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Speaker 1: And as you're all aware, I have yet to play

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Speaker 2: He wanted to be a Hallmark honk.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if I was a honk or the

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Speaker 3: The guy's usually in the town and it's a woman

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to break the stereotypes, right, Okay, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: But we all know that hasn't happened because I've been

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Speaker 2: No, that's true. That's true. You didn't just appear on

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Speaker 4: I was like, wait a second, I'm not in this movie.

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Speaker 1: So I'm changing my dream up because I have a

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Speaker 4: Are you both aware of Love Island?

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Speaker 2: I have heard of it. I have never seen an episode.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen an episode, so you're missing out.

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Speaker 1: Because whether you watch Love Island US, UK, Australia, it's amazing.

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Speaker 5: This is an old story.

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Speaker 2: Just they asked him a long time ago at many

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, it would be a dream. I would

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Speaker 4: It would be the best.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But no, good to know what you mean to you, sir.

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Speaker 5: You mean a lot to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but wow, I can't believe Jensen turned out that job.

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Speaker 3: I know I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't remember because we've talked about this before and

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Speaker 4: It is it is, by the way, I would never

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Speaker 5: Do you remember that they wanted to have a call

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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's also breaking up on islands and then swapping partners.

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Speaker 1: there's a depth to Love Island that you guys are

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Speaker 5: Oh, Will, They were very nice people, so I wish

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Speaker 4: And I'm Wilfredell from Love Island. No, I won't do

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Speaker 2: pod meets World. Erica Montalfo Burrah, Hello.

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Speaker 8: Hi, Hi, how are you really well? How are you guys?

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Speaker 2: Wherever you are? It looks so tropical.

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Speaker 8: I'mun It's a whole vibe, guys, where are you? I'm

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Speaker 8: the torch for all the boy meets for old people.

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Speaker 4: Right, Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 2: It looks tropical.

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Speaker 8: I'm having all of your vibes too.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks, I've got a very boy meets world heavy

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Speaker 8: Can I tell you I was like watching, like to

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Speaker 2: And so where were we did you? Was your first year?

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Speaker 8: I did not miss him as a fan, I mean

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Speaker 8: Play right now?

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Speaker 4: Gotcha? Yeah, gotcha?

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Speaker 8: kind of a bougie neighborhood, so like I grew up

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00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 8: around like all different kinds of people and so kind

444
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 8: of like Angela did. Even though my parents my father

445
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 8: wasn't in the military. But I just kind of had

446
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 8: like heart to heart with Michael and I said, listen,

447
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 8: I think Angela's like me, Like she doesn't speak differently

448
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 8: than these kids. She grew up with them. So I

449
00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 8: don't think there's any kind of ethnic you know, city

450
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,919
Speaker 8: that needs to be like pervasive and who she is.

451
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 8: She's just one of the kids. And so I think

452
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 8: that was very instrumental in the beginning of just letting

453
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 8: Angela be Angeline. Did we have to lean into any

454
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 8: kind of you know, her being urban or anything like that,

455
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. I'm proud of that because

456
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 8: I think, like she's just like me. She you know,

457
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 8: she grew up in the valley whatever, you know what

458
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 8: I mean. Yeah, So I think they were very receptive

459
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 8: to that and I, you know, I appreciate that.

460
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 2: It's also so nice then for the actor, like for

461
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 2: Trina to get to really put her own spin and

462
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 2: her own take on who Angela is without being told

463
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 2: who she was in stage direction and in parentheticals, like

464
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: just really giving her agency over who the character is.

465
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Speaker 2: So and I thank god you did that.

466
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Speaker 8: Yeah. And again I think and not just me, I

467
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 8: think that everyone, you know. Again, Michael specifically was very

468
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 8: receptive to the idea like we you know, we're all

469
00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 8: just people, you know what I mean. So we didn't

470
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 8: lean it's like Angela being like the black girl, you

471
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Speaker 8: know what I mean. It wasn't. And I love that,

472
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 8: especially at that time where there were so many different

473
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 8: kinds of shows where there was you know, leaning into

474
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 8: like whatever kind of ethnic experience. It's like this, these

475
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 8: are kids and they grew up together and they're just

476
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 8: they're just all the SAME's. There's no one's monolithic, you

477
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 8: know what I mean. Yeah, So I just I loved

478
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 8: that that was like that our whole crew was like

479
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 8: very diverse and like very just representative of what kids

480
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 8: were at that time, you know, growing up together.

481
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Speaker 2: Do you remember any specific conversations you had with Trina.

482
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Speaker 2: Did you guys ever talk about the development of her character.

483
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Speaker 8: And talk about it, because I mean, and I don't

484
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 8: know people know that, you know, Trina was like we

485
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 8: were like the same age and people don't realize that,

486
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 8: like Trina was older because she looked you know, but

487
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 8: I think she was like married at the time.

488
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Speaker 4: I married with kids.

489
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Speaker 8: Yeah, writer knows that. So that was like interesting that

490
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Speaker 8: writers a teenager like and you know, dating an adult.

491
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Speaker 8: But but but yeah, I mean we we definitely talked

492
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 8: about it. And again she was we were on the

493
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 8: same page. I mean, she kind of just wanted to

494
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 8: represent you know, any girl as opposed to a black girl,

495
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Speaker 8: do you know what I mean? And so I think

496
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 8: I think we're so successful of that, and I think

497
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 8: you guys were. I mean, just like everybody melded together.

498
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 8: It's like when I watched my episodes like last night,

499
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 8: I was like, oh my god, this is they're so

500
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 8: sweet together. Everybody's great. And I think, like, you know,

501
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 8: to Panga and Angela were to such great friends too,

502
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 8: Like you believed it, you know, and you believe Sean

503
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 8: and Angela, you know what I mean, everyone like was

504
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 8: believable and it was very sweet, and I think it

505
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 8: was like, you know, indicative of like what we'd want

506
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 8: to see now. I think it was ahead of its times,

507
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 8: just like letting people be people as opposed to having

508
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,959
Speaker 8: to like double down on some kind of like you know,

509
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 8: like ethnicity or like you know, realist and political or

510
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 8: anything like that. It was just like kids being kids

511
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 8: and kids, you know, just engaging with each other. And

512
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Speaker 8: and I think that's I mean, I'm proud of that. Well.

513
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, with all the live shows that we do

514
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: and all the conventions that we do, it seems to

515
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: almost be slightly overwhelming the number of people that prefer

516
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: the couple of Sean and Angela.

517
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Speaker 8: Well see that. I think that's not fair, but I

518
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 8: do get it. I watched Poetic Justice the other night,

519
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 8: and that was like when there was a big entel

520
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 8: the Sean love story, and that was that was my

521
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 8: episode that.

522
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's the second half of the name.

523
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, when everybody realized that Sean was

524
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 8: a poet. But it was like it was a good

525
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 8: relationship episodes, like they had hit in her heart and

526
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 8: then like she you know, I love that. It was

527
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 8: like very rote, rom comedy you know, and I think

528
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 8: people but that that trajectory of how you know you

529
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 8: wanted them to be together. I think that was a

530
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 8: big part of that whole art because it was, you know,

531
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 8: he was a guy who couldn't, you know, tell you

532
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 8: how he felt, and so he had to write it

533
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 8: and then you know, they were just they were missing

534
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 8: each other. And I love that. So that worked really well.

535
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 8: But the Cords to Pink, I mean, who doesn't love

536
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 8: Corn to Pang? Come on? I mean, I think he

537
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 8: kind of knew that they were going to be together.

538
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 8: I think that's the difference to know that that Sean

539
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 8: was going to work out. I think everybody knew Corn

540
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 8: to Pank and like, where else are they going to go?

541
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're They're stuck no matter what, for better or worse.

542
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: They are together forever. Talking about being able to have

543
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: a show where kids are just kids and not doubling

544
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: down on anything in particular relating to ethnicity or whatever.

545
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: We have gone back and forth and had many dialogues

546
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: about whether it was the way Angela and Sean's interracial

547
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: relationship was dealt with or not dealt with. We see

548
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: the pros and cons of both sides, Where do you

549
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: stand on it? Looking back? Do you are you happy

550
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 2: that it was never really addressed or do you feel like,

551
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: in hindsight, maybe it should have been.

552
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 8: I'm happy it wasn't, like kind of to what we

553
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 8: were talking about. I just feel like the conversation I

554
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 8: had with Michael, it's like, listen, I mean I was

555
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 8: married at the time to someone who wasn't black, and

556
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 8: so for me growing up again, I didn't have that like,

557
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 8: you know, that need to be like put in a

558
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 8: box as like a black woman, you know what I mean.

559
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 8: I'm very lucky to grow up like you know, West La,

560
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 8: where people are liberal and we all, you know, we're

561
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 8: like friends, and it's very similar to what you you know,

562
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 8: we saw on boy Me's roll. And so I just

563
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 8: and again it wasn't my edict at all, but I

564
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 8: just kind of shared that with Michael, and I'm like,

565
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 8: I would love to see her just kind of be

566
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 8: one of the crew and not have to even address

567
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 8: the fact that she's black, and that's kind of what

568
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 8: we decided to do. And to me, I think it's lovely.

569
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 8: I think that's like when I look back, it's like

570
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 8: she's just another girl.

571
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the occasional times it was mentioned it was

572
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: done with a really funny joke.

573
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 8: Well yeah, well exactly, like sometimes self deprecating where she's like,

574
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 8: oh my god, these white people. You know.

575
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like, I gotta get her black.

576
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 8: Friends exactly, and that I mean to me, I'm one

577
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 8: hundred percent proud of that. And even like her her

578
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 8: issue was more that she was, you know, an army kid.

579
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 8: You know, her dad traveled, and I thought that was

580
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 8: more pertinent to her character, and that's a great character

581
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 8: where she didn't get to bond with people because she

582
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 8: had to move a lot, and the first group of

583
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 8: people that she actually got to fit in with and

584
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 8: which is you know, kind of double on Tendra for

585
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 8: her being the one black friend. But at the same time,

586
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 8: it's more that she was an army friend and so

587
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 8: like she might have to move anytime because she's not

588
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 8: used to getting close to people. So I thought it

589
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 8: just all kind of like made sense.

590
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing that we've noticed a lot, especially

591
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: about season six, is it's really starting to take a

592
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: very dramatic turn, and sometimes it's it's a melo dramatic turn.

593
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 4: It to the point of very special episode.

594
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 8: E Oh yeah, I was.

595
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 5: We'll get into that.

596
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: But did you do you remember when you know, at

597
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: the start of the season, because we've talked to some

598
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: writers that remember arcing out the season or you know,

599
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: we get in they're going to do a show bible

600
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: for this season. Was there any specific discussion of, you

601
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 1: know what, we're going to take this a little darker

602
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: this season than we have in the past.

603
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 4: I mean, do you remember any of that happening?

604
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 8: Here's what I will say, And again, I think this

605
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 8: is a testament to Michael. I mean, you guys know,

606
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 8: I mean like that show is Michael's heart, you know

607
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 8: what I mean, like very much like whatever was going

608
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 8: on kind of in his I mean Corey is Michael, yeah, obviously,

609
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 8: and so whatever was going on in Michael's life kind

610
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 8: of like you know, made its way onto the show.

611
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 8: And I think there was stuff going on you know,

612
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 8: that year that he wanted to address and so we

613
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 8: know followed suit. So I think, you know, there was

614
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 8: a very personal thing. I think about the nick You episode,

615
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 8: which I think was also my episode, and I was like,

616
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 8: why am I writing this? I like one of my

617
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 8: first episodes, and I'm just like, oh my god, I'm

618
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 8: writing about a baby, like you know, whether or not

619
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 8: it's going to make it. But I think that had

620
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 8: happened to him with a personal experience.

621
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: So you don't remember there was never there was never

622
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: like significant pushback within the room, like because I imagine

623
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: a bunch of comedy writers being like.

624
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: This is letting a little heavy, Michael, can we.

625
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 7: Lighten it up?

626
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: And we remember even saying that as actors. So yeah,

627
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: I'm curious.

628
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think we were. I think we were all

629
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 8: on the same page. But again, I think it was

630
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 8: something that was very personal. I think he was going

631
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 8: through that, that's and so a lot of the draw was,

632
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 8: you know, an outlet for him on the show, you

633
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 8: know what I mean. So he wanted to talk about

634
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 8: things that he was going through, and you know, again

635
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 8: I think there was some pushback, but I think we

636
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 8: kind of tried to like indulge him and let him

637
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 8: work it out, you know. And so that again I think,

638
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 8: of course, being the youngest writer and the newest pay

639
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 8: of course I got stuck with that.

640
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah you seeing me with bringing this very personal and

641
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: very heavy storyline to.

642
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: Laugh Riot laugh Riot that.

643
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 8: Episode, And I think again it's like Manel and those

644
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 8: guys like give it to Eric, you know what I mean,

645
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 8: they didn't want to do it.

646
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time you met all of

647
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: us as a cast.

648
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 8: I remember I remember being at the of the first

649
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 8: table read okay, and again just being like I can't

650
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 8: believe I'm here, Like I'm loving this and it's like funny,

651
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 8: and everybody like because again I came in season six,

652
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 8: so like everybody was already kind of a family. Yeah,

653
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 8: And so it was, and it was like a well

654
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 8: oiled machine at that point, you know what I mean.

655
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 8: So it was kind of coming into something and again

656
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 8: something that I had watched, you know, basically growing up,

657
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 8: and so it was just like it was just lovely

658
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 8: to be there, and you.

659
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 5: Guys are all so sweet.

660
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 8: And I remember Danielle, you you were dating. I think

661
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 8: you were.

662
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: You had a Lance.

663
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lance, Yes, that didn't work out.

664
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 8: Yes, why, I mean, yeah, what happened?

665
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: Why?

666
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: We're not sure?

667
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: You guys were so perfect, so perfect for each other.

668
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 8: But I think I remember, like I don't know if

669
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 8: he was there. One of the first things I just

670
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 8: remember just being like, oh, this is like like this

671
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 8: is I'm so happy I'm here. For this. I'm here

672
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 8: for this.

673
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: Well, I want to get into your first script. We've

674
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: already mentioned it, Poetic License and ode to Holden Callfield.

675
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: We talked a lot about this one, remembering that there

676
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: was a lot of conversations around writer using his own poems.

677
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: Do you remember anything about that?

678
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 8: Do we use your poems?

679
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: Writer?

680
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 8: I think we did. Yeah, that was part of and

681
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 8: I think that was so great because I think when

682
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 8: we were doing it, it was like, well you you

683
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 8: related to us, like, hey you were. I don't think

684
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 8: we knew that you were writing poems, but I think

685
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 8: before we wrote the script or but then you're like, hey,

686
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 8: can I put my poems in? I think everybody was like,

687
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 8: oh my god, yeah you can put them in. This

688
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 8: is great. Yeah.

689
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: No, Michael definitely knew because I was doing like poetry

690
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: readings and stuff, and like I remember the writer some

691
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: of the writers coming to the readings, and so yeah,

692
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: Michael knew. Michael knew. I don't know everyone else.

693
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 8: Maybe maybe I was the one who didn't know, but

694
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 8: but I thought it was awful. Even again, I rewatched

695
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 8: it and I'm like, I know, this poem is too good.

696
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 8: I didn't write this I'm like, this is good. I'm like, good,

697
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 8: am that great imber that I wrote this? But it

698
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 8: makes sense that it was your stuff, so funny.

699
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: Fun You were also the closest person in the room

700
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: to college age. I mean you were. I was not

701
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: that many years out of college.

702
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, when we were on strike and I was walking

703
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 8: with Will and I was like, well, are we in

704
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 8: the same age? Was your age when I was on

705
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 8: the show?

706
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: I think are basically?

707
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 8: I think basically maybe I'm like a year or two.

708
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: Older, but yeah that but yeah, no, we were. We

709
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: were essentially the same age.

710
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, so funny. But yeah, I was like I was

711
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 8: a baby, you know, it's like again right out of

712
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 8: college basically. And but yeah, I was just watching that.

713
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 8: I was like, oh my god, these poems are so good, like,

714
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 8: like writer, those were amazing, seriously, Like no, I was like,

715
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 8: I'm taking credit for them for sure.

716
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to add.

717
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: My name to this.

718
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 8: Absolutely. I mean we now they're on my IMDb right now.

719
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: That's great.

720
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: Well, obviously this is a Sean and Angela heavy episode.

721
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy writing to Sean Angst?

722
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 8: Yeah? Well I well, yeah, again, that was my first episode.

723
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 8: I think that I and I remember also Matt who

724
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 8: unfortunately not with us anymore.

725
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: Mat Nelson.

726
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was very He was so sweet to me too,

727
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 8: Like I remember giving him the episode and I wrote it.

728
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 8: I gave it to him to be just for him

729
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 8: to read and be like, tell me if this is

730
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 8: embarrassing or should I not turn it in, you know,

731
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 8: and he was like no. And he also was like

732
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 8: very much Sean. Yeah, and the real like we all

733
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 8: kind of had our people like he was Sean, I

734
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 8: was Angela, you know what I mean, Like Michael's obviously Cory,

735
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 8: and so we just had our little personas, and so

736
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 8: I just always liked kind of like Matt and I

737
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 8: would work out that relationship, you know what I mean,

738
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 8: because again I love a rom come. So that was

739
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 8: that was a near relationship that we were, you know,

740
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 8: trying to give you like you know, the ups and

741
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 8: downs of navigating that. Like, and Shawn is just such

742
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 8: a great character because he's just so like angst written,

743
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, complicated, And then Angela was

744
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 8: like loved him, but then she's like I want to

745
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 8: get involved with this guy because he's a problem. You know.

746
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 8: It's like I just thought was so fun and so yeah,

747
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 8: I enjoyed all those episodes because I think that navigating

748
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 8: that new relationship was fun. Versus again Corin's Panga who again.

749
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 8: I loved their their episodes, Like I wrote the one

750
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 8: about them buying the house. I loved that episode too.

751
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 8: But you know that they're gonna be okay, you know

752
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 8: what I mean, They're I mean they're going to navigate

753
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 8: life together, whereas Angela and Sean were like will they

754
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 8: won't they be able to be together? More story, more

755
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 8: story exactly.

756
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: So what are your memories or what are some of

757
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: your favorite memories of the Writer's room in general? Was

758
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: it an overall positive, fun place to be?

759
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 8: It was? I mean loss Like like I said, I

760
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 8: I just was happy to be there because I was

761
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 8: like again young and you know, like like you know,

762
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 8: like bushy tailed, you know what I mean. I just

763
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 8: remember I used to laugh a lot, and so I

764
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 8: was like everybody loved me and the Rooks. I just

765
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 8: would laugh at everybody's jokes and they were like I was.

766
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 8: I was like, I was just happy and I just

767
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 8: like and I remember like remember Bob titshlar oh yeah, yeah,

768
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 8: so Bob just would make he'd make like these sounds

769
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 8: in the room, Like I don't know, like this was

770
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 8: this thing. I remember he did an episode where he

771
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 8: came in and did like it was like it was

772
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 8: a character.

773
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 4: One of the teachers.

774
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 8: But that's what he that came from him. He does

775
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 8: that in the room, or he did that in the room.

776
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 8: So that's where that character came from. And he would

777
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 8: just make these noises and I would just laugh NonStop.

778
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 8: So it was just, yeah, it was the best first

779
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 8: job ever.

780
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: That's so funny to know that that's where that gibberish

781
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: thing came from. So we interviewed young who was the

782
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: other professor, Yeah, who spoke gibberish.

783
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 5: That's so funny.

784
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: He used to make those sounds in the room.

785
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 8: It was, I mean, it's so ridiculous. I don't know

786
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 8: where that came from. That was his thing. Like he'd

787
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 8: make these noises in the room and I would just

788
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 8: fall out, like I was just you know, I again again,

789
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 8: I was young, but just everything was fun and positive

790
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 8: and and I think the great thing also about being

791
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 8: a young writer just be like serious for a second

792
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 8: in that room is Michael was really good about mentoring

793
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 8: young writers, like myself. I think Barbie Feldman, there's a

794
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 8: couple of us who were like, you know, newer writers,

795
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 8: and he allowed us to take the show from beginning

796
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 8: to end, which is like a great kind of you know, apprenticeship.

797
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 8: So like we would be in casting, we would be

798
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 8: an episode, we'd go to casting for our episode. Then

799
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 8: we'd go you know obviously just the shoot. Then we'd

800
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 8: go to to post, to editing, you know what I mean,

801
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 8: and we'd go to sweetening. So we got to hurt

802
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 8: our whole episode all the way through and that's not

803
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 8: you know, that's rare. And so you know, even for

804
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 8: me now that I'm a showrunner, like I have that

805
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 8: experience coming from Boyman's world, you know, it's really like

806
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 8: it really empowered me to you know, further my career

807
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 8: because I had all that, you know, that's ferties given

808
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 8: to me from Michael, and like, you know, I carry

809
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 8: it forward.

810
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: That's great, That is so great. We Yeah, those experiences

811
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: where you really get to learn the entirety of what

812
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: it takes to get a show onto the air are invaluable.

813
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: One of the things that we often had on the set,

814
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: which I loved. I think we all did because it

815
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: just added an energy to shooting night was lines.

816
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: Would change on the fly.

817
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 8: Yeah.

818
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you're all in video village, are you

819
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: still shooting out lines or are you letting the scene

820
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of finish and then going hey, I might have

821
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: something different or is everybody kind of jumping in even

822
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: as we're going.

823
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's again.

824
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 8: It depends on the show, but on on Boy Meets

825
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 8: World for sure, Like Michael was very open to like

826
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 8: us coming in and like, I mean again doing in

827
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 8: front of a live audience. But you guys know, you

828
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 8: get the response right back. So and again you're doing

829
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 8: several takes, so like it's usually funny, but then after

830
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 8: the second or third take you're like, oh is this funny?

831
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: Like you get yeah, you start second guessing yourself.

832
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 8: Right, it's funny at the beginning, but so like we'll

833
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 8: always you know, come in and like we know, like

834
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 8: you know, I think as writers, especially on a multicam

835
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 8: like that, we know to kind of have a backup

836
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 8: just in case when you're an editing that you can

837
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 8: like you know, you know, beat the joke right. But

838
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 8: usually the first joke is always the one that goes

839
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 8: in because they're always when we go to filming, it's

840
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 8: it's all good and you guys are you guys killed

841
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 8: it every time, you know, I mean, and so there

842
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 8: was never a time where like you're gonna really beat

843
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 8: a joke, but you just do it because you need

844
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 8: to do it, like in that moment. But it's you know,

845
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 8: the first instincts are always the best in my opinion.

846
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we've asked you a lot about your thoughts

847
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: on Sean and Angela's relationship, and I'm curious. You had

848
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: said you watched Boy Meets World in your teenage years

849
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: while you were in college getting ready to go out

850
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: at night. What are your gam yes, free gaming exactly?

851
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: What were your overall thoughts on Corey and Topanga's relationship

852
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: by the time you were there writing to it.

853
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I mean like everyone in the world,

854
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 8: like we all know that, or in Topanga were like

855
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 8: they're like the Romeo and Juliet, like they're meant to be.

856
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 8: But with the happy ending. Though, I will say I

857
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 8: think that as a woman, you know, oftentimes like Topanga

858
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 8: would get criticized, you know, for like kind of being

859
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 8: the you know, you know, Corey on not leading him on,

860
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 8: but like, you know, just kind of like being the

861
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 8: boss of Corey, you know, him being kind of the

862
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 8: one who had to follow her around because he was

863
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 8: in love with her first, right, and so you know,

864
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 8: and finally when he got her, it's like she was

865
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 8: the boss of him or whatever. But I never thought that.

866
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 8: I think that they had the most beautiful, like kind

867
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 8: of respectful relationship. And I listen as a woman, I

868
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 8: like a Corey. I like someone who knows that I'm special.

869
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 8: So I would suggest all women, like look for your Corey,

870
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 8: because you need someone who loves you a little bit

871
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 8: more than you love them.

872
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: Okay, does he show that he loves her cheating on

873
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: her regularly or lying to her what exactly?

874
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: Not knowing who she is? That feels all that part?

875
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: That's how you know, how do we know he loves

876
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: her so much other than the fact that he swears

877
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: it's true.

878
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 8: But we've seen him be in love with her since

879
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 8: he was a baby. I mean, like you know, I

880
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 8: mean like he's always loved her, and she's she's the like,

881
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 8: you know, the holy Grail for him. And so whether

882
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 8: he messes up in the middle, and like because he's

883
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 8: a boy and he missteps because he's insecure, like that happens.

884
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 8: But I think that we all knew that, like she's

885
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 8: his north star from the beginning, and because again growing

886
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 8: up with them, we know that, I mean we know

887
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 8: Tavega doesn't know, but we know that. You know, she's

888
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 8: everything to him, and so when he finally gets her,

889
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 8: it's like very very satisfying. And but again the fact

890
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 8: that he loves her a little bit more than she

891
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 8: loves him. I think that's the way to go. Ladies.

892
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: You were also there for kind of what people would

893
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: say is is the well I would say the change.

894
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: Some people would say the de evolution of Eric Matthews.

895
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: Oh so you know, between we're watching, we're about halfway

896
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: through season six right now, and I mean Eric is

897
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: is goofy and wacky, but he's still kind of there.

898
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 4: And from what we've heard by season seven.

899
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: And i'm what we remember of season seven, he really

900
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: goes off the rails. So is there was there something

901
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: that happened in the room with that or I'm curious

902
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: how that kind of took shape?

903
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 8: Well, I think again, I think you know, the growing

904
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 8: up of it all, you know what I mean, Like,

905
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 8: I think the the you know, the the love triangle

906
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 8: was was a fun thing during those times because I

907
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 8: think we didn't we've never seen Eric in love or

908
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 8: in relationships, and so him navigating that and again, okay, listen,

909
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 8: well I was gonna say, you're like the hot guy

910
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 8: on the show, and then like you have to like

911
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 8: kind of get well you were, you know, and people

912
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 8: are like, oh, you know, Will's hot, so we want

913
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 8: to give him a little like humility. Right, So like

914
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 8: for you to be goofy made you more likable versus

915
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 8: you can't just be the ladies man, you know. And

916
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 8: so I think that strategy when like making you seem

917
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 8: that you had a weakness, and your weakness was you know,

918
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 8: having to compete for girl. Okay, does that make sense?

919
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just wondering what Lawrence's excuse is.

920
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 8: But that's the whole point you give him, you give

921
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 8: you know, we gave you a rival because you're the

922
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 8: coolest man in the room and then here comes another

923
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 8: cool guy in the room and you're fighting over this

924
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 8: girl who's strategically taller than both of you, right.

925
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yes, which was it was It's an interesting visual

926
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: all the time to see us all on camera.

927
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 8: Again, and I thought it was I mean, in retrospect,

928
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 8: it's it just played so well, it really and you

929
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 8: guys were so good. And again, I think the interesting

930
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 8: thing about me coming in at season six it was

931
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 8: the transition of you guys going from being kids to

932
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 8: being adult. I got the adult years, you know, which

933
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 8: was really fun.

934
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

935
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: No, we're seeing that as well.

936
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: We're seeing especially the I think we're all kind of

937
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: shocked and not shocked, but a little blown away at

938
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: how much we missed how good Matt and Maitland were together.

939
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: Because when they have the scenes together, Yeah, but it's

940
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: Eric was always kind of Eric and and for a

941
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: while Maitland didn't.

942
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: They didn't really give her a character.

943
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: It was she's the pretty girl coming out of the

944
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: shower and Jack and Eric are going, wow, I'm pretty girl.

945
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: And now that she's there really kind of.

946
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, right exactly, but giving her something to do and

947
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: having the kind of scenes with her and Jack, it's

948
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: the quiet scenes between the two of them that really work.

949
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: I mean, they've got a ton of chemistry and it

950
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 4: gives them something to do.

951
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 8: Yeah.

952
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're we're very pleasantly surprised with seeing that

953
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of combination.

954
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, and again I mean not I'm not taking better

955
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 8: for that, but I do think there were there were

956
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 8: strong female writers in the room during my season where

957
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 8: we kind of are like, yeah, let's make the girls

958
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 8: like not you know, like character's real people, you know

959
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 8: what I mean. So I think, like you said, you know, Rachel, uh,

960
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 8: obviously it's a panga, and then Angela, like they all

961
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 8: were like real character. They became real characters when I

962
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 8: was there, so you know, like they all had they

963
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 8: were all strong women who were also like lead again

964
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 8: like leading their men in a weird way, you know

965
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 8: what I mean, Like they were the bosses. And their relationship,

966
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 8: I mean I think Angela and and uh writer had

967
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 8: the like the closest like equal relationship.

968
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, most equal. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It definitely seems

969
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 2: like that.

970
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 8: Because again they we got to see their relationship and

971
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 8: that started off as almost adults, do you know what

972
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 8: I mean, So they like, you know, we're kind of

973
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 8: navigating it versus like you know, Corey was love struck

974
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 8: with you know, depending up from the beginning, so it

975
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 8: was always kind of an equal relationship. But then you know,

976
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 8: they got together. But I think that was the most

977
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 8: mature relationship that we got to see developed, you know,

978
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 8: between Angela and Sean.

979
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think is one of the reasons why

980
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: it's a fan favorite.

981
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it.

982
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 8: Yeah.

983
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy writing the comedy or the drama more

984
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: on Boy Meets World?

985
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 8: I mean, listen, I mean I like both, Like I

986
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 8: love a rom com so you need to have a

987
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 8: little you know, a little drama in there. And my

988
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 8: my favorite things to write were the relationship episodes, do

989
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? I love I mean again,

990
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 8: I wrote, you know, poetic Justice. I also wrote the

991
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 8: one with Corey Tamanga, like like want to buy the

992
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 8: house in that way?

993
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: Which is that one season seven?

994
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

995
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we haven't gotten the season one yet.

996
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't know that one yet.

997
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 8: Sorry, I don't want to jump ahead, but I but

998
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 8: I always enjoyed writing relationship episodes because that's just my

999
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 8: sweet like I love like I said, I love a

1000
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 8: rom comm so I love to like, you know, the

1001
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 8: funny is always going to be there. But I loved

1002
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 8: rooting it in you know, something that's you know, relationship

1003
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 8: based or character based, and so you know, I always

1004
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 8: enjoyed like writing you know that the love story of

1005
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 8: of of Angela and Sean, because it just was I

1006
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 8: got there when it was just kind of like going

1007
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 8: back and forth and they would break up and then

1008
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 8: they'd get back to go back to me. That's fine,

1009
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 8: and and I think that's like what people were into

1010
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 8: about that relationship, especially like again as there are our

1011
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 8: fans matured like they were bested into the mature relationships.

1012
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: What I have to ask now, because you've mentioned it

1013
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: a few times, what's your favorite rom com?

1014
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 5: Oh?

1015
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 8: My god, Oh that's a good question. Uh, pretty Woman,

1016
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 8: I got Old School, I got Pretty Woman.

1017
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that movie.

1018
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 4: Great movie.

1019
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: We've had many of our writers on and we always

1020
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: end up asking them or telling them one of our

1021
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: favorite lines and then being like, do you remember who

1022
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: wrote that line? I've already mentioned one of our favorite

1023
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: lines that was from Angela the I've got to get

1024
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: some black friends. What do you know? Was that one

1025
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: of your lines?

1026
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 8: I'm going to take credit for that was me, but

1027
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 8: I but I'm pretty sure it was me that was

1028
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 8: the only black person in the room, Like right, no

1029
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 8: one else would have thought of it but me.

1030
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 5: I know.

1031
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: It is interesting too, because by the time you came

1032
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: into the show in season six there had thankfully, we

1033
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: had a lot more women writers than we had ever

1034
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: had in the past. Yeah, Laura and Patty, but when

1035
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: women or people of color never really caught up.

1036
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think I think that was honestly like

1037
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 8: a groundbreaking moment. And just going back to the Fellowship,

1038
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 8: I think like initially the Fellowship was supposed to be

1039
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 8: about diversity, you know, and I think you know, and

1040
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 8: they were trying really hard to like kind of you know,

1041
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 8: break people into these network shows. But I will say,

1042
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 8: like I think of everyone, like I was, this is

1043
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 8: a funny story they were doing, like at that time,

1044
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 8: they did like a diversity count, right, because they think

1045
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 8: the WGA was accounting like how many like each network,

1046
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 8: how many like diverse you know, staff members they have

1047
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 8: on different shows. And literally we're looking at in Variety

1048
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 8: and we're at the at the right in the reds

1049
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 8: room and there was a tally for ABC and it

1050
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 8: said one, and I was like, oh, that's me.

1051
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: You're like, it's me.

1052
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 8: We all were laughing about it because like, oh, that's

1053
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 8: America one. Yeah, So like that's how wow. Yeah.

1054
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: So it's depressing, I.

1055
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 8: Know, but I know it's gotten better, but I've continued

1056
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 8: to so I'm very lucky. But but yeah, it was

1057
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 8: very funny.

1058
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: I mean since your first job and since that fellowship,

1059
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: you have had a prolific career in TV, starting with

1060
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: my wife and kids one on one with Flex. I

1061
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: have recently met Shenice and.

1062
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 8: Just love her, and Kyla was on one. Yeah, it's

1063
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 8: gone on to do great things.

1064
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: Too, the Game, and you created your own show, Zoe

1065
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: ever After starring Brandy.

1066
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 8: Yes, that was fun.

1067
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 5: What do you.

1068
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: Think is there one thing in particular you feel like

1069
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: you took with you from your time I'm on The

1070
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: Boy Meets World Writer's Room into every other job you

1071
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: had after.

1072
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 8: Well, again, I think, you know, giving credit to Michael,

1073
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 8: I think, like because I had such a great like,

1074
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 8: you know, just introduction to what it takes to make

1075
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 8: a television show, because we got to shepherd you know,

1076
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 8: our episodes. So even being a showrunner now, like I

1077
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 8: you know, I've been in editing, I've been, you know,

1078
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 8: and I actually when I was on the Game for

1079
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 8: I was on the Game for eight seasons, but I

1080
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 8: know that doesn't happen anymore, but season seven and eight,

1081
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 8: I you know, Iran it because Marrow, the showrunner went

1082
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 8: on to do another show, so I got to be

1083
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 8: the showruners. That was my first opportunity to be a showrunner,

1084
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 8: and all the things that I learned from Boy Meets

1085
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 8: World really kicked in, you know, because I had done

1086
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 8: them before, even as a young writer, you know, and

1087
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 8: I've gone on to you know, to that point, like

1088
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 8: you know, I was on The Connors, which and again

1089
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 8: going back to being the only black woman in the

1090
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 8: room like the Connors is like, you know, like not show.

1091
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 8: But I'm just saying, like a right show.

1092
00:49:59,360 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1093
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 8: So I mean but I am very comfortable, like you know,

1094
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 8: being you know, in any room.

1095
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1096
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 8: And I think that that's a testament to my time

1097
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 8: one Boy mets On just like I mean, that's a

1098
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 8: testament to my life. Just I've lived my life that way. Again,

1099
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 8: I'm I'm like Angela, like I don't think about like

1100
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 8: that I'm the black woman in the room. Like I'm

1101
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 8: just the woman in the room or in the room.

1102
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 8: And so I you know, I never let that limit

1103
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 8: me as a part of what as far as what

1104
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 8: jobs I take or like what kind of comedy I do,

1105
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 8: or even doing drawa like I've done at all. So

1106
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 8: you know, it's just it's it's you don't put yourself

1107
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 8: in a box. That's kind of like what I've learned

1108
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 8: throughout my career that served me well well.

1109
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: And as you've mentioned, you have been in some real

1110
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: heavy hitter rooms. A show I knew was going to

1111
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 2: be successful from the moment I read the pilot The Neighborhood. Oh,

1112
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: I literally read that pilot and was like, this show

1113
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: is going to run forever.

1114
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 8: And I was still going.

1115
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: I know, still going. And then the Connors, the I

1116
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: Carly reboot, and the recent Wayans brother sitcom Papa's House.

1117
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm really I was really sorry when I heard that

1118
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: guy canceled recently.

1119
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, we were all sided. It's just it's it's a

1120
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 8: different time, you know what I mean. That's what I

1121
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 8: will say to like, you know, the eighth like you're saying, well,

1122
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 8: like like twenty four episodes back in the day, you know,

1123
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 8: like that doesn't happen anymore, and it's hard to even

1124
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 8: get past the season. So you know, if the Wigans

1125
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 8: can't get a second season, like yeah, you know.

1126
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: Exactly, well, all I mean, one of the things I

1127
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: just we've talked about this a thousand times.

1128
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: I'm a huge television junkie. I just love it.

1129
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: All of the greatest shows in history had a chance

1130
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: to grow, and we're almost canceled at one point. Mash cheers,

1131
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: the office fell Seinfeld. These are all shows that were

1132
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: given five or six episodes. We're about to be canceled.

1133
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: Somebody said no, let's give it a shot, and then

1134
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: they turned into the greatest thing, and so nobody gives.

1135
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: Them a shot anymore.

1136
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: Nobody's like, we're gonna give it a season, We're gonna

1137
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: let it grow, We're gonna find a night, we're gonna do.

1138
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 4: None of that happens anymore.

1139
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 8: And I think especially like I think it was going

1140
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 8: in that direction even before the strike, but I think

1141
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 8: since the strike, it's even worse. You know what I mean.

1142
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 8: The purse strings are like you.

1143
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: Know exactly, so it's all financial.

1144
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 8: So hopefully, I mean, listen, I put tides turn right.

1145
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 8: I mean, we've been this before. We've all like, now

1146
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 8: we're all ogs. Can you believe, like I know, where

1147
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 8: are the veterans. We're the veterans now, guys, And so

1148
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 8: we've seen this happen before, So hopefully well, you know,

1149
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 8: there'll be an upswing at some point.

1150
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: Exactly the more avid elementaries we get on the air.

1151
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 8: But here's the thing, this is the great thing. Guys.

1152
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 8: Look at all of us. We're all still in the game,

1153
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. I mean, you guys are

1154
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 8: all still working. And you know as kids, you know,

1155
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 8: kids stars back in the day, like you've all matured

1156
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 8: into being adult you know stars, and like still works.

1157
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: I don't know that i'd say stars, but adults. We

1158
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: did mature into adults.

1159
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 6: We're working on us.

1160
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 8: You are all working all like I mean, like it's huge,

1161
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 8: very lucky, I mean so funny. Will remember we were

1162
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 8: striking and I had my boyfriend's daughter with me and

1163
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 8: you were talking to her and she's being a little

1164
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 8: like a standoffish and I'm like, he's Batman and she's like,

1165
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 8: oh what.

1166
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean?

1167
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 8: Like the like, we're all doing our things, so we

1168
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 8: should all be proud.

1169
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: It's true, we are. We are all very proud.

1170
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, but also it's it's you deserve it because you

1171
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 8: guys are all talented and beautiful people.

1172
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: Thank you, happy.

1173
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: And likewise, likewise, we will hopefully all land on our

1174
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: feet like we have for thirty plus years at this point.

1175
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 8: Okay, once you start giving numbers of years.

1176
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, Final question for you looking back, having started

1177
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: on Boy Meets World in season six, did you ever

1178
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 2: think while you were working on it that thirty years

1179
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: later people would still have an interest in the show?

1180
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 8: I again, I mean, first of all, stop saying thirty years. Well,

1181
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 8: I mean, did I think about it? No, I will

1182
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 8: tell you again. I meant I can mention any show

1183
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 8: that I've been on, like Connor, like I've been on

1184
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 8: a lot of big shows, Like you said, yeah, people

1185
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 8: react to Boy Means ro all like I mean, I

1186
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 8: watched it every night, like I mean, people, it is

1187
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 8: to this day my biggest credit and get people. And

1188
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 8: I think it's a testament to all of us, you know.

1189
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 8: And I think it's also a moment in time where

1190
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 8: I don't know, maybe it's because, like you know, maybe

1191
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 8: because people are our age or the biggest you know,

1192
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 8: I don't know, like demographic, but I think we all

1193
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 8: at some point grew up with whether it's season one,

1194
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 8: season two, season six, there's it hit all of our lives,

1195
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 8: you know, And it's the most relatable thing to this

1196
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 8: day that I've ever worked on and people go crazy

1197
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 8: for it and it's still playing. That's the thing.

1198
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 5: I know.

1199
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: It's barely ever been off the air, right.

1200
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 8: Which is fantastic. And kids are even you know, young

1201
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 8: kids are like being introduced to it now, you know,

1202
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 8: and kids or parents and their kids can watch it

1203
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 8: together and being in a estaf about it, you know

1204
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 8: what I mean. And again, I just I just watched

1205
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 8: a couple episodes because I wanted to even be prepared

1206
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 8: for this interview, and I'm like, oh, this is so good.

1207
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 8: Look at my episodes are funny, Yes, look at me

1208
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 8: in my poetry. But no, I'm so proud of it.

1209
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 8: And I see you guys, I'm sure are as well,

1210
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 8: and so yeah, I did, I know, no, but I'm

1211
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 8: not surprised.

1212
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: So amazing, Erica, Thank you so much for coming and

1213
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: spending your time with us. Thank you for bringing your energy,

1214
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: your expertise, your experience, your your intelligence, your everything, not

1215
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: only to our show but to our podcast.

1216
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 8: You guys are amazing. I listen. I'm so happy that

1217
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 8: I can, like, you know, reconnect with you and like

1218
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 8: it was a wonderful time in my life. And I'm

1219
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 8: you know, I I cherish every moment and cherish you

1220
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 8: guys ever being a part of it.

1221
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 2: Well, thank you and we we would love to see

1222
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: you soon.

1223
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's you alive.

1224
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah great, we're all let's do it. Thank you Erica. Now,

1225
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: if we can just get Cuckaroo to come back, we

1226
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 2: could all have a reunion at Cuckaroo.

1227
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: Well, we're we've gotbebeks back. That's if we can just

1228
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: keep now we can get a Cuckaroo pop up and

1229
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: need to bevics pop up and you know whatever, and

1230
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: if we can get pagers back, then done something great.

1231
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 6: That was a really.

1232
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 3: Interesting interview because she she was like a real defender

1233
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 3: of like some of the main themes of Boy Meets

1234
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: World in a way that that we are runs counter

1235
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: to us.

1236
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know.

1237
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 3: And it was it was cool because it seems like

1238
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: she really came in, you know, kind of uh like

1239
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: adhering to the Boy Meets World mythology, like when she

1240
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 3: came into the cre exactly. It's like Corey fell in

1241
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 3: love with Banka.

1242
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: She's perfect.

1243
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: Sean and Angelo are going to be a little more complicated,

1244
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 3: and like she is still kind of sticking with that,

1245
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: like it's not you know, she and and I think

1246
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: that that's good to hear, Like it was cool to

1247
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 3: hear because I feel our conversations are mostly with fans

1248
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 3: or writers who were there from the beginning who sort

1249
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: of went through the like ups and downs and you know,

1250
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: or have gone back and watched it and had self

1251
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 3: criticism here. But I'm kind of happy that she was

1252
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: just like, Nope, we did the right thing. That was

1253
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: a storyline, that was the way that that was the

1254
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: truth of the show, and you know, she's proud of it,

1255
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: which is.

1256
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: Really it's also for all the stuff we've talked about it,

1257
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: it's nice to hear how much Michael nurtured younger writers.

1258
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: I think that's that's you know, to his credit, because

1259
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: we didn't always get to see that. You know, he was,

1260
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, at times kind of a little more prickly

1261
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: with us about line readings or what especially when we

1262
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: were we were kids. So it's nice to hear that

1263
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: with younger writers, he kind of let them do their

1264
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: thing and and you see an.

1265
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: Entire episode from from front to back. I think that's

1266
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 4: very much your credit to him.

1267
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it is interesting how much she was

1268
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 2: like no, Corey and Tebanga, they were he loved her forever.

1269
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: He fell in love with her first, and I was like,

1270
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: all of those things are things I would have counter

1271
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: arguments for her. But that's certainly the takeaway of most

1272
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: fans from the show is that they were meant to be.

1273
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: They he'd never you know, Corey loved her beyond measure,

1274
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: and she of course loved him, and so yeah, you're right,

1275
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: it was. And she had been a fan of the

1276
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: show or you know, had watched the show before she

1277
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: was ever a writer for it, so she she had

1278
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: believed it before she ever even had a hand in

1279
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: creating it.

1280
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean even just to the extent that, like,

1281
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: you know, Trina and I have been public about wondering

1282
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 3: like should we have addressed the commercial stuff and should

1283
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: we have you know, been a little and I, you know,

1284
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: both of us have kind of gone on records saying like, yeah,

1285
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: I think maybe it should have, you know, but at

1286
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 3: the time, I remember we were very much in Arapa camp.

1287
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: We were very much like, no, the whole point is,

1288
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 3: you know, you're not defined by your ethnicity, so we

1289
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 3: don't even want to talk about it. And it was

1290
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: cool to hear that. Defend it again, you know from

1291
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: somebody who obviously had much more experience with that kind

1292
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 3: of thing than I did.

1293
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 5: So you know.

1294
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 3: It was conscious. You know, there was a conscious decision.

1295
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 3: There was a conversation going on behind the scenes, and

1296
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: she's not you know, she's defending that, and I think

1297
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 3: that that's great.

1298
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the other thing we kind of took

1299
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: away where I think we knew this, but it does

1300
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: hear it kind of articulated this way.

1301
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 4: The tone of the show.

1302
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: Was basically completely and totally dictated by whatever was.

1303
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 4: Going on in Michael's life at the time.

1304
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he was in a good place, the show

1305
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: was in a good, happy, fun place. If he was

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Speaker 1: maybe in a bit of a darker place, the show

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Speaker 1: seemed to take a darker durnk. You know again, obviously

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Speaker 1: the nie Que and the stuff he was going through

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Speaker 1: with Joshua, that's going to color that aspect of your life.

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Speaker 1: I mean that it's a very important thing to him.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of what he was going through is

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Speaker 1: what would happen on the show.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if that still happen, Like.

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Speaker 3: Do showrunners get to personally express themselves with to that degree?

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of I mean kind of can

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Speaker 3: I I can't. I don't know if I've heard about

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Speaker 3: another show having that much.

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Speaker 4: It would depends on the showrunner and the power of

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Speaker 4: the showrunner, you know that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: If Larry David decided to do a new show completely

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Speaker 1: about his life, He's going to get to dictate what

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Speaker 1: that is, right, so I think, And at the time

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Speaker 1: that was Michael.

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Speaker 4: Michael was an.

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Speaker 1: Enormous show runner in Hollywood, multiple sitcoms for decades, so

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Speaker 1: he was able to look at a network and say, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it this way.

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Speaker 4: Who knows if that can happen anymore.

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Speaker 2: Larry David did a divorce storyline on Curb Your Enthusiasm

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Speaker 2: when he was going through a divorce.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, thank you all for joining us for

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Speaker 2: this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can

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Speaker 1: To nad on Love Island by some merch that's I'm

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Speaker 1: Wilfredell and I will be auditioning for the part of

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Speaker 1: voiceover on Love Island.

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna do a Southern accident.

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Speaker 4: Is that you kind of well, no, that's just always

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Speaker 4: have it do really southern. That's how they do in

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Speaker 4: the Australian version. I do my own twist. Okay, what's

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Speaker 4: your twist. I'm I'm not sure, I'm not shop it

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Speaker 4: and I'll be back.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear what Jensen.

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Speaker 4: They should have hired Jensen.

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Speaker 1: They should that's the idea that he had that opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Through your fingers, my friend.

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