WEBVTT - Rick Wilson, Dana Milbank & Justice Allison Riggs

0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.160
<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.240
<v Speaker 1>today's best minds, and Justin Trudeau has a message to

0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the American people that your government has chosen to do

0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.239
<v Speaker 1>this to you, not just the government Donald Trump. We

0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.040
<v Speaker 1>have such a great show for you today. The Washington

0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Posts owned Dana Milbank talks us through Trump's trade wars

0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:26.640
<v Speaker 1>and how badly they're going.

0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Emali, I have a real surprise for our listeners. We're

0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.840
<v Speaker 2>going to play a whole segment from our YouTube channel

0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.600
<v Speaker 2>where you and the Wicked Projects Rick Wilson react to

0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Trump's address to Congress.

0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Then we'll talk to Justice Alison Riggs about the continued

0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.600
<v Speaker 1>fuckery with the North Carolina Supreme Court denying her her

0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.920
<v Speaker 1>seat on the court. But first the news.

0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:51.519
<v Speaker 2>So, Mollie, one of my favorite moments of hell that

0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I've had to sit through yesterday was watching the Curb

0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Your Enthusiasm theme play while Donald Trump spoke on tariffs

0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.960
<v Speaker 2>at the stocks on Fox News is Ticker and Yeah,

0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:04.479
<v Speaker 2>these tariffs are going great.

0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I was told by Donald Trump twenty seventeen the trade

0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.160
<v Speaker 1>wars were good and easy to win.

0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Remember that I was told by him that any president

0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.320
<v Speaker 2>that was a thousand points in the stock market of

0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:18.639
<v Speaker 2>a day should resign.

0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:19.839
<v Speaker 1>Is he going to resign?

0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Hell?

0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:25.800
<v Speaker 1>No, Trade wars are good and easy to win. Let's

0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:31.040
<v Speaker 1>talk about what's happening right now. Donald Trump really really,

0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.880
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to do these tariffs, and everybody who was

0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a rich business guy who loved him and wanted the

0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.760
<v Speaker 1>tax cut told themselves that he wasn't actually going to

0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.679
<v Speaker 1>do it. This is this cognitive dissonance of trump Ism, right, So,

0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.400
<v Speaker 1>this is this idea that Trump says, I'm going to

0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.120
<v Speaker 1>be your retribution. People say, yeah, but he means that

0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.800
<v Speaker 1>metaphysically and not literally. He means that technically but not

0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.880
<v Speaker 1>remember that whole thing that reporter uote unquote from Pittsburgh

0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Gazette Selena zto take him seriously but not literally literally

0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:12.520
<v Speaker 1>but not technically, technologically but not faustianly. Well, he's gonna

0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.640
<v Speaker 1>do it. So all of you wealthy people who voted

0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.360
<v Speaker 1>for Trump because of the stock market, the stock market

0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.760
<v Speaker 1>would like a word. He's opposed a swath of tariffs

0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:27.560
<v Speaker 1>because remember, he doesn't know how tariffs work on Canada, Mexico, China,

0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.760
<v Speaker 1>sparking You'll be shocked to hear retaliation because what happens

0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.280
<v Speaker 1>in trade wars is that a war happens. So Beijing

0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.800
<v Speaker 1>has sent stocks lower as there's fear of a trade

0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:43.400
<v Speaker 1>war because markets hate instability. And Donald Trump is presidenting

0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.680
<v Speaker 1>very unstably, so he had had these tariffs twenty five

0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.680
<v Speaker 1>percent on Canada Mexico. You'll remember there are pieces of

0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.000
<v Speaker 1>equipment like car parts that go back and forth between

0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Canada and Mexico five times. So will they be tariffed

0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.000
<v Speaker 1>in and now will they be tariffed once? Twice, three times.

0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.200
<v Speaker 1>There's all sorts of like minutia that can be wildly

0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.959
<v Speaker 1>expensive and kill small businesses. They're also imposing an extra

0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.000
<v Speaker 1>ten percent. This is a white house tariff on Chinese

0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:18.519
<v Speaker 1>imports on top of a ten percent levy imposed last month,

0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.040
<v Speaker 1>so that all get to twenty percent. Trump is accused

0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.840
<v Speaker 1>of the three countries, by the way their crimes, are

0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:29.360
<v Speaker 1>failing to clamp down on the trafficking of fentanol. Almost

0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:34.080
<v Speaker 1>no fentinyl right the Canada. Fentanyl it's pretty tenuous.

0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's enough weight that a child could lift it

0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:37.520
<v Speaker 2>a bench press it, right.

0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.400
<v Speaker 1>And also, and I think this is a really important

0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.960
<v Speaker 1>thing to remember. Mexico gets most of its weapons. I

0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:46.560
<v Speaker 1>know you're going to be shocked to hear this, but

0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what country sends most of its weapons to Mexico?

0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.480
<v Speaker 3>The country that makes all the weapons.

0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know where that is.

0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.200
<v Speaker 3>I think it's called America.

0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like eighty percent of the weapons are made

0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.240
<v Speaker 1>by Rick Wilson, but the other two twenty percent made

0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.800
<v Speaker 1>by other people in America.

0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, do we have to remind the listeners of the

0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.800
<v Speaker 2>time you and I had to stop taping with him

0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.800
<v Speaker 2>because he was filing one of his weapons.

0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Jesus, I was like, what are you doing, Rereck, He's

0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:14.840
<v Speaker 1>like the silencer.

0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Do we have to remind listeners that this has happened

0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:17.760
<v Speaker 3>more than once.

0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's got a real weapon problem. So Mexico they

0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.680
<v Speaker 1>have stuff on us too, is what I'm saying. Claudia

0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.440
<v Speaker 1>schean Baum said on Tuesday, the government will wait until

0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Sunday We're going to go into a trade war. This

0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.839
<v Speaker 1>is so stupid, This is so stupid. I just want

0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:38.479
<v Speaker 1>to say, this is so stupid. Warren Buffett, who's very

0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.840
<v Speaker 1>heavy in cash right now, do I need to explain

0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.320
<v Speaker 1>who Warren Buffett is?

0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I think people know that he's not particularly the most

0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:47.400
<v Speaker 2>woke economist.

0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.080
<v Speaker 3>He's just considered one of the realists.

0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, he's said He offered a sharp rebuke on the

0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.080
<v Speaker 1>stupid saying a twenty five percent tariff on goods from

0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Mexico and Canada is very stupid. And he said I

0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.720
<v Speaker 1>think he didn't say it's very stupid, but we all

0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.600
<v Speaker 1>know it is very stupid. He told CBS. Woke CBS,

0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.560
<v Speaker 1>this is an active war to some degree. Over time,

0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.520
<v Speaker 1>they are tax on goods. I mean, the truth fairy

0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't pay them. And then what you have to ask

0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.800
<v Speaker 1>that question in economics, and then what well, there's not

0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it. And then what in Trump world? Okay,

0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.760
<v Speaker 1>well Trump plans to create an external revenue service.

0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, that's going to be yeah, existed forever, so BALI.

0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:30.919
<v Speaker 2>In addition to that, Trump is set to whack the

0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.240
<v Speaker 2>US working class with his stork three thousand dollars tax hike.

0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Listen, those rich people need their tax cut, and if

0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:43.760
<v Speaker 1>you and your family have to forego whatever to do it, so,

0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.880
<v Speaker 1>this will be the largest tax increase that they have

0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.080
<v Speaker 1>ever seen. I mean, the idea here is that these

0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.760
<v Speaker 1>tariffs are actually a huge tax hike for the consumers.

0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.200
<v Speaker 3>That is correct.

0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:57.919
<v Speaker 2>And if you have to sell an organ since you

0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.880
<v Speaker 2>refer to that whatever, that's what you're gonna have to

0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:01.160
<v Speaker 2>do to pay those taxes.

0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:06.240
<v Speaker 1>So that's right, organs for everyone. So that'll be fun.

0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.320
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, you know, Trump has a real problem,

0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.719
<v Speaker 1>which is Trump loves to talk about how terrible the

0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.920
<v Speaker 1>border is, but there are not a lot of people

0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.840
<v Speaker 1>trying to come over the border. So now Trump has

0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.880
<v Speaker 1>no one to go to war with because he was

0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:25.000
<v Speaker 1>planning on doing horrible you know, camps and deportation squads,

0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and you know that borders sounding pretty quiet, So that's

0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a real problem.

0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:30.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Somali.

0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.440
<v Speaker 2>One of the other fun things that always is going

0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.680
<v Speaker 2>on in Trump world is them saying something that is

0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.280
<v Speaker 2>a little bit toeing in jd vance. He sat down

0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.320
<v Speaker 2>with Fox News is Sean Hannity, and well, the stupid

0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:44.720
<v Speaker 2>came out.

0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.120
<v Speaker 1>He said that there's a crazy idea in the Democratic

0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Party that if you repeat insane ideas enough, eventually the

0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:55.160
<v Speaker 1>American people are going to believe them because every accusation

0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.400
<v Speaker 1>is really a confession. Right. I have to say this

0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.359
<v Speaker 1>may be part of the interview, but the part that

0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.400
<v Speaker 1>everyone in the world is talking about. Is jd Vance

0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.480
<v Speaker 1>implying that England and France haven't fought any wars recently,

0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:15.040
<v Speaker 1>when in fact, George W. Bush got these poor European

0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:20.800
<v Speaker 1>countries involved in his war against the Access of Evil Iran, Iraq,

0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and North Korea, and they also were involved in beyond

0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the Access of Evil Cuba, Libya, and Syria. Poor Europe

0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.760
<v Speaker 1>was also involved in this. And the phrase, of course,

0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.520
<v Speaker 1>has been attributed to friend of the pod David from

0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I love that. One of the

0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.200
<v Speaker 1>commentators said, isn't that Trump's whole business model? Yes, of

0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.160
<v Speaker 1>course Trump is always sort of work in the reps,

0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.920
<v Speaker 1>coming up with insane ideas and they're trying to sell

0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:55.400
<v Speaker 1>them to his supporters. And now we have a special

0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:59.160
<v Speaker 1>reaction to Trump's address to Congress with the Lincoln Project's

0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.040
<v Speaker 1>own rip that we've pulled from our brand new YouTube channel.

0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.400
<v Speaker 1>You can get cool stuff like this, but only by

0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.320
<v Speaker 1>following us on YouTube by looking for fast Politics with

0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Molly John fast Rick Wilson.

0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.320
<v Speaker 4>Dear God, that took a long fucking time.

0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.920
<v Speaker 1>It was the longest one of those ever. It's not

0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.960
<v Speaker 1>we're not calling it a state of the Union because

0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.520
<v Speaker 1>why aren't we calling it that, because it's it's too

0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:32.760
<v Speaker 1>close to He's only been president for six weeks, so

0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you're not allowed to call it a State of the Union.

0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.079
<v Speaker 4>It's like the Joint Session of Congress.

0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, we'll just call it our crashed economy.

0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, it really is. I don't know if you've

0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.680
<v Speaker 4>heard about these things. It's called tariffs. They're they're his

0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:55.440
<v Speaker 4>favorite word. It's a big, beautiful word. And and they're

0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.520
<v Speaker 4>already doing so great. They're making us so rich, and

0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:00.679
<v Speaker 4>it's insane.

0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Trump hit one hour thirty minutes, making it the longest

0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:12.199
<v Speaker 1>State of the Union address in Joint Address of Congress

0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:19.400
<v Speaker 1>in history, Longer than people who are better orators.

0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.559
<v Speaker 4>You know, here's the thing. It was castro Esque in length,

0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:30.520
<v Speaker 4>it was von Munchausen in content. And I think people

0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.640
<v Speaker 4>are going to walk away from it going the fuck

0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.800
<v Speaker 4>that I just listened to because I look an awful

0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.560
<v Speaker 4>lot of it was like k Tell's Greatest Lies of

0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.200
<v Speaker 4>the nineteen nineties and two thousands. It's like all the

0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.640
<v Speaker 4>culture War stuff, the all the you know there are

0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.120
<v Speaker 4>Social Security recipients were three hundred years old.

0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.000
<v Speaker 1>It's right, a lot of stuff that had been debunked.

0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:57.520
<v Speaker 4>Bucket of bullshit. And look, nobody, nobody walked out of

0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:02.240
<v Speaker 4>that speech tonight. Nobody walked out of that speech tonight

0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.240
<v Speaker 4>and said, Wow, that was a brilliant rhetorical construction. And

0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:10.040
<v Speaker 4>I totally changed my mind about Donald Trump. No, most

0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.880
<v Speaker 4>people watching that speech tonight were thinking, it's the same shit.

0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.840
<v Speaker 4>And by the way, fuck, oh, Joe Biden's not president

0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.079
<v Speaker 4>anymore and hasn't been for a few months now, and

0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:25.240
<v Speaker 4>so you know it's on you now, Chief, You're not

0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, he's up. I think he mentioned Biden. I

0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.560
<v Speaker 4>was initially keeping track of it. I think he talked

0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.480
<v Speaker 4>about Biden six or seven times at least during the speech,

0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:39.960
<v Speaker 4>maybe more, I don't know. But it struck me how

0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.840
<v Speaker 4>weirdly defensive it was. In a lot of places.

0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought that sometimes with his speeches, I've thought, wow,

0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.080
<v Speaker 1>this is really like remember the Fire and Fury speech

0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.320
<v Speaker 1>of twenty sixteen, where I thought, oh, wow, this is

0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:01.320
<v Speaker 1>really is to quote George W. Bush, some weird shites.

0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:01.640
<v Speaker 4>Weird shit.

0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.920
<v Speaker 1>With this, it was like the construction was very showman, right.

0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.400
<v Speaker 1>So you'd have a person and you'd bring them out,

0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:14.480
<v Speaker 1>He'd say this, child, this orchid has childhood cancer. Okay,

0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and had been treated by the way at at that

0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:26.720
<v Speaker 1>famous childhood cancer hospital that doesn't charge you, that takes.

0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.040
<v Speaker 4>Money from the NIH or whatever it.

0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Was, Saint Judes. So I've been Saint Judes will be

0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:37.120
<v Speaker 1>cut under the new Elon Musk efficiency budget, so okay,

0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna work on childhood cancer, but they're cutting

0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:46.560
<v Speaker 1>all the environmental regulations because they have to cut regulation

0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.320
<v Speaker 1>because of capitalism. So here's a So the idea here

0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.280
<v Speaker 1>is that this kid has cancer, but we're going to

0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.280
<v Speaker 1>cut the funding for research for cancer, and we're going

0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.160
<v Speaker 1>to cut the funding for environmental regulations, and we're are

0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.440
<v Speaker 1>going but please look at this kid, because we got him.

0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.840
<v Speaker 1>He's gonna you know. I mean, it just was like

0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.200
<v Speaker 1>there was so many instances of like, this is the

0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:16.200
<v Speaker 1>freest speechiest free speechy speechified freely us.

0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.360
<v Speaker 4>He felt very free after.

0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, But then it was like, but don't look up

0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.560
<v Speaker 1>any of this stuff about what we do when you

0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.359
<v Speaker 1>say stuff we don't like, right, don't.

0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:31.920
<v Speaker 4>Don't don't conceive for a moment that we won't have

0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.080
<v Speaker 4>you thrown out of the chamber if you if you

0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:39.560
<v Speaker 4>act to very don't for a moment speech that he's

0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.640
<v Speaker 4>not naughty, and winking several times to Cash Betel and

0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.640
<v Speaker 4>Pam Bondy of you know you're gonna have you go

0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.960
<v Speaker 4>get him, you know you You can see a lot

0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:54.800
<v Speaker 4>of this entire structure tonight, I think came down to, look,

0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.600
<v Speaker 4>this was not a speech writer speech. This is a

0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.199
<v Speaker 4>Trump speech. He wrote this speech, or or at least

0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.280
<v Speaker 4>told he when mellow in the speech, I don't but

0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.520
<v Speaker 4>let me let me rephrase. I don't think he wrote it.

0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.520
<v Speaker 4>I think he told people what he wanted and and

0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.760
<v Speaker 4>it it was a mess. The whole thing was just

0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:13.240
<v Speaker 4>a mess.

0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.120
<v Speaker 1>But it was very, very.

0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:19.480
<v Speaker 4>Densely packed lies. If lies were like nuclear material, they

0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.800
<v Speaker 4>would have been compressed so densely that they would have

0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:27.800
<v Speaker 4>reached a criticality and exploded. It just it was I mean, look,

0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.599
<v Speaker 4>saying it was Trump's most mendacious speech ever is a

0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.760
<v Speaker 4>high bar. But it was up there.

0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, they're all, I mean, they're all like that the

0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:43.479
<v Speaker 1>thing that I mean, you know, the real democracy, true democracy.

0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there were a lot of like we're gonna,

0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, redefine words, what do they mean? Real nineteen

0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.320
<v Speaker 1>eighty four kind of stuff. I mean that's to be expected.

0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, the guy feels very emboldened. But

0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I what I was thought, what I sort of was

0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.720
<v Speaker 1>surprised by, was he also seemed kind of tired.

0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was not super high energy tonight. He was

0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:13.600
<v Speaker 4>not super high energy. And I think we've talked about

0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.360
<v Speaker 4>this in the past. There is as certain cadence Trump

0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.640
<v Speaker 4>gets when he's reading off the prompter. And we will

0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.880
<v Speaker 4>pass a tax cut that will make millions of Americans

0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.280
<v Speaker 4>so much more money, more money than you've ever seen before.

0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.120
<v Speaker 4>It will be nothing, nothing anyone's ever seen ever because

0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.360
<v Speaker 4>we will make so much, so much money, And it

0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:32.280
<v Speaker 4>just was sort.

0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Of a get sort of bored.

0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.720
<v Speaker 4>I do think even for some of the Republicans in

0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.200
<v Speaker 4>the audience who who were doing what I call the

0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.240
<v Speaker 4>Saddam rule, which is, never be the first guy in

0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.760
<v Speaker 4>the audience to stop clapping, Never be the first guy

0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:50.000
<v Speaker 4>to stopped clapping. They were doing the Saddam rule. But

0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.360
<v Speaker 4>there was also a there were some of the things

0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.080
<v Speaker 4>he was saying that that that no one in that

0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:59.240
<v Speaker 4>audience believe were true. Oh, the markets are doing great,

0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.240
<v Speaker 4>and intro streets are plunging, and everything's going fine. And

0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.640
<v Speaker 4>we've done so much in such a small amount of time.

0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:10.600
<v Speaker 4>That's so good. Any of these went for a town

0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.120
<v Speaker 4>hall meeting, they were buying that ship. Any of these

0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.280
<v Speaker 4>read a newspaper, they weren't buying any of it.

0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, if anyone who looks at the Dow Jones, which

0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.640
<v Speaker 1>is Trump too right, knows that it's it's given back

0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.040
<v Speaker 1>all its gains. So the I think the question really

0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.400
<v Speaker 1>is sort of how long he can keep this kind

0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.160
<v Speaker 1>of I don't know, is it Mussil? I mean, who

0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.720
<v Speaker 1>is the who is the autocrat who says everything is

0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:38.440
<v Speaker 1>it's sunny when it's raining?

0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, who is the I mean like I mean

0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.000
<v Speaker 4>I jokingly said this earlier. A lot of it was

0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.920
<v Speaker 4>sort of Baron von Munchhausen. He was almost testing people

0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.240
<v Speaker 4>to see how many lies they would believe tonight because

0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:54.560
<v Speaker 4>the speech was piled so hot, and my my staff

0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.400
<v Speaker 4>folks were were following it and they're like, you know,

0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.160
<v Speaker 4>we know you wanted us to fact check this, but

0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.120
<v Speaker 4>we're all like one hundred and fifty lies an hour

0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:06.640
<v Speaker 4>in to the seventeen hour speech, and it just it

0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:11.040
<v Speaker 4>just it just struck me as even his own people, Yeah,

0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.360
<v Speaker 4>they're clapping in the room, But the cognitive dissonance is

0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.280
<v Speaker 4>a pretty far gap. In this speech. There was a

0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.600
<v Speaker 4>lot of a lot of I'm the best, time, the greatest.

0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.680
<v Speaker 4>They all expect that from Trump. But there was also

0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.360
<v Speaker 4>a lot of like outright lies, and they knew it

0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.840
<v Speaker 4>and they couldn't. They know they can't sell.

0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.920
<v Speaker 1>A lot of these things, right, No, No, I mean

0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.760
<v Speaker 1>they can't. And quite frankly, you know, I mean what

0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.200
<v Speaker 1>is interesting is that he's sort of like he knows

0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.120
<v Speaker 1>what he's supposed to pretend to care about, right, So

0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:46.680
<v Speaker 1>clean air veterans, right, So as he's cutting these things,

0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.720
<v Speaker 1>he's pretending he cares about them. And I would say

0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.400
<v Speaker 1>that is in a way the most interesting part. Also

0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the kind of showmanship we saw. So we had MTG

0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.560
<v Speaker 1>in a maga hat. This is now her thing. She

0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.680
<v Speaker 1>wears a maga hat. We had the sort of the

0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:09.400
<v Speaker 1>crew of you know, the Trump children, every sort of Melania.

0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had the whole sort of.

0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:13.879
<v Speaker 4>A different color. Tonight.

0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:20.000
<v Speaker 1>She has been tanning with him, or they've been bronzing together.

0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.800
<v Speaker 4>You know. The family that bronzes together stays together, is

0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:23.359
<v Speaker 4>what they said.

0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:28.280
<v Speaker 1>That's right, it's they share a bronzer. They share one bronzer.

0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.600
<v Speaker 4>There, I will now use the tanning bed.

0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't think any of that is occurring naturally.

0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.479
<v Speaker 1>I think that's just all orange powder caked up. And

0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.800
<v Speaker 1>actually one of my kids, who I was watching it

0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.520
<v Speaker 1>was was we were like trying. He was like, maybe

0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:46.480
<v Speaker 1>it is real, And I was like, if your skin

0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.239
<v Speaker 1>in your scalp is one color and your face is

0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.640
<v Speaker 1>radically different than it is not real.

0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.120
<v Speaker 4>That is not real. No, definitely not a real thing.

0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.960
<v Speaker 4>But look, I mean I think I think you saw

0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.359
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the performative as I said, like the

0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.280
<v Speaker 4>Saddam rule, the clapping, the yelling, the you know, the

0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.399
<v Speaker 4>raw rawer. Trump he he's watching. He expects all that.

0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.760
<v Speaker 4>They know he expects all that. But I you know,

0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.679
<v Speaker 4>even Trump was admitting tonight with things like the terrorists, like, oh,

0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:22.480
<v Speaker 4>there'll be some dislocation, there'll be some brief rob. I

0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.560
<v Speaker 4>think those clips are going to come back to bite

0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:29.920
<v Speaker 4>him so hard, because unless, as Howard Lutnik was hitting

0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.400
<v Speaker 4>hitting today, he's going to bail on tomorrow.

0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's possible? I mean, that was some

0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Howard Lutnik is doing some three dimensional chests here we

0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.840
<v Speaker 1>may do it, we may not do it, we might

0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:41.840
<v Speaker 1>not do it at all.

0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, here's the thing. I think Trump doesn't give a

0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.159
<v Speaker 4>shit about public opinion, but I think he cares a

0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.320
<v Speaker 4>lot about what the market does. And the market has

0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.080
<v Speaker 4>been crippling for the last two days. It's been punishing

0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:00.680
<v Speaker 4>him for the last two days, rightly so. And I

0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.439
<v Speaker 4>kind of thought like some of the speech tonight might

0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.560
<v Speaker 4>have been calibrated a bit, like like threw in more

0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:13.000
<v Speaker 4>like raw, raw, optimistic bullshit that you know, you and

0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.480
<v Speaker 4>I both know was crap. It's like things like, oh,

0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.280
<v Speaker 4>so many new car factories are already being built, right?

0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.480
<v Speaker 1>No, I know there was tons of new car factories.

0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:28.120
<v Speaker 1>That was pretty amazing. So I want you to sort

0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.000
<v Speaker 1>of do a second or two on the Democratic pushback.

0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Was it the right stuff that Democrats did? You had

0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.040
<v Speaker 1>a couple of different things, you had Al Green? Yeah,

0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to. I want to remind everyone al Green

0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:45.119
<v Speaker 1>tried to impeach Donald Trump on like I think it

0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was like January thirty first, twenty seventeen, right, so he

0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.480
<v Speaker 1>was remember Nancy was like no, and he was like yes,

0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe February third, he was already doing impeachment,

0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.720
<v Speaker 1>so it's been hot to try for a long time.

0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:07.800
<v Speaker 4>I always have this memory of of MTG and uh

0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.800
<v Speaker 4>and Bobert screaming like a pair of hyaenas at Joe Biden,

0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:17.160
<v Speaker 4>and I'm just like, so, like, if the decorum thing

0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.159
<v Speaker 4>is the thing, then you don't wear a baseball hat

0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.959
<v Speaker 4>on the floor of the house. You don't. You don't

0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.480
<v Speaker 4>get to, you know, sit there as a screamer and

0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.800
<v Speaker 4>a ranter once upon a time and now be sort

0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.840
<v Speaker 4>of the picture of propriety. All those things are.

0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's just pause for a second. What worked? So al

0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:40.639
<v Speaker 1>green didn't really work. People wearing pink didn't really work.

0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:45.800
<v Speaker 1>What worked? I thought the little signs where they they

0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.199
<v Speaker 1>held it up when he was lying yes, And then

0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought.

0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:52.879
<v Speaker 4>I thought that was a really interesting message. But I

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.119
<v Speaker 4>think it actually works. Given some of the polling we're seeing,

0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.879
<v Speaker 4>people do not like that guy. No people are showing

0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 4>happy about it.

0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.960
<v Speaker 1>The nefarious billionaire who models himself on a bond villain

0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.919
<v Speaker 1>is not and is not even from here, is not

0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 1>more popular.

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:15.600
<v Speaker 4>Imagine how imagine a South African bond villain who you know,

0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.640
<v Speaker 4>uses his who.

0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Uses his schest man in the world.

0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:25.280
<v Speaker 4>Super powers to fire weathermen and veterans, suicide counselors, and.

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Take money from children's cancer right. Yeah, so here, So

0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:35.760
<v Speaker 1>the question is I also thought maybe Bernie just looking

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:41.280
<v Speaker 1>on and very displeased was a good I mean, I

0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.720
<v Speaker 1>thought he did well. I mean the question is like

0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.240
<v Speaker 1>do you go? Do you not go? Ultimately it was

0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:48.640
<v Speaker 1>it better just not to go?

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:57.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, my my, I think sitting through the

0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:02.600
<v Speaker 4>show was probably an yeah. And a lot of Trump's

0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.240
<v Speaker 4>speech was built around like, oh, you won't cheer for America, right,

0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.120
<v Speaker 4>A lot of that, yes, you know. So I think

0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 4>I think if I'd been counseling the Democrats, I think

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:18.200
<v Speaker 4>I would have sent a delegation of people. But but

0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, look, I don't think the stunt stuff works anymore.

0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:27.320
<v Speaker 1>So Manu Raju White signs, I mean, Manu Raju, who

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.040
<v Speaker 1>works for CNN, said, I've been in the House chamber

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.320
<v Speaker 1>for speech, you know, for a lot of speeches. Have

0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 1>not seen an opposition party mount of protests like tonight,

0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 1>House and Senate Democratic leaders and I think we couldn't

0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.959
<v Speaker 1>see this because we weren't in it. Didn't join the

0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.239
<v Speaker 1>escort committee for the President. They turned their backs on

0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.439
<v Speaker 1>him when he entered the chamber. They didn't shake his hand,

0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.679
<v Speaker 1>they didn't applaud virtually anything. Several walked out in the

0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 1>middle of the speech, lots of signs in the back

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 1>being held up. DEMN members repeated shots of lies and

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.720
<v Speaker 1>your law lying. A DAMN member, Al Green was exported out.

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.399
<v Speaker 1>DEMN leaders endorsed the no applause strategy, but Jeffries and

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:13.120
<v Speaker 1>his deputies urged members against signs, props and loud outbursts.

0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 4>Well, look, I think turning your back on someone as

0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:21.679
<v Speaker 4>they entered the room is one of the oldest pieces

0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.199
<v Speaker 4>of political symbolism you can engage in in a public forum,

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:27.840
<v Speaker 4>and that is that. I think that was a good move.

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 4>I think it says something, and I think it also

0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:33.240
<v Speaker 4>it may have actually rattled Trump. He was trying to

0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:34.240
<v Speaker 4>work the Democrats.

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:36.919
<v Speaker 1>Do you notice the same thing. Well, I just know

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 1>what it's like to give a speech, and when you

0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:44.399
<v Speaker 1>feel like they're not with you, even if you know

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a friendly group, it gets really rattling. So I wondered,

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.399
<v Speaker 1>and you and it makes more sense now all of

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.160
<v Speaker 1>his stuff where he kept being like, they're not gonna chap,

0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.120
<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna applaud They're not gonna like I kept

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:01.800
<v Speaker 1>wondering why he was so stuck on that, and that

0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:02.919
<v Speaker 1>would make a lot of sense.

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:04.919
<v Speaker 4>I think that. I think I think we've sort of

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 4>I think yeah, and I think that idea of Trump

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 4>in his head of I'm president, They're gonna clap for me,

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 4>no matter what. I deserve it. I own this, I'm

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 4>the boss. I think all of that has a sort

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 4>of for him. Not getting what he wants in that

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:28.439
<v Speaker 4>space is really hurtful to him. He's gonna stew on this.

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 4>He's gonna hate this, he's gonna be mad about it.

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:36.119
<v Speaker 4>He's gonna be thinking to himself, you know, they disrespected me.

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:40.639
<v Speaker 4>I deserve better. I'm gonna punish them, you know. But

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 4>I do think that the best night of the moment

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 4>mess moment of the night was I can't I don't

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:47.520
<v Speaker 4>know which member it was, but as Trump was walking

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 4>down the aisle, someone held up aside and said, this

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 4>is not normal.

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:51.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know who that was.

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 4>And I thought that was really I liked that seeing

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 4>that moment because it really this guy went in there

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:07.119
<v Speaker 4>with no intention of of of unification or communication with

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 4>with the rest of America. It was just about he's

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:12.920
<v Speaker 4>gonna he was gonna go in there and and own

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 4>the Libs, and he was gonna be a clown. He

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 4>was gonna do his thing. And he did and and

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:21.880
<v Speaker 4>and some of it went on so long, like like like,

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 4>this is not normal. Really spoke to me about this

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:24.879
<v Speaker 4>whole event.

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 1>So the woman who did who held up the this

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.359
<v Speaker 1>is not normal sign, is a woman called Melanie Stansbury.

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 1>She is from New Mexico. She is the the ranking

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 1>member on DOGE, which you'll remember the chair of DOGE

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:46.640
<v Speaker 1>is one maga hat wearing Marjorie Taylor Green. So one

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.639
<v Speaker 1>of the things that Stansbury has had to do, when

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 1>I think she's done it actually quite well has she's

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 1>had to sort of be the sane one on that

0:25:56.400 --> 0:26:00.880
<v Speaker 1>committee while still and so I did. I did think

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>that was absolutely the right tone to hit because it

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 1>was like trot, it was not. It was somewhat disrespectful,

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 1>but it was not. It's still. I thought it struck

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>me as more appropriate than a lot of the other stuff.

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I think I think that was That was

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 4>my favorite moment. And look, I think I think that

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 4>the temptation in all this is to overprocess it and

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 4>overthink it, because very few people remember any response to

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.479
<v Speaker 4>a State of the Union or a joint address. Yeah,

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 4>you remember the performance of the of the president, Republican

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 4>or Democrat. And I think Trump's performance was I don't

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.199
<v Speaker 4>think it was a great When Trump has the ability

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 4>to perform at a different level.

0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and this was not that level. But you

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>saw the P. T. Barnum, you saw the showman. But

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the most important thing about this is that we have

0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 1>now lost another hour and a half of our lives

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>watching Donald Trump give a speech. And as I've said

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>to so many of these speeches, I immediately thought to myself,

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>here we go again.

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:18.439
<v Speaker 4>Another Yes, another fucking death march through Donald Trump's weird brain.

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 4>And it was I mean. And by the way, my

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 4>favorite tweet of the night was a scientist who was

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.640
<v Speaker 4>involved in this study. He said, I wish I could

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 4>explain to them that transgenic mice are not transsexual mice.

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 4>But how could you?

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Rick Wilson, transgenet Always, those are not transsexual mice.

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 4>These are transgenic, not transsexual.

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Dana Milbank is a columnist at The Washington Post and

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the author of Fools on the Hill, The hooligans, saboteurs,

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theorists, and duncis who burned down the House. Welcome

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>back to Fast Politics. Your friend, my friend, Datambank.

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 5>Molly, it is always great to be with you, even

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 5>as the world is falling apart.

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Listen, he just as a constituent of mine, because I

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 1>am a member of Congress now, so listen. It does

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.440
<v Speaker 1>seem as if and I don't live in the district

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>of Columbia, so I'm allowed to vote in presidential campaigns, right,

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 1>But it feels like things are quite leak in the

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>federal government.

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 5>Discuss well, Congresswoman, I would be delighted to discuss this

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.199
<v Speaker 5>with you. Things are bleak in the federal government, but

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.439
<v Speaker 5>I think things have taken such a turn here that

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 5>things are now bleak for the country as a whole,

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 5>if not the world. I mean what we're seeing with

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 5>this trade war, and make no mistake, this is the

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 5>biggest trade war we've had in a century. We're about

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 5>to see the consequences. You know, elections have consequences, and yes,

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 5>they've already had tremendous consequences for federal workers that will

0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 5>reverberate through the country in terms of services of America's

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 5>expecting will no longer receive. We've seen the shock through

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 5>the loss of freedom to liberties, but this is where

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 5>Americans are really going to see it most. I mean,

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 5>prices are now going to go up within a matter

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 5>of days. And even if Trump comes to his senses

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 5>and withdraws these actions, it sort of story started us

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 5>on a cycle of protectionism. And in history shows once

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 5>you go down this road, there's almost no way back history.

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Wait, what you bringing up history? Where the United States

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.719
<v Speaker 1>of amnesia? We know nothing, we remember nothing.

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 5>But even people who watch Ferris Bueller know about Smoot Hawley, right.

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Smooth Halley. Well, actually only people will watch Fueler now

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>about Smooth Holly. It does seem like the predictions. You know,

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>we had this widen soft landing economy where everyone was like, yes,

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the economy is good, but voters don't feel it. They

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 1>want cheaper eggs, so they voted for Donald Trump or

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 1>eggs cheaper danam Bank.

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 5>I've been surveying the groceries and markets for you, and

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 5>I can report that no egg prices are up substantially.

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 5>And that's the thing. I mean, you know, and prices

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 5>are up substantially across the board. We've seen various indicators

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 5>and even out today, predictions of yet higher rates of

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 5>inflation increase. We've seen forecasts for economic growth in this

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 5>first in the first quarter which we're currently in, have

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 5>gone from substantially positive to recession and a.

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Half percent up to two and a half percent down.

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 5>That's quite a swing in GDP. And that's you know,

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 5>by definition, that would mean that we are in or

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 5>are entering a recession.

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Is that a woke math?

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 4>Though?

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Could that be woke math?

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 5>There's the Atlanta Fed practicing woke math?

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Is the Atlanta Fed practicing wont math? Because it feels

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>like woke math to may.

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 5>I guess so, And that's why it should be investigated

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 5>by the FCC and possibly by the acting US Attorney

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 5>for the District of Columbia.

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>He's pretty busy. You saw that piece of news that

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>perhaps he was trying to panel a grand jury to

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>go after Chuck for his Bello Coast language. In twenty twenty, Chuck.

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 5>Schuma right the Bello Cooast language, for which he immediately

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 5>clarified going after a couple of other members of Congress

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 5>threatening to go after reporters who break news and expose

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 5>facts in the public domain about Doge.

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's not okay.

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm working on a larger piece about this, but just

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 5>the wholesale fuselage of assaults on freedom of the press.

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 5>I was going to, you know, include them in the

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 5>current column I'm working on. They are just too many.

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 5>I did I need more column inches to keep track

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:41.719
<v Speaker 5>of it. It is just it is just breathaking.

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're in a pretty insane moment.

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 6>We have no more aid to Ukraine, no more USA

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 6>I D no more of a lot of the congressionally

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 6>allocated funds because Trump thinks they're not going the way

0:31:58.480 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 6>they should.

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>What happened now, Like courts have already ruled a lot

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>of courts of rule this is illegal or we're in

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a constitutional crisis. Who stands up for the rule of law?

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>That shouldn't be a trick question, by the way.

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 5>I mean, we're facing a series of slow moving the

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 5>crises here. The Trump administration has been sort of slow

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 5>walking its responses. You know, I don't think we can

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 5>really say that they've flagrantly overtly violated a court order yet.

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it seems to be just a matter of

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 5>time until that's coming you know, a lot of this

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 5>is going to as we saw from the Chief Justice

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 5>just recently, a lot of this is going to make

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 5>its way to the Supreme Court. The administration will almost

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 5>certainly lose on most of these things, but they may

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 5>win on some of them and be able to redefine

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 5>the powers of the executive. But you know, so I

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 5>don't want to minimize constitutional crises. I think what's going

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 5>to happen in the very short term, though, is the

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 5>stuff we've been talking about with the trade war. I mean,

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 5>the government is supposed to shut down in ten days.

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 5>Republicans seem to have no clue as to how to

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 5>keep it functioning, so they're relying on the minority Democrats

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 5>to do it. But they've not given the minority Democrats anything.

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 5>And why would the Democrats just vote to continue government

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 5>funding the way it is, knowing that Donald Trump and

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 5>Elon Musk are just going to spend money on the

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 5>programs they want and kill the funding for all other programs.

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I read the playbook today that the cr it's not

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 1>going to be available until this weekend or next week,

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 1>so it's not like they even have it right.

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 5>Well, no, I mean, you can guess what's in it.

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 5>They have been by definition, we're talking about, you know,

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 5>probably a clean cr as they call it, that continues

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:45.479
<v Speaker 5>the current levels of funding. Democrats have insisted on, and

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 5>rightly so, some sort of assurance that the money that

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 5>co Congress is approving is actually going to be spent

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 5>by the executive branch.

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Crazy talk, Yeah.

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 5>What a crazy idea. And of course the executive would

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 5>probably ignore that language anyway, since he's not shown himself

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 5>to be bound by the laws. But the Congressional Republicans

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 5>are saying, no, we're not even going to put the

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 5>language in there because we like what he's doing. So

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 5>I just I'm having a hard time seeing what the

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 5>incentive is for the Democrats to participate in this charade,

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 5>to give their blessing to this charade. So we may

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 5>be looking at a government shutdown. We're looking at a

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 5>rapidly accelerating the trade war with all kinds of recaliations underway.

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 5>We're looking at an already overheating inflation environment and very

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 5>shaken markets, the prospects for hitting a serious recession now.

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.280
<v Speaker 5>So that's what's happening right now in the short term,

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 5>and then we can all sit back from our shantytowns

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.320
<v Speaker 5>and Hooverville's and watch these constitutional crises unfold.

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Shanty towns and hoover rebels. I'm laughing to keep from

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 1>crying here. So Trump has only been in office for

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:47.720
<v Speaker 1>six weeks.

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 5>Okay, isn't that incredible. I can't remember life before this.

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>This person has done so much to happened in such

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a short period of time. Democrats, on the other hand,

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the Great James Carvill said that he feels the Democrats

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>should just bow out of the public forum and take

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.439
<v Speaker 1>a break, perhaps go to Aspen. Do you think this

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>is something that the constituents who are getting arrested in

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>front of Tesla? Do you think they want a Democratic

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>party that is think tanking and perhaps doing a little scheme.

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 5>No, I don't think that's what they want. But I

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 5>also don't sort of buy into this criticism that the

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 5>Democrats have been silent. I mean, okay, they.

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:27.280
<v Speaker 4>Have no power.

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:29.399
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think they have been either. But I'm

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 1>just I want to talk about the carvel yet another anyway,

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>continue right, So.

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 5>I mean, yes, there's a school of thought that says

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 5>they should be, you know, setting their hair on fire

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.800
<v Speaker 5>over everything. Trump does. I'm kind of inclined to agree

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 5>with that. There are others who say they should be

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 5>picking their battles or I guess maybe going to Aspen.

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 5>I think that's kind of a sideshow, because you know,

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 5>the Democrats are not in control of their own destiny

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 5>right here. They don't have a leader or you know,

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 5>any obvious one, and they won't for a couple of years.

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 5>Their fortunes, the fortune of the party and I think

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 5>of the country are going to rise and fall based

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 5>on how Trump does. And if there is a backlash,

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 5>and I think a very powerful one is already building

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 5>and it's only going to get more powerful as people

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 5>realize that it's actually affecting their lives and their pocketbooks.

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 5>There's going to be a huge backlash, just as there was,

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 5>you know, with the Tea Party in two thousand and

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 5>nine and twenty ten. You know that's where the Democrats

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 5>will find their voice. Yeah, okay, so there, you know

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 5>they managed to hold together a filibuster on trans rights

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 5>in the Senate. Okay, well, that's well great, but that's

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.799
<v Speaker 5>not you know, I don't think that's where the Democrats

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 5>need to be defined. They're going to be defined by

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.839
<v Speaker 5>the backlash to what Trump is is now doing, and

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 5>it is unfortunately worth the country, but perhaps fortunately for

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 5>the opposition, disastrous.

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>For the Democrats. Yeah, are you worried about like democratic

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>forms and institutions aka like our ability to vote?

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:03.360
<v Speaker 5>I am very worried, molly about the weekend of the institutions.

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't think anything like that drastic happens overnight. You know,

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 5>we're going to have an election next year, We're going

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 5>to have an election in three years. But the same

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 5>thing I've been writing about, the attacks on the free press,

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 5>it's not going to disappear overnight, although my employer seems

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 5>to be doing its best to make it do that.

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:24.439
<v Speaker 1>But day now hear the curd.

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 5>Oh, but it's going to take a long time to

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 5>undermine freedoms that have been building up over decades. But

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, of course it's a danger and a threat.

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 5>You know, we don't have to get up and say

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 5>every single action is the end of free expression in America,

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 5>but to know that combined, we are definitely chipping away

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 5>and it's going to take a long time to fix

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 5>and reverse these things.

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, correct, It's funny because it's like we did have

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 1>Trump one blown out. So as much as all of

0:37:54.800 --> 0:38:00.040
<v Speaker 1>this feels unprecedented, it's actually very much. You know, in

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>some ways it rhymes, in some ways, it's a lot worse.

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 1>But the reason why Trump wasn't able to permanently end

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of our norms and institutions was because of

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 1>democratic pushback. Is that correct and talk to me?

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 5>Well, yes, of course it's correct, But you know, I'm

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 5>not sure that it was necessarily know what was happening

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:25.760
<v Speaker 5>in twenty seventeen. All signs indicate that Democrats will finally

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 5>retake the House as they should have last time, and

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 5>that'll be a bullwork. Part of the reason why Trump

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 5>is destroying so many things so quickly is because he

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 5>doesn't have a lot of time. Next year, the midterm

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 5>campaign is in earnest. This is the year when he

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.760
<v Speaker 5>has to get everything done in terms of reconciliation bills

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:49.359
<v Speaker 5>through Congress and also all these extra legal and unconstitutional

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 5>executive actions and orders that he can do at a

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 5>time when he's not getting oversight or scrutiny from Congress.

0:38:56.640 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wonder if we could just spend minute or

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 1>two talking about Elon mush Or as I like to

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 1>think of him, Leon. He is the richest man in

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 1>the world. He is meme. I don't know if you

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 1>know that, but I'm not sure you saw him at Seaback,

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>but he is meme. He is so powerful he no

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>longer needs verbs. What do you make of this? Verbalis

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>South African billionaire who has decided that his newest hobby

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:28.360
<v Speaker 1>is cutting the federal government. And just as a student

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 1>of history, has this ever worked well? Jesse has a

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>fact check. He says that actually, and you know, we

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.799
<v Speaker 1>are very committed to the facts here. Jesse has an

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>important fact check. He technically said, I become meme. Thank you, Jesse. Okay,

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>he become meme. He become booner of the federal government.

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 5>Maybe I missed this during the campaign, but you know,

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 5>I thought the president was coming into reduce prices and

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.879
<v Speaker 5>grow the economy, and instead we have a trade war

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 5>that is increasing prices and trashing the economy. And we

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 5>have the world's wealthiest man running the government, which is

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 5>not at all contemplated during the campaign. But so no,

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:20.480
<v Speaker 5>it was not on my bingo card to have unelected megabillionaire,

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 5>unaccountable to anybody, making decisions that will affect all of

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 5>our lives. I don't think that what Elon Musk is

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:29.959
<v Speaker 5>doing will endure.

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Because it's not constitutional, right, I mean, this is a

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>model will be undone.

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 5>But what he's doing but that will endure, is it's

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 5>just sabotage, pure and simple. He's done the same sort

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 5>of thing that his business to, you know, sort of

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 5>burn things down for creative rebuilding. But the government doesn't

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:49.240
<v Speaker 5>work that way for good reason. It's not a competitive enterprise.

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 5>It's providing services and protecting Americans. It's not a business.

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 5>The damage to the brain drain, the loss morale, turning

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 5>away really a generation of civic minded people who care

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 5>about government service and love their country. That stuff it's

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 5>going to take a long long time, even if we're

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.839
<v Speaker 5>inclined to fix it, to fix it. So that's where

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 5>his damage is. Do I think he's actually ending foreign

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 5>aid for all time? No, of course not. That's going

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 5>to need to be fixed in some way. But he

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 5>sure is destroying our reputation around the world and hamstringing

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 5>our government, and not to mention, making millions of people's

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 5>lives miserable in the short term.

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 1>The most important part is he's doing it for a

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:34.320
<v Speaker 1>tax cut and So who among us would not ruin

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 1>into our federal government to save a couple billion dollars?

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 5>Maybe, but I don't know what Tesla stock is down

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 5>what thirty percent?

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they had the worst month in like five years.

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 5>I wonder how they're going to do now that they

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 5>can't import any of their car parts. I mean, you know,

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 5>we're looking at all automakers are about to take a

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 5>big hit because of this trade war. So yeah, I

0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 5>can't imagine the trade war is good for Elon Musk,

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.240
<v Speaker 5>although he probably won't notice it less than your average

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 5>mom and pop.

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those poor moms and pops. At the state level,

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing governors stand up more. Heally Chanet Mills from Maine,

0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 1>seventy seven year old very Spry did a really excellent

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 1>job of speaking truth to power. Do you think about

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Democrats and should they embrace federalism?

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 5>Well, if by that you mean use the federal system

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 5>to resist what's going on in Washington, well of course

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 5>they should's that is one of the checks and balances

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 5>that you know, that is one of the ways we

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 5>preserve the republic and protect democracy. I mean, you know,

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 5>the courts are one, the free press is one. And

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 5>certainly our federal system is one, and it was used

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 5>quite successfully to counter Biden at every term, and that

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:54.399
<v Speaker 5>was without an actual constitutional crisis. So yeah, by all means,

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean this is the moment for state governors and

0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 5>state attorneys general to lead the fight exactly.

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Data Mailbank, please come back soon.

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 5>Well, if we still have a country, I will be

0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 5>back with you anytime.

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Justice Allison Riggs is a judge on the Supreme Court

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 1>in North Carolina. Welcome back to fast Politics, Justice Riggs.

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much for having me.

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what is happening.

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 7>So we are in the midst of an extended state

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 7>court fight.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get people up to speed here at

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:36.720
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina State Supreme Court. You won your seat. Republicans

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>have decided that they don't want to give it to

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.239
<v Speaker 1>you despite the fact that you won. That's right.

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:46.239
<v Speaker 7>I won in November. It was confirmed by a statewide

0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 7>count that the exact number that I won by seven

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:52.400
<v Speaker 7>hundred and thirty four. It was confirmed by a sample

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 7>hand eye recount in late November early December, and then

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 7>my opponent's challenges were rejected by the state Board of

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 7>Elections in December.

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>So why won't they see you.

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 7>The North Carolina State Supreme Court after a highly unusual

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 7>motion from my opponent, my opponent asks the state Supreme Court,

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 7>on which I serve, but I'm recused in this matter.

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 7>He asked them to stay the certification of my election.

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 7>And your listeners will know that folks storms the capitol

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 7>on January sixth to stay the certification of the twenty

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 7>twenty presidential election. So I like to give that as

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 7>analogy so people understand that these aren't just wonky terms.

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.280
<v Speaker 7>Stay a certification of an election.

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:43.719
<v Speaker 1>So they're not letting you take your seat even though

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you want, because they don't want to. Right.

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 7>So I am in my seat and I keep it.

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:52.280
<v Speaker 7>I was the incumbent, and in North Carolina, the incumbent

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 7>it's called holds over until the election is settled and thirtified.

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 7>I sit in my seat. The opponent won't concede. The

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:06.920
<v Speaker 7>State Supreme Court granted his request to put a hold

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 7>on the certification of my election.

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:11.960
<v Speaker 1>That's insane. For no reason.

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 7>Well they didn't really give a reason except their order

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 7>said so that he can pursue his challenges throughout the

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 7>state court proceeding. And so we went to federal courts

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 7>because we think federal courts should decide these issues because

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 7>they are questions of federal law and federal voting rights.

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 7>The federal court said, yes, we will eventually hear this,

0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.799
<v Speaker 7>but we're going to let the state courts go through

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:47.319
<v Speaker 7>the process of answering any questions of state law. And

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 7>so when the Federal court said that, it effectively meant

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:55.440
<v Speaker 7>that this whole thing was going to drag out six

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 7>to twelve months. They said that at the beginning of February.

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 7>We have five to eleven more months, I think, and

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 7>obviously it's just a guess because court stuff is slow.

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.480
<v Speaker 7>And then in the state courts, you know, you go,

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 7>you start at the trial court, then there's the Court

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.720
<v Speaker 7>of Appeals, and then there's the North Carolina Supreme Court.

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 7>So we've been to the trial court, We've won at

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 7>the trial court. We have now just finished briefing at

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.839
<v Speaker 7>the North Carolina Court of Appeals. I think we'll have

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 7>argument later this month and a decision maybe in April.

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 7>Then it will go to the North Carolina Supreme Court.

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 1>The timing, you know, I'm not.

0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 7>Certain of, but I think it's very realistic that it

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 7>could be May or June before that's resolved, and if

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 7>the state Supreme Court says toss any of these ballots

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:49.799
<v Speaker 7>that we believe are protected under federal law, because as

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 7>a reminder, these are all eligible voters who cast lawful ballots.

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 7>And my opponent has not been able to point to

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:01.839
<v Speaker 7>one single ineligible voter or a voter that he can

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:06.399
<v Speaker 7>prove or point out by name is actually an ineligible voter.

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 7>And my parents are on the list of the sixty

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:14.399
<v Speaker 7>eight thousand voters he's challenging, So I know these are

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 7>eligible voters. And so we're already looking at you know,

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 7>possibly June before we even move back to federal court

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:26.000
<v Speaker 7>if we need to, and then federal court processes take

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 7>time too. So why I so appreciate you lifting up

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.920
<v Speaker 7>this story is because when election litigation or voting rights

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 7>cases take a long time, it's very hard to maintain

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 7>awareness of them because the legal stuff is wonky. Sometimes

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:46.239
<v Speaker 7>people aren't as interested in it. But what's happening here

0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 7>in North Carolina is absolutely critical to the soul of

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:55.399
<v Speaker 7>democracy across this country because molly people in power can

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 7>decide whether or not they acknowledge the results of an election,

0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:02.400
<v Speaker 7>whether they can whether they respect the will of the

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:06.960
<v Speaker 7>voters based on if they like who won, then democracy dies.

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:11.799
<v Speaker 7>And so I need everyone across the country to understand

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 7>that what's happening here, this fight is a continuation of

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:19.479
<v Speaker 7>what failed in twenty twenty and twenty twenty two. They're

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 7>still trying it. My guess is they figure, Hey, no

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:26.839
<v Speaker 7>one really follows state Supreme Court races, so this one

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 7>will fly under the radar. And I refuse to allow

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 7>voters to be disenfranchised in the dark. I will shed

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 7>light on it because I believe it's my duty as

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.760
<v Speaker 7>a constitutional officer. I put my hand on a Bible

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 7>and swore and oath to God that I would defend

0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:47.319
<v Speaker 7>the constitutional rights of everyone in North Carolina, and it

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 7>certainly includes the sixty eight thousand voters whose votes are

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 7>at stake here. But I need folks outside of North

0:48:55.640 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 7>Carolina to understand just how insidious and threatening what is

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 7>happening here is. Because I can't do this by myself.

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:06.240
<v Speaker 7>I need help from across the country.

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, explain to us why this is insidious. It's insidious

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>because you won and they are fighting a real election result,

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and this is opening the door to disputing election results.

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:23.360
<v Speaker 1>They don't like right.

0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:25.759
<v Speaker 7>That's right. So you can think of it as two

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.799
<v Speaker 7>different angles of thinking about why this is so inspidious.

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:33.280
<v Speaker 7>One is it creates the precedent or opens the door

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 7>to people being able to anytime they don't like an

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:41.319
<v Speaker 7>election result, challenge it, say it was illegitimate, and overturn it.

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:44.120
<v Speaker 7>And you can also think of it as problematic from

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 7>the perspective of all of these sixty eight thousand voters

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 7>here in North Carolina followed the rules that were well

0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 7>publicized and set before the election. If you can come in,

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 7>whether it's a disappointed candidate or a political party, if

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:02.320
<v Speaker 7>you can come in and after the election and change

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 7>the rules of the game after the game has been played,

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 7>it's very toxic to how our democracy is supposed to work.

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:14.440
<v Speaker 7>And it's a really intuitive problem. Right second graders on

0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:17.719
<v Speaker 7>a playground know that in a game of kickball, you

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 7>can't change the rules after the game's over because you

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 7>don't like who won. And this is very problematic because

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 7>there are fifty five hundred military voters, military and overseas

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:33.520
<v Speaker 7>voters who were told in advance to the election that

0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:36.640
<v Speaker 7>they did not need to provide a photo ID to

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:40.800
<v Speaker 7>vote in part because military voters use an online portal,

0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 7>there's not a mechanism for submitting a copy of your

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:48.799
<v Speaker 7>picture ID. Also, if you think about folks serving on

0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:52.280
<v Speaker 7>a submarine scanners an email, it's a little bit harder

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 7>to come by. Regardless of whether you like that policy

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 7>or not, that was the rule, It was approved of

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:03.200
<v Speaker 7>by a rules committee, a full of appointees from our

0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 7>Republican legislature. No one fussed about it in advance of

0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:11.239
<v Speaker 7>the election, and now after the election they say no, no, no,

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:16.719
<v Speaker 7>These overseas and military voters should have provided their photo ID,

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:20.400
<v Speaker 7>even though they were explicitly told by North Carolina government,

0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:23.960
<v Speaker 7>the US government, the DoD that they did not have

0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:26.960
<v Speaker 7>to provide that ID. So this is a you know,

0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:30.319
<v Speaker 7>it's a real question of fairness. You can't change the

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:34.520
<v Speaker 7>rules after the election because you think it will somehow help.

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 7>And you know, these fifty five hundred military voters that

0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 7>my opponent is challenging, they're not statewide. They're in four

0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:44.920
<v Speaker 7>of the most democratic counties in the state. There were

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:49.360
<v Speaker 7>thirty two thousand of these voters statewide, but he's only

0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:55.360
<v Speaker 7>challenging those fifty five hundred, and those four heavily democratic counties,

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:58.839
<v Speaker 7>so you can't change the rules like this. I also

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 7>say it this way. Look, voters, when they leave the

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:05.120
<v Speaker 7>voting booth, they should have certainty that they're vote counted

0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:07.359
<v Speaker 7>if they follow the rules that were told to them

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 7>before they went in there. They should feel comfortable that

0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:15.400
<v Speaker 7>their vote counts. If this strategy wins, then no voter

0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 7>here in North Carolina, and really no voter in the

0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:23.319
<v Speaker 7>country will ever leave a ballot box feeling confident that

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:27.320
<v Speaker 7>their vote counted. And I don't know how a participatory

0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:30.840
<v Speaker 7>democracy ever works if that's the case.

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, And that's the point I think. Tell us what

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:38.400
<v Speaker 1>people can do with your story and how they can

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 1>support you.

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 7>If your listeners can, please visit my website. It's Rigs

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 7>for our Courts dot Com. That's far not the number

0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 7>four Rigs for our Courts dot Com. You can sign

0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 7>up to get notifications so you can get emails that

0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:59.400
<v Speaker 7>give you updates on what's happening, provide messaging on social media.

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 7>It's actually really important that people share my updates on

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 7>social media because we need to essentially go viral. We

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:11.840
<v Speaker 7>need folks to understand there's a lot of frustrating, terrifying

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 7>scary things happening across this country and across the world.

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:19.160
<v Speaker 7>I understand that, and we still need to break through

0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 7>some of that noise so that folks understand the threat.

0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:24.799
<v Speaker 7>So if you can follow me on social media, I'm

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:28.279
<v Speaker 7>on all the social media. It's either at Rigs for

0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:32.239
<v Speaker 7>our Courts or at Alison j Riggs. It varies, but

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:34.360
<v Speaker 7>if you search Alison Riggs you'll find me.

0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm on all the social.

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:40.840
<v Speaker 7>Media's providing regular updates because transparency is important. I believe

0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 7>that people in North Carolina and people across the country

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:47.799
<v Speaker 7>deserve to understand what's happening in this legal process, and

0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:52.239
<v Speaker 7>deserve to understand the implications for each of us and

0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:55.520
<v Speaker 7>our fundamental right to vote and our voice. Thank you,

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.960
<v Speaker 7>thank you, thank you, Justice Right, thank you, Mollie, thank

0:53:59.040 --> 0:53:59.600
<v Speaker 7>you so much.

0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 8>And no more secretly, Jesse Cannon, So, my age, jug Fast,

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:11.880
<v Speaker 8>the Supreme Court has decided that your water doesn't actually

0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:14.120
<v Speaker 8>need to be clean and the Clean Water Act is

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 8>a bunch of bullshit.

0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:18.120
<v Speaker 3>And I think this is very very very very very

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:19.080
<v Speaker 3>very very bad.

0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Really tell me why, Jesse.

0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Just this weekend, I was listening to Sarah Hoover, who

0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:29.160
<v Speaker 2>has a celebrated book on the podcast How Long Gone,

0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:32.920
<v Speaker 2>And she was discussing the time that she would surfing

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:36.840
<v Speaker 2>and actually got just a mouthful of water surfing that

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.319
<v Speaker 2>had sewage in it. And what did that do to her?

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:41.240
<v Speaker 2>It put her in the hospital for a month.

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:41.799
<v Speaker 1>What.

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's what this law will enable, is that,

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:49.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, North Carolina has particularly been prone to dumping

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.359
<v Speaker 2>tons of things in the water because they fuck with

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:52.400
<v Speaker 2>this act all the time.

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 3>And this is.

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Exactly the type of implications that happened when the Supreme

0:54:56.840 --> 0:55:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Court overturned regulation because they think regulation is always bad.

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:01.280
<v Speaker 3>This is not good.

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, nobody wants to drink sewage water. Big bad mistake. No,

0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 1>thank you.

0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Was shocking though. Who doesn't want to drink sewage water?

0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Who?

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:15.760
<v Speaker 3>Justice Amy Cony Barrett really woke?

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Justice Amy Comy Barrett. Welcome to the resistance. What happened?

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:21.200
<v Speaker 3>She U said? The descent?

0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 4>Wow?

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 1>So it was five to four mm hm, Yes, welcome

0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to the resistance, Judge Amy too bad. Justice Roberts does

0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 1>not care. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the best minds and politics make sense of all this chaos.

0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:50.120
<v Speaker 1>If you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:54.160
<v Speaker 1>friend and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.