1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Ketty. 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jettie and Pee. 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Gutty so I, Joe, Eddy and my bride Judy. 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: After many, many, many. 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 3: Years of talking about doing this, finally made our big 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: trip to Europe. Part of the problem is just Jack 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: and I rarely take two weeks in a row off, 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 3: and by the time you spend you know, unless you 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: live like in a major international airport on the east 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: coast city, it takes a while to get there and 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 3: then it takes a while to get back, and so 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 3: you've got to build a couple of days on each 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. And so we've been talking about 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: this for years. We finally did it. We went and 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: took one of those river cruises in this specifically in 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: the southern Germany, Bavaria, Austria, Little. 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: Hungary, that sort of thing. Slovakia too interesting. There's one 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: river that goes through all those places, the Danube. As 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, yes, yeah, and it was. It was. 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: It was wonderful. 22 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: It was great, except that the week before we got 23 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: in there, there was a huge snowfall and then heavy, 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: heavy rains right around when we were getting there, And 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: anybody who lives near rivers knows there's a couple of 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 3: days that everything's flowing into those rivers. Long story short, 27 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: the rivers got so high and we're running so swiftly 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: they closed all the locks, and two and a half 29 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: days and two nights before we were supposed to do 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: they booted us off the boat and said we can't 31 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 3: be on the river anymore, which was such a bummer 32 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: because I was absolutely loving it, not just the life 33 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: on the boat and the people and the food and 34 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: the drink, and then watching the world go by from 35 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: the top deck, even though it was cold. I was 36 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: up there, bundled up, watching the little villages go by, 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 3: loving it so much. 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: So do you sleep on the boat or you stop 39 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 4: in towns and state hotels? 40 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: Oh? 41 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: No, that you have lovely cabins on the boat. Okay, 42 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: did you sleep in and a big boat? 43 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: Then? 44 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: Oh it is, yeah, although it's not a it's not 45 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: a big big boat. I think there were a hundred 46 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: and thirty two people on it, and you know, it's 47 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: a fairly high dollar thing to do. But again, we've 48 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: been putting it off for decades. But great cruise company 49 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: that's not paying for air time, so I won't mention them. 50 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: But they since they had to boot us off the boat, 51 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: they hastily arranged some other stuff to do and a 52 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: couple of extra nights in Muniche. 53 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: Like the airlines give you a free drink ticket. 54 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. You can sleep on shore if you want. 55 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: Those trees over there will probably give you some shelter. 56 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: But so we had already committed to spend two nights 57 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: in Munich, and we ended up with four nights in Munich, Germany, 58 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: which was absolutely I mean, as things go, if you're 59 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: going to have a curveball thrown at you, that's a 60 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: pretty good result. And we just loved being in Munich. 61 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: It's a cool city. It's tons and tons of history, food, drink, 62 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And I want to get to Munich, 63 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: specifically in a couple of brown Oh are you kidding me? 64 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 3: A couple of stray notes before I get into the 65 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: important stuff. In Vienna, Austria, which we spent several nights 66 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: in at the beginning of the trip. 67 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: I ate so much Wiener Schnitzel. 68 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: I ate it like night number one and thought, this 69 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: is the best thing I've ever had. I am going 70 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: to compare and contrast the Vener's Schnitzel. 71 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 2: Everywhere we go. So I got heavily into vener Schnenzel. 72 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: So good. Now, what is that? 73 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: Roughly, just briefly, Well, it's like a pressed down veal, 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: usually breaded with some super delicious potatoes and then cranberry 75 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: like preserves that you have with it. And you combine 76 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: the bread and meat with the potatoes with the cranberry, 77 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: and you eat it all at once, and it's proof 78 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 3: that God loves us and wants. 79 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: Us to be happy. 80 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: But we don't eat it in America. I saw you 81 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: the picture you sent us. I thought, why isn't this 82 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 4: a more common thing in the United States. 83 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: You got to go to a German restaurant that's really 84 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: the only people to serve it. But I fell in 85 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: love with it. Second stray note Google Tran. I've said 86 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: Google is evil many many times as a corporation. They 87 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: remind me of how some Muslims view the United States. 88 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: They call us the great Satan. They don't mean the 89 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: great evil, they mean the great temp tour with the 90 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: pleasures of the flesh. And materialism and porn and the 91 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: rest of it. Google's the great temp tour. It offers 92 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: you these incredible tools and then steals all your data, right, 93 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: And you know, give them the choice between having Satan 94 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: steal my soul and Google steal my data. You can 95 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: have my data. But they're the great Satan in that way. 96 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 3: And one of their temptations is Google Translate. 97 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: It is so amazing. I hadn't even thought of that. 98 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: Remember my story. 99 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 4: I used that with the maid when the guy disappeared 100 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 4: in my neighborhood a while back, and I was so 101 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 4: amazed by it. But when I went to Russia that 102 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 4: was pre iPhone. Now would have changed everything on thatsblutely 103 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 4: if I could have gotten around with Google Translate. 104 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: So not only can you type in a phrase and 105 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: get it translated, you can use the microphone and it 106 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: translates on the fly, or you can take a picture 107 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: of a sign and it'll tell you what the science says. 108 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: Gotta be fantastic. Oh, and I was so geeking out 109 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: on that. 110 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: I studied German for years and years, but it's a 111 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: hard language and that was years ago, so it was 112 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: so much fun to think, you know. 113 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: I think I know what that means in verify it. 114 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: Or you'd come across a slogan for a Schnitzel company 115 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: and you'd think I could translate it in German, but 116 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell does that actually mean? 117 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: So anyway, I geeked out on Google Translate that would 118 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: be so handy. 119 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 2: I loved it. It was just fun. So anyway, that. 120 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: Third stray note when we had to get booted off 121 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: the boat because all the locks had closed and everything. 122 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: It was Christmas Day. 123 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: I spent seven and a half hours of Christmas Day 124 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: on a bus, which was just not that great, going 125 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: from Bratislava in Slovakia, which is a great old historic 126 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: city to Saltzburg, Mozart's hometown, which was it was a 127 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: very interesting day, but it was like five hours to 128 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: get there, and then after spending half of the day 129 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: in Salzburg, then it was time to start our stint 130 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: in Munich, which was another two and a half hours. 131 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: Although oh that brings to mind. 132 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: It was my first experience on the autobon the Audubon famously, 133 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 3: where there is no speed limit, but the Germans are 134 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 3: incredibly disciplined drivers. 135 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 2: Everybody follows the damned law. 136 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: So if you want to pass, you move to the left, 137 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: you pass, you immediately get. 138 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: Back to the right immediately. 139 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 3: I saw maybe one exception to that in miles and 140 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: hours and hours and hours of travel. 141 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: It admires the discipline of the Germans. Oh, I absolutely. 142 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: Do you sound a little like Trump? 143 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 4: Now? 144 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: I will tell I will tell you this. 145 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: On the way to the airport, our our on the 146 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: autobon our taxi driver, taxi, it was like a really 147 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: nice Mercedes. But our driver to the airport hit one 148 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: hundred and five mile proper awesome on the autobobo. Well, 149 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: I like it. 150 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: Nice cars, it's nothing to go that fast. So I 151 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 4: don't know why we can't do it in the United States. 152 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: But do you think they follow the laws so strictly? 153 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 4: Are the penalties just so strict or is it just 154 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: a cultural thing? We follow the rules? 155 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: Ding ding Ding, which brings me to section two of 156 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: our talk. Munich is the birthplace of the Nazi movement, 157 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: the National Socialists as they refer to them in in Germany. 158 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: And is everybody that's correct, Michael, In all of the 159 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: years of you playing that clip, finally it's appropriate. And 160 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: I Joe have long been an avid student to the 161 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: point of near obsession of the rise and follow the 162 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: Third Reich, partly because I studied German language and culture 163 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: and history, and also because I am apparently unendingly fascinated 164 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: by the idea of a dopey little political part started 165 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: by a bunch of losers and misfits gaining the reins 166 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: of a modern large nation and then leading to the 167 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: greatest conflagration known to man and the slaughter of millions 168 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: and millions and millions of innocent people. How does that 169 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: happen among Homo sapiens is one of my greatest fascinations. 170 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: And so there I was in Munich, at the birthplace 171 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: of the Nazi movement. In a couple of things we did, 172 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: and God bless my bride. I am so lucky to 173 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 3: be married to the best friend I'll ever have, and 174 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: she knows how I am about that. So she said, yeah, hey, 175 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: this is your party. If you want to do that, 176 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,479 Speaker 3: let's do that. And so in between the gigantic steins 177 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: of dark beer and the Wiener Schnitzel and the window 178 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: shopping and history and that sort of thing, I geeked 179 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: out on the whole Nazi history. They have the National 180 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: Socialist Documentation Center. It's a four story museum of the 181 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: rise in the fall of the Third Reich, with contemporary 182 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: news articles, post speech, is video everything, it's how it happened. 183 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 4: So that's part of their laying on their backs, showing 184 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 4: their belly. They're embarrassed by a thing that they've been 185 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: doing for years. 186 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, I wouldn't put it exactly that way, but 187 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: that's close enough. 188 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, they the German people not only went along with, 189 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: but a lot of them went along with very enthusiastically 190 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: the Nazi movement, which led to all those millions of 191 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: dad And you could certainly argue the rise of the 192 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: Soviet Union really in the second half of the twentieth century, 193 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: but and the Iron Curtain and the rest of it. 194 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, it's it's atonement. But that center, if 195 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: you ever get a chance to go to it, is 196 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: just amazing in that it fleshes it out. How do 197 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: you go from unknown, destitute, former corporal in the military 198 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: to fere with the power to kill millions and millions 199 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: of people. It fleshes that out. And the second thing 200 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 3: we did, and if you have any questions, shack free 201 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: to jump. 202 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: Trump showing us according to The New York Times, Trump, 203 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what now? 204 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: Trump is showing us how you do that? According to 205 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: the New York Times. 206 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, not exactly, although there are elements of it that 207 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: are similar, wildly overblown in this case, but similar, And 208 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: I want to get to that. But the second thing 209 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: we did was we went to the doc Out concentration camp, 210 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: which was an unspeakably horrific place of death and torture 211 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: and misery and starvation and disease and levels of cruelty 212 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: that are worth contemplating if you're the sort of person 213 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 3: who can it's. It's it's a fascinating experience to tour 214 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 3: it and read all of it. It is a miserable experience. 215 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: It's it's heartbreaking and disturbing, and you know, I could 216 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: go on and on about it. 217 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: I won't. Two people, but the Dacout model was exported 218 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 2: to all of the. 219 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 3: Dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of concentration camps 220 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: we all know about the famous ones. 221 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: There were many of them, and satellite camps go on. 222 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 4: Sorry do people shuffle around quietly looking stressed at this 223 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: I've never been to anything like this before. 224 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: Serious and contemplative. Yeah, and I'm looking at the clock. 225 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: We need to take a break. There's more to say 226 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 3: and I want to say. But my final note, the 227 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 3: one weirdly encouraging thing about it is it's an extremely 228 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: quote unquote popular place that people visit. 229 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,119 Speaker 2: Millions of people visit, which is good because. 230 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 4: They want to peer into what humanity is capable of. 231 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 3: And I think they walk away understanding a little bit 232 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: more of how you don't play with this sort of 233 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: thing because it'll go seriously wrong. 234 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: And how interesting having had October seventh happen being reminded, Oh, 235 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 4: people still can do that sort of thing. 236 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: Oh yes, specifically to the jew. 237 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: Let it know, we got Luigi. 238 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 5: I really feel sorry for the for the family. I mean, 239 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 5: everybody's fixating it on how good looking this guy looks. 240 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: If he looked like Jonah Hiddle, no one would care. 241 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: They'd already gave him him a chair, already be dead. 242 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 4: Okay, But he actually killed a man, a. 243 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 5: Man, a man with a family, you know, so the 244 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 5: healthcare ceo. I mean, this is a real person, you know, 245 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 5: but you also got a you know, sometimes drug dealers 246 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 5: get shot. 247 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 4: Chris Rock on Saturday Night Live, obviously that was controversial, 248 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 4: although he went farther than a lot lot of people 249 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: on that side of politics have gone in feeling bad 250 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 4: about a actual human being, a father, husband being gunned 251 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: down by a psychopath. 252 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: Luigi has gotten a high profile lawyer. 253 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: I guess because he got all the gofundmes out there 254 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 4: and rich people who want to support his defense. 255 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: Give me ninety one, Michael, he was brilliant his whole life. 256 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 2: He comes from his great family. 257 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 6: I mean something changed, right, significantly, something changed, and they're 258 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 6: going to I think potentially have a not guilty by 259 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 6: reason of insanity potential defense. 260 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: I think that is not only a good way to 261 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 4: avoid the worst kind of prison. Probably it might actually 262 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: be true. He might have gone crazy. 263 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a gal who is on a panel 264 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 3: on ABC and a high profile defense lawyer, and she 265 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: got hired up by the family who apparently either liked 266 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: the cut of her jib or saw on maybec or 267 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 3: something like that. 268 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: If I have. 269 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 4: My act together as the murderous scumbag, like my brain's working, 270 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 4: what I'm telling my lawyer is I'm guilty and there's 271 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 4: no way you're going to be able to do anything 272 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 4: about that. But keep me out of one of those 273 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: horrible prisons where I'm like getting beaten to death by 274 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: some horrible gang. You know that my concern So two 275 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 4: interesting theories about what went to south with this this 276 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: young man in his brain. 277 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: Number One, we had a listener who's. 278 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: Got some experience with this point out that what appeared 279 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: to be a really serious spine injury often goes with 280 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: traumatic brain injury that is, or is not always diagnosed properly, 281 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: and mood changes and personality changes can go along with 282 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: TBI who knows just a thought because he has a 283 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: hell of a lot of screws in his spine for 284 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: a young man of his age. Second thing, though, is 285 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: Fox News was interviewing this Cornell law professor about how 286 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: brutally anti corporate this young man appears to be with 287 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: all of his Ivy League credentials, and he said, quote, 288 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: it's fairly uniform in the Ivy League and others so 289 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: called elite educational institutions that they skew extremely heavily to 290 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: the left among the faculty. The Modern Democratic Party leans 291 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: very heavily to the left, has a very strong anti American, 292 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: anti capitalist wing to it. So not surprised me if 293 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: somebody growing up and getting educated in that atmosphere became radicalized. 294 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: Activism is now considered a vital part of the teaching 295 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: for many professors, he said, they do not distinguish between 296 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: their teaching and their activism. That most clearly manifests itself 297 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: on the anti Israel front, but it's elsewhere too, on 298 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: the anti capitalist front. If you're educating yourself in that atmosphere, 299 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: I certainly could understand why someone would have hostile views 300 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: towards a health insurance company. 301 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 4: So he got radicalized, right, Yeah, so his whole spine injury, 302 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 4: brain injury, or maybe win schizophrenic or whatever. That's all possible, 303 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 4: of course. But there's also an awful lot of people 304 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 4: that went to the same kind of colleges he went 305 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 4: to who think it was a good idea that he 306 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 4: killed this guy. 307 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: So you remember that assistant to English professor her statement 308 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 3: the other day that it was the best thing or 309 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: it made her joyful or whatever the hell she said. Yeah, 310 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: Penn has come out and said antrasetical to the values, 311 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: not condoned, inappropriate, in offensive or offensive. So yeah, but 312 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: it was the classic definition of a gaff, she said. 313 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: The quiet part out loud. She accidentally got caught telling 314 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: the truth. 315 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 4: So far, there's been no copycat that we're aware of. Oh, 316 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 4: I hope that continues. Quick question for you, what if 317 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 4: you happen to miss this unbelievable radio program. 318 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: The answer is easy, friends, just download our podcast, Armstrong 319 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: and Getty on demand. It's the podcast version of the 320 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: broadcast show, available anytime, any day. Every single podcast platform 321 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: known demand downloaded. 322 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: Now Armstrong and Getty on demand. I'll range on Capitol Hills. 323 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: After eight suspected terrorists from Tajikistan were arrested in the 324 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: United States, The men who investigators believe have ties to ISIS, 325 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: crossed illegally at the US southern border. House Majority Leader 326 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: Steve Scaliz blaming President Joe Biden's policies. 327 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: How many more terrorists are in our country because Joe 328 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 4: Biden opened up the southern border and Chinese intelligence agents. 329 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 4: More on that in just a second. But this hour 330 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 4: is going to be exciting. So Hunter's stripper Baby Mama 331 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: has a book coming out. Joe Getty has excerpts from 332 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 4: the book. That's exciting. 333 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: Oh shocking excerpts. Jack. 334 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 3: We will bear all when it comes to the sordid 335 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: life of Hunter Biden. 336 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 4: I want to talk about the insanity that luckily is 337 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 4: making national news the subway in New York where they 338 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: announced anybody who's a Zionist needs to get off the 339 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 4: train now, and people chanting, what. 340 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: The hell is going on? Did you say Berlin in 341 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 3: nineteen thirty six? 342 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: Now? It's crazy AnyWho. 343 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 4: This story should be getting more intention Eight dudes with 344 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 4: ties to isis arrested. Who would it would be actually 345 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 4: better in a way if they had snuck across the 346 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 4: border without encountering anybody. The fact that they did encounter 347 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 4: border patrol and went through the process we currently have 348 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 4: in place and still got into the country because they 349 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 4: barely do anything when they encounter you. I mean, what 350 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 4: is the They call it a vetting process. 351 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: What is the vetting process? 352 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 3: It's utterly insufficient, obviously, and so I think this is 353 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: a useful screw up. It's so ugly and clearly unacceptable. 354 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: It illustrates the fact that the border is so overwhelmed. 355 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 3: The folks at the border are so overwhelmed. Any quote 356 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 3: unquote vetting they're doing is is almost hilariously inadequate. We 357 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: need serious change right now. I know if the vast 358 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: majority of Americans agree with us as well on that. 359 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 4: One of your terrorist experts was on some cable channel 360 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 4: the other day talking about the terrorist attack we've mostly 361 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 4: forgotten that happened in uh outside of Moscow at that concert. 362 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: Remember watching the footage of that. They just ran through 363 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 4: the building shooting people. Yeah, somebody could put something like 364 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 4: that together in the United States. 365 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 3: Hopeful they were Tajiks too, weren't they. I did that allegedly. 366 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 4: I don't remember where they were from. But they did 367 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 4: have the whole isis ties thing. And hopefully it'd be 368 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 4: hard to get your hands on weapons, but I don't 369 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 4: know that. 370 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: It would be. Oh in the US. 371 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: No, you just go down to it some you know, 372 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: degenerate blue city and wave some cash in front of 373 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: gang members and you'll have all the guns you want. 374 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 4: Let's go a little more reporting on this before we talk. 375 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 4: Just more from that same Fox report Michael sources. 376 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: Say a majority of these suspected terrorists were found in 377 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: New York, where a Democratic councilman says he's worried there 378 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: could be another attack in the Big Apple. 379 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 7: It's frightening and we're headed for another nine to eleven. 380 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 7: I predicted that. I think we should have a secure border. 381 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 7: We should know who's coming into our country. We don't. 382 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: Notable. 383 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 3: That's a democratic councilman. I think the problem has become 384 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: so enormous and so unmistakable. 385 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: I mean, again, look at the poll numbers. 386 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 3: I'm not surprised to hear Democrats speaking out a little 387 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: more forcefully because they hear their. 388 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: Constituents howling for something to be done. 389 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: I guess this happens. I was just thinking, there's been 390 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 4: some examples in my life. I guess where there's a 391 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 4: a problem clearly coming and. 392 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: You know it, but you just don't want to deal 393 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: with it now or. 394 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 4: Seems too hard or something, and then it happens, and 395 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 4: then you're like, yeah, probably should have dealt with that earlier. 396 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 4: This is an extreme example of that. I mean, yeah, obviously, 397 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 4: you can't just let hundreds of thousands of random men 398 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 4: from the Middle East come across your border or China 399 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 4: or wherever. 400 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly, And it's become so well known around 401 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 3: the world. Anybody you want in the US just send 402 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 3: them to the Mexican border and say, yeah, yeah, they're 403 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 3: killing everybody in my village. 404 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I need asylum. 405 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: And whoever, whatever agent you want gets into the United 406 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: States and back in the homeland, they're probably the various 407 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 3: you know, war lords and ISIS leaders and Chinese intelligence 408 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: chiefs are probably saying, wait. 409 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: A minute, now, it can't be that easy. Stop it. 410 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: No country behaves like that. You have to convince. 411 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 5: Oh. 412 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the US just letting in anybody who wants to 413 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: come in. It's really shocking. 414 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: Yes, how about some mainstream media coverage of it. This 415 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 4: is NBC, which focuses on you know, maybe things have 416 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: changed with that whole executive order that Joe Biden put 417 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 4: through a week or so ago, and maybe, you know, 418 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 4: they've closed the barn door. 419 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: Finally, let's see new evidence. 420 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 8: Migrants who cross the border illegally are still being released 421 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 8: into the US by border agents. A senior DHS official 422 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 8: tells NBC News those releases have dropped by more than half, 423 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 8: but are still happening because agents don't have enough space 424 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 8: to detain the large numbers of arriving migrants. An internal 425 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 8: memo to border patrol agents in San Diego directs agents 426 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 8: there to release migrants into the United States. Overall illegal 427 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 8: border crossings under the new policy are still high, but 428 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 8: have dropped from four thousand to three thousand per day. 429 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 8: The record nearly ten million migrants entering the US since 430 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 8: he took office. Wow, But the Border Patrol Union says 431 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 8: the president's new action is it's not tough enough. 432 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: That's NBC News, ladies and gentlemen. 433 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 3: The idea that you could come apply to be somewhere 434 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 3: and you get to stay there as your probably phony 435 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: application is being assessed over the course of years and years. 436 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 3: It's very odd that practice, like showing up to buy 437 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 3: somebody's house and saying, by the way, I'm living here now, well, 438 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 3: you decide on my offer, I get to live here, 439 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: and if you throw me out, you're the bad guy. 440 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: It's just well again, it's insane. Remember we had the. 441 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 4: Polling like a week ago that a majority of Americans 442 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: now favor a wall. 443 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the majority of Americans, including independence in a 444 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 3: substantial chunk, was that forty percent of Democrats are in 445 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: favor of deporting all illegal aliens. It is overwhelmingly popular. 446 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 3: Which if you just if you want to say, if 447 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: we took calls day, I'm strugging to getty. 448 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: You know, I think Joe Biden is just a. He 449 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: doesn't lead at all. He's just a prostitute to whatever 450 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: is his voters wanted to. He has no principles, He's 451 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: just yeah. 452 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 3: But his voters want him to kick all these people 453 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: out of the country and secure the border. 454 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: What are they doing? 455 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 8: Well? 456 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, The wording from that CBS poll was, would you 457 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 4: be in favor of deporting all undocumented immigrants? 458 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: Which has never. 459 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 4: Been on the table, will never be on the table, 460 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 4: It would be undoable even if they passed it. And 461 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: yet nearly two thirds of Americans said, yeah, I'd be 462 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 4: all for that. How do you not read that in 463 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 4: the White House and think, oh, we are so far 464 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 4: to the left of America on this, no wonder. 465 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: We're losing by thirty. 466 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: To fifty points depending on the question on this issue, 467 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 4: and yet they're tied. 468 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: Yet overall they're tied. 469 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: Right, Oh, that's discouraging. I hate to end on a 470 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 3: discouraging note. You know, here's a tangent in the mood 471 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: for a tangent. I was thinking about this, and it's 472 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: this may be a poor example now because of what 473 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 3: I was just saying about the overwhelming support among Americans 474 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: for closing the border and having seen immigration policies. But 475 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: like in the early days of the Biden administration, when 476 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: just undoing anything Trump did seemed like the right thing 477 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 3: to do, I don't what am I driving at. 478 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: I think. 479 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: There's way too much representation and too little leadership in 480 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 3: a lot of government. In other words, just fulfilling the 481 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 3: whims of this constituency or that constituency, whether it's a 482 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: good idea or not, in a way that you wouldn't 483 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: have done in the old days, because you wouldn't have 484 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 3: known about those temporary whims of a constituency. Because communication 485 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 3: is so fast and easy now, you can have you know, 486 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: sixty jackasses in your district mad about a good policy 487 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: because they don't understand it, and you'd be completely swayed 488 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 3: by that as a congress person. And I'm looking to 489 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: our own industry, and you see it reflected in various 490 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: websites and news channels and stuff like that. They have 491 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: the ability now to track second by second when people 492 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: tune in, when they tune out what you're doing, when 493 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 3: they tune out what you're doing, when they're staying tuned. 494 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: It's in radio two, but we ignore it for various reasons. 495 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 3: But you become this like you're being jerked on a chain, 496 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: serving the momentary whims of the audience in a way 497 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: that seems like good business at first, but then it's 498 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 3: to me, it's like shoveling in sugar. That first bite 499 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 3: sounds great, tastes great, and all, but you just keep 500 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 3: shoveling it in until you're sick. 501 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: It's a it's how do I explain this? 502 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: Being in Congress has always been a balance between being 503 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 3: a leader and being a representative. And if your constituents 504 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: wants something loathsome stupid and unconstitutional, that's when you've got 505 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 3: to be a leader. And I just I think we've 506 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: got too much representative and not enough leader in our politics. 507 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 4: I think that's pretty clear, some of which has to 508 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 4: do with the small donor fundraising. 509 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, oh yeah, that's a great point. 510 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 4: Of course, big donor fundraising would reward leadership. Small donor 511 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: fundraising rewards you doing what I yelled about right right. 512 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: Literally, it can be a ten minute like political cycle. 513 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: This is a news story. 514 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: We're all fired up, I send you twenty five bucks 515 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 3: and then everybody forgets about it ten minutes later. 516 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: But I've raised three million dollars. 517 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 4: And the AOC's and the Marjorie Taylor Greens understand that 518 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 4: better than anybody. 519 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Armstrong and Getty show, Yeah, or Jack or 520 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: show podcasts and our hot links. 521 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 2: Why is it so cold with dear Michael? 522 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I had turned it up and then 523 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 5: the air condition turned itself back on. 524 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: It's punishment. 525 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 4: I guess it's punishment for what I did to that 526 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 4: we did to deserve this. But it's like fifty eight 527 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 4: degrees in here being treated like North Korean dissidents. Huh, 528 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 4: what's up with that? Speaking of North Korea, woke up 529 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 4: to see that Putin and North Koreas signed a pact. 530 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: They now have a packed to come to. 531 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 4: Each other's defense if they are attacked by I guess 532 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 4: they're implying us well. And it's full of what delights 533 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 4: me in spite of the horror of the thing. I 534 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 4: am always amused by the stilted, grandiose language that comes 535 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 4: out of every pronouncement from North Korea. The permanent friendship 536 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 4: built of solid granite between our two gargantuan peoples. 537 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: I mean, there's just always that inflated rhetoric. I'll find 538 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: the specifics for you. 539 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 4: But it's just that's pretty good, ridiculous, solid, gargantuan peoples. 540 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 3: They are pledged an everlasting friendship and on wavering support. 541 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: I do agreement would form the backbone of the countries. 542 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: BA right, oh here it is. 543 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 3: I am confident that during this visit the ardent friendship 544 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: between the two countries will be strengthling. 545 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: Like I'm on a list, all right. 546 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 4: I don't get the crowd that doesn't think we need 547 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 4: to engage these people. Russia and China and North Korea 548 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 4: and Iran are intertwined in more ways than they've ever been. 549 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 4: Iran's providing weapons to Russia. Russia's providing stuff to Iran. 550 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 4: It's shown up in fighting Israel and Ukraine and all 551 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 4: over the place. 552 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: In China. 553 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 4: Of course, we know what China is and they're all 554 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 4: working together, and it's terrible. 555 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: It's terrible for the world. This is a major world moment. Yeah, 556 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: it is. I think the isolation is crowded. 557 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: Neo isolationists would say, well, they're just doing that because 558 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: the US has pressured them. They form a eard kind 559 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 3: of alliance with the self hating liberal. They believe that 560 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: all evil that befalls the world that has anything to 561 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: do with the United States is the fault of the 562 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 3: United State. Well, I spent a decent chunk of my 563 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 3: adulthood as a near isolationist, so it's not like I'm 564 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: completely out of touch with that thinking. 565 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: I do think I was wrong at this point. It 566 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: would be wonderful if isolationism worked. That would be great. 567 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Oh, you don't have to get involved in everything. 568 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 4: That's certainly true. And we've gotten involved in things we 569 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 4: didn't need to get involved in. 570 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that's absolutely true. 571 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: And like most things in life, the extreme points of 572 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 3: view are very simple and easy to understand, and so 573 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 3: people like them. And the truth in foreign policy, like 574 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: in life, is that, no, it's going to be a 575 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 3: bunch of difficult judgments, and so many of them are 576 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 3: going to be like right on the margin. You're just 577 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: not sure. But the idea that you can just isolate yourself, 578 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: especially in the new global instantaneous communication, practically instantaneous weaponry world, 579 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: it's just not true. 580 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I. 581 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 4: Mentioned yesterday, you weren't here on Friday when we talked 582 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 4: to Josh Rogan and his article in the Washington Post, 583 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 4: US military plans a hellscape to deter China. And it's 584 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 4: pretty damned interesting. But we're taking it super seriously as 585 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 4: we should. That China is going to move on Taiwan 586 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 4: at some point, and it could happen. I don't think 587 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 4: there's any stopping it. Actually, there's a quote from Trump 588 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 4: where Trump said, oh, in the latest interview with Time magazine, 589 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 4: when he asked if we would defend Taiwan, he said 590 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 4: it would depend on the circumstances. President Trump once told 591 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 4: a GOP senator in a closed meeting that there isn't 592 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 4: a blanking thing we can do about it. If China 593 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 4: decides to take Taiwan. I think that's close to right. 594 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 4: It's gonna happen in like an hour. I mean someday. 595 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 4: All these military exercises they have like the other day 596 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 4: where they got the whole island surrounded with ships and 597 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 4: planes and everything like that, what if they actually do 598 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 4: it for real? 599 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: How would we stop that? Yeah, it might not even 600 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: be an attack, it would just be a siege. 601 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 4: But anyway, the healthscape idea is we got gazillions of 602 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 4: unmanned submarines and flying drones and all kinds of stuff 603 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 4: that we would unleash on them instantly to try to 604 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 4: slow them down to buy us some time, because our 605 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 4: Pentagon knows that they're gonna be able to do this 606 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 4: in like an, you know, fifteen minutes if they decided 607 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 4: to do it, So we got to move super duper fast. 608 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 4: So we got the hellscape that is the drone attack, 609 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 4: and then that buys us of the time plugged. 610 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: The zone with some drones. It's a zone drone well exactly, 611 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: good luck. 612 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: But I read Josh's piece at your recommendation and thought, wow, 613 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 3: that is really intriguing, and I'm. 614 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: Not sure I'm buying right. Well, I have to say the. 615 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 3: Incredible interconnection of virtually all of the economies, No, that's 616 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: not true. I mean North Korean rush, aren't that interduce? Anyway? 617 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 3: Economic intertwining is what's holding China back at this point. 618 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 3: And it would not be an easy military victory over Taiwan, 619 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: not by any stretch of the imagination. Whether it could 620 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 3: be turned back is a different question. It would probably 621 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 3: be really quagmiriy. 622 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 4: So I'm going through the America's Cold Wars of David sangerbook, 623 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: and he has got a long piece in there about 624 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 4: the relationship between Russian and China through the years, and 625 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 4: Stalin was somewhat shocked at one point when Mao, who chairman, 626 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 4: she idolizes and wants to be the new Mao. Mao 627 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 4: told Stalin, I'm perfectly fine with losing one hundred million 628 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 4: people if I have to defeat the United States a 629 00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 4: hundred million. 630 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 631 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 4: Now, I don't know if she's close to that number, 632 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 4: but if he was a fraction of it, if he's 633 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 4: only willing to lose a million men, we don't have 634 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 4: that kind of appetite. Nothing within a thousand miles. 635 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: Oh no, no. 636 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 3: And that's one of the great weaknesses we have as 637 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 3: Americans is we think everybody thinks like us. Maybe it's 638 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 3: because we're isolated by a couple of oceans. But I've 639 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 3: mentioned this before. In Maine, kompf har Hitler mentions that 640 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 3: if you're going to be one of the great men 641 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 3: of history, you have to be willing to sacrifice the 642 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 3: tens of thousands at any moment, and if you don't 643 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 3: have the gall for that, you're not going to be 644 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 3: a great man of history. 645 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 2: Well that's rough. 646 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, healthscape, can we do we actually have a hellscape 647 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 4: ready to go? 648 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: Well, that's a secret. I hope we do. 649 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 4: I hope we have a healthscape of drones, submarine drones, 650 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 4: submarine drones and air drones at the same time, very 651 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 4: exciting flood to zone. We need those Chinese, We need 652 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 4: those Chinese dogs. I've seen the robot dogs with the 653 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: machine gun on their back. 654 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: A swim. 655 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it wouldn't help mechanize dog paddle, right, 656 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 4: it still looks scary you. If I see one of 657 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 4: those Chinese metal dogs running at me with a machine gun, 658 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna lose my mud. 659 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: As they said in the Civil War, Armstrong and Getty