WEBVTT - Dry Cleaning: Not Really Dry(!)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here and we are ready to martinize

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<v Speaker 2>the heck out of you in one hour or less.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you like heavy starch, medium guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You want a double crease in your pant legs. I

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<v Speaker 2>had to look that up. Have you ever heard of

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<v Speaker 2>such a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I got a triple crease? What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>No, for real, have you heard of a double crease before?

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<v Speaker 2>I demand to know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so, because I'm not someone who often

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<v Speaker 1>uses a dry cleaner.

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<v Speaker 2>You and a lot of people these days, pall. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>the pandemic just crushed dry cleaning because people stopped going

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<v Speaker 2>to the office as much, which means that they stop

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<v Speaker 2>needing clothes that required dry cleaning as much. But even

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<v Speaker 2>before that, people had sorry to work from home a

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<v Speaker 2>little more and the office had gone much more casual

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<v Speaker 2>than before. So dry cleaners have been hurting for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just I don't have much of a need.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's a particular stain or something that I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>dying to get out of a piece of clothing, what

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<v Speaker 1>is that, I'll take it into a dry cleaner. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was taught at a very young age how

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<v Speaker 1>to launder and iron clothing, oh neat. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>don't often have to do that because I rarely have

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<v Speaker 1>to wear, like, you know, a pressed dress shirt to

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<v Speaker 1>a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't put a double crease in your jeans?

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<v Speaker 1>What's a double crease?

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<v Speaker 2>So I looked it up. It strikes me as possibly

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a nineteen forties you know, that woolf

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<v Speaker 2>from the cartoons, kind of zoot suit. Look, okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>those would have double creases. The only thing I could find,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a pair of Benetton pants for women that has

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<v Speaker 2>a double crease, and I'm pretty sure I could find

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<v Speaker 2>the second one, not one hundred percent, but I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing that some people request of the dry cleaners,

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<v Speaker 2>people who ain't quite right. I take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. My big dry cleaning sort of memory and story

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<v Speaker 1>is that.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a dry cleaning story.

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<v Speaker 1>Well not a story, but I just you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>best friend in high school, Rat who the cartographer, Hello

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<v Speaker 1>rad Ye. His dad Wayne had a closet with like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five light blue, perfectly dry clean shirts, like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five pinklins, twenty five white ones. It was like a

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick Bateman esque closet, and I remember just going in

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<v Speaker 1>there in high school and just being.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, wow, were there like leather gloves and a knife

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<v Speaker 2>stashed behind all this?

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<v Speaker 1>No, Wayne was a good guy, but anyway, that's my

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<v Speaker 1>dry cleaning memory from high school. I have a stat

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<v Speaker 1>here that's from twenty seventeen. There were in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States there were twenty six hundred dry cleaners. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>that as high as thirty thousand now. But one thing

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to point out is that dry cleaners in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States eighty percent of their employees slash owners

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<v Speaker 1>are ethnic minorities of the United States, and majority of

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<v Speaker 1>which are Korean Americans. And all this just point out

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<v Speaker 1>as we go along, we're going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>expense of dry cleaning and changing your whole business because

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<v Speaker 1>of government regulations and the fact that these ethnic minorities

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<v Speaker 1>and small business owners that can be a tough thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's definitely like a stereotype in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States that dry cleaners are often owned by people

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<v Speaker 2>of Korean descent or straight up Korean immigrants. And apparently

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<v Speaker 2>in the seventies that became a thing. In the same

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<v Speaker 2>way that we talked about Greek immigrants and their children

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<v Speaker 2>running diners in the United States, that's true with Korean

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<v Speaker 2>immigrants and dry cleaners. Apparently a Korean immigrant is thirty

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<v Speaker 2>four times likelier than the immigrant from anywhere else to

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<v Speaker 2>open a dry cleaning store in the United States. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these are very small operations. In a lot of cases,

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<v Speaker 2>they're small businesses. And yeah, we'll see there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of financial pressure on them right now that seems potentially

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<v Speaker 2>fairly unfair.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and we're going to sort of go through

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<v Speaker 1>the process of dry cleaning. We've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>requests for this over the years. Yeah, my experience has been,

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<v Speaker 1>at least around here, most of the dry cleaners are

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<v Speaker 1>storefronts that will take your stuff. There are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of washers and dryers, like you can do laundry on site,

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<v Speaker 1>but the stuff is sent out. It is not cleaned

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<v Speaker 1>on site. It goes to a separate facility for the

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<v Speaker 1>dry cleaning then comes back is on those amazing racks

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<v Speaker 1>that I just I love those things so much. That's

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<v Speaker 1>spin around, you know, all those close spinning around.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't you just imagine like a ham hanging from each

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<v Speaker 2>one in your kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>I just for some reason I love it. But apparently

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<v Speaker 1>there are some where they actually do the stuff on site.

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<v Speaker 1>But the first thing we want to talk about is

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that dry cleaning is not dry. It just

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<v Speaker 1>means they don't use water.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really important point, and I think we'll probably

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<v Speaker 2>restate it multiple times throughout this episode, just to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure we're dry at home, though yes we do, whether

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<v Speaker 2>we need to or not, I insist.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just camera that simplistic fact home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is weird. I think it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a remnant or a relic of the original interpretation of

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<v Speaker 2>dry cleaning, because it did make sense back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Today it doesn't hold up. It's not dry at all,

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<v Speaker 2>So everybody, I'm sorry to ruin your illusions. Technically it

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<v Speaker 2>was Chuck who did that, but dry cleaning is fairly old.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a man, a black American named Thomas Jennings,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a tailor in New York City who in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen twenty one got a patent for a process of

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<v Speaker 2>essentially dry cleaning you call it dry scouring, that you

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<v Speaker 2>could use to remove dirt and grease from clothing without

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<v Speaker 2>harming the fabric, which is pretty groundbreaking, but it's lost

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<v Speaker 2>to history. Apparently there was a fire. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>do at least a short stuff on this, Chuck. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a fire in eighteen thirty six that destroyed ten

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<v Speaker 2>thousand patents basically all the patents from seventeen ninety to

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen thirty six gone in this fire, and that included

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas Jennings patent. So we're not at all sure exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what the deal was, but we know that he was

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<v Speaker 2>the first to come up with probably what would be

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<v Speaker 2>considered dry cleaning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Jennings himself could be a great short stuff

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<v Speaker 1>because he is the first African American to receive a

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<v Speaker 1>patent in the United States, and this was forty years

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<v Speaker 1>prior to the Emancipation Proclamation. And what's so remarkable about

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<v Speaker 1>that is is he was born a free man, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the patent application, you have to be a citizen

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States, and they granted him that patent,

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<v Speaker 1>thus recognizing him as a citizen of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a very big deal at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>He also helped to organize something called the Legal Rights Association. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the eighteen twenty eighteen thirties, and that group

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<v Speaker 2>would challenge people in court with vile lawsuits against acts

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<v Speaker 2>of discrimination in the eighteen thirties. So that, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>definitely does deserve his own episode. It sounds like two yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>follow up, Okay, a couple of decades later, over in France,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a man named Jean Baptiste Jolie spelled like jolly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great name, all three names together with that

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<v Speaker 2>nice round Baptiste in the middle. He was he made die.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a dier, a dier maker, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>a tablecloth that was had an oil lamp knocked over

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<v Speaker 2>on it. Luckily it was probably not lit at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>or else this would have been a totally different story.

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<v Speaker 1>But the.

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<v Speaker 2>Flammable liquid inside probably camphene, which is kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>it's derived from the same stuff as that turpentine is

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<v Speaker 2>made from it. He found that where it had spilled

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like cleaned his tablecloth, and he said, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I think I might be onto something here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that is we sort of buried the lead.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not dry cleaning, because there is liquid. But what

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<v Speaker 1>the liquids are and always have been, is some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of solvent to clean your clothes. Early solvents were very

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous and flammable. Sometimes it was kerosene, sometimes it was gasoline. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, I think it was. Was it the Viscilla

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<v Speaker 1>Axe murder episode where the rugs were super flammable because

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<v Speaker 1>they had been cleaned with gas.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was it because I know at some

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<v Speaker 1>point we talked about the fact that gasoline was used

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<v Speaker 1>to clean stuff, and that's why one of these houses

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<v Speaker 1>like went up and flamed so quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>It might have been the hinter Kfek murders.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh was that a fire?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'll bet it was the Solder children, the

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<v Speaker 2>missing Solder children. There was a fire central to that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that may have been it, but I know we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it. At some point. They used, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like we said, kerosene, gasoline, turpentine, the resin of which

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<v Speaker 1>is terpene. And that is why when you go camping

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<v Speaker 1>you look for what's called like a lighter's not or

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<v Speaker 1>fat lighter, and that is the very resinous interior of

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<v Speaker 1>a pine tree, which is superflammable and that really helps

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<v Speaker 1>get a fire started. But all this to say is

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff was pretty dangerous to use as a close cleaner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so much so that like dry cleaners would explode

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<v Speaker 2>from time to time, so that dry cleaning facility that

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<v Speaker 2>the storefronts would send their clothes to would be located

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<v Speaker 2>on the outskirts of town because it was a very

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<v Speaker 2>very dangerous place, and after they started to move away

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<v Speaker 2>from more flammable solvents, they replaced them with synthetic compounds,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically carbon tetrachloride and trichloroethylene, which worked ish. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that people were kind of bullish on them

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<v Speaker 2>is because they didn't blow up, But there were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of other problems with them, like just as an industry,

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<v Speaker 2>the carbon tetrachloride corroded your machinery, the trichloroethylene was really

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<v Speaker 2>harsh on your clothes, and both of them would give

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<v Speaker 2>you cancer and disrupt your neurological system too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. Before they try these, they tried a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mineral spirit called Stoddard solvent, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>that may have been flammable too. Yeah, But where they

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<v Speaker 1>eventually landed is on something called perchloroethylene or PERK as

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to call it as everybody calls it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it perchloro?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sure is p e erc And that became

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the go to for a long long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It still is the go to percentage wise, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to all that later, but it was much safer

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<v Speaker 1>to use. It did a better job of cleaning. The

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<v Speaker 1>equipment was smaller. It was kind of better in every

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<v Speaker 1>way as far as those previous alternatives. Yeah, that as

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see, it ate so great.

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<v Speaker 2>One other thing that was so alluring about it is

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<v Speaker 2>those dry cleaning facilities could come back into town now

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<v Speaker 2>and your little storefront could actually be the dry cleaning

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<v Speaker 2>facility because it required such less floor space. And this

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<v Speaker 2>solvent was just like a miracle, like you could get

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<v Speaker 2>people's clothes done in an hour. And actually it was

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who started one hour Martinizing, who was a chemist,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the one who went back and was studying

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<v Speaker 2>pair chlora ethylene as a potential solvent and brought it

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<v Speaker 2>into the dry cleaning industry and started one hour martinizing shops.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason they could do it in an hour

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<v Speaker 2>if you paid them enough was because they had the

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<v Speaker 2>facilities on site.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And his name was Gabby Johnson. I don't think so, No,

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<v Speaker 1>was it something Martin?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, Okay, I can't remember his first name, but

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<v Speaker 2>his last name is definitely Martin.

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<v Speaker 1>Because johnsonizing just sounds dirty.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me go out and Johnson eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does. Yeah, I'm like, I'm blessing right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So, like I said, we're going to talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of the downsides of perk. But even at

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<v Speaker 1>the time when they were like, Hey, this is so

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<v Speaker 1>much better and safer, you're like, but geez, working in

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<v Speaker 1>this thing all days, Like I'm like, my breathing is

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<v Speaker 1>a little weird and my eyes are irritated and I

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<v Speaker 1>get a little bit dizzy and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Does anyone else see the elves?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everyone's like, yeah, but it's not flammable. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>turpentine or kerosene, so it's better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of these things. I think per chloroethylene is

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<v Speaker 2>actually related in some way to chloroform. So these early workers,

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<v Speaker 2>especially before we had any kind of handle on just

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<v Speaker 2>how bad perk actually is for you, we're handling this

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<v Speaker 2>really tough stuff. And we'll definitely talk a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>about perk later on. But the uh, well, should we

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<v Speaker 2>take a break and then talk about what happens when

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<v Speaker 2>you drop your clothes off at a dry cleaning place?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, so, okay, well, everybody, we're gonna take a

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<v Speaker 2>break and then come back and talk about what happens

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<v Speaker 2>when you drop your clothes off at a dry cleaning place.

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<v Speaker 1>Get I say something. Yeah, before the break, you sounded

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<v Speaker 1>like John Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the guy who started one hour martinizing?

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<v Speaker 1>No, have you seen John Wilson's TV show How To

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<v Speaker 1>with John Wilson?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great. I had a three season run and it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he have a glasses and kind of sandy blonde hair?

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<v Speaker 1>He has glasses, but he's never seen on screen.

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<v Speaker 2>So, oh no, I'm not sure who that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, yeah, her the show, but he also sort of

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<v Speaker 1>talks like this as a narrator.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, he sounds like my kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very fun, it's a great It's one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite shows, so highly recommended. But this is not about

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<v Speaker 1>John Wilson. This is about although he may do a

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<v Speaker 1>show called how to Get Your Clothes Clean, this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing he does, but when you drop your stuff

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<v Speaker 1>off at a dry cleaner, and we'll kind of whiz

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<v Speaker 1>bang through this first part because it's it's certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>super interesting, but they're gonna inspect your clothes. One reason

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<v Speaker 1>and they're going to do that is to see like

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<v Speaker 1>where the lasagna stain is or if it's not stained.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's just a regular old Hey, I'm Wayne Smith

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to get all my shirts perfect, they

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<v Speaker 1>are going to go over it so they can cover

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<v Speaker 1>their own butt. As far as when people come back

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<v Speaker 1>and say, hey, the button's missing, they can say, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>sir or ma'am, your button was missing when it came

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<v Speaker 1>in here, because we wrote it down and showed you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, peep the sticker chump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This is kind of what they're famous for saying. If

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<v Speaker 2>they do find some stain that they're like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know about this one. It could be tough. As

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see, the different types of stain require different types

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<v Speaker 2>of treatments. They'll pre treat it, and then the dry

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<v Speaker 2>cleaning takes place, and this is where the magic happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I really feel like this is some good stuff here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So here's what happens. We repeat the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it just means no water, your clothes are still

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<v Speaker 1>getting wet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, say it again?

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<v Speaker 1>Well I just did. Can't we say it another time?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, no water, that's all dry cleaning means.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it gets wet. Your clothes gets super duper wet,

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<v Speaker 2>soaked even but not in water instead in an industrial

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<v Speaker 2>synthetic solvent perk, the perk that we've talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they do this in huge machines. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these cleaning machines are not that different from just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of your garden variety industrial wet laundry machine as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I can tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there what's called dry to dry machines, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>that the washer and the dryer are housed in the

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<v Speaker 2>same machine. It's the same drum you put the clothes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Once they get washed, they get dried in the same

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<v Speaker 2>little drum, and then you pull them out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it happens. The cycles are much faster, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's all kinds of things that we'll talk talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that make it different. But if you put it in there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still got a drum that's gonna spin and jostle

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<v Speaker 1>your clothes around twenty two one hundred pounds depending on

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<v Speaker 1>how big the machine is. It is a stainless steel

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<v Speaker 1>basket that's perforated for drainage and stuff like that. It's there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're super robust because perk is about seventy percent sixty

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent in fact, heavier than water is. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's this stuff's heavy. It's all just super juiced up motors,

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<v Speaker 1>heavy duty equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean they shoot a lot of perk

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<v Speaker 2>at this stuff. I think on the order of like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five gallons an hour. They really johnsonize the clothes withever.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's cool you said that there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>differences between these these industrial dry cleaning machines and like

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<v Speaker 2>say an industrial washer dryer, And the key difference is

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<v Speaker 2>that that perk, the solvent that you use as the

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<v Speaker 2>cleaning agent, it's recovered to the greatest extent possible. We've

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<v Speaker 2>reached what are called fifth generation machines. First generation machine

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<v Speaker 2>was a washer, and then over here was a dryer.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you were dry cleaning something you moved it

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<v Speaker 2>from the washer to the dryer, you got perk everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it all over yourself, you got it all

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<v Speaker 2>over the floor, and you wasted a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of the older machines you would have to

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<v Speaker 2>refill the perk that was used and recovered in this

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<v Speaker 2>machine every couple of months. Now it's on the order

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<v Speaker 2>of every couple of years. That's amazing, Yeah, because this

0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.080
<v Speaker 2>perk doesn't really break down very much and it stays

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<v Speaker 2>a viable solvent for years and years and years if

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<v Speaker 2>you keep it in this closed system.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it separates from water as well, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because it's again it's seventy percent heavier in the water.

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<v Speaker 2>Water floats on top of it, and most of these

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.879
<v Speaker 2>machines feature a little mouse that comes along with a

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<v Speaker 2>tiny little snow shovel who's very happy to move the

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<v Speaker 2>water out of the way with its snow shovel and

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<v Speaker 2>water skis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's right. There are also things like carbon absorbers.

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<v Speaker 1>There are inductive fans. They have these sensors that will

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<v Speaker 1>lock everything if there is like if the perk level

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<v Speaker 1>is too high, you can't even open it. So they

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<v Speaker 1>got to get as much of that perk out of

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<v Speaker 1>that thing before you open the door, which has made

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<v Speaker 1>things much much safer. But again, perk has some dirty

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<v Speaker 1>secrets that we're going to reveal later on. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is, you know, you're looking to get clean

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<v Speaker 1>solvent by pumping out that perk through a filtration system.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though, like you said, there's spraying a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of that stuff in.

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<v Speaker 2>There, Yeah, usually about twenty five gallons a minute, So

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<v Speaker 2>like I think there'll be two hundred gallons over like

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<v Speaker 2>an eight minute cycle pumped in and there's not two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred gallons of perk in there at any one time.

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<v Speaker 2>Is new perk is coming in. The old perk that's

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<v Speaker 2>gone through the clothes already and is clinging to dirt

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<v Speaker 2>is filtered out right. So this is like this constant

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<v Speaker 2>process of perk, old perk, new perk coming in, old

0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 2>perk going out through these filters and everything. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when the cycle's done and all the perk spun out

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<v Speaker 2>and it's been removed from the basket, they heat the

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<v Speaker 2>basket to vaporize the remaining perk, and then that also

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.080
<v Speaker 2>gets captured because they run that through condenser coils to

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<v Speaker 2>turn it back into liquid and put it back in

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the filtered perk reservoir. It's a pretty astounding machine that

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<v Speaker 2>the dry cleaners use for this stuff. But it's really

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<v Speaker 2>it's just impressive like this, the leaps and bounds that

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<v Speaker 2>they've gone through to figure out how to maximize the

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<v Speaker 2>lifetime of a perk molecule and minimize the chance that

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<v Speaker 2>it will be lost.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. Something I've done a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>past two days is watch dry cleaning videos.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, tell me you saw the one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know what was the one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called what is dry cleaning? Does dry cleaning work?

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<v Speaker 2>On YouTube? Did you see that one? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I watched a lot of similar ones. I love processes

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<v Speaker 1>like this so I can watch things like this and

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:16.320
<v Speaker 1>stay riveted. I thought it was genuinely interesting. And one

0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>thing this article points out is that quality control can

0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, like how your clothes come out in the end. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just like, you know, they got the machine,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's what it does. It's human beings that are

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<v Speaker 1>overseeing this stuff and making sure that everything comes out

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right if they are, you know, if they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>it the right way. And I saw a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>videos where they were owners and operators talked about how

0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:46.360
<v Speaker 1>important it was to have humans inspecting each and everything

0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:49.360
<v Speaker 1>that comes out, yeah, and making sure it like passes

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<v Speaker 1>their their rigorous standards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if you don't keep your filters clean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>guessing like after every cycle, essentially that perk's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to get filtered as much, so you're going to be

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.240
<v Speaker 2>using dirty perk solvent and that has a really terrible

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 2>effect on clothes. It can make close dingy, right, it

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 2>can make close dingy over time. Perk interacts with colors,

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.119
<v Speaker 2>so it can actually strip the dye from some colors

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 2>and then bring it into other colors in the next load.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a good dry cleaner, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>clean their filters frequently, and if you keep up with that,

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<v Speaker 2>then yeah, the quality is going to be through the

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<v Speaker 2>roof essentially.

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, So if hopefully your quality control is through the

0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 1>roof at your local dry cleaner, they're going to take

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 1>that garment out, inspect it and then say, sometimes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, the machine and the perk did not

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 1>get all the stain out, but I think I can

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<v Speaker 1>do this as with my own two hands. And so

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<v Speaker 1>this is called post cleaning spot removal, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>just extra post cleaning processes that is done by a

0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 1>person to make sure that stain gets out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because dray cleaning facility, they have a whole array

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<v Speaker 2>of solvents that are specifically four different types of stains

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and apparently you can divide two stains into two general camps.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got wet type stains which are wet in nature

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 2>like tea, wine something like that. You have dry side stains,

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.679
<v Speaker 2>which are typically grease or oil based rather than water based,

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 2>and depending on those, you need either a solvent for

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the dry type stains or some sort of water solution,

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:35.199
<v Speaker 2>usually with enzymes like shout or something like that for

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the wet type stains. And depending on that type of stain,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll use a specific kind of solvent in the post

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.639
<v Speaker 2>spotting or the pre spotting. But that's why it's really important.

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.120
<v Speaker 2>If you take your clothes to the dry cleaner, don't

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 2>just throw the shirt at them and be like, peace.

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll see at five, Like, say, there's this tea stain

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<v Speaker 2>right here that I just find too stubborn to even

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<v Speaker 2>begin with. I can't even bother with it. But can

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 2>you please get this tea stain out? They'll say, yes,

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's a wet side stain. You'll say, I

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 2>don't care, just get the stain out, and then you

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 2>leave and say peace. I'll see you at five. But

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 2>at least you've told them very rudely. You've told them

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 2>about that stain, and they'll treat it accordingly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as far as you yourself pre treating a stain,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you ask your dry cleaner, they're probably

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna say that could make it worse. Don't bother, or

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't do anything, don't bother. I mean, there are

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:32.199
<v Speaker 1>various sort of home recipes that you will find on

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the internet if you've spilled things like wine.

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot out there.

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.200
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of them. So I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna give advice either way on that because I

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<v Speaker 1>think sometimes that could help, but I don't know enough

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<v Speaker 1>about it. It also could make the stain worse, So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna. I'm gonna say, you know, you're on

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<v Speaker 1>your own.

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<v Speaker 2>I found a short article on the internet, Chuck, that

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<v Speaker 2>was by the Smithsonian's preservationists about how to remove stains.

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, pretty sure these people know how to

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<v Speaker 2>remove old stains, so I would go with whatever advice they're.

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Giving, all right, So in lieu of repeating it, you're

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna say, ask the Smithsonian what they.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, pretty much. And then there's one other other thing

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I want to shout out, which appropriately a shout because

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 2>if shout didn't exist, I would have to buy new

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:22.160
<v Speaker 2>T shirts every week. Essentially, I'd spill stuff on myself

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 2>all the time. It's really strange, but shout works really,

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 2>really well. And I love it. I love shout so much.

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 2>And I went online and found that there's a shout

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<v Speaker 2>like ask shout how to treat a particular kind of stain.

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.199
<v Speaker 2>So there's like some different criteria put in and then

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 2>shout tells you what to do, what shout product will

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 2>work or what you know whether you should try, you know,

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>heat or whatever. And I thought that was a very

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:50.640
<v Speaker 2>helpful sight as well.

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think i've ever used shout.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so good.

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Emily won't allow that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now shout specifically too. I'm not talking about any competitor.

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking specifically about shout.

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 1>What's your question.

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a question. I just wanted to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure everybody knows how much shout helps my life.

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I got y'all thought you were asking if shout specifically

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 1>was what Emily won't allow on that.

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>No, no, but let's get to that. Why is Emily

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>opposed to shout?

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean we've been all through this and Emily's

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>all natural sort of Oh the Kims, Sure, yeah, but regardless,

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. I've got some stained shirts probably as a result.

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Bring them to my house. I'll secretly wash them with shout.

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Some stains won't come out. I mean, that's just the

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>fact of the matter. A dry cleaner can do their

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:41.880
<v Speaker 1>very best, but if a dry cleaner can't get out

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>of stain, that means that that stain is just forever there.

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Yep, you just set that shirt on fire and say,

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:48.439
<v Speaker 2>no one could love.

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 1>You now exactly. To me, the finishing process is the

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 1>most interesting because when you're walking through Waynsmith's closet and

0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 1>you see all those shirts so perfectly pressed, a little

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>stiff for me, but that's how Wayne liked him. I

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>always was like, how in the world, Like, what is

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>going on there to get these things looking like that

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>or that double crease?

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure he was one of those people.

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:18.959
<v Speaker 1>This is all called the finishing process, and it is.

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>These are the videos. They're a lot of fun to

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>watch on YouTube in my opinion.

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's pretty nuts. They have like a specific

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>machine for each one of these things. And again you

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of touched on it, like this is a very

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>automated process, but there's humans overseeing the automation at like

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 2>every step of the way, so there's like people working

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 2>in conjunction with machines. It's kind of beautiful in a way.

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>What I hope the futures like rather than the machines

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 2>just completely dominating us into extinction. But I saw some

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>probably some of those same videos you did, where they'll

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 2>like take a shirt and then puff it up with air.

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Suddenly it's like an invisible person's in the shirt and

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>then they're running like steamed through it and getting like

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 2>the press to it. It's pretty neat.

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's amazing. They put it on this form called

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>a shirt buck, or it could be a double buck

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 1>or a triple buck if there are several of these,

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's basically like a almost like just a

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>torso form. And when they blast this steam in there,

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>it's not like when you have a steamer at home,

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>like a home steamer and you have a you know,

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>something hanging in you're sort of gently steaming it. It

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>is blasting steam in there, like you said, to where

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>it puffs up, whether it's pants or whether it's on

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>a shirt buck. And while it is they do this

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>while it's wet. Then they blow it out with that

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>air in a very violent manner to where it puffs up,

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and at that point the shirt looks really good to

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>my eyeballs, or the pants or whatever, but that that

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>is not it because they still go through a ironing process,

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>whether it is a sort of an ironing board with

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>a big, large press that closes down like a coffin lid,

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:06.959
<v Speaker 1>or a huge line of human beings with irons that

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 1>are connected to a had like a tube coming from

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the ceiling into the back of the iron, which what

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I assume is delivering steam so they didn't have to

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>keep like refilling the iron with water. And they are

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>there are human beings ironing I saw in case it matters.

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 1>The toughest thing and the most time consuming to press

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>are chinos or any kind of cotton pant.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not have guessed, oh, because they take another

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>like you can so easily wrinkle them while you're pressing

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>one part of it. I guess gotta be because that's

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>my experience.

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's it's pretty amazing. And that's when those

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>things and when you when there are interviews with these people,

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>they're really you can tell they're into making this stuff

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>look perfect.

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something we should say that I'm not sure if

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>we've gotten across, but in the dry cleaning process, your

0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 2>clothes actually get wet. But in addition to that, there's

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 2>a reason why a lot of kinds of clothes say

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 2>dry clean only. It's because they're very delicate fabrics. They're

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 2>fabrics that could shrink very easily. That's one of the

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 2>big problems with water. Water penetrates fabric and so it

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>can actually collapse, like the tension of the weave. It

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 2>can cause like in like wool, I saw that wool

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>hair fibers have scales that the water basically makes stick together,

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>and so water shrinks things. Dry cleaning solvents don't actually

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>penetrate the fabric. They manage to get stains off, but

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 2>they don't they don't do anything that would cause like

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>your your your shirt or your sweater or whatever to shrink.

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 2>And they're much more delicate on the garment itself, Like yeah,

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>it tumbles and all that stuff, but it's much softer,

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 2>much more delicate. So there's a reason why some things

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 2>say dry clean only, and there's so that's essentially the

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 2>point of dry cleaning is it treats fabrics much more

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 2>gently in the process and in the types of chemicals

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<v Speaker 2>are used.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, even if you're just standard clothing, like

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the washing and drying process at home is just it's

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 1>rough on clothes periods. Sure, that's what causes a lot

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>of like wear and tear on your clothes. It's not

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>necessarily from literally wearing it, but just that washing and

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>drying process is just it's tough, you know.

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, it is. Plus it's time consuming.

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you ever do that? Do you ever do that?

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Deal like when you were a single guy, where you

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>would drop your laundry off and have someone else do it.

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I I think I might have in college, although this

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 2>could be one of those things where I'm like making

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 2>up a memory just to you know, sound like a

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>big shot, but I I think maybe once. But no,

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, I would do it myself. Now.

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>U mean's like I got the laundry, I know what

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing. You just spray shout on your stuff and

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll wash it.

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I did it occasionally back in the day when

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I was super broke, I would scrape up enough money

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 1>to have someone do my laundry because it was just

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>there was nothing like it. You know.

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. Man. I got one other thing. Do you

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 2>have something with other brand? None?

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>You know how they put plastic over your your dry

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>cleaning when you take it home.

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that process is even cool.

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>It is pretty cool. It's a machine with a human

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 2>working with the machine, is it not. Okay, So that's

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>intended to get your stuff home, to keep your dirty,

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 2>nasty Cheetos filled car from getting your new clothes cleaned

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>or your new clean clothes dirty. When you get it home,

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 2>you want to take it off. You want to take

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the plastic off and recycle it. You can recycle plastic

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's called plastic film at your grocery store

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 2>along with your plastic grocery bag. So don't throw it away,

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>recycle it, but get it off your clothes immediately when

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you get home, because it can actually really become harsh

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>and just trapped in the clothing under the plastic. You

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 2>don't want to just store your clothes in plastic in

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>your closet.

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>If I walk into your closet and you got a

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>bunch of stuff hanging there in dry cleaner bag, I'm

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>calling the police because I'm in fear for my life.

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 2>For sure, because there's probably a person in one of

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:08.240
<v Speaker 2>those backs too, right.

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know who never I never saw that,

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And you know whose closet? I never saw that?

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>In Rad's dad, Wayne Smith, that's.

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Right, No way, all right? Should we take another break?

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I think so.

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>All right, we're gonna come back and basically the rest

0:34:23.760 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 1>of the episode is going to be about chemicals. All right.

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>We promised talk of chemicals, and that's what we're gonna do,

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>because we're going to talk a lot about perk. Just statistically,

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>we can go ahead and throw out some numbers. Sixty

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>to sixty five percent of dry cleaners in the United

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 1>States still use perk. That sounds high, fairly high. It's

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 1>higher in Europe about eighty five percent.

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>That's higher.

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good average, because I did see other numbers,

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.799
<v Speaker 1>but that looks to be about the average. And I

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>also found this that a lot of EU countries have

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>mandated fifth generation machines, although you could get a there

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 1>are allowances if you have a fourth generation, if you

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 1>do all this other stuff. In the US you can

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>have if you have a second generation machine. There are

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>no first generation anymore.

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Basically, yeah, that was the separate washer dryer. Yeah.

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you have a second generation machine in the US,

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you can upgrade it. I'm sorry, you have to upgrade

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>it to at least a fourth And if you have

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>a third. It can actually be retrofitted to make it

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a fourth, but they're not selling or installing anything anymore

0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>unless it's a fifth generation.

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I gotcha, unless you like know a guy.

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's because perk is a neurotoxin and it

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>causes all sorts of problems with people and the environment.

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We talked about how the stuff that perk replaced

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.399
<v Speaker 2>turned out to be neurotoxins. Well, perk's are neurotoxin too,

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>which I mean just the fact that it's related to

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 2>chloroform is probably something of a giveaway. But it's even

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>worse than anyone thought. And in the nineties the United

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 2>States EPA started being like, hey, we've been studying this

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.320
<v Speaker 2>perk on the side here, and it's actually really bad.

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>It can do some magical stuff, like for all intents

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and purposes, it's magic in the way that it can

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>move through the environment. For example, when we talked about

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 2>those transfer machines truck where you would take the wet

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.439
<v Speaker 2>perk laden laundry and move it into the dryer.

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Spill Perk'll do it home exactly, per.

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, But imagine it's perk dripping on your floor. That

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>perk is able to travel through concrete, through soil and

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 2>get into groundwater. And even while it's getting into groundwater,

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.800
<v Speaker 2>other molecules of perk are getting stuck in the little

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 2>air pockets, vaporizing and spreading elsewhere, and then going up

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 2>into neighboring buildings and people are breathing it in there.

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 2>And again, this is a neurotoxin, it's a carcinogen, and

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.800
<v Speaker 2>it is the thing that has fueled the dry cleaning

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 2>industry for the last eighty years. And we're just starting

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 2>to realize that if you have an old dry cleaning

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 2>facility that you own, it's probably a super fun site

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and you're going to have to spend an eye popping

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 2>amount of money to clean it up or else you'll

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about go to jail, but you certainly

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 2>will never be able to sell the place.

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was reading up on some EPA studies and

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 1>they followed a group of Cape Cod communities in this

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>one study because apparently there was a lot of perk

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 1>in their area, a lot of perk prolonged perk exposure,

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 1>and they found that it was in the drinking water

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>in these Cape Cod communities. And in these communities they

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>found a host of pregnancy related issues over the years,

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 1>as well as an increased risk of bipolar disorder, illicit

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:34.240
<v Speaker 1>drug use PTSD, vision problems, and some kinds of cancer. Wow,

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, not going to say like every single bit

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 1>of that is perk, but this was a very long

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 1>term study over this community or these communities that were

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of riddled with perk exposure. And it's so bad

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that the EPA said by December twenty twenty, it's legal

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 1>to use it, but you can't be in a like

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>a residential building. You can't be on the ground floor

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>of a New York City apartartment building and still be

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>using perk. And states like California, of course, have completely

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>banned perk as of this year. Well, is this coming

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>out next year this year?

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 2>As of Yeah, it's coming out next year. So we're

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:15.280
<v Speaker 2>talking about last.

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Year, yeah, which is twenty twenty three.

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they said we're done, it's over, like we're

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 2>you can't use perk anymore. And not only that, we're

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 2>requiring you again, remember these small business owners to pay

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.320
<v Speaker 2>for these cleanups. Like as I think the Small Business

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Administration passed a rule that said, if you own a

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 2>dry cleaner or you own a building that has historically

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 2>housed a dry cleaner, even decades ago, you have to

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 2>pay an environmental consultant to come in and tell you

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 2>whether your site's contaminated. And I think there was a

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and two Florida study. This is two thousand

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 2>and two, so there was the I couldn't find a

0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 2>more updated one, but it said that they found eye

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 2>cleaner contamination to migrated off site at fifty seven percent

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>of contaminated sites. And a more recent study by the

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:12.880
<v Speaker 2>EPA found that seventy five percent of dry cleaning sites

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>are contaminated and they think there's possibly nine thousand and

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:22.320
<v Speaker 2>ninety thousand former dry cleaning sites that are contaminated as well.

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you have to pay sometimes a few million

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>dollars to remediate this site. What's nuts, Chuck. I don't

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 2>know if you saw in that San Luis Obispo article

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:38.320
<v Speaker 2>that even if you're like, if you're a barber shop

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:42.239
<v Speaker 2>and there used to be a dry cleaning place in

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 2>your building, in your shop twenty years before, long before

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>you ever came along and bought the place, you still

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 2>have to have that environmental study run and then pay

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 2>for any cleanup that's found. Wow, it's nuts. It's off

0:40:57.719 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 2>the rails right now.

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:01.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, all the damage we were talking

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>about potential risks and damage to humans, that's not even

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, covering the damage that it does to aquatic creatures.

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>And the fact that this runoff, you know, once it

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>gets into the groundwater and then they runoff in various

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:18.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, bodies of water really really bad for you know,

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 1>basically anything in the water.

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of people are like, well, I'm just

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 2>going to close up shop, and they're like, you still

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 2>have to pay for it, you know, like it's it's

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 2>really a nightmare for people who are just who own

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 2>these dry cleaning places. And the reason why they have

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:36.560
<v Speaker 2>like a real chance or a case saying like why

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>should we have to fut this bill ourselves is because

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 2>they were following like they often had to get permits

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 2>in some states to use perk in decades.

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Past, so the government gave them.

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Exactly so they were following best practices, they were getting

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 2>the permits they needed to to use perk. And now

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 2>that everybody's like perk's really bad, you need to clean

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:57.399
<v Speaker 2>it up, They're like, well, wait a minute, I need

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 2>some help here. So I hope just for the the

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 2>small business owner's sake, yeah, that there's a shift in

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, who needs to pay for this because posedly

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:12.839
<v Speaker 2>it's an eight billion dollar problem in the United States alone. Wow.

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So obviously, with the problems of perk and the

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 1>shrinking numbers of people using perk or dry cleaners using perk,

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 1>you're wondering, probably, well, what are they using these days?

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Green dry cleaning is a thing now that is becoming

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:33.480
<v Speaker 1>more widespread, kind of slowly, I guess, but that seems

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to be the future. And there are currently four different

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 1>methods of quote unquote green dry cleaning, and we're going

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:42.879
<v Speaker 1>to talk about those.

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm glad you said quote unquote yeah, because.

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Because we're going to talk about some green washing terms

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:49.840
<v Speaker 1>here in a minute too.

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Sure, big time.

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Wet cleaning, We're there, everyone, It uses water. We're back

0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:00.839
<v Speaker 1>to water. It uses water and these very specialized detergents

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.800
<v Speaker 1>that are basically just easier on your clothes or much milder.

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 1>The EPA says, it's you know, you're not using hazardous chemicals,

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you're not generating hazardous waste, you're not generating air pollution,

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and you're not contaminating the water around you. You're not

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 1>going to be a super fun site if you switch

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.799
<v Speaker 1>to wet cleaning. But that also costs money, and that's

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 1>why places like King County where Seattle, Washington is is saying, hey,

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:31.240
<v Speaker 1>you can get a grant to help cover the costs

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.320
<v Speaker 1>of which is like between forty and sixty grand depending

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 1>on how big your operation is of switching to this

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 1>greener wet cleaning.

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, And some people are like, it's not going to

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 2>work as well as dry cleaning, and they're like, give

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.799
<v Speaker 2>it a chance. We've really made some advances. So the

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 2>jury's out on wet cleaning. But I think just the

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 2>fact that it's one of the actual green alternatives that

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 2>is truly green, that isn't green washing. Who knows it

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>might be the future of dry cleaning is wet cleaning,

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>which I wonder if they'll still call it dry cleaning.

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:04.839
<v Speaker 1>I bet they will. You think, so, yeah, you can't.

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a there's such brand identity there.

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, it's not a brand.

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:10.840
<v Speaker 1>But you know what I mean, Uh, tell us about

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>liquid Co two because that's another good one. Huh.

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 2>This one is supposedly totally non toxic, environmentally friendly, and

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:22.319
<v Speaker 2>it uses liquid CO two, which you know like the

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.200
<v Speaker 2>power of oxy or how you use like baking sod

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. Carbon dioxide can actually lift stains

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 2>off of fabrics. So this is a combination of liquid

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 2>CO two and gas CO two that's used instead of

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:38.880
<v Speaker 2>solvents or I guess as a solvent in dry cleaning machines.

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:44.320
<v Speaker 2>And the problem with these there's very few problems that

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>they actually use CO two that's captured from other industrial sites.

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 2>So the CO two that's being used in these new

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 2>generation liquid CO two dry cleaning machines would have become

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 2>air pollution otherwise, so they've figured out a way to

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 2>divert air pollution into dry cleaning. The real downside of

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 2>is it's really really expensive to switch over to CO

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 2>two cleaning machines. I think they're about one hundred and

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:13.440
<v Speaker 2>fifty grand each was is like three times more than

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>a perk machine.

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like a Gen five perk.

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Exactly band name Gen five per Yeah, I think so

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>again one of your early bands before you like really

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 2>form a good band.

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's also a one, this is the third one

0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 1>on our list called d F two thousand hydrocarbon solvent.

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 1>This is the one where they're they're using the term organic.

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 1>They're saying this solvent is organic, and that is That

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 1>is where you got to get a little things get

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 1>a little tricky because organic is very much or very

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:55.799
<v Speaker 1>much can be a greenwashing word. I'm not saying that

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.960
<v Speaker 1>is in this case necessarily, but it can. Okay, well,

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:03.239
<v Speaker 1>it's very misleading because organic means that it has what

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Green Earth and we're gonna tell about them in a second,

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Green Earth says that just means it has a carbon backbone. Yeah,

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:12.319
<v Speaker 1>like gasoline is organic. And when you see words like

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 1>organic or biodegradable like that doesn't mean that it's awesome.

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Things can biodegrade into a hazardous substance. Still.

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So DF two thousand is produced by Exxon Mobile,

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 2>if that gives you any clarity on whether it's green

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 2>or not. And even the container it looks like a

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:35.839
<v Speaker 2>five gallon jug of motor oil. Essentially there's I think

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Conico makes their own version whatever, and it's a petroleum

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 2>based solvent just like they used to use back in

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.840
<v Speaker 2>the day where dry cleaners blue up once in a while.

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 2>If you're using a hydrocarbon solvent. You have to have

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:52.800
<v Speaker 2>an air pollution certificate, and it's cheap, like the machines

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 2>that use them, a way cheaper than a liquid carbon

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>dioxide cleaning machine. But currently it's being you know, tow

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.680
<v Speaker 2>it as an organic green alternative, so some people are

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 2>starting to use this, I would guess to their dismay

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>five or ten years down the road, because there are

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 2>actual like green alternatives, including liquid carbon dioxide and wet cleaning.

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The last one on our list here is a

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:21.920
<v Speaker 1>silicon based solvents and the biggest it's a brand name.

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 1>The largest brand of green dry cleaning processes is called

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Green Earth all one word but still a capital G,

0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:34.840
<v Speaker 1>capital E, and they use liquid silicone, which is odorless

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 1>and colorless and apparently is a great carrier for detergents.

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's also inert. So remember we said that perk

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.280
<v Speaker 2>can interact with your dyes and stuff and cause fading.

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 2>This stuff does not interact with the fabric itself, not

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:52.359
<v Speaker 2>chemically at least, so it doesn't It doesn't cause any

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of fading or anything like that, and it breaks

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 2>down into sand and water and carbon dioxide when you

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 2>get rid of it, right, Yeah, is is it releases

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:06.399
<v Speaker 2>dioxin when it's produced. It's a carcinogen, and I saw

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:10.440
<v Speaker 2>somewhere that it's been shown to be. Siloxane has been

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 2>shown to be carcinogenic in rats and possibly hepatotoxic, which

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:21.799
<v Speaker 2>means it affects liver function. So this one is very

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 2>much touted as a green alternative, but the jury is

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:28.399
<v Speaker 2>definitely still out on, you know, whether it's it's non

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>toxic or not.

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, there are actually people in the world.

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I call them that guy that say things like we

0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:38.360
<v Speaker 1>just don't get any rats to work. There problem solved?

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Who says that? Just people show them to me.

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like, it's been you know, this has been shown

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to kill rats, and you're like, oh, so don't get

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 1>any rats around.

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you. It's like, well, hey, how about you

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 2>get a job doing that, working with it? Then if

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you have no problems with it, mister smarty pants.

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:57.799
<v Speaker 1>So I think we should repeat the CEO too. The

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 1>liquid carbon dioxide cleaning is seems to be the best,

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 1>most green process, but it's just the cost of those machines.

0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 1>There's always a downside.

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:10.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's always a downside. I can't think of any

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 2>wiser words to end this one on.

0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else, you know. I had to take

0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:18.680
<v Speaker 1>my rug into a dry cleaner not too long ago

0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.879
<v Speaker 1>down the street, and they were very nice, even though

0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 1>they sent it to a facility and it took far

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:29.360
<v Speaker 1>too long to correct this the stain on my rug

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.839
<v Speaker 1>in my new studio, and I was very mad because

0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 1>it was a brand new I actually wouldn't have stained.

0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:38.600
<v Speaker 1>It had gotten wet and it smelled. It was what's

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 1>like that sour wet smell.

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:42.319
<v Speaker 2>From being johnsonized.

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Listener mail, Yeah, Chuck.

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Said, listener mail everybody, So that means it's time for

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 2>the listener mail.

0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 1>This is from Natalie. Hey, guys, I'm a postdoc research

0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:06.440
<v Speaker 1>scientist studying paleoclimatology and paleo oceanography. And that's from Natalie

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 1>the en. You guys always do a great job with

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 1>your Earth science episode. In the recent episode on plate tectonics,

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 1>so it was a bit of a misopportunity though, to

0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.359
<v Speaker 1>highlight a cool gal who played a part in the

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<v Speaker 1>acceptance of the theory of plate tectonics, Marie Tharp. She

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<v Speaker 1>created the first world map of the seafloor and discovered

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<v Speaker 1>the giant Mountain range between the Atlantic Ocean that we

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<v Speaker 1>now know is a mid Atlantic range. That's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Because she is a woman in science, she had to

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<v Speaker 1>fight a bit of an uphill battle to get her

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<v Speaker 1>work accepted. She talks about how her initial interpretations were

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<v Speaker 1>dismissed as quote girl talk. She's she was confined to

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<v Speaker 1>the background, with her male colleague getting much of the

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<v Speaker 1>credit for her ideas until more recently. Seems like a

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<v Speaker 1>fun person, and Emon mentions how she wanted to include

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<v Speaker 1>mermaids and shipwrecks in the first map, but her colleague

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Heasen would have none of it. Come on, Bruce,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fun for sure. There's a great photo of her

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<v Speaker 1>looking like a ba smoking a cigarette at her drafting table,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is from Natalie.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a Lott. Natalie. Yeah, it's kind of disappointing we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't run across her in our research, but maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't looking in the right places.

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<v Speaker 1>Check well, it sounds like there's a pretty good reason

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<v Speaker 1>for that, So hats off, our beret is off to

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<v Speaker 1>Marie Tharp.

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<v Speaker 2>Marie Tharp, look out for an episode on her. At

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<v Speaker 2>some point in time. Her and our friend Frederick Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabby Johnson.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not Gabby Johnson. You know the guy who originally

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<v Speaker 2>invented dry cleaning back in eighteen twenty one. Oh, Thomas Jennings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we should totally do one on Thomas Jennings.

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<v Speaker 2>It was way off with Frederick Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all right. I think Gabby Johnson can teach you.

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<v Speaker 2>So too well. If you want to get in touch

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