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Speaker 1: I got a story for you. Let's hear it back
Speaker 1: in in a little town called Weymouth, Massachusetts, although in
Speaker 1: Massachusetts they probably pronounced it in some radically different way
Speaker 1: than it would be spelled we Mouth woman or wooster
Speaker 1: or something weird like that. Um, there is a woman
Speaker 1: named um Marie and Bickford, and she was a prostitute.
Speaker 1: And she was discovered on October that year murdered and
Speaker 1: brutally murdered. Actually uh, and it was quickly traced back
Speaker 1: to a guy by the name of Albert Terrell Jack
Speaker 1: the Ripper. No, but it was ripper asque. Her head
Speaker 1: was severed or almost completely severed. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: with the knife. Um. But the the reason everybody knew
Speaker 1: it was Albert terrell was because that was her boyfriend
Speaker 1: and he had left his wife for her. He was
Speaker 1: a wealthy guy in Massachusetts and he left his wife
Speaker 1: to be with Maria Anne Bickford. Um, and he wanted
Speaker 1: her to quit the quit the job, I guess you
Speaker 1: could call it. I would say that too. Well, she didn't.
Speaker 1: She liked having a an income because she didn't have
Speaker 1: to depend on any man for um, whatever she wanted,
Speaker 1: and she refused. And ironic though, because she was depending
Speaker 1: on men. Yeah, that is very ironic actually, um. She
Speaker 1: uh ultimately died, was murdered, and it was Albert Terrelle
Speaker 1: who who admitted to doing it, but he was sleepwalking.
Speaker 1: He said it was pretty thin case. But he was
Speaker 1: ultimately acquitted, even though he had set three fires in
Speaker 1: the brothel in an obvious attempt to cover up what
Speaker 1: he'd done while he was still supposedly sleepwalking. But the
Speaker 1: jury bought it. And one of the reasons they bought
Speaker 1: it was because it was a jury of wealthy white
Speaker 1: men who weren't about to put one of their own
Speaker 1: behind bars as big of a crook as he was.
Speaker 1: But secondly because in eighteen forty five, we didn't really
Speaker 1: understand sleepwalking. We didn't understand what people were capable of,
Speaker 1: We didn't understand how sleep walking worked. And I know
Speaker 1: you sent me an article as recently as a month
Speaker 1: or so ago a guy in Arizona was acquitted of
Speaker 1: sexual assault because he was sleepwalking. Right, Yeah, it was Illinois,
Speaker 1: but um, that was today. The news articles from today
Speaker 1: even better, even more recent, which makes my point even
Speaker 1: more thorough, which is we don't understand sleepwalking too terribly
Speaker 1: much more than we did in eighteen forty five as
Speaker 1: far as explaining why it happens. Right, absolutely, But there
Speaker 1: are some really interesting aspects of this, uh, this sleep
Speaker 1: disorder which is called the paras omnia, right, yes, it's
Speaker 1: that's one of many, but it's called somnambulism. Specifically, sleepwalking
Speaker 1: is and not to be confused with no, not at all. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there's an official definition if you want to look
Speaker 1: in a mental health professional handbook called Yes, Uh, you
Speaker 1: leave your bed while you're sleeping, and uh, you find
Speaker 1: it others find it difficult to wake you when you're
Speaker 1: sleep sleep walking. You can't remember what happened afterward. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're confused when you wake up, you aren't suffering from
Speaker 1: dementia or anything else physical. It's a big one, and
Speaker 1: it impairs your social life or work life, or your life.
Speaker 1: And that's for straight up sleepwalking. There are sleepwalking can
Speaker 1: be a symptom of things like dementia or Parkinson's or
Speaker 1: something like that. But that's um kind of significant and
Speaker 1: you should think that it's found in the d S
Speaker 1: M four, which is the psychological Bible, right, so it's
Speaker 1: it's considered a disorder, a disorder of arousal, I think
Speaker 1: is what it's called. Right, Yes, so chuck while you're sleeping. Um,
Speaker 1: when does this occur? When does it take place? Uh,
Speaker 1: if you're an adult or actually kids too, I think
Speaker 1: it occurs in the first third of your sleep, which
Speaker 1: is the non R E M sleep, which is when
Speaker 1: your body is, uh, you're in your deepest state of sleep,
Speaker 1: but your body is kind of awake, so you're tossing
Speaker 1: and turning a lot, but your brain is shut down.
Speaker 1: So it's sort of the opposite of rim sleep. Right,
Speaker 1: You've got non R E M N R E I'm
Speaker 1: sleep right, and Um. Usually sleepwalking occurs during the deepest part,
Speaker 1: which is what I think phase three or four or
Speaker 1: possibly three and four when, as Katie Lambert, who wrote
Speaker 1: this article put it, um, with R E M sleep,
Speaker 1: your brains active but your body is not. With non
Speaker 1: R E M sleep, which is when sleepwalking occurs, your
Speaker 1: brain is just dead to the world, but your body
Speaker 1: is still moving around, which accounts for sleepwalking. Right, perfect recap.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot. Uh. And you know your brain is
Speaker 1: is also resistant to arousal when you're asleep, So that
Speaker 1: explains why it's hard to wake somebody up when you're sleepwalking.
Speaker 1: But it's not dangerous necessarily. No, And that's a question
Speaker 1: that we should probably just go ahead and answer. Should
Speaker 1: you wake a sleepwalker? You've you've heard warnings against that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, I think on everything from the Brady
Speaker 1: Bunch to Hawaii five. Oh. Let's say, okay, uh, myth
Speaker 1: Yes you can wake a sleepwalker. But the rule I
Speaker 1: put in is wake a sleepwalker like you would want
Speaker 1: to be awakened just from bed. Don't go shaking them
Speaker 1: or anything. You wouldn't do that somebody laying in bed
Speaker 1: asleep either, they'll probably have a heart attack, so be
Speaker 1: gentle and try and guide them back to the bed.
Speaker 1: If they wake up, that's fine. But it's not it's
Speaker 1: not like a danger. They're not gonna have a heart
Speaker 1: attack if they and die if they're awake from sleepwalking. No,
Speaker 1: but you could arouse their startle response, and um, they
Speaker 1: are going to be confused and not know what's going on. That's,
Speaker 1: like you said, one of the symptoms of sleep walking. Um.
Speaker 1: But if you do manage to get the sleepwalker back
Speaker 1: to bed and they lie back down and that's it,
Speaker 1: you can pretty much rest assured that there's not gonna
Speaker 1: be another incident like that because most people sleepwalk only
Speaker 1: once per night. Interestingly, that's what they say, and thirty
Speaker 1: seconds to a half hour. I've heard it even longer
Speaker 1: than that, because it very much depends on what's going
Speaker 1: on or maybe what you feel like you have to
Speaker 1: get done while you're walking around in your sleep. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be sort of zombiefied, but you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: walking around with your arms out in front of you
Speaker 1: like in the movies. That's a bunch of bunk um,
Speaker 1: and you're probably gonna be pretty clumsy, but you can
Speaker 1: still perform activities, which is kind of the weird thing
Speaker 1: about it. One of the weird things about it, right,
Speaker 1: you just perform them clumsily or you oddly. I guess
Speaker 1: there's another way to put it. UM and sleepwalking is
Speaker 1: one of these. It's a hilarious disorder really because it's
Speaker 1: not generally that dangerous, so it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: that dangerous, although it can put you in dangerous situations,
Speaker 1: and people have been hurt um in sleepwalking. But the
Speaker 1: idea of just, you know, interacting with somebody with a
Speaker 1: glassy eyed look on their face who's clumsily playing the guitar,
Speaker 1: it's that's a funny disorder. It's funnier than chance. I
Speaker 1: haven't either. I've never been much of a sleepwalker. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever sleepwalked. I've sleepwalked, but I've never
Speaker 1: interacted with someone who was sleepwalking. So yeah, I've done
Speaker 1: it myself. Though. It's good. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: But it's one of these conditions where we have all
Speaker 1: this evidence, in all this data, we just haven't been
Speaker 1: able to fully put it together to figure it out
Speaker 1: once and for all, which makes for a better podcast
Speaker 1: for us. Right. Um, A little bit more data that
Speaker 1: we have on at Chuck is that um sleepwalking tends
Speaker 1: to run in families, children sleepwalk more than adults by far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're ten times more likely if your family, Uh, if
Speaker 1: you have a family member who has sleptwalked to be
Speaker 1: a sleepwalker yourself. So is it slept walked or sleepwalked
Speaker 1: slept walk Sure, that sounds good to me. We'll just
Speaker 1: call it s W past tense. Uh. It more often
Speaker 1: is founding kids. Obviously it's something you usually outgrow. Uh.
Speaker 1: More often identical twins, which I thought was pretty interesting. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: gene expression at all. And uh, I think they said
Speaker 1: adults two point five to four percent of adults sleepwalk,
Speaker 1: and this is they're almost always adults who sleptwalked as children.
Speaker 1: And if you start sleepwalking for the first time as
Speaker 1: an adult, you might want to get that checked out.
Speaker 1: You definitely want to get that checked out, because again,
Speaker 1: it can be a symptom of another another problem like UM, Parkinson's,
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's UM. Severe stress I think has been associated with it,
Speaker 1: not just in children or not adults, but children too,
Speaker 1: which I'm I was kind of like, if you have
Speaker 1: a child who's suffering from sleepwalking and it's stress related,
Speaker 1: what are you doing to your poor kid? To where
Speaker 1: you the kids suffering from such stress that he's running
Speaker 1: around at night. Absolutely, I wonder what I was stressed about.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I find it odd that you
Speaker 1: haven't asked me about sleepwalking yet, even though I said
Speaker 1: three times that have slept walked. And I'm trying to
Speaker 1: drum up the tension. Uh. They used to think that, um,
Speaker 1: it was like an epileptic thing or hysteria. Well, it
Speaker 1: still is associated with epilepsy. Actually, hysteria is kind of
Speaker 1: about the window though. Yeah, they still think it's caused
Speaker 1: by epilepsy, though it's associated with it still. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did not know that we should change this article. Uh.
Speaker 1: And like you said, no one knows exactly why it's happening, um,
Speaker 1: but they can just say kind of what goes on
Speaker 1: when it does happen, right, right, We have all this
Speaker 1: information that hasn't been fully put together, which again I
Speaker 1: find fascinating. Yeah, absolutely so, Chuck. Um, what are some
Speaker 1: of the I guess competing theories for why we sleepwalk? Uh, Well,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of people think it's just like you're
Speaker 1: in a transition stage between being awake and being asleep.
Speaker 1: So if you've got a dead brain, we'll not dead.
Speaker 1: If you've got a very sleepy brain and a very
Speaker 1: wired body, uh, you could potentially get triggered. They think
Speaker 1: a lot of times. I saw this one study where um,
Speaker 1: they took ten sleepwalkers and um they they kept them
Speaker 1: awake for more than twenty four hours and then allowed
Speaker 1: them to sleep, and they found that a buzzer going off.
Speaker 1: All ten people got up and slept walked when they
Speaker 1: heard this buzzer. Weird. After sleep deprivation and before during
Speaker 1: just regular sleep, three out of ten were triggered by
Speaker 1: the buzzer. So they think that like any noise like
Speaker 1: a dog barking outside could like wake you up, wake
Speaker 1: your body up, and send you doing whatever. Uh. And
Speaker 1: sleep deprivation is a magic term as far as sleepwalking goes.
Speaker 1: They found that UM sleepwalking increases dramatically and in studies
Speaker 1: when they're sleep deprived, when the person sleep deprived first.
Speaker 1: And they recommend also that if your kid um is sleepwalking,
Speaker 1: you should not only decrease their stress somehow, maybe let
Speaker 1: them give up the trumpet if they really hate it, um,
Speaker 1: but also to get them on like a regular sleep
Speaker 1: schedule too, that that could be part of it as well.
Speaker 1: That they may just be sleep deprived and stressed out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: adults kids for show. Um. Another theory with the kids
Speaker 1: is that there's all kinds of crazy hormones being shot
Speaker 1: about the body during the night and that that may
Speaker 1: disrupt the kid And that's why that would explain why
Speaker 1: it like tapers off after puberty. Yes. Um, have you
Speaker 1: ever liked done something to say, driving or walking or
Speaker 1: doing anything where you realized you got somewhere and you
Speaker 1: hadn't been paying attention. You didn't really It wasn't like
Speaker 1: you're blacked out or you're drunk or impaired or anything,
Speaker 1: but you were just distracted or doing something else, daydreaming. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So I would imagine that that has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with how we could possibly sleepwalk. It's like maybe
Speaker 1: more basic part of our brain is activated, like the
Speaker 1: brainstem with that controls like breathing, walking, that kind of stuff. Correct,
Speaker 1: So maybe it's all brainstem makes sense to me. Uh,
Speaker 1: people have actually killed people in their sleep, like you
Speaker 1: said the first guy, Uh, there was someone else too,
Speaker 1: And it kind of depends on the case. From what
Speaker 1: I've seen, some of them get acquitted, some of them
Speaker 1: get convicted. One guy stabbed his wife forty five times
Speaker 1: and he was convicted. Another guy I murdered his father
Speaker 1: and he was acquitted. So I guess it's sort of
Speaker 1: a crap shoot. There hasn't been any You can't go
Speaker 1: to a law book and say, well, we gotta we
Speaker 1: have the sleepwalking defense, like the insanity plea. No, but um,
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, you could probably find the same
Speaker 1: um state witness or defense witness in the acquittals or
Speaker 1: or um convictions. But there's some like great professional witness
Speaker 1: out there, like can convince any jury that actually, if
Speaker 1: you're sleepwalking, can't You can't possibly know what you're doing right. Well,
Speaker 1: the guy from Illinois last week that was acquitted was
Speaker 1: I think they proved that he had a long history
Speaker 1: of sleepwalking. And this was some friend of his. He
Speaker 1: like went out drinking with her and slept crashed on
Speaker 1: her couch and then he said he woke up to
Speaker 1: some guy punching him in the face. She said that
Speaker 1: guy was the guy I called because you were assaulting
Speaker 1: me in my sleep and he was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: mean it, and they said, okay. Yeah. It took him
Speaker 1: like a couple of hours or something to decide. The
Speaker 1: jury Yeah, that was really fast too. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There has to have been somebody who convinced them and
Speaker 1: just laid it all out for him, because it's not
Speaker 1: like the average juror knows a lot about sleep walking.
Speaker 1: It's all you know, the cabinet of Dr Kelgary or
Speaker 1: again the Brady bunch. Yeah, who Who's who was that?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I just remember there was a sleepwalking episode,
Speaker 1: and it seems like I could be making it up.
Speaker 1: You talked about injury, and I saw a study in
Speaker 1: England that eleven percent of people that responded sleepwalkers said
Speaker 1: they have been injured. And it's usually like bruising or cuts,
Speaker 1: but I think eleven percent of that eleven percent actually
Speaker 1: broke bones well, which is not a happy way to
Speaker 1: wake up up with its um chuck. Sleepwalking is not
Speaker 1: the only paris omnia. Remember we called it paras omnia.
Speaker 1: It's a sleep disorder. There are other parasomnias, and the
Speaker 1: first that I think we should talk about is called
Speaker 1: somnambulistic sexual behavior inexplicably um abbreviated as SPS. Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the beast stands for. I guess that's
Speaker 1: part of the ballistic Maybe that's the Spanish um. The
Speaker 1: Spanish abbreviation it's somnambulistic behavior sex you all. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: sleep sex or sexsomnia is um. Like Katie says in here,
Speaker 1: it's pretty much what you think. It's being asleep in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and either you know, masturbating
Speaker 1: or doing something to whoever is nearby, right, sexually, yes,
Speaker 1: and again that can lead you to an assault conviction,
Speaker 1: or you can wake up very happy, depending on the situation. Right.
Speaker 1: And then of course there's the very very famous sleep eating,
Speaker 1: which one generally associates these days with the sleep aid
Speaker 1: ambient right, Yeah, eating all kinds of crazy things with
Speaker 1: ambient cigarettes and raw meat. I think we've talked about
Speaker 1: it before. It seems like, yeah, we've talked about it.
Speaker 1: Kristen Conger rode article on it, and um, apparently the
Speaker 1: chemical zolpidem in ambient like crosses the eating and the
Speaker 1: sleeping wires and like one in a thousand people and
Speaker 1: they don't know why. But I also found another stat
Speaker 1: that said one and one percent of people have sleep
Speaker 1: eating disorders anyway, so I can't you know, Well, there's
Speaker 1: reports of people who have been on ambient and then
Speaker 1: switched to another similar drug, and it said that it
Speaker 1: all went away. There, sleep eating, abnormal sleep behavior. And
Speaker 1: then there was the first case of well the first
Speaker 1: documented case of a woman who is on ambient UM
Speaker 1: who sleep emailed and I can't stand the um the
Speaker 1: term the media gave it, but z mailing with three ze. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's completely awful. Uh yeah, that was pretty cool because
Speaker 1: she emailed. She fired up her computer in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, logged in to the internet. Onto the internet,
Speaker 1: she had to UM user password to use her password,
Speaker 1: and sent several emails that apparently were a random mix
Speaker 1: of upper and lower cases, and they were written in
Speaker 1: some strange language. Although when I read the first email,
Speaker 1: it didn't seem very strange to me at all. Uh No,
Speaker 1: it said, um, this is a quote, come tomorrow and
Speaker 1: sort this hellhole out. Dinner and drinks four pm. Bring
Speaker 1: wine and caviare only it seems like a very normal
Speaker 1: email to me. I've sent that same very same email before.
Speaker 1: What about the second one? Yeah, one said what the
Speaker 1: dot dot dot? I think, but it was the mix
Speaker 1: of all caps in lower case that really just kinda
Speaker 1: that had to be a little off putting to see that.
Speaker 1: It looks like brain damage, you know, it's like brain
Speaker 1: damage and text form. She's probably seen a doctor by
Speaker 1: this point, I would say, although she was on ambient right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well that probably explains that zolpi um like you said.
Speaker 1: And then also, uh, this week, very sadly, a guy fell.
Speaker 1: He basically walked off of his third story hotel room
Speaker 1: in Majorca and just like broke a leg and hit
Speaker 1: his head too, and hit his head and his girlfriend
Speaker 1: just like this, she woke up to find her boyfriend
Speaker 1: had gone out the window. Awful. That's more than a bruise,
Speaker 1: my friend. And if you like connecting podcasts, there was
Speaker 1: a guy um in England in hart old Pool, right
Speaker 1: and on um Holy Island, at the Crowning Anchor on
Speaker 1: Holy Island off north the Northumberland coast. He woke up
Speaker 1: in quicksand actually he's sleep he's he drank too much.
Speaker 1: But then he's he sleepwalked. He s w pass tensed
Speaker 1: um into the marsh land and found himself waking up
Speaker 1: in the sinking and quicksandard and trapped in quicksand crazy.
Speaker 1: And the guy was smart enough to know that you
Speaker 1: stopped struggling and lie flat. And if he would listen,
Speaker 1: was a fan, wouldn't that be something It's possible, Chuck,
Speaker 1: because this just happened, right, it was m August eleven.
Speaker 1: H I wonder so, as sleepwalker Stephen Rook, if you
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, let us know if we saved
Speaker 1: your life and put the bottle down in the stakes. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: he said he did. He said he spent the next
Speaker 1: day in bed and uh, he was avoiding alcohol for
Speaker 1: a long time and wants to thank everyone. A friend said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll be back on the sauce this weekend. Totally. I've
Speaker 1: said that before too. My uncle, actually it was a
Speaker 1: famous sleepwalker in my family. He um, my uncle Steve,
Speaker 1: who you know as the guy who's helped us out
Speaker 1: before with some stuff, the guy we bought Scotch four
Speaker 1: a k A. Uh. He had a few incidents is
Speaker 1: when he was young, and one time they found tracks
Speaker 1: in the snow leading from his house, so he went
Speaker 1: Apparently he said he went outside see if it was snowing.
Speaker 1: Another time he fell asleep on a couch after school,
Speaker 1: got up an eate dinner, and then later on woke
Speaker 1: up and said, Hey, what's for dinner tonight? And they're like,
Speaker 1: you just had scallops? And another time specific that's what
Speaker 1: he said, I asked him today. Uh. And then another
Speaker 1: time he was going to the store with my grandfather
Speaker 1: and he fell asleep in the car on the way
Speaker 1: to the store and then woke up like in the
Speaker 1: shop that they were going to, like at the counter
Speaker 1: paying for something weird. What was he buying? I think
Speaker 1: he said tickets to like a Danny Thomas benefit show
Speaker 1: or something. It's like the early sixties. Yeah, that's pretty
Speaker 1: much everybody was sleepwalking in that line. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: hot ticket in MEMPHISO back in the day. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, And I used to sleepwalk, all right, let's
Speaker 1: hear well. A couple of times I'd gotten up and
Speaker 1: just gone out to my We had a split level,
Speaker 1: so I'd go out to the banister overlooking our den
Speaker 1: and just start yelling things. And um, another time I
Speaker 1: specifically remember I got up. I mean I remember after it, obviously,
Speaker 1: I got up and I got ready for school and
Speaker 1: took a shower and got dressed, and then I woke
Speaker 1: up the next morning. I was like, that was weird.
Speaker 1: I must have dreamt that, and I saw like the
Speaker 1: wet towel in my clothes on the floor down your head,
Speaker 1: your saddle, shoes on your like don d I was
Speaker 1: like clutching shampoo. So I don't sleep walk anymore. Them
Speaker 1: I sleep talk, though, do you? So? It's Emily. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people sleep talk. That's not a
Speaker 1: big deal. Yeah, what are you say in your sleep? Um? You?
Speaker 1: Me actually likes to use her iPhone to record me
Speaker 1: sleep talking, and she loves to share it with everybody
Speaker 1: who will listen. Has actually emailed the sound clips to
Speaker 1: people before. But there's this one of me like just
Speaker 1: muttering and all of a sudden I go do the
Speaker 1: real pop and that was I have no idea. Why
Speaker 1: why am I not on that email? That's disappointing. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm sure I could get it for you. Um. Lastly, Chuck,
Speaker 1: there's one a point that I found it fascinating, which
Speaker 1: is people have always thought and still probably think because
Speaker 1: for dumb that um you act out your dreams while
Speaker 1: you're sleepwalking. Not true. The point that Katie Lambert makes
Speaker 1: is your brain is not really active, It's it's in
Speaker 1: the slow delta wave that you couldn't possibly be dreaming in,
Speaker 1: so you're not actually acting out your dreams. But there
Speaker 1: is a disorder called R E M sleep disorder where
Speaker 1: you actually are acting out your dreams. It's the it's
Speaker 1: a sleepwalking that occurs in that in that phase of sleep,
Speaker 1: the R E M phase where your brains active but
Speaker 1: your body is not supposed to be, So you are
Speaker 1: really wound up. If you have R. E M sleep disorder,
Speaker 1: you really need to give up the trumpet immediately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when you wake up in your your dreaming that you're,
Speaker 1: you know, cutting wood for the fire, and you're like
Speaker 1: chopping your wife's leg with your hand exactly, and she guess,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? That's not what she's saying, Sam
Speaker 1: cutting wood, babe? You say, I'm correcting you. All right,
Speaker 1: Well that's it for sleepwalking. UM. I can virtually guarantee
Speaker 1: you guys will email us your sleepwalking story. So please,
Speaker 1: do you want to learn more about sleep walking? And
Speaker 1: read a page that didn't make it into this podcast
Speaker 1: at all about sleepwalking in the organically did not make
Speaker 1: it in. I guess you could call it organic. Well
Speaker 1: we didn't say, let's not include that. Just go ahead
Speaker 1: and type in sleep walking that's one word, or try
Speaker 1: s w past tense and see what happens. Um into
Speaker 1: the handy search bar at how stuff first dot Com
Speaker 1: and I said I wasn't going to use handy anymore
Speaker 1: either way. This we arrived at listener. Now that's right,
Speaker 1: Josh gonna call this uh pot growing Granny And this
Speaker 1: is from KM that's cryptic. Hi, guys, I literally just
Speaker 1: finished listening to your how grow houses work and I
Speaker 1: couldn't resist sending in this story. My grandmother has always
Speaker 1: been an avid gardener and avid gardener. She's very interested
Speaker 1: in pretty plants and had learned at some point that
Speaker 1: marijuana was a very beautiful plan in so she decided
Speaker 1: she wanted to grow some just for the sole purpose
Speaker 1: of seeing what it looked like firsthand. Now, where would
Speaker 1: a middle aged woman in eastern Pennsylvania get seeds to
Speaker 1: grow pot from my college age mother? Of course, my mom, though,
Speaker 1: was not a smoker by any means, so when she
Speaker 1: asked to find she was asked to find pot seeds,
Speaker 1: she of course pawned the task off to to her
Speaker 1: frat frat member boyfriend, who later would become my father.
Speaker 1: My father was also not a smoker, but he had
Speaker 1: a frat brother that was known to partake in this
Speaker 1: particular lifestyle, and he has always only been known as
Speaker 1: Bob Oh and my family, which I think is pretty cryptic.
Speaker 1: So Babo got him some seeds for the grandmother. She
Speaker 1: planted him began growing pot in her yard, to the
Speaker 1: dismay of my grandfather, who was good friends with the
Speaker 1: chief of police and the mayor. The plants grew beautifully
Speaker 1: in the open air of my grandmother's garden. They lived
Speaker 1: pretty close to the center of the city. As far
Speaker 1: as I know, there was no attempt to obscure them
Speaker 1: from being seen. Uh. The plug was pulled though, when
Speaker 1: my grandfather decided that come winter the world. The grandmother said,
Speaker 1: we gotta bring him inside this winter, and granddad says, no,
Speaker 1: we're not bringing those inside. So they went through the
Speaker 1: compost pod or that's what That's what the kid was
Speaker 1: told in her glaucoma got much worse, right. Yeah, well,
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