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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast.

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Speaker 1: It is me Renee Stubbs with my trustee. What do

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Speaker 1: we call you?

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Speaker 2: Mensch?

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Speaker 1: Wow? I was not thinking that. But to all of

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Speaker 1: our listeners out there, So those of you that know

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Speaker 1: us so well, that listen to us, that bear with

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Speaker 1: us every single week, we have a funny story to

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Speaker 1: tell you. Now, if you follow me on Instagram, you

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Speaker 1: would have already known the answer to this, or you

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Speaker 1: would have had a little chuckle to yourself. But my

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Speaker 1: friend here, Caitlin, came in last week and spouted this

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Speaker 1: on her way in. Would you like to repeat it?

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Speaker 2: Guess who? I just ran into Star of Stage and

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Speaker 2: Screen f Murray Abraham, to which Renee replied who?

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Speaker 1: And then can you believe it? I saw the photo

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Speaker 1: and oh yeah, yeh, yeah, I know that guy. He's

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Speaker 1: a great actor. He's been in some of my favorite shows,

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Speaker 1: including Homeland, where I loved him, and Dais of course,

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Speaker 1: YadA YadA. And so here's little old Renee walking around

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Speaker 1: the West Village the other day and trying to find

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Speaker 1: a breakfast spot with Eden and we're going to find

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Speaker 1: something and we went to go into this one place

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Speaker 1: that she went to about five days earlier. I can't

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Speaker 1: remember the name of it now, which is Poets something

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Speaker 1: or other I wrote. Anyway, I was on sixth and

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Speaker 1: I'm standing there and I'm contemplating going in. I'm like, ah,

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Speaker 1: is it really my vibe right now? And sure enough,

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Speaker 1: I hear this voice behind me. Go go in, You'll love

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Speaker 1: it. It's great. I turn around and who is it? Marie Irah,

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Speaker 1: can you believe it? I almost said to him, Bro, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know the name to the face, because I

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Speaker 1: definitely know the face. We talked about you on the pod,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't think he'd sort of really want to

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Speaker 1: hear that when he's and then he's all of his

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Speaker 1: friends arrived, whether it be family members or just people

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Speaker 1: in New York. But just to let everyone no out there,

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Speaker 1: this is what happens in New York City.

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Speaker 2: It's also yes, sure everyone went to the Timoth Tay

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Speaker 2: Charala may look like, hey, that's apparently how you pronounce it.

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Speaker 2: Look like contest, but there's old school, cool, deep cut

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Speaker 2: actors like f Murray Abraham running around. And when I

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Speaker 2: reposted your photo of him from that brunch spot, no

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Speaker 2: fewer than four of my friends immediately wrote back Salieri,

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Speaker 2: which is a character in Amadaeus, which sort of tells

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Speaker 2: you about my friend group. Yeah, because we're nerds anyway.

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Speaker 1: Are they the nerds that don't like the basketball? Or

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Speaker 1: are they the nordes that like the basketball? You're just

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Speaker 1: the one that doesn't like the basketball.

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Speaker 2: One or two of them likes the basketball.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well that's a fifty to fifty switch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean half of them don't like sports.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that sounds like the election.

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Speaker 2: Most of them don't like sports at all. So my

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Speaker 2: crew is much more of the you know, the book

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Speaker 1: That's all right, and no judgment here, as long as

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Speaker 1: they went at the MSG the other day. Just kidding, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's not even really. It was so funny. I was

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Speaker 1: go did you want to go to Madison Square Garden?

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Speaker 1: I mean, and guys like, why the fuck would I

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Speaker 1: into penn and you're like trying to get out of

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Speaker 1: the city. But particularly on that.

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Speaker 2: Day, it is a convenient, much like I've said about

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Speaker 2: pickleball tournaments, a convenient spot for a holiday, for a

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Speaker 2: swarm of bees. But other than that, you know, I

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Speaker 2: choose to not let any of that information contail brain,

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Speaker 2: just enter into my brain. What am I doing. I'm donating,

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Speaker 2: I'm voting people I know are canvassing. I'm supporting them,

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Speaker 2: and that's it. Like I don't have any room or

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Speaker 2: I don't need additional crazy, as somebody who spent three

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Speaker 1: My friend Jill Bream, who you know who works at

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Speaker 1: I said, hey, we're at thirty Rock. I went there

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Speaker 1: for something else and she goes, oh cool, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Anyway, all right, let's get off of that. No

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Speaker 1: wnba this week, no polytics. We're going to talk tennis

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Speaker 2: On This is the next time we record this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Going to be on election day. Oh my god, are

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Speaker 2: you going to be here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I'm going to be here. I'm not leaving

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Speaker 1: till like the thirteenth or fourteen, hopefully the election is

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Speaker 2: Last minute flight out of the country to just go

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Speaker 2: sit this out.

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Speaker 1: You know where we're gonna go. We're gonna go to

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Speaker 1: Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, a beautiful place that everyone should visit, with

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Speaker 2: amazing food and great people.

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Speaker 1: Love Puerto Rico and we love the Puerto Ricans. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: So listen, let's get into it. Let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit before we get into the WTA finals and some

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Speaker 1: of your questions that everyone wrote to us. Again. Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame inductees in particular, of course, congratulations to the

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Speaker 1: Brian Brothers, the greatest doubles team of all time. They

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Speaker 1: have been elected into the Hall of Fame. So Mike

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Speaker 1: and Bobby, congratulations, well deserved, two of the great guys.

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Speaker 1: And then Maria Sharapova.

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Speaker 2: Which listeners of this podcast will remember, we just discussed

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Speaker 2: this and then mered days later the announcement was made.

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled. I'm happy to see her, and she's a lark,

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Speaker 2: you know, get I think I get your point. I

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Speaker 2: think you're not the only person who believes that there

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Speaker 2: tested positive end been suspended, which she has, with Halle,

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Speaker 2: which Halla has and some others.

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Speaker 1: How it just breathe a sigh of relief.

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Speaker 2: Halla was like, oh good, I can still get.

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Speaker 1: It's still in you. Should I get to talk for me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me. Maria's career and her success

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Speaker 1: Two big ones Wimbledon final, w t A finals.

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Speaker 2: But that was it. That was it for fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Actually, the greatest match I ever saw Serena play, and

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Speaker 1: I saw her play a lot of great tennis the

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Speaker 2: Man, it was it owen one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. It was. I was doing the

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Speaker 1: commentary Mary Carillo, and Maria hit a great serve out wide.

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Speaker 1: I remember it was like a big serve, like one

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Speaker 1: Wimbledon's right on court level, and I just looked at

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Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone play better than that match. It

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Speaker 1: Maria back, you know, especially on that court, on that court,

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Speaker 2: That's really one of the things that I love about Maria.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love about Serena, and I wonder if

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Speaker 2: I suspect Novak maybe, Yeah, there's a certain player or

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Speaker 2: The second she walked down on court against Maria Sharapova,

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Speaker 2: but just like lose points, lose games. I don't think

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Speaker 2: following those two losses. I could be wrong about the set,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt grudge.

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Speaker 1: Revenge, It felt grudgal. Then Serena Williams, which is one

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Speaker 1: she was never into complacency. It was always like Okay,

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Speaker 2: oftentimes we can see new beginnings, you know, new portends

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Speaker 2: that are maybe storylines that are going to come into

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Speaker 2: the next season's play beyond, yeah, beyond. Like Naomi Osaka

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Speaker 1: To considering a real run, like two matches.

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Speaker 2: No uh Naasaka got to the finals and lost to

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Speaker 2: Caroline was Niyaki before she was ever really a name.

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Speaker 2: This is years ago. I'm just talking about me. I'm

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Speaker 2: just talking about how Asia can be a little bit

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Speaker 2: solid She isn't get her second title of the year,

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Speaker 2: second title of the year because she defended Pleromo and

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Speaker 2: now this is her second Olympics. Oh sure, I'm not

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Speaker 2: counting the Olympic gold medal, but getting the title in

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Speaker 2: Japan against Sophia Kennon, which is great for Jung but

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Speaker 2: also great for Kennon, Like everybody wants to see Kennon

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Speaker 2: doing better. I think she came into the fall like

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Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how happy that makes me. She

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Speaker 1: always plays well in Asia as well. I remember her,

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Speaker 1: of course beating Sam Stoza when I was coaching Sam

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Speaker 1: in the finals of Guangzhou. So and that was the

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Speaker 1: fitness either. So no, Simona is the type of player

433
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Speaker 1: that needs to get her tennis legs under it, and

434
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Speaker 1: she did a lot of that by just playing. And

435
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Speaker 1: if you're not winning, that's not happening. All right, let's

436
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Speaker 1: get to some of you.

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Speaker 2: One last thing I want to say two. I am

438
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Speaker 2: into Casper Rudes and Taylor Fritz's blonded eras, which they

439
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 2: both have dyed blonde hair. What's happening I don't know,

440
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Speaker 2: but Casper has been like kind of positioning himself as

441
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Speaker 2: this like sort of bomb thrower. Have you noticed he's

442
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: been like kinda ye, he's a little minit, little chippy. Yeah,

443
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 2: talking about the balls, talking about but actually talking about

444
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Speaker 2: other people who criticize the balls.

445
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Speaker 1: You're gonna say other people's balls.

446
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Speaker 2: That's a good I should Yeah, I need to walk

447
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Speaker 2: back that phrasing. But I like the fact that Casper's

448
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Speaker 2: shown us a little you know, persona. Maybe this with

449
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Speaker 2: the blonde, maybe he's in his villain era, whatever it is.

450
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm sort of the storylines that I'm.

451
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Speaker 1: Looking for are not only on the court, right, I'm

452
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Speaker 1: so aware of these things. I mean, per usual, But

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Speaker 1: the blonde villain era Taylor Fred Slashcasper Rude is something

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to mention because when it comes back

455
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Speaker 1: and everyone's like, oh my god, they're playing amazing and

456
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 1: also they had a DGAF anymore, you're gonna be like,

457
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Speaker 1: right because of the hair. It's like when ladies are

458
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Speaker 1: having a crisis and they cut their hair. I don't

459
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Speaker 1: know what this is, but it's something so Taylor. I

460
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: feel like Taylor is definitely like he feels like a

461
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Speaker 1: ken to me.

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Speaker 2: Sure, he's definitely beach.

463
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Speaker 1: If Barbie had just come out that it would have

464
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Speaker 1: been hilarious.

465
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Speaker 2: But maybe maybe his Jaba's beach. Maybe he's just a

466
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Speaker 2: year later to the trend.

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Speaker 1: All right on to let's get someone your first questions?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Well this is a rest to renew, Renee,

469
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Speaker 2: so I'll read it. Yes, Renee. Why did Wen who

470
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Speaker 2: wrote it to us? We got to get call the city?

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah we go rights, Yes, Renee. Why did we return

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Speaker 2: to making ball kids return have sweaty towels for the players? Again?

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Speaker 1: Thanks?

474
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Speaker 2: Why did we?

475
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Speaker 1: I don't know, lazy, terrible? They just made a big

476
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Speaker 1: deal about it. The atp all I know is that

477
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Speaker 1: back in the day, you know, when you had Steffi

478
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Speaker 1: Graf's sweating out there, she just used the finger white

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Speaker 1: across the frond underneath the chin. Let it go, get

480
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Speaker 1: on with the match. Now everyone's got to grab it out.

481
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Speaker 1: They literally. It pisses me off, though.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's al Most people are sweating more though, No, Caitlin,

483
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Speaker 2: more physical?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean yeah, a match is more physical, yes,

485
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Speaker 1: but it was still hot back in the seventies. Okay,

486
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: people are still sweating, mate. Okay, so when when someone gets.

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Speaker 2: Aiste, yeah, sure, okay, it's a binky.

488
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Speaker 1: And they turn around it's a binky and they got

489
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Speaker 1: tap tap tap. I'm like, what the fuck, come on,

490
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Speaker 1: you just got aste walk to the other side and

491
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Speaker 1: you've got wristbands on, just white your che Like, what

492
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Speaker 1: are we talking about here? I played three ol matches, Caitlin,

493
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Speaker 1: I never went to the fucking towel.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's embarrassing, like come on, yeah, although you know

495
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Speaker 2: we they also used to adjust their strings a lot,

496
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Speaker 2: because back in our days the strings moved around.

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Speaker 1: Now may aple move around?

498
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Speaker 2: No, they don't. These new these new materials don't move anyway.

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Speaker 2: My point is maybe the towel has replaced the banking, right.

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Speaker 2: Steve Leonard writes, well, the players, Oh, actually, I want

501
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Speaker 2: to make a note about that towel. One of my friends,

502
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Speaker 2: Mark Shapiro, who listens to this podcast, is a hospitalist,

503
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Speaker 2: and he always has something to say about these not

504
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Speaker 2: non CDC protocols that in a hospital or any other

505
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Speaker 2: place that was even attempting to be sanitary, would have

506
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Speaker 2: set all these towers on fire. So I just want

507
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Speaker 2: to shout out to Mark, You're correct, we don't know.

508
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Speaker 2: It's gross stab it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, particularly if you're on a call with Jack Draper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody's sweating, but puchan and sweatin bleeding people get

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Speaker 2: their toenails. No, thanks, hard pass Uh huh Okay.

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Speaker 1: The next one is from Novak SINICONI why is Demono

513
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Speaker 1: currently playing but hasn't been nominated in the Davis Cup

514
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Speaker 1: squad next month? Your question is as good as answer

515
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Speaker 1: I can give you, as is should I snitch? I

516
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Speaker 1: don't know that is. Maybe he's just tired. Maybe he

517
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Speaker 1: said let's see how I feel after He's trying to

518
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Speaker 1: make the ATP finals, So I think he's all his

519
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: focus is on that. So maybe he doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: give an answer to Davis Cup as of yet. But

521
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Speaker 1: if it's an opportunity for him to play, I would

522
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Speaker 1: guarantee that he probably will.

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Speaker 2: With these guys love playing for that.

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Speaker 1: Well, especially in Spain. He's you know, Spanish speaking, he

525
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Speaker 1: lives in spe most of the time. Yeah, and so

526
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Speaker 1: so I would be surprised if he.

527
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Speaker 2: Doesn't play maybe someday. Rights How does it make any sense?

528
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Speaker 2: I can already tell you it doesn't. To go from

529
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Speaker 2: Asia back to Europe. Everything in Europe should be played

530
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Speaker 2: leading up to the French in Wimbledon, give this time

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Speaker 2: to South America. Oh yes, this is a person from

532
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Speaker 2: my own heart. I agree. I think the and Ega

533
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Speaker 2: is on our side too. The cross continental flights and

534
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Speaker 2: scheduling is an atrocity. We should follow the sun and

535
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Speaker 2: just move south from you know, like the big wave

536
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Speaker 2: servers do in their competitions, Following the time of the

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Speaker 2: year where it's best weather and keep it moving.

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Speaker 1: I like the follow the sun concept because that's really

539
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Speaker 1: what we do do in tennis. But there is the

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Speaker 1: love of playing indoors, and I for one who has

541
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Speaker 1: a love of playing, Oh my god, put me on

542
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Speaker 1: an indoor court any day of the week to play.

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Speaker 1: I loved playing indoors, and quite frankly, we do need

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Speaker 1: indoor courts because it plays. It tends to play a

545
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Speaker 1: little bit quicker. It tends what it used to do

546
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Speaker 1: in my day. But now they've slowed the courts down

547
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Speaker 1: a little bit more, but still it's more a purity

548
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Speaker 1: of tennis. It's, you know, it rewards attacking tennis a

549
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Speaker 1: little bit more than playing outside, and so I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like that you're rewarding players that are serving volleys

551
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Speaker 1: like our New French love serving down bombs and coming

552
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Speaker 1: into the net and all that sort of stuff, you know,

553
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Speaker 1: and some people might not love that type of style

554
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Speaker 1: of tennis, but it does take gutsy player, someone who's

555
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Speaker 1: being a bit more aggressive, not just standing back ten

556
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Speaker 1: feet behind the baseline and running down ball. So I

557
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Speaker 1: think we do need indoor type of tennis, and you

558
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Speaker 1: will get that in the fall in Europe. We used

559
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Speaker 1: to go to Europe and we used to have full

560
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Speaker 1: tournaments here in the United States, which we don't have anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a comprehensive answer that I was ready to

562
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Speaker 2: disagree with you k six times, but I'll let that.

563
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, everybody, yes, touch your heads. Caitlin has

564
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Speaker 1: agrieved with me. It's a miracle.

565
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Speaker 2: There's some things I could follow up with, but I'm

566
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Speaker 2: not going to because I overall point Renee, well, we know.

567
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Speaker 1: You just want to go to South America at all times.

568
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Speaker 1: They do.

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Speaker 2: And also I don't think tennis should be played indoors,

570
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Speaker 2: but again that's a different.

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Speaker 1: You of all people. Is volume ze Russians. I just

572
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Speaker 1: think prefers not to hit two four hands on the

573
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Speaker 1: back of the court. You should love playing indoors.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just wish the grass courts season were longer

575
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Speaker 2: and they would make hard courts faster. But I take

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Speaker 2: your point.

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Speaker 1: If they're not going to do that, then yes, indoor

578
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Speaker 1: is benefiting and they get great crowded Yeah.

579
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Speaker 2: Sure. And also it's not just cold weather. I mean

580
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are playing indoors. The WTA finals

581
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Speaker 2: and Saturdi Raby are going to be played indoors. That's yalla, Yeah,

582
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Speaker 2: that's why. Yeah, But my point is that it doesn't

583
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Speaker 2: necessarily conflict with summer or seasonal.

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Speaker 1: It's better because after what we had in Cancun, Yeah,

585
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Speaker 1: neither to be indoors and cannot have these oh it's

586
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Speaker 1: raining for three days.

587
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. The getting typhoon that ruined the Cancuon finals was brutal,

588
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Speaker 2: even though Mexico's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Hey have it in Mexico again, just have an indoor indoors.

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Speaker 2: Angela Fechner rates what do you expect from Elena Rebakina

591
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Speaker 2: in Riad after sir such a long break? Who's your

592
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Speaker 2: favorite of the WTA finals? Great question, something that we

593
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Speaker 2: want to get into, for sure in a number of

594
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Speaker 2: different ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's get into it for sure. With the

596
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Speaker 1: answer to the question I don't know.

597
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: Nobody knows.

598
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Speaker 1: I don't know how Elena is going to do. This

599
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: is going to be a very big test for her.

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Speaker 1: Who is going to be coaching her? Who was she

601
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Speaker 1: there with? That's all of stuff that I could probably

602
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Speaker 1: find out on my own without putting it out into

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Speaker 1: the ether button. If you want to let me know,

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out in a matter of needs.

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Speaker 1: But we it will be interesting. Look, she plays a

607
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Speaker 1: really good tennis indoors. It is probably she is at

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Speaker 1: her best, probably the best player in the drawer at

609
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Speaker 1: her best playing indoors, maybe with a slight sable anka

610
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Speaker 1: just because of serving. The purity of her ball striking

611
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: is so good. But we don't know how she's going

612
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: to be fitness wise, match wise. I mean, it's a

613
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Speaker 1: long time. Months and months and months is a long

614
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Speaker 1: time not to play a match, So how is she

615
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: going to do? Your guess is again as good as mine.

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Speaker 2: My only file up question is is she the kind

617
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Speaker 2: of player that can just show up heart out of nowhere?

618
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Speaker 2: It kind of seems like she is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she can. She doesn't seem to need a lot

620
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Speaker 1: of matches. No, but still it's not gonna be but

621
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: months and months for anybody, it would be hard. I mean,

622
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Speaker 1: it's different going into a regular tournament. We're playing someone

623
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Speaker 1: that's sixty in the world maybe in the first round

624
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Speaker 1: or forty five under match of the best. This is

625
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: the group of death, this is the whole tournament, you know.

626
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: So I don't know. But then again, nobody there really

627
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: would want to play her because they also have an

628
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: unknown of how is she going to be playing, So

629
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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. It'll certainly be a match that I

630
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: would love to watch. But I think going into this

631
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Speaker 1: tournament you have to look at Saveolenka being the favorite.

632
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Speaker 1: I think that Jess Pagoula has had a bit of

633
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Speaker 1: a rest.

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Speaker 2: She'll be ready and fired up and talking about indoor

635
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: and place well indoors that's a good surface for her.

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Speaker 1: Will eager shontek have the lightning in a bottle now

637
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: that she has a new coach in her ear, We

638
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: don't know. Indoors is definitely not her favorite surface, but

639
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: if it's slow enough, sure.

640
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: I kind of see this as being like maybe Jip

641
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: Eggs tournament her time to shine.

642
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: You did call her doing well at the US.

643
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: Open, I did, but I thought something like would win it.

644
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: But I also as did everybody, as did you, and

645
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 2: but every I mean that was like an obvious call.

646
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: But I think Pagola to me, like this is the

647
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: kind of like slightly under the radar type of tournament.

648
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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it's the finals, and yes there's a

649
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: lot of attention and circumstance and pomp and all that,

650
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: but it does strike me as like, because it's not

651
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: a slam, maybe there's a little bit less pressure and

652
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: eyeballs on her, which I don't think she loves. So

653
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Speaker 2: maybe this is the kind of place that'll that she'll

654
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Speaker 2: six drive in. I don't see Ego doing like I'm sure.

655
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Speaker 2: I hope she has a good tournament, but I don't

656
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Speaker 2: see this being hers to take.

657
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Speaker 1: Certainly the first match.

658
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Speaker 2: It would be nice, I speak on behalf of EGA.

659
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: It would be nice if they rotated the surfaces at

660
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Speaker 2: the finals.

661
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe even an indoor clay. I think you have

662
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: to have an indoors because you cannot afford to have rain,

663
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: You cannot give to schedule of those women you have

664
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Speaker 1: to play matches every day. But I do think it

665
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Speaker 1: would be cool to rotate because it does seem to

666
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: favor well you've got a tournament with clay, sure, just

667
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: have it there one year.

668
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, Coco is an open question too.

669
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Speaker 1: Paulini, what a great year. She can play on any surface.

670
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Speaker 2: As finals, which is nuts on grass and clay. And

671
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Speaker 2: what do you think about Coco. Let's go back to

672
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Speaker 2: her for a second, just because I think she's to

673
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: me a real big question.

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Speaker 1: Mark. Well, look if she this is what I'll say

675
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: about Coco. If she serves less than six double faults

676
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: in her matches, no matter what match she plays, she

677
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: will win the tournament. She has the ability to.

678
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: It all comes down to the surf.

679
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it does. You're serving twenty twenty one

680
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: double faults in a match and you lose six three

681
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: or six four on the third, yeah, and you'll win.

682
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: And that was the last loss against Saballene.

683
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: I guess it is that simple.

684
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Speaker 1: So it's like if because she's hitting the ball so well,

685
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: she's you know, arguably the best mover on the tour.

686
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: Her backhand is equally as good as anybody's on tour.

687
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: Her first serve is as big as anybody's on tour.

688
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: It's a matter of getting the second serve in the

689
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: court and not getting it absolutely handed to her. So

690
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: let's hope after what happened in the last match and

691
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: last time and she's gone back to Florida, she's really

692
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: put the work in and getting this second serve to

693
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Speaker 1: a point where she can feel like she gets it

694
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: in because I can tell you, as a server that

695
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: relied on hitting some big serves, if I couldn't get

696
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: my serve in the court, my first serf suffered because

697
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I was hitting myself trying to get my first serve

698
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: in the court because I didn't want it.

699
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Speaker 2: A second serve, no, and then your whole service game

700
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: gets into your head, and then yeah, you're on defense

701
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: the whole Yeah, everything really is so was coming from that.

702
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: That's under six double faults a match likelihood, as she

703
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: probably wins every match. So we'll see, of course, Chen

704
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: when we know how well she's been playing. She will

705
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: be a tough out on that court as well. She

706
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: likes a sort of purity of ball as well, the

707
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: way she plays, and her serve is big. Second serve

708
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: sometimes has a bit of an issue, but overall physically.

709
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's had a good fault. I don't see her

710
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: having the I still don't think she can climb the

711
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 2: mountain that is sable Anca or top flight Rebeccina. If

712
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: Rebuccina shows up and is in that mode.

713
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Speaker 1: The last person I want to talk about is somebody

714
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: who got in by winning Wimbledon, didn't actually win into

715
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: the tournament based on points, which is I I is

716
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: this the first year they've done that.

717
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: I don't even know that was possible.

718
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, so yeah, Kujikova is twelfth on the

719
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Speaker 1: race but gets in over Navarro. Navara must be like, really,

720
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: this is a year decided because she won a Grand Slam.

721
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: So the men if you win a Grand Slam have

722
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: always gotten who if you win a Slam, you go

723
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Speaker 1: into the ATP finals, no matter what, no matter what,

724
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: which I think is a good rule in some aspects.

725
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: Fans want to see the four names, but also it's

726
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: but you could have a fluky Slam.

727
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Speaker 1: That's yeah. I mean that one year that Emma Navarro,

728
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm not Emma Emma Radakano would have been in the

729
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: w TAO for she should have been the W two

730
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: finals in a couple of years ago and wasn't. So

731
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? So I think it's the

732
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Speaker 1: first year that they've done that, correct me on Twitter.

733
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Speaker 1: I know you will, Yeah, I.

734
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: Know you'll get correct.

735
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: I know someone's already written it in their little fingertips.

736
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: But that's sort of interesting because even ahead of her

737
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: was Bodoza, Daniel Collins and Casakina and of course amm Navarro.

738
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Speaker 1: So but here's the thing about Barbora. She probably wins

739
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: splutty time.

740
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it was somebody that felt way more fluky,

741
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: like I don't mean no, she's definitely not a fluke. Yeah,

742
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: Like she also has another randzame if this.

743
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: Was careful, because you saw what she wrote to that

744
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: one person on Twitter, and they're like, how did Barbora

745
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: kuldik of it when wimbled and she snapped back, I

746
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: love won seven matches, that's how.

747
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: Also ps, Barbara, Barbara has won a French Open and

748
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: she's won countless doubles Titus, like if anybody she knows

749
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: how to handle the high stage of pressure. I'm talking

750
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: more about uh lefty uh one Wimbledon tattoos Covit not

751
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Covitev recently, the one who beat beat Arms.

752
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: In the tournament that I should have won, Vondrosova right,

753
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: like Thatonrosova.

754
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: Vondrosova would feel to me more like what if she

755
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: had been.

756
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: Well, I think she's still saying what.

757
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: Exactly, That's my point. So I do think it is

758
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: a little bit fluky. It just so happens that it

759
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 2: goes to somebody who doesn't feel fluky, which is Barbara Kajigov,

760
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: who's a multi slame mony of course, Barborais but I

761
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: really like Barbara up. But it does. It is weird.

762
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I love that.

763
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: I saw Vondrasova speaking of Vondrossova get her name right,

764
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: Renee in in the locker room at Wimbledon, because she

765
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: was down in the lower locker room when she won Wimbledon,

766
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: and I walked wandered over to her when she came

767
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: walking in and she sat down, she put the trophy

768
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: down next to her, and I walked over and I went,

769
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: can you can you even she was on her own.

770
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: There was very quiet down there at that time. And

771
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: I walked over and it dude, okay, can you believe this?

772
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: She looked at me, she goes, no, I still cannot

773
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: believe that just happened. Well, considering she won like three

774
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: matches on grass leading into Wimbledon. That to me, along

775
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: with the master Panko winning the French.

776
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Maria and Bertolli winning Wimbledon, there's a few

777
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: that you're just like, what like that.

778
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Well, considering let's not take it away from them, because

779
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: they did. It was an incredible and you still have

780
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: to win seven matches for sure, even Maoli who was

781
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: a very no no, no, but it's less about one one

782
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: tournament like Emorano kano one decisively against everybody who was

783
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: in front of her that year, as did even Mayoli

784
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: and the French oven run as did. And Eva was

785
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: a great player totally and.

786
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: She had a great record on clay, what I mean.

787
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: And even as to Penco, like Hallop not shitting the

788
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: bedo doesn't have a slam, on's.

789
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: Not well and also sam Stars not literally breaking her

790
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: hand in the fourth round.

791
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt, right, I would say, Coco not having

792
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: the entire support of the crowd and arena something like

793
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: like emotionally collapsing that that's a different way. It's not different,

794
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: not different, No, you got to.

795
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: Deal with that maybe, but you have to deal with

796
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: that as a great I think you.

797
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: Get gifted some of these things get gifted, and on

798
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: you gifted Vandrosova that webblton she did, she would tell you,

799
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 2: would probably tell.

800
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Speaker 1: You that was a terrible the worst warm up I've

801
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: ever seen going.

802
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: Into it, and which you've talked about on this podcast.

803
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 2: But I also just think, like, not to take anything

804
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: away from anybody, but I do think like some of

805
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: them are earned, and some of them are aided heavily

806
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: by their opponent.

807
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: Okay, well you and I are going to disagree in

808
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: saying that they're all earned. They just had an opponent

809
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: that fucked it up.

810
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what I said. Okay, why are

811
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: some says asks Stalin Lobo, Why do some talented junior

812
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: tennis players find it difficult to succeed in the professional

813
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: ranks because they're really hard.

814
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: It's really hard, and there's.

815
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: Such a gating mechanism. It's point zero zero one percent

816
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: at every turn. Every recreational player can't make junior tennis,

817
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: can't make college tennis, much make top ranked junior tennis

818
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: much rake top rank pros.

819
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: And a lot of it has to do. And I

820
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: tell this to a lot of my friends that have

821
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: junior kids playing, talking to you wells is that it's

822
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: all about developing your game through juniors. And I always

823
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: tell this to parents that like have a kid that

824
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: maybe have a bit of a messed up service motion

825
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: or funny forehand or something technically that's not good, but

826
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 1: they're getting away with it in juniors because they're better

827
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: athletes or they're better competitors, which is really important as well.

828
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: And you know, they might give you the moon ball,

829
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: and a player that's more aggressive gets the shits and

830
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: doesn't like win that match, and there is a little

831
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: bit more impatient and all those things. And then but

832
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: that person who's more talented, who is working really hard

833
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: not quite getting the results in juniors, will get the

834
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: results later on because they're just better technically better tennis players.

835
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: And if you work the same I mean, work out

836
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: the same, put in the same hours, be the professional,

837
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: but you are technically better, you are going to be

838
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: a better tennis player. So I always say to the

839
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: kids with junior it's not about winning and losing in juniors,

840
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: it's about developing your game. That's for the pros.

841
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: Amen to that.

842
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: And that's if your serf sucks in juniors, you but

843
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: you're still winning, you are going to get crushed in

844
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: the pros.

845
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: There are so many juniors having played junior tennis and

846
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: up through college who push and their strategy is entirely defense.

847
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 2: And you can see the second I played my first

848
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: semi pro tournament just the offense. Yeah, of course they

849
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: have the defense, but they also have the offense. And

850
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: most of the kids and juniors don't prepare for that,

851
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: don't plan for it, don't have an answer to it.

852
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: So I think for me, the golf is enormous and

853
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: it only gets more vast.

854
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: And also just for to finish off and put a

855
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: button on this. The junior thing is that a lot

856
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: of them at fourteen fifteen of friends and they're loving

857
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: it and dah da dah and then they get to

858
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen they discover boys or girls or whatever, and

859
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they get a bit distracted and

860
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: life gets a bit harder, and they want to be

861
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's just all the things. If you want

862
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: to be good, you have to devote your life to

863
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: this sport because it's not easy and you can't just

864
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: f off doing stuff. In the meantime, if somebody said

865
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: to me, we had a conversation. I had a conversation

866
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: with somebody about going to camp, summer camp. I'm like,

867
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: I never went to summer camp. I went to tennis camp. Yeah,

868
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: that's what I did anyway, So that's why KP.

869
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: Hey, what's your take on the rules regarding mandatory tournaments

870
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: on the WTA? Also, what do you think about the

871
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: Sadi Arabia as the host for the finals for the

872
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: coming year. Do you think that's a wise decision for

873
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: the sport. I think we mostly talked about Sadi last week.

874
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: We please feel free to go back and listen to

875
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: that episode. What is your take on the rules regarding

876
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: mandatory tournaments?

877
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: Listen? I think that the wt has to be real

878
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: careful about how many they have because they want Mandatory

879
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: tournaments are important for the players to play because the

880
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: sponsors and the tournament are putting up a lot of

881
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: money for these players to play, so they demand that

882
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: they're there. You can't just say, oh, I'm going to

883
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: take this week off. But I think there's a discussion

884
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: that needs to be had about how many and the

885
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: back to back tournaments. Those are the dumb things like

886
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: Indian Wells Miami back to back. That's a little bit

887
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: different because I haven't played a lot of tennis at

888
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: that point in the year. But when you're talking about

889
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Montreal, they're back to back tournaments. They are two

890
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: week tournaments now the length of them, and.

891
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: It's like it's just a lot so that before the

892
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: US but you're supposed to come in with fresh legs

893
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: and then you actually have all your real sponsor obligations.

894
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's brutal.

895
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: How many times have we seen a player when in

896
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: Canada and they come and win in Cincinnati. It's a rarity.

897
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do so, and you know, those

898
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: tournaments are just tough to and you want to win.

899
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of money on You have to remember

900
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: these players that are the top players, they're making millions

901
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: and millions and millions off the court. They don't need

902
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: to go play tennis to make money, not anymore anyway,

903
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: some of them, like you know Sinner, and I mean,

904
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: he's wont six million dollars in the sixty help But

905
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: like so, I think they just have to be better

906
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: strategically with the calendar and making the mandatory tournaments where

907
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: it's just not so packed. It's a tough one. We've

908
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: talked about it at nauseum on this show.

909
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, my opinion about the schedule is widely derided. But

910
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: also I think I don't know. It's certainly different m

911
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: to the second degree. This is Mike Metz one one too.

912
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: What's happening with with Miami and Madrid? Are are these

913
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: being purchased and moved? As far as I'm concerned, I

914
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: don't think so.

915
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 2: This comes from a news item in the last week

916
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: that formally announced that IMG, which is part of WM,

917
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 2: which is all part of Endeavor, is selling off Miami

918
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: and Madrid, the two one thousand level tournaments that they own.

919
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: This is not news. They have been for sale for

920
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: a while. There was some rampant speculation and rumors that

921
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: Saudi was going to buy one or both of them,

922
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: specifically Miami. I don't know the answer to that, but

923
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: they have been for sale, much like Cincinnati was widely

924
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: up for sale, and there were a lot of bids,

925
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: and you can read pretty cohesively about who and how

926
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: those bids came together. Obviously, Bendabarrow ended up buying sins

927
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 2: Nattie bought it from the USCA, which netted them hundreds

928
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars and we'll see what they put

929
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: it back into. But yeah, I think for me, Miami

930
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: is a has become a terrible tournament, and I would

931
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: love for them to have new owners and a new facility.

932
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: Have you been down lot? Did you go down last year?

933
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: Because I heard the facilities improved a great deal. Skipped

934
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: it last in the last twelve months, So I want

935
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: to just pull that back because I know James Blake

936
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: is the tournament director, and I know that they've tried

937
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot to make and from what I've heard from

938
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: the players, because I haven't been to it either in

939
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: the last twelve months, but what I heard from the

940
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: players about Miami is it has improved a lot, the courts,

941
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: the outside courts, the facilities.

942
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: So no longer sinking into the.

943
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently from the players perspective, it has improved a

944
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: great deal. So let's see where it goes, what happens

945
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: with it. I have never really liked where it's situated,

946
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: but these are all things that we could Probably maybe

947
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: they just keep a tournament, two tournaments over in the

948
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: West Coast. I don't know, but certainly there's a lot

949
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: of questions it. But also people, you have to understand

950
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: people have to want tournaments as well. You know, cities

951
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: have to want tournaments, Sponsors have to want tournaments.

952
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Miami sent a very clear signal that they

953
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: no longer wanted the tournament at least where it was,

954
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: And so there is a real open question. It seems

955
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: to me that somebody will snap up Madrid quite quickly.

956
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: Ion Tiriac who talking about Simona, how there's a lot

957
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: of connective tissue there. He once owned the Madrid tournament before.

958
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: I think he saw it t I MG. So having

959
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: a very big Master's one thousand, whoever buys some Madrid

960
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: just make the clear blue again.

961
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: That's mye No, it's my suppress.

962
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: No, it's great though.

963
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: Did you have a play on it? No?

964
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: How would I have played on it? I like that.

965
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: You can't even stand up? Okay, Tim Kidd? Please can

966
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: you improve my volleys somehow?

967
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: Actually?

968
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: Did you write that in a question? Are the rest

969
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: of my game is? Okay? Bar toss up on the surf,

970
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: But can you advise me on volleys without seeing me play?

971
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: Tim Kidd? It's a bit tough to help you on

972
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: your volleys, Tim, If I haven't seen your volleys. But

973
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: just remember if you want to improve your volly's, this

974
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: is the best way to do it. Continental grip. On

975
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: your grip, go find a wall. If you cannot hit

976
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: four four hand volleys in a row, you are swinging

977
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: too big or back endvollies. You were taking your racket

978
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: back too far and you are using your wrist Francis

979
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: Tiafo too much, Ben Shelton. So that's my best advice

980
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: is find a wall and you will improve your vellie.

981
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: Continental grip, open the face up and do not swing

982
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: use your shoulders.

983
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: Thank you, James Tan, thanks for answering my last question.

984
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: Stubbsy the one handed backhand. Even Roger said he's teaching

985
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: us to kids a two hander. Is it dying out?

986
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: Why different tennis starting younger rackets are later than when

987
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: we all began with a one hinder. Thank you.

988
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's just the the development and the

989
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: use of the two hander through the years. And you know,

990
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: back in the day it was only a one handed backhand,

991
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: and then you know the likes of Freu McMillan and

992
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: Cliff Drysdale and Chrissy Evertt and all these players that

993
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: brought two handers in and actually it's easier. I don't

994
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: know how to hit a two hander on the run.

995
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: It's like weird to me, but I hit a slice.

996
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: So I think the best way to teach a kid

997
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: now is absolutely two hands, because it's better and easier

998
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: on the return of serve. And I think you absolutely

999
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: need to develop a defensive and frankly offensive slice backhand.

1000
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: That is what's important. And Alcaaz and even Sinner and

1001
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: all these types of players have used it really, really well.

1002
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: So Kim Kleister's was a great advocate of that. Could

1003
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: hit the most unbelievable running two handed backhand. But are

1004
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: you taking a photo of Melas with my glasses now,

1005
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: old man? And yeah, so develop a two hander. But

1006
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: absolutely you must have a slice backhand. All right, let's

1007
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: get to court theory.

1008
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: Oh no, why Stephen Kennedy, Why do we never hear

1009
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: of Serena and Venus having a coach before Patrick and

1010
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: David Witt? Their dad didn't do it all up until then.

1011
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: Rate Also, I would say their mom too, or he

1012
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: was a very active.

1013
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: Well, they had Rick Macy. He was a very big

1014
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: part of their life, their junior development. But at their

1015
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: their development through juniors. So that's really the people that

1016
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: we heard, and they're the only ones that really worked with.

1017
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 2: They flew through battle.

1018
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: That's why we didn't hear, but because they didn't have

1019
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: anybody else courte other than me at the USO. Just kidding.

1020
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: I had to throw that one in there.

1021
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, you discussed different types of balls.

1022
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: Some players have hinted the tournaments are playing around with

1023
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: different types of levels of pressure and that's the real

1024
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: cause of the shoulder, elbow, and wrist injuries. Do you

1025
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: have details on that, No.

1026
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: Pressure, different pressure on balls. No. I think all balls

1027
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: have a little bit of different pressure. And also you

1028
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: have to remember it's a different surface, different city, different

1029
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, the air in Indian Wells is very different

1030
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: to the air in Miami, you know, so the ball

1031
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: is going to move through the court very differently. But

1032
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: I have never heard of anything about taking pressure out

1033
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: of balls, unless it's at altitude, which we very rarely

1034
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: have on tour. They have a little bit. They have

1035
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: called them pressurized balls.

1036
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's it. This one's for me. You want

1037
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: to read it to me?

1038
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: A which one?

1039
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: This one?

1040
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh? Hi Renee, that's what it says, isn't that for me? Okay?

1041
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: From Chris Hi Renee, I like that. You guys always

1042
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: bring up concerns with the schedule, and I thought Caitlin's

1043
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: ten Grand slams idea was intriguing.

1044
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: Oh thank you.

1045
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: If she could remake the calendar, where would these ten

1046
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: tournaments be? Have you thought about that, Caitlin?

1047
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: I have? Oh, jeezly, of course I have.

1048
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: Okay, what South America. I'll let me start for you. Sure,

1049
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: moving the Grand Slam from Australia to South America.

1050
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: We can keep Australia. I'm not taking it away from it.

1051
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: Let me write these down, yeah, won't hate them down.

1052
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: We keep Australia at beginning of the year, then we

1053
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: give one to the Middle East, let's say Dubai.

1054
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: Okay, mm hmm.

1055
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: Then we go to Europe.

1056
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: Okay.

1057
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: I actually think Paris has had enough, so I don't

1058
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 2: I kill Paris as a Grand Slam. I love wrong Garis,

1059
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: it's my favorite Slam. But we're gonna mix it up.

1060
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: This is this is, this is gonna take too long. No,

1061
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: it's that we'll put it in. Uh, we'll make it wrong.

1062
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: Equal prize money though, guys, unacceptable that they haven't.

1063
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: Been well, then you can't just go on.

1064
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: This presumes a lot of things. We'll leave Wimbledon on

1065
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: the schedule. She thinks it also gives more time if

1066
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: Rome is the last clay court for the grass season

1067
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: to be longer, which we all like, leave the US Open. Okay, yeah,

1068
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: but honestly, maybe put it in Florida or put it

1069
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: in some place that's different than New York. I love

1070
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: having it in New York. We love New York. It's great,

1071
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: but I actually don't think it should be in New York.

1072
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: What listen, this is my question. Guess how many am I?

1073
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: Three? Four?

1074
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: Five? Okay? Great? Now we go to South America. I'm

1075
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: going to give it to Buenos Aires. Then we go

1076
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: to Asia. We give it to not Tokyo Osaka, No,

1077
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Speaker 2: not Japan. Singapore okay, Singapore mm hmm. And let's see

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Speaker 2: how we're doing.

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Speaker 1: Do we want to be doing seven?

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Speaker 2: You got three more Canada in there at all.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you haven't put Mexico. I'm going to

1082
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Speaker 1: do it for you. Thank you, Mexico. Eight. Canada needs one?

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Speaker 1: Great for tennis?

1084
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: Is it great for tennis?

1085
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: Yes? Sink it's packed every year.

1086
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but North America is already well accommodated with Mexico. No,

1087
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: it's open.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fine, put your list.

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Speaker 2: We'll put one in. We'll put one in. It would

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00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: be very cool. I mean South Africa used to have one.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I want to reward them with one

1092
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: at the moment given political situations. So yeah, we'll give

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Speaker 2: one to India.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there you go, people. That's that's Caitlin's tournament schedule.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming with.

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00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: More time in preparation. I probably could have come up

1097
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Speaker 2: with a better list, but I'm going for geographic diversity,

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00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: sub surface diversity.

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Speaker 1: She will put it out on Twitter later on Yeah. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Kennedy Wrights, what do you think is stopping Keys

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00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: from having more success? Apart from the injuries? Does she

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00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: hit too flat? Many, too many mistakes? Davenport with similar

1103
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: game to her, seem to overpower her opponents, but she

1104
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to do that. Just wondering what's missing from her.

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Speaker 1: First of all, let me just tell you about Lindsay Davenport.

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00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: Lindsay Davenport had a rule in practice that she had

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Speaker 1: to hit the ball within three feet off the baseline,

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Speaker 1: every ball, every ball that was a rule, and she

1109
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: would get pissed if she let that ball be short.

1110
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Speaker 1: Lindsay had such unbelievable discipline in practice with what she knew,

1111
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: what her strengths and weaknesses were. She knew she wasn't

1112
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Speaker 1: a great mover. Madison is arguably a much better mover

1113
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: than Lindsay. But Lindsay was real smart with the way

1114
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: she played. And if she played against a one handed

1115
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: back end, for example, and she would tell me this,

1116
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Speaker 1: I would just keep pounding it there. I didn't care

1117
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: how good they're backend was, maybe justin Anna, and she

1118
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: would have to adjust. But She's like, I would just

1119
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Speaker 1: keep going there because I knew I would never lose

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Speaker 1: that battle. And then she would change direction. Lindsay was

1121
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Speaker 1: a disciplined, very smart, very calculated tennis player. Her biggest

1122
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: issue was her attitude, and she will be the first

1123
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Speaker 1: to admit sometimes wasn't so good at magative okay, but

1124
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: she got through and won a lot of toems. She

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Speaker 1: arguably should have won, in my opinion, at least four

1126
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Speaker 1: or five more Grand Slams, But her attitude is what

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00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: let her down. Her tennis did not. It was more

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Speaker 1: that she would kind of emotionally quit. Madison is not

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Speaker 1: as smart a player as Lindsay. Madison doesn't in another

1130
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: thing is I just think that she chooses the wrong

1131
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: shot at the wrong time. Lindsay very rarely did that.

1132
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: Lindsay played to her strings. Madison doesn't. And I think

1133
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: that Madison gets very anxious on the court. Lindsey was

1134
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: a very go quiet, sort of dig a hole, very

1135
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: much like my old doubest partner Lisa Raymond. Like if

1136
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: they were having problems on the court, rather than be

1137
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: demonstrative and loud and like me and show everyone how

1138
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: upset they were, they'd dig a hole. And Lindsay would

1139
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: dig hole. And Maddie's a little bit like that. But

1140
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: also you see her tension, you see her anxiety. So

1141
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: with Maddie, it's just being more disciplined, not trying to

1142
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: hit the ball down the line when it's not there,

1143
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: playing the ball through the middle of the court, more

1144
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: being a lot more like Lindsay Davenport, which would have

1145
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: Bloody just annoyed Lindsay so much in so many respects,

1146
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: like why are you trying to hit that down the line?

1147
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 1: Just go cross court? You're hitting it one hundred miles

1148
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: an hour, so little things like that. I adore Maddie

1149
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: and I hope she breaks through one day because she

1150
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: certainly has the game and the tennis to do it.

1151
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: But it's the discipline on the wrong shots at the

1152
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: wrong time.

1153
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it's all between the ears. All right.

1154
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: We got maybe one or two more questions. Okay, there's

1155
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: a customizing rackets question. There's a question about your career.

1156
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: There's a question here about Novak pulling out of Paris.

1157
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: There's a ni curious question, choose your poison. We have

1158
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: one more time.

1159
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: Well, the technifier, the question about you know specs with

1160
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: tennis rackets you buy the racket in the.

1161
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: Let me read the question ed of all trades, Chris

1162
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: you Banks did a promo with Technifiber, which is the

1163
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: racket I play with, which I like quite a bit.

1164
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: Last week discussing racket customization, how easy affordable is it

1165
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: for the club player, the adult non pro tournament player

1166
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: to have rackets customized? Is it feasible advisable for junior

1167
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: tournament level players? Thanks in advance, I will say, just

1168
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: so you know, each of these pros are playing with

1169
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: a racket that you cannot buy that comes customized to

1170
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: within an inch of its life, and if you pick

1171
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 2: one up, you will notice the difference immediately. I actually

1172
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: don't know how feasible it is.

1173
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: Do you listen? I think that, yeah, we'll listen. You

1174
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: can find somebody. They're a technique, a rack, and somebody

1175
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: would take your money. Oh yeah, racket. There's racket guys

1176
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: that do this all the time. They do it for

1177
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: a living. So if you really want to and you're

1178
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: good enough, I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for like

1179
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: an amateur like player that's a three point five or

1180
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: something like. That's not gonna help you five point four

1181
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: point five maybe, but and junior's for sure. At some

1182
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: point you you have to be strong enough, right, So

1183
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: the regular rackets you know that are weight, they're very light.

1184
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: Like a professional will never pick a racket up and

1185
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, I'm going to use this one.

1186
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: They have to have them spect and changed, and they

1187
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: might have the weight in the racket head, they might

1188
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: have the weight in the middle of the racket. They

1189
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: might have the weight more in the grip. The grip's

1190
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: going to be adjusted. So there's so many things that

1191
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: go into a professional, getting a little bit better. And

1192
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: I think Andy Murray's probably a pityme of that. I mean,

1193
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: I've never seen a guy I tried so many different

1194
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: things to make him better. Maybe Novak. I don't know

1195
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: what his specs are and what he's done to his rackets,

1196
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: but there's no question that to be a better pro,

1197
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: there's no qu question you have to have that. I

1198
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: had a lot of weight in the head because I

1199
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: was serving Bollier. I like the volley. I like the

1200
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: racket to go through the ball a little bit more

1201
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: and be stable. I also liked my serve to be

1202
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: a bit heavier. There were times where I actually it

1203
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: was one time where I had a racket was slightly

1204
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: lighter and I would use it on returns and then

1205
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: on my serve I would go grab my heavier racket.

1206
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: So that was I don't know. I think I was

1207
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: mentally unstable at that point, but you know, he never knowed.

1208
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: But yes, it's very very important. Come on, let's give

1209
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: one more, one more question, and I'll answer the others.

1210
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: I'll actually go on to Twitter and answer all the questions.

1211
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: We didn't get to pick one. You're gonna edit that

1212
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: bit out, aren't you no?

1213
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: Also your own career, Why did you take till two

1214
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 2: thousand to start having success? What happened in your early career?

1215
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: If I sound rude, I don't mean to come across

1216
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: that way, Tim Kidd. Did you not have a great

1217
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: career up until two thousand to mean you just got

1218
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: you got to the pros?

1219
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: Well? Tim, Okay, So this is this is an interesting

1220
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: last question, and I do believe this is really important.

1221
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: I was a bit of a fuck up early. I

1222
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: didn't really take it seriously enough. I moved to the

1223
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: United States borderhouse at twenty five, so I was obviously

1224
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: making money and doing decently well prior to that. But

1225
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: I wish I'd been a little bit more focused. I

1226
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: wish i'd had a coach that really pushed me around

1227
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: to getting me into that focus more standpoint. But it's

1228
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: expensive to have a coach, and certainly back then you

1229
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: weren't making the money I was when I qualified for

1230
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: my first WIMML and I made seven thousand dollars, which

1231
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: is a lot of money. Yeah, I guess, but when

1232
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: you're traveling and paying for everything. I was staying with

1233
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: my long last aunt in the middle of nowhere England, like,

1234
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have any expenses because I couldn't afford them,

1235
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 1: so I didn't have a coach all of those things.

1236
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: So it took me a while to sort of get

1237
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: to that point where I was making some money where

1238
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: I can employ a coach. I bought a house in

1239
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: the US, and I made a real commitment to my

1240
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: tennis when I was about twenty five twenty six, and

1241
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: prior to that, I probably wish I had done that earlier.

1242
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: I got injured quite a bit in my singles. I

1243
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: had a pretty bad risk injury. In ninety seven, when

1244
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: I started to improve my singles ranking, I was about

1245
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: sixty two in the world and I was starting to

1246
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: actually stand and I'm an all court player, and you

1247
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: get better as an all court player because you start

1248
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: to understand how to play the game better. And so

1249
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: there was a lot of that. And then when I

1250
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: started having most of my success was in two thousand

1251
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: because I quit playing singles and I wasn't getting as

1252
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: injured as much and I was focusing purely on my

1253
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: doubles then. And you know, I was twenty nine thirty

1254
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: years of age when I did that, and in the

1255
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: time thirty was like, Okay, you're retiring from Dennis, and

1256
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: now it's like thirty is young. So I wish I'd

1257
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: kept playing singles. Now I look at it, I wish

1258
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: I hadn't had the injuries that I had, But you know,

1259
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: I had my success in doubles after that, and I

1260
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: found the right doubles partner and that was important for

1261
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: me because Lisa was very focused.

1262
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 2: On also winning. Just shout out to anybody who has

1263
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 2: enough money to buy a house at twenty five and

1264
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: having their shit remotely together, I think, because that's not

1265
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 2: actually super common, and I feel like the first check

1266
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: that most people get in their early twenties, they're not

1267
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: looking back, and it takes them a long time to

1268
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: get back. My dad into the real estate by real estate. Yeah, exactly,

1269
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: So that's that I feel like, you know, that's not

1270
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: a that's not a desk. Thank you so much for

1271
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: your questions. We got almost all of them, but some

1272
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 2: of them we will get back to you on Twitter,

1273
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: or we'll save them for next week.

1274
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah we will, but thanks for joining us this week.

1275
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: Of course, the WTA Finals are about to start, so

1276
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: we're going to have all of those answers and we'll

1277
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: get into all of that.

1278
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the players have started arriving. It looks like they're

1279
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: on the grounds warming up, playing practicing. We'll get into

1280
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: we've got some friends there. We do have some friends

1281
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: there that It's totally nice. Everyone's being very pleasant over there,

1282
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: I would hope. So I'm wanting more picks of food.

1283
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: I know, I got that text. I was like, why, because.

1284
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: I like knowing what food people are eating. Okay, well,

1285
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: on that note, Middle Eastern food. It's so delicious.

1286
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate you listening to our nonsense today and for

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Speaker 1: everybody else. I am also going to the village and

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Speaker 1: King Cup in a couple of weeks from Mulliga.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to need some food picks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll send you some food picks a little from them.

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Speaker 1: You know the Spanish almlet.

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Speaker 2: First of all, it's called tortilla. And second of all,

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Speaker 2: in the South, you're going to be in a lot

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Speaker 2: of like Muslim and inspired food is much better.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, guys, thank you for joining us

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Speaker 1: today and we'll see you next week. Bye bye, h