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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know

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Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant.

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Speaker 1: It makes this stuff you should know. Um the late

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Speaker 1: night edition. It's late let's go and Chuck grew It

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Speaker 1: couldn't be better. How are you same? Just the same? So, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: I got a story for you. Let's hear it back

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Speaker 1: in in a little town called Weymouth, Massachusetts, although in

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Speaker 1: Massachusetts they probably pronounced it in some radically different way

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Speaker 1: than it would be spelled we Mouth woman or wooster

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Speaker 1: or something weird like that. Um, there is a woman

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Speaker 1: named um Marie and Bickford, and she was a prostitute.

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Speaker 1: And she was discovered on October that year murdered and

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Speaker 1: brutally murdered. Actually uh, and it was quickly traced back

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Speaker 1: to a guy by the name of Albert Terrell Jack

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Speaker 1: the Ripper. No, but it was ripper asque. Her head

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Speaker 1: was severed or almost completely severed. Yeah, and it was

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Speaker 1: and he had left his wife for her. He was

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Speaker 1: to be with Maria Anne Bickford. Um, and he wanted

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Speaker 1: her to quit the quit the job, I guess you

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Speaker 1: could call it. I would say that too. Well, she didn't.

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Speaker 1: She liked having a an income because she didn't have

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Speaker 1: uh ultimately died, was murdered, and it was Albert Terrelle

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Speaker 1: who who admitted to doing it, but he was sleepwalking.

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Speaker 1: He said it was pretty thin case. But he was

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Speaker 1: ultimately acquitted, even though he had set three fires in

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Speaker 1: the brothel in an obvious attempt to cover up what

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Speaker 1: he'd done while he was still supposedly sleepwalking. But the

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Speaker 1: jury bought it. And one of the reasons they bought

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Speaker 1: it was because it was a jury of wealthy white

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Speaker 1: men who weren't about to put one of their own

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Speaker 1: But secondly because in eighteen forty five, we didn't really

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Speaker 1: understand sleepwalking. We didn't understand what people were capable of,

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Speaker 1: We didn't understand how sleep walking worked. And I know

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Speaker 1: you sent me an article as recently as a month

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Speaker 1: sexual assault because he was sleepwalking. Right, Yeah, it was Illinois,

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Speaker 1: but um, that was today. The news articles from today

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Speaker 1: even better, even more recent, which makes my point even

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Speaker 1: more thorough, which is we don't understand sleepwalking too terribly

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Speaker 1: much more than we did in eighteen forty five as

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Speaker 1: far as explaining why it happens. Right, absolutely, But there

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Speaker 1: are some really interesting aspects of this, uh, this sleep

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Speaker 1: disorder which is called the paras omnia, right, yes, it's

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Speaker 1: that's one of many, but it's called somnambulism. Specifically, sleepwalking

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Speaker 1: is and not to be confused with no, not at all. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And there's an official definition if you want to look

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Speaker 1: in a mental health professional handbook called Yes, Uh, you

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Speaker 1: And that's for straight up sleepwalking. There are sleepwalking can

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Speaker 1: it's considered a disorder, a disorder of arousal, I think

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Speaker 1: But it's one of these conditions where we have all

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Speaker 1: for us. Right. Um, A little bit more data that

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