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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, March twenty third, and one

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Speaker 1: of the busiest airports in the nation is closed right

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Speaker 1: now and we don't know when it's going to reopen

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Speaker 1: after an incident in which a plane collided with a

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Speaker 1: firetruck on the runway and at least two people are dead.

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Speaker 1: With that, Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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Speaker 1: They tell us LaGuardia is going to open at two

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Speaker 1: o'clock today at the earliest, but we don't know for sure.

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Speaker 1: And folks, this is going to call some chaos. This

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Speaker 1: is a breaking new situation episode. We're recording a little earlier,

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Speaker 1: Robes because this is kind of incredible to see the pictures.

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Speaker 1: But at least two people are dead after a late

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Speaker 1: night incident.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we just watched the latest press conference from

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Speaker 2: the port authority there at LaGuardia to get the latest information.

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Speaker 2: But this scene is surreal to see. Basically, the front

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Speaker 2: end of this Air Canada plane completely smashed in. There

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Speaker 2: was an explosion, it looks like in this collision between

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Speaker 2: the plane and the fire truck. And yes, the two

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Speaker 2: people confirmed dead we heard now are the two pilots

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Speaker 2: who were piloting that plane. It had just landed, It

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Speaker 2: had taken off from Montreal, landing at LaGuardia just before midnight.

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Speaker 3: And now yes, two people are dead.

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Speaker 1: Trying to figure out here exactly what happened. The investigation,

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Speaker 1: of course is underway. But rogues we u and again

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Speaker 1: you all are going to see the pictures. But it's

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Speaker 1: kind of incredible and kind of confusing to figure out

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Speaker 1: how the plane ended up in the position that it

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Speaker 1: was in. Also a pilot copilot killed. But the two

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Speaker 1: who are in the emergency vehicle on the ground, we're

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Speaker 1: told I do not have life threatening injuries, even though

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Speaker 1: they went to the hospital. What's the number again, how

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Speaker 1: many actually did go to the hog for twenty.

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Speaker 3: Three people went to the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, forty one passengers and crew from the plane went

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Speaker 2: to the hospital. And then those two port authority officers

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Speaker 2: who were functioning against in a fire truck, they were

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Speaker 2: and they are still in the hospital. But yes, they

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Speaker 2: said non life threatening injuries, stable condition. They were both

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Speaker 2: able to speak to investigators, which is pretty remarkable when

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Speaker 2: you see what happened to that plane.

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Speaker 1: So, folks, if you will see the pictures at some point,

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Speaker 1: but right now, just to describe it for you. Imagine

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Speaker 1: a plane sitting on a runway. Now, I essentially just

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Speaker 1: put a bunch of weight on the back of it

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Speaker 1: and then have the front of the plane tilt up.

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Speaker 1: What's the kids game used to do the seesaw. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of.

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Speaker 3: How it looks exactly what.

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Speaker 4: It looks like.

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Speaker 1: Weight went on the back of it and the front

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Speaker 1: of it lifted up. You cannot understand, but it looks

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Speaker 1: like the front of the plane is destroyed. Now we're

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Speaker 1: told Robes this was after the plane had landed, so

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Speaker 1: it should have naturally been slowing down. I haven't seen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard from them how fast

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Speaker 1: they believe this plane was going on.

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Speaker 2: No, In fact, they weren't able to give some of

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Speaker 2: those details. Obviously, as you might imagine. The NTSP is

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Speaker 2: on the scene investigating, and that began almost immediately after

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Speaker 2: the incident happened.

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Speaker 3: So we'll get more details later. But it had to be.

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Speaker 2: It seems like that plane had to be going at

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Speaker 2: a high rate of speed to have the impact it had,

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Speaker 2: it would seem but I'm still amazed. I am amazed,

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Speaker 2: thank God that those two officers in that emergency vehicle

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Speaker 2: are alive.

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Speaker 1: No, to your point you're saying early before we start,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you said it right here, it seems like

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Speaker 1: they would have gotten the worst of it. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: seems that way. In the pictures we've seen it ropes.

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Speaker 1: I can't even make out a fire truck down to

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Speaker 1: in the pictures. It's kind of incredible to see. But

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Speaker 1: this is a lot of people who were injured on

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Speaker 1: this plane. Now, what this incident in the first place.

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Speaker 1: What was the fire truck doing there? Look, it was

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Speaker 1: about eleven thirty at night, so it's late last night,

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Speaker 1: so frankly shouldn't have been a whole lot of air

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Speaker 1: traffic necessarily. But there was an issue with another plane, okay,

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Speaker 1: a separate incident. Pilots were reporting a foul odor in

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Speaker 1: That truck was on the way to them and on

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Speaker 1: going to let you hear the audio Incredibly, the truck

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Speaker 2: Yes, because imagine yes, even though it was late at

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Speaker 2: night and you know, you might be thinking not that

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Speaker 2: many planes, but yes, you have to obviously check with

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Speaker 2: there on the tarmac. So you hear the conversation back

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Speaker 2: that fire vehicle and air traffic controllers getting permission to

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Speaker 2: cross the runway. Unfortunately, now we know just as that

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Speaker 2: Air Canada flight was landing on runway four that was

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Speaker 2: the runway in question, and it's just surrealed to see

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Speaker 2: or actually to hear how it all took place.

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Speaker 1: And so as you all, we're going to play this

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this, pay attention. You hear the air

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Speaker 1: traffic controller he's making a reference to four. Four is

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Speaker 1: actually the number of the runway that they're talking about,

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Speaker 1: and he's initially talking to a back and forth with

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Speaker 1: that it's pretty easy to understand or kind of get

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Speaker 1: an idea of what's happening here. So here it is

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Speaker 1: the air traffic control from the incident last night.

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Speaker 2: Truck one company with Vardy Tower requesting to cross four

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Speaker 2: at Delta.

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Speaker 4: Truck one company cross for at Delta. Truck one and

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Speaker 4: company crossing four at Delva Frontier forty one nine to

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Speaker 4: stop there, please stop stop that truck on stop stop stop, stop,

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Speaker 4: truck one stop lap truck one, beljoy go around Romly

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Speaker 4: heading two thousand, got six four six.

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Speaker 1: Division and you hear at the end, I see you collided.

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Speaker 1: I see you collided. You hear him say that. But Robes,

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Speaker 1: he gave, I mean assume this this is an active runway.

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Speaker 1: If you're out there in the vehicle, this is not

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Speaker 1: You need permission to do everything. It sounds like you

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Speaker 3: It did sound like he got it.

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Speaker 2: And then quickly he said, you know, stop stop, but

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Speaker 2: it was too late at that point obviously, so yes,

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Speaker 2: the investigation. And look, we have talked a lot about

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Speaker 2: and heard many reports about a shortage of air traffic controllers,

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Speaker 2: air traffic controllers being overworked, and certainly we know they

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Speaker 2: are among those who are getting paid during this government shutdown.

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Speaker 2: But look, this is a job where lives are hanging

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Speaker 2: in the balance, and we've talked about how important it

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Speaker 2: is to have a full staff, a arrested staff.

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Speaker 3: We don't know the situation with what happened, but.

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Speaker 2: This is obviously remarkably and incredibly rare, thankfully, but to

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Speaker 2: was going on or how that order was given.

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Speaker 1: Eho. And they have to hold the radar and you

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Speaker 1: can see the planes moving around and all that stuff

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Speaker 1: will be looked at Rose, but it's it is when

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Speaker 1: they take a look at this. Yes, an accident happened,

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Speaker 1: but doesn't mean a mistake was made. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: do we need to improve something. All that will be

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Speaker 1: looked into. But robes. A big part of that conversation

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Speaker 1: of tsa excuse me, of air traffic controllers had to

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Speaker 1: do with sometimes in the late night hours. There was

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Speaker 1: a short shortage of stack.

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Speaker 3: One person where it should have been three had too much.

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Speaker 1: If you would have had a couple more eyeballs out there,

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Speaker 1: would this have made a difference. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: he seemed to recognize, did he not rode pretty quickly? Oops,

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Speaker 1: you need to stop. The guy he just told to go.

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Speaker 1: He pretty immediately said.

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Speaker 3: Stop, my goodness, But think about it.

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Speaker 2: If the plane we don't know if it had just landed,

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Speaker 2: if it was landing, if it was breaking. But that

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Speaker 2: split second was the difference between life and death.

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Speaker 1: Again, two dead at this point. Remind me, Robes and

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Speaker 1: you were listening there to the Did they say they

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Speaker 1: have serious injuries? Did they say life threatening to some

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Speaker 3: So they said serious. Here's what we heard exactly.

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Speaker 2: So on that plane there were seventy two passengers and

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Speaker 2: four crew members, and then in the vehicle that crossed

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Speaker 2: the runway, there were two officers of that group. Forty

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Speaker 2: the officers who were in that vehicle also went to

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Speaker 2: the hospital. Thirty two have been released. Of all of

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Speaker 2: those numbers. That means that nine people remain hospitalized. We

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Speaker 2: specifically were in stable condition.

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Speaker 3: The other seven these were folks who were on the plane.

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Speaker 2: Among that group, some have very serious injuries, was how

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Speaker 3: So they could be life threatening.

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Speaker 2: And certainly we will be keeping our eye on that

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Speaker 2: that plane, you can understand why there were so many injuries.

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Speaker 1: First and foremost, my life injury human beings, that's the

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Speaker 1: most important part. But there is another part of this story.

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Speaker 1: We were already expecting, excuse me, we were already seeing

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Speaker 1: chaos at the nation's airports. We were expecting the potential

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Speaker 1: for it to get even worse today because yes, ICE

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Speaker 1: agents are supposed to start showing up, supposed to help,

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Speaker 1: but ropes. A lot of people will tell you that

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Speaker 1: is going to add to the chaos at the airports.

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Speaker 1: And now you have one of the biggest airport's, most

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Speaker 1: important airports in the country shut down. What to expect

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Speaker 1: today for air travel? What to expect if you have

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Speaker 1: anything to do with LaGuardia today. Stay here. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, we have weather in the northeast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back here, everybody. We just talked about it. We

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Speaker 1: were just about to come back on and tell you

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Speaker 1: about what LaGuardia might look like today, what air tribal

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Speaker 1: will look like. And look up and see a map

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Speaker 1: with all kinds of colors on it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, when you have massive weather, when you see yellow,

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Speaker 2: orange and red on the radar, you know that means

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Speaker 2: some serious storms are now passing through the Northeast now

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Speaker 2: in very dramatic fashion. It looks like so that certainly

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Speaker 2: will add to the airport woes and all of the delays.

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Speaker 2: I cannot even imagine the mess that is going on now.

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Speaker 2: LaGuardia Airport full ground stop, completely shut down until at

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Speaker 2: least two pm Eastern time, and they made that very clear.

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Speaker 2: That is the earliest LaGuardia Airport could open today, which

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Speaker 2: means it could be closed for god knows how long.

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Speaker 1: Roads. I cannot believe this is happening.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And you know what was really eye opening when

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Speaker 2: I woke up this morning and started looking at so

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Speaker 2: many airport stories, even just adjacent stories. It wasn't even

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Speaker 3: They just it's too much with the staffing shortage.

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Speaker 3: It's just they just they.

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Speaker 1: No, there's a lot of details. There's a lot to

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Speaker 1: but this is unnecessary and so now robes Unfortunately, now,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get my head around what today is

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Speaker 2: This is all because of the investigation that's going on

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Speaker 1: We are recording this again, the breaking news, and it's

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Speaker 1: still a lot of people haven't woken up, including a

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Speaker 1: What we are saying, Robes is that this situation now

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Speaker 1: because of what Congress has done. Correct, we would not

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Speaker 1: we are on the edge, babe. Whether if there's another

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Speaker 1: what was the was it Denver power outage?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Like these little things do happen.

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Speaker 2: We don't have to have that exactly, And we don't

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Speaker 3: It causes clashes. People are upset, People have a visceral emotional.

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Speaker 2: This might create the pressure if they hadn't already felt it,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, your boys got it soft and you look

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Speaker 1: What that It took two people dying maybe to move them.

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Speaker 1: That's not problem, and that's the thing. And just the

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Speaker 1: on flight aware a lot lately, but right now Laguardier

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Speaker 1: Airport fifty percent flights canceled. That will get words, but

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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy three cancelations. That's the most of

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Speaker 1: even up robes, Oh.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, And yes, the day has just begun. We

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Speaker 2: don't know when LaGuardia is going to reopen. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we will stay on top of this developing story that

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Speaker 2: affects frankly the entire country at this point. But without everyone,

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Speaker 2: we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robock

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Speaker 2: alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll have morning run up for you

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Speaker 2: here in just a bit, so we hope you have

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Speaker 2: a wonderful day until then,