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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the Giants have won the trade deadline

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Speaker 1: on June and fifteenth, they get an eight plus? Are

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Speaker 2: Front Office, unfiltered resident GM. Jim Bowden is here. This

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Speaker 2: is the good stuff, JB. We got two big topics.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Devers trade. I can only imagine

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Speaker 2: your face and your reaction when you saw this last night,

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Speaker 2: So weigh it for us grade the trade?

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know how a team can trade their

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Speaker 1: star players literally time after time and get nothing back

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Speaker 1: for them. I want you to now think about the

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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets trade, the Chris Sale trade, and now the

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Speaker 1: Rafael Devers trade, and so far the best players they've

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Speaker 1: gotten back for all three were what Alex Ferdugo and

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Speaker 1: Connor Wong and maybe James Tibbs someday. In this trade,

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Speaker 1: like it's almost unbelievable. If you're gonna trade Raphael Devers

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Speaker 1: to the San Francisco Giants, then the return has to

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Speaker 1: start with Bryce Eldridge and either bird Song or Roup.

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Speaker 1: That's how it has to start. And if you make

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Speaker 1: a trade like that, look I can somehow get through

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Speaker 1: and understand it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: That opens up a spot for Roman Anthony Whenebreo comes back.

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Speaker 1: Eldridge is a long term first baseman with thirty home

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Speaker 1: run power and bird song or roup go right into

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Speaker 1: your rotation. I could have at least somewhat bought into it.

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Speaker 1: But this return, you're talking about two number five starters

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Speaker 1: Hickson Harrison. You get a teenage pitcher who's got a

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Speaker 1: big arm, but who knows if he can pitch, and

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Speaker 1: he's six years away if he makes it high risk,

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Speaker 1: high return, I get it. And James Tibbs, who look

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Speaker 1: I like right, he went to Florida State. He's got

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Speaker 1: platoon player, but he's not at all star. He's not

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Speaker 1: a silver slugger, not a goal glow. And you trade

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Speaker 1: away a twenty eight year old superstar. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: this guy is fifteen home runs. This guy's at thirty

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Speaker 1: more homers three different times in his career. He's a

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Speaker 1: three point eight war player. I don't care how you

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Speaker 1: dice this thing up. He's a superstar player and worth

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Speaker 1: the contract he's getting paid, by the way, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna dump him and trade him because why because you

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Speaker 1: didn't handle the offseason right when you signed Alex Bregman

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Speaker 1: and you didn't talk to him, and then you flew

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Speaker 1: to see him and you were mad because he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: play first base. Like, yeah, I don't understand this, and

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how the Red Sox can keep doing

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Speaker 1: this with their star players. I mean, obviously the Giants

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Speaker 1: have won the trade deadline on June fifteenth, they get

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Speaker 1: an A plus. Are you kidding me? Buster Posey is

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Speaker 1: just showing everybody what the future in San Francisco is

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Speaker 1: gonna be. Like he's got the pitching staff, he's second

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Speaker 1: to the Mets and TVRA. He needed power, he needed

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Speaker 1: get them, Like are you kidding me? And for the

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Speaker 1: Red Sox, I just scratched my head. You didn't even

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Speaker 1: shop the player at doctor three GMS or text with

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Speaker 1: three GMS this morning who texted me and said they

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Speaker 4: Could a player ever do something a player of that caliber,

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Speaker 4: could ever do something so egregious in your clubhouse that

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Speaker 4: you would then go ahead and say, you know what,

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Speaker 4: we're not even we're just willing to get something back

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Speaker 4: and dump your money. Is it possible that a player,

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Speaker 4: or have you ever seen a player do something that

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Speaker 4: egregious that it's just like, oh, in your terms, dump

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Speaker 1: Never his superstar player. Never, And it can't happen. This

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Speaker 1: is egregious. And you know, look, the ego affects the

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Speaker 1: progress of mankind. It always has. An ego got in

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Speaker 1: he's paying a guy three hundred million that didn't want

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Speaker 1: I don't know the reasons behind it. They have their

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Speaker 1: I was a rookie GM in Cincinnati and he said,

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Speaker 1: The game is about the superstar players, and work with them.

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Speaker 1: They will help you win games. And I always did

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Speaker 1: up hitting forty homers and stealing forty bases that year.

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Speaker 1: And I had moved Tony Fernandez from shortstop to third

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Speaker 1: Because I had Barry Larkin his short I couldn't put

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Speaker 1: That That's what was important to me. I cared about

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Speaker 1: Ryan Zimmerman, how he felt about about Sorianne Like, that's

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Speaker 1: what mattered to me. And if those players are going

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Speaker 1: to win. The players love Rafael Bevers. He's their best player.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if he hurt Breslow or Henry's feelings

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Speaker 1: for not wanting to do something. Either you make the

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Speaker 1: do it, then you live with the consequences. But you

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Speaker 1: certainly don't trade him for this return under any circumstances.

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Speaker 3: Jim, is it easier to trade a disgruntle player, you know,

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Speaker 3: Discronold I put in quotes like Rafi Devers? Or is

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Speaker 3: it easier to trade like Aaron Savale who we saw

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Speaker 3: earlier this week, who wanted to trade and then he

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Speaker 3: got delt Which one's easier because you talked about all

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Speaker 3: the guys you've dealt over the years. But sure, I

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Speaker 3: mean it is it this big of a deal, like oh,

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Speaker 3: Raffy said? No, So I'm just gonna get rid of

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Speaker 3: him because I'm the and that's what I have to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't do that, right, I mean, Rafael Devers

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Speaker 1: He affected the culture. Devers doesn't affect the culture With

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to ruin my culture in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: So the GM matter our good friend of mine. I

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Speaker 1: in free agency. Goodbye, good luck. That's totally different than

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Speaker 1: Rafael Devers because Devers may not have liked to move

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Speaker 1: But what did Rafael Devers do? He embraced it, and

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Speaker 1: that's what he did. And the teammates like jump when

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Speaker 1: you told him to jump. But he certainly performed for you,

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Speaker 1: sorry if you didn't want to pay a DH that,

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Speaker 1: but you paid David Ortiz that right. The Yankees are

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Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna be a good defender at first like

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Speaker 1: he wasn't good at third. His best role is the bat.

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Speaker 1: You committed three hundred million dollars to him because of

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Speaker 1: the bat. That's what you paid him for. So look,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna trade him, Look, I'm okay trading anybody.

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Speaker 1: Get the return. If you had gotten Aldridge back and

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Speaker 1: But now no, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Can the Red Sox pivot? Sure they can, just like

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Speaker 2: We had a problem, but we got this superstar instead,

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Speaker 2: They can trade for players at the deadline if they're

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Speaker 2: they won five in a row, they're a half game

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Speaker 2: about this, as long as Devers was healthy and hitting

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Speaker 2: that would have been a tradable asset in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: They so badly needed to do this right now. How

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Speaker 1: It bothers me as much as the trade does. The

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Speaker 3: But this is sale bets now devers. It's like every

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Speaker 1: Of those five teams, which one has devors that they

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Speaker 4: Gam it's Florian Verts. That's the twenty two year old

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Speaker 4: But Florian Verts another unicorn that is just totally secondary

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Speaker 4: news today. Oh sho Heo Tani gets to start today.

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Speaker 4: If you're a GM of Shoeo Tani, do you allow

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened. Yeah, Show, hey made this call. Look,

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Speaker 3: Well, then the team's dodge a bullet by not signing

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Speaker 2: The year, doesn't cost anything.

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Speaker 3: But still, I mean, if they if they're not doing

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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't know it took six come back

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Speaker 1: That's a story. We're gonna keep watching, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: But it sure sounds like he's not in their plans.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that that was dropped very quietly as well,

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Speaker 2: That is true, and that is the beauty of this sport.

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Speaker 2: In mid June, JB great stuff. We'll talk to you soon, okay, guys,