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Speaker 1: A Connecticut mother of five goes missing, her car found

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Speaker 1: even a bloody mop. Now finally, an arrest of Fotus Dulos,

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Speaker 1: his mistress, and amazingly, the lawyer. Did the lawyer have

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Speaker 1: a deal to provide an alibi for the time of

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Speaker 1: the murder in exchange for his own wife's murder. Bobshell

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Speaker 1: Now in the Jennifer Dulo's case, I Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It was

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Speaker 1: a Friday morning in late May, almost the end of

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Speaker 1: the academic year, when Jennifer Dulos dropped off her five

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Speaker 1: rented home around eight o'clock, then vanished, We love you

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Speaker 1: and we are doing everything we can to bring you home.

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Speaker 1: Hours later, worried friends called the police after she missed

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Speaker 1: several appointments. Her disappearance sparked an intense search, stretching across

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Speaker 1: state lines, making headlines in the national news. New development

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Speaker 1: in the case of that missing mother of five overnight

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Speaker 1: her a strange husband speaking in a new interview, her

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Speaker 1: Coops immediately start with the timeline and trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out if she left on her own, But then they

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Speaker 1: discover her suv seemingly abandoned. Drones, canines, and a helicopter

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Speaker 1: but key evidence discovered inside her rented home. A police

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Speaker 1: crime scene at the affidavit it says blood spatter spatter.

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Speaker 1: That's significant. That affidavit showing that Jennifer was the suspected

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Speaker 1: victim of a serious physical assault. You're hearing our friends

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Speaker 1: at ABC. That was Witt Johnson and others. Stunning developments

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Speaker 1: in the case of missing Connecticut mom of five Jennifer Dulos,

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Speaker 1: last seen by objective witnesses when she drops her children

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Speaker 1: off at a ritzy day school there in New Canaan.

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Speaker 1: New Canaan, a wealthy enclave not too far out of

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Speaker 1: Definitely a low crime area. What happened to Jennifer Dulos

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Speaker 1: With me an all Star panel Troy Slayton, we're now

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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney Bobby Chico and former special agent FBI

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Speaker 1: star a Facebook curse of Akacre. Laura Ingle, Fox News

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Speaker 1: national correspondent, who has spent time interviewing Duelos at his home,

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Speaker 1: on the story from the beginning. I meanan Sey, Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Laura Ingle, Fox News National correspondent, Laura,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe the latest developments. You take it off, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: This has been an incredible story from the start. With

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Speaker 1: his original civil attorney, Kent Mwinney, we are getting an

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Speaker 1: awful lot of information through these arrestaurants. As you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about the blood evidence that

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Speaker 1: Connecticut police and New Candom police have been working on

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Speaker 1: all these months. They have kept this investigation so close

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Speaker 1: Photos were arrested on tampering with evidence charges. We know

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Speaker 1: garbage bags that tie both Photos Dulos and Shelterconus to

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Speaker 1: the crime that investigators believe that Photos Duos were lying

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Speaker 1: combination of Jennifer Dulos's DNA matching the blood, Photos Dulos's

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Speaker 1: DNA and fingerprints, and Michelterconus's DNA on the knot. You know,

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Speaker 1: turns out that her DNA's on there way. Oh wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: We now know in the last hours Fotus Delos arrested

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Speaker 1: And not only that, his former lawyer, Kent McWhinney has

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Speaker 1: do it? No offense? But this guy? Did you just

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Speaker 1: hear Laura Ingle? She just said that on these things?

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Speaker 1: so it's not surprising that DNA for a husband would

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Speaker 1: She went and rented this home in New Canaan, which

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Speaker 1: I believe the round with eighteen thousand dollars and months

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know, Laura, I don't know before you

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Speaker 1: gonna know. Now. I grew up on a red dirt road.

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Speaker 1: Two days before Jennifer Dulos went missing, he had a

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Speaker 1: a Facebook curse of Acacor and special guests, Fox Knew's

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Speaker 1: national correspondent Laura Ingle. Laura Ingle joining us right now

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Speaker 1: with breaking news in the case, Laura, what do you know?

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Speaker 1: So this goes to his original attorney, Kent mulleeney. This

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Speaker 1: is the guy that he first became friends with Kent

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Speaker 1: when he you know, he's a luxury homebuilder. So Kent

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Speaker 1: would come in and help him close on the sales

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Speaker 1: of property. They became friends, he became a lawyer. Then

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Speaker 1: backing up to if you take the record back two

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Speaker 1: years before Jennifer goes missing, I mentioned the bitter divorce

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Speaker 1: and custody battle, but there was also a civil case

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Speaker 1: going on with Gloria Farber, who is Jennifer Dulos's mother,

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Speaker 1: about money that the family had loaned photos to build

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Speaker 1: these luxury homes that were some of the loans were

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Speaker 1: paid back, they say some of them weren't. Dulo said,

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Speaker 1: I actually don't owe them any money they owe me.

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Speaker 1: It's been this whole fight about money. But back in

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Speaker 1: the beginning, Kent was his lawyer. Kent also had a

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Speaker 1: situation of his own. He was also embroiled in a

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Speaker 1: bitter divorce battle with his own wife. He had been

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Speaker 1: arrested for abuse, and his wife, she accused him of

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Speaker 1: spousal rape, of choking, put a restraining order against him,

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Speaker 1: wanted no contact with him. In the weeks before Jennifer

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Speaker 1: Dulos goes missing, this woman not identified by the press,

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Speaker 1: but this woman is getting phone calls from Photos Dulos

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Speaker 1: out of the blue, and he says, hey, why don't

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Speaker 1: you come over to my house. I'll get kN over here.

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Speaker 1: You guys can talk talk some things out. And she

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Speaker 1: doesn't know who this guy is. She doesn't, she's not

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Speaker 1: friendly with him. They don't have a relationship. She found

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Speaker 1: it odd he kept calling saying, Kent really wants to

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Speaker 1: talk to you. Remember Kent has an order not to

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Speaker 1: talk to his wife. But I think the idea is

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Speaker 1: that if Photos can talk to him, you know, that

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Speaker 1: goes around the order. She is afraid of her husband

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Speaker 1: tells police as such. She's gonna end up meeting Photos

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Speaker 1: Dulos at a restaurant in the days before Jennifer goes missing,

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Speaker 1: because he's been relentless and we'd heard about this, but

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Speaker 1: our affiliate Fox sixty one got a hold of the

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Speaker 1: voicemail tapes of Photosdulos leaving messages on the wife's machine

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Speaker 1: saying I want to talk to you. Can you please

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Speaker 1: call me back. I want to set my schedule. I

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Speaker 1: want to get this set up. So we're hearing that

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Speaker 1: for the very first time and backing up why Kent

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Speaker 1: Muiney was also Muinney was also arrested on conspiracy to

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Speaker 1: commit murder. Like I'm just giving you the backstory about

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Speaker 1: what's happening in his personal life. He also was a

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Speaker 1: founding member of a gun club out in South Windsor,

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Speaker 1: an area in Connecticut, rolling hills, trees, branches, you know,

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Speaker 1: big areas where people go and shoot pheasants. So he

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Speaker 1: founded this club a long time ago, haven't been a

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Speaker 1: member in five to six years. A couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: before Jennifer Dulas goes missing, he contacts the club and says, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in getting back involved in the club. Could

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Speaker 1: I have access to the club? Could I come out

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Speaker 1: and poke around and look at the grounds of what

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Speaker 1: you guys have done. Sure, here's where you go. Here's

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Speaker 1: where it is. Six days before Jennifer Duelos goes missing,

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Speaker 1: two guys at the gun club are out Sense and hunting.

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Speaker 1: They find a hole in the ground. It's covered with

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Speaker 1: barbecue grapes. They're like, this is weird. They kick the

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Speaker 1: barbecue grapes off. They look in the hole. It is

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Speaker 1: at the six foot rectangle, so six foot long, three

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Speaker 1: and a half feet deep, two feet wide. Inside the

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Speaker 1: hole is a tarp and two unopened bags of lime.

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Speaker 1: They don't report it to police right away. We don't

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Speaker 1: know why, but eventually, when Jennifer Dulas goes missing, they

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Speaker 1: do call police. Police go out to check out the hole.

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Speaker 1: It's been covered up. It's quote meat as a pen.

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Speaker 1: According to the arrest, wererant and somebody has filled it

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Speaker 1: out because they disrupted whatever had been dug before. So

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Speaker 1: whoever dug the hole and came back to use the

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Speaker 1: hole realized that somebody had discovered the hole because the

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Speaker 1: grapes had been removed and things had been kicked around,

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Speaker 1: so somebody went back and filled the hole. That ties

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Speaker 1: into the conspiracy to commit murder charge. He also was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be an alibi for Fotus and said he

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Speaker 1: hit his head the day that Jennifer went missing. Any

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Speaker 1: cameramember anything crime stories with Nancy Grace. The police found

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Speaker 1: handwritten notes. Detectives call them quote alibi's scripts at Poonus

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Speaker 1: Dulo's home that seemed to show written out in handwriting

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Speaker 1: both his and his mistress, Michelle Tracona's whereabouts and activities

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Speaker 1: on the day Jennifer goes missing May twenty four. Now,

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Speaker 1: Traconis blurts out to cops that she and Dulos woke

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Speaker 1: up together that morning, showered, and had sex. According to

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Speaker 1: Warren's evidence shows that's not true, and in later interviews,

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Speaker 1: Traconis breaks down and admits the alibi quote scripts are

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Speaker 1: faults that she could not vouch for Dulo's whereabouts. Some

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Speaker 1: morning Jennifer is murdered, and that's where the defense lawyer

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Speaker 1: gets pulled into it. Royce Layton, this is a word

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Speaker 1: of warning to you not to get too involved with

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Speaker 1: your creepy clients. The lawyer, Mahenny, third person charged in

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Speaker 1: this case, is now believed to have been involved in

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Speaker 1: an attempt on his own wives life. What do you

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Speaker 1: make if it's lightened. Well, first to the what you're

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Speaker 1: calling the alibi scripts, I call that a timeline to

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Speaker 1: help recollect everything that happened. When a client first comes

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Speaker 1: to me. One of the very first things that I

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Speaker 1: tell them to do is write out everything that you

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Speaker 1: can remember so that way later on we can refer

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Speaker 1: back to it. So it may very well be since

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Speaker 1: he knew that he was being accused in a suspect

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Speaker 1: in his wife's murder, that he and his girlfriend wanted

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Speaker 1: to write out everything that they could remember about their

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Speaker 1: whereabouts so that way later on when they couldn't remember

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Speaker 1: as well, because memory does not improve with time, that

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Speaker 1: they'd be able to recollect where they were and have

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Speaker 1: something to refer back to. Now, as far as the

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Speaker 1: holes in the ground, it's a gun club where Kent

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Speaker 1: Moheeney was a founding member. That doesn't prove anything. We've

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Speaker 1: got holes in the ground that are not connected to

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Speaker 1: any person and then the holes are gone. No bodies

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Speaker 1: were in there, no, no, no person was ever found

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Speaker 1: in there, So that's proof of really nothing. Well wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, choice, Lytton, in your defense attorney world, your

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Speaker 1: alternate universe, why would there be a hole dug in

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Speaker 1: the ground the size of a human body with a

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Speaker 1: tarp and lime? Well, what do you think that was for?

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Speaker 1: You think they were planning some tomatoes or some turnips

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Speaker 1: out there? Who knows. There was also barbecue grates on there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe someone was planning some sort of barbecue. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what that was for or what somebody was doing,

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Speaker 1: but there was no body there and there was no

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Speaker 1: body connected with it, and there's no proof of who

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Speaker 1: dug it. So I think that that's really a red

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Speaker 1: Harry just happened to be at mhuinney's gun club. Douloso

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Speaker 1: m whinney close for your ship. Through business dealings. Mcuhinney

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Speaker 1: handled real estate closings for Dulo's luxury home building company,

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Speaker 1: The Four Group, Inc. They got closer and closer, especially

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Speaker 1: as they went through highly, highly contentious, bitter divorces and

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Speaker 1: Dulos playing what authorities cops say, played an active role

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Speaker 1: in a liaison a connection between Muenney and his wife

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Speaker 1: trying to set up a quote meeting with his the

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Speaker 1: lawyer's wife. The lawyer's wife even said she was afraid

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Speaker 1: they were going to kill her. Bobby Chicko. Final thoughts, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we have a much clearer picture now than

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Speaker 1: we did several months ago. I think the police work

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Speaker 1: has been excellent in this case, and now with the

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Speaker 1: addition of this civil lawyer, that's been charged. I think

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Speaker 1: we have both what happened before, what happened during, and

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Speaker 1: what was planned after this crime was committed. So I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's all supported by the physical and scientific evidence,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I think a jury will

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Speaker 1: have no problem coming to a conviction in this case.

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Speaker 1: I think despite what you know, and Roy's a friend

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Speaker 1: and it's his job to to create these really remote possibilities,

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Speaker 1: I think that the theory of the prosecution is clear.

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Speaker 1: I think that's supported by the forensic evidence and the

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Speaker 1: physical evidence, and so, you know, I think that the

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Speaker 1: police working and the prosecution work has been a really

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Speaker 1: well done. It's been thorough, it's been patient, and I

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Speaker 1: think they'll get a conviction, you know. To Laura Angele

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Speaker 1: Fox needs a National correspondent. Mcwinney's wife, the lawyer Dulos.

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Speaker 1: Lawyer's wife says she felt she was being quote bated,

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Speaker 1: especially by the fact that Dulos kept inviting her back

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Speaker 1: to his private home. She believed her husband wanted her dead.

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Speaker 1: That's what she says. That's what she says. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: you know, to to play the other side of the coin,

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Speaker 1: because that's what we do, you know, Norm Pattis, who

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Speaker 1: is photus attorney, has come out. He gave a lengthy

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Speaker 1: press conflict after Photus was arraigned. He said that they

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Speaker 1: feel confident whether or not that spravado, but he said

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Speaker 1: there's nobody, there is no weapon. What they have here

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Speaker 1: is largely a circumstantial case. We believe we can show

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Speaker 1: that photos Dulos was not involved in his wife's disappearance.

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Speaker 1: When I interviewed him in December, he couldn't speak to

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Speaker 1: the criminal case because he was under a gag order,

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Speaker 1: but he has said previously numerous times that he had

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with her disappearance. Michelle Traconis also has

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Speaker 1: pled not guilty, and so there's a lot now on

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Speaker 1: the plate though, with this new information that has just

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Speaker 1: come out, and I think we're going to continue to

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Speaker 1: get more. We've got the stuff in the arrestaurants, with

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Speaker 1: what they found in the garbage bags. We have these

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Speaker 1: voicemail messages that back up what Kent Winnie's wife said

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Speaker 1: she was terrified. We now hear these voicemail messages. There's

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Speaker 1: a long road to go here. All are supposed to

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Speaker 1: be back in court next month for the next court appearances.

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Speaker 1: None of them have officially pled to these most serious charges,

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Speaker 1: but we are expecting that to happen in February, Laura Engel.

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Speaker 1: And then there's, let me just say, coincidence that Mhuinney's wife,

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Speaker 1: Dulos's lawyer's wife had to call police just before this

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Speaker 1: because there was an intruder where the gas can and

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Speaker 1: a crowbar breaking in her home. Isn't it odd how

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Speaker 1: the minute she files for this divorce and all that's happening,

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Speaker 1: somebody tries to break in her home where the gas

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Speaker 1: can and a crowbar. She's living there and she's the

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Speaker 1: only adult living there. And then she's being lured by

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Speaker 1: Dulo's to have a private meeting at his home and

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Speaker 1: they find a shallow grave Doug at Mhuinney's gun club.

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Speaker 1: One last question, what about Mhuinney's phone pinging off a

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Speaker 1: cell tower near Mountain Spring Road. He was tracked and

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Speaker 1: they were able to get friends of evidence from all

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Speaker 1: of their cell phones about their whereabouts or at least

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Speaker 1: where they had been close to and Muhinney's a cell

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Speaker 1: phone did, for that matter, ping near the gun club

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Speaker 1: around the time that possibly something was done at the

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Speaker 1: gun club at his hand. We don't know, but the

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Speaker 1: eighty Mountain Spring Road was another house that was under

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Speaker 1: development by photos Dulos, And there is a lot of

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Speaker 1: action at that house that has been searched up and

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Speaker 1: torn apart and looked through and tested. But there is

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Speaker 1: a lot of activity at the eighty Mountain Spring Road

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Speaker 1: around the time of Jennifer's disappearance that later that day.

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Speaker 1: The next day, neighbor's reported see hearing some loud pounding

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Speaker 1: noises that woke them up. They didn't know what it was.

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Speaker 1: We can't nobody who's been able to discern what that

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Speaker 1: noise was, But you're right there. He was picked up.

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Speaker 1: His cell phone at least was picked up into that

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Speaker 1: area as well. That shall a grave measured six feet

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Speaker 1: long and three and a half feet deep according to

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Speaker 1: state police, and was covered up by barbecue grates covered

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Speaker 1: with leaves and branches. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Gray's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,