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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, brocome back to the Bob Westset's podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is the Rascal himself, Felix Cavalier. Felix, great

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Speaker 1: to have you here. That's great to see you. Great

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Speaker 1: to see it's been a while. Just before we started,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the pronunciation of your last name. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you know many Anglo people will say Cavalier, You

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Speaker 1: say Cavaliery. You were talking about the italianate version. You

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Speaker 1: were talking about John Sebastan getting you in trouble. Tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit more there. Well, what I was

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Speaker 1: saying is John Sebastian. You know, his real name is

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Speaker 1: is Italian. His last name is Puis and he speaks fluent,

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Speaker 1: fluent Italian. So we did a TV show back called

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Speaker 1: Deja View, and he announced me the correct way CAVALIERTI, well,

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Speaker 1: I have enough trouble. I lived down in Nashville. You

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Nashville. They stop at calv they

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Speaker 1: don't even try the rest. I feel like calv It's

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Speaker 1: it's not that hard. So you know, as I say,

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of my heritage as most of us are,

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Speaker 1: and should know. Yeah, most people, some people change their name.

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Speaker 1: I never wanted to change my name. So why does

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Speaker 1: the New York boy end up living in Nashville? Came

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Speaker 1: down here on work, came down here many years ago,

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Speaker 1: and uh, the first thing that happened is I started

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Speaker 1: to see musicians that I knew. Stepping Wolf, Bobby Gaudio

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Speaker 1: came down here later. I mean, it was amazing. Two

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Speaker 1: of Bruce Springsteen's guys were here, one of no longer

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Speaker 1: with us, Danny, you know. But uh, I said, what's

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Speaker 1: going on down here? And they said, well, you know, man,

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Speaker 1: this is the place, this is where you want to

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Speaker 1: be for writing and for music. And I said, you're kidding.

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Speaker 1: He said, no, this is true. That's why we're all here. Well,

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Speaker 1: it is music city and there's no doubt about it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So when did you first come down and how long

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Speaker 1: have you lived there permanently? I got here eighty eight

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Speaker 1: on a permanent basis. When I first came down, I

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Speaker 1: was on what they called the Caravan of Stars Dick

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Speaker 1: Clark tour in nineteen sixty seven six, and I remember

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Speaker 1: working here in the daytime and it was the hottest

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Speaker 1: place I've ever been in my life because we worked

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Speaker 1: in the afternoon. Never dreamt that I would be I'd

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Speaker 1: be living here. But it's an interesting place for especially

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Speaker 1: for musicians and also for bachelorette's. We are the bachelorette

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Speaker 1: capital of the USA. Yeah, you know, I read about it.

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Speaker 1: Why is that? Why is that? Because these people down

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Speaker 1: is the companies, the corporations, and one of them that

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Speaker 1: they were interested was the bachelorettes. So they're here and

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Speaker 1: I think the word is oi oi what vay? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it's it's crazy. I mean, you know, they

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Speaker 1: come down here just like you know, you can imagine

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Speaker 1: at a at a bachelor party what happens, only they

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Speaker 1: do this on the street in the open. They have

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Speaker 1: these little these little carts that go around where they

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Speaker 1: And it's very interesting. Okay, So you came there in

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Speaker 1: eight right, I certainly remember in the sixties and seventies

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Speaker 1: when the South was perceived as red deck and Republican.

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Speaker 1: Since you've been there, what is the change you've seen

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Speaker 1: in you know, thirty odd years. You know. The interesting

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Speaker 1: thing is this, I mean, obviously it's still a red state. However,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like purple now, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not read anymore. So of course they're gonna change

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Speaker 1: But I mean it's interesting because in the city of

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Speaker 1: But I mean, like I say, it's just really interesting

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Speaker 1: because we're living down south. I'm living out south. So

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Speaker 1: you go back, you're talking about the Dick Clark caravan

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Speaker 1: and stars. Who else was on that tour and what

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Speaker 1: was that like? Well, I'll tell you Paul Revere and

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Speaker 1: you know it was. It was so much fun. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that tour. I mean it was just you know, we

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Speaker 1: because you know how they love soul music, R and

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Speaker 1: B and basically you know, we were a white R

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Speaker 1: that tour and where were you? Were you the headliner

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Speaker 1: it was it was a lot of fun. So how

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Speaker 1: did you meet your wife? Your first wife? Well, it's

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Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where somebody good looking

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Speaker 1: it was really really, it was really great. Well let's

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Speaker 1: and it's change going on the road completely. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: But for decades before that, young men went on the road,

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Speaker 1: did a lot of drugs, screwed a lot women. What

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Speaker 1: was your experience because you were at the beginning of Oh,

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Speaker 1: It was really very very open in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: like relationships with women of course, and with you know,

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Speaker 1: like of course, the drug situation. But it was all

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Speaker 1: legendary place, but they finally tore it down. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the point I was trying to make is that in evening,

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Speaker 1: saying to yourself, am I dreaming? You know, so I

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Speaker 1: let's see what do you want with me? Harm what

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Speaker 1: do you what are you thinking here? Oh my god?

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Speaker 1: It was so different, you know, and you know it

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Speaker 1: also talk about drugs, because at first you were innocent.

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Speaker 1: What was your career in shall we say illegal drugs? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting that you know a lot of

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Speaker 1: with all due respect people that I admire, we're doing drugs. Uh.

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Speaker 1: For example, Ray Charles. Uh So I was in the

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Speaker 1: when I met my Swamy, Sacha dan Nanda, I realized, uh,

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Speaker 1: I just made this. You want to try it now?

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Speaker 1: I'm high for three days. So but you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: young people are feelers, you know, and uh, we just

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Speaker 1: nothing really I never got I never liked being sad

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Speaker 1: a script, you know, and and that's how that happened.

422
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: What was your viewpoint on that? In in addition, it

423
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: started off at New York, then went on the road,

424
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: and he was funding it and it wasn't profitable. You know,

425
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: I really can only go by the critics, you know,

426
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: what they said of it. You know, my view of

427
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: it is um is entirely different. You know, sometimes when

428
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: you go on stage, you know, we we have sometimes

429
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, we have to two places where sound is

430
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: is exuded from. You know, one is the the audience.

431
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: They they hear what we're projecting. But we also here

432
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: in our own monitors, like these headphones, what we sound

433
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: like on stage. And you know, you come to realize

434
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: that unless you're in the Bruce, you know, bruiser, you

435
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: two category Billy Joel category, you may not hear on

436
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: stage what you'd like to hear. However, you're not playing

437
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: for yourself. You're playing for the audience. So my views

438
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: of what's good and what's not good they're a little

439
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, they're a little little biased because I I

440
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: did not like the structures. See I I like to

441
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: be a free free agent. You I mean, I don't

442
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: like being tied down to where you got thirty seconds

443
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: and then the commercial starts, or you know, fifteen seconds

444
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: and then you know, the drums come in. I don't

445
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: like that. I like more of a jazz you know. Um.

446
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: You know, for example, when I first was learning music, uh,

447
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: my mom arrested. So she wanted me to be a

448
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 1: classical pianist. So I would sit down with it with

449
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: the piano, and I'd sit down with the mu is

450
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: it and I play, and the teacher had a ruler.

451
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: In those days, you know, this is when you could

452
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: beat up your clients, you know, your students, and man,

453
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: what are you doing? She says, well, that's not how

454
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: it's written. Oh, in other words, like I can't do that.

455
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: In other words, you can't put the left hand down

456
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: before the right hand because it makes it that Oh

457
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: you can't do that. It makes an eco. It sounds cood.

458
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: He can't do it. That's not how he wanted it.

459
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: That's the way I felt. I felt very restricted because

460
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was all timed. You know.

461
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: I when when when I get an idea, you know,

462
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: I'd like to you know do it? You know, and

463
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: I think the audience, you know, everybody says to us

464
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: all the time, Hey, how can you do those songs

465
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over and over?

466
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: Where I can do them over and over because I'm

467
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: creating as I'm doing them, We're making new things happen.

468
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: Maybe they're very nuanced and very small, but they're there. Well,

469
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: I knew I felt very restricted. So how did it end?

470
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: And in the book you talk about trying to put

471
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: it together without all the production, and that doesn't come together.

472
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: So tie those stories. Yeah, exactly. Well it ended when

473
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: we got a like a kind of like an email.

474
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: I used to be a telegram, remember, but it said

475
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: guess what the show is over? And it says it

476
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: was on my birthday as a matter of fact, you know,

477
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: it was a November twenty nine, and all of a

478
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: sudden it's done. Uh. You know, there's a lot of

479
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: reasons why things don't make money. Um, none of them.

480
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: Were the rascals falled? That's the nicest way I can

481
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: say that. Okay, And why couldn't you reunite the being well,

482
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: the bands were united. Why couldn't you convince everybody to

483
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: go out just as the rascal. Well, you know that

484
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: that's really the interesting thing, you know, because uh, you know, uh,

485
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: there's a chapter in the book where one of one

486
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: of my dear friends who I grew up with, said,

487
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: with the stupidest rock and roll band in the world.

488
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: You know, most people who don't have a lot of

489
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: money and somebody offers them a lot of money, they

490
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: go and try to get a lot of money, you know,

491
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: like you know the stories about you know, the Eagles,

492
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, and you know how they you know, however,

493
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: and keeps them together, you know, and and they're making zillions.

494
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, my guys don't think like that. As a

495
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: matter of fact, my guys don't think so. I couldn't

496
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: do it. I could not reunite or reconvene because you know,

497
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: the Stones do they get along? Who cares? They play

498
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: great together and they go home. You know what I'm saying.

499
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: I could not do that. I could not get these

500
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: guys to say, hey, look, you know, the clocks ticking.

501
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, we are not going to

502
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: be able to do this much longer. And now, unfortunately

503
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: that that is definitely the case. There's a lot of illness.

504
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: Why don't we do it and just do it and

505
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, satisfying. Not only are fans which you know,

506
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: they're begging us to do this, but you know, let's

507
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: just put a closure on, you know, let's let's let's

508
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: get Oh and by the way, let's make a little money.

509
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: Is there's nothing, there's no friend of mine wrote a

510
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: song called It's not the money, It's the money. Oh yeah,

511
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: famous music pieces expression. So you know, I mean, it

512
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: is something wrong with that. I couldn't do it. So

513
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, I tried, and a lot of other people

514
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: have tried, a lot of people, famous people, you know,

515
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: Shelley Finkel, Jim Coplick, you know, uh, you know, important promoters,

516
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: powerful people, Abby Obvi Steinman. Uh. You know, you just

517
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: can't explain it. Okay, you're talking as if you're the

518
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: driving force and leader of the band. When the band

519
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: broke to the general public, Eddie was the front man,

520
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: but he didn't sing all the songs. In addition, then

521
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: you started composing songs, and as time evolved, you had

522
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: an equal, if not more dominant face. But my question

523
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: is more simplistic. Were you always the leader of the

524
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: band and driving force or did that evolve over time? Yes,

525
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: simple as that I started the band. I was the

526
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: only one that had trying putation to take the equipment.

527
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: I was the only one who kept the books. I

528
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: was the only one that paid the bills. Yes, I

529
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: had the idea. I wanted it to happen. But you know,

530
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because how is a communist? And I

531
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: didn't realize that communism only works in heaven. It doesn't

532
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: work on earth, you know. I I just you know,

533
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: I said, man, I just want to get a bunch

534
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: of guys that really sing and play well together. Man,

535
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 1: and they you know, they're really talented. Man, Let's go

536
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: out and conquer the world. That's why I always wanted brothers.

537
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: I never had a brother. You know, if I had

538
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: a b G family, forget about it. We take over

539
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: the planet. So, you know, I I just put them

540
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: together like that. And and and I and I and

541
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 1: I had a vision. I had a sound vision, you know,

542
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, it really was a wake

543
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: up call to me to see, you know, other people

544
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: and how they you know, I mean, for example, you know,

545
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: when you would do interviews in the old is and

546
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: they would ask each of us you know, the teen magazine.

547
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: What what did you want to be when you, you you know,

548
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: grew up. Did you have any plans? And I was

549
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 1: shocked to hear the plans that these guys, because in

550
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: many cases they had no plans, you know, say, oh, okay,

551
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: so ambition, desire, you know, well, you know I had.

552
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: I had the desire and the ambition, and and thank lord,

553
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I had the talent. So I I wanted it to happen.

554
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 1: But I never really cared, you know about whether you know,

555
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm in the front of the band. I'm taking care

556
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: of the music back here. Man, I'm I'm fine, I'm

557
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: doing great, you know. But Eddie kind of fizzled out,

558
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't. He didn't. He didn't look at

559
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: it like that. He he um. And he just kind

560
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: of felt like, wow, I want to go home. I said, well,

561
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: what do you mean? What what do you mean you

562
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: want to go home? I don't really want to go

563
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: on the road too much. What you have more fun

564
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: than all of us put together. You know. He was

565
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: the wildest man in the world, you know at that time.

566
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: I mean, the road managers would come up to me

567
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: at the other and I say, please send someone out

568
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: after the show with him. I've got to get some rest,

569
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: you know. And here he wanted to go home. He

570
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: just wanted to be around his his folks all the time.

571
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: Very interesting story, I mean, if I may, just you know,

572
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: when the Buddy Holly tragedy happened, you know, and and

573
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: all those people, Uh, that was the same plane that

574
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: um Joey d and the Starlight is not I don't know.

575
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: It was a week or two before we're on, you

576
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So his brother David Eddi's brother David,

577
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: that was it. Fear of flying, you know, we don't

578
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: want to get on airplanes. Oh well, that's fun. How

579
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: are we going to do Hawaii? If you know what,

580
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: the ocean ane'll take us two months to get No,

581
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: I think so all of these things came into you know,

582
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: the music part of our lives and the creative part

583
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: of our lives was only you know that It wasn't

584
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: like their individual personalities. But I didn't know anything about

585
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: these guys. We weren't didn't grow up together as thing

586
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: like that, you know. So when you see you know,

587
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: people's uh, you know, life stories totally different from mine,

588
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, totally different. And I think that's that's the

589
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: that's the problem. What did it have happened with three

590
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: completely different guys? You know, I don't think so. I

591
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: think there's a special thing about groups. I always felt

592
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: that way, And you know, when we did the Broadway

593
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: Show it was perfect example for some reason. You know,

594
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: I use the word God who used whatever word you want,

595
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: puts together certain individuals that have a special sympathico together,

596
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: a special magic together. Because during that that that time,

597
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: when we did that Broadway show, it started off pretty

598
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: rough because a lot of the uh like Dino for example,

599
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: really hadn't been playing. You know, his chops were all

600
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: they were not they're out there. Eddie hadn't been singing,

601
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: so there was no But after a while the magic

602
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: came in. So and answer you to your question, I

603
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: don't think it would happen with other people. You've never know.

604
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: Once the band broke up the early seventies, in two

605
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: you reunite and do this thing with Steve van Zan.

606
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: How much contact did you have with the other members

607
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: across from the litigation table. Yeah, it was not a

608
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: pleasant experience. Yeah, No, we really didn't have much contact.

609
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: I tried to uh reinvent the the writing team, myself

610
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: and Eddie many times over the years because I said

611
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: that we don't have to work, we don't have to

612
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: go on the road, we don't have to even sing,

613
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: but we can certainly, right, why don't we do that?

614
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: You know? And I really was unable to do that

615
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: as well, you know, so we just separated. We did

616
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: a tour in night without Eddie. We did uh, we

617
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: did that wonderful Atlantic reunion, uh was it forty year anniversary,

618
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: which was just oh man, that was so much fun.

619
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean, here you are with all

620
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: these these groups you know, that are in one place

621
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: at one time. That that was a lot of and

622
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: and he didn't do that either, So he didn't do it,

623
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, And so we didn't really have much contact

624
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: when we got to the Hall of Fame evening. It

625
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: was unfortunate that that wasn't a real pleasant experience either,

626
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it should have been, you know,

627
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: but um, that's just so much, you know, it's just

628
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: really difficult to discuss. You talk about the litigation. What

629
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: was all the litigation about? Wow? Well, you know, um, well,

630
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: right now, I mean the name, the name, the name,

631
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: the situation, you know. I was on the impression when

632
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: you leave a band and you you don't want to

633
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: use the name, that somebody else should be able to

634
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: use the name. But I guess people don't think like that,

635
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, uh, A lot of things that there's a

636
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: lot of just misunderstandings, you know that, you know, without

637
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: going into detail, because I purposely left that out of

638
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: the book because who cares, you know, I mean, well,

639
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: what's the problem. You know, I noticed some people like

640
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: for example, you know, uh, like for example Mr Putin,

641
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: I think he has an idea that these countries that

642
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: have become free and independent really belong to the Soviet

643
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: Union that was dissolved. He's wrong. But try to tell

644
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: somebody that, and then that somebody goes to an attorney

645
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: and talk to the attorney into saying, well, how about

646
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: if we see if this is viable? You know, and

647
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: in England, you know, if you if you, if you

648
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: sue and and it doesn't doesn't happen, you pay, you know,

649
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: you pay the the the what you're looking for, plus

650
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: the legal fees. But in America, bring it on, man,

651
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. We got your coverage. Just pay

652
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: to pay the lawyers and you know it's just it's sad.

653
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: You know, they call them frivolous suits. So there you go. Okay.

654
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: One statement that really sticks out in your book is

655
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: that you sold the publishing. Yeah, was it like Creden's

656
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Clearwater Revival where you sold a hundred percent we're just

657
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: the ownership share and retained the raider's share. What was

658
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: going on there, Well, we retained the right to share,

659
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: but you know, the the tragedy was you know, and

660
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: again in nineteen seventy approached me too. Uh Eddie Brigotti

661
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: decided to abandon ship. Actually the nineteen seventy we were

662
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: free agents. We had five years with the Atlantic and uh,

663
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: I say this in the book as well that uh

664
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: Atlantic didn't want to resign the rascals. They wanted to

665
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: resign me, but they didn't want the rascals were a

666
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: little bit too uh out of control in terms of

667
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: uh you know, like direction and you know, like continuity,

668
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: and you know, the output was was not there because

669
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, people weren't weren't doing their jobs. So we

670
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: went to Columbia and it was a major step because

671
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: you know, Clive Davis was over there and uh, you

672
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: know Colombia and I digress, but I mean, you know,

673
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: Columbia was always an international label, whereas Atlantic in the

674
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: early days was not. You know, in Atlantic, we had

675
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: a different record company in every in every country of

676
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: the world, and it was you know, you got you

677
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: got twenty people stealing from you said one, you know.

678
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: But I mean the interesting thing is that when Zeppelin

679
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: came along, you know, uh, at that time, Atlantic merged

680
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: with Warner Brothers. So now there was one label. So

681
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: when you put out a Warner Brothers or an Atlantic product,

682
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: it became internationally. Thus single or the album we didn't

683
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: have that, you know, we had, and so basically we

684
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: were just a little bit before the international you know.

685
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: I mean the platinum records were just starting. You know,

686
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: Cream I think had the first platinum album, and you know, uh,

687
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: so you know, it was a major, major difference, you know.

688
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: So um, you know, as I say, you know, you

689
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: just try to continue. But what happened at that time

690
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: when Eddie decided to leave, is that the you know,

691
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's the same as a divorce,

692
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: it's the same as a corporation just dissolving. You know,

693
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: Now that the legal issues come up where you've got

694
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: to divide, you know, divide everything, and this is yours,

695
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: this is your microphone, you know, all that kind of

696
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: stuff to stock well for some reason. And again, you know,

697
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: this is where it gets a little, a little little gray,

698
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: because you know, I was still you know, as in

699
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: my late twenties, you know, and I hadn't really developed

700
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: much negativity to the world. You know, I was kind

701
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: of like, you know, still in la la land as

702
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: far as like, man, this is the coolest thing. I

703
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: enjoyed myself so much. I mean, I don't care how

704
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: many arguments we had. That was having a band and

705
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: being successful and being on the road. It was really fun.

706
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: But it was really a dream come true. And you

707
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: like my music? Oh you want to hear? Are you

708
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: kidding me? What more could I possibly ask? Oh? Oh

709
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: the sun isn't shining every day? Oh, but that didn't

710
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: hit me. So when people within our group of advisors

711
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: came up with an idea to sell a power ishing,

712
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: it was also met with Brigotti wanted to cash in,

713
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: you know, all his chips and just wash his hands

714
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. Terrible decision. As a matter of fact,

715
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: there was a gentleman. But I don't even West Farrell,

716
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: who is no longer with us. West Farrell had a

717
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: an artist that wanted to record our song, one of

718
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: our songs. How can I be sure? David Cassidy, you know,

719
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: who was a major Rascal fan by the way, and anyway,

720
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: that that predicated the sale. And it was a total mistake,

721
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and it was so sad

722
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: because the only the only people who did not want

723
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: it to happen. We're not invited to the meeting, to

724
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: the transaction. And you know, as a young man, you know,

725
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: especially being you know Italian Salli. Man, you because the

726
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: hell with these guys, Dad with it, take it go.

727
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: You don't realize what are you saying? Man? You know

728
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: what I mean? This is a bad move, especially when

729
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: you see the people now who are you know, really

730
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: cashing in their chips on the publishing because we always

731
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: were told that the publishing was the manna of our industry,

732
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: the songs. That's that's really where it's at, you know,

733
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean asked Mr McCartney. You know, I mean he

734
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: when he gets a record deal, he doesn't take money,

735
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't want need money. He takes publishing. You know,

736
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: he owns all of the songs that you hear when

737
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: you go to a football game. He owns the whole halftime.

738
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, he owns frank music. You know, very very

739
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: very very smart, because that used to be and I

740
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: hope it still is. Where the where the real money was.

741
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: You know, So that was a bad mistake on our part. Okay,

742
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: but you reteen, your writer's share. Has that writer's share

743
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: been enough to keep you in good financial state over

744
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: the decades? Well to a degree, yes, But I mean

745
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: I had to put you know, four young people through

746
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: college and one through grad school, so you know, I

747
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: need a little supplement there once in a while, you know.

748
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: And but yeah, I've got no complaint. I mean, you know,

749
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: I I've had good advice my whole life. You know,

750
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: as I say, you know, I came from a so

751
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: called middle class family, so I had a kind of

752
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: a high bar to achieve to you know, try to

753
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: get to where my my family was and stuff like that.

754
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: And you know, I really have no complaints. I mean,

755
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: you make good decisions, you make bad decisions, you know.

756
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean that to me was a tragic decision because

757
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, it just just was a mistake. What about

758
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: record royalties? They were historically low when you started, Atlantic

759
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: was not famous for paying. What's your experience, Uh, well,

760
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: you know, we we really don't know. Uh you know

761
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: the answer to that, because we'll never know. You know,

762
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: in those days, they had a different way. They used

763
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: the vinyl you know, and basically they had this uh

764
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: sort of accounting mechanism where let's say, um, you print

765
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: up uh fifteen thousands promotion at copies. Well, you can't

766
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: get paid on those. Those are promotional, So that promotional

767
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: part of the equation. It's very interesting how that fluctuated.

768
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: You don't want to fluctuated that way. But yeah, we

769
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: sold to Oh no, no, no, but those were promotional.

770
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: Oh I see, Okay, I got you. We'll never know.

771
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're we're able to do audits every

772
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: five years, and you know, the tragedy of the situation,

773
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: they can't even agree on doing an audit. So it's

774
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: just bye bye, we'll see your money. Are they still

775
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: calculating your royalties at the low sixties rate? Pretty much? Sure.

776
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: We never really renegotiated. We should have. And so is

777
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: there any money there? Oh yeah, I mean there's something.

778
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: You know, obviously there's there's something there. It's it depends

779
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: on your lifestyle, of course, you know, but there's still

780
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: money there, you know. Fortunately, you know, we still have

781
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: audience out there, and and and and and you know,

782
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: there's so many variables to now. You know, when the

783
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: radio stations started to kind of de emphasize sixties and seventies,

784
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: and now you know, as as the demographic changes, you know,

785
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: they get up more towards you like they Well, okay,

786
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: now we don't have that that that advertisement, which is

787
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: really all the radio play is. It's an advertisement, you know. Uh, well,

788
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: I go on the road, you know, and uh you

789
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: know that's what to a degree is an advertisement. You

790
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We do podcasts and you know,

791
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: things like this keep our music alive because if you

792
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: can't hear it, you know, a lot of a lot

793
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: of these people were not even born, you know. I

794
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: mean I I say that in my show when I

795
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: do my closing storm, which is good love, and I say, hey,

796
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 1: we'd like you to sing along. But here's the rules.

797
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: If you weren't born, you don't have to see it. Okay,

798
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: you're going out on the road with Nikki Dolan's how

799
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: did that come together? I think that came as more

800
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: of like an agency management managerial decision, you know, like, uh,

801
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: you look for pairings, you know, people that get along,

802
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: and I think our music's you know, kind of they

803
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: they invoked this kind of real happiness, you know what

804
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, because you know, there's not not a really

805
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: a lot of like, you know, bad stuff in those songs,

806
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: as far as like, you know, we've had enough of

807
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: COVID and we've had enough of of of of you know, heartbreak,

808
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: and we certainly lose losing and have lost a lot

809
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: of people. I think a happy tour, you know, uh,

810
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: much like you know my eternal friends do. It's not

811
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: a bad idea, and I think the music would go together.

812
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: He's a good guy. I've known him and the other

813
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: fellows for years, and uh it's heart keeping a straight

814
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: face around him because he's really funny. You know, I

815
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: only know him a little bit, but I just could

816
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: never get over the fact that he was in circus

817
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: board and then suddenly she would say, you know a monkey,

818
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: that same guy. But uh, let's go back to the beginning.

819
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: So you grew up in ALM, what was pelam like that. Oh,

820
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: it is a beautiful suburb. I used to say, look,

821
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, I've got over here. I got mom very

822
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: I got near a show over there, young because I

823
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: can get beat up within five miles, but right here,

824
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm safe. You know. It was a great town with

825
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: a great, great education system. My parents moved there although

826
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: they couldn't afford it, because they wanted us really to

827
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: have an excellent education and that that worked. And your

828
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: parents were they born in America, born in the Old Country,

829
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: You were born in that They was second second generations, yes, okay.

830
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: And your father was a dentist and your mother what

831
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: did she do? Pharmacists? Pharmacists, So they were both working

832
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: outside the home. Well, you know he was when she

833
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: started having us. You know, I think she stopped. But

834
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: I mean, my my mom's family, you know, very very

835
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: interesting family as far as like they're kind of uh,

836
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, they were all doctors and you know, really

837
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: really kind of important people in the medical field. You know,

838
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: they were quite a family. And my dad's family me,

839
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: my dad came up uh from you know, uh family

840
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: that basically were His father was a barber. You know.

841
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: The good thing is that he was a Wall Street barber,

842
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: so when he got a tip was a real good one,

843
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: you know. So, you know, it was really interesting because

844
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: of the fact that, you know, there was a certain

845
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: intellect you know, around the house that I always appreciated,

846
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: you know, and uh uh when I went out into

847
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: the real world and I realized it's a little different

848
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: out here, you know. So I really had an excellent childhood. Okay,

849
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: so you said you have no brothers, sister, sisters. A sister, yeah, older, younger,

850
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: she's young as you can't sing. How did you end

851
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: up starting at the piano? Oh? My mom? Yeah, for

852
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: some reason, you know a lot of people give their

853
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: kids piano lessons, you know, and for some reason, she saw,

854
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, a talent there, you know, and and so

855
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: she enrolled me in in this pretty serious school for

856
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: a five year old, you know, three lessons a week

857
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: for eight years, and I got an education. I got

858
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: a musical education. The the the you know, the principle

859
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: was to be a classical pianist, you know, And and

860
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: I did, I mean I tried. I went, you know,

861
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: I did what was told. I went to Carnegie, holding

862
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: my auditions and things like that, and it was just

863
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: it was such a different planet that was just so interesting,

864
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: you know. And and but I learned music. Okay, did

865
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: you like music? I loved it? Absolutely? And did you

866
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: want to practice? Because you moved back in those days

867
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: of piano lessons? Getting the kids to practice was the

868
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: hardest part. That's in the book. Also, my mom, she

869
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: used to you know, we had you know, in the

870
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: street and in the in the back where we used

871
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: to play ball, we had you know, home plate was

872
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: the sewer head, you know. You know, so she would

873
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: come park the car there time for class. Mom, you're

874
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: on the home plate, time for class. You know. That's

875
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: the thing. You know. We're very lenient with our kids,

876
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: you know. And that's a mistake because if she had

877
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: been lenient with me, I would never I would have

878
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: never learned. I wanted to go out and play Man.

879
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't do video games. We went out

880
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: there and played man. And were you a popular kid?

881
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: Good student? What kind of kids were you? You know,

882
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: you're not popular until you start playing music, you know,

883
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: because I was real little. You know, my friends are

884
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: all these giants, you know, and like you know, they're

885
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: going out for the football team. And I couldn't make

886
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: the weight. You had to be hunting twenty five, you know,

887
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: So what can I do? Started playing music? Oh wow,

888
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: look at that a girl. It's different. It's really interesting.

889
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: And how did you end up learning to play the Oregon? Ah? Well,

890
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: a friend of mine said, there's a club up in

891
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: New Rochelle Black Club. There's a trio in there. You

892
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: want to go? So we got one problem. Man, We're

893
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: not sixteen. We're not even able to walk into freaking

894
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got that covered, you know, we got that.

895
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: And I went in and I saw this organ trio,

896
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: the Mighty Cravers, an Oregon playing bass, singing, playing leads,

897
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: a sacks, and a drum, and I said, oh my god,

898
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: what is that. That's a Hammond organ. Well that's when

899
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: the Magical Mystery Tour Number one started. I'm in organ.

900
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: How am I going to get a Let me check

901
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: this out. Well, I lived in Westchester, but you know

902
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: where they saw him, New York, Macy's. So I get

903
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: on a train and I go down there, and I'll

904
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: never forget it as long as I live. Mr Silverstein

905
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: is in charge of the music department at Macy's. He says, sure, son,

906
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: go right, in there. That's where the Hammonds are. I

907
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: have this in the book also, But it was like, Okay,

908
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: I opened the doors and here are these big machines.

909
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: You know, what do I do? You can't just sit

910
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: down and turn it on because it's not that easy.

911
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: There's a whole situation with a Hammond. There's two switches.

912
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: But he let me be in there, you know, and

913
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: I felt this thing and then I found out it's

914
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars. I said, oh, Ben, I got a problem. Okay, well,

915
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: thank you sir. Onward, but that started it. So how

916
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: did you often we get it? Or well, I gotta

917
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: I got a smaller one when I went to college,

918
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, when I when I went to college, I

919
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: I kind of you know, we would play pianos with

920
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: microphones sticking in the other side that they be amplified

921
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: and you can keep up with the guitars, you know.

922
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: But I I got a small album hamm and I

923
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: think it was called an L L something. Excuse my phone.

924
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: That's somebody that doesn't know I'm an important guy anyway. Okay,

925
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: But as someone who went to all the rock shows

926
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: in the sixties, we used to look at the Oregon

927
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: and say that's a heavy thing to slipt around. Chiropractice

928
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: loved me, that's for sure, you know. I you know

929
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: my patience, and I know I'm sorry about that. Yeah,

930
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: it was not made for the row, you know, which

931
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: is so interesting because you know, Hammond really uh, I

932
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: think the fellow was like a Thomas Edison type who

933
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: created that instrument. You know, he did a lot of

934
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: different inventions. This was one and I don't think he

935
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: really ever realized what he had created in terms of

936
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: musical virtuoso instrument. You know, I really don't think they knew,

937
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, you know, there's a great stories there.

938
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's interested, but you know that

939
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: there's a there's a marriage between the Hammond organ and

940
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: the Leslie speaker. You know the Leslie speakers, that box

941
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: that spins around, you know and distributes the sound of

942
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: the top and the bottom throughout the church or room

943
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: or wherever you happen to be. Well, Hammond didn't create

944
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: the speaker. This other company named Leslie did, and Hammond

945
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: Company did not want that Leslie speaker anywhere near their organ. However,

946
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: the speaker that they had was kind of like a

947
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: Fender guitar hump. It did not it wasn't it didn't.

948
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't good. So it took them years to realize

949
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: we must coexist. You know, he had no idea they

950
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: had made this monstrosity of a phenomenal, you know, like instrument,

951
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: which it still is. Okay, how hard was it to learn?

952
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: You know, piano is pretty simple. It's got the keys

953
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: and it's got the strings. But there's so many things,

954
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: including bass, pedals, etcetera. On an Oregon. How long did

955
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: it take you to come up to speed? How long

956
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: did it take you to ride a bike? Same thing,

957
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: same thing, same thing? You know. I mean you gotta

958
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: do that. Oh okay, I go oh, I get it. Yeah.

959
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean you know, when people want to do something,

960
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, uh, they do it and and and and

961
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: I I heard you know this, Jimmy Smith's gentleman. Oh

962
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: my god, I said bad. Yeah. Most of the people

963
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: that come from you know, my years way back when

964
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, like the Kinks and you know all these guys,

965
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, the they love what they do, man, you know,

966
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I I see Rod Argent, these guys many

967
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: they don't have to go on the road Ringo is

968
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the best example. I mean, what he needs, he needs

969
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: to go, he needs to go work. They love it

970
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: and if you love it, it's easy. Don't stand that point.

971
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: You know, you were a king in an era with gods.

972
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: Did you know all those people? Sure we have business.

973
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: We had, you know, fifteen people in those days nowadays,

974
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was a small business. You know.

975
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: First of all, look, there really wasn't a big paycheck

976
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: at the end of those years for most are artists,

977
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they didn't make any money, you know,

978
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: until you know, like we started getting to beatle Land

979
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: and to Zeppe Land and to cream Land and they're

980
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: rolling stone Land. So you had to be a little

981
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: bit insane to do this, you know. And second of all, um,

982
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't that many people doing it, and

983
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: and those of us that we're doing it, you know

984
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: before right before our time, when Murray the k and

985
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: of course Alan Freed and and they used to have

986
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: these shows. They had like ten fifteen acts on the show,

987
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we would Wick of Bo Diddley Man,

988
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: we would have Paddi LaBelle. I mean they would be

989
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: on the same stage. You can't like nowadays, because you're

990
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars to go to that show. But it

991
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: was different, you know, and Chuck Berry would be there,

992
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: and you know, it was just a lot more about music,

993
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: and you know, they couldn't choge. It was like three

994
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: dollars went five dollars to get in. Yeah, let's let's

995
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: go back to that era. You're obviously a little older

996
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: than I am, but I certainly remember everybody had a

997
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: transistor radio by time I came along. Elvis was kind

998
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: of in the rear view mirror in the army. But

999
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: we had the Beach Boys, we had Frankie Valley, and

1000
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: we had a lot of people who were derided, like

1001
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: Fabian and Bobby right absolutely. Then all of a sudden,

1002
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: the Beatles come and the whole thing blows up. But

1003
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: what I find interesting is the people who followed in

1004
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: their wake, certainly a media. They've been in the business,

1005
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: they've been playing music before. So my question to you

1006
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: is what inspired you, what turned you on? What was

1007
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: it like before the Beatles? Well, Elvis of course was there.

1008
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: You know, Elvis was there again. You know this is

1009
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: all in that book, you know, But I was in school,

1010
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: you know, I was a Junior H what he called

1011
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: Junior High. And this you know the alphabet ties you

1012
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: see A V C A L C A L was

1013
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: right in front of me. John become one of my

1014
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: dear friends. We we just were joining up because you know,

1015
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: basically we were all different elementary schools that that had

1016
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: come to Junior High. Sis, Hey, you like rock and roll.

1017
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: I had no idea what he was talking about. I

1018
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: I had never heard the word. We were classically kind

1019
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: of like you know, a religion. You know, I don't

1020
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: want you to go into those other denominations. You stay

1021
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: right here now. I couldn't listen, but I said yes

1022
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to be like, know where this

1023
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: guy come from. But I went home, turn on this

1024
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: little green box web Corp. Whatever it was, and I

1025
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: heard this guy Alan Freed, and I heard this guy

1026
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: Ray Charles and Jerry Lee Lewis, and I said, oh

1027
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: my god, this facts don't want He's playing the piano.

1028
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: That's what I play. Oh wow. And it just starts

1029
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: you off and you say, like, you know, I think

1030
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: I think I could do this, you know, let me

1031
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: try it. You know, Well, this whole world opened up,

1032
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: you know, to all of us not just I mean,

1033
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, beatles have the same story coming from the

1034
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: English point of view, from the radio, from pirate radio

1035
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. It just it just

1036
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: it's just like, well, that's what I do. I play

1037
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: that instrument, but I don't play it like that. Let

1038
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: me see if I can do it. That's how it starts.

1039
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: At what point did the dream of making this a

1040
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: career come to you? Well, you know, it really never

1041
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: came to me. And you know, basically, I I you know,

1042
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: I get a chance to speak at a lot of

1043
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, I used to speak at Berkeley College of

1044
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: Music when I lived on the East Coast, and you know,

1045
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: I tell the young people, I said, look, you know,

1046
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: you have no idea what's going to happen? You really don't,

1047
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, And and and you know, I tell my story,

1048
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: which is what we're talking about here. I was supposed

1049
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: to be pre I was pre med. I mean, I

1050
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: was going you know, the way of my my my family,

1051
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: you know. But I had a band up there, you know,

1052
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: I had a group called the Escorts and lou Reed

1053
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: went to the school at the same time. You know,

1054
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: in Syracuse is a very very I mean it was

1055
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: so much fun. I mean, I'm I'm I mean I

1056
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: used to play for all the athletes. I used to

1057
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: play for the you know, the homecoming. We had a

1058
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: good team and those days it was more of a

1059
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: football school. But I played for all the parties. I said,

1060
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: you know what, this is really fun. And then another guy,

1061
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: another gentleman from our band we had, you know, fraternities,

1062
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: we had to zbt you know, and his father, uh

1063
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: had big connections up in the Catsco Mountains. Usaid, want

1064
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: to want to go to the Castle Mountains first summer? Yeah?

1065
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: When on? I never went back. I had so much

1066
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just I loved it, you know,

1067
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: and here I am, and you know, it's all in

1068
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: the in the book, so to speak. But I had

1069
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: no idea that I was going to be a musician.

1070
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: I had absolutely no idea until you know it. Just

1071
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: to tell us some I hooked it up with Joey

1072
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: D and the Starlighters. Yeah, well again, you know, like

1073
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: what happened is every every weekend when a headliner would

1074
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: come in, you know, and um that headliner in this

1075
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: case was Joey D and the star Lighters. And that's

1076
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: when my life really really changed because up until then

1077
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: I had not that much contact with New Jersey. Itights,

1078
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, and when I met the New Jersey it's,

1079
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god. I I was introduced

1080
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: to another planet, you know, and it's it's something that

1081
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, like I'll never forget, you know that. The

1082
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: first thing that I remember is this gentleman by the

1083
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: name of David Brigatti who was remember coming into the

1084
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: dressing room and looking at my nose and he says,

1085
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: are you Jewish? I said what he said? When I

1086
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: saw that, I didn't know, you know, I said, Okay,

1087
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: this is going to be something they saw me I

1088
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: was doing. Uh. I had to play for the lounges,

1089
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: and I had to play for the you know. I

1090
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: played for the for the for the for the hotel

1091
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: was the Rollie up there, and uh. They went to

1092
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: Europe right after that, and their organist had just recently

1093
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: gotten married and didn't want to stay. He wanted to

1094
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: go home. So they called me and they said, would

1095
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: you like to join us in Germany? And uh, I

1096
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: know how to tell My father said, Dad, I got this.

1097
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I shouldn't go back to the university.

1098
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: What do you think so and I went and I

1099
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: went over there, and you know, I went into this

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01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: club that they were and there was this group opening

1101
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: up for for Joey and everybody screaming and hollering and yelling.

1102
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: And I said, the Beatles. The what yeah, Wow, what's

1103
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: going on here? Wow? Man, Beetles are huge over here.

1104
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: This is before they came to the United States, So

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01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: what is this? And you know, long hair kids were going.

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01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they were just hysterical. I mean, this was

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01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: for real. This was not you know, stage don't I

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01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: do it at the Super Bowl? And they put the

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01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: fans up near the stage so they looked like they're

1110
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: having fun. But these these people were gone. And then

1111
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: I started listening to the music, you know, and I said, phoo,

1112
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: what I could hear? They're a singing group. You know,

1113
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: they're really not musicians. You know, you couldn't tell the

1114
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: geniuses that were on that stage quite yet. You couldn't

1115
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: even hear them. And and and and and and I

1116
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: listened to the music and I remember vividly the m

1117
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: when they did American music. They are right, you know,

1118
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: they have a very different way of syncopation, their rhythm structure,

1119
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: their rhythm is more. It's it's not as syncopated. It

1120
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have like the ends and the sixteenth notes and stuff.

1121
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: But when they did their music, when they did I

1122
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: want to hold your hand, loved me do it's just

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01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: how do your ears just went? What is that? Wow? Man,

1124
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: that's pretty dawned cool. You know, little did we know?

1125
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: Little did I know that I was going to do this.

1126
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: Little did I know that the rest of the world

1127
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: was going to find out what I had just heard

1128
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: not too long after that, and in America with its

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01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: solid So that's when I kind of made this decision.

1130
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I could do this. There's

1131
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: nothing that these guys are doing. Little did I know

1132
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: they were total composition geniuses. You know, we didn't know

1133
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: that I could do this. Let's go youth man, there's

1134
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 1: nothing like it. How long did you with Joey? What

1135
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: was the inspiration for leaving? And then what you do? Well?

1136
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: You know I came back with joe and you know

1137
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: that was quite an organization. Man. Let me tell you,

1138
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: almost work back to school, you know, because it was

1139
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: so you know, it wasn't like you know, you you

1140
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: look and there weren't a very sophisticated type of organization.

1141
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: So I met Frankie Valley. You know, frank Frankie Valley

1142
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: was the first kind of person that I met that

1143
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: really had his act together in those days, you know

1144
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. He wasn't just out there to party

1145
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: and to have fun, and you know, he he was

1146
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: out there to succeed. And I saw that. Oh wow, yeah,

1147
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: m hm, with all due respect, yeah, they had some

1148
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: smart people out here. I get it, you know, because

1149
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: Frankie was there before Joey, you know. And and and

1150
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: frank has always been like a you know, an older brother.

1151
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 1: You know. He always tells me to cut your hair,

1152
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: and you know, we're a tie, and you know, that's

1153
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's the way he treats me as

1154
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: as a you know, as as a nephew or something,

1155
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: you know. So, you know, I just stay with Joey

1156
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: for a while, and then I took another job, which

1157
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: was out in Las Vegas, and then I got drafted.

1158
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: And you know that that's the real difference between then

1159
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: and now, you know, did you have to remember those days?

1160
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't believe you can never forget him.

1161
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: You can never forget him. That's also in the book.

1162
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: And I tried to be as nice as I could

1163
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: about it because but until until I was you know,

1164
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: relieved of my duty, you know, as a mercenary. You know,

1165
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: I that was the point of starting a group when

1166
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: when I left school, uh, you know, basically I went

1167
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: on into the real world. Um uh, you know, reality

1168
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: sits in. I mean, you know, like, wow, it's nice

1169
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: you have a hotel job, you get paid to eat

1170
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: and sleep, you know, but when you go out into

1171
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: the world and you're trying to make a living as

1172
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: a musician, it's a whole different thing. Why start a

1173
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: band until why why do anything until I get this

1174
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: draft out of the way, you know what, all due respect,

1175
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: in the early days, they were very very very uh

1176
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: you know they were They was a little bit more

1177
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: careful who they brought in. You know, they didn't want me.

1178
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: They said, hey, if there's a nuke war, we'll call you.

1179
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: Other than that, you know, you can go okay, So

1180
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: you're free of that obligation. Is it then that you

1181
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: start to put together the Rascals? Absolutely? Absolutely? How did

1182
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: you do that? Well? Basically, you know, I mean, you know,

1183
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: God works as strange ways. You know, it puts people

1184
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: in your life, you know basically that you know, like

1185
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: belong there, you know what I mean. There's like this well,

1186
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: I was working in the Joey's Club because I went

1187
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: back there after, you know, after a while, because I,

1188
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, needed to make a living at the time.

1189
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: And they had a drummer that they had a band

1190
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: there that it's called the Starlighters. And this time was Eddie,

1191
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: not his brother Eddie. And and this guy, just this

1192
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: young man from Rochester, New York, Gene Cornish, came in

1193
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: from Rochester, New York. You know, he would try to

1194
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: make it in the in the business. He had a

1195
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: group up in Rochester called the Unbeatables. Interesting, you know,

1196
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: and and then he came to New York and he

1197
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: and he hit the wall, you know, the wall of

1198
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: what are you kidding? This is this is a whole

1199
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: different world. Man from Rochester, New York. He started on

1200
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: this stall Adder band, uh, the the the uh myself

1201
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: Eddie Geen. We had an interesting drummer. We had a

1202
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: young young drummer from Brooklyn at the time. And then

1203
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: and as I say, you know, when I when I

1204
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: kind of kind of start putting my plans together, I

1205
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: asked him. I said, look, why don't we do our

1206
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: own thing? What do you mean, why don't we try

1207
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: and make it in the music business. Interestingly enough that

1208
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: the the the drummer didn't want to go. He got

1209
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: another offer from a group that was kind of like

1210
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: steady work, which I understand. You know, you got you

1211
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: gotta work. You know, this is all speculative, still is

1212
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: always will be. And h then again, you know, the

1213
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: hand of faith. I had this woman that said to me, well,

1214
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: I know a better drummer, and I and and and

1215
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: I say, you know you're a banker. You know what,

1216
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: what do you know? You know? She took me to

1217
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: see this, this this gentleman by the name of Dino Dannelly.

1218
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: I saw him through a window at the Metropole. I

1219
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: saw him do two songs and I said, oh my god,

1220
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: do you know a guitar player? No, I didn't mean

1221
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: so anyway, I just I couldn't believe this guy. You know,

1222
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he was not only playing

1223
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: the drums, well, he was doing a show because his

1224
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: life was part of like the Louie Bellson Uh, you know,

1225
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: Buddy Rich Uh, you know people who were Lionel Hampton.

1226
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: These were people. Basically, they were the leaders of their band.

1227
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: In the back of the band as as a drummer,

1228
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: they put on a show besides being in perfect time

1229
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: and doing I couldn't believe it. So I know I

1230
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: had the ingredients. Let's go try it. Okay, what were

1231
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: the next steps? How do you get from there to

1232
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: the Hampton's Well, basically, uh, you know, we we we

1233
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: rehearsed at my my father's home. We went down in

1234
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: the basement area we had, and we went out to

1235
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: the to the world to get jobs. And we got

1236
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: a few jobs. A matter of fact, I just did

1237
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: a show down in Florida with one of the uh uh,

1238
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: the sons of the first place that we worked. The

1239
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: first place we worked was in Garfield, New Jersey, at

1240
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: the Churchoo Club. And this gentleman came to see me.

1241
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: He's like eighty three now, you know, and and uh

1242
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: he hired us. He hired me at that time, and uh,

1243
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, one day, this gentleman comes in

1244
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: from this uh famous club in New York City called

1245
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: on Dean's. Now it wasn't I'm not sure if it

1246
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: was on Dean's. I think it was better been on

1247
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: Dean's and his name was Romi Aguieri and he said,

1248
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: I've got an idea. Can I speak to you? And

1249
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, I said, yeah, can you sat down? He said,

1250
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: I want to open a club in the Hampton's for

1251
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: the summer. We'd like you to be the band. Now.

1252
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: I grew up not too far from the Hamptons, and

1253
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: I realized what was going on going on over that

1254
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: part of Long Island. That's where everybody who has anything

1255
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: I would like to be this summer. We're gonna be fine.

1256
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: Let's take it. Just to be clear, how long after

1257
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: you formed the band? Does this happen? Six months or

1258
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: not even six month? We had a deal in six months,

1259
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: just like two months. We were good, man, We had

1260
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: a good band. I mean these guys, you know, See

1261
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: the thing is like most bands have one guy, you know,

1262
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: and that guy is like, you know, he's the head

1263
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: Headhunt show. You know. I have four guys that either

1264
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: we're leaders or their own band. Let't me tell you. Wait,

1265
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: where do you want to look? These guys were good, man,

1266
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, they were really good, you know. And and

1267
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: and so when you looked on the stage, you know,

1268
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: like you said, wow, chick. I mean Johnston Basch justs

1269
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: got the best story about that. You have to ask

1270
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: him about that. He I think he he says it

1271
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: all the time. When when the Love is poom Full

1272
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: first came to see the Rascals, they said, boy, we

1273
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: better get to work man, these guys. He did, man,

1274
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, because we were kind of like rivals in

1275
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: those days. He was the downtown and we were the uptown.

1276
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: You know, and I love him. He's one of the

1277
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: nicest human beings I've ever met. But you know, yeah,

1278
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: it didn't take long because we were good. You know,

1279
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: we were good, and we attracted you know, crowds. We

1280
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 1: had a lot of help. The The interesting thing about

1281
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: us is that our hometowns, you know, in my case

1282
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: Pelham and in Eddie's case, Garfield, they supported us. You know,

1283
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: these people would come out to the shows and say, hey, man,

1284
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, I got I got a great idea. How

1285
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: about if I do this? You know, we had just

1286
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: one one guy, one kid whose father you know, when

1287
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: we would work in the early clubs, you know those

1288
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: big floodlights they put up when you have the you know,

1289
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: the bazaars and league lights. He put them on in

1290
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: front of the place. And when day I asked him,

1291
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: I said, Billy, who's it was? Paying stuff? He put

1292
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: on his father's credit card. You know. But we had

1293
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: people like really supporting the troop. They really wanted to. Yeah,

1294
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: when I got an idea, let's let's let's let's put

1295
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: posters up on all the stops signs, oh yeah, that

1296
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: the cops are gonna love that. You know, there was

1297
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: a there was a this is gonna happen, you know,

1298
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: which is why, you know, I get so sad when

1299
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: I when I talk about and speak about the you know,

1300
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: so called present tense of of the fact that nobody

1301
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: we had a phenomenal base, our team. But then we

1302
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: just were just great people, you know what I mean.

1303
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: There were people, the families, and you know, it was

1304
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, you know, a collaboration of

1305
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: of of a few towns in America. You know, let's

1306
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: let's make this happen, you know, and and so uh,

1307
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't long at all. Was the dream

1308
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: to make a living playing live? Or was the dream

1309
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,879
Speaker 1: to get a record deal? Who knows? I mean, seriously,

1310
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean, as I say, you know, there's this Jean

1311
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: d viv or whatever you wanna all about playing music

1312
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: that you know, like, you know, a lot of us have.

1313
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, some people are able to do it. Some

1314
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: people have to do it after they've you know, completed

1315
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: their their their their retire retire re fund. But I

1316
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: was able to do it, So I never really had

1317
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: I can never really say I had any kind of

1318
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, I just knew I had to do this

1319
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: music after a while, you know, I could feel it

1320
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: coming through me. I gotta do this, It has to

1321
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: be done, has to be and let me, let me,

1322
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: let me get the Catharsis of this. Let me do this.

1323
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: I love. So how did you you're playing in the Hamptons,

1324
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: how did you end up getting a record deal? Well? Here,

1325
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: here's here's where. You know, we got Betty Davis coming,

1326
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 1: we got all these big you know, record record people

1327
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: coming in and you know, Phil Specter's coming, and well

1328
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: what happened basically is is a gentleman by the name

1329
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: of Walter Hyman, who was a textile uh, very very

1330
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: very wealthy man sauce and he said called up his buddy,

1331
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 1: said Bernstein, who was in the business. Sid came up

1332
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: and they decided to form a management company and manage us. Well.

1333
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: From that point, now we entered into the real world

1334
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: of like you know, marketing and so called you know,

1335
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: put the name in the in the New York Post

1336
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: and all those magazines and newspapers. Rather and uh, the

1337
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: record company started to come out. So when when when

1338
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: Sid and Walter came on. First of all, they doubled

1339
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: our salary. We're getting peanuts, you know. And he said,

1340
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: you know, I guess what's bringing these people. And it's

1341
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: not the ship, it's these guys. And so you know,

1342
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: everything changed. I was running the band at that time

1343
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: out of a book, you know, This Business of Music,

1344
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 1: which is a classic for anybody who wants anything to

1345
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: do with contracts or and and I don't know what

1346
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: to do, you know, basically, but when he came in,

1347
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: when Sid and Walter came in, that, uh, the owners

1348
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: now became okay, let's get him a record deal. You

1349
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: talk about it being a different era in the floors

1350
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,839
Speaker 1: of Sid relative to other people. What was good about

1351
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: Sid and what did Walter rad other than the connection. Well,

1352
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: at that time, Walter was the business uh man, you know, Sid,

1353
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,679
Speaker 1: Sid and Bernstein, you know who also has a book

1354
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: that's uh. He was like the last of the kind

1355
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: of Mike Todd type of individuals, you know. He he

1356
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: he had a vision of what could be. You know,

1357
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: like for example, when Bobby Fisher was in the Chess

1358
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: World with Boris Spassky, I think people would like to

1359
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 1: see this, So he brought it to the United States.

1360
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: So the Beatles brought it to the United States. You know,

1361
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,959
Speaker 1: he saw actually karate and taekwondo brought it to Madisons

1362
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: Gregg Garden. He was a visionary in that capacity and

1363
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: that he could see this is happening, This is happening,

1364
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: this is happening. He still got to pay the bills.

1365
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 1: He's still got you still got to feed the dog,

1366
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's where he wasn't see

1367
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: he was. He was a visionary. You know, you take

1368
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: a risk. You know. One of the Sid Bernstein story,

1369
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: he's remember the Newport Jazz Festival and then they had

1370
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: those riots. You know, I guess I could tell the

1371
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: story when when they had the riots, the next year

1372
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: was canceled. So Sid says, no, no, we got to

1373
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: resurrect this. He went out and borrowed money to make

1374
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: that thing happen the next year, knowing he should have

1375
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: full well he was going to lose a lot of money.

1376
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: But that was sid He was that kind of man.

1377
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: He had. He had a different kind of outlook on

1378
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: on on the world that was from a very very

1379
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: sincere Uh probably wanted to please, you know, he wanted

1380
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: to entertain, you know, and and and and that was

1381
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: just said eight kids later. I have to ask, because

1382
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: of the legendary stories of Colonel Tom Parker, do you

1383
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: remember what their percentage was? Uh? Well, it changed because

1384
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: of the fact that he was he was a company.

1385
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: Prior to that, I don't remember, but it wasn't It

1386
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,839
Speaker 1: wasn't obscene at at all. Though we were fairly treated.

1387
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,560
Speaker 1: I always felt we were okay. So how do you

1388
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: end up in Atlantic Records? Certain people came through the door.

1389
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: I wanted to sign us up. For example, Mr Spector

1390
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: came in and uh, you know, I had to really

1391
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 1: I loved his music. I mean, you know what he did,

1392
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, we just lost our dear

1393
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: friend ire Ronnie. You know. But I had to say,

1394
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: I say, look, guys, I don't want to go with

1395
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: Phil Specter. I don't want to be phil specter ized,

1396
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: what do you mean, man? I said, no, no, no, no,

1397
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: I want to produce ourselves. Don't you understand they like

1398
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: what they hear these people. Let's do it ourselves. I

1399
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: know I can do this. You know when I when

1400
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: I was growing up, I heard this record called Money

1401
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: by Barrett Strong. I think it was produced by Barry Gordy.

1402
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: What does that mean produced? Oh you mean you put

1403
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: it together. I could do that. I could do anything.

1404
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: So I wanted to be a producer. I I just

1405
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to go in there and have somebody tell me,

1406
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: you know what you should sound like. There's no no, no, no, no.

1407
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: This is what I want to sound like. You like it,

1408
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: don't you? It's good in it. I'll tell you what, man,

1409
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: Let me do it. Atlantic was the only company that

1410
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: would allow us to do it. However, in the book,

1411
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 1: you testify ad infinite him about the greatness and power

1412
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: of the reef Martin. Well he asked the Beatles about

1413
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:26,799
Speaker 1: George Martin. You know again, you know there's a definite

1414
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: divine nature to our world, whether we like it or not.

1415
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: You know, and when things fall into your place and

1416
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: you go like, okay, this guy is really good. I

1417
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: mean when when when I knew who Tom Doubt was

1418
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: when he was in the Rule with us, because you know,

1419
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: I saw his name on all the albums and all

1420
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: the singles that I bought my whole life. You know,

1421
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: the Drifters, the Coasters, you know, the Ravens, the you know,

1422
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 1: Clim mcpe town down town, down town down I knew him,

1423
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: but our reef Martin I didn't know. But it's kind

1424
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: of like, you know, when you have when you have like,

1425
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: for example, say animals, you know, like say, for example, horses,

1426
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, and they put them all together and then

1427
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this one dude gets this horse

1428
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: gets up over Then you go like, oh my god,

1429
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a horse over there. Bro. This

1430
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: guy was just I'm sorry. You know, I cried like

1431
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: a baby when he passed. He was something. And you're

1432
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: working with him, you know, so what can you say?

1433
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: You know, I got an idea, Oh how about this?

1434
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: Oh I gotta what do you think about this? So

1435
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, did I die and did I die and

1436
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: go to heaven? I don't know? This is this is

1437
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 1: phenomenal working with this guy, just phenomenal you're saying, although

1438
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: with the reef giving you insight that you actually produced

1439
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: all these rascals. Oh we did, Oh absolutely. I mean

1440
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: I I don't want to take credit all by myself,

1441
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: but you know, I didn't go home until two or

1442
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: three in the morning, you know, while these guys were out,

1443
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, no, no, I was there. I could tell

1444
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: you every dial, everything that they touched. Oh, you know,

1445
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: it's too much. I don't want that many highs on it. Yeah,

1446
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: I was there. I was interested for the first day.

1447
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: So we produced our own stuff. I mean I say

1448
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: we because that's what the contracts said, but I mean

1449
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: I was there every step of the way, enjoyed every

1450
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 1: moment of it. You know, in those days, we had

1451
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: the unfortunate transition between mono and stereo. You know, so

1452
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: if anybody knows what it takes to mix a record,

1453
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, in those days we only had eight tracks,

1454
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: but still it's it's it's always tedious. We had to

1455
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: do it twice for each song. We had to do

1456
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: a mono and a stereo version. So yeah, I was

1457
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: there the whole time, and and and and you know,

1458
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a seriously a note that went

1459
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: on any of our records that I wasn't totally aware of.

1460
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: So the first album doesn't have any originals at the time,

1461
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: did you have any originals? How do you decide on

1462
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: the songs that were included in the first round? Well,

1463
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: that was pretty much our set because in those days,

1464
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: the club clubs demanded covers. They didn't want to hear

1465
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: any of your you know, your your personal fieldings or thoughts.

1466
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: You know. They wanted you know, these people are coming

1467
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: in here. I want them to dance. I want them

1468
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: to drink. They're not gonna do that if they're listening

1469
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: to your music. I want them to rock and roll.

1470
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: You know, they the aesthetic. That's not what we're hiring,

1471
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, uh, they demanded covers.

1472
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: So what I had to do basically is is we

1473
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: had a record store up in Nurshelle, New York. And

1474
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, in those days, you could go in, put

1475
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: on a set of headphones, put the needle down on

1476
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: the turntable, and stay as long as you wanted, you know.

1477
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: And I heard these songs, and then there was a

1478
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: couple of radio stations in Euyork w w l R,

1479
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: and you know, uh, Jocko was on and you know

1480
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: R and B stations, and they play this songs. You know,

1481
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,839
Speaker 1: they played this song, they played this song Mustang Sally,

1482
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: they played this song Temptations about to Get Me. Nobody

1483
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: ever heard those songs. They played this song good Loving

1484
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: unless you were in that neighborhood. Are we go to

1485
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: the record store, buy it and tell the proprietor this

1486
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: is a cover man. And I mean, I didn't make

1487
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: this up. See, that became our set. That's how we

1488
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 1: did our set. And and and it's interesting because the

1489
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: the accent that I bring to the table when we

1490
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: speak to the microphone, nobody thinks that come from Nashville, Tennessee.

1491
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: They know I'm not from here. You know why, Well,

1492
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: because whatever I do covered it that way. Well, when

1493
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: we did songs that we thought we were doing the

1494
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: English version, it was not. It was the sole version,

1495
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, It's just the way it came out. You know.

1496
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: It just was very interesting. How you know, we we

1497
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: we we we made on music. And how did you

1498
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: find they ain't can eat it out my heart anymore?

1499
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: Well that was a different story now Atlantic. You know,

1500
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: I knew we didn't really we hadn't really shown them

1501
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: any songs that were written, because they signed us based

1502
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: on the nightclub back. They liked what they heard, and

1503
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: uh so when we were to the label, they they

1504
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: they went the normal route, which as you know from

1505
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: those days, was to go to publishers and uh you

1506
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: know they they Beatles at Dylan and you know, Spoonful

1507
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: Birds and those people, even Birds, they went, they went

1508
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: got songs from other people that hadn't really evolved yet

1509
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:18,879
Speaker 1: where you were, you know, like on your own writing.

1510
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of the many, many, many gifts

1511
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: that the Beatles and people like Dylan gave us that

1512
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,919
Speaker 1: you know, like now now you could you know, express yourselves.

1513
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 1: Prior to that, they not too many people were interested

1514
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: in what you had to write at all, so there

1515
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: was really no reason to do it except for your

1516
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 1: creative you know kind of juices. So yeah, with those

1517
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: songs are part of our set. Did you cut Good

1518
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 1: Loving and say this is a hit or were you

1519
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: surprised when all of a sudden became a monster. While

1520
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: we were surprised when we came a monster, but we

1521
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: weren't surprised when it came a hit. You know. The difference,

1522
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,839
Speaker 1: Uh a lot of times between then and now. Is that? Uh,

1523
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: you have an audience like in other words, if I

1524
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: play a song and I've got a hundred people, a

1525
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people, it's a record this session here, like,

1526
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: what do you think? Well, if they go you know,

1527
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: from the first time we played that song, people got

1528
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: up and danced, people got up and drank, people got happy,

1529
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: and you know to this day, so you know, this

1530
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,799
Speaker 1: has got legs. This this could happen, you know, because

1531
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: you see what you know, You've got that instant reaction.

1532
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: It's like a comedian when he tells a joke. Don't

1533
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: use this in the show. You know. Okay, the record

1534
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: is a monster. You're all over the media. You have

1535
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 1: to make a second record. The second record is different

1536
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: because their originals, and the originals are better than the

1537
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 1: covers and there they How do you end up writing

1538
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: songs all of a sudden? Well, you know, and it's

1539
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: not all of a sudden. It's just that you know

1540
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: somebody up there likes me, you understand, so you know

1541
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: basically you know it when you when you when you

1542
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 1: open a door, you know, a smart thing to do

1543
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,759
Speaker 1: is to go in and realize what where came from

1544
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, so when that door opened up, you know,

1545
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: and we're a bunch of young, young, young guys. You

1546
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: know that I just had a multimillion whatever you want

1547
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: to call itself. He said, you know what, we're going

1548
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: to kind of tell you what we want to do now.

1549
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: This is what we want to do, big shots. Okay,

1550
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: let's be specific. I've been lonely too. Low is a

1551
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: monster that I've gotten into more in the twenty one

1552
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: century than the twentieth century. There's a lot of stuff

1553
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: from that era that's dated. Of course, this is not dated.

1554
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: How did you write such a good song so early

1555
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: in your writing career? Well, you know, uh, I mean

1556
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: there's reasons, you know behind the songs. You know, there's

1557
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: there's always reasons which I find, like, you know, the

1558
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: the audience is out there really like to hear. But

1559
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, we we have in that case, amuse. You know,

1560
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: there was this young lady came into my life and uh,

1561
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, uh, I wrote all those songs about that

1562
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: relationship until we got to how can I be sure

1563
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 1: where I wasn't sure that I in the right move. Uh.

1564
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 1: You're inspired by by people, by events, you know, and

1565
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: and and so you know how you know, you know,

1566
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say except for you know,

1567
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, let's even go to the next record

1568
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: where you really, you know, become a monster. So are

1569
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: you saying that all these songs like a girl like you?

1570
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: And how can I be sure? And you Better Run

1571
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: and Grooving are all about this woman? No, your Better

1572
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: Run was about a different woman who drove me crazy.

1573
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: This was all yes, yes, yes, yes, positive, but you

1574
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: know what I say on my show, but sometimes things

1575
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: are not so beautiful, and that's your Better Run. And

1576
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: Pat Benattar of course, had the same same same. How

1577
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: did you become aware of that Pat Bennettar version when

1578
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: you first heard it? Or did they reach out before?

1579
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: I think they reach out before, because you know there

1580
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: there is a publishing license and all that and stuff

1581
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: that they have to do is so they content. I

1582
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: contacted our attorneys and people said and I said, yeah, man,

1583
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: oh wow, she's good. Let's let's do it. She is

1584
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: really good. She's very good, and she did a great

1585
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: job of her husband. They really did a good job. Absolutely.

1586
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 1: It was actually bigger than your version terms of succe. Well,

1587
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: what else is new? What else is new tell us

1588
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: more about grooving well grooving, you know, I mean, you

1589
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: know this is this is this is a thing of

1590
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 1: perfect example of what I was alluding to in the

1591
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: beginning about the different answers. You know, over the years,

1592
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: you you you kind of create your story because you know, uh,

1593
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Johnson Bash has got some great stories. You know,

1594
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: I I can I divest for one one one minute

1595
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: with John. John goes on stage and says, when I

1596
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: was a boy, you know, my parents used to send

1597
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: me to camp and uh I got involved with these

1598
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: twins and he picks up his gutarigos, did you ever

1599
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 1: have to make up your mind? You know? Now did

1600
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: that really happen? I guess? So? New York is a

1601
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: bastion of Latin music, you know, Uh, Latin music was

1602
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: present when I was at the Royally Hotel that they

1603
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: used to come up and apply a sextet, all these

1604
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: Latin bands and that's kind of I heard it, man.

1605
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: And and not only that, but they were good bands,

1606
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we we would go to a show,

1607
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, basically after that and they would be a

1608
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 1: trio there or quartet. When you go to a Latin show,

1609
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: it's a freaking orchestra, man, and these guys are popping. Well.

1610
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 1: I had a lot of Latin friends in the community

1611
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: and and and you know, I just said, wow, you know,

1612
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: let's how about we try something like this, you know,

1613
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: how about we try something like this? And then there's

1614
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: a story as far as the lyric and that content,

1615
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: which you know, this is evolved over the years. I

1616
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: don't know that this is what actually happened, but I

1617
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: was working on Friday and Saturday nights. The only time

1618
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: I could be with my loved one was Sunday afternoon,

1619
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there was no Friday and Saturday.

1620
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 1: And I've turned that into a whole stick on stage.

1621
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: You know, I say, you know how many women like that?

1622
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: And none, you know, blah blah blah blah. But anyway,

1623
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: it was an inspiration basically because that's the only time

1624
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: we had off, so to speak, was Sunday afternoon. You know,

1625
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: people go to the park and bring the conga's out

1626
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: and all that, you know, and that's grooving. Okay. I

1627
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: gotta ask, how did it end with that girl and

1628
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: where is she today? Well, unfortunately, you know, the the

1629
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 1: end of the story is never as good as the

1630
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: beginning in the middle right now, she married a friend

1631
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: of mine, and and that we did. We didn't marry,

1632
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: as I say, I thought I thought I had a

1633
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: I thought I was just enamored, you know. And and

1634
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: and that's that's why she was there, you know. And

1635
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,560
Speaker 1: I really believe that there's a you know, uh, a

1636
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: famous musical erato that you know, I learned the word

1637
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: from my crossword puzzle days and adam use simple as that.

1638
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: This this was an inspiration, you know. And and Eddie,

1639
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, and he was there. I mean Eddie, you know,

1640
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 1: he knew what I was talking about, and you know

1641
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: what we were talking about, and he did a great

1642
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: job of you know, putting that story together. You know,

1643
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: it was better that he, you know, wrote those things

1644
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 1: with me, because you know, I get a little bit

1645
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: too serious sometimes, you know what I'm saying. And he

1646
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: was kind of like a flowery you know, you know,

1647
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: paint this lovely picture on here. Well, would you sit

1648
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: down like they do in Nashville and say, we're making

1649
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: an album, we need songs. How did you actually write

1650
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: the song? No, that didn't happen, you know, that didn't happen.

1651
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: You know, as I say, you know, I I really

1652
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 1: my my work ethic was a lot different from Eddie's.

1653
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: So I would bring the song, you know, bring the

1654
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 1: songbury the title, and bring the you know, the music,

1655
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: the melody. You know. Basically, this is what this story

1656
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: is about. Can can can you help me out? Can

1657
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: you right over here? You know? And right and then

1658
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: you know, literally uh uh we get it together, you know,

1659
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: but we never we never really wrote together like that,

1660
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, like the togetherness thing in the beginning when

1661
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: we were in the studio. Uh and and it was

1662
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of like a new world, you know. We we

1663
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 1: we tried to basically collaborate and to you know, have

1664
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,719
Speaker 1: everybody's input put in, you know, but it didn't work

1665
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 1: like that because you know, that's one of the difficult

1666
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 1: things about production inside of a group. You know, somebody

1667
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: has to make a decision to say the word no,

1668
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and and that's tough when

1669
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: it's a so called equal member of the royalty situation,

1670
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: because no, I don't want to use that song. No,

1671
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't think you should play it like that. Someone

1672
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 1: has to be that that that director, you know, and basically,

1673
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, a reef personality was not like you know,

1674
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: he was a gentle guy, gentleman, you know, so you

1675
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,600
Speaker 1: know it would come to me and some cases me

1676
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: and him, but I'd always blame it on him. I

1677
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 1: can't use that. I can't do that. But that's that's

1678
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: how it was. I mean, I would bring the seed

1679
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: in and you know, uh, he unfortunately did did his work.

1680
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: Ethic was was not the same. You know, he didn't

1681
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: he didn't really feel like you know, we had an

1682
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: instance one time where prior to Jesus Christ Superstar, uh,

1683
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,600
Speaker 1: a fellow from the from the Broadway world said, you

1684
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: know what, we need a rock musical. Would you guys

1685
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: be interested in writing a rock musical? And I said,

1686
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, are you kidding me? We'll be the first,

1687
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: whether we flop or not, the first, the first, you

1688
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: always remember the first. And you know, again I would

1689
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: get myself in trouble. Edie said, why we don't work

1690
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 1: hard enough? You're gonna you want to work harder. I said, don't, don't, don't, don't.

1691
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: Don't you understand you know the encyclopedias, they're gonna the first.

1692
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. See, so it was a different thing.

1693
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,839
Speaker 1: Now in the book you say that after that album,

1694
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: rove an album, you end up in California. You go

1695
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: to Mexico, they start making a record without you. They

1696
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: put out the Greed Sid's album time Piece. Tell me

1697
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: what was really happening there? Yeah, what was really happening? Well,

1698
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: we were in San Diego and I had a fever.

1699
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't feeling well. I had something going on in

1700
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: my body that shouldn't happened. And so um, my road

1701
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: manager and myself we decided, come on, let's take some

1702
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: time off. You know, I don't feel good, you know.

1703
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: And then right around that same period of time, I realized,

1704
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 1: You realize that I'm supporting a war effort here with

1705
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: my taxes. The hell with this, Let's get out of here. Yeah.

1706
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: I went to Mexico. We went to Acapulco. In those days,

1707
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: it was safe to go to Acapulco. You know, you

1708
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: could go in and go out and see what tonejo

1709
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: And uh, really, what happened up north? In the in

1710
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: the in the in the is that Sid? He made

1711
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 1: a mistake? You know. Sid goes, oh my god, what

1712
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: are we gonna do without Felix? So the other guy

1713
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 1: said her, up, what do you think we are chopped liver.

1714
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think, you know? And they revolted, see,

1715
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: and they called up a ref. Atlantic said, we're going

1716
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: in without him. So anyway, unfortunately, nothing happened in the student.

1717
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: So Atlantic says, how about we doing greatest hits? Sounds

1718
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: like a good idea. I was coming back, I was

1719
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 1: doing right, you know. I was just you know, you know,

1720
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: just kind of like feeling my oats a little bit,

1721
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: that's all. How long were you in Mexico? I don't

1722
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: even know, three, not that long, you know, a couple

1723
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: of months probably, you know, we just you know, we

1724
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 1: just did we just kind of, you know, I remember

1725
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: it vividly. I mean, I had so much fun, you know,

1726
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 1: because we were trying to attempting Spanish. You know. So

1727
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: so I was little, I was not that healthy. It

1728
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: was a little well, and we go to the beach

1729
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: and I'd say to my road guy Andy, I said,

1730
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: so what happened down He says, well, I don't know.

1731
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: I think I think I got a connection, but I'm

1732
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: not sure whether we're buying it from them or they're

1733
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 1: buying there from us. Okay, you mentioned earlier and also

1734
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: in the book there's a lot about the Swami. Yeah,

1735
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 1: expian upon that because most people don't know that well,

1736
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, the the interesting thing in those days

1737
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: again we go back to the fact that the Beatles

1738
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: were this light that kept turning people onto different things.

1739
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: One of the things that we're turning us onto was

1740
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: was the yoga was the spiritual world. You know, I

1741
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: really didn't need to be turned onto the spiritual world

1742
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: because I came from a very spiritual family. I mean,

1743
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: my mom, you know, the rest our soul was was

1744
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: very very religious human being, and so it was always

1745
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: around us. Someone gave me a book, Uh, it was

1746
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: called Autobiography of a Yoga Yogi by this Paramahansa Yoganda

1747
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: and and and and when I read the book. When

1748
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 1: I started reading the book, it's the same thing as

1749
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 1: when I heard Alan Freed, It's the same things when

1750
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I heard the organ player. I just got immersed in

1751
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: this world that in in those days and and this

1752
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: is not that long ago. I mean in terms, it

1753
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: was in the in the twentieth century, in in in

1754
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 1: India that a monk would go through in their lives.

1755
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: Their lives are totally different from ours. I mean, you know,

1756
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: they have this thing called sanyas, which is a you know,

1757
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 1: you decide or you're decided by your cast or I

1758
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: don't know. In some cases, I'm sure it's not just

1759
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 1: cast that you should be a monkey, should be a priest.

1760
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 1: So what they do is they they give up everything.

1761
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 1: They give up their names, they give up their wealth,

1762
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 1: they give up anything that they may have. They're even

1763
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 1: not supposed to have a wife or anything like that.

1764
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 1: In the beginning, they're supposed to put out a yellow

1765
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 1: or orange robe and go out into the you know

1766
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 1: world with a bowl. And in those days, the the

1767
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, the the people would see them, you know,

1768
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 1: person in a robe. They divide him in the house

1769
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 1: and they give him food, they give them rest, they

1770
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: give him and what what they would ask in return.

1771
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 1: It's called SATs on readings. At the end of the meal,

1772
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: I want to hear your wisdom. So you know, when

1773
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 1: somebody was you know, chibe, because I had nothing to say.

1774
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,839
Speaker 1: But if somebody was real, you know, you're very fortunate

1775
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: because you brought a holy man into your house, and

1776
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: you know there's a blessing that goes with that, and

1777
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 1: there's certainly a lot of wisdom that goes, So I'm

1778
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: reading about this well and I I said, wow, look whoa hello,

1779
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 1: you know. And at the end of the book there's

1780
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,839
Speaker 1: a sentence that says, if you want a teacher Guru,

1781
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 1: ask and you shall receive. And this is where the

1782
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: story gets really interested in again. This is in the book.

1783
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: This gentleman by the name is Steve Paul had this

1784
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: place in New York called the Scene. And the Scene

1785
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: was a place where um a lot of people when

1786
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: Jimmie Hendrix went there, and Tiny Tim was a major

1787
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: staple there, and jose Feliciano was. It was a really

1788
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: cool place, but it was small, and every once in

1789
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 1: a while Steve would, you know, run into some financial difficulties.

1790
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 1: He ended up managing the Winter's brothers, John and Edgar,

1791
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, and uh he would call us up and say,

1792
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: come on, you guys, come down and do a free

1793
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 1: bon me man I need to you know. And of course,

1794
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, Velvet Underground used to play there, you know. Uh,

1795
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: so he's doing this television show, you know, uh, pilot

1796
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: for w N E W. And he said, would you

1797
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 1: guys come down and you know, be part of the show.

1798
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: He called up, said, you know and of course, why not.

1799
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 1: I walk in the door, you know, and I got

1800
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 1: my entourage with me, big stars, whatever, and I see

1801
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 1: a guru sitting on the floor with a circle around him.

1802
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 1: I said, okay, sure that started it. I just said

1803
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: to my roadmance and said hold this, I will be

1804
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: right back. And I got online to meet him, and

1805
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: I met him, you know, and and it was a major, major,

1806
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 1: major experience, you know. And I have this again in

1807
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: the book because this is this is what I wanted

1808
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: to write about instead of the litigation and all that stuff.

1809
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 1: You know. So how extensive did you get into it

1810
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 1: and what did you ultimately learn from the Guru? Well,

1811
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, I don't get in too many things. Like

1812
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: when I see a pool, I don't I don't just

1813
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: put my foot in it. I'm one of these guys.

1814
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:19,679
Speaker 1: I dive right in, you know what I mean. I'm there.

1815
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 1: I got very involved. I spent a good amount of

1816
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: my life. You know. The the interesting part is why

1817
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: you go there in the beginning, you know, UM. I

1818
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: had a number of reasons that UM brought me to him,

1819
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: you know. Uh be first of all, you know, I

1820
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: lost my mom, you know, when when I was thirteen

1821
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't really figure that out, you know. And and

1822
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, you go to the rabbi, go to the priest,

1823
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 1: you know something. Can anybody help me out of here? Man?

1824
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: You know, I need a little help. I needed somebody

1825
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 1: to how come this happened to a very spiritual lady.

1826
01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 1: And I say as a joke, but my dad he

1827
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 1: went to church when it was reigning because it was

1828
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: what was dry inside, you know. So but I couldn't

1829
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: compute that, you know that. So I needed I needed

1830
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: some spiritual guidance, you know, some Can you tell me

1831
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 1: what this is all about? Man? Because I'm I'm you know,

1832
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 1: and and then you know you you you also you've

1833
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: got to be careful, you know, with with with with

1834
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: the drugs that are out there. You know, you could

1835
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: you could really lose your your brain, you know, and

1836
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,679
Speaker 1: and and and all this is all around us of course,

1837
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: because I remember one time we went to California, we

1838
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: met the Smothers brothers. You know, we almost didn't return alive.

1839
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: You know, I mean these guys out in California that

1840
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 1: that's a whole different world of you know, funning games,

1841
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, going out there, you know, and and and

1842
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: average white band. The drummer didn't even get back he

1843
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: did the first trip out there. He overdoes so I

1844
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:57,680
Speaker 1: need I I said, no, I I wasn't brought up

1845
01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: by this, you know what I mean? And then there's

1846
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: a third thing, you know, basically, which is you know

1847
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 1: again from my family. You know families, you know, they

1848
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: used to really influence their kids. You know what I mean.

1849
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: They used to. Well they still do, but I mean

1850
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: in a positive way. My dad said, just I'll tell

1851
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 1: you why you want to be a musician. I'll tell

1852
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: you what. But you see in front of my office here,

1853
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: I got that sign I'm a doctor or a dentist

1854
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:22,679
Speaker 1: until I resigned. You better keep having hit records, dude,

1855
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 1: because as soon as you stop, you gone, you out

1856
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 1: of here? And boy, was that right? You don't make

1857
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: a couple of hit record for a record company? Did

1858
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 1: I did? I do? I know? You? You You know, weren't

1859
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 1: you that? Uh? And you know when that comes and

1860
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 1: you said, like, oh my god, I mean this is right, man.

1861
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: You know what? You gotta keep doing this, don't you? Oh? Yeah,

1862
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: you know you don't think about that when you're you know,

1863
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 1: when you first meet her, you know what I mean?

1864
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 1: First meet her, you say like, wow, this is gonna

1865
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 1: be and then you said like wait a minute. Anyway,

1866
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: it was it was again, this is all in the book.

1867
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 1: I kind of had, like, you know, a rude awakening

1868
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: to the reality of the world. You know, people like

1869
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 1: Sam and Dave, people like that. At the label, you know,

1870
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: there's an a k come up and come here. Let

1871
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: me talk to you. Bro. Don't don't you understand me?

1872
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 1: You you you gotta stop smiling. Man, this ain't a

1873
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: game out here. I oh, we always not. Yeah, wake

1874
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 1: up and I woke up. Let's go a little bit

1875
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 1: deeper than the catalog. Tell us the story and people

1876
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: gotta be free. O. Well, this story, you know, is

1877
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 1: really because of Bobby Kennedy. You know, I was working, uh,

1878
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 1: we were working for his campaign. I was very very

1879
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 1: involved with you know, I really wanted to you know,

1880
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 1: we really wanted to change the world in our day.

1881
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 1: You know, we we really gave it our best shot.

1882
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: You know, we we wanted to bring people the exact

1883
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: opposite of where we are right now with this this

1884
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: horror that's going on both within the United States and

1885
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: within Europe and Russia. You know, we didn't want that

1886
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 1: we want to stop. Stop all this peace, love, joy, happiness,

1887
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: the Golden Rule. Come on, you know, the messiahy can

1888
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 1: come until we all have it together. So let let's

1889
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 1: get it together. You know what I'm saying. I mean,

1890
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 1: what what is it? We were really, really really into that.

1891
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: While I was seeing this young lady who was at

1892
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: the assassination of Bobby Kennedy. She was there in Los Angeles,

1893
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 1: and I was, I was, I had a short wave radio,

1894
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,719
Speaker 1: was in Jamaica. I was taking a little hiatus and

1895
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: and and I heard this, and man, it just two

1896
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 1: wow Martin Luther King. Now this man, I've got to

1897
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: say something. I got to do something. And that's how

1898
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:36,600
Speaker 1: people got to be free started. It started as a

1899
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of like a you know, okay, funding games, funding games.

1900
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,680
Speaker 1: I just want to say something, let's do this. And

1901
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 1: it came out of my hands. It came out, you know,

1902
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: and Atlantic said, no, no, you don't want to do this.

1903
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 1: He said, what do you what do you mean? There's

1904
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 1: nothing and there's a Golden Rule. It's just very s No, no,

1905
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 1: you don't want to get involved in anything. Wexler West

1906
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: just so oh my god. I mean, he he was

1907
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 1: something I don't know if you ever had a chance

1908
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 1: to meet him or re view him, but he was

1909
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 1: quite a man. I mean, those those those early record executives.

1910
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,639
Speaker 1: There was something else and he would pop the nitro

1911
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 1: glycer in the middle of an augument. Shut up, listen

1912
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 1: to me. Wait, shut up, you know, because oh boy,

1913
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: great man, great, great people. So how do you convince

1914
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 1: him to put it out? We were in charge, man,

1915
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 1: We we had we had We had a phenomenal contract

1916
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:31,679
Speaker 1: in terms of control. We were the producers. We were

1917
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,799
Speaker 1: where the buck stopped, you know, and and they couldn't

1918
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 1: really overrule us as far as like contractually that's written.

1919
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:41,720
Speaker 1: We had free studio time. Think of that. Yeah, we

1920
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: go in there and camp out, man, and make our product.

1921
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 1: And uh, you know it was it was. It was wonderland.

1922
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 1: It really was, and and and and and then and

1923
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 1: then of course you know, like, so we ruin it.

1924
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 1: That's a good idea, Yeah, let's ruin it. So ultimately

1925
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:01,800
Speaker 1: the hits dry up. Now to what degree is that

1926
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: because you don't have amuse And what does it feel

1927
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 1: like when the hits dry up? Well, you know, it's

1928
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: scary to say the least, you know, because uh, you know,

1929
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 1: you turn around and say, well, how come you know

1930
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: we we won the pennant last year and you know

1931
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 1: we're we're in for the fifth place this year. There's

1932
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 1: there any reason that we can rectify, you know, and

1933
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 1: you try to rectify it, and there's a lot of reasons,

1934
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, summer internal, summer external. You know, the the

1935
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: the owners of the record company has a lot to

1936
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 1: do with what type of priority they're going to give

1937
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:38,679
Speaker 1: you a product. You know, Uh, we were the first

1938
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 1: wide act on Atlantic. We were the first band on Atlantic.

1939
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: We were the first challenge George, that's the wrong word,

1940
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:53,160
Speaker 1: not challenging. First Uh, inclusive group that had anything to

1941
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: do with the British invasion. We were there first. Okay,

1942
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: now we got a wreatha Now okay, we got you know,

1943
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: fill in the blink. Now the priority goes to a

1944
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: different place. Not only that, but the internal strife that

1945
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: was happening, It did not preclude them saying we're gonna

1946
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: put you know, X million dollars into this group because

1947
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: they're really dysfunctional right now. They're they're not they're not

1948
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 1: really doing they're not not firing at all cylinders. So

1949
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:26,480
Speaker 1: when they take that that. You know, that publicity promotional

1950
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: uh fund for on of a better word. You know,

1951
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know what used to happen.

1952
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it still happens. In the record companies,

1953
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 1: you have a meeting every Monday and they decide your fate.

1954
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 1: This record is stopping right now. We're not putting any

1955
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 1: more money in it. Well your records going, man, that's it,

1956
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 1: You're done. We don't know about that. You know, we think,

1957
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, the audience likes this, so they buy it. No, No,

1958
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 1: that's that's very naive. That's not what's happening out there,

1959
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, you know better than everybody

1960
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 1: what it's all about. Now. It's just it's a different world.

1961
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: And I have my own theories about that. Started after Woodstock,

1962
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, when the corporations came in and said, ha,

1963
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 1: there's gold in them there hills. And then that did it,

1964
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 1: you know, that beautiful event changed. You know. Okay, well

1965
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: we'll create a group, why not. You know, we don't

1966
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 1: have to use God's word. We'll just do our own.

1967
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 1: We'll put our you know, famous guys together and get

1968
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 1: an all star team. Sometimes it doesn't work, but anyway.

1969
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 1: So you know, those are part of the transitions that most,

1970
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 1: you know, people in our industry have to face. You know,

1971
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,640
Speaker 1: whether you're a fighter or whether you're entertainer or you're

1972
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 1: a musician, you know you're gonna hit a point where, okay,

1973
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, the young guys they probably it's probably this

1974
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: their their world now, you know, they take it over.

1975
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 1: What should I do? Well, that's where your guru comes in,

1976
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 1: because when I first met him, I told him a

1977
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 1: similar story. All it was about, you know, like they're

1978
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 1: producing hit records in a row rather than you know,

1979
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 1: disappearing from the face of the earth. And and he

1980
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 1: said to me these words that you know, He said,

1981
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 1: how old are you? And I was in my twenties,

1982
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: early twenties pair least, you know. And he said, well,

1983
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 1: you found out about this way before most people who

1984
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: find out that. And I'm using my English instead of his,

1985
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 1: because he would never use my words. But the whole

1986
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: thing is a croc. I don't care if you're a

1987
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 1: lawyer or doctor, you know, you name it. You just

1988
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 1: found out earlier. I said, what do you mean? He said, well,

1989
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 1: that's the world the world. Come with me, come over here,

1990
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 1: joined this team. We don't experience that over here, okay.

1991
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:41,759
Speaker 1: So I was ready for it when the ship started

1992
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,599
Speaker 1: to sink, and when it went down, I was ready

1993
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:48,440
Speaker 1: for it. So it was the decades ensued the swami

1994
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 1: helped you cope or did you say, hey, I I

1995
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 1: still have it, I want I got it, I want

1996
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 1: my chance, I want to have another hit. Well, you

1997
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 1: know that's you can ask some great questions, man, because

1998
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, when you get involved with it with a guru,

1999
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, uh, it's it's really a commitment on to

2000
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 1: two sides, his side and your side. He doesn't just

2001
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 1: say yeah, I sign them up, you know what I mean.

2002
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 1: They take a commitment on that's very very very very

2003
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:20,720
Speaker 1: very very deep. It's eternal. They're kind of responsible for

2004
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,519
Speaker 1: your karma from that point on. That's a big statement.

2005
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 1: And when we on the other side get involved with them,

2006
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 1: we go into a place that you really never leave

2007
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 1: because you know, I pray in Sanskrit and Hindu, I

2008
01:47:43,240 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 1: I know the language. You know, I my whole life.

2009
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 1: You know. His style is is to just purify my

2010
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 1: my mind and my body as much as I can,

2011
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, and still be part of the world. You know,

2012
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 1: and and and so it's it's me. That's what he made.

2013
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 1: You know. There there's there's a theory. I don't know

2014
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 1: if it's correct in terms of numbers, but every twelve years,

2015
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 1: every cell in your body changes, it's reborn, it's regrown.

2016
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: The idea is to be with the Guru for twelve years,

2017
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 1: every cell of your body has been infected in with

2018
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, his grace, whatever you want to call it.

2019
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 1: So your whole body is like I'm a yogi. I'm

2020
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:31,559
Speaker 1: a yogi, you know, I mean, you know, it's really interesting.

2021
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 1: I mean I could go on for hours about it,

2022
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 1: but you know this is who I am. So you

2023
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 1: know he he prepared us, you know, like for example,

2024
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: like your physical body. You know, I'm close to eight,

2025
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, and and I learned. You know what, Man,

2026
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 1: if you if you take care of your body and

2027
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:51,679
Speaker 1: you take care of your mind, I can still sing,

2028
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, I can still swim, man, I can still walk,

2029
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 1: I can still you know, thank you, Because that's what

2030
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 1: it's about. If do the exercises mentally physically, keep your

2031
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna be okay. But if you don't, chances are

2032
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 1: you you know, the genetics are going to take over

2033
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,680
Speaker 1: your d n A and your RNA and and you're

2034
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna start hurting man and in later life. So

2035
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, I owe a lot to that that education. Okay,

2036
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 1: going back to the mundane mundane from the ethereal, how

2037
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:27,839
Speaker 1: did you hook up with Laura Nero? And he really like, well, okay,

2038
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 1: everybody's familiar with the name David Geffen. Of course, David

2039
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 1: Geffen introduced me to her. And what happened basically is,

2040
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 1: let's start from the beginning. How did you know David Geff? Well,

2041
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 1: David Giff, I knew you were gonna act that that's

2042
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:44,800
Speaker 1: so cool. David Geffer was part of an agency called

2043
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:48,640
Speaker 1: I think it was G A C. And you know,

2044
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 1: he invited he wanted to sign the Rascals to his agency.

2045
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 1: We were with a different agency with ABC, so he

2046
01:49:58,040 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 1: got to touch with me and he invited me to

2047
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 1: his this and that's when I realized that I was

2048
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 1: dealing with a business genius, because before I walked out

2049
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 1: of the room, he had me completely convinced that I

2050
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: should be we should be with his agency. And then

2051
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:21,920
Speaker 1: he left a week later, so I realized, Wow, this

2052
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 1: guy just did you switch? I switched but he was gone.

2053
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:29,639
Speaker 1: See he was so good. Obviously, you know, you don't

2054
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 1: get to that state, you know, in the world because

2055
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 1: you know somebody you know unless you inherit it. He's

2056
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 1: smart guy, man, really smart. But I mean I he said,

2057
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 1: how would you like to meet the most difficult person

2058
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:46,680
Speaker 1: you've ever met? I said, wow, what do you mean?

2059
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 1: He says, well, I managed Laura Nero and she needs

2060
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:53,559
Speaker 1: a producer. She really likes your music. Would you be interested?

2061
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:58,680
Speaker 1: I love to produce? I said, of course, yes, a

2062
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 1: little did I know is gonna fall in love from

2063
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:04,719
Speaker 1: my head to my toe with one of the most

2064
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: charming you know in eccentric talented human beings on earth? What? What?

2065
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 1: What a gift? That was? So? What was it like

2066
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 1: working with it? What was she like? She's a bronx girl,

2067
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean she would she

2068
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 1: would have you know, she would. She would dangle Daniel

2069
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:25,679
Speaker 1: a cigarette out of her mouth and if she didn't

2070
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:29,560
Speaker 1: like what you said, she'd hit you. She was fantastic,

2071
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I've said it so many times.

2072
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:35,759
Speaker 1: I have never met a purer artist in my life.

2073
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 1: You know, she could care less about sales. She could

2074
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:44,720
Speaker 1: care less about publicity. She wanted what she heard, what

2075
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:48,600
Speaker 1: she envisioned. I hear it like this, I want to

2076
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 1: record it like this. And that's that's really the rub here.

2077
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 1: That's the interesting part of this is because you know,

2078
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 1: there's certain rules unwritten that you know, the radio stations

2079
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 1: are not going to play this song if you do this,

2080
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:05,720
Speaker 1: don't stop and go, you know, especially in the A M. Days,

2081
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 1: and you know, don't change keys like that, don't don't

2082
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 1: go like this a mempic, you know. But she did

2083
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 1: all that, you know, and you know, Clive and the

2084
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 1: people at the labels say what are you doing? You

2085
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: can't do this, and and she just that's what I hear.

2086
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 1: So Fifth Dimension, Blood, Sweat and Tears, the Three Dog Night.

2087
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 1: They say, okay, we're gonna take out all that, and

2088
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: we got number one record, you know, and they did.

2089
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:37,760
Speaker 1: They had number one after number one with her songs,

2090
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 1: because songs were brilliant, absolutely genius. So, you know, I

2091
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 1: really don't know what else he canna say. But I

2092
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 1: never met anybody like that. I never will meet anybody

2093
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:49,320
Speaker 1: like that. Were you around when she split from Geffen? Yeah,

2094
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 1: what was that like? Well, you know, that's an interesting story.

2095
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:55,040
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I mean, you have to be

2096
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: really careful when you talk about like this. These cult

2097
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 1: people like Laura and he In Monkeys, their audience is

2098
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:10,080
Speaker 1: very sensitive, very sensitive. You can't say anything negative. But

2099
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:13,080
Speaker 1: I just I'll preface it by saying like this, if

2100
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna screw me and make me a millionaire at

2101
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:20,719
Speaker 1: the same time, I may not be too angry. Okay,

2102
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:23,760
Speaker 1: that puts a bowl on it. Yes, let's move back

2103
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 1: to you. So in the time you have left somewhere

2104
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 1: between a minute and twenty five years, anything you want

2105
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 1: to do, anything you need to do, anything you want

2106
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 1: to accomplish. Ah. Yeah, you know I recently, you know

2107
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 1: that a symphony with my music that I loved, you know,

2108
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean that that was fun. And I'd like to

2109
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,240
Speaker 1: crack into that a little more because I had these

2110
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 1: fantastic charts done, you know, and uh, you know Frankie Valley,

2111
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 1: you know he does them all the time, you know,

2112
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:55,760
Speaker 1: And and and the night that I did and I

2113
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,160
Speaker 1: did it. We have a fantastic symphony here in Nashville.

2114
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 1: You know, this is one of the best. You know,

2115
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 1: the musicians here really want to be here, you know

2116
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 1: what I mean, because they can also work during the

2117
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: day and do sessions stuff. They make good money here.

2118
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:10,559
Speaker 1: I gotta fend Anyway, When I did that, Frankie texted

2119
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:14,400
Speaker 1: me just before the show and he said, You're never

2120
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 1: gonna want to do anything else. Man, I'm paraphrasing, but

2121
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 1: this is it. You're gonna You're gonna freak. And it

2122
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, you know, and all

2123
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,599
Speaker 1: the emotions running through me. I mean, wow, you know,

2124
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 1: this is how I started, you know, with symphonic you know,

2125
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 1: desires or whatever. Wow, it was fun that that's the

2126
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,200
Speaker 1: only world I really really would want to crack that

2127
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:40,120
Speaker 1: I really haven't been able to crack into as much

2128
01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 1: as i'd like to now. Frequently, when you know, when

2129
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 1: people age, they get a victory lap. Jeff Beck had

2130
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,400
Speaker 1: a victory lab. Joni Mitchell now has an an ending

2131
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 1: victory lap. Noth of these people don't deserve it. Do

2132
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 1: you feel ripped off that you haven't quite gotten your

2133
01:54:57,280 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 1: victory lap? As an older statement, who's really made their

2134
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:05,520
Speaker 1: impact upon the musical world, Well, the victory lap in

2135
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,600
Speaker 1: terms of uh, you know, like, uh, there's a there's

2136
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,880
Speaker 1: a lot of different uh you know, stairs to that

2137
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, basically. One of them is of course financial,

2138
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. A second of all is like you know,

2139
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 1: your name in the world or your your position in

2140
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, you know, but but not not not

2141
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 1: like that, you know, I mean, you know, the the

2142
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:30,760
Speaker 1: interesting thing is that about Oh god, I'm trying to

2143
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:37,680
Speaker 1: sink time now. Around two thousand and eighteen, uh pc,

2144
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:40,560
Speaker 1: as they say, pre COVID, you know, right right right

2145
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 1: back when the world was open. I went to Hawaii,

2146
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:48,160
Speaker 1: uh doing one of my fields Cavalery Rascal shows, and

2147
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. And if I'm taking too long

2148
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 1: with these answers, please tell me, because oh no, no,

2149
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 1: this is what I want. Absolutely. Rule of wrestles were

2150
01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 1: immense in Hawaii for a number of reasons. Uh. The

2151
01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 1: simplest way to say is that is that we were

2152
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:04,880
Speaker 1: the closest thing they could get to R and B

2153
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. I don't know if people know,

2154
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 1: but you know, in Hawaii there's a lot of reasons,

2155
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, we were the closest thing. So these

2156
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,600
Speaker 1: DJs that were out there, and these people, Tom Moffatt

2157
01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 1: was his name, and this gentleman named the Beard made

2158
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 1: us beatles. They adored us and I said, this is great.

2159
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:27,920
Speaker 1: Let's help with the rest of the world. Let's just

2160
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:32,160
Speaker 1: be famous here, you know, because this is this is nice. Well,

2161
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 1: one of the things that we did in those days is, uh,

2162
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 1: we were we were invited to go to the other islands,

2163
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 1: the Outer Islands. Now, the problem was that in the

2164
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 1: Outer Islands there were no stages, there were no theaters.

2165
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean, these people were doing sugarcane and pineapple and

2166
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 1: just small little things. So okay, well we're the free concerts.

2167
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna invite all all of the you know, the

2168
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 1: the Hawaiians that want to come and the people who

2169
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 1: lived there, and uh, we're gonna do it free in

2170
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 1: and just set us up in the park. Okay, now

2171
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 1: we turn the clock back, I mean forward what sixty

2172
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:13,560
Speaker 1: years now, people who are now established elderly. Is one

2173
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: case as followed as a candy factory. It makes that

2174
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 1: famous macadamia candy. They come to the show and they said,

2175
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:25,440
Speaker 1: when I was sixteen, I'll never forget you guys, and

2176
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:28,440
Speaker 1: here you are. And I said, yeah, he says, let

2177
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: me ask you, is there any way you could bring

2178
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 1: the guys together one more time, one more time? And

2179
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, at some point in life,

2180
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 1: you gotta start put the axe and the hatchet and

2181
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 1: arrows down. You gotta say, hey, you know what, man,

2182
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 1: why not? Why don't we do three or four shows?

2183
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 1: We do Los Angeles, we do New York, we do Chicago,

2184
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 1: and we do MAUI. Oh wow, And then we go home.

2185
01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 1: You know what is it? Three to five shows? You know,

2186
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:05,240
Speaker 1: say goodbye to our friends, say goodbye to our fans.

2187
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 1: So I go back home. I called up, you know,

2188
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 1: I call a Bobby, my manager. I said, what do

2189
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 1: you think? And he said, look, you know, I thought

2190
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 1: we weren't allowed to say that word around here? What

2191
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:23,240
Speaker 1: word rascals? I said, yeah, well you're you're right here.

2192
01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to say that word around I understand,

2193
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, but what do you think? He said, Look,

2194
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:33,840
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Get on the phone, call the guys,

2195
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 1: see what happens. Well, I'm still in court because I

2196
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 1: called up Eddie. I said, Eddie, what what do you think? Man?

2197
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:47,440
Speaker 1: I scared the hell out of him. You know, yeah,

2198
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:48,800
Speaker 1: what do you want? Man? I said, well, you know,

2199
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 1: what do you think? Do three or four shows? Go

2200
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:53,760
Speaker 1: out there and just you know, rock and roll or something,

2201
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:56,120
Speaker 1: he says, well, I'm sorry, man, I I gotta commitment,

2202
01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta commitment with Steve Vans, and you

2203
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 1: know I can't do it. So you sure y see you.

2204
01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:06,440
Speaker 1: I remember I called you, and I called Jean Gene. Gene.

2205
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 1: He's ready to go. That's one thing I gotta say

2206
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,440
Speaker 1: about Gene Cornish in those days. I mean, he's unfortunately

2207
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 1: not too well now. He wanted to work. He adored

2208
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:21,400
Speaker 1: the stage. He made a pact with his mom when

2209
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:24,440
Speaker 1: she took him to an early concert in Rochester. That's

2210
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:27,200
Speaker 1: what I want to do. I want to be up there, man.

2211
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 1: And he really wants to be up there. He loves

2212
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 1: it's part of his That's that's that's Gene. He exists

2213
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:38,720
Speaker 1: as no family, no wife, no kids. He's a musician

2214
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 1: and he wants to be on and and and and

2215
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:44,160
Speaker 1: and Dino. You know again, you know I I just

2216
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:46,120
Speaker 1: try to try to put him back into and it

2217
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 1: will come on. Let's go to work, man, let's let's

2218
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:51,240
Speaker 1: let's why, let's let's do and And that was unfortunate,

2219
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:54,520
Speaker 1: that was really unfortunate the way that that turned out,

2220
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 1: because it didn't turn out well. You know, Jane said, yes,

2221
01:59:57,560 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 1: everybody else said no, and so it's it didn't happen,

2222
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, and and and you know, I'm really going,

2223
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, very carefully through the uh tiptoeing through the

2224
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:10,800
Speaker 1: tulips here because I had to be careful. But basically,

2225
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 1: you know what it is is, come on, man, we're

2226
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,640
Speaker 1: almost eighty freaking years old. What the hell are we

2227
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna do? Man, Let's just go out and have some

2228
02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:20,840
Speaker 1: fun and make some money. Oh God forbid, and make

2229
02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:25,800
Speaker 1: some money. Wow, she's wow. It's very disappointing. I mean,

2230
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm so disappointed. But these guys that just you know,

2231
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:32,160
Speaker 1: they don't realize what they have and what they mean

2232
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:36,640
Speaker 1: to people, and how many people really adore the group.

2233
02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:39,200
Speaker 1: I love it. It's part of their it's part of

2234
02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 1: their youth. Well, you've been able to survive both on

2235
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:46,640
Speaker 1: royalties from songwriting and records that are have the other

2236
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:50,520
Speaker 1: guys been able to survive all these years? Yes? And no? Yes,

2237
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:53,320
Speaker 1: me and Eddie was a writer. The other two guys

2238
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:55,600
Speaker 1: not really. You know, they had a tough time. But

2239
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, you also have to pay attention, you know,

2240
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:03,280
Speaker 1: more more than ever today. I mean, like I say,

2241
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, when you get a check don't don't spend

2242
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 1: the whole check, you know what I mean when your

2243
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:11,800
Speaker 1: advisors tell you, you you know, you can't afford that horse. Uh,

2244
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 1: you shouldn't get a rules. You know. If you do it,

2245
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:17,800
Speaker 1: you know at the time, you're gonna be very happy,

2246
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:21,200
Speaker 1: but not for long because tomorrow is right around the corner,

2247
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:23,879
Speaker 1: you know. And so that's basically you gotta pay attention.

2248
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:28,160
Speaker 1: You know, we ad advisors and you gotta listen to

2249
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:30,520
Speaker 1: the advisors. So what are you most proud of at

2250
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:33,160
Speaker 1: this point? Oh, just the fact that I'm still doing it,

2251
02:01:33,200 --> 02:01:36,200
Speaker 1: you know. And you know, I just you know, I

2252
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:38,880
Speaker 1: get a chance to seriously be around people like you,

2253
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, because I remember when we first met, you know,

2254
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,600
Speaker 1: I did that. Yeah, I just really enjoy what I do,

2255
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and it's like anything else.

2256
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:47,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you do not try to tell my kids

2257
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:49,920
Speaker 1: all the time. It's not all you know, flowers and

2258
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:51,320
Speaker 1: all that. But you know, you gotta, you gotta, you

2259
02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:54,120
Speaker 1: gotta deal with it. But if you're doing something that

2260
02:01:54,200 --> 02:01:57,400
Speaker 1: you really love all your life, there's really not too

2261
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:59,760
Speaker 1: much to complain about, you know, I mean, seriously, you

2262
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:03,800
Speaker 1: could complained, but nobody listens. Well, one thing. None of

2263
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:06,160
Speaker 1: us are gonna live forever, but these songs are gonna

2264
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:10,920
Speaker 1: live forever, and that's a very cool thing. And certainly

2265
02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:14,080
Speaker 1: they live forever within me. So Felix taking thanks so

2266
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:16,160
Speaker 1: much for taking the time to speak. Well, I knew

2267
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:18,360
Speaker 1: it was gonna be fun man, and and and I

2268
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:21,400
Speaker 1: really hope you realize how much I'm kind of a

2269
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:24,480
Speaker 1: fan because I listened to you and I really enjoyed

2270
02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 1: meeting you way back then and I did again today.

2271
02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:29,080
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Well, as I say, I have

2272
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:32,560
Speaker 1: a lot more questions. We'll have to do in person sometime,

2273
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:34,080
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't want to burn out the

2274
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:38,160
Speaker 1: audience completely, but thanks again. This was great. I enjoyed

2275
02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:39,960
Speaker 1: every moment of it, and thank you. And I just

2276
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:42,360
Speaker 1: gotta say before it Abby gets mad at me, Felix

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Speaker 1: Cavalry Music dot com. That's where the book is, okay, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And the book comes out one day launch twenty second okay.

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Speaker 1: So people, especially in today's day, where you can buy

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Speaker 1: it online or in your store, it's fully available. It's

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Speaker 1: I'm the audience just have to make that effort. As

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Speaker 1: I say, it's really a whole tale, not just for

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Speaker 1: hardcore Rascal's fans, although everybody from our generation really was.

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Speaker 1: So until next time. This is Bob left sex