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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the Whitetail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm running Bobby Kendall of the Whitetail Group

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Speaker 2: through a series of very specific deer hunting scenarios to

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Speaker 2: see exactly how we'd handle them. All right, Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Mark Kenyan. In today, we are kicking

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Speaker 2: off are what would You Do series, which is something

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Speaker 2: we've done every August for the last three or four

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Speaker 2: years now, I believe, And here's the basic gist of it.

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Speaker 2: We put a great deer hunter through a gauntlet of

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Speaker 2: very specific hunting challenges and scenarios. I will paint picture

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Speaker 2: of some kind of set of circumstances and then ask

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Speaker 2: this hunter how they would think about it, what they

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Speaker 2: would do, and why they would do it. That is

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Speaker 2: what we're gonna do today and for the rest of

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Speaker 2: this month. I'm gonna tell you a little bit about

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Speaker 2: our guest coming up here in just a moment. But

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Speaker 2: before we do that, before we get into the meat

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Speaker 2: and potatoes to today's show, I got to give you

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Speaker 2: a quick couple quick updates. Number one, we have another

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Speaker 2: Working for Wildlife tour event coming up here in August.

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Speaker 2: So that is going to be August twelve in Missouri,

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Speaker 2: just outside of Saint Louis, Missouri. We've got an event

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Speaker 2: in collaboration with backcountry hunters and anglers. We're gonna get

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Speaker 2: out there on some public land near the Mississippi River,

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Speaker 2: I believe, and do some habitat improvement for wildlife. So, man,

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Speaker 2: if you do any public land hunting, if you do

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Speaker 2: any hike and fish and anything out there out on

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Speaker 2: these places, you know that it's important to help steward

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Speaker 2: these landscapes, protect these landscapes, make sure that they are

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Speaker 2: healthy and thriving ecosystems so that the critters that we

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Speaker 2: want to hunt are there and in healthy populations. And

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Speaker 2: that's what we're trying to do on this tours, get

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Speaker 2: out there and give back to these places that man,

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Speaker 2: they give us so much. So I'm really excited to

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Speaker 2: get there on August twelfth. Meet a bunch of you, hopefully.

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Speaker 2: I know we have a lot of listeners in Missouri, Kansas,

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Speaker 2: that whole region, so we'd love to meet some of you,

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Speaker 2: share some stories, take some pictures, sign books, whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: and get out there doing some good work. So August twelfth,

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Speaker 2: you can learn more about this specific event on the

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Speaker 2: back Country Hunters and Anglers event web page. You'll find

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Speaker 2: this event listed there in their event section and you

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Speaker 2: can register at that link. Then there's going to be

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Speaker 2: a social storytelling event thing that goes on afterwards, so

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Speaker 2: looking forward to that. I want to make sure everyone

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Speaker 2: new that that's coming up. Also, we've got a sale

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Speaker 2: day that it comes out, just that day, August third,

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Speaker 2: If you are listening on August third, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: our season opener sale is still running. So this is

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Speaker 2: including the white tail rope hat that I've worn a

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Speaker 2: it's designed as like a transitional piece to where when

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Speaker 2: So check that out and everything else at first Light

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Speaker 2: talk about our guest, and our guest today is Bobby Kendall.

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Speaker 2: Bobby was on the show earlier this year for the

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Speaker 2: elite whitetail hunter. They're designing properties for the elite hunting experience,

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Speaker 2: is what they say. And after watching many, many, many

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Speaker 2: hours of their YouTube videos in which they break down

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Speaker 2: And as I mentioned at the top, this is our

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Speaker 2: what would you Do? Series? So what I'm going to

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Speaker 2: gonna have Bobby break down what he would do, how

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Speaker 2: a very clear look inside of the brain of a

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Speaker 2: tremendously successful white tail hunter. Bobby gets done year in,

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Speaker 2: So with me on the show today, We've got Bobby Kendall.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Bobby, thanks for having me again. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to get you back today to talk deer hunting,

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Speaker 2: Yes, So what I've got for you today is this

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Speaker 2: You can paint, you know, an imaginary picture if you want.

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Speaker 2: We're talking light touch kind of stuff here. In that situation,

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, is this place in the Midwest? Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: Yep, we'll say this is there in Illinois.

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Speaker 3: So you know, in the real world, my last couple

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Speaker 3: it was exactly a situation I couldn't do. So you know,

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Speaker 3: you kind of go back to the basics, right, And

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Speaker 3: that's even when you can do a bunch of happitat

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So the first thing I'm gonna do is

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Speaker 3: do is ask the landowner if if can I plan

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Speaker 3: it doesn't affect you, would you mind if I talk

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Speaker 3: They do a better job. So once they do that,

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Speaker 3: My strategy with that is you know, I'll be like,

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Speaker 3: And if it's corn, I'll always offer to go in

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Speaker 3: So a lot of times, backing up from that, I've

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Speaker 2: They really get used to that farm equipment kind of pressure.

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Speaker 3: Good example, here's a great example. I got a farm

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Speaker 2: Is there a cut off date? Would there be any

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Speaker 3: Now, I probably wouldn't want to do it anymore once

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Speaker 3: Rectangle rectangle, and is it what's playing in that?

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Speaker 3: They won't. I mean, most of them understand cover cropping

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Speaker 3: leaves drop, so that a bunch of the seed doesn't

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00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: lay on top of the leaves. Some of them will

433
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 3: be covered. But I'll usually double the rate if you

434
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: want to really do it right, I'd put two bags

435
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 3: awry per and probably you know, eight or ten pounds

436
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: of turnips, pretty heavy. And sometimes I'll literally just whatever

437
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: I got left over from food plas sas and oats

438
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 3: and rye and turnips and rash and rape and what.

439
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 3: I'll just put it all out there because some of

440
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 3: it doesn't have as good as seed to soil. But

441
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 3: you've got the leftover seed and some of it's going

442
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: to grow. So the heaver you put it on, you know,

443
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: the better. You've got to count that some of them

444
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: aren't going to germinate because of the because of the

445
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: leaves falling on and stuff. But it's awesome if you've

446
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: never done it. I mean, you get a carpet of

447
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 3: green again, probability and stuff. All of deer hunting to

448
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: me is like probability in math. In order to get

449
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: an acre of green and an acre of beans, you

450
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: end up with two acres, which says it's just harder

451
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: to hunt because it's bigger. But when you put it

452
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: in the same spot, your chances are fifty percent better technically,

453
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot more to it than that.

454
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: But sure, what about the corn situation, when would you

455
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: put on the corn?

456
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: You know, so the corn is kind of the same deal.

457
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: You want it to be browning down. Corn works really well,

458
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: like if you're planning it yourself, if you can, if

459
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: you know you're gonna overseed or at least overseed an area,

460
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: if you can run those corn rows north and south,

461
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 3: the sun will get in them better and you'll get

462
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: your better germination. So and with a corn you use

463
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: a leaf blower, spread spreader. You know, it's kind of

464
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 3: a pain, but it's worth it. And you know the

465
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 3: other thing about corn, and this is kind of getting

466
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 3: away from that situation, but a lot of times I'll

467
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 3: go in in a mow my first quarter acre area,

468
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: like September twenty fifth, and then that puts corn on

469
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 3: the ground in front for opening week. But it also

470
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 3: is early enough that same day I'll overseaed it and

471
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 3: then i'll get the carpet of green and the corn there,

472
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 3: and that's like the hub. And then I'll just start

473
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: mowing as the season, I'll I'll mow a little more,

474
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: a little more, and a big tip on that corn

475
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: is when you after I get done mowing it, Let's

476
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: say for the first time in the quarter acre, I'll

477
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: drive through the corn. I'll lift my mower up. I

478
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 3: don't want to sling corn anymore. I'll drive out of

479
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 3: the corn in a couple of directions where I think

480
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: he's gonna come from. But I'll make that road when

481
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 3: it comes into the corn like. I won't make it

482
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: come straight at me, because then when he walks in

483
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 3: the field and puts his head down he's eating, he's

484
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: gonna be looking straight down, you know, or he's gonna

485
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: be not broadside. So even if I got to have

486
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: it come in and then loop a little bit or

487
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: something and come in from the side, or jay it

488
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 3: at the last second, I'll shape it to where when

489
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: he walks in and he's in bow range his broadside

490
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 3: and not mow it, you know what I mean?

491
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, Okay, let's shift more into two hunting stuff here.

492
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: From this situation, Let's imagine we're approaching the time frame

493
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: now where you've got, you know, let's say we're September

494
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: and all your work has done across all your properties,

495
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: you know, leading in the hunting season. You're set, Your

496
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: plots are planted, your box blinds are up, your tree

497
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: stands are hung, cameras are set wherever you want them.

498
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: You're just kind of monitoring and waiting for opening day.

499
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, a new mega giant shows

500
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: up like a It would be your biggest buck ever.

501
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: It'll be two hundred and twenty inches in your you know,

502
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: eyeball estimation. You're very excited to see this buck pop up.

503
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: He's popped up on a smaller one of your properties,

504
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: and you have no history with him, random buck, but

505
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: he's like showing up. It's not like a one time thing.

506
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: He's kind of popping up here and there. You've got

507
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: a little time leading to the season now, and all

508
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're realizing, holy smokes, this is the

509
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: deer that I want. What do you do in that

510
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: type of situation to go from zero to sixty and

511
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: trying to put together a plan and kind of tighten

512
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: the noose on this deer that is brand new, very exciting.

513
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: How you gon lear in the situation quickly.

514
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go over there with a lot of cell

515
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: camps and I'm gonna load that place up. I'm gonna

516
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: take one day. I'm gonna go over there in my

517
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: tractor preferably if not tractor ranger. I'm gonna bomb around everywhere,

518
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 3: you know, because if I'm gonna anticipate that, I'm gonna

519
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: run them out of there. But that's okay. The way

520
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna run them out of there is a lot

521
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: better than just like slipping around everywhere. And if I

522
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 3: got to slip around, it's fine. You know. Sometimes I'll

523
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: even get on the phone or something something like, you know,

524
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: just obnoxiously not a threatening something sneaking up on them,

525
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: which is what they're wired to defend against. You know,

526
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna load it up with cameras. I'm gonna put

527
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: cameras in places that I anticipate that. But if it's September,

528
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna obviously be trying to put a

529
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: camera on every single scrape. If it is, uh, kind

530
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: of backing up this in my not be this situation,

531
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: but in the whenever. Obviously the best scouting time is

532
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: in the winter before green up. Whenever I'm on a

533
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: farm that time of year and I find scrapes, I'm

534
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: pinning them. It's like I call it like a scrape mat.

535
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it does not make sense that time of year.

536
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 3: You might not even know the deer, you might not

537
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: have history on it. But the following year having those

538
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: can like be a complete game changer and all of

539
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: a sudden make total sense. So if I know where

540
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: any of those scrapes are gonna pop up, I'm gonna

541
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: put cameras out there if there's if there's spots that

542
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: I anticipate, I wouldn't put a camera necessarily in September,

543
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: but I would, you know, in October a little later,

544
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: I might put one there. I'm just gonna try and

545
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: do everything I can think that I might have to

546
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: do in one day in one shot. I'm gonna bring

547
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: you know, some stands, you know, I'm gonna hang them

548
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: in some obvious spots, and I'm just gonna try and

549
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: hit it hard one day and then wait and see

550
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: what happens.

551
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: I like it. So, okay, you've laid out the groundwork

552
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: for this situation then, and let's let's kind of continue

553
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: down this imaginary path. Let's say you did this day

554
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: of scouting, this this heavy duty day a laying everything

555
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: out there, getting all your cameras, getting your stands out,

556
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Now I want to talk

557
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: about picking your shots. And I'll preface this situation by

558
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: saying I've got a magic X question for you. So

559
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: before answering the question, you know, give folks a reminder

560
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: of what your magic X theory is and then walk

561
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: me through how you would apply that. So let's let's

562
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: imagine this scenario. Let's imagine that you have a different

563
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: job than you have now, and so you are in

564
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: a nine to five kind of career, so you don't

565
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: have a lot of time to get flexible with and

566
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: so in this situation, you usually just have a week

567
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: of vacation to really use for your hardcore hunt. And

568
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: that's usually a rut hunt. It's usually going to be

569
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: that first week of November, let's say, So that's when

570
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: you took your week of vacation. So you've got this

571
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: mega giant you're after, You've got a week of vacation

572
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: scheduled to get after him. You're getting closer to that

573
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: time period. You're monitoring all these different things, the weather,

574
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: your cameras, whatnot. You see in the long term forecast

575
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: that your scheduled week is looking like it's going to

576
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: be pretty warm. It's not looking ideal. But at the

577
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: same time, right now, in late October, let's say like October,

578
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, twenties, low twenties, You've got a Magic

579
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: X day coming up. So in this situation, do you

580
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: cancel your vacation and scramble things at work to move

581
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: your vacation up a week and a half so you

582
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: can hunt the magic X in late October? Or do

583
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: you know that you know the rut's the rut, and

584
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: I got to make it happen here, you know, with

585
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: my planned vacation. What's more important the rut in November

586
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: or that Magic X day that's coming up in the

587
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: early twenties.

588
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: There's so much to talk about here, So there's two

589
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: there's two paths to answer that question. If it's a

590
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: guy who is just going hunting, like he's just he's

591
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: not fanatic, he's not running camera, he's not doing boo pot.

592
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: He doesn't have target deer, he's just going and hunting.

593
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: If it's that guy, you want to you want to

594
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: be going, probably in the rut, because all that stuff

595
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: kind of goes out the window when I say rut.

596
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: That's another term that starts in September, and that's what

597
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: the whole quarter of the year is. So, but that

598
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: time of the rut where you're most likely to see

599
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: a deer, it's just that it's the most predictable, that's

600
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: the most unpredictable. It's it's the easiest to just go

601
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: out and pick a spot and sit there and possibly

602
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: shoot a nice dear if you are in tune with it,

603
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: and you're paying and you're following a deer and your

604
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: and your GOP you know, cameras out and you know

605
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: what a deer is doing. Hands down, there's not even

606
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: a comparison that you would be better off in October.

607
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: And if I haven't gotten my target deer killed by

608
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: you know, November first or second, I just man, I

609
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: just I got to get mentally strong, because I just

610
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: get it's just so frustrating in the rut. I've killed

611
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: a lot of big deer in that first ten days,

612
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: but it just gets more frustrating. So yeah, in October,

613
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: so magic X day. So I use the the Weather Underground.

614
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: I'll show you he real quick, maybe on the phone

615
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: so people can understand it a little bit better. But

616
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: I use the Weather Underground, not the app, but I

617
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 3: use the the website on the phone, and then I

618
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: anchor it to my homepage and I'm trying to pull

619
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: it up here. But it just shows a really big

620
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: display and any app that shows the pressure line will work,

621
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: but it just shows it really really nice and big

622
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: and clear. But essentially what the magic X is. And

623
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: it's more pronounced that time of year than it is

624
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: in the summer. But when you have a high pressure

625
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: front come in, you'll see the black line on that

626
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: app particularly, but that's the high pressure and it'll look

627
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: like that. And then at the same time you have

628
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: temperatures dropping, so the temperature line is dropping, you know,

629
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: humidity is usually dropping, cloud cover is dropping, so it

630
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: literally kind of makes an X on the graph and

631
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: you can see it instantly. And those days in October

632
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: they trump everything. I mean, you know, if you have

633
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: a big deer on camera and it's not just late October.

634
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: It becomes more powerful in late October. But whenever it

635
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: whenever it happens is really good. Like I think two

636
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: years ago it was a really good stretch like October

637
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: sixteenth to the nineteenth, and then within the last couple

638
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: of years there was a really good stretch like the

639
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: sixth to the tenth or something like that. It doesn't

640
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: really matter. But you know, there's all these different things

641
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: that affect deer movement, and when you line them all up,

642
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: like their mindset in the end of October, they're just

643
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 3: so much more rambunctious and rammy. So if you get

644
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: a magic X day in the end of October, yeah,

645
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: it's better. But I would take a magic X day

646
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: high pressure front in the beginning of October. I'd be

647
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: more excited to go to the woods on that day

648
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 3: than I would on a mediocre day in the end

649
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: of October. So those those high pressure fronts are key

650
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: in October. If you are watching a deer and you

651
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: know what he's doing, I mean it is so I mean,

652
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: it's it's it feels like it's the code, you know

653
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like unpressured deer doing what deer should do.

654
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: He's going to be out marking territory and hitting scrapes

655
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 3: in October on those nights.

656
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 2: You know, So what about another weather scenario in which

657
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: we get the opposite situation. Let's say it's opening day.

658
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: So I don't know how you feel, but I feel

659
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: really great on opening day. I'm very excited, the deer

660
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 2: been unpressured. I always feel like that's a really exceptional opportunity.

661
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: I like to take big swings on opening day if

662
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: it's smart to do so. But let's say Opening Day

663
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: coincides with the opposite of a magic X day. Let's

664
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: say it's going to be like seventy six and a

665
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: low barometer in southeast winds and a dark moon. In

666
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: that situation, are you still going to take a big

667
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: swing at your target buck on opening day because it's

668
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: opening day? Or are you playing it very differently? What

669
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: would you do?

670
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: No, I'll probably got to go home because it's opening day.

671
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: But I'm definitely not going to do anything too aggressive.

672
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: I'm probably not gonna bomb in where he's been at night.

673
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: You know, I just you know, I I used to

674
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 3: hunt every single day, no matter what, and now I'm

675
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: just those days are so powerful that it's just not worth.

676
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: It's you're gonna do more harm than good most of

677
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 3: the time, you know, by bombing in there too early

678
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: on the days that aren't good.

679
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: You know, do you hunt even in his area or

680
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: do you completely leave that property alone, hunt somewhere else

681
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: and just try to kill a dough or something.

682
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 3: If I was gonnahunt his area, I'd probably hunt somewhere

683
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: where I could see a long way and just maybe

684
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: maybe see if I could see him. But you know,

685
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: it depends that. There can in Illinois, and this changes

686
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: everywhere you're at, but there can be, like it seems like,

687
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: and this is kind of like a gut feeling, it

688
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: does seem like an Illinois there can be like a

689
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: one two three day window in the very October first

690
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 3: where they where they can still move on warmer days

691
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 3: because they're more in that summer mindset. But it changes

692
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 3: very quickly, you know. I'd say by the fourth or

693
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: fifth or sixth, it's kind of that game's kind of over.

694
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, if obviously, if my cameras are

695
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: still telling me the day before, in the two days

696
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: before that that he's out there in daylight and on

697
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: warm days, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go in

698
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: there and get after after him. You know. But and

699
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: that's a point I like to make, like out of

700
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: a friend last year who had this giant deer and

701
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: he's like, I'm like, what are you doing. He's like,

702
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: he's coming out here and he's crossing the road and

703
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: everybody's seeing him, and I'm like, what are you doing.

704
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 3: He's like, well, I'm not going to go in there

705
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: until November. What And he's like yeah, He's like, I

706
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: just don't want to pressure him. I'm like, dude, here's

707
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: here is a tip. When you have a big deer

708
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: and he is wanting to die, you have got to

709
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: go hunt him because he is not going to be there.

710
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: I mean it just when they're giving you opportunity, you

711
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: better seize it. You know, you can get aggressive with

712
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: a big old deer and not not run him out

713
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: like you think, but you know you got to get

714
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: after it because before you know what, you're gonna be like, uh,

715
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: he's gone.

716
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So continue with that. What if you have

717
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: that situation where you've got a buck daylighting, maybe you

718
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: get them on camera two days out of three leading

719
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: up to a day, you can hunt. But the situation

720
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: is like we're talking about where it's hot. The conditions

721
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: seem lousy, but he showed up a couple times before.

722
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: And let's say, like the wind is not bulletproof. It's

723
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: kind of one of those days. It's like, well, you know,

724
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: I could do it maybe, but it's a little bit risky.

725
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: And I've been in a situation like this where like, man,

726
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: he's been daylight, he might not ever do it again,

727
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: or this might be my one chance, and do you

728
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: take the swing? Would you take a swing on that

729
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: kind of situation despite the if he conditions, because that

730
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: daylight photo is so rare and you got to take

731
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: advantage of these moments.

732
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: You know, if I'm if I'm from out of town

733
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: and I'm there, I probably would. But if I'm if

734
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: I live there earlier, live nearby, like I I do,

735
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: I do tend to hunt very conservatively. I call it

736
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: like hunting defensively instead of offensively. A lot of people

737
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: are like looking for the magic thing to do, and

738
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: usually it's things they need just to not do. You

739
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 3: know what I mean, less is so much more, And

740
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: I I got this kind of big macro approached the

741
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: whole hunting season, and it's it's a tortoise in the

742
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: hair game. I treat my farm like glass house, I

743
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: you know, because once you once you do ruin it,

744
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: you you've you've ruined it, you know, So I don't

745
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: I don't get too rammy. I guess if that answer

746
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: your question, you know, I don't know. I just I

747
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: just try and treat it like a glasshouse and not

748
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: make mistakes. You know. It's very methodical and it's slow,

749
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: and just the mental side of hunting is like most

750
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 3: of the time, and you kind of as you mature

751
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: as a hunter, you are able to just relax and

752
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: be okay with it. But I remember man just getting

753
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: so wound up. And most of the time that's the

754
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: way you're gonna feel, because it's not usually like when

755
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: you finally got it, like I'm gonna kill this year.

756
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: Usually it's over within a day or two, you know

757
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 3: what I mean. So a lot of times it should

758
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: feel kind of like what is going on? You know, what,

759
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: where is he He's gone this or that, and it's

760
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 3: just kind of like you just gotta trust the process

761
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: and the season and all your philosophies because there's just

762
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: light switch moments throughout the season. Every year they happen,

763
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: and when you're in one of the lows, I'm just like,

764
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: something will happen here minute, Like last year. I mean,

765
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: I shot a huge deer last year. I had pictures

766
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: of him in the summer. I didn't think he was

767
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: I thought he was like a lot smaller than they

768
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: ended up being. They weren't good pictures. There was some

769
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: other people hunting the farm. I had some equipment go missing.

770
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, whatever, screw this. I left

771
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: a camera by accident on the on the piece next door,

772
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: and I didn't even have any cameras over there. And

773
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: all of a sudden I got a picture of him,

774
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: Like and I wasn't even hunting really in October because

775
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: I didn't really have anything at shoot, And all of

776
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: a sudden, like November fourth, I get a picture of

777
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: him right in the camera. I'm like, oh my, I'm like, wow,

778
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: I misjudged him by a lot and like and and

779
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: then boom, two days later, I shoot a Meggage giant

780
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: and it's like it's just a lights. It's just that's

781
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: the way deer season goes. And I think everybody can

782
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: relate to that. You know, it's never you're on a

783
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 3: high the whole time. You're just going from big deer

784
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: to big deer to big deer. It's usually like, you.

785
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: Know, a lot of lows question marks, and then a

786
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: couple high points. So you kind of alluded to an

787
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 2: answer to this next question I have. But I'm curious about,

788
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: like a little bit about how you're utilizing your cell

789
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: cameras and these days, I think there's a temptation to

790
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: kind of chase cell picks. I think a lot of

791
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: people are kind of chasing pictures. So let's let's imagine

792
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: this is like, you know, mid October ish kind of

793
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: time period, and you've got this methodical, you know, macerel

794
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: strategy like you just talked about for hunting. So let's

795
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: let's say later October because things are a little more

796
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: exciting then, and so you have a plan in place,

797
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 2: like you've been hunting all October, You've been hunting smart.

798
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: You're going into the evening hunt and you're sitting in

799
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: a spot that you think is dynamite. You've got solid

800
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: reason to be hunting in this area because of history,

801
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: because of the wind, because of the terrain set up,

802
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: because of your plot, set up, whatever it is. But

803
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: just before you, you know, head down the road, you

804
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: get your upload from yesterday's cell cameras. Let's say, and

805
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: you all of a sudden see a daylight picture of

806
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: your target buck or a target buck. Some are completely

807
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: different conditions, aren't bad there? But he was there yesterday.

808
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: Do you chase that cell cam pick because he was

809
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: there daylight yesterday evening, or do you stick to your

810
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: original plan that you spend all day thinking through and

811
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: you feel really confident about despite this picture.

812
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: How far are you talking?

813
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: How far are these two properties separate? Are these two

814
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: places let's say they are different deer, Like these are

815
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 2: different No, let's not say they're different deer. Let's say

816
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: this is within the same property. So hypothetically you could

817
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: see this same buck in either spot. But let's say

818
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: this is like a three hundred acres maybe, and they're

819
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: not right next to each other somewhere in that three

820
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: hundred acres but not super duper close.

821
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it would depend on when that picture was.

822
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 3: If it was like if it was like because I

823
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: look at that picture and try and figure out where

824
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: he was bedded when I got the like, if it

825
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: was earlier, the evening the day before, So it meant

826
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: I try and figure out, like, Okay, where was he

827
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 3: coming from or going to in this picture or was

828
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 3: it a random picture at the end at the middle

829
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: of the night, Because I mean, they can cover some ground,

830
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 3: and if it's October, they're fairly patternable in my opinion,

831
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: except for when you get into like I call it

832
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: the boomerang phase, like October twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine.

833
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: It's like what happens in that date is like you'll

834
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: it seems like when a bunch of deer within that

835
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: older age class separate in September, you know, seems like

836
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: you'll get one whose core is here and one whose

837
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: core is here, and one whose core is here, and

838
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: they might overlap a little bit in October, but they're

839
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: really territorial and they're that's what they're doing. They're in

840
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: a territory marking mindset. And so all of a sudden,

841
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: in what I call the boomerang phase, you'll see this

842
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: deer womb loop up here, and you'll see this deer

843
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 3: loop down here, and you'll see this dear loop up here.

844
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: And I mean, if you pay attention, it's it's like

845
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: it's every year on the twenty seventh, they'll get a

846
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: picture and I'll text it to Toby and be like

847
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: boomerang phase. So it just kind of depends on some things.

848
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: But I try and I try and stick to the

849
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: plan because they can cover a ton of ground in

850
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: ten minutes, and if he's been doing something in October,

851
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna your higher odds that he's going to

852
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: keep doing that than all of a sudden change. And so,

853
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of these questions. It might help

854
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: if I kind of gave my overall picture of deer season,

855
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 3: because I kind of fairly simplified. That might help lock

856
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 3: some of this stuff together. So in so my approach

857
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: is there's three things that affect big deer to move,

858
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: and there's more things in that, but they all kind

859
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: of group into these things. One is date or phase.

860
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: And I also call that mindset because that's all that

861
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: really is the deer do that they're mine. Set is

862
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: wired the same every year to the date because of

863
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 3: the you know, the photo period or whever, So the

864
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: date phaser mindset, that's a predictable thing. So like I

865
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: can use my my philosophies and stuff and say, Okay,

866
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 3: it's October twenty seven. This is the mindset of these deer.

867
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: They're getting gonna be rammier in their territory marketing, so

868
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 3: I can use that to make wise decisions. So date

869
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: phaser mindset. And then, and that goes back to your

870
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: thing about the cameras, October is different because they're pretty

871
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: much in the same mindset the whole month. It's a

872
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: ramp up, but it's a territory marking mindset. You'll see

873
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: him mess with those, but it's really more of a

874
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: territory like they'll come out. People be like, oh, they're

875
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: chasing dose, but really what he did was he came out,

876
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 3: he curled his lips, he pushed her, and he's showing dominance.

877
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: It's still that mindset. And then, like a light switch

878
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: on Halloween, changes to a dough So it's a territory

879
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: cruising mindset where on a high pressure magic text thing.

880
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: In the end of October, he's cruising, going scrape to

881
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: scrape to scrape sometimes every food pot and the whole

882
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: on the whole farm. And then like a light switch,

883
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 3: it becomes a dough mindset mindset. Now he's cruising trying

884
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 3: to find a hot dough. So that's like a light

885
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 3: switch event that happens, and now all of a sudden,

886
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: he's using his nose to navigate because he has to.

887
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: So then your strategy. You know that a lot of

888
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: things changed in So there's date phase or mindsets, and

889
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 3: I always try and be in front of the deer.

890
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: I don't once, especially once October thirty first rolls around,

891
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: the cameras somewhat go out the window. I mean, they

892
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: definitely still give you information, but I'm trying to be

893
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: ahead of that deer. That big deer I shot last

894
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: year was like November fifth or something. I went to

895
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: a tree stand I left in case that deer blew up,

896
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: which he did, and I shot on my first time

897
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: in because I knew he was in that date the

898
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: year before, and I knew what he was doing, so

899
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: I was ahead of him. I wasn't really worrying that

900
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: I got his picture on the neighboring piece. I was.

901
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 3: I was hunting, you know, out in front of the deer,

902
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: predicting his next move. So date phase or mindset, that's

903
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: one thing that I look at. The other thing is

904
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: Moon get everybody fired up about the moon. I am

905
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: a huge believer the week leading up to the full

906
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: moon is more powerful for evening sets. The week after

907
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: is more powerful for morning sets. I just I understand

908
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 3: that there's all kinds of studies. I but I can

909
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: feel the difference. And I've run so many cameras, I've

910
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: been in the woods so many years, and so many dates,

911
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: and so many of those moon phases, and i can

912
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 3: just feel the difference. It gives you a little bit

913
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: of an edge. And when you couple it with a

914
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: high pressure front in the end of October, so you know,

915
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: in the third thing, so you got moon fase, which

916
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: is predictable, we got date phase or mindset, which is predictable.

917
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: The last thing is the environment, which is not predictable.

918
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: And that goes to the magic X day. If you

919
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: keep it as simple as a magic X day, that

920
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: X represents cold weather, it represents you know, high pressure.

921
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: You know, they accompany each other. So whatever people think

922
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: is the most powerful part of that day, that day

923
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: that starts out gloomy, damp, dreary, humid, and by prime

924
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: time is bluebird fifteen degrees cooler, a lot drier air.

925
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: That is the best day in the world to do hunt.

926
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just fire. It's just I literally go

927
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 3: to my tree stand like this on that day. And

928
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: so when you get all three of those things to

929
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: line up, you have a crazy powerful day. If you

930
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: don't have if you don't have a good moon phase,

931
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: but you have good environment and it's not a good

932
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: day it's early October, it's still good because of the environmental.

933
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 3: It just when you take all three of those things

934
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: and you wind them up together, those are the best

935
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: days in the woods. So those three concepts, the date,

936
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: the phase which equals mindset, the moon phase, and the

937
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: environmental that's kind of like the premises of everything. So,

938
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: you know, but back to that original question about you

939
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 3: know what was the question again?

940
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: Heck, I don't even remember now.

941
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: It was something about like your trail cams, you know.

942
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah it was you know, if you if you

943
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: got a self picture of a shooter buck in daylight

944
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: the evening before in a different place than your planned location,

945
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 2: as you're about to go to that planned location, would

946
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: you stick with the plan or chase that daylight photo

947
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: that happened yesterday.

948
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if it's October, I'm going to go to

949
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: where he's been on camera, even if it's at night

950
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: working scrapes, because I know his mindset is marking territory.

951
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: So I'm going to stick to that plan. I'm not

952
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 3: going to get rammy and bounce around. He shouldn't be

953
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 3: crazy far away in October anyway. If it's in the date,

954
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: that again being ahead of him, predicting him date phase

955
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: or mindset. If it's end of October and you're in

956
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 3: that that you know, boomerang ish type phase, I could

957
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: see him being on the other side of the farm.

958
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: But a lot of times that's that is that is

959
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: a that is a march that night, and he's right back.

960
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 3: So I would kind of use my philosophies and stay

961
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 3: calm and just be like, I'm going to go in there.

962
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: If he comes, he comes, If not, he lives another day,

963
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: but sooner or later he's you know, gonna get a

964
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: crack at him.

965
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

966
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 3: That's the other thing. I don't ever get too rammy

967
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: to to get like, I literally say, this is a

968
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 3: whole season. I just got to make base hit plays.

969
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: In other words, not do something stupid, which isn't inevitable.

970
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: You know, things a lot, So that's just part of it.

971
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: What what what does it take to get you Rammy?

972
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it all three of those factors lining up?

973
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: Is that the only situation we're be like, Okay, I

974
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: gotta get really aggressive because magic acts time of year

975
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: and the cold front ran the moon.

976
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so if it's as October goes, I'll get

977
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: more aggressive because he's on that pattern, you know, in

978
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: the end of the month. Like if I yeah, if

979
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: I get all three of those things, like this year

980
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: we have a perfect we got a phone move in

981
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 3: the end of October. So and I'll look at the

982
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: exact dates. But and if I'm somebody who's like trying

983
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: to plan when I'm coming in October, I'm going to

984
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: plan the week before the full moon because in that

985
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 3: week period you're gonna have one high pressure sit and

986
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: it's going to be one of the most powerful nights

987
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,959
Speaker 3: of the whole season. Is a target deer that you're

988
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 3: on this year, it falls on the twenty eighth, so

989
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: the week of like the twenty third to the twenty seventh.

990
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 3: I mean, if you have if you've got a big

991
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: deer on camera in October doing something at night, and

992
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 3: that's another whole rabbit hole is like people say, oh,

993
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: I got this year, but he's nocturnal. Well, he's nocturnal

994
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: because that's what they do. They're wired to do that.

995
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 3: But but then randomly you get a daylight pisser, and

996
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 3: it's because you know, there's a rhyme or reason usually

997
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: to it. And so all those things I'm seeing him

998
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 3: do at night, I'm not going to get discouraged that

999
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: he's doing at night. I'm just going to pay attention

1000
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 3: to where he's entering the field at night because that's

1001
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 3: probably where he's going to enter it in the daylight,

1002
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: which scrapes he's hitting, you know, all those things, you know,

1003
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: possibly wind directions. Maybe you find that he's entering the

1004
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 3: field in a different spot in a different wind direction

1005
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: or something like that, which might be because he's betting

1006
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: in a different spot on a different wind direction. Which

1007
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: I've seen some crazy things happen with all these walls

1008
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: and stuff we build. When we're doing building projects and farms,

1009
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 3: I've had situations where my camera's telling me one hundred percent,

1010
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: like when he goes bed to feed, he has to

1011
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: go buy my camera because he can't not. And I've

1012
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: seen I had this giant deer in Marshall County there

1013
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: was this bluff and a cornfield and in the summer

1014
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 3: I had a couple of these random like some days

1015
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 3: he'd be pictured, he'd be betted in the bottom in

1016
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: the corn and some days he betted on the hilltop

1017
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 3: and uh, and I'm like, huh, that's kind of weird.

1018
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: And then there was a few days like in the

1019
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: middle of the day in the summer, eleven o'clock, two o'clock,

1020
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 3: I get a picture of him randomly walking through the gap.

1021
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 3: And then one day I had him go through and

1022
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 3: then a few hours later went back through again. And

1023
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: I went back to weather underground history and every single

1024
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: one of those was on a wind change. Those midday moves,

1025
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 3: it was on a wind change, like to the hour

1026
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: he got up and left one betting area and went

1027
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: to the other one base based off the wind. And

1028
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: the day he moved twice there was two wind changes.

1029
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 3: And you know, you don't get that kind of intel

1030
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 3: unless you literally have a unless you get one hundred

1031
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 3: percent you know, camera intel. So you know, some of

1032
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 3: that's been interesting to see, to see when your camera

1033
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: locations go up crazy. But yeah, that week this year

1034
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: of the twenty third of the twenty seventh is when

1035
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: I'd be planning my my hunt out west. Back to

1036
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 3: the original original question. If I'm going somewhere and I

1037
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: and I can, I only got a week to plan

1038
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: or whatever. I'm going to plan it around the week

1039
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: leading to the full moon in October. And the reason

1040
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 3: is the week leading to the full moon is because

1041
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: that's the best evening and October is conducive to evening

1042
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 3: hunting prank mostly, So that's what I'm gonna pick. And

1043
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: I'm going to look for that magic X day, and

1044
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: i mean try it. If you're listening this year, watch

1045
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: that week leading up to the twenty eighth, you know,

1046
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 3: watch for a magic X Day. I've got a video

1047
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: on my YouTube stuff that will help you get that

1048
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: set up and figure out exactly you know what that is.

1049
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 3: And if you have a target deer and you feel

1050
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: like you're on a deer and whatever he's doing, go

1051
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: sit that that night, that magic X night lead in

1052
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: that week right there, or if you can't hunt, watch

1053
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 3: your cameras on that day. It's really powerful. It's probably

1054
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: the most powerful day of the whole dear season, is

1055
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: the Magic X day leading up to the full moon

1056
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 3: in the month of October.

1057
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: All right, well, I'm gone from my home based properties

1058
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: until the twenty eighth, so and try to get it

1059
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: done that night. I guess, yeah, I can't, can't be

1060
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: there for those days leading up to it.

1061
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: And here's another thing about the day of the full moon.

1062
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: Just something I've seen over the years. You don't see

1063
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: a lot of deer generally, but you'll but I've seen

1064
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: and I've got pictures of some big ones like right

1065
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: at last light like more more often than coincidentally interesting,

1066
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: And I don't know the whole moon conversation. You know,

1067
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 3: it's like there's this culture of like gall the moon.

1068
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: But you know, I can I know for I can

1069
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 3: feel it in me. I know for a fact. It

1070
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: makes a difference with big, mature deer that require very

1071
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 3: specific triggers to move in daylight. But when they are triggered,

1072
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: they're just out there walking around. I mean, it's not

1073
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: like they're like some type of a like unicorn, the

1074
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: magnetic pull of the moon is forcing them. It's not

1075
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: really like that. It's just like, okay, they're up. But

1076
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: you know, like Lee Lakowski, he is the same way.

1077
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he believed. He believes in the moon. I

1078
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 3: had him tell me last year. On a warm day,

1079
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: he was like he was somebody said, oh, it's a

1080
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: warm day. He's like, they're like, probably not much going on.

1081
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, unless you have a water hole on

1082
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: a green source. And we're like really, and he's like yeah.

1083
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: He goes, what's the moon doing. He goes, I'll have

1084
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: a big one on camera to thirty today. He sends

1085
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: this picture, a big one at two thirty five, like

1086
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: right on, so you got got that, and yeah, guy

1087
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: like Ben Rising, you got Mark Druriy And all of

1088
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 3: them are like they they feel that they like can

1089
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: they're in there and it can feel the mindsets of

1090
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: these deer and they're all like, yes, it makes a difference.

1091
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 3: So I don't know where the disconnect is between the

1092
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: science and the guys that are shooting these big deer.

1093
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: You know, but I don't know if it's because it's

1094
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 3: skewed because there's less percentage of mature deer that I

1095
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 3: don't know what it is.

1096
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: You know, well, and to your point you made earlier,

1097
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: and I know, like one of your larger kind of

1098
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: theories of hunting is like you're stacking all these little,

1099
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: tiny odds, and even if the moon is only like

1100
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: a two percent thing, maybe that doesn't show up as

1101
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: statistically significant in a larger study, But a two percent

1102
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: bump for a specific mature buck to move on a

1103
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: day stacked with all these other things can be a

1104
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: huge difference for a hunter.

1105
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 3: So and so now working theory off of those three principles,

1106
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: one being the moon on a year in the morning.

1107
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 3: So on a year that the moon is full at

1108
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 3: the end of October, like this year, I'm probably not

1109
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: going to do too much morning hunting leading up to

1110
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 3: that because that's the grand finale and it's in the

1111
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 3: end of October, so my hunting chances are just gonna

1112
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: get higher and higher and higher. If that full moon

1113
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: is like the eighteenth or the twentieth, I am gonna

1114
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: plan on morning hunting some that week after, because that

1115
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 3: moon does give a slight edge to movement after it

1116
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 3: in the mornings in October can be really good. But

1117
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: the thing is, you have the whole month to play

1118
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: the game of the tortoise and the air in the glasshouse,

1119
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 3: so it's not worth potentially going out and ruining it

1120
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: here when you still got more time. But if the

1121
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: moon is peaks out here in helping me, and now

1122
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 3: I've got this window here, I might Now I'll probably

1123
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 3: hunt some morning after the high pressure fronts on scrapes

1124
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 3: because he's going to be doing the same thing. He's

1125
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 3: going to be marking terror mindset. He is going to

1126
01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 3: be marking territory on that phone because that's what he's

1127
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 3: wired to do. And now I've got two things in

1128
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: my favor. I've got a magic X day the morning

1129
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 3: after the high pressure front, and I've got that moon phase.

1130
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: So i have two things helping me and mornings and

1131
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: the end of October can be really good. There's no

1132
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: denying that. It's just you have to balance the risk reward,

1133
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: which is something I'm always thinking about, is the risk

1134
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 3: work reward. And at that point, in my eyes, because

1135
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: of that moon, the risk becomes worth the reward because

1136
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: now you're running out of time before his mindset changes.

1137
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I follow you, Okay, so new well, not new scenario.

1138
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: Let's just move forward a week. So let's stick with

1139
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: what that calendar looks like this year. So full moon

1140
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: October twenty eighth, you're hunting, though it's now October, sorry,

1141
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: November first, and your seven day forecast for that period

1142
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: is a hot rut. So this is what a lot

1143
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: of us experienced last year. And I don't know where

1144
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: you were at from November one through seven, but it

1145
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: was hot and kind of miserable in Ohio and Nebraska.

1146
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: How is that? So let's say you've got that, You've

1147
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: got seven days of like seventy to eighty degree temperatures

1148
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: from November one through seven, and this is about a

1149
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: week following the full moon. What do you do in

1150
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: that situation? What kind of set ups? What's your plan

1151
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 2: given that?

1152
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 3: So the first thing that you're going to notice is

1153
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 3: everybody's going to be saying the deer are lockdown earlier

1154
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 3: this year, which is not true. It's just the perceiving

1155
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 3: that because there's going to be a lack of deer movement,

1156
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 3: so they're going to be attributing it to lockdown, but

1157
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 3: it's really not. You know, lockdown is kind of that

1158
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 3: date that everything else pendulates on. So like sometimes I

1159
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: got friends in other areas that trying to you know,

1160
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 3: we're trying to figure something out, and we'll try and

1161
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 3: figure out when lockdown is. We'll be like well, when

1162
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 3: do you see like nothing but button bucks and fauns.

1163
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 3: And then we'll try and backdate and correlate it today's

1164
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 3: I know from that, So like boomerang phase, you know,

1165
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 3: lockdown in Illinois is like the fourteen is epicenter of it.

1166
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 3: So like if I count days back to the twenty eighth,

1167
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 3: I do the same thing for my friend somewhere else

1168
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 3: that that his lockdown is the twentieth, you know, so

1169
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 3: he'd be a weekly So so, so the first thing

1170
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 3: is it's gonna be slow. No, it's going to be slow.

1171
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: Their mindset is going to still be the same. The

1172
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 3: light switches changed, and now they're in a dough mindset.

1173
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 3: They want to find a girlfriend. So now we're gonna

1174
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 3: think like a deer and what their mindset is, what

1175
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 3: they're trying to do, and we're gonna try and get

1176
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 3: out ahead of them. The cameras kind of go away,

1177
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: you know, they don't go away. Scrapes are you know,

1178
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: they're stopping to hit scrapes like a light switch because

1179
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 3: their mindset has changed. The biggest I mean, and and

1180
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 3: and now we're in a time that some of that

1181
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 3: stuff can go out the window because if if there's

1182
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 3: a hot dough. I mean, now now is the time.

1183
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: Now comes the grind. Now is like here we go,

1184
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: this is this is the here we go. So the

1185
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 3: things that you have in your favor are that is

1186
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: the best time of the year to hunt when you

1187
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: have poor conditions like that, So that time of year,

1188
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 3: I guess I would probably ignore those conditions. Now there

1189
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: is the mental side of this if you are the

1190
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: one that gets I know, guys that sit all day

1191
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: every day, they don't. I mean, they're hardcore. I'm hardcore,

1192
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 3: but I can sit all day no problem when I

1193
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 3: know it's the right day. When it's not the right day,

1194
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 3: it's extremely hard for me to sit all day. Those

1195
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 3: are I'm probably gonna still hunt those days. I'm not

1196
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 3: gonna hunt all day. I'm not going to get two

1197
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to go into those stands that

1198
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,959
Speaker 3: are hung course that I would never go into other

1199
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: than those few day windows. And I'm going to mentally

1200
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 3: conserve until it's right because I'd rather put in five

1201
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 3: all day sits from November seventh to the you know twelfth,

1202
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 3: then burn myself out and then only do half day

1203
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 3: sits in those in those days. So there's some, there's some.

1204
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 3: There's some mental battles there and stuff I personally would

1205
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 3: not get too rammy, yet I would so. And here's,

1206
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: in my opinion, the biggest key to hunting that part

1207
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: of the rut or you know the rut as people

1208
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 3: know it. You know, deer looking for dose that if

1209
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 3: you reverse engineer it from a deer's nose. They're using

1210
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 3: their nose to find dose. A lot of people say,

1211
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 3: you know, buck, deer walk into the wind, you know,

1212
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 3: quartered into the wind all the time. I don't think

1213
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 3: they do that. I've seen them walking in the wind

1214
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 3: in their back when their mindset is just food. They're

1215
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 3: not using their nose if they're not highly pressured and

1216
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: they have to walk around like they can't. I mean,

1217
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 3: it's almost impossible they're just walking into the wind all

1218
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: the time. But when that light switch changes and they're

1219
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: looking for a dough, they're using their nose. So I'm

1220
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 3: looking to hunt dough betting areas on the downwind side

1221
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 3: of those dough betting areas. And that's where some manipulation

1222
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: can get really good, because when you can create thickets,

1223
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 3: not the whole wood lot, but when you can go

1224
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: in and hingecut, you know, places that are engineered around

1225
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 3: access a huntable tree, and you put that little puff

1226
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 3: quarter acre whatever on a south azing point in the

1227
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 3: woods or whatever. When you put it in the right

1228
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 3: spot and it's upwind and it becomes thick enough where

1229
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 3: they can't see a dough editing it, they have to

1230
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 3: use their nose. You can create what is essentially like

1231
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: kill food plots. They're betting areas with strategy. So now

1232
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 3: you're sitting on the downwind side of a game of

1233
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: Connect the dots, and when he gets Rammy and wants

1234
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 3: to go find dose, he's liable to hit every single

1235
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: one of those you know, dough betting areas on your

1236
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 3: farm in one in one walk, and when he comes

1237
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 3: to one that he can't see with his eyes, he's

1238
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 3: coming to the downwind side of it. So always in

1239
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 3: the ruck, always thinking like a deer, and the way

1240
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 3: that they use their nose, you know that, and hunting

1241
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 3: food sources obviously where those are going to be at.

1242
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: But you know, I just I've literally committed to try

1243
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 3: my hardest when November one rolls around to not get

1244
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 3: in a box line anymore. Like I want to be

1245
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 3: able to see and hear. They are going to spend

1246
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 3: more hours of their daylight time in cover in the woods,

1247
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 3: navigating looking for does. Then they're going to spend out

1248
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 3: there on a food source. Not to say I won't

1249
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: on it in the evening, but you want your eye

1250
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 3: in the October box line is key tool. You got

1251
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 3: light and variable winds, you got thermals, they will screw

1252
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 3: you more often. I mean, it is so important to

1253
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 3: have sanfree blinds in October. If possible November, I will

1254
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 3: literally have tree stand hung above my line and I'll

1255
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 3: be in it because I want my eyes. I want

1256
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 3: my ears. I want to feel the like energy of

1257
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 3: the woods. I don't call much, you know, but when

1258
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 3: I can feel it all of a sudden, that a

1259
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: light switch. We've all seen it happen, like something is

1260
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 3: going on today. There's bucks everywhere just like what I feel.

1261
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 3: That is when I might you know, call or whatever.

1262
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't want to be in a

1263
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 3: box line in the in the rut in that time

1264
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 3: of the year when they're looking for dose, and I

1265
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 3: want to always be where dose are because that's where

1266
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 3: they're going and I want to be on the downwind

1267
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 3: side of where those doughs are are in the woods.

1268
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 3: Pinch Points are great, especially when you can engineer one

1269
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 3: of those thickets in a pinch point with good access

1270
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 3: and a huntble tree.

1271
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's expand on some of the setup discussion you've

1272
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: got going here with the rut. Let's say that's this

1273
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 2: time period rut time period first week or two of November.

1274
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: Let's say it's Illinois somewhere, you know, but it's an

1275
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 2: all timber piece. You're hunting zero ad. You're at least

1276
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: that you can hunt. You just got a big block

1277
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: of timber. Let's call it like a rectangular hundred and

1278
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 2: let's say it's got rolling topography, mixed hardwoods and a

1279
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 2: small creek that's kind of winding right down the middle.

1280
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 2: So it's pretty simple the picture right in that scenario.

1281
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 2: Can you walk me through a hypothetical ideal rut stand

1282
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: setup or two? Given that simple scenario, how you would

1283
01:09:59,000 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: try to hunt something like that?

1284
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 3: So like a farm that I'm going I'm gonna go

1285
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 3: scout and hang stuff for like that week or something,

1286
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 3: I already know the layout to it, Well.

1287
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 2: You can you can do either one. Basically, what I'm

1288
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: interested is like how would you hunt a proper like

1289
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 2: that for someone who's got just timber.

1290
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 3: If I already know the farm, you know, I'm I'm

1291
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: gonna have an idea where the dough betting areas are,

1292
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 3: and I'm just gonna hunt those if they're thick. You know,

1293
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna set up on the downwind side

1294
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: of that cover. If I've got like, ah, you know,

1295
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be low in those bottoms because the

1296
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 3: wind is gonna be wonky and stuff. If I got

1297
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 3: ridge ridgetops intersect their killer you know, old fences in

1298
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 3: the woods. But just always always thinking about the nose. Thing.

1299
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 3: Like we've done a lot of consolets for people where

1300
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 3: they bring as to a spot that we already are

1301
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 3: looking at on the map of it's obvious and they

1302
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 3: got to stand there and we're like and they're like,

1303
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 3: we just don't ever see any big deer out of here.

1304
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 3: We get pictures of them, we just don't see many

1305
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 3: big ones. And we're like, because your stand is on

1306
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 3: the wrong side of the spot, you're hunting the spot

1307
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 3: with the wind, good for you, But he's got no

1308
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 3: reason to be here because he's on the other side

1309
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 3: of all all this cover, you know what I mean,

1310
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 3: So so always always thinking about the wind in their

1311
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 3: nose and as a macro like looking at the farm

1312
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 3: like if I got this wind, what what spots is

1313
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 3: he going to want to be at? Looking for those

1314
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 3: based off the wind, you know? Yeah, I mean that's

1315
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 3: that That is like powerful ruts, you know, because I

1316
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 3: used to as you evolved for as a deer hunter,

1317
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 3: it's just like you know, pinch points, funnels, you know,

1318
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 3: and that's all great because you're touching them, kind of

1319
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 3: be bopping around to those spots. But that's more predictable,

1320
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, hunting the downward side of things.

1321
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's another one that a lot of people face

1322
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: during this time period. And you know, within the deer

1323
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: hunting community these days, there is a there's a lot

1324
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 2: of buzz and trendiness around being really mobile, bouncing around

1325
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: a lot, moving around a lot, and I would say,

1326
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: from the outside looking in, it seems like you might

1327
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 2: be more. You know, you've got very well planned out locations.

1328
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: You have a lot of preset stands, box blinds, You've

1329
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 2: manipulated terrain to have you know, things happening in specific

1330
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 2: places for specific reasons that you know about. So I'm

1331
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: going to make the assumption that you might be more

1332
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: of a hey, i'm sticking it out here kind of guy.

1333
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 2: But I want to lay out the scenario and see

1334
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 2: what you would do. Let's say you're hunting during the

1335
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: rut you're on, you know, one of these properties you've

1336
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: hunted in the past, and you see a shooter buck

1337
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 2: cruising out side of range during the rut. You see

1338
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 2: a mature buck that you want to shoot doing something

1339
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: outside of range from where you are, and then you

1340
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: see a younger buck do the same thing later. Let's

1341
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 2: say this is the morning of a cold November day.

1342
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: Do you move to chase a buck siding like that

1343
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 2: that day or the next day or something, or do

1344
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 2: you stick to whatever it is you're doing despite an

1345
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: observation you know that's confirmed by at least two bucks

1346
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 2: doing the same thing.

1347
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, believe it or not. A lot of the farms,

1348
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 3: like we develop and stuff a lot of them by

1349
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 3: the time they're developed, their their soul. So it's either

1350
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: like a farm that I I own and not much

1351
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 3: has been done. So I'm kind of hunting in old

1352
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 3: school anyway. So yeah, actually, believe it or not. More

1353
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 3: of my hunting is pretty mobile. I mean, if if

1354
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 3: I have obviously we build stuff for those magical days

1355
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 3: in October and are pretty obvious, I mean, because you're

1356
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 3: those setups are you were trying to set them up

1357
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 3: around you know, the wind direction and the thermals. You know,

1358
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 3: so and that's a big thing is setting up your

1359
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 3: setups so with especially in October, I'm always looking at

1360
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 3: this struck the terrain and where the thermals are gonna

1361
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 3: go because they will overpower the wind in October almost

1362
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 3: every evening. I mean, so it's really important to have

1363
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 3: your wind direction lined up with the thermals. But that

1364
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 3: being said, in October, yeah, I'm trying to be in

1365
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,879
Speaker 3: box line because they hedge the wind, they up odds

1366
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 3: usually they're in those setups. But I got a I

1367
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 3: got about ten or a dozen novacs in my and

1368
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 3: I make sure they're all back in my house hanging

1369
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 3: up on the wall when I go into the season

1370
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 3: because more often than not, and actually I've gotten to

1371
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 3: the point, especially on like permission pieces and leases and stuff,

1372
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 3: I don't even pre hang stuff anymore because I just

1373
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: it feels like, oh ways, I'm you know, run, I'm

1374
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 3: running and gunning and moving and I'm in some crazy

1375
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 3: little four inch tree and so yeah, I actually believe

1376
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 3: or not. I run. I run and gun a lot,

1377
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 3: I think partially because a lot of those the fully

1378
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 3: developed stuff is already sold or we get people the

1379
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 3: right to hunt it while they're under contract and stuff

1380
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 3: like that. So I love running, gun and I love

1381
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 3: all the mobile you know, I'm not a saddle hunter.

1382
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 3: I bought one, i haven't used it yet. I love

1383
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff that these guys are doing.

1384
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 3: Like I've you know, I've got just utilizing a lot

1385
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 3: of the lightweight stuff and the you know, the the

1386
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 3: am steel or whatever, and the stuff is really cool

1387
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,480
Speaker 3: and it's all that stuff is all layers a strategy,

1388
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 3: you know, being mobile. I think being mobile is being

1389
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 3: able to get in crooked trees. And that's so key because,

1390
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 3: like I was saying, it's better to be in the

1391
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 3: wrong tree in the right spot and the right tree

1392
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 3: and the wrong spot. And I won't sacrifice that for.

1393
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 2: Ten feet.

1394
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll get in a four inch tree and

1395
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 3: bring cedar branches up in there and be eight feet

1396
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 3: off the ground before I'll be in the perfect tree

1397
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 3: if it's if I feel like it's off by fifteen

1398
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 3: d you know, so being mobiles, it's just.

1399
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 2: So would you chase that observation then you see that

1400
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: shooter buck and a younger buck, you know, fifty yards

1401
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 2: out of range? Do you move for that afternoon or

1402
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 2: for the next morning.

1403
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 3: You know, I would try, and I wouldn't just play

1404
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 3: the game of you know, he goes there, I go there,

1405
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 3: he goes there, because that you know, that doesn't generally

1406
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 3: pan out. I would try and get in the mindset

1407
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 3: of what he was doing and why he was there.

1408
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 3: You know, if it's the beginning of November especially, and

1409
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 3: and he's in there, I'm just pumped he's in the area.

1410
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you know that that's half the battle. I mean,

1411
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 3: you got to you got to count your blessings when

1412
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 3: you have a big deal, because that's the hardest thing

1413
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 3: about killing Big Year is having a big deer at hunt.

1414
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 3: So when you it's like every time I'm on when

1415
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm so lucky that's gonna be the last one,

1416
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 3: you know, because it is it's like it's just so

1417
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 3: you know, it's like it's just surreal. You know, so

1418
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't chase him just to chase him. I would

1419
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 3: try and figure out why he's there. If it's November,

1420
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 3: I would definitely not be chasing him unless there was

1421
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 3: a specific strategic reason to be chasing him, because you

1422
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 3: know the next day he's bound to be somewhere. I mean,

1423
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 3: you know, I would. I'd rather sit for five days

1424
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 3: in a row and not see him in a spot

1425
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 3: that I know he has to eventually go. I don't

1426
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 3: even care if he's a mile away. Eventually he's gonna

1427
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 3: be there, and I'm gonna I'm gonna use probability to

1428
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 3: kill him. When you go bouncing around and you you know,

1429
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 3: and you you are hunting multiple deer, I'm gonna go

1430
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 3: hunt this deer and I'm gonna go this farm, hunt

1431
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 3: this dear night that just killed your odds. I when

1432
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 3: I get on deer, I focus on that deer, and

1433
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 3: I do not. I don't go and start hunting another deer.

1434
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 3: I odds and probability will always work in your favor.

1435
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense. Certainly has seemed to work pretty

1436
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: well for you based on that wall in your in

1437
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 2: your house or wherever that is, your barn, I've seen

1438
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 2: this picture of the beautiful high vaulted ceilings, the wood,

1439
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 2: the wood paneling, and a whole little, bigger accent.

1440
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 4: There.

1441
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: Something's working.

1442
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, it's still a struggle. There's I

1443
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 3: tell people that everything works, all the strategies work. They

1444
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 3: just don't work all the time. Everything works. There is

1445
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 3: no right or wrong in deer hunting. All there is

1446
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 3: is is probability and strategy and and you know, numbers

1447
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 3: and stacking.

1448
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: Off figuring out what works in your circumstances and for

1449
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 2: your goals and and all that kind of stuff. So, Bob,

1450
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 2: you made it through. You survived though. What would you do? Gauntlet?

1451
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 2: But there's one last quick face here. There's a set

1452
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 2: of rapid fire questions that I got to run you

1453
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: through to try to close the sucker out. Okay, so

1454
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a quick question and you

1455
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: can only answer with one ant with one word answer. Okay,

1456
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a yes or no or this or that. Okay,

1457
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: no explanation allowed. All Right, here we go. Would you

1458
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 2: take a fifty yard shot at a white tail with

1459
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 2: your bow? Yes or no? In my younger years, if

1460
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: you could only have one of these tools to use

1461
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 2: for all your hunts for the rest of your life.

1462
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: You can only pick one. Would you take a set

1463
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 2: of radomy antlers or grunt tube gun expandable or fixed

1464
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 2: Blaye broadheads?

1465
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 3: No doubt?

1466
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 2: Should you stop a buck with some kind of sound

1467
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 2: before shooting if he's walking?

1468
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 3: Situational?

1469
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 2: If you could only pick one food plot crop to

1470
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: use for all your food plots for the rest of

1471
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 2: the time, only one seed type, what would you pick?

1472
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 3: Porn?

1473
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: Which state has better hunters? North Carolina, New York or Illinois?

1474
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: They're all different, true, And here's your last one. This

1475
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 2: one you can this one you can expand on just

1476
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: a little bit. Let's say that I rule the world

1477
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 2: and I have control over your hunting rights and privileges,

1478
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you that I'm going to

1479
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 2: take away your hunting license for the rest of your

1480
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 2: life if you cannot kill a mature buck this year.

1481
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: So you got to kill mature buck this year in

1482
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 2: order to preserve your hunting rights for the rest of

1483
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 2: your life. But here's the trick. I'm only giving you

1484
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 2: one day to get that mature buck killed. So a

1485
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: what I need to do is tell me what date

1486
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 2: on the calendar you're gonna pick this year to kill

1487
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: your mature buck, and then paint me a picture of

1488
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 2: the stand site you would pick for that day that

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01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: you think would give you the absolute best chance to

1490
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 2: kill mature buck on that date to save the rest

1491
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 2: of your hunts for the rest of your life.

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01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 3: Well, if if I could pick the high pressure day

1493
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 3: leading up to the full moon, it was a twenty

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01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 3: fifth of October, that's the day, hands down, I would pick,

1495
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 3: and I would hunt the scrape on the food source

1496
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 3: that the big deer has been going to. Hands down.

1497
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 3: If I had to pick a random date, I would

1498
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 3: pick November eleventh, if I just had to pick a random.

1499
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: Day, going for that best chance to catch a cruiser.

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01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 3: Just because it's yeah, yeah, yeah, now a maturitier, the

1501
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 3: most maturedier in the woods. And I'm going a little

1502
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 3: rabbit hole here. My theory and philosophy is that you

1503
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 3: have a bell curve of doze that come in and

1504
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 3: it peeks out around November fourteen or whatever in Illinois.

1505
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 3: The most mature dominant deer in the woods, he's got

1506
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 3: to search for it when the bell curve is down here.

1507
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 3: And then when he loses her and gets another one.

1508
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 3: There's more options and more options, so he can be

1509
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 3: harder to kill in the time that's the best for

1510
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 3: a big buck in general. And then the post lockdown

1511
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 3: cruise phase like November sixth, seventeenth, seventeenth, eighteenth, nineteenth, I

1512
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 3: think can be the best time in the actual dose

1513
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 3: seeking rut phase to kill the biggest dear in the woods. No.

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01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 3: Number seventeen twenty.

1515
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 2: Well, I like you playing, Bobby. I think you get

1516
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 2: it done. I feel confident that you'd be able to

1517
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: keep on hunting. You get your buck and you keep

1518
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 2: your hunting rights.

1519
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 3: And then there's early muzzleloader in Kansas, which is probably

1520
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: the most deadly thing in the country, and or late

1521
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 3: season in Iowa that you can bohunt on the late

1522
01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 3: muzzle or tag and that is also just insanely deadly.

1523
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 3: So there's just so much fun to have out.

1524
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 2: It's like, sure is, Yeah, you're You're Kansas Ranch. I've

1525
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 2: seen the video of that place you guys are working on.

1526
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 2: That looks like an insane place for that early Kansas muzzloder.

1527
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 3: Someday, yeah, yeah, So I'm actually getting married on on

1528
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 3: I think opening day of Kansas early Muzzloder, so I

1529
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 3: will not be out there.

1530
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: So well, congrats on the marriage. Sorry about the bad

1531
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 2: luck with the timing.

1532
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 3: That's all you.

1533
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 2: Uh you pass you pass the test swimmingly, Bobby, So

1534
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: congrats on that. And uh, you want to give folks

1535
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 2: a real quick rundown of where they can learn about

1536
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 2: your guys properties, where they can see your videos all

1537
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.

1538
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 3: Yep. So we don't do a whole ton of things

1539
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 3: on Instagram and and Facebook daily and stuff, but we

1540
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 3: have like a really good long format YouTube series where

1541
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 3: we document these farms as we develop them and stuff.

1542
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 3: So YouTube is a great place. We do have Facebook too,

1543
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 3: And then we have a website you know that. You know,

1544
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 3: we sell locks Blnes. We do consulting on helping people

1545
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 3: set their farms up. We have a big logging logging

1546
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 3: division and all that information on our website. We got

1547
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 3: lots of farms for sale on there. Good luck, awesome.

1548
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you Bobby for doing Let's really enjoyed

1549
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 2: it and keep up the work with the videos. I

1550
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 2: really enjoy them. The in depth breakdowns the farms and

1551
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 2: everything is very it's entertaining and that's very informational too,

1552
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 2: so for a white tail nerd, it's some of the best.

1553
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 3: We try and do you know, there's no one size

1554
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,799
Speaker 3: fits all, like to farms, you know, it's like there's

1555
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 3: not It's like I try and keep it interesting and

1556
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 3: situational and like just always doing something outside the box

1557
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 3: and trying things, and there's like I said, there's no

1558
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 3: right and wrong answers.

1559
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 2: Yep, it's good stuff, all right, Bobby, Well, thanks to this,

1560
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 2: good luck this season and looking forward to keeping up

1561
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 2: on Hot all goes. Thanks you too, all right, and

1562
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: that is a wrap. Thanks for tuning in. Appreciate you

1563
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 2: being a part of this community in this podcast. Stuff's

1564
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 2: only going up from here, guys. The ramp up into

1565
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: the season is coming in hot and heavy. I'm stoked

1566
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: for it. We've got four more episodes of this what

1567
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 2: would You Do series with some great hunters lined up,

1568
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 2: so we're gonna get some really good insights here over

1569
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 2: the month of August and then when we kick off

1570
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 2: the season in September. For a lot of us, it's

1571
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 2: just gonna be more and more of these deep dives

1572
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 2: into strategy with some of the best hunters in the

1573
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: world breaking down how they do, what they do and

1574
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: what we can learn from it. I am excited. Hope

1575
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 2: you are two, and until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.