WEBVTT - How Sleepwalking Works 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.480 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:16.319 from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.079 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:25.360 It makes this stuff you should know. Um the late 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:31.760 night edition. It's late let's go and Chuck grew It 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:36.960 couldn't be better. How are you same? Just the same? So, Chuck, 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.400 I got a story for you. Let's hear it back 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:46.000 in in a little town called Weymouth, Massachusetts, although in 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.640 Massachusetts they probably pronounced it in some radically different way 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:54.440 than it would be spelled we Mouth woman or wooster 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.640 or something weird like that. Um, there is a woman 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:03.120 named um Marie and Bickford, and she was a prostitute. 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:08.160 And she was discovered on October that year murdered and 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:13.320 brutally murdered. Actually uh, and it was quickly traced back 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:18.160 to a guy by the name of Albert Terrell Jack 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.720 the Ripper. No, but it was ripper asque. Her head 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.880 was severed or almost completely severed. Yeah, and it was 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.840 with the knife. Um. But the the reason everybody knew 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.360 it was Albert terrell was because that was her boyfriend 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:34.959 and he had left his wife for her. He was 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.560 a wealthy guy in Massachusetts and he left his wife 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:41.640 to be with Maria Anne Bickford. Um, and he wanted 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.440 her to quit the quit the job, I guess you 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.240 could call it. I would say that too. Well, she didn't. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.520 She liked having a an income because she didn't have 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.920 to depend on any man for um, whatever she wanted, 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.240 and she refused. And ironic though, because she was depending 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:04.320 on men. Yeah, that is very ironic actually, um. She 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:09.600 uh ultimately died, was murdered, and it was Albert Terrelle 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.400 who who admitted to doing it, but he was sleepwalking. 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.720 He said it was pretty thin case. But he was 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.800 ultimately acquitted, even though he had set three fires in 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.320 the brothel in an obvious attempt to cover up what 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.400 he'd done while he was still supposedly sleepwalking. But the 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.480 jury bought it. And one of the reasons they bought 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.760 it was because it was a jury of wealthy white 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.400 men who weren't about to put one of their own 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.240 behind bars as big of a crook as he was. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.679 But secondly because in eighteen forty five, we didn't really 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.320 understand sleepwalking. We didn't understand what people were capable of, 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.280 We didn't understand how sleep walking worked. And I know 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.560 you sent me an article as recently as a month 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.800 or so ago a guy in Arizona was acquitted of 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.679 sexual assault because he was sleepwalking. Right, Yeah, it was Illinois, 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.760 but um, that was today. The news articles from today 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.440 even better, even more recent, which makes my point even 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.920 more thorough, which is we don't understand sleepwalking too terribly 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.040 much more than we did in eighteen forty five as 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:18.040 far as explaining why it happens. Right, absolutely, But there 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.600 are some really interesting aspects of this, uh, this sleep 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.440 disorder which is called the paras omnia, right, yes, it's 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:30.280 that's one of many, but it's called somnambulism. Specifically, sleepwalking 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:36.000 is and not to be confused with no, not at all. Uh. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.160 And there's an official definition if you want to look 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:44.400 in a mental health professional handbook called Yes, Uh, you 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.680 leave your bed while you're sleeping, and uh, you find 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.960 it others find it difficult to wake you when you're 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.760 sleep sleep walking. You can't remember what happened afterward. Uh, 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.920 you're confused when you wake up, you aren't suffering from 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.960 dementia or anything else physical. It's a big one, and 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.680 it impairs your social life or work life, or your life. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.920 And that's for straight up sleepwalking. There are sleepwalking can 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.280 be a symptom of things like dementia or Parkinson's or 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.840 something like that. But that's um kind of significant and 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.840 you should think that it's found in the d S 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:25.040 M four, which is the psychological Bible, right, so it's 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.880 it's considered a disorder, a disorder of arousal, I think 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:34.760 is what it's called. Right, Yes, so chuck while you're sleeping. Um, 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.800 when does this occur? When does it take place? Uh, 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.920 if you're an adult or actually kids too, I think 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.600 it occurs in the first third of your sleep, which 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.479 is the non R E M sleep, which is when 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:50.440 your body is, uh, you're in your deepest state of sleep, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.960 but your body is kind of awake, so you're tossing 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.240 and turning a lot, but your brain is shut down. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.000 So it's sort of the opposite of rim sleep. Right, 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.160 You've got non R E M N R E I'm 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.839 sleep right, and Um. Usually sleepwalking occurs during the deepest part, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.760 which is what I think phase three or four or 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.440 possibly three and four when, as Katie Lambert, who wrote 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.200 this article put it, um, with R E M sleep, 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.200 your brains active but your body is not. With non 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.440 R E M sleep, which is when sleepwalking occurs, your 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.760 brain is just dead to the world, but your body 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:29.200 is still moving around, which accounts for sleepwalking. Right, perfect recap. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.360 Thanks a lot. Uh. And you know your brain is 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.400 is also resistant to arousal when you're asleep, So that 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.680 explains why it's hard to wake somebody up when you're sleepwalking. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.200 But it's not dangerous necessarily. No, And that's a question 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.560 that we should probably just go ahead and answer. Should 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.440 you wake a sleepwalker? You've you've heard warnings against that 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.360 kind of thing, I think on everything from the Brady 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:58.960 Bunch to Hawaii five. Oh. Let's say, okay, uh, myth 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.120 Yes you can wake a sleepwalker. But the rule I 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.800 put in is wake a sleepwalker like you would want 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.520 to be awakened just from bed. Don't go shaking them 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.440 or anything. You wouldn't do that somebody laying in bed 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.200 asleep either, they'll probably have a heart attack, so be 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.080 gentle and try and guide them back to the bed. 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:19.520 If they wake up, that's fine. But it's not it's 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:20.880 not like a danger. They're not gonna have a heart 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.279 attack if they and die if they're awake from sleepwalking. No, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.520 but you could arouse their startle response, and um, they 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.520 are going to be confused and not know what's going on. That's, 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.480 like you said, one of the symptoms of sleep walking. Um. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.240 But if you do manage to get the sleepwalker back 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.240 to bed and they lie back down and that's it, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.560 you can pretty much rest assured that there's not gonna 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.640 be another incident like that because most people sleepwalk only 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.640 once per night. Interestingly, that's what they say, and thirty 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.159 seconds to a half hour. I've heard it even longer 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.040 than that, because it very much depends on what's going 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.440 on or maybe what you feel like you have to 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.400 get done while you're walking around in your sleep. You're 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.440 gonna be sort of zombiefied, but you're not gonna be 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.080 walking around with your arms out in front of you 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.279 like in the movies. That's a bunch of bunk um, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.040 and you're probably gonna be pretty clumsy, but you can 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.720 still perform activities, which is kind of the weird thing 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.600 about it. One of the weird things about it, right, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:20.000 you just perform them clumsily or you oddly. I guess 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.760 there's another way to put it. UM and sleepwalking is 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.880 one of these. It's a hilarious disorder really because it's 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.360 not generally that dangerous, so it doesn't have to be 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.160 that dangerous, although it can put you in dangerous situations, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.960 and people have been hurt um in sleepwalking. But the 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.080 idea of just, you know, interacting with somebody with a 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.320 glassy eyed look on their face who's clumsily playing the guitar, 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.960 it's that's a funny disorder. It's funnier than chance. I 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.800 haven't either. I've never been much of a sleepwalker. I 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.520 don't think I've ever sleepwalked. I've sleepwalked, but I've never 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:57.600 interacted with someone who was sleepwalking. So yeah, I've done 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.360 it myself. Though. It's good. It's a lot of fun. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.880 But it's one of these conditions where we have all 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.440 this evidence, in all this data, we just haven't been 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.160 able to fully put it together to figure it out 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.480 once and for all, which makes for a better podcast 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.560 for us. Right. Um, A little bit more data that 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.360 we have on at Chuck is that um sleepwalking tends 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:22.600 to run in families, children sleepwalk more than adults by far. Yeah, 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.680 you're ten times more likely if your family, Uh, if 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.480 you have a family member who has sleptwalked to be 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:32.400 a sleepwalker yourself. So is it slept walked or sleepwalked 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.800 slept walk Sure, that sounds good to me. We'll just 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.160 call it s W past tense. Uh. It more often 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.840 is founding kids. Obviously it's something you usually outgrow. Uh. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:48.960 More often identical twins, which I thought was pretty interesting. Yeah, well, 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.720 gene expression at all. And uh, I think they said 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:56.839 adults two point five to four percent of adults sleepwalk, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:01.480 and this is they're almost always adults who sleptwalked as children. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.000 And if you start sleepwalking for the first time as 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:05.800 an adult, you might want to get that checked out. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.840 You definitely want to get that checked out, because again, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:12.520 it can be a symptom of another another problem like UM, Parkinson's, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:17.680 Alzheimer's UM. Severe stress I think has been associated with it, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.400 not just in children or not adults, but children too, 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.320 which I'm I was kind of like, if you have 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.280 a child who's suffering from sleepwalking and it's stress related, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:29.840 what are you doing to your poor kid? To where 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.160 you the kids suffering from such stress that he's running 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.680 around at night. Absolutely, I wonder what I was stressed about. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.599 I don't know, man. I find it odd that you 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.880 haven't asked me about sleepwalking yet, even though I said 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.320 three times that have slept walked. And I'm trying to 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.920 drum up the tension. Uh. They used to think that, um, 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.480 it was like an epileptic thing or hysteria. Well, it 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.599 still is associated with epilepsy. Actually, hysteria is kind of 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.800 about the window though. Yeah, they still think it's caused 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.280 by epilepsy, though it's associated with it still. Yeah, I 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:05.079 did not know that we should change this article. Uh. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:09.000 And like you said, no one knows exactly why it's happening, um, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.440 but they can just say kind of what goes on 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.800 when it does happen, right, right, We have all this 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.800 information that hasn't been fully put together, which again I 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:21.960 find fascinating. Yeah, absolutely so, Chuck. Um, what are some 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:27.160 of the I guess competing theories for why we sleepwalk? Uh, Well, 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.480 it's a lot of people think it's just like you're 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.440 in a transition stage between being awake and being asleep. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.280 So if you've got a dead brain, we'll not dead. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.520 If you've got a very sleepy brain and a very 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:42.319 wired body, uh, you could potentially get triggered. They think 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.280 a lot of times. I saw this one study where um, 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.720 they took ten sleepwalkers and um they they kept them 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.319 awake for more than twenty four hours and then allowed 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.040 them to sleep, and they found that a buzzer going off. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.360 All ten people got up and slept walked when they 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:04.000 heard this buzzer. Weird. After sleep deprivation and before during 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.160 just regular sleep, three out of ten were triggered by 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.760 the buzzer. So they think that like any noise like 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.800 a dog barking outside could like wake you up, wake 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:17.640 your body up, and send you doing whatever. Uh. And 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.840 sleep deprivation is a magic term as far as sleepwalking goes. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:27.960 They found that UM sleepwalking increases dramatically and in studies 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.840 when they're sleep deprived, when the person sleep deprived first. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:35.080 And they recommend also that if your kid um is sleepwalking, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:40.600 you should not only decrease their stress somehow, maybe let 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.720 them give up the trumpet if they really hate it, um, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.319 but also to get them on like a regular sleep 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.520 schedule too, that that could be part of it as well. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.880 That they may just be sleep deprived and stressed out. Yeah, 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:55.320 adults kids for show. Um. Another theory with the kids 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.160 is that there's all kinds of crazy hormones being shot 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.360 about the body during the night and that that may 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.559 disrupt the kid And that's why that would explain why 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.080 it like tapers off after puberty. Yes. Um, have you 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:13.560 ever liked done something to say, driving or walking or 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.240 doing anything where you realized you got somewhere and you 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.800 hadn't been paying attention. You didn't really It wasn't like 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.160 you're blacked out or you're drunk or impaired or anything, 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.840 but you were just distracted or doing something else, daydreaming. Absolutely, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:27.880 So I would imagine that that has a lot to 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.400 do with how we could possibly sleepwalk. It's like maybe 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.760 more basic part of our brain is activated, like the 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.200 brainstem with that controls like breathing, walking, that kind of stuff. Correct, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.080 So maybe it's all brainstem makes sense to me. Uh, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.400 people have actually killed people in their sleep, like you 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.040 said the first guy, Uh, there was someone else too, 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.920 And it kind of depends on the case. From what 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.600 I've seen, some of them get acquitted, some of them 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.960 get convicted. One guy stabbed his wife forty five times 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:02.120 and he was convicted. Another guy I murdered his father 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.280 and he was acquitted. So I guess it's sort of 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.040 a crap shoot. There hasn't been any You can't go 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.200 to a law book and say, well, we gotta we 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.160 have the sleepwalking defense, like the insanity plea. No, but um, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.640 I think that, uh, you could probably find the same 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:24.079 um state witness or defense witness in the acquittals or 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:29.040 or um convictions. But there's some like great professional witness 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.960 out there, like can convince any jury that actually, if 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.240 you're sleepwalking, can't You can't possibly know what you're doing right. Well, 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.280 the guy from Illinois last week that was acquitted was 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.920 I think they proved that he had a long history 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.400 of sleepwalking. And this was some friend of his. He 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.840 like went out drinking with her and slept crashed on 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.320 her couch and then he said he woke up to 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.360 some guy punching him in the face. She said that 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.679 guy was the guy I called because you were assaulting 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.560 me in my sleep and he was like, I didn't 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.320 mean it, and they said, okay. Yeah. It took him 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.679 like a couple of hours or something to decide. The 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.360 jury Yeah, that was really fast too. That's what I'm saying. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.640 There has to have been somebody who convinced them and 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.480 just laid it all out for him, because it's not 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.319 like the average juror knows a lot about sleep walking. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.280 It's all you know, the cabinet of Dr Kelgary or 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.360 again the Brady bunch. Yeah, who Who's who was that? 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.480 I don't remember. I just remember there was a sleepwalking episode, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.080 and it seems like I could be making it up. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.840 You talked about injury, and I saw a study in 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.320 England that eleven percent of people that responded sleepwalkers said 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.840 they have been injured. And it's usually like bruising or cuts, 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.080 but I think eleven percent of that eleven percent actually 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.480 broke bones well, which is not a happy way to 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:48.680 wake up up with its um chuck. Sleepwalking is not 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.960 the only paris omnia. Remember we called it paras omnia. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:58.120 It's a sleep disorder. There are other parasomnias, and the 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.640 first that I think we should talk about is called 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:08.920 somnambulistic sexual behavior inexplicably um abbreviated as SPS. Yeah, that's weird. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.680 I wonder what the beast stands for. I guess that's 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:16.360 part of the ballistic Maybe that's the Spanish um. The 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.920 Spanish abbreviation it's somnambulistic behavior sex you all. Yeah, so 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:25.800 sleep sex or sexsomnia is um. Like Katie says in here, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.000 it's pretty much what you think. It's being asleep in 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.680 the middle of the night and either you know, masturbating 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.200 or doing something to whoever is nearby, right, sexually, yes, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.840 and again that can lead you to an assault conviction, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:44.600 or you can wake up very happy, depending on the situation. Right. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.080 And then of course there's the very very famous sleep eating, 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.320 which one generally associates these days with the sleep aid 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.760 ambient right, Yeah, eating all kinds of crazy things with 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.200 ambient cigarettes and raw meat. I think we've talked about 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.160 it before. It seems like, yeah, we've talked about it. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.920 Kristen Conger rode article on it, and um, apparently the 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:10.160 chemical zolpidem in ambient like crosses the eating and the 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.280 sleeping wires and like one in a thousand people and 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.840 they don't know why. But I also found another stat 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.720 that said one and one percent of people have sleep 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.880 eating disorders anyway, so I can't you know, Well, there's 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.200 reports of people who have been on ambient and then 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.480 switched to another similar drug, and it said that it 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.480 all went away. There, sleep eating, abnormal sleep behavior. And 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.360 then there was the first case of well the first 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.480 documented case of a woman who is on ambient UM 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:44.520 who sleep emailed and I can't stand the um the 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:49.400 term the media gave it, but z mailing with three ze. Yeah, 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.640 it's completely awful. Uh yeah, that was pretty cool because 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.000 she emailed. She fired up her computer in the middle 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:59.360 of the night, logged in to the internet. Onto the internet, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.040 she had to UM user password to use her password, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.240 and sent several emails that apparently were a random mix 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.720 of upper and lower cases, and they were written in 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.080 some strange language. Although when I read the first email, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.840 it didn't seem very strange to me at all. Uh No, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.560 it said, um, this is a quote, come tomorrow and 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.240 sort this hellhole out. Dinner and drinks four pm. Bring 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.760 wine and caviare only it seems like a very normal 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.240 email to me. I've sent that same very same email before. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.480 What about the second one? Yeah, one said what the 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.160 dot dot dot? I think, but it was the mix 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:41.159 of all caps in lower case that really just kinda 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.360 that had to be a little off putting to see that. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.160 It looks like brain damage, you know, it's like brain 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.960 damage and text form. She's probably seen a doctor by 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:54.119 this point, I would say, although she was on ambient right, yeah, okay, 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.920 well that probably explains that zolpi um like you said. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.400 And then also, uh, this week, very sadly, a guy fell. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.640 He basically walked off of his third story hotel room 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:10.000 in Majorca and just like broke a leg and hit 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.840 his head too, and hit his head and his girlfriend 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.680 just like this, she woke up to find her boyfriend 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:20.760 had gone out the window. Awful. That's more than a bruise, 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.920 my friend. And if you like connecting podcasts, there was 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.600 a guy um in England in hart old Pool, right 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:36.639 and on um Holy Island, at the Crowning Anchor on 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:41.440 Holy Island off north the Northumberland coast. He woke up 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:46.000 in quicksand actually he's sleep he's he drank too much. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.919 But then he's he sleepwalked. He s w pass tensed 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:56.120 um into the marsh land and found himself waking up 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.720 in the sinking and quicksandard and trapped in quicksand crazy. 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:01.520 And the guy was smart enough to know that you 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.160 stopped struggling and lie flat. And if he would listen, 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.160 was a fan, wouldn't that be something It's possible, Chuck, 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.280 because this just happened, right, it was m August eleven. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.119 H I wonder so, as sleepwalker Stephen Rook, if you 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.800 listen to this podcast, let us know if we saved 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.560 your life and put the bottle down in the stakes. Yeah, well, 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.520 he said he did. He said he spent the next 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.560 day in bed and uh, he was avoiding alcohol for 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.840 a long time and wants to thank everyone. A friend said, yeah, 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.800 he'll be back on the sauce this weekend. Totally. I've 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.760 said that before too. My uncle, actually it was a 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.720 famous sleepwalker in my family. He um, my uncle Steve, 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.200 who you know as the guy who's helped us out 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.879 before with some stuff, the guy we bought Scotch four 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.680 a k A. Uh. He had a few incidents is 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.720 when he was young, and one time they found tracks 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.440 in the snow leading from his house, so he went 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.000 Apparently he said he went outside see if it was snowing. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:01.320 Another time he fell asleep on a couch after school, 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.359 got up an eate dinner, and then later on woke 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.760 up and said, Hey, what's for dinner tonight? And they're like, 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:13.919 you just had scallops? And another time specific that's what 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.560 he said, I asked him today. Uh. And then another 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.080 time he was going to the store with my grandfather 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.640 and he fell asleep in the car on the way 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.040 to the store and then woke up like in the 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.240 shop that they were going to, like at the counter 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.000 paying for something weird. What was he buying? I think 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.640 he said tickets to like a Danny Thomas benefit show 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.119 or something. It's like the early sixties. Yeah, that's pretty 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.840 much everybody was sleepwalking in that line. Yeah, that's a 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.480 hot ticket in MEMPHISO back in the day. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.040 oh yeah, And I used to sleepwalk, all right, let's 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.600 hear well. A couple of times I'd gotten up and 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.280 just gone out to my We had a split level, 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:52.600 so I'd go out to the banister overlooking our den 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.920 and just start yelling things. And um, another time I 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.880 specifically remember I got up. I mean I remember after it, obviously, 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.560 I got up and I got ready for school and 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.080 took a shower and got dressed, and then I woke 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:07.680 up the next morning. I was like, that was weird. 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:09.280 I must have dreamt that, and I saw like the 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.760 wet towel in my clothes on the floor down your head, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.840 your saddle, shoes on your like don d I was 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.400 like clutching shampoo. So I don't sleep walk anymore. Them 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:22.240 I sleep talk, though, do you? So? It's Emily. I 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.159 think a lot of people sleep talk. That's not a 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.680 big deal. Yeah, what are you say in your sleep? Um? You? 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.960 Me actually likes to use her iPhone to record me 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.600 sleep talking, and she loves to share it with everybody 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.920 who will listen. Has actually emailed the sound clips to 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.600 people before. But there's this one of me like just 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.320 muttering and all of a sudden I go do the 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.600 real pop and that was I have no idea. Why 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.000 why am I not on that email? That's disappointing. I 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.560 don't know. I'm sure I could get it for you. Um. Lastly, Chuck, 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.960 there's one a point that I found it fascinating, which 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.840 is people have always thought and still probably think because 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.920 for dumb that um you act out your dreams while 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:08.040 you're sleepwalking. Not true. The point that Katie Lambert makes 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.280 is your brain is not really active, It's it's in 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:14.399 the slow delta wave that you couldn't possibly be dreaming in, 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.880 so you're not actually acting out your dreams. But there 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.040 is a disorder called R E M sleep disorder where 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.960 you actually are acting out your dreams. It's the it's 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.240 a sleepwalking that occurs in that in that phase of sleep, 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.919 the R E M phase where your brains active but 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.160 your body is not supposed to be, So you are 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.280 really wound up. If you have R. E M sleep disorder, 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.800 you really need to give up the trumpet immediately. Yeah, 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.600 that's when you wake up in your your dreaming that you're, 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.119 you know, cutting wood for the fire, and you're like 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.960 chopping your wife's leg with your hand exactly, and she guess, 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:48.480 what are you doing? That's not what she's saying, Sam 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.439 cutting wood, babe? You say, I'm correcting you. All right, 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:56.480 Well that's it for sleepwalking. UM. I can virtually guarantee 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.240 you guys will email us your sleepwalking story. So please, 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.400 do you want to learn more about sleep walking? And 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.959 read a page that didn't make it into this podcast 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.160