Pete Rock and
Speaker 8: all that. Of course we're talking about all the things
Speaker 8: that we've done, but yeah, we want to upgrade that
Speaker 8: and who you are now without compromise and just being transparent.
Speaker 8: So he gave us that platform to do that and
Speaker 8: and guided us even further.
Speaker 2: Like I want to hear this. I want to hear
Speaker 2: you come like that, like we want to.
Speaker 8: Like some artists that you just into yourself so much
Speaker 8: you can't take criticism or you can't take input, like
Speaker 8: we built together. He gave us guidance like this is
Speaker 8: a real heartfelt project that we worked on.
Speaker 2: So it's what were there times you guys bumped tests
Speaker 2: just off the one record? He want to do here
Speaker 2: he was like, nah, I don't want to say I
Speaker 2: don't want to say that.
Speaker 5: Bah all blah, and it was me me and him
Speaker 5: was like nah, it's crazy, Like man, nah, I'm not
Speaker 5: saying that, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: And the beat was dope. It was just but not often.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: They they trusted me, just like Buckshall trusted me, just
Speaker 5: like Sean Price Rest in Peace trusted me, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean to do my job.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's what it was.
Speaker 5: And for this album, I'm thinking, okay, I'm always thinking, okay,
Speaker 5: we did the All we got to beat the All
Speaker 5: And for for a long time I was telling them like, no, nah,
Speaker 5: we use five songs and I said this is better
Speaker 5: than all.
Speaker 2: They were like you think. I'm like, yeah, I'm telling
Speaker 2: you it's better than the all Man and so allow
Speaker 2: five of those songs when you were saying, not even
Speaker 2: made the album.
Speaker 5: It ain't even make it, Like we got a couple
Speaker 5: of joints like that was it's crazy that didn't make
Speaker 5: it for whatever reason. But I'm again, I look at
Speaker 5: it from two sides. Yeah, I executive produced it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I got my soul console brothers together. Shouts to them
Speaker 5: and I'm a fan. I put all that away when
Speaker 5: I play it in my car, I don't listen to
Speaker 5: it from like this is what I did. I'm listening
Speaker 5: to it from this is what I just bought and do.
Speaker 5: I like it, And some people can't look at things
Speaker 5: from both sides like that.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope this makes gets a Grammy nod.
Speaker 5: Yeah Too's no bullshit, man. I want to thank all
Speaker 5: of you taking your time out for letting us salute you.
Speaker 5: Come on, man, because it's very, very important to see
Speaker 5: people continue to do it, continue to make great music,
Speaker 5: continue to hold down their stance in hip hop the
Speaker 5: way you brothers are doing.
Speaker 2: I want to salute you. I want to give your flowers.
Speaker 5: I wanted to, you know, just let you know how
Speaker 5: proud I am of you guys, and I want to
Speaker 5: let you know how much you inspired me.
Speaker 2: Like I had to sit back and be like, you.
Speaker 5: Know, because you know, I still I still think I'm nice,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 5: that that's me being you know, I'm saying how many
Speaker 5: other people in this world that got to do the
Speaker 5: same thing too. When when a person pops in I'm
Speaker 5: about to say, popping that CD. But they hit that
Speaker 5: link because that's where we're at, right, and like right
Speaker 5: when they hit that link and they hear what I heard,
Speaker 5: this is an undeniable, undoubtable album. I one man percent
Speaker 5: appreciate what y'all did. Like I said, I stood there,
Speaker 5: I held my breath, I caught goosebumps. I didn't leave
Speaker 5: the car. I just stood there and I was just
Speaker 5: like by myself.
Speaker 2: I was good with that.
Speaker 3: Can I cut you from Let me tell you something
Speaker 3: real quick. We don't rarely on drink champs do we
Speaker 3: talk about a current album so much. That's the testament
Speaker 3: to how we think. And we didn't talk about this
Speaker 3: prime right, We didn't discuss this.
Speaker 2: Ye he heard it on his own. I heard on
Speaker 2: my that's beautiful. Let me let me get my flowers
Speaker 2: for a minute. Man, go ahead. I remember when I
Speaker 2: bought n O R E. I don't want my flowers.
Speaker 2: You're crazy, you're crazy clapping up. I remember when I
Speaker 2: bought you know, and you know.
Speaker 5: It used to be a time where hip hop was
Speaker 5: judged by the album of the summer. That was the
Speaker 5: album of the summer when it dropped, and as far
Speaker 5: as solo albums and hip hop just from a solo
Speaker 5: artist by itself, from leaving the group doing it by himself,
Speaker 5: knowing the greatest albums of all time from TVV because
Speaker 5: Swiss that beat is not done.
Speaker 2: Changed. I fucking found you know that? Sorry?
Speaker 16: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know that was just a loop man,
Speaker 2: I found that version.
Speaker 5: Well again, guys, man, I want to think thk y'all
Speaker 5: from the fan perspective of hip hop. I do want
Speaker 5: to thank y'all because anybody who really loves hip hop
Speaker 5: and understand how dope you guys been from back then
Speaker 5: to now and continue to make relevant music now, that
Speaker 5: ship is just remarkable.
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like this. This is not normal.
Speaker 5: It's not just being honest. Think it's just on rap steroids.
Speaker 5: I don't know what time y'all.
Speaker 2: Want on whatever.
Speaker 9: This might sound.
Speaker 8: This might sound like like like a political picture or something,
Speaker 8: but like you know, like we're talking about hope, things
Speaker 8: like hope, you know what I mean, Like simple things
Speaker 8: like hope and faith, you know what I mean. People
Speaker 8: get scared of words like that. They think you gotta
Speaker 8: you know, go to church, and you can, you can
Speaker 8: you you can go to church. You can go to
Speaker 8: the Mars.
Speaker 2: You can do that.
Speaker 8: It's all about discipline in yourself. Like, we love this
Speaker 8: thing so much that we almost ruin it. But like
Speaker 8: some things, we got to be proud of that. We
Speaker 8: did survive some things, right, we survived some things and
Speaker 8: we lost some really good people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: So it's like yo, last time, Like yo, last time
Speaker 8: we came to drink chance, people say, Yo, you shouldn't
Speaker 8: go now because you ain't got nothing, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying. It was like, Yo, we gotta go. And
Speaker 8: then y'all kept it a buck. When we had something,
Speaker 8: you invited us back, Like that's what that. Let's celebrate that.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 5: By the way, I was a silly proud proud like
Speaker 5: because like y'all making us proud, y'all making you're making
Speaker 5: y'all making us.
Speaker 2: Say that we can still be and making dope music.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's what all is. Like it makes our
Speaker 2: platform relevant because this is what.
Speaker 5: Just keep this that we're doing that we're not old
Speaker 5: like you know, any other genre of music. When you
Speaker 5: make ten years your fucking season.
Speaker 2: Don't wash up. We're gonna take that worry out of
Speaker 2: our community can't do that ship. You know, I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to. I want to, I want to sell.
Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta take.
Speaker 8: The one I want to I want to send to
Speaker 8: because you know you, you're putting in that good work.
Speaker 9: You're looking great.
Speaker 2: You my brother, thank you. It's inspiring to see hip hop.
Speaker 8: Watching because because we watched we we we watched the
Speaker 8: crack that destroy a lot of people. Like we like
Speaker 8: what we want to see that keep living. Rap supposed
Speaker 8: to be about the crack error or which is now
Speaker 8: the fitting on error. Whatever gaves me you want to
Speaker 8: rap about these type of things, like we want to
Speaker 8: do other stuff.
Speaker 2: People do other stuff.
Speaker 8: We have like to listen to stuff, but they have
Speaker 8: we have sectionalized it where it's like, yo, well I
Speaker 8: don't listen to rap because rap only does this.
Speaker 9: Like that's not true, Like it does different things. It's different.
Speaker 8: It's different elements of this thing, just like it's different
Speaker 8: elements of different type of music. Like so now we
Speaker 8: get to see some of the guys who used to
Speaker 8: go uh do some of the craziest wildless ship in
Speaker 8: front of us go like that. Now they talking about
Speaker 8: mental wellness and all that, Like the last time I
Speaker 8: was on drink Champs, I was drinking, right, I'm sober.
Speaker 2: I was just about yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Now we we seeing guys die in front of us.
Speaker 8: We watched them live, we've seen them die, and we
Speaker 8: can say it's attributed to to this, this profession, whatever
Speaker 8: it is, whether it stress you to death, you know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, which looks like like me personally, I
Speaker 8: feel like Sean Price gave his life for hip hop.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. He died for this man
Speaker 8: fact man school, died doing what he does. God, you
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: God, he died doing what he do.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 8: A lot of these guys was really pushing that issue.
Speaker 8: So we got to go that's important and don't die
Speaker 8: for the cloud though, Like what is that part?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 9: You know what I mean?
Speaker 8: Like we we we remember them for what they did,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. We were set like we
Speaker 8: love Nipsey for what he did, what he tried to
Speaker 8: do for his community. So we want to give something
Speaker 8: back to this thing right here.
Speaker 2: You know, don't die for the culture.
Speaker 8: It's a relationship where we can give something to you
Speaker 8: when you give something back not just buying our record.
Speaker 9: Man, we we this is a love relationship right here.
Speaker 5: So but that's the funny part about kind of like
Speaker 5: all of our relationship is.
Speaker 2: Maybe I met y'all through there, I met y'all through there.
Speaker 5: But the funny part is that juice Ball kind of
Speaker 5: played a role with absolutely absolutely we all kind.
Speaker 2: Of meant a healthy connections.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 2: From Brooklyn. I'm from Queens, Brooklyn, Queens. He's not supposed
Speaker 2: to Yeah, and Little Seasons styles and we're like all
Speaker 2: kind of man like not man definitely that's cool.
Speaker 7: Now we have come a long way and I think
Speaker 7: we've been through a lot and we're still here standing.
Speaker 7: I mean even just like the pieces the Brothers ever
Speaker 7: a brother convert and I think this this album, it
Speaker 7: helped me open up to what I was going through,
Speaker 7: just losing a lot of individuals back to back to
Speaker 7: back to back, because when you grieve or people don't
Speaker 7: really tell you how to agree with, you don't know
Speaker 7: how to agree and when they hit back to back,
Speaker 7: you don't have time to really grieve one because the
Speaker 7: next one is coming. And I think the inspiration behind
Speaker 7: that my brothers, my father, bestie Tianna it really helped
Speaker 7: us get this off of the ground, right, and I
Speaker 7: think behind that we're still here to infinity and beyond.
Speaker 2: That's what it is, you know what.
Speaker 5: That being said, which just said, I want to ask,
Speaker 5: like one of the lifelong questions is sometimes they say
Speaker 5: Mary makes up best music she goes through the drama.
Speaker 5: All right, maybe that's why I'm not making music. Maybe
Speaker 5: I'm not going through the drama that I once visualized.
Speaker 14: But is.
Speaker 2: When y'all make music, do you have to go through something?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, finishing that was it?
Speaker 5: Like, dude, is that something that applies to y'all as well?
Speaker 5: You have to go through drama to make something so
Speaker 5: classical as which have just made?
Speaker 2: Or is it you know? Well?
Speaker 7: I mean personally, I think going through something can be
Speaker 7: a good or bad is depending on how you decide
Speaker 7: to go through it. Before nine times you get up
Speaker 7: ten and it's about how you take that next step
Speaker 7: to continue.
Speaker 8: It.
Speaker 7: Don't have to be Deafit don't have to be losses
Speaker 7: to go through. You you came up and you have
Speaker 7: a great you're.
Speaker 2: Doing the runs.
Speaker 7: You're going through something so joyous that can be your
Speaker 7: inspiration to grab from something joyous. It don't have to
Speaker 7: be it's still pain, because just pain is just weakness
Speaker 7: leaving the bodies. So it can still be of some
Speaker 7: pain and it can be joyous to where you're speaking
Speaker 7: on that. And once you start I think, sitting down
Speaker 7: with me, because I got a book that I'm coming
Speaker 7: out right with. It's just the memoirs and some of
Speaker 7: the best lyrics of vocals. And I think once you
Speaker 7: start really talking about it, that's what helps navigate you
Speaker 7: through it, to get through it, because that's the goal.
Speaker 7: The goal is to get through it. No matter how
Speaker 7: you get around it. The goal is to get through it.
Speaker 7: And once you start speaking and hearing your own voice,
Speaker 7: and you got a good team behind you, I think
Speaker 7: once you start talking, that's going to help your pen
Speaker 7: even flow even more so that's to lose it and
Speaker 7: come back. Yeah, I just I forgot he was on
Speaker 7: the show.
Speaker 2: Somewhere.
Speaker 7: To go through it and come back from it, that's
Speaker 7: the most blessings that you can receive, because you know,
Speaker 7: he didn't bring us this far as just to come
Speaker 7: as far.
Speaker 5: I mean, as long as as long as I can
Speaker 5: re remember. The black experience in music has always been
Speaker 5: connected to life. So Curtis Mayfield doesn't make Superfly. If
Speaker 5: drugs wasn't in what was going on in the seventies,
Speaker 5: wasn't a thing Mary j wouldn't have played made a
Speaker 5: lot of my life. I mean, we go down just
Speaker 5: the OJ's wouldn't make crowd together like Lenny Williams part
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 2: Lenny Williams wouldn't have made because I love you, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like this struggle is not a
Speaker 2: bad strug. No it's not.
Speaker 5: No, it's not no, it's not at all. But life,
Speaker 5: life has to happen. Life is a struggle. Life has
Speaker 5: to happen, and her life is going to accident on
Speaker 5: art then there it is.
Speaker 8: Right, there's things that you just didn't excuse me, There's
Speaker 8: a lot of things that you could talk about, but
Speaker 8: you got to want to talk about it. And then
Speaker 8: and then I guess because the game would do do
Speaker 8: ship to you. It's like do I want to even
Speaker 8: share this with you cats?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 8: So some people can use it for for for purpose,
Speaker 8: just for outlet like he was talking about. Now, I
Speaker 8: don't I don't think that you you will would lacked
Speaker 8: stuff because you have wild experiences congratulations on rand daughter
Speaker 8: and all that exactly, just like you can you can
Speaker 8: rap about running healthy. Like we have a song on
Speaker 8: the Shining On called Home, Sweet Home where I rap
Speaker 8: about an incident where my uncle got locked up and Ruler,
Speaker 8: you know, and I'm like at the end, I'm like,
Speaker 8: I can't wait for him to come home because you
Speaker 8: know we're going to get it popper when he come home,
Speaker 8: like Rule did, like twenty seven years he home though,
Speaker 8: now you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: So it's like I can round about that, like what
Speaker 9: what does that feel like?
Speaker 2: What is that like?
Speaker 8: And maybe even get some information from him where I
Speaker 8: could go like what was that like? Where he his
Speaker 8: experience because he had to watch our whole journey from
Speaker 8: behind the wall.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: So it's like this is why we always like salute
Speaker 8: the guy behind the wall, because they inspired us to
Speaker 8: stay the fuck up out of there, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean. Like, don't I don't act like you gotta
Speaker 8: follow everything, like we we put it in the form
Speaker 8: of a wrap, so we always got something to talk about.
Speaker 8: You know, it's not just our experience. We we are
Speaker 8: the poets of our community and our environment. So we
Speaker 8: kind of like it's an outlet. You gotta feel that,
Speaker 8: you gotta you got some mash it to say.
Speaker 2: But I know that's so, And if you ever need us,
Speaker 2: we have. I love this rumor. Right, people think that
Speaker 2: I got my hair done. I am. This is my mother.
Speaker 5: We got your hairstyles, right, hair whatever, Right, There's no
Speaker 5: way I could have went to Turkey.
Speaker 2: And not been filmed anywhere. We have the foot of
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to tell you is that's the fucking living.
Speaker 5: You can't do ship right, But if you could go
Speaker 5: outside and take a piss, You're unlucky.
Speaker 2: Mother. That's a fact. Because there's somebody tall that was
Speaker 2: just filming fish and you just walked in.
Speaker 8: There and you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, camera and gonna stort your ass. He's gonna text
Speaker 2: you and be like, hey man, I got you.
Speaker 7: That hairship is so crazy. I remember when Kiss started
Speaker 7: growing his head.
Speaker 2: The kids been hating on me.
Speaker 3: I don't get me on were talking about the one
Speaker 3: time on listen we want young Green Nord, the Green Norm.
Speaker 14: When I picked this up, I said like this, really,
Speaker 14: this is you could be green Nord too.
Speaker 5: This is I never I never thought is this the
Speaker 5: cameraip hop taking this long. Never thought, like you know,
Speaker 5: the end of the late eighties early nineties, we had
Speaker 5: a we had a wed a box of stuff called
Speaker 5: do The little duke said, and I never thought, and
Speaker 5: the lady said, dark and lovely stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I never thought I would know somebody the who was
Speaker 2: on the box.
Speaker 5: A man said, he's and I'm glad I saw here
Speaker 5: because I walked into like the beauty supply store.
Speaker 16: So like yomen re becud, can we get down the box?
Speaker 2: I got to do like boxing. My whole sh make
Speaker 2: me a hard You're great because it's St. Patrick's day.
Speaker 2: Try hold you.
Speaker 14: I tried to try to. I tried, man, you know,
Speaker 14: I was using to say die. I tried that ship
Speaker 14: and I walked up with my whole Yeah, yeah, my
Speaker 14: ship was you want around? You got to you got
Speaker 14: to black, said Jet Nord.
Speaker 5: Yeah, black black Jet black Jet Yeah.
Speaker 17: Day, he said, So this is on the stands now
Speaker 17: it will be yeah, and you get have you put
Speaker 17: it in, you get your hair cut. The hair grows
Speaker 17: the same way.
Speaker 2: The shame. It's new technology is behind it. Bro. I
Speaker 2: guarantee ship is off the shade. It's a good shot
Speaker 2: for that. Yeah, for sure, I know somebody know the
Speaker 2: coup o. Thank you guys. I'm glad I saw this here.
Speaker 2: I'm glad I saw it here. Please. Yeah, the song
Speaker 2: of the Beautiful Water Vina. I know it's not it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a CBS. It's gonna be a CBS. Say
Speaker 2: you called to be in the CPS. That is the
Speaker 2: major league, man, But.
Speaker 5: Listen, man, we got to do the picture and some drop.
Speaker 5: Thank you brothers man, sincerely man, because uh, this is
Speaker 5: this is the work of art. It's a masterpiece classic.
Speaker 5: I'm truly not saying that because I have relationships with y'all.
Speaker 5: I'm saying that because this is really what it is,
Speaker 5: and that's hands down. I was very, very proud to
Speaker 5: listen to hip hop and its entirety like that. To
Speaker 5: listen to hip hop and be like, damn, we can
Speaker 5: still make.
Speaker 3: That make out make out not singles, know that that
Speaker 3: still existed. I was just like, y'all can still rock
Speaker 3: an album?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jedi. So I just want to say, thank y'all,
Speaker 2: thank you. We're gonna take some. Yes.
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