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Speaker 1: my name is Jamie Loftus. So what I should have

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Speaker 1: said is hello, welcome to the birds of No. No,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing better write the first time birdle cast. Birds

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Speaker 1: ahead of myself in terms of brilliant discourse. But is

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Speaker 1: like see a physical bird? Oh? I don't think you

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Speaker 1: actually see a real bird. No pigeons, not even a

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Speaker 1: p I feel like in most movies that don't have

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Speaker 1: birds in the tattle, you get a pig gin. I'm

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Speaker 1: guess i'd have to like go back and rewatch Birdman,

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Speaker 1: some reason I was watching this movie as if I

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Anyways, this is The Birds of Paste. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So if you're not familiar with the show, we are

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Speaker 1: a movie podcast that examines the treatment and representation of

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Speaker 1: women in film, and we used the Bechtel test as

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Speaker 1: a jumping off point. Jamie, what on earth is the

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Speaker 1: Bechdel test? Well, I can tell you what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a media matric invented by cartoonist Alison Buckdel, sometimes

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Speaker 1: called the Bechdel Wallace test, that we choirs for our

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Speaker 1: purposes that there be two female identified characters in a

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Speaker 1: piece of media with names who talk to each other

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Speaker 1: about something other than a man. Most movies don't pass it.

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Speaker 1: I think movies are starting to pass it more, but

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Speaker 1: not because people regard women better, but because they don't

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Speaker 1: want to get canceled. That's true. Yeah, So that's where

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Speaker 1: we start from. Well, first we start with birds, and

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Speaker 1: then are there any birds in the movie? Then we

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Speaker 1: the movie is probably trash. I'd like to see that

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Speaker 1: ven diagram of how many movies passed the bird test,

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Speaker 1: which is a test that requires a movie have a

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Speaker 1: keep my eye out for that. Someone right there. Does

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to see the bird in focus. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: our guests. No, don't apologize at all. We love your contributions.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Of course, she is

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Speaker 1: It's Emily Yoshida. Hi, Hello, thanks for having me. Oh

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Speaker 1: he was one of the goons who came and killed

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Speaker 1: her family Victor Zayz, which it didn't fully occur. I

425
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: think that. I mean, the movie does tell you that,

426
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: but it didn't occur to me until the end where

427
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I guess she didn't care about Black

428
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: Mask not really, because she shows up, she kills Christmas

429
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: Ina and then it's like, okay, I'm done. And then

430
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: Rosie Perez is like, um, who do you think funded

431
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: this whole operation? It was because Roman, it is trying

432
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: to do this thing like it all like plot, plot,

433
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: plot plot. There there are a few times in the

434
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: third act where they have to like stand in her

435
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: room and be like, so, this is what's going on,

436
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: and this is our relationship to the plot right now.

437
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: Also we're all friends. Now, okay, let's start the scene.

438
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 1: This is why I should care about what's going on,

439
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: and this is why you should care about what's going on.

440
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: Like it's just you know, reiterating the stakes for everybody.

441
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: This is where I feel a Rosie Perez really a

442
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: shines because she can make them very expository dialogue sound

443
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: like not that like very urgent and cool. I love. Yeah,

444
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: she's great. So Huntress shows up. She's looking for the

445
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: bad guys basically, and then Harley Quinn's friend Doc sells

446
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: out her whereabouts and she's very disheartened and she's like, well,

447
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: if this is the way the world is, I guess

448
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: I gotta tell Roman to come and collect Cassandra. She

449
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: makes this arrangement to meet at amusement Mile and everyone

450
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: goes there. It's like this rundown theme park. Renee Montoya,

451
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: Black Canary, and Huntress all show up because they've all

452
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: got business with either Harley Quinn, Roman or one of

453
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: his associates. But they all decide to band together and

454
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: take down Roman and his goons. And there's the big

455
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: fight and it seems like they won, but then Cassandra

456
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: gets kidnapped, so Harley Quinn goes after her. There's a

457
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: big chain. Then Cassandra plants a grenade on Roman and

458
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: then Harley Quinn flings him over the railing and he

459
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: blows into bits and it's a great moment of Catharsis.

460
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: Then uh and then Huntress gets the diamond back and

461
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 1: gets her family fortune back. Um. Then Renee, Black Canary,

462
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: and Huntress all decide to band together as the Birds

463
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: of Prey to fight crime throughout Gotham. And then Harley

464
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: Quinn goes off with Cassandra. She's made Cassandra her like apprentice,

465
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: and then she drives off into the sunset or whatever

466
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: time of day. It is. The end, the end, So

467
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then we'll come right

468
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: back to discuss. So where where do we want to

469
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: start with with this movie? I've got I've got some pros,

470
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: I've got some causa we want to start? Well, maybe

471
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: would it make most sense to start by kind of

472
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: how the Harley Quinn character was depicted previously in Suicide

473
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: Squad and note those differences. Yeah, and then I've got

474
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: some notes on comic book cannon for the other nine

475
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: Birds of Prey. So if do you want to kick

476
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: it off with? Yeah, So the Harley Quinn character evolved

477
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: and is treated differently as a character between Suicide Squad,

478
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: which came on was written and directed by men, versus

479
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: Birds of Prey, which was written and directed by women.

480
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: Imagine that. So in Suicide Squad, I would say that

481
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: the Harley Quinn character is largely characterized by her relationship

482
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: with a man, the Joker, who she is obsessed with.

483
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: She wears a jacket that says property of the Joker.

484
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: You know, things like that. Um. She is surrounded by

485
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: mostly men. The story is populated by mostly male characters.

486
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: We don't really know that much about her, and what

487
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: we do learn a lot of what we learn is

488
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: what other characters say about her, and that's mostly that

489
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: she is quote crazy and her character is hyper sexualized.

490
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: In terms of cinematography, wardrobe choices fight choreography, like we

491
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: see the you know, she wraps her legs around a

492
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: man's face and pussy slams him into the ground. Move happens.

493
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: It's like female in an action movie three kicks in

494
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: a pussy slam and then get her off screen. Yep.

495
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: So all of that versus some just sort of basic

496
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: things and then we'll go into far more detail about everything.

497
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: But in Birds of Prey, as the title of the

498
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: movie suggests, which is the fantabulous emancipation of one Harley Quinn,

499
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: the story is about her being free of a toxic

500
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: relationship with Joker, and her kind of like you know,

501
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: emotional goal of the movie is wanting a fresh start.

502
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: She wants to be her own woman. She's no longer

503
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: defined by her relationship to a man. She is surrounded

504
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: by mostly women, and she is no longer the object

505
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: of the male gaze. I would say, like the closest

506
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: thing we get to any type of gaze is Harley

507
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: Quinn getting borderline horny as she watches her bacon egg

508
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: and cheese sandwich being made, which is also one of

509
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: my favorite jokes in the entire movie. And then similarly,

510
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: her fight choreography is not sexualized, like now she's punching people,

511
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: bashing them with baseball bats, throwing them on the ground,

512
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: things like that. I liked her use of a mallet. Yeah,

513
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: I like a good mallet related engine a mallet swinging.

514
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just fun. It's a great principal weapon

515
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: to have. I think that's a lot of value, especially

516
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: if you're Margot Robbie and you have the biggest smile

517
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: in the entire world that you can just like spread

518
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: across your face as you swing a mallet around. It's

519
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: just fun, Like it looks great. So those are the

520
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: main kind of just initial differences. So I mean that

521
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: just goes to show like when a story is being

522
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: handled by men who really only care about a woman

523
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: being present in the story to like be hot, and

524
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: that's basically it. The characters treated very differently versus when

525
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: you have the story in the hands of like women

526
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: with an agenda, like the director, the writer. I watched

527
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: a few interviews with each of them saying and like,

528
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean, producer Margot Robbie. They were all like, we

529
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: want this to be like a feminist like smashing of

530
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 1: the patriarchy. So just goes to show who's behind the

531
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: camera can largely influence, you know, the movie that gets made. Yeah,

532
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: I think the things that really, aside from just the

533
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: general framing of the character, which again haven't seen suicide

534
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: squads that don't have an exact I have an idea

535
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: just from if you'd see trailers of it and stuff

536
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: from clips um, but I think like, aside from just

537
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: how it views her, I think also the way that

538
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: it can build a sense of danger out of these

539
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: various scenarios she finds herself in, particularly with men, Like

540
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of subtlety and like and stuff that

541
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: I felt like I genuinely hadn't seen before and this

542
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: kind of film, Like there's a part where she gets

543
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: hit with like a tranquilizer dart or just like a

544
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: paralyzing dart or something, so she's like conscious, but she

545
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: can't move her body, and then you know the second

546
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: that somebody starts to kind of creep on her in

547
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: that scenario, it's like, really like your hackles go up

548
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: as a viewer and you're just like, oh, this is

549
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: the worst, this would suck um. And you know, it's

550
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: still kind of done in this sort of whack of

551
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: dude sort of tone, but it's able to kind of

552
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: flip the perspective a little bit with you know, stuff

553
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: like tranquilizer darts and stuff where where it's just you

554
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of have a new sort of palette to play

555
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: with when you're looking at it from that perspective as

556
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: opposed to what we usually see in these films. Yeah,

557
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: I like, I mean there I I did a little

558
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: bit of research on just like, what is the basic

559
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: canon of a lot of the women we see in

560
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: this movie, just to because I had a sneaking suspicion

561
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: that maybe some of it had change. And I like,

562
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: I like the choices, um that they make to alter

563
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: some of the backstory too, because I think that, you know,

564
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: because the comic book world for so long was so

565
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: male dominated, that all of their canonical stories are somehow

566
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: tied to a man, and so like, I mean, Harley Quinn,

567
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: we've we've already talked through. Dina Lance was originally a

568
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: detective's daughter who wants to be like she's someone's daughter

569
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: and that's why she's involved in the story. Um. Huntresses

570
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: story is pretty much the same, where she's she's an

571
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: arnist who witnesses the murder of her family. UM. Cassandra

572
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: Caine has a very different backstory where she's kind of

573
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean in this she is like they make vague

574
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: references to like she is in the foster care system

575
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: and she is not being serviced by it very well,

576
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: which I kind of wish we had like a little

577
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: more to go off of them, like two vague yelling

578
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: adults in the background. Um, And that stands to get

579
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: very depressing. But it was like interesting because that is

580
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: not canonically what who she is at all. Um. She's

581
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: originally discovered in a martial arts tournament. She becomes someone's bodyguard,

582
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: and then she becomes an assassin. UM. So she was

583
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: very different, and she had two living parents. She was

584
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: like the daughter of like these famous married assassins in

585
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: in the books. So I don't know why she also,

586
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm look, you know right now, she's also

587
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: bad girl. At one point, she becomes bad girl because

588
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: she's like actually a wayne, like she was put into

589
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: the foster system. But it's like like related to Bruce Wayne.

590
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: There's a few different versions of her too, which makes

591
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: it more confusing. But and that was like one of

592
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: the characters that they strayed really far from I think

593
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: more for plot reasons than for other reasons. But I

594
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: mean most of the changes were fun and like sir,

595
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: I feel like gives the character more room to do stuff.

596
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: I will say that she's probably my favorite of all

597
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: of what I think are the birds of prey in

598
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: this movie, just because I one, I think she's developed

599
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: with the most clarity of all the characters. And also

600
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: I just like feel I feel very represented and very

601
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: seen when I see like an awkward, kind of grumpy

602
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: teenage Asian girl who like with a permanent like frown.

603
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: That's just like just like, oh, they made they made

604
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: a superhero movie where like teenage me got to be

605
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: like Harley Quinn's apprentice. That's cool. And like her eternal

606
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: Pink cast too, I love so much. Like yeah, I

607
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: like and and um, what's her name? Ella Ella J Basco. Yeah,

608
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: she's awesome, She's I can't wait to see her and

609
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: more stuff. Yeah, she's super super funny, really really fun. Yeah.

610
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are those are the canon changes. That

611
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: are made to the main characters. Yeah, it's I mean

612
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: the relationships that they end up having with each other

613
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: on screen in this movie, Like I really enjoyed, like

614
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: how all those unfolded they pretty much all have like

615
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: an arc where they all start out kind of antagonistic

616
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: because at first, like Harley and Renee have like the

617
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: like criminal versus cop dynamics, so they're like kind of

618
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: natural enemies. We've got Black Canary being super annoyed by

619
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: Harley all the time. You've got like Harley kind of

620
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: joining forces with Cassandra and like saving her at first,

621
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: but then like being willing to sell her out to

622
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: save her own skin, but then like feeling really bad

623
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: and guilty about that and apologizing and eventually like getting forgiveness,

624
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: and then like when they converge at the end and

625
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: they're like, well, all these people are probably gonna kill us,

626
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: and we have a better chance if we band together

627
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: and like fight as a group, and everyone's just like, well,

628
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: I guess okay, fine, then yeah. I I mean I

629
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of that stuff is great. I think

630
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: probably if I had to boil down my one gripe

631
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: with this film, which is like not to take away

632
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: from any of these individual performances. But I do think

633
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: that it feels like a little bit of a disservice

634
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: to trying to do a standalone Harley Quinn movie, to try,

635
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: like instantly try to make it a girl gang movie,

636
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: just because I don't think they have enough time. And

637
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: I think that some characters, I think get really kind

638
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: of thrown by the wayside. Like I think that you

639
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: could lift out the entire Huntress story from this film

640
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: and not really lose anything. She doesn't know anybody in

641
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: the story until the end, and she's pursuing a different

642
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: villain than everyone else. Yeah, And I think like kind

643
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: of similarly you could. It would be less clean, but

644
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: you could also take out a Black Canary part entirely

645
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: and then just have more Like I think you have

646
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: a really great movie between Cassandra Harley and Renee, Like

647
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: you've got the cop who's looking for the villain, trying

648
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: to reform herself villain, and the girl she has to

649
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: take under her wing. Like that's like a that's like

650
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: a fun little movie. Um, and you have much more

651
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: time with all those characters. You would get more time

652
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: for Renee and like really build out you know her

653
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: stuff that's just gestured out about her conditions in in

654
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: at her workplace and like her history and that she's

655
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, it's very rare we get

656
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: to see a kind of grizzled, not so virtuous cop

657
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: that's a woman, and I wish we kind of have

658
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: more time with that because and also I just love

659
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: Rosie Perez, So I just wanted more of that as

660
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: a kind of foil to Harley because they kind of

661
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of crossover, Like there's a lot that

662
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: they have in common. Yeah, that's like my biggest like blanket,

663
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: like what I would change about this film because I

664
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: just I was so happy to get a chance to

665
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: spend time with this character and then it's like, oh,

666
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: but we have to like build a squad. Then it

667
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: just feels really busy in the second half. Yeah, I

668
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: see that. I still I don't mind that they're there though,

669
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: like the Huntress and the Black Canary character, Um well,

670
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: it does it might like take away real estate that

671
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: could be used to like further develop some of the

672
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: other characters. I'm just like, but they're so fun to

673
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: look at when they're fighting and stuff. I think. I

674
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't mean this as I mean, this is just

675
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: something that I've been thinking about over the last couple

676
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: of days of just like prepping for this episode. I

677
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: feel like because now there have been I think this

678
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: is the third whatever in the past five years, female

679
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: driven superhero movie, and there's always like a bunch of

680
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: to do about like, will women succeed at the box office? Well,

681
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: they finally proved that they deserve to be blah blah blah,

682
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: And this was one of those movies. This is the

683
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: only of those three movies that did not so ex

684
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: expectations that I mean, it's just it. It's frustrating because, um,

685
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: this movie didn't do badly. It just didn't make a

686
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: billion dollars, and so I think a lot of people

687
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: regarded it as a failure and most likely a setback

688
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: for further um female driven superhero movies, which is equally frustrating. Um,

689
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: but I do I I just watching the setup of

690
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: this movie, I feel like there is a possibility that whatever,

691
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: ten twenty years from now, you can sort of look

692
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: at the way this movie is and it's kind of ore.

693
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: This year's or this era is like girl power formula

694
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: is very much at play in this movie, and I

695
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: like it for the most part, but I do feel

696
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: like there's like I wish that there was a little

697
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: more freedom to do. I mean, like, this movie came

698
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: out a few months after Joker came out, a movie

699
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: that I did not like, but a movie where clearly

700
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: the people the creatively were given free rein to do

701
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: whatever the funk they wanted. Um. And in this I

702
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: feel like you see a few things that when women

703
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: are appearing on screen together right now, you kind of

704
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: see a lot where they all band together at the end,

705
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: even though they don't all know each other, and like

706
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: they all band together kind of just because that's what

707
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: women are supposed to the all women, and they realize

708
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: they have this in common, right, right, right, and so

709
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: those like it's I really like this movie. And I

710
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: also was trying to like keep reminding myself, it's a

711
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: fucking cartoon, Jamie, Like everyone bands together at the end

712
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: of the cartoon. But because there were all these like

713
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: expectations put on on top of it, and maybe having

714
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: like less main characters would be able to contextualize this.

715
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: But I do kind of get like a little like

716
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: annoyed when it's like, oh, well, of course they're all

717
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: going to fight together. They're all women, and all women

718
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: are friends with all women, and that's how women work.

719
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: Enjoy the fight, and I do enjoy the fight, but

720
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: there are moments like that that sometimes kind of bug me. Yeah,

721
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: I think the strongest stuff and it has nothing to

722
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: do with like I'm I'm gonna do this even though

723
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm a woman, And it's all like about somebody trying

724
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: to reform themselves from being a ship head, which is

725
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: a universal experience that many people can relate to whether

726
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: they are what, no matter what gender they are. Um,

727
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: and so I think that's where like, I think you

728
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: have a really clean especially for a cartoon, which I

729
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: feel like should be broad and should be like easily

730
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: painted in in in in very bold strokes. Like I

731
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: think that you have a very clean movie if it's

732
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: just about that, if you have a bit to be

733
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: between Harley and Renee, and yeah, I think then. But

734
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: but when it becomes a thing of like getting over

735
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: a breakup and finding yourself through girlfriends, and that's like

736
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: another thing on top of that, which is like I

737
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: don't in this one. I just don't feel like it's

738
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: set up as much as the other half, which is

739
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: just like maybe this guy was a bad influence on

740
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: me and I could be like a better person without him.

741
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, yes, it's all cartoon. I feel

742
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: like like it's just like you can't you can't take

743
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: it too and and that's that's the fun of the

744
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: fight scenes too. I think like it's just that it

745
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it's taking itself that seriously while at

746
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: the same time doing really really good fight scenes. So

747
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: that's like a virtuo al on its own. But yeah,

748
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yes, the motivation for all

749
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: of them to band together at the end is perhaps

750
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: flimsy at best for each character. Like you literally have

751
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: like Huntress being like sure, you know, like I guess

752
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything else tonight. Yeah, I mean they

753
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: kind of wink at it. Yeah, So I guess narratively,

754
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: there could be stronger motivation for all of these characters

755
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: to have a reason to band together, and if we

756
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: maybe knew a little bit more about them, we would

757
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: understand them wanting to come together to fight together better.

758
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I don't know, I'm

759
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: just like, oh, this is like the I think this

760
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: is the first ever all female superhero ensemble movie, because

761
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: like the other superhero ensembles have been you know, your Avengers,

762
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: your Guardians with the Galaxies, your Justice Leagues like your

763
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: X Men's and things that, and there are reasons for

764
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: banding together are always fairly flimsy as well. Often sure,

765
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: and you know those are movies where men largely outnumber women.

766
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: So for this to be like a all female ensemble

767
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: superhero movie, I don't know. I just I was like

768
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: very excited by that, and shorts a little flimsy why

769
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: they all band together and stuff. But I'm just like, oh,

770
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know, I don't know. I think I

771
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: maybe I will cut this movie a little too much

772
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: slack because I just enjoy watching it. But no, it's fun.

773
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like this is the thing I'm talking about

774
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: the top of the show. Like I love like the

775
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: genres called magical girl, like the anime about like girl

776
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: gangs of superheroes or whatever who all do transformation sequences

777
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: and have powers and stuff like that, which is always

778
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: like that's my comic book ship like that I kind

779
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: of uncritically I'm just into and no too way too

780
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: much about um yeah, and that's like never it's not

781
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: that it's that much more like well defined why these

782
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: people end up working together in that genre. It's just like, well,

783
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: I guess we all have powers and we have to

784
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: do stuff together. I guess at the end of the day,

785
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: it would work if I felt like I knew all

786
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: those characters better, Like then it's fine, like you can

787
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: you can introduce your central character and then build a

788
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: squat around them. And I feel like that stuff was

789
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: done with less care than the Harley stuff. And like

790
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: you're saying, Emily, it's like they all are like ship heads,

791
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: which is part of what I like about them, Like

792
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: we've all seen a scene where they're being assholes, and

793
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: so for them to just like drop that, I don't Yeah,

794
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: it felt like two different things were happening at once,

795
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: like that scene has less to do with their characterization

796
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: than the fact that this scene hasn't existed before on

797
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: this scale, which is fine. I mean both both can't exist,

798
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: but it just it feels like a very round about

799
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: limitation where it's just I don't know, if that room

800
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: were full of guys, I don't think that there would

801
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: be that pressure to do that, you know, right, yeah,

802
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: or feel like you have to stock it that heavily,

803
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: like like Joker is a pretty sparse film character wise,

804
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: like there's not that many people on. It's like there

805
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: there's confidence that Joker on his own is enough for

806
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: a movie. I think that's the thing where it just

807
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: felt a little bit like guilding a lily here and

808
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: it's like, no, you got a great you got a

809
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: great lead, You've got a great actress playing her, You've

810
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: got a really fun kinetic director working on it. Like

811
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: just be confident in these elements, like you got it.

812
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: It's it's ready to be a fun film that just

813
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: had a little too much in the salad. I think,

814
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: and if if the superhero genre were a little more

815
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: willing to have female standalone movies, this movie could be

816
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: three movies, three good movies. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that's the

817
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: thing is like, yeah, that's that's like the other like

818
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: in Meta or like Inside Baseball thing where it's just

819
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: like you get the feeling that they're doing this because

820
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: like they're not sure that they're going to get the

821
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: second Harley Quinn movie, where you could actually just have

822
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: that be the Birds of Prey movie, like tease it

823
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: at the end of Harley Quinn and then be like, oh,

824
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: and she's going to have this whole squad. You can't

825
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: wait to meet them. It's going to be so much

826
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: fun now that we've met this person. And I don't know, yeah,

827
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: which would be great. I mean I hope they get

828
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: another one. But you know, we'll see how well this does.

829
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: Like how many people turn to this in in quarantine times.

830
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people will, but I

831
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: hope so it's it put me in a great mood

832
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: and maybe yeah, I the same. I was so stoked

833
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: to watch it and like eight Boston watched Harley Harley

834
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: Quinn and I've been eating so many like egg and

835
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: cheese on toasts, like sandwiches since watching this movie. She

836
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: have bacon on that she does I don't have any bacon.

837
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: She I like that we see them. I mean, this

838
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: is like another granular thing that we talked about all

839
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 1: the time. But like, women eat in this movie. It's scene,

840
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: it's known, it's even a plot point that women eat.

841
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: She just wants that sandwich just like so satisfying. I

842
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: love it. And they're eating like tacos and burritos at

843
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: the end, like yeah, so they look like they still

844
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: have to go to the gym fives a week. Yes,

845
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: it's a movie, but I always appreciate that in a movie,

846
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: like an action movie, where people are doing a lot

847
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: of like essentially cardiol they need protein. Um, we got

848
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: to take another quick break, but we'll come right back.

849
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: And we're back and speaking of cardio and going to

850
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: the gym, and I feel that I could feel this.

851
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the fight scenes. Um, So

852
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion has been had about one particular

853
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: small moment in one of the scenes when Harley Quinn

854
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: gives a hair tie to Black Canary. Is just like, Oh,

855
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: I see that you're struggling because your long hair is

856
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: flying all around while you're kicking ass. Would you like

857
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: a hair tie? And Black Canaries like yep, thank you,

858
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: And like this was such a real moment for so

859
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: many people because never before has this really happened in

860
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: a movie where like women are participating in the action

861
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: scenes in most cases, like their hair is just like

862
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: flying around, like when Wonder Woman's walking through World War

863
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: One and she's just flying around, yes perfectly, not just

864
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: flying into her mouth like it was. Yeah, So, um,

865
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: I I to appreciate that a lot of people. There's

866
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: already again a lot of discussion about this tiny moment,

867
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: but um, I was like, oh my gosh. And I

868
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: watched an interview with the screenwriter and she explained like

869
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: the origins of that where her sister, She and her

870
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: sister would yeah, just like watch movies together and see

871
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: that like women would never pull up their hair for

872
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: any reason. And she's like, yeah, anytime I like eat

873
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: a meal, I pull up my hair so that my

874
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: hair doesn't get in my food. Or if I have

875
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: to like move around, I pull up my hair. And

876
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that's what usually happens. So I just

877
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: appreciated that. No, it's great. And the action scenes, I

878
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: mean the action scenes in this movie are They're long,

879
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: They're not like the few quick like I think that

880
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: there's like three extended action sequences, like one is hardly

881
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: by herself and then there's the big climactic fight at

882
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: the end, but we get to see her fight a lot,

883
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: and she feels well and she fights. It's like I

884
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: feel like a good balance of action movie fighting and

885
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: like cartoony fighting. Well, it's like very martial arts movie

886
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: and it's like people get hurt too, which is why

887
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: you want to watch it, Like it's not like these

888
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: Marvel movies where you're just like, nobody's going to get hurt.

889
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: These people can't even get bruised, like like bones are

890
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: broken and stuff in this and you kind of and

891
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: you know that and it feels I'm sure that a

892
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: lot of it is augmented by effects and stuff like that,

893
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel overly done over. So you do

894
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: feel like you're watching people doing stunts and coming in

895
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: contact with each other's bodies. So you just want to

896
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: watch it for that, which is like I always like

897
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: check my phone if I'm watching a Marvel movie at

898
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: home and it goes to the action sequence, because it's like,

899
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: what is there to watch? There's nothing to watch here. Um,

900
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: I know a lot of money and time goes to that,

901
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: and I um, you know, support all the people who

902
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: work in VFX, but yeah, those sequences are so disposable

903
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: and almost every single one of those movies and this

904
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: did not feel like that. It was great. I mean

905
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: just I mean, even starting with Harley Quinn breaking that

906
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: guy's leg at the beginning, you're just like, oh, it's

907
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: it's it's exciting, and it's like that like sets the

908
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: tone for the way that violence is in the movie

909
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 1: in a way that like, I don't know, I love

910
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: that leg because then it's like, not only does she

911
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: break is like, but then he's like, you broke my

912
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: fucking leg. Like it's just like they like, hang on it. Yeah, yeah,

913
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not like he then hobbles off

914
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: or dies instantly. It's just like it's just a very

915
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: it's a good reaction. And she breaks his leg because

916
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: he calls her a dumb slut and she's like, oh really,

917
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: is that what you think? And then she breaks his

918
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: leg and then she's like, I have a PhD, bitch,

919
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I love how often she reminds everybody that

920
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: she has a PhD. It's so great. Which is a

921
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: good time for me to mention something that I don't

922
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: like to bring up. But I do have a master's

923
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: degree in screen rinning from Boston University. Yeah, you should

924
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: breaks someone's leg over it. I will next time anybody

925
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: questions your credentials leg breaking time. Yeah. I found that

926
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: very satisfied. Like that, just all of the fighting, I mean,

927
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: it just was like really good movie fighting the evidence room.

928
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: I have two favorite I love the evidence. Actually, I

929
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: like him all whatever. I don't know what I'm saying this,

930
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: but I do the evidence Room fight is great, if

931
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: only for the part where they shoot up the giant

932
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: bag of cocaine and then she suddenly gets cocaine superpower.

933
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: This is also something that would never happen in a

934
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: Marvel movie. And it's like it's like, sure, it's like

935
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: edged Lordy type shit or whatever, but it's also just

936
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: like funny. It's just it's just it feels like something

937
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: from like an eighties action movie, which tends to be

938
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: a lot more coke fueled anyway, both on screen and off.

939
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: So do we know why Black Canary is a really

940
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: good fighter? That was like, this is again of me

941
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: questioning a cartoon, but I think I could identify why

942
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: every woman in the Birds of Prey averse was a

943
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: good fighter, except for Black Canary, who I truly don't

944
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: understand why she is. I guess she just she like

945
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: grew up in a rough neighborhood. That's like kind of right.

946
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's like I guess that that's like cartoon.

947
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. She was the one

948
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: character that I wish it you just got more with

949
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: Black Canary in in general, because I like, I mean, Emily,

950
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: you were referencing this earlier that like I'm really I'm

951
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: glad she's there, and you feel like there's a lot

952
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: of good character stuff in there, but you don't really

953
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: get to find out that much about her. I don't

954
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: know why she's a good fighter. I don't know why

955
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: she like, I don't exactly know why she is just

956
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: accepting this new job lying down, other than that she's

957
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: scared of him, or why she's working for him in

958
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: the first place, right, Yeah, I don't know. I mean,

959
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: when Rosie Prez comes to her with like, hey, I

960
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: had an arrangement with the other driver, and she's like,

961
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're working for this really awful guy.

962
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: She like defends Roman and says like, well, he took

963
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: me off the streets and protects me and stuff like that.

964
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: But I think like she is probably beholden to him

965
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: much more than she would like to be. He like

966
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: treats her like property, He treats her like his little pet.

967
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: It's like, really how he views her as very creepy.

968
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: I just wish I knew what it was like. I wish,

969
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: and I think that that also speaks to like my

970
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm know, it's a cartoon, you guys.

971
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: I just like some of my some of the vagueness

972
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: of Black Masks villainy. I feel like maybe that's the

973
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: cast off problem of that too, of like he's just

974
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: a mean guy. He just is nice to nobody. I mean,

975
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: And I think the one Black Mask moment that I

976
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: didn't I felt like I didn't need. I didn't mind

977
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: the face peeling. But what I didn't I don't think

978
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: that I was like totally necessary. Was that scene where

979
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: he makes a woman take her clothes off at the

980
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: club and like is really leering at her in this

981
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: way that I didn't feel it was really necessary. I

982
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: feel like it was like kind of hitting you over

983
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: the head with the fact that's like he's misogynist, and

984
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we know, like we know, why do

985
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: we need to see this scene of him doing that?

986
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: And it reminded me of an equally uncomfortable and useless

987
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: scene in Bombshell that I didn't well. Okay, so director

988
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: Cathy Anne fought for this scene to stay in the

989
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: movie because there are cuts of it where they did

990
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: take that scene out, but she fought for it to

991
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: be there because and I have a quote here from her,

992
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: she says, quote, I think it's a huge turning point

993
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: for Roman, it's a huge turning point for Canary. In

994
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: the way that we shot it was hopefully not about

995
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: the sexual violence upon the woman. It was more about

996
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: Roman what he's capable of, and Canary seeing him for

997
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: who he really is for the first time now she

998
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: can fully cut herself off from him. And I thought

999
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: it was a really important scene, so we fought for it.

1000
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: End quote. And in that scene you do see Canary

1001
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: realizing just how awful he is, and you can like

1002
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: see the gears working in her mind of like, oh

1003
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: my god, I have to get out of this situation.

1004
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: I need to distance myself from this scary, scary man.

1005
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: But I see what you mean. It's her, it's her movie.

1006
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: I mean I think that the scene is I think

1007
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: that the scene is just technically well done. Is as

1008
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: far as like making you feel uncomfortable, which I think

1009
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: you should. And I think she's right, like it's not

1010
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: about the sexualization of the woman. It's about like what

1011
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: it feels like to be in the presence of this

1012
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: like terrible dude. Yes, it's been very underlined at that point.

1013
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: I do think the scene makes more sense in a

1014
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: movie where you have more time to track Black Canary

1015
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: and her relationship to Roman and get that there's something

1016
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: that needs to be accomplished there where she is on

1017
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: the fence about like, well he's a bad guy, but

1018
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: he pays me or whatever, like you know that she's

1019
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: sort of panking excuses for him, and this is the

1020
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: moment where she realizes she can't make excuses for him,

1021
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: which it sounds like that's what Cathy Anne was trying

1022
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: to do with it. I think that there's just not

1023
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: enough runway for that at this point. But I do

1024
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: think like you could keep the scene exactly the same

1025
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: if you built up to it more, and I think

1026
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: it would be really effective. The way the way it

1027
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: appears in the movie didn't feel earned to me, and

1028
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I'm also just I mean

1029
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: we've talked about this in past episode too. I'm just

1030
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: generally like I think sensitive and like annoyed by like

1031
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: do we really need a scene where another woman is

1032
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: like humiliated in order to better characterize uh male villain.

1033
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: I just like, I don't think it's always I don't

1034
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: know that it's small gripe, but I did that that

1035
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: didn't work for me in this one. Sure I wanted

1036
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: to go back to, like the fighting scenes a little

1037
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: bit more, to sing some more praises more or less

1038
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: um much like Canary sings anyway. Okay, for reasons we

1039
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: don't know, can break glass with her voice but then

1040
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: passes out. Yeah, I feel like that needed to also

1041
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: be set up better. Yeah, I don't know anyway that

1042
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: she has to have the fighting skills, because then otherwise

1043
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: she would have one move per fight, like oh and

1044
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm done um um anyway. So, but things I did

1045
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: like was that we see women using real weapons and

1046
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 1: not kitchen appliances. We talk all the time about how

1047
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: women are allowed to fight in movies, like they're usually

1048
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: using frying pans and stuff. But we see crossbows, we

1049
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: see guns, we see a mallet um baseball bat, things

1050
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: like that. We've also talked in various episodes about like

1051
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: the tendency from movies to not allow men and women

1052
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: to fight each other. It's usually like the one woman

1053
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: in the good guy gang is made to fight the

1054
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: one woman in the bad guy gang, and they almost

1055
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: like launched her out of the bad guy gang to

1056
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, we know you've only seen this character

1057
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: twice before, but here's why we so that she can

1058
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: fight though one of the lady exactly. Um, And like,

1059
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe this is the idea of like

1060
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: we don't want to show a man being violent toward

1061
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: a woman, or probably more likely it's the idea that

1062
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: we don't see women as being equal, like an equal

1063
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: fighting opponent to a quote stronger man, so she can

1064
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: fight the woman who is on her level. Like I

1065
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: think that's what the filmmakers who have made like fight

1066
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: scenes like this, that's probably what they're thinking. Which I

1067
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: am way more insulted by the thing where you can't

1068
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: show or like you don't want to see a man

1069
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: in a fight with the woman, Like not so much

1070
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: about her ability to win the fight, but just the

1071
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: idea that like we're gonna deny that there is ever

1072
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: violence done against women by men, like it just doesn't happen,

1073
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: so you can't see it. And I think that so

1074
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: much of this movie is about like, no, these men

1075
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: are violent towards women all the time. That's why this

1076
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: world sucks that she lives in Like it's very frank

1077
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: in its cartoony way about that, which I appreciate. Yeah,

1078
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: those moments are more I mean those moments where like

1079
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: Black Mask like is physically violent towards Harley were more

1080
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: are effective for me than the humiliation of a random

1081
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: woman Like that is like it's personal. It's like you're like, oh,

1082
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: even if I enjoyed the woo, I fuck this guy,

1083
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: what if he said woo interface though, like I don't

1084
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: know how if um, but yeah, I mean I just

1085
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: I like that this movie there's a big departure from

1086
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: that idea and that you see women fighting men pretty

1087
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: much constantly and men not questioning themselves before like being

1088
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: violent towards a woman, which is like, you know, just reflect.

1089
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: I also enjoyed that women are never saved by a

1090
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: man in this movie. If they are saved by someone,

1091
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: like that scene where Black Canary saves Harley Quinn from

1092
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: being assaulted by that guy after a long night of drinking,

1093
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: women are saving each other or just like sending off

1094
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: their own attackers by themselves, And I like that They're

1095
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: like there with Harley's character and part of why, like

1096
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: Harley is I think such like a fun character to

1097
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: get her almost her own movie. I guess is that

1098
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: like she is an asshole and like she betrays other

1099
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: people in the story and then has to like dial

1100
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: back and be like oh wait no, Like I really

1101
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: like you would never get that with any marvel Like

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01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: they're just too morally superior to to ever make a

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01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: mistake and ever like wrong someone. And I like that

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01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: there are like conflicts between It works for me best

1105
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: with Cassandra Harley and Renee, but like you know, there's

1106
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: conflicts between the women for like the better part of

1107
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: the story, and they make sense and you get to

1108
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: see them kind of like have to resolve it. Um, yeah,

1109
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: you don't get that a lot. And going back to

1110
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: the thing about them never being saved by a man,

1111
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean they don't introduce a single good man in

1112
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: this movie. There's nobody like there who would do it,

1113
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: which is sort of I think that's one thing that

1114
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: feels one of the things that you kind of aren't

1115
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: even thinking about it first until maybe like you start

1116
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: to get into the climactic fight scenes where you're just like, oh, yeah,

1117
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 1: we've gotten this whole time, and there's no male hero,

1118
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: which is kind of like just because you're watching this

1119
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: sort of a movie, it feels like a little bit

1120
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: of a vacuum. But then you're like, no, this is fine,

1121
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: it works great and not even really like a guy

1122
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: that gets it, which I feel like it's like character

1123
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: in the back of and like yeah, exactly, like there's

1124
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: no there's no male feminist T shirt guy character. Um,

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01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: which is great. There's an I mean there's more than

1126
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: enough female characters to fill that role. Yeah. A couple

1127
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: last things about things that they relate to fighting. Um,

1128
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: I like that we do not see Cassandra Caine fight

1129
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: in the big sequence at the end because she's like

1130
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: a child and I think a very lazy trophy choice

1131
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: that we've seen before is like the precocious twelve year

1132
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: old who's really smart and good at everything, but she

1133
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: still gets like a kill in at the end, and

1134
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: like she's not totally excluded from the action too. It

1135
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: just like I was happy about that is my least

1136
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: favorite trope like currently I think is the young fighting

1137
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: machine little girl like going back to the professional and

1138
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 1: ship Like I hate it, um, I find it really

1139
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: gross and it's like I feel like that I don't

1140
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: know that like Fox with your kid brain too, and

1141
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: you see stuff like that when you're a kid, you're like, oh,

1142
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: I should fight adults, Like no, please, don't fight adults. Yeah, yeah,

1143
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: it's this way too. Like I don't know, I I

1144
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: found like Logan to be the most egregious one recently,

1145
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: even though like I think that that that kid is cool,

1146
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: Like the actress who plays here and everything is cool

1147
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: and does a good job. But it's just like, you

1148
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: can't have a like a woman in this story, So

1149
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: you're going to have like a little girl who doesn't

1150
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: talk but like just does egregious violence on people. It

1151
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: just feels so weird and stunted and strange, Like yeah,

1152
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: that it keeps happening. It's so annoying. Is it the

1153
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: movie kick Ass where there's like a little girl to

1154
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: who's like just like tearing people apart. It's srets. It

1155
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: was like her entree into showbiz. Speaking of things, I'm exhausted, um,

1156
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: but I totally agree with you about Cassandra, and I

1157
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: like that that the story doesn't just sideline her entirely.

1158
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: She gets this like big win at the end of

1159
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: the fight sequence, and it's been nicely set up to

1160
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: where like she uses her pickpocket skills to like plant

1161
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: the thing on him and then pulls out the pin

1162
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: and of the grenade. And then the scene where he

1163
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: like blows into like a bazilion different bits as he

1164
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: like falling into the water, I was like, he turns

1165
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: into human confetti. Yeah, oh wow, what a motif confetti.

1166
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: That chase is also so fun. That leads up to

1167
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: that with her very very fund There also the the

1168
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: outfits in this movie. I thought like they it would

1169
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: it would have been so easy to funk up the

1170
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: costuming of this movie. But it's still like it still

1171
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: feels like it's taking place in the Harley Quinn world.

1172
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: But it isn't like exploitative. It's like everyone's outfit is

1173
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: very well thought out. It's not I don't know, it

1174
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: would have been so easy to suck it up, and

1175
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: they didn't. I mean her like caution tape, like fringe

1176
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: coat that she wears towards the beginning. It's so hot topic.

1177
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: It's literally, this whole movie is hot topic merch base.

1178
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: And I mean that as a compliment, but this whole

1179
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: movie is hot ta you know. This is this is

1180
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: one movie that I know will not get a costuming nomination,

1181
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: but should because every outfit that she wears it's just

1182
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: like I wanted Black Canaries outfits too. Like everyone, it's

1183
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: so good. Yeah. The last thing I want to say

1184
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: about the like the last fighting related thing I want

1185
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: to say is at the end of the movie, when

1186
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: they're like having their like morning Margarita's, they're like all

1187
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: bummed up. You see them with like scrapes and injuries,

1188
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: and I feel like women, even in action movies, are

1189
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: not allowed to sustain injuries and like have their perfect

1190
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: flawless skin be all messed up, And I like, you

1191
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: see them with like all these scrapes unless it's like

1192
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: motivation for somebody to avenge them, right, unless she's like fridged,

1193
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: like you get a cut on your face, it's like

1194
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: who did this to you? Like I must go murder

1195
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: totally right. But again, movie doesn't do anything like that. Yeah,

1196
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: all that is like handled super well. Another thing that

1197
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: I liked of the way this movie goes with it

1198
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: um is the Harley breakup, where again I think like

1199
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: a lesser movie would have really let that take over

1200
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: the movie, and I let it take over her character.

1201
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's handled in a really like

1202
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: it's not ignored, which and and you see she's getting

1203
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: out of this like the most toxic relationship of all time,

1204
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: literally literally. I like that she doesn't handle it well.

1205
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: That felt like a nod to reality. Getting out of

1206
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: a toxic relationship is fucking horrible. And I like that

1207
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: she acts out, you know, like she gets a shitty haircut,

1208
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: she gets a pet, she does like all the things

1209
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: that you do when you're getting out of a and

1210
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: and then you do this big cathary like I just

1211
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: I liked that she went through that process that felt

1212
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: like closer to reality than a lot of things that

1213
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: happened in the movie. And then you kind of get

1214
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,959
Speaker 1: to just have her have her story and the folk

1215
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: because it's not like I need to get over this guy,

1216
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: which a lesser movie could have done. And I think that, like, honestly,

1217
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: if you had most male screenwriters on this story, where

1218
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: they would have lingered too long. But I like that

1219
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: it's I like how it's handled, and I like how

1220
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: you're kind of like okay, and we're moving on yea,

1221
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: and all before the opening credits, like or the title

1222
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: card at least, like the plant blows up, and then

1223
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: you have the Birds of Prey title card, and you've

1224
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: basically run through the whole breakup getting over I mean,

1225
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: like obviously, like she has to figure out a purpose

1226
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: in life and everything, like that's what the rest of

1227
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: it is about. But it isn't about her pining after

1228
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: him or you know, feeling weird about it or something

1229
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: like She's never like looking back on the breakup or anything, right,

1230
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: And I like that she's not looking back, like and

1231
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: I like that the movie doesn't look back at her

1232
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: cannon too hard because it's like her cannon is sexist.

1233
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: It's like she couldn't like this woman with a PhD,

1234
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: like you know, just met a guy and and abandoned

1235
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: her entire life. Like it's I like that they just

1236
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: take the essence of who this character is and then

1237
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: they just like run with it in a completely different direction.

1238
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: I will say, though, I mean women with PhDs can

1239
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: can ruin their lives over men too, Like I mean,

1240
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't have a PhD. I'm not speaking from experience,

1241
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: but it is not the domain of non PhD holding women. Well,

1242
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean that kind of brings me to another point

1243
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: of of something I really like about this movie is

1244
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: women being allowed to be anti heroes and like, so

1245
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: it's like an R rated movie. We see pretty graphic violence.

1246
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:47,480
Speaker 1: We see women doing things that you know, polite society

1247
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: would consider to be unladylike. But they are all these

1248
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: like women who were rough around the edges. They partake

1249
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: in very morally questionable activities, and I really enjoy seeing

1250
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: that because so often women are held to this standard

1251
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: of like you have to be perfect, you can't misbehave, like,

1252
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: you can't be unladylike. But we see women swearing, stealing, fighting,

1253
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: killing people, drinking, like the scene where Harlequin sort of

1254
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: does cocaine, like all this stuff. I really and I'm

1255
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily condoning these activities in real life. Oh that's

1256
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: like you are do cocaine, actually, please, everyone go out

1257
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: and pickpocket and do cocaine and break people's legs, please

1258
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: and thank you. You should chop left and smoke weeds

1259
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: like it's actually like politically that's actually kind of You

1260
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: should not pay back your student loans and you should

1261
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: not pay your medical bills. I also love that one

1262
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 1: offline where Harley is like, and that's why you don't

1263
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: pay a federal there's so many goods, Like I like

1264
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: that she's like low key and anarchist, like, but she

1265
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: did go out to vote for Bernie, so you know

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Speaker 1: feeling I love the image of her like standing in

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01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: line at the bulls, Like I just want to see that. Yeah. Also,

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01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: like where so this is actually like they're always able

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01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: to kind of skirt around it a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: like where is Gotham? And then in the United States

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01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: of America if she voted in a primary for Bernie true?

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01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, they they canonically put Gotham in America

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01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: within the United States and the last five years. Yeah,

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01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: well that's another thing that I like about. And this

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01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: is the only other comparison I will I will make

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01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: of this movie to the only other two recent female

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01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: superhero movies. But I feel like strength of this movie

1278
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: is um as opposed to Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman,

1279
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: Harley Quinn lives in this world. She understands it. She

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: does not need someone to hold her hand and be

1281
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: like this is this, and this is this and this

1282
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: is this, which, to varying extents, happens in Wonder Woman

1283
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: and Captain Marvel, where Captain Marvel is out of time,

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm wonder Woman is out of place and they have

1285
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: to be guided through this world, whereas like this is

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01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: Harley's term, like she doesn't need to be told what

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01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: anything is. Yeah, yeah, I really appreciate that. Like I think,

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01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, there are things to like about Wonder Woman,

1289
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: a couple of things, and I do think that there

1290
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: is space for one of these sorts of movies where

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01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: it is just about like a radical optimist like winning Out,

1292
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: which is basically what that movie is. But I also

1293
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: appreciate that this movie is basically the inverse of that,

1294
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: or it's just like what if a piece of ship

1295
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: could be a superhero instead of like what if the

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01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: purest person in the world could be because like that's

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01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: also that's not just a woman thing, and in superhero

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: movies that's like all like I don't even know. I

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01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: can't think of another superhero male or female who like

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01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: gets drunk a hand cock, Oh handcock good pull? I

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Speaker 1: stand corrected, Yeah, no I have. I don't know if

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01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: I actually saw Incock, but he isn't. The whole idea

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01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: with him is like he's he's like not a good guy,

1304
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: but he's also a superhero. Yeah, he's like down on

1305
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,440
Speaker 1: his luck or something like he's like a failed superhero,

1306
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: but he still has his powers. So yeah, that's true. Okay, Well,

1307
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: yeah that's Hancock eraser Emily Well, I was going to

1308
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: say that the Suicide Squad, they surely some of those

1309
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, bad characters must get up to some sort

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01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: of morally questionable activities. Like, yeah, they're forced into a

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01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: situation where they all have to be good guys, like

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01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: fighting for a greater cause, but they're all deep down

1313
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: bad guys. You mean like some kind of suicide squad.

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01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: That's all that I know about Suicide Squad that Will

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01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: Smith says, you mean like some kind of suicide squad. Indeed,

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01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: says the name of the movie in a very corny

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: on the nose line of dialogue in the movie. Correct.

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01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh and the one other, the one I think my

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01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: last that I liked plot wise as I I as

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 1: as much as I was kind of like I really

1321
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: at the team up scene right before the amazing fight sequence.

1322
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: I like that they don't automatically all remain best friends

1323
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: after that. They have that scene where they like give

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01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: each other their due and then you see them split

1325
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: off in a way that feels more logical based on

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01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: what we know about the characters, Like it makes sense

1327
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: that Cassandra is going to stay with Harley and that

1328
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: they're going to be a team. And it also makes

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: a lot of sense that Harley doesn't want to be

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01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: a part of the Birds of Prey and that she

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01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: thinks it's kind of what she's like those fucking dorky

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01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: do gooders. I like that, Yeah, how it feels on brand. Yeah,

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01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: but there's you know, mutual respect and ship like that.

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01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: Like I thought that was like a cool They don't

1335
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,799
Speaker 1: have to all move into a loft together or something

1336
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: exactly artisticcom Um, I have a list of just a

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,520
Speaker 1: few kind of random things that I really enjoyed. Um

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: the soundtrack. I love the soundtrack, and I think mostly,

1339
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: if not all female artists on the soundtrack. The pretty

1340
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: diverse cast in terms of of the five main female characters,

1341
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: three of them are women of color. It's a woman

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01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: of color who directed this movie, Kathy Anne. The writer

1343
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: of the movie is a woman named Christina Hodson. She

1344
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: is mixed. So we have, you know, the voices of

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01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: women bumblebee, yes, And I didn't know that at first,

1346
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: and then I found out she had also written Bumblebee,

1347
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's why I didn't hate Bumblebee.

1348
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: Like that's why I thought it was sort of because

1349
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: I went in being like, oh, this is a Transformers movie.

1350
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna it's gonna be bad. But then I was like, oh,

1351
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I actually liked this, and I was like, oh,

1352
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,919
Speaker 1: that makes sense because like a good screenwriter's fun movies.

1353
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: I really like it when Harley Quinn's psychoanalyzes people and

1354
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: like uses her like psychiatrists back, just like those moments

1355
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: where you know she's using her degree. Baby um Ali

1356
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: Wong is in the movie. She's great love, a good comedian,

1357
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: and a bit part. I know. There is a moment

1358
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: in the movie where Roman is talking to Harley Quinn

1359
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: and he says, if you want mercy, shut that hole

1360
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of your face, which is not I

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01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: know the crew member on the Titanics like that will

1362
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: be one less on this boat if you don't shut that.

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01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: Cathy Fates is like, she said that to Cathy Bates.

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01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: I had that note as well. I've seen Titanic many

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01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 1: times and I did not make that pole. That's hilarious.

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01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: Anything that is even dialogue adjacent Titanic, we notice there's

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01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,839
Speaker 1: another Titanic similarity with UM, like the diamond being used

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01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: as a like quas i aguffin. Yeah, it's like when

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01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so when the map is in the

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01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: diamond and the diamonds and the kids her her because

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01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: the kid put the map and the diamond and put

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01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: the diamond, then the kid just imagine Billy Zane performing that.

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01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: That's very good. Someone should let Billy Zane be in

1374
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: a superhero movie again. I will say one an other

1375
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: like another just general thing that I like about this movie,

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01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: which might be like controversial, but I think that especially

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01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: during this last the last fight sequence especially, I kind

1378
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: of sense like, oh, this didn't have a very big

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01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: budget compared to most of these things. And it's true,

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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: like I think it was like it was under a hundred.

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01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: I was the Wonder Woman. Budget was considered low for

1382
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: a superhero movie and that was like one five I

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01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: want to say, So it is like they do low

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01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: ball these um, these first standalone female superhero movies. I

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01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: think like it in a very sexist way, like they

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01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: give them a lot less money than a similar film

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01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: featuring a male Superhero would, But I personally like the

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01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: embrace of being a lower budget film, like through like

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01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: all the action sequence stuff, like we were talking about

1390
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: being a much more kind of chop sucky martial arts

1391
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,440
Speaker 1: Jackie Chan esque kind of film just felt very appropriate

1392
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: for it. And I like that embrace of I don't

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01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: even I wouldn't even call it like an embrace of

1394
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: a limitation because I think it's just like figuring out

1395
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: what kind of movie can work at that level and

1396
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: not trying to stretch it, like really feeling at home

1397
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: at that budget level and recognizing like what is required

1398
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 1: by the story. And I actually like that a lot.

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01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: Like next time out, I hope that she gets more

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01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: money she being Kathy Anne if she comes back to

1401
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: direct it, and the character of Harley Quinn. But but

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01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: in general, I thought that's another thing that felt really

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01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: refreshing about it to me. I don't know, yeah for sure.

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01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts? I well, now now

1405
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: because I didn't realize that Cassandra Kane was going to

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01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: be Bad Girl, but like, I really hope that that

1407
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: happens now. I kind of like that was after I

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01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: read the canon. I'm like, I hope that this canon

1409
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: becomes relevant in future, right we found out who maybe

1410
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: her birth parents were, or I don't know if I mean,

1411
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: if they're doing like a like a marvel esque like

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01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: phase one, phase two or whatever like and maybe ten

1413
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: years down the road, we we'll see. I guess we'll

1414
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 1: see if a female lead franchise will ever be allowed

1415
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: multiple phases. Yeah, true, I don't know. We have to

1416
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: have grumpy Asian back girl folk. Come on for the people.

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01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: I need it so badly, sign me up. Well. Kathy

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01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: Jan has already said in an interview that she does

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01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: want to direct a sequel. She wants to do it,

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01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,839
Speaker 1: and she wants to explore Harley's relationship with Poison Ivy

1421
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: in the next movie, So I guess that we would

1422
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: see her and Cassandra driving on to the next adventure,

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01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: which I wonder. I kind of wonder if there is

1424
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: a future for this franchise, and I hope there is, Like,

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01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: how will the Birds of Prey still be there? Will

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01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: they just get their own separate movie, which I feel

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01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: like is maybe a SMARTYR move. I don't know. Well,

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01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: I hope that we get to find If you look

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01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,919
Speaker 1: on IMDb at the time of this recording for Margot

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01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: Robbie's upcoming projects as an actor, who all she produced

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01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: the movie too, afgot Yes, she produced it. She's like

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01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: as far as like stars who are also producers. I

1433
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: think she's like doing a bang up job as a

1434
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: producer recently. Like she uses her power very well, I think, definitely.

1435
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: And this movie wouldn't have even happened if it weren't

1436
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: for her going to the studio and being like, I

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01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: want a Harley Quinn movie. I want it to be

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01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: R rated, and I want it to be like a

1439
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: girl group movie, like an ensemble female lead narrative. So

1440
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: like it was, she was like instrumental in this movie

1441
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: even existing, and then you know the writer was brought

1442
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: on and then Kathy Anne was hired, so like, it's

1443
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: all thanks to Margot Robbie that this movie even exists.

1444
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: But here's something that might be disappointing or it might

1445
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: not even be real. But at the time of this recording,

1446
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: if you go onto IMDb, in her like announced projects

1447
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: upcoming projects, there is an untitled Joker slash Harley Quinn project.

1448
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: So if they put her back together with Joker, you know,

1449
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 1: it's just rumored it might not be real or might

1450
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: this might just be like the Harley Quinn project that

1451
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: will be like a direct sequel to Birds of Prey.

1452
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: Hard to say, but if they do have it be

1453
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: like a weird like romantic story with Joker. I'm just like.

1454
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: But then there's also um Gotham City Sirens that is

1455
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: been announced where she's listed as Harley Quinn in that

1456
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: as well. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah. So there's

1457
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 1: like she's got two things where she's listed as Harley

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01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: Quinn that have just been announced. Of those two, I

1459
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: would much prefer Gotham City Sirens. Let's see who was

1460
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: attached to it. Mostly I am excited to see um

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01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie as Barbie, and that is something that I

1462
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: am genuinely thrilled about because Greti Growig is going to

1463
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: direct a Barbie movie. That's fine by me, all Right,

1464
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: everybody thing I didn't know, I don't well, you know,

1465
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: it could be something that's very easy to funk up

1466
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: as well. We'll see, um okay. Gotham City Sirens is

1467
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: listed as following three of gotham cities most notorious female

1468
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: criminals on one of their most dangerous missions yet. Star

1469
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie director James Gunn, writer oh Geneva Robertson D Warrett,

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01:22:55,080 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: who wrote Captain Marvel. Yeah, does anyone have anything else

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01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: they want to say about Birds of Prey? I don't

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01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: think so. I was. I was very happy to watch

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Speaker 1: it in Quarantine. Great great activity. Highly recommend it. It's

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Speaker 1: a great quarantine movie. Let's figure out if the movie

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Speaker 1: passes the well, first, the bird the bird old test.

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01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm bringing this bit back. As

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01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,520
Speaker 1: far as I can tell, it doesn't pass the bird test.

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01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: No birds. I'm hoping that our mentions are flooded and

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01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: there's a bird we forgot. And then if it pass

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01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean, what a miracle of being? What about the

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01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: egg and the sandwich that was a future bird that

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01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: never didn't get to be a bird? Okay, you know what,

1483
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 1: it passes. It's cut our loss as it passes because

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01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: life begins before conception in the case of an egg. Okay,

1485
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 1: we're pro life. I think the Pro life podcast it

1486
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: only passes the bird test if you're pro life, right,

1487
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: but like super pro life, like kind of cosmically pro life,

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01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: where every of them is a future, like purchasing a

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01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: billboard pro life. Oh my gosh, any who does it

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01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test? Yes, a lot of two times

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01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: over many different combinations of characters as well, which is

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01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: also kind of like for something that starts off as

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01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: a breakup movie, very like it's a cool trick to

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01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: pull that, Like really it stops being like, as we

1495
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: were saying, stops being about that pretty fast. It's about

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01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: her emancipation from it. So as far as our nipple

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01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: scale goes zero to five nipples based on its representation

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01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: of women, I would, honestly, maybe this is too generous,

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01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: but I would give this like a four point five

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01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 1: out of five. You get to see women who aren't perfect.

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01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a trope that gets used too

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01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,759
Speaker 1: much when people don't really know how to write female characters,

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01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: they just write them to be these perfect, flawless specimens. Um.

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01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: But you know, the characters we see in this movie,

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01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: they are flawed, like you know, real people are, which

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01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 1: makes them feel more realistic. Despite this movie being very cartoony,

1507
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 1: A few characters are identifiably queer, Harley Quinn and Renee

1508
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: Montoya and Ali Wong's character, but it's not the only

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01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,719
Speaker 1: thing we know about those characters, especially for Harley Quinn

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01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 1: and Renee. In fact, maybe we could stand to learn

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01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 1: more about their queer identities. But either way, to me,

1512
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: it felt like their queerness was pretty normalized by the

1513
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: narrative rather than you know, a big to do being

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01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: made about it. So I enjoyed that aspect of their

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01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: kind of backstory and character development. Um. Also, the fact

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01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: that you have a lot of diversity on screen and

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01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: behind the camera is great. I think that this movie

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01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: it came in with an agenda to like be a

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01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: feminist text, and I think it does a really good

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01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: job in subverting a lot of tropes and just letting

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01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: us see like cool, kick ass women be awesome and

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01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of and or kill a bunch

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01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: of really horrible men. So there's for me a lot

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Speaker 1: to love. So yeah, I'll give it four point five

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01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: out of five. And um, I'll kind of disperse that

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01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: evenly between the five main female characters, Harley Quinn, Cassandra Kine,

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01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: Black Canary renamed Montoya, and the Huntress. I'm gonna go

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01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 1: whenever I get into like fourth So you're just like,

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01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I can I guess, I guess

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01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it four point to five. Maybe four,

1531
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe four. It feels too I don't know. Okay,

1532
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: the point is that that's what they need for to

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01:26:56,120 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 1: update our Wikipedia page. But whatever. But but I I

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01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 1: I think that this movie, I mean, it is by far,

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01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: my I think, my favorite female driven superhero movie of

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01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: this new generation of them that I'm seeing. And I

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01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: think that, I mean, just for listeners, they're not including Catwoman,

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01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: and I know that I think that that is feminist

1539
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 1: text Catwoman. I mean, I really really liked this movie

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01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: a lot. Um there's so much to love about it.

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01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 1: My gripes are very specific and little. I do think

1542
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:37,879
Speaker 1: that there is just like there are too many characters

1543
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: to the point where we don't get to know characters

1544
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: that we should know. And I think that that very

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01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: likely has to do with the way that people, and

1546
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: by people, I mean people who fund movies regard uh,

1547
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, they just get insecure about just letting a

1548
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 1: woman lead a movie, because if she does get to

1549
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 1: lead a movie, she needs a man to hold her

1550
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: hand through the world. And if she doesn't need someone

1551
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: to hold her hand, then they just kind of like

1552
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: overloaded it with too many characters. This would have been

1553
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: three amazing movies. But it is one movie that I

1554
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: really like. Um yeah, I don't know, I I just

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01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: I think it's the best. I love I love Cassandra Kine.

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01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: I want to see more of her. I want to

1557
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: see more of her cast. I want to know more

1558
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: about her. Give her two broken arms next time, two casts?

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01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: How she break that arm? Uh? I like, I would

1560
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 1: love It's just like the cast is just like a

1561
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: fixture of her. It's never addressed, and she just always

1562
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 1: has a broken arm. Um. But yeah, I I like

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01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie. Is I just I like Margot Robbie. I

1564
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: like this take on Harley Quinn where it acknowledges her

1565
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: past but it doesn't define her biot, which is such

1566
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: such a common, frustrating mistake. So and and also yeah,

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01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: the fact that like women made this movie and women

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01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: made this movie happen is the best. So give it.

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01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: I give it a four point to five, and I'll

1570
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 1: give them all to Rosie Perez do with them. What

1571
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: she meant. Her whole backstory is that, like her former

1572
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: partner slash current captain at her precinct keeps stealing credit

1573
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: for like cases she solved, and then she's just like,

1574
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: fuck you, dude, and then she goes off and becomes

1575
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: a bird of prey. Yeah, she gets to quit her

1576
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: job because now Mary Elizabeth Winstead is just like bankrolling

1577
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: the operations and now she probably makes a six figure salary,

1578
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, Emily, what about you? Um, I know,

1579
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about that. I was having the

1580
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: same thought process about the four versus four and a half,

1581
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: because Ford does feel low, but for the same reason

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01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: that you said, Jamie, Like, I do think it eludes

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01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: getting a five just because of of its dizziness. I

1584
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: think it could do better justice to fewer characters. But yeah,

1585
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I think I think because of the origins of it,

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01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: I think it and the fact that it is so

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01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: been by women's perspectives, I'll go the four point to five.

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01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm copying, Yeah, which is which is great? Like that's

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01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't think that the other one,

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01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: the other female superhero movies that I've seen would come

1591
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: close to that, maybe like a three at best. I

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01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: really haven't cared for any of them that have come

1593
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 1: out so far, so I'm kind of just Caitlin. I

1594
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: almost want to revisit Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel at

1595
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: some later time. I think we gave them. We scored

1596
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,919
Speaker 1: them pretty high. But at least for wonder Woman especially,

1597
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: like that was I wouldn't score a wonder Woman what

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01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,600
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, we did that quite sometimes, and I

1599
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: think we would. Um, you know, maybe it's worth a revisit.

1600
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: We grew up. Yeah, we got more. We did the

1601
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: podcast for a few more years and we knew more stuff.

1602
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 1: But I mean, considering that we give most most movies

1603
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: that we cover on the podcast don't get higher than

1604
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: like an average of two nipples. Like most movies we

1605
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: of one or zero. So um, the fact that this

1606
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: gets like four or above is um pretty spectacular. Yeah,

1607
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: I think. I mean when I think about those other

1608
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: films too, it's like it's about them becoming a part

1609
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: of like a military or somewhat military organization, and that's

1610
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: the victory for them. Um. Like like women can fight

1611
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: in World War one two, like a horrible war that

1612
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 1: I have very little interest in strutting is cute little

1613
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 1: butt through that war. I didn't see the nineteen seventeen

1614
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: I just I am obsessed with it. I kind of

1615
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: see George McKay's but in that war, it's just just

1616
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,560
Speaker 1: but um. But yeah, yeah, but in general, like I

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01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: did also appreciate that this film, you know, if it

1618
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: is going to be a girl power, female centric superhero movie,

1619
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: it's an out about like being a part of a

1620
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: military or the cops. Like it's kind of about anarchy,

1621
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: which feels fun. Yeah. Well, Emily, thank you so much

1622
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: for joining us and being here with us today. What

1623
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 1: would you like to plug? How can people follow you? Etcetera? Um,

1624
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: you can listen to the podcast that I co host

1625
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 1: with Tess Lynch and Molly Lambert. It's called Nightcall. It's

1626
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: on this here podcast Network and it comes out every Monday.

1627
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: You can also find me on Twitter at Emily Oshita,

1628
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:37,839
Speaker 1: where I do still regretfully make tweets every now and again.

1629
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: That is it right now? Yeah, yes, listen to Nightcall. Uh,

1630
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 1: and you can follow us on social media. You can

1631
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: go to our patreon a ka Matreon. If you're running

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01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 1: out of main feed episodes in the Quarantine and you

1633
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Speaker 1: need some, which many are, the Matron is a great

1634
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1635
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Speaker 1: and it gets you Tube bonus episodes a month. You'll

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Speaker 1: have access to the entire backlog, which is over sixty episodes. Yeah,

1637
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Speaker 1: so check that out. Check out our t do we

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Speaker 1: say public t public dot com, slash the Bechtel Cast

1639
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,440
Speaker 1: if you want to wear Bechtel Cast stuff in quarantine

1640
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: in and yeah we uh we love you so much. Yes,

1641
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: thanks for listening to save out there. Stay safe and

1642
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: be well, and don't do cocaine unless you want to

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Speaker 1: keep your indoors cocaine for the last time. Alright bye,