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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio, Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale

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Speaker 1: Lolly here with Matt Linson and Matt Um. I wrote

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Speaker 1: a pie saw today on d K Pittsburgh regarding Steelers

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator search, which had been oh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds old, already claiming that it was it was

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Speaker 1: a lazy, not complete search. Um for some reason. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Keith Butler resigned Saturday. He retired Saturday and immediately, Well,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers are just taking the lazy eight way out

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Speaker 1: with this, because everybody said, and this is still the

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Speaker 1: case at Terral Austin, there's their secondary coach and senior

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Speaker 1: defensive assistant is the likely next pick. The reason you

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Speaker 1: say that that you know many defensive coordinators the Steelers

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Speaker 1: have had in the twenty eight years they've had They've

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Speaker 1: had two defensive coordinators since two thousand and four, since

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Prior to that, they had let

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Speaker 1: me think, so two thousand uh so you had Timmy

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Speaker 1: that's been. It's pretty good. Lebou was an internal higher

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Speaker 1: outside the organization to hire. Really, if you look at it,

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Speaker 1: I guess that counts right, Keith Butler, that's been. It's

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Speaker 1: This is going back to Coward's first staff in ninety two. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's a good jumping off. Ron Earhart was on his

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Speaker 1: was the the Ray Sherman mistake from outside the organization.

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Speaker 1: He he lasted once one season and they bring in

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Speaker 1: Mike Malarkey. Uh, comes a head coach, comes a head coach. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but he was an internal higher. Ken wizzen Hunt internal higher. Yeah. Uh,

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Speaker 1: then you're looking at from after wizzen Hunt was I'm

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Speaker 1: losing train. Either way, they're in. They've they've traditionally lean

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Speaker 1: I think it makes sense. It doesn't It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: as an assistant, you groom him, he learns your roster,

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Speaker 1: elevate him at some point. And you've been really good

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Speaker 1: on defense for the last thirty years as well, which

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Speaker 1: is important. It's not like it's been a disaster and

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Speaker 1: you're Giants with a new offensive coordinator every year looking

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Speaker 1: you know, bump up Austin. Well, then you're gonna hire

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Speaker 1: So you've added two bodies from place one. And as

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Speaker 1: knowing how the Hall of Fame voters that much better

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Speaker 1: would vote? No, they don't like to vote for two

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger to have his day. Okay, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Well, I mean that's the that's so,

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Speaker 1: here's what could happen. People wondering why this hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberg can wait. He's a free agent right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he is not employed at the moment. He could not

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Speaker 1: announce his retirement sometime during the season, sign sign one

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Speaker 1: of those one day you know, retire as a Steeler contracts.

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Speaker 1: It gets him another year of of whatever, and then

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Speaker 1: I don't know how that works in terms of the

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Speaker 1: retirement stuff. But this is a major flying annointment for

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger a little. You've played second fiddle de Brady your

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Speaker 1: entire career, right, I mean, I guess there's a chance

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Speaker 1: Brady couldn't retire. I don't think he will. Um, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he does. I guess it takes a

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Speaker 1: little of the shine off Ben five years from now,

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Speaker 1: but there still would be seventy Steeler fans and attendance

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Speaker 1: Canton would not vote for him no matter what. I'm

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Speaker 1: just telling you the way that I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: there's history there. I mean that the backs your points.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe people be like, I'm gonna vote no

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Speaker 1: on Roethlis we're talking about Well, Barry Bondses didn't get

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Speaker 1: this is how Alan Fannic I had to wait six

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Speaker 1: years to get into the quarterback I mean, they had

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Speaker 1: that pecking order, how they had to go. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what quarterbacks are looming that after there

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Speaker 1: have been looting waiting out there that have to get

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Speaker 1: in before him. Well, you got you got Rivers and

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Speaker 1: Breeze had just retired after last year. Okay, so I

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Speaker 1: think Breeze will go first ballot. Breeze is going in first,

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Speaker 1: and then and then riversna is gonna be on the ballot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna make it. And so you got Eli could

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Speaker 1: still be waiting as well. He's no, I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: not a slam dunk. I don't think so. Some think

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Speaker 1: he is. I don't think so. I mean if when

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Speaker 1: he when he's the first ballot, maybe his class isn't

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Speaker 1: super strong and he gets in right away. I don't

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Speaker 1: let Rivers gets in right away. That's gonna be. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Ben's as much of a slam duncas Breeze.

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Speaker 1: He should be. He should be, he should be. But

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Speaker 1: if it if it comes down to well, these are

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Speaker 1: the these are the situations that you know we got there.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you right now, Tom Brady the gonna have

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Speaker 1: he has to have his own day. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: get it. Are there any other studs that retired this

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Speaker 1: don't know of any off the top of my head

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Speaker 1: you imagine Brady, Ben and Brown? I waded to say,

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Speaker 1: here a fun weekend that would be what could go wrong? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I just I had that thought when I started reading

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Speaker 1: I thought about it. That could make things interesting. Um,

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Speaker 1: like Elies breezes bends. There's more varves, you know, like Peyton's.

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Speaker 1: It's his last year. Probably won't be pretty, folks. Here's

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to announce beforehand that it's gonna be his

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Speaker 1: last season because he doesn't want the parade here, you know.

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Speaker 1: So he doesn't want that. He doesn't want people, you know,

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Speaker 1: driving out the Jerry Rice treatment. Yeah, yeah, that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff. So he's just gonna do it. He's under

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Speaker 1: play next year. Like he's they're gonna lose pieces. He

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Speaker 1: could see the beginning of the end. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: could easily see him hanging it up this year and

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Speaker 1: Tampa would be in trouble. But they have a lot

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Speaker 1: of issues right now too. I mean, they need receivers.

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Speaker 1: They got The center is probably gonna go somewhere else. Cappa,

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Speaker 1: the Guards a free agent, Pierre Paul's a free agent.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and the Bucks would be a pretty

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Speaker 1: bad team with that. But anyways, that's gonna do it.

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