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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here and we are ready to martinize

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Speaker 2: the heck out of you in one hour or less.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you like heavy starch, medium guy.

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Speaker 2: You want a double crease in your pant legs. I

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Speaker 2: had to look that up. Have you ever heard of

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Speaker 2: such a thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I got a triple crease? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: No, for real, have you heard of a double crease before?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I'm not someone who often

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Speaker 2: You and a lot of people these days, pall. Apparently

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Speaker 2: the pandemic just crushed dry cleaning because people stopped going

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Speaker 2: to the office as much, which means that they stop

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Speaker 2: needing clothes that required dry cleaning as much. But even

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Speaker 2: before that, people had sorry to work from home a

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Speaker 2: than before. So dry cleaners have been hurting for a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't have much of a need.

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Speaker 1: If there's a particular stain or something that I'm really

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Speaker 1: But I was taught at a very young age how

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Speaker 1: don't often have to do that because I rarely have

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Speaker 2: You don't put a double crease in your jeans?

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Speaker 1: What's a double crease?

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Speaker 2: So I looked it up. It strikes me as possibly

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Speaker 2: those would have double creases. The only thing I could find,

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Speaker 2: that's the thing that some people request of the dry cleaners,

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Speaker 2: people who ain't quite right. I take it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My big dry cleaning sort of memory and story

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Speaker 2: You have a dry cleaning story.

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Speaker 1: Well not a story, but I just you know, my

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Speaker 1: rad Ye. His dad Wayne had a closet with like

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Speaker 1: No, Wayne was a good guy, but anyway, that's my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and we're going to sort of go through

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Speaker 1: that I just I love those things so much. That's

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Speaker 2: Can't you just imagine like a ham hanging from each

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Speaker 1: I just for some reason I love it. But apparently

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Speaker 1: But the first thing we want to talk about is

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Speaker 1: the fact that dry cleaning is not dry. It just

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Speaker 2: That's a really important point, and I think we'll probably

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Speaker 2: restate it multiple times throughout this episode, just to make

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Speaker 2: sure we're dry at home, though yes we do, whether

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Speaker 1: Let's just camera that simplistic fact home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird. I think it's just kind of

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Speaker 2: Today it doesn't hold up. It's not dry at all,

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Speaker 2: So everybody, I'm sorry to ruin your illusions. Technically it

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Speaker 2: There is a man, a black American named Thomas Jennings,

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Speaker 2: essentially dry cleaning you call it dry scouring, that you

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Speaker 2: thousand patents basically all the patents from seventeen ninety to

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Speaker 2: Thomas Jennings patent. So we're not at all sure exactly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jennings himself could be a great short stuff

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Speaker 2: He also helped to organize something called the Legal Rights Association. Again,

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Speaker 2: follow up, Okay, a couple of decades later, over in France,

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Speaker 2: there is a man named Jean Baptiste Jolie spelled like jolly.

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Speaker 2: It's a great name, all three names together with that

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Speaker 2: He was a dier, a dier maker, and he had

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Speaker 2: Flammable liquid inside probably camphene, which is kind of like

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Speaker 2: know what, I think I might be onto something here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that is we sort of buried the lead.

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Speaker 1: It's not dry cleaning, because there is liquid. But what

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Speaker 1: the liquids are and always have been, is some kind

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Speaker 1: Oh was that a fire?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so much so that like dry cleaners would explode

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Speaker 2: from more flammable solvents, they replaced them with synthetic compounds,

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Speaker 2: specifically carbon tetrachloride and trichloroethylene, which worked ish. I think

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Speaker 2: the carbon tetrachloride corroded your machinery, the trichloroethylene was really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Before they try these, they tried a

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Speaker 1: eventually landed is on something called perchloroethylene or PERK as

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And his name was Gabby Johnson. I don't think so, No,

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Speaker 2: Does anyone else see the elves?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's like, yeah, but it's not flammable. It's not

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Speaker 1: Get I say something. Yeah, before the break, you sounded

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Speaker 1: It's very fun, it's a great It's one of my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, peep the sticker chump.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of what they're famous for saying. If

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Speaker 2: don't know about this one. It could be tough. As

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Speaker 2: I really feel like this is some good stuff here.

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Speaker 1: That's right. So here's what happens. We repeat the fact

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Speaker 2: Yeah, say it again?

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Speaker 1: Well I just did. Can't we say it another time?

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Speaker 1: All right, no water, that's all dry cleaning means.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets wet. Your clothes gets super duper wet,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they do this in huge machines. And you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there what's called dry to dry machines, meaning

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Speaker 1: They're super robust because perk is about seventy percent sixty

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Speaker 2: And some of the older machines you would have to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it separates from water as well, right.

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Speaker 2: Water floats on top of it, and most of these

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Something I've done a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what was the one.

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Speaker 2: It's called what is dry cleaning? Does dry cleaning work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you don't keep your filters clean, I'm

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Speaker 2: guessing like after every cycle, essentially that perk's not going

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Speaker 2: effect on clothes. It can make close dingy, right, it

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Speaker 2: If you have a good dry cleaner, they're going to

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So if hopefully your quality control is through the

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Speaker 1: you know what, the machine and the perk did not

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Speaker 1: get all the stain out, but I think I can

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Speaker 1: this is called post cleaning spot removal, and that is

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Speaker 2: Yes, because dray cleaning facility, they have a whole array

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Speaker 2: You've got wet type stains which are wet in nature

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00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: like tea, wine something like that. You have dry side stains,

437
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 2: which are typically grease or oil based rather than water based,

438
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: and depending on those, you need either a solvent for

439
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: the dry type stains or some sort of water solution,

440
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 2: usually with enzymes like shout or something like that for

441
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: the wet type stains. And depending on that type of stain,

442
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: they'll use a specific kind of solvent in the post

443
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: spotting or the pre spotting. But that's why it's really important.

444
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: If you take your clothes to the dry cleaner, don't

445
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: just throw the shirt at them and be like, peace.

446
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: I'll see at five, Like, say, there's this tea stain

447
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: right here that I just find too stubborn to even

448
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: begin with. I can't even bother with it. But can

449
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: you please get this tea stain out? They'll say, yes,

450
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, that's a wet side stain. You'll say, I

451
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: don't care, just get the stain out, and then you

452
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: leave and say peace. I'll see you at five. But

453
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: at least you've told them very rudely. You've told them

454
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: about that stain, and they'll treat it accordingly.

455
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as you yourself pre treating a stain,

456
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: you know, if you ask your dry cleaner, they're probably

457
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: gonna say that could make it worse. Don't bother, or

458
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't do anything, don't bother. I mean, there are

459
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: various sort of home recipes that you will find on

460
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: the internet if you've spilled things like wine.

461
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: There's a lot out there.

462
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of them. So I don't know. I'm

463
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: not gonna give advice either way on that because I

464
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: think sometimes that could help, but I don't know enough

465
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: about it. It also could make the stain worse, So

466
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I'm gonna say, you know, you're on

467
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: your own.

468
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,239
Speaker 2: I found a short article on the internet, Chuck, that

469
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 2: was by the Smithsonian's preservationists about how to remove stains.

470
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, pretty sure these people know how to

471
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: remove old stains, so I would go with whatever advice they're.

472
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: Giving, all right, So in lieu of repeating it, you're

473
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: just gonna say, ask the Smithsonian what they.

474
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: Think, pretty much. And then there's one other other thing

475
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: I want to shout out, which appropriately a shout because

476
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: if shout didn't exist, I would have to buy new

477
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: T shirts every week. Essentially, I'd spill stuff on myself

478
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: all the time. It's really strange, but shout works really,

479
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: really well. And I love it. I love shout so much.

480
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: And I went online and found that there's a shout

481
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 2: like ask shout how to treat a particular kind of stain.

482
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 2: So there's like some different criteria put in and then

483
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: shout tells you what to do, what shout product will

484
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: work or what you know whether you should try, you know,

485
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: heat or whatever. And I thought that was a very

486
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: helpful sight as well.

487
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't think i've ever used shout.

488
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: Oh so good.

489
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: Emily won't allow that.

490
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: Now shout specifically too. I'm not talking about any competitor.

491
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: I'm talking specifically about shout.

492
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: What's your question.

493
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't have a question. I just wanted to make

494
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: sure everybody knows how much shout helps my life.

495
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: I got y'all thought you were asking if shout specifically

496
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: was what Emily won't allow on that.

497
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: No, no, but let's get to that. Why is Emily

498
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: opposed to shout?

499
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we've been all through this and Emily's

500
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: all natural sort of Oh the Kims, Sure, yeah, but regardless,

501
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: that's fine. I've got some stained shirts probably as a result.

502
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: Bring them to my house. I'll secretly wash them with shout.

503
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: Some stains won't come out. I mean, that's just the

504
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: fact of the matter. A dry cleaner can do their

505
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: very best, but if a dry cleaner can't get out

506
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: of stain, that means that that stain is just forever there.

507
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: Yep, you just set that shirt on fire and say,

508
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: no one could love.

509
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: You now exactly. To me, the finishing process is the

510
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: most interesting because when you're walking through Waynsmith's closet and

511
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: you see all those shirts so perfectly pressed, a little

512
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: stiff for me, but that's how Wayne liked him. I

513
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: always was like, how in the world, Like, what is

514
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: going on there to get these things looking like that

515
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: or that double crease?

516
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: Sure he was one of those people.

517
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 1: This is all called the finishing process, and it is.

518
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: These are the videos. They're a lot of fun to

519
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: watch on YouTube in my opinion.

520
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's pretty nuts. They have like a specific

521
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: machine for each one of these things. And again you

522
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: kind of touched on it, like this is a very

523
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: automated process, but there's humans overseeing the automation at like

524
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: every step of the way, so there's like people working

525
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: in conjunction with machines. It's kind of beautiful in a way.

526
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: What I hope the futures like rather than the machines

527
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: just completely dominating us into extinction. But I saw some

528
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: probably some of those same videos you did, where they'll

529
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: like take a shirt and then puff it up with air.

530
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: Suddenly it's like an invisible person's in the shirt and

531
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: then they're running like steamed through it and getting like

532
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: the press to it. It's pretty neat.

533
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. They put it on this form called

534
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: a shirt buck, or it could be a double buck

535
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: or a triple buck if there are several of these,

536
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: and it's it's basically like a almost like just a

537
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: torso form. And when they blast this steam in there,

538
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: it's not like when you have a steamer at home,

539
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: like a home steamer and you have a you know,

540
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: something hanging in you're sort of gently steaming it. It

541
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: is blasting steam in there, like you said, to where

542
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: it puffs up, whether it's pants or whether it's on

543
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: a shirt buck. And while it is they do this

544
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: while it's wet. Then they blow it out with that

545
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: air in a very violent manner to where it puffs up,

546
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: and at that point the shirt looks really good to

547
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: my eyeballs, or the pants or whatever, but that that

548
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: is not it because they still go through a ironing process,

549
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: whether it is a sort of an ironing board with

550
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: a big, large press that closes down like a coffin lid,

551
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: or a huge line of human beings with irons that

552
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: are connected to a had like a tube coming from

553
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: the ceiling into the back of the iron, which what

554
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: I assume is delivering steam so they didn't have to

555
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: keep like refilling the iron with water. And they are

556
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: there are human beings ironing I saw in case it matters.

557
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: The toughest thing and the most time consuming to press

558
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: are chinos or any kind of cotton pant.

559
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: I would not have guessed, oh, because they take another

560
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: like you can so easily wrinkle them while you're pressing

561
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: one part of it. I guess gotta be because that's

562
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: my experience.

563
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's pretty amazing. And that's when those

564
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: things and when you when there are interviews with these people,

565
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: they're really you can tell they're into making this stuff

566
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: look perfect.

567
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, something we should say that I'm not sure if

568
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: we've gotten across, but in the dry cleaning process, your

569
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: clothes actually get wet. But in addition to that, there's

570
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: a reason why a lot of kinds of clothes say

571
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: dry clean only. It's because they're very delicate fabrics. They're

572
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: fabrics that could shrink very easily. That's one of the

573
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: big problems with water. Water penetrates fabric and so it

574
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: can actually collapse, like the tension of the weave. It

575
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: can cause like in like wool, I saw that wool

576
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: hair fibers have scales that the water basically makes stick together,

577
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: and so water shrinks things. Dry cleaning solvents don't actually

578
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: penetrate the fabric. They manage to get stains off, but

579
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: they don't they don't do anything that would cause like

580
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: your your your shirt or your sweater or whatever to shrink.

581
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: And they're much more delicate on the garment itself, Like yeah,

582
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: it tumbles and all that stuff, but it's much softer,

583
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: much more delicate. So there's a reason why some things

584
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: say dry clean only, and there's so that's essentially the

585
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: point of dry cleaning is it treats fabrics much more

586
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: gently in the process and in the types of chemicals

587
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: are used.

588
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even if you're just standard clothing, like

589
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: the washing and drying process at home is just it's

590
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: rough on clothes periods. Sure, that's what causes a lot

591
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: of like wear and tear on your clothes. It's not

592
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: necessarily from literally wearing it, but just that washing and

593
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: drying process is just it's tough, you know.

594
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it is. Plus it's time consuming.

595
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you ever do that? Do you ever do that?

596
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: Deal like when you were a single guy, where you

597
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: would drop your laundry off and have someone else do it.

598
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: I I think I might have in college, although this

599
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: could be one of those things where I'm like making

600
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: up a memory just to you know, sound like a

601
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: big shot, but I I think maybe once. But no,

602
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: for the most part, I would do it myself. Now.

603
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: U mean's like I got the laundry, I know what

604
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm doing. You just spray shout on your stuff and

605
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: I'll wash it.

606
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did it occasionally back in the day when

607
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: I was super broke, I would scrape up enough money

608
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: to have someone do my laundry because it was just

609
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: there was nothing like it. You know.

610
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Man. I got one other thing. Do you

611
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: have something with other brand? None?

612
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: Right?

613
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: You know how they put plastic over your your dry

614
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: cleaning when you take it home.

615
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that process is even cool.

616
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: It is pretty cool. It's a machine with a human

617
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: working with the machine, is it not. Okay, So that's

618
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: intended to get your stuff home, to keep your dirty,

619
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: nasty Cheetos filled car from getting your new clothes cleaned

620
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: or your new clean clothes dirty. When you get it home,

621
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: you want to take it off. You want to take

622
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: the plastic off and recycle it. You can recycle plastic

623
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: like that. It's called plastic film at your grocery store

624
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: along with your plastic grocery bag. So don't throw it away,

625
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: recycle it, but get it off your clothes immediately when

626
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: you get home, because it can actually really become harsh

627
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: and just trapped in the clothing under the plastic. You

628
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: don't want to just store your clothes in plastic in

629
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: your closet.

630
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: If I walk into your closet and you got a

631
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff hanging there in dry cleaner bag, I'm

632
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: calling the police because I'm in fear for my life.

633
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: For sure, because there's probably a person in one of

634
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 2: those backs too, right.

635
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know who never I never saw that,

636
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: And you know whose closet? I never saw that?

637
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: In Rad's dad, Wayne Smith, that's.

638
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: Right, No way, all right? Should we take another break?

639
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: I think so.

640
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna come back and basically the rest

641
00:34:23,760 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: of the episode is going to be about chemicals. All right.

642
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: We promised talk of chemicals, and that's what we're gonna do,

643
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: because we're going to talk a lot about perk. Just statistically,

644
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: we can go ahead and throw out some numbers. Sixty

645
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: to sixty five percent of dry cleaners in the United

646
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: States still use perk. That sounds high, fairly high. It's

647
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: higher in Europe about eighty five percent.

648
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: That's higher.

649
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good average, because I did see other numbers,

650
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: but that looks to be about the average. And I

651
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: also found this that a lot of EU countries have

652
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: mandated fifth generation machines, although you could get a there

653
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: are allowances if you have a fourth generation, if you

654
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: do all this other stuff. In the US you can

655
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: have if you have a second generation machine. There are

656
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: no first generation anymore.

657
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, that was the separate washer dryer. Yeah.

658
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have a second generation machine in the US,

659
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: you can upgrade it. I'm sorry, you have to upgrade

660
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: it to at least a fourth And if you have

661
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: a third. It can actually be retrofitted to make it

662
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: a fourth, but they're not selling or installing anything anymore

663
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: unless it's a fifth generation.

664
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: I gotcha, unless you like know a guy.

665
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's because perk is a neurotoxin and it

666
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: causes all sorts of problems with people and the environment.

667
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. We talked about how the stuff that perk replaced

668
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: turned out to be neurotoxins. Well, perk's are neurotoxin too,

669
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: which I mean just the fact that it's related to

670
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: chloroform is probably something of a giveaway. But it's even

671
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: worse than anyone thought. And in the nineties the United

672
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: States EPA started being like, hey, we've been studying this

673
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: perk on the side here, and it's actually really bad.

674
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: It can do some magical stuff, like for all intents

675
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: and purposes, it's magic in the way that it can

676
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: move through the environment. For example, when we talked about

677
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: those transfer machines truck where you would take the wet

678
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 2: perk laden laundry and move it into the dryer.

679
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Spill Perk'll do it home exactly, per.

680
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: Exactly, But imagine it's perk dripping on your floor. That

681
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: perk is able to travel through concrete, through soil and

682
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: get into groundwater. And even while it's getting into groundwater,

683
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: other molecules of perk are getting stuck in the little

684
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: air pockets, vaporizing and spreading elsewhere, and then going up

685
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: into neighboring buildings and people are breathing it in there.

686
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: And again, this is a neurotoxin, it's a carcinogen, and

687
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: it is the thing that has fueled the dry cleaning

688
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: industry for the last eighty years. And we're just starting

689
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: to realize that if you have an old dry cleaning

690
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: facility that you own, it's probably a super fun site

691
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: and you're going to have to spend an eye popping

692
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: amount of money to clean it up or else you'll

693
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: I don't know about go to jail, but you certainly

694
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: will never be able to sell the place.

695
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was reading up on some EPA studies and

696
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: they followed a group of Cape Cod communities in this

697
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: one study because apparently there was a lot of perk

698
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: in their area, a lot of perk prolonged perk exposure,

699
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: and they found that it was in the drinking water

700
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: in these Cape Cod communities. And in these communities they

701
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: found a host of pregnancy related issues over the years,

702
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: as well as an increased risk of bipolar disorder, illicit

703
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: drug use PTSD, vision problems, and some kinds of cancer. Wow,

704
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, not going to say like every single bit

705
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: of that is perk, but this was a very long

706
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: term study over this community or these communities that were

707
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: kind of riddled with perk exposure. And it's so bad

708
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: that the EPA said by December twenty twenty, it's legal

709
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: to use it, but you can't be in a like

710
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: a residential building. You can't be on the ground floor

711
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: of a New York City apartartment building and still be

712
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: using perk. And states like California, of course, have completely

713
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: banned perk as of this year. Well, is this coming

714
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: out next year this year?

715
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: As of Yeah, it's coming out next year. So we're

716
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 2: talking about last.

717
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: Year, yeah, which is twenty twenty three.

718
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they said we're done, it's over, like we're

719
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: you can't use perk anymore. And not only that, we're

720
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: requiring you again, remember these small business owners to pay

721
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: for these cleanups. Like as I think the Small Business

722
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: Administration passed a rule that said, if you own a

723
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: dry cleaner or you own a building that has historically

724
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: housed a dry cleaner, even decades ago, you have to

725
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: pay an environmental consultant to come in and tell you

726
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: whether your site's contaminated. And I think there was a

727
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: two thousand and two Florida study. This is two thousand

728
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: and two, so there was the I couldn't find a

729
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: more updated one, but it said that they found eye

730
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: cleaner contamination to migrated off site at fifty seven percent

731
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: of contaminated sites. And a more recent study by the

732
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: EPA found that seventy five percent of dry cleaning sites

733
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: are contaminated and they think there's possibly nine thousand and

734
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: ninety thousand former dry cleaning sites that are contaminated as well.

735
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

736
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to pay sometimes a few million

737
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: dollars to remediate this site. What's nuts, Chuck. I don't

738
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: know if you saw in that San Luis Obispo article

739
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: that even if you're like, if you're a barber shop

740
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: and there used to be a dry cleaning place in

741
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: your building, in your shop twenty years before, long before

742
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: you ever came along and bought the place, you still

743
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: have to have that environmental study run and then pay

744
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: for any cleanup that's found. Wow, it's nuts. It's off

745
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: the rails right now.

746
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, all the damage we were talking

747
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: about potential risks and damage to humans, that's not even

748
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, covering the damage that it does to aquatic creatures.

749
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: And the fact that this runoff, you know, once it

750
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: gets into the groundwater and then they runoff in various

751
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: you know, bodies of water really really bad for you know,

752
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: basically anything in the water.

753
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: So a lot of people are like, well, I'm just

754
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: going to close up shop, and they're like, you still

755
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: have to pay for it, you know, like it's it's

756
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: really a nightmare for people who are just who own

757
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: these dry cleaning places. And the reason why they have

758
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: like a real chance or a case saying like why

759
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: should we have to fut this bill ourselves is because

760
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: they were following like they often had to get permits

761
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: in some states to use perk in decades.

762
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: Past, so the government gave them.

763
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: Exactly so they were following best practices, they were getting

764
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: the permits they needed to to use perk. And now

765
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: that everybody's like perk's really bad, you need to clean

766
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 2: it up, They're like, well, wait a minute, I need

767
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: some help here. So I hope just for the the

768
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: small business owner's sake, yeah, that there's a shift in

769
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: you know, who needs to pay for this because posedly

770
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: it's an eight billion dollar problem in the United States alone. Wow.

771
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. So obviously, with the problems of perk and the

772
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: shrinking numbers of people using perk or dry cleaners using perk,

773
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: you're wondering, probably, well, what are they using these days?

774
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: Green dry cleaning is a thing now that is becoming

775
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: more widespread, kind of slowly, I guess, but that seems

776
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: to be the future. And there are currently four different

777
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: methods of quote unquote green dry cleaning, and we're going

778
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: to talk about those.

779
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm glad you said quote unquote yeah, because.

780
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: Because we're going to talk about some green washing terms

781
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: here in a minute too.

782
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: Sure, big time.

783
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: Wet cleaning, We're there, everyone, It uses water. We're back

784
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: to water. It uses water and these very specialized detergents

785
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: that are basically just easier on your clothes or much milder.

786
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: The EPA says, it's you know, you're not using hazardous chemicals,

787
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: you're not generating hazardous waste, you're not generating air pollution,

788
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: and you're not contaminating the water around you. You're not

789
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: going to be a super fun site if you switch

790
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: to wet cleaning. But that also costs money, and that's

791
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: why places like King County where Seattle, Washington is is saying, hey,

792
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: you can get a grant to help cover the costs

793
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: of which is like between forty and sixty grand depending

794
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: on how big your operation is of switching to this

795
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: greener wet cleaning.

796
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: Right, And some people are like, it's not going to

797
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: work as well as dry cleaning, and they're like, give

798
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: it a chance. We've really made some advances. So the

799
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: jury's out on wet cleaning. But I think just the

800
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: fact that it's one of the actual green alternatives that

801
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: is truly green, that isn't green washing. Who knows it

802
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: might be the future of dry cleaning is wet cleaning,

803
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: which I wonder if they'll still call it dry cleaning.

804
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: I bet they will. You think, so, yeah, you can't.

805
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a there's such brand identity there.

806
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it's not a brand.

807
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, Uh, tell us about

808
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: liquid Co two because that's another good one. Huh.

809
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: This one is supposedly totally non toxic, environmentally friendly, and

810
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: it uses liquid CO two, which you know like the

811
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: power of oxy or how you use like baking sod

812
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Carbon dioxide can actually lift stains

813
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: off of fabrics. So this is a combination of liquid

814
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: CO two and gas CO two that's used instead of

815
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: solvents or I guess as a solvent in dry cleaning machines.

816
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 2: And the problem with these there's very few problems that

817
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: they actually use CO two that's captured from other industrial sites.

818
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: So the CO two that's being used in these new

819
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: generation liquid CO two dry cleaning machines would have become

820
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: air pollution otherwise, so they've figured out a way to

821
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: divert air pollution into dry cleaning. The real downside of

822
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: is it's really really expensive to switch over to CO

823
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: two cleaning machines. I think they're about one hundred and

824
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: fifty grand each was is like three times more than

825
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: a perk machine.

826
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a Gen five perk.

827
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: Exactly band name Gen five per Yeah, I think so

828
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: again one of your early bands before you like really

829
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: form a good band.

830
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also a one, this is the third one

831
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: on our list called d F two thousand hydrocarbon solvent.

832
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: This is the one where they're they're using the term organic.

833
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: They're saying this solvent is organic, and that is That

834
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: is where you got to get a little things get

835
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: a little tricky because organic is very much or very

836
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: much can be a greenwashing word. I'm not saying that

837
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: is in this case necessarily, but it can. Okay, well,

838
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: it's very misleading because organic means that it has what

839
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: Green Earth and we're gonna tell about them in a second,

840
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: Green Earth says that just means it has a carbon backbone. Yeah,

841
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: like gasoline is organic. And when you see words like

842
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: organic or biodegradable like that doesn't mean that it's awesome.

843
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: Things can biodegrade into a hazardous substance. Still.

844
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So DF two thousand is produced by Exxon Mobile,

845
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: if that gives you any clarity on whether it's green

846
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: or not. And even the container it looks like a

847
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: five gallon jug of motor oil. Essentially there's I think

848
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: Conico makes their own version whatever, and it's a petroleum

849
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: based solvent just like they used to use back in

850
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: the day where dry cleaners blue up once in a while.

851
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: If you're using a hydrocarbon solvent. You have to have

852
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 2: an air pollution certificate, and it's cheap, like the machines

853
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: that use them, a way cheaper than a liquid carbon

854
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: dioxide cleaning machine. But currently it's being you know, tow

855
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: it as an organic green alternative, so some people are

856
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: starting to use this, I would guess to their dismay

857
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: five or ten years down the road, because there are

858
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: actual like green alternatives, including liquid carbon dioxide and wet cleaning.

859
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. The last one on our list here is a

860
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: silicon based solvents and the biggest it's a brand name.

861
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: The largest brand of green dry cleaning processes is called

862
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: Green Earth all one word but still a capital G,

863
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: capital E, and they use liquid silicone, which is odorless

864
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: and colorless and apparently is a great carrier for detergents.

865
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also inert. So remember we said that perk

866
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 2: can interact with your dyes and stuff and cause fading.

867
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: This stuff does not interact with the fabric itself, not

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Speaker 2: chemically at least, so it doesn't It doesn't cause any

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Speaker 2: kind of fading or anything like that, and it breaks

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Speaker 2: down into sand and water and carbon dioxide when you

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Speaker 2: get rid of it, right, Yeah, is is it releases

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Speaker 2: dioxin when it's produced. It's a carcinogen, and I saw

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Speaker 2: somewhere that it's been shown to be. Siloxane has been

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Speaker 2: shown to be carcinogenic in rats and possibly hepatotoxic, which

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Speaker 2: means it affects liver function. So this one is very

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Speaker 2: much touted as a green alternative, but the jury is

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Speaker 2: definitely still out on, you know, whether it's it's non

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Speaker 2: toxic or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there are actually people in the world.

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Speaker 1: I call them that guy that say things like we

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Speaker 1: just don't get any rats to work. There problem solved?

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Speaker 2: Who says that? Just people show them to me.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's been you know, this has been shown

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Speaker 1: to kill rats, and you're like, oh, so don't get

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Speaker 1: any rats around.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. It's like, well, hey, how about you

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Speaker 2: get a job doing that, working with it? Then if

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Speaker 2: you have no problems with it, mister smarty pants.

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Speaker 1: So I think we should repeat the CEO too. The

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Speaker 1: liquid carbon dioxide cleaning is seems to be the best,

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Speaker 1: most green process, but it's just the cost of those machines.

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Speaker 1: There's always a downside.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's always a downside. I can't think of any

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Speaker 2: wiser words to end this one on.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing else, you know. I had to take

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Speaker 1: my rug into a dry cleaner not too long ago

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Speaker 1: down the street, and they were very nice, even though

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Speaker 1: they sent it to a facility and it took far

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Speaker 1: too long to correct this the stain on my rug

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Speaker 1: in my new studio, and I was very mad because

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Speaker 1: it was a brand new I actually wouldn't have stained.

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Speaker 1: It had gotten wet and it smelled. It was what's

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Speaker 1: like that sour wet smell.

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Speaker 2: From being johnsonized.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Listener mail, Yeah, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Said, listener mail everybody, So that means it's time for

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Speaker 2: the listener mail.

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Speaker 1: This is from Natalie. Hey, guys, I'm a postdoc research

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Speaker 1: scientist studying paleoclimatology and paleo oceanography. And that's from Natalie

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Speaker 1: the en. You guys always do a great job with

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Speaker 1: your Earth science episode. In the recent episode on plate tectonics,

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Speaker 1: so it was a bit of a misopportunity though, to

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Speaker 1: highlight a cool gal who played a part in the

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Speaker 1: acceptance of the theory of plate tectonics, Marie Tharp. She

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Speaker 1: created the first world map of the seafloor and discovered

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Speaker 1: the giant Mountain range between the Atlantic Ocean that we

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Speaker 1: now know is a mid Atlantic range. That's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: Because she is a woman in science, she had to

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Speaker 1: fight a bit of an uphill battle to get her

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Speaker 1: work accepted. She talks about how her initial interpretations were

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Speaker 1: dismissed as quote girl talk. She's she was confined to

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Speaker 1: the background, with her male colleague getting much of the

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Speaker 1: credit for her ideas until more recently. Seems like a

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Speaker 1: fun person, and Emon mentions how she wanted to include

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Speaker 1: mermaids and shipwrecks in the first map, but her colleague

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Speaker 1: Bruce Heasen would have none of it. Come on, Bruce,

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Speaker 1: that's fun for sure. There's a great photo of her

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Speaker 1: looking like a ba smoking a cigarette at her drafting table,

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Speaker 1: and that is from Natalie.

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Speaker 2: Thanks a Lott. Natalie. Yeah, it's kind of disappointing we

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Speaker 2: didn't run across her in our research, but maybe we

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Speaker 2: weren't looking in the right places.

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Speaker 1: Check well, it sounds like there's a pretty good reason

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Speaker 1: for that, So hats off, our beret is off to

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Speaker 1: Marie Tharp.

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Speaker 2: Marie Tharp, look out for an episode on her. At

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Speaker 2: some point in time. Her and our friend Frederick Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Gabby Johnson.

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Speaker 2: No, not Gabby Johnson. You know the guy who originally

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Speaker 2: invented dry cleaning back in eighteen twenty one. Oh, Thomas Jennings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should totally do one on Thomas Jennings.

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Speaker 2: It was way off with Frederick Johnson.

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Speaker 1: That's all right. I think Gabby Johnson can teach you.

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Speaker 2: So too well. If you want to get in touch

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Speaker 2: with this, like Natalie did, you can send us an email.

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Speaker 2: You can send it to stuff podcast at iheartradiot up.

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