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Speaker 1: have no idea of the concept of beauty. You don't

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Speaker 1: not me saying that, though it's one of the most accomplished,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rohobes. I

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Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily paraphrasing. I was almost saying it forbade him

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Speaker 1: what this particular actress is saying. But this got a

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are talking about Oscar winner Kate Winslet and

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Speaker 2: she got really real, for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 2: And she talked about how pretty much all around her

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Speaker 2: oh no, not her just really making some strong statements,

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Speaker 1: Well, is it fair to say the words? I didn't

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Speaker 1: find it to be her to sound mean no, or

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Speaker 2: Fair to say, yeah, she wasn't being mean at all.

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Speaker 2: She didn't name anyone, no.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But I thought that was worth saying. It

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Speaker 1: It wasn't. And even some of her words sounded so

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Speaker 2: Young women, but women of all ages and women who

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Speaker 2: you know, when you hear her stand strong about the

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Speaker 2: It's important to have voices like hers, being who she

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Speaker 2: That's and She's right, it's creepy, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you that I want? Damn I hate to,

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Speaker 1: but when you bring things up and it makes me stop,

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Speaker 1: And what's wrong with that? You know, that argument is there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to counter that. Right to each

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Speaker 2: think Kate Winslet's point is that she feels sad for

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Speaker 1: Wait, why do you say that even about yourself. Why

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Speaker 1: That's she's being honest, But we are also have to

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Speaker 1: To the female is under a different pressure and light

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Speaker 1: You could go to like some some Brits, right then

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Speaker 1: But Kate Wenslen again, what was the outlet she did

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Speaker 2: Yes, she said, you do not actually know what that

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Speaker 2: What idea of perfection are people aspiring to? I blame

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Speaker 2: Even though Kate Winslett speaks specifically about young actors, she

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Speaker 2: Me, yes, because I think we hear about it all

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, god, dang, come man, That's all I said.

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Speaker 2: look different. Your cheeks and like some people look better

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Speaker 2: and they like the look. I don't want to, like

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Speaker 2: do my cheek bones or my I don't I've never

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Speaker 2: done anything to my lips. I've never But I'm just

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Speaker 2: I just want to preserve my I guess my face

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Speaker 2: as much as I can.

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Speaker 1: And again the vampire thing, you've only done what you

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Speaker 1: plan on continuing that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I noticed the difference.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So really we're down to botox and morpheous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or like some sort of like a little laser

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Speaker 2: painful more what's an I plan something pulse laser? They

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Speaker 2: just like it's just to tighten your skin. So I'll

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Speaker 2: do little lasers in that kind of thing to tighten

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Speaker 2: my skin. I'll keep doing that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I applaud folks as we wrap up here.

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Speaker 1: I applaud Kate Wensley. I appreciate it because it did.

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Speaker 1: Nothing came off mean or hey kids, get off my

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Speaker 1: lawn kind of a thing.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It came off as like a sincere concern for where

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Speaker 1: we are the thing, the way things are going, and

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Speaker 1: we have to balance that in some way with a

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Speaker 1: woman's right to do what she wants correct to her

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Speaker 1: face and her body that makes her feel good and confident.

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Speaker 1: Exactly how did you balance that? I don't know, to

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Speaker 1: eat his or her own and we should just respect

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Speaker 1: people's decisions. Maybe that's it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that should be the case, and also

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Speaker 2: recognize that it's not it's not okay to constantly comment

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Speaker 2: on a woman's appearance or body, and especially say that

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Speaker 2: it's wrong whether she's too fat or too thin. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: my heart went out to Kelly Osborne who says she's

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Speaker 2: having a hard time eating after her father died. That

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Speaker 2: makes sense to me. When I'm grieving, when I'm upset,

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Speaker 2: I am the same way. I cannot eat. And she said,

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Speaker 2: that is literally what's happening, and she will her grief.

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Speaker 2: She's getting through it and she will get through it.

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Speaker 2: But if you would please stop commenting basically on her

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Speaker 2: way either way, and I appreciate that and respect that.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, two strong women who had some very I

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Speaker 2: think important opinions to share with all of us. We

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Speaker 2: hope you all enjoyed listening. I mayy roback alongside TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes and you have thought too soon,