1
00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

2
00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,160
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

3
00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,240
Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Justin Trudeau has a message to

4
00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,040
Speaker 1: the American people that your government has chosen to do

5
00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,239
Speaker 1: this to you, not just the government Donald Trump. We

6
00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,040
Speaker 1: have such a great show for you today. The Washington

7
00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,120
Speaker 1: Posts owned Dana Milbank talks us through Trump's trade wars

8
00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,640
Speaker 1: and how badly they're going.

9
00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,640
Speaker 2: Emali, I have a real surprise for our listeners. We're

10
00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,840
Speaker 2: going to play a whole segment from our YouTube channel

11
00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,600
Speaker 2: where you and the Wicked Projects Rick Wilson react to

12
00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,120
Speaker 2: Trump's address to Congress.

13
00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,360
Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Justice Alison Riggs about the continued

14
00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,600
Speaker 1: fuckery with the North Carolina Supreme Court denying her her

15
00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,920
Speaker 1: seat on the court. But first the news.

16
00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,519
Speaker 2: So, Mollie, one of my favorite moments of hell that

17
00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,960
Speaker 2: I've had to sit through yesterday was watching the Curb

18
00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,600
Speaker 2: Your Enthusiasm theme play while Donald Trump spoke on tariffs

19
00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,960
Speaker 2: at the stocks on Fox News is Ticker and Yeah,

20
00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,479
Speaker 2: these tariffs are going great.

21
00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,080
Speaker 1: I was told by Donald Trump twenty seventeen the trade

22
00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,160
Speaker 1: wars were good and easy to win.

23
00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,080
Speaker 2: Remember that I was told by him that any president

24
00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,320
Speaker 2: that was a thousand points in the stock market of

25
00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,639
Speaker 2: a day should resign.

26
00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:19,839
Speaker 1: Is he going to resign?

27
00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:20,440
Speaker 3: Hell?

28
00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,800
Speaker 1: No, Trade wars are good and easy to win. Let's

29
00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:31,040
Speaker 1: talk about what's happening right now. Donald Trump really really,

30
00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,880
Speaker 1: really wanted to do these tariffs, and everybody who was

31
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,000
Speaker 1: a rich business guy who loved him and wanted the

32
00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,760
Speaker 1: tax cut told themselves that he wasn't actually going to

33
00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,679
Speaker 1: do it. This is this cognitive dissonance of trump Ism, right, So,

34
00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,400
Speaker 1: this is this idea that Trump says, I'm going to

35
00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,120
Speaker 1: be your retribution. People say, yeah, but he means that

36
00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,800
Speaker 1: metaphysically and not literally. He means that technically but not

37
00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,880
Speaker 1: remember that whole thing that reporter uote unquote from Pittsburgh

38
00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,120
Speaker 1: Gazette Selena zto take him seriously but not literally literally

39
00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,520
Speaker 1: but not technically, technologically but not faustianly. Well, he's gonna

40
00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,640
Speaker 1: do it. So all of you wealthy people who voted

41
00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,360
Speaker 1: for Trump because of the stock market, the stock market

42
00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,760
Speaker 1: would like a word. He's opposed a swath of tariffs

43
00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,560
Speaker 1: because remember, he doesn't know how tariffs work on Canada, Mexico, China,

44
00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,760
Speaker 1: sparking You'll be shocked to hear retaliation because what happens

45
00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,280
Speaker 1: in trade wars is that a war happens. So Beijing

46
00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,800
Speaker 1: has sent stocks lower as there's fear of a trade

47
00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,400
Speaker 1: war because markets hate instability. And Donald Trump is presidenting

48
00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,680
Speaker 1: very unstably, so he had had these tariffs twenty five

49
00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,680
Speaker 1: percent on Canada Mexico. You'll remember there are pieces of

50
00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,000
Speaker 1: equipment like car parts that go back and forth between

51
00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,560
Speaker 1: Canada and Mexico five times. So will they be tariffed

52
00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,000
Speaker 1: in and now will they be tariffed once? Twice, three times.

53
00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,200
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of like minutia that can be wildly

54
00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,959
Speaker 1: expensive and kill small businesses. They're also imposing an extra

55
00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,000
Speaker 1: ten percent. This is a white house tariff on Chinese

56
00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:18,519
Speaker 1: imports on top of a ten percent levy imposed last month,

57
00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,040
Speaker 1: so that all get to twenty percent. Trump is accused

58
00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,840
Speaker 1: of the three countries, by the way their crimes, are

59
00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,360
Speaker 1: failing to clamp down on the trafficking of fentanol. Almost

60
00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,080
Speaker 1: no fentinyl right the Canada. Fentanyl it's pretty tenuous.

61
00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,280
Speaker 2: Right, It's enough weight that a child could lift it

62
00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,520
Speaker 2: a bench press it, right.

63
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,400
Speaker 1: And also, and I think this is a really important

64
00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,960
Speaker 1: thing to remember. Mexico gets most of its weapons. I

65
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,560
Speaker 1: know you're going to be shocked to hear this, but

66
00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,480
Speaker 1: you know what country sends most of its weapons to Mexico?

67
00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,480
Speaker 3: The country that makes all the weapons.

68
00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know where that is.

69
00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,200
Speaker 3: I think it's called America.

70
00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,839
Speaker 1: I mean, like eighty percent of the weapons are made

71
00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,240
Speaker 1: by Rick Wilson, but the other two twenty percent made

72
00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,800
Speaker 1: by other people in America.

73
00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,920
Speaker 2: Yes, do we have to remind the listeners of the

74
00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,800
Speaker 2: time you and I had to stop taping with him

75
00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,800
Speaker 2: because he was filing one of his weapons.

76
00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,760
Speaker 1: Jesus, I was like, what are you doing, Rereck, He's

77
00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:14,840
Speaker 1: like the silencer.

78
00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,080
Speaker 3: Do we have to remind listeners that this has happened

79
00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:17,760
Speaker 3: more than once.

80
00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a real weapon problem. So Mexico they

81
00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,680
Speaker 1: have stuff on us too, is what I'm saying. Claudia

82
00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,440
Speaker 1: schean Baum said on Tuesday, the government will wait until

83
00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,520
Speaker 1: Sunday We're going to go into a trade war. This

84
00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,839
Speaker 1: is so stupid, This is so stupid. I just want

85
00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,479
Speaker 1: to say, this is so stupid. Warren Buffett, who's very

86
00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,840
Speaker 1: heavy in cash right now, do I need to explain

87
00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,320
Speaker 1: who Warren Buffett is?

88
00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,560
Speaker 2: I think people know that he's not particularly the most

89
00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,400
Speaker 2: woke economist.

90
00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,080
Speaker 3: He's just considered one of the realists.

91
00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,599
Speaker 1: Okay, he's said He offered a sharp rebuke on the

92
00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,080
Speaker 1: stupid saying a twenty five percent tariff on goods from

93
00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,599
Speaker 1: Mexico and Canada is very stupid. And he said I

94
00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,720
Speaker 1: think he didn't say it's very stupid, but we all

95
00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,600
Speaker 1: know it is very stupid. He told CBS. Woke CBS,

96
00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,560
Speaker 1: this is an active war to some degree. Over time,

97
00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,520
Speaker 1: they are tax on goods. I mean, the truth fairy

98
00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,200
Speaker 1: doesn't pay them. And then what you have to ask

99
00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,800
Speaker 1: that question in economics, and then what well, there's not

100
00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot of it. And then what in Trump world? Okay,

101
00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,760
Speaker 1: well Trump plans to create an external revenue service.

102
00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,479
Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's going to be yeah, existed forever, so BALI.

103
00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,919
Speaker 2: In addition to that, Trump is set to whack the

104
00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,240
Speaker 2: US working class with his stork three thousand dollars tax hike.

105
00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,520
Speaker 1: Listen, those rich people need their tax cut, and if

106
00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,760
Speaker 1: you and your family have to forego whatever to do it, so,

107
00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,880
Speaker 1: this will be the largest tax increase that they have

108
00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,080
Speaker 1: ever seen. I mean, the idea here is that these

109
00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,760
Speaker 1: tariffs are actually a huge tax hike for the consumers.

110
00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,200
Speaker 3: That is correct.

111
00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,919
Speaker 2: And if you have to sell an organ since you

112
00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,880
Speaker 2: refer to that whatever, that's what you're gonna have to

113
00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,160
Speaker 2: do to pay those taxes.

114
00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,240
Speaker 1: So that's right, organs for everyone. So that'll be fun.

115
00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,320
Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, Trump has a real problem,

116
00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,719
Speaker 1: which is Trump loves to talk about how terrible the

117
00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,920
Speaker 1: border is, but there are not a lot of people

118
00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,840
Speaker 1: trying to come over the border. So now Trump has

119
00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,880
Speaker 1: no one to go to war with because he was

120
00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:25,000
Speaker 1: planning on doing horrible you know, camps and deportation squads,

121
00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,160
Speaker 1: and you know that borders sounding pretty quiet, So that's

122
00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,160
Speaker 1: a real problem.

123
00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Somali.

124
00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,440
Speaker 2: One of the other fun things that always is going

125
00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,680
Speaker 2: on in Trump world is them saying something that is

126
00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,280
Speaker 2: a little bit toeing in jd vance. He sat down

127
00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,320
Speaker 2: with Fox News is Sean Hannity, and well, the stupid

128
00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:44,720
Speaker 2: came out.

129
00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,120
Speaker 1: He said that there's a crazy idea in the Democratic

130
00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,320
Speaker 1: Party that if you repeat insane ideas enough, eventually the

131
00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,160
Speaker 1: American people are going to believe them because every accusation

132
00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,400
Speaker 1: is really a confession. Right. I have to say this

133
00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,359
Speaker 1: may be part of the interview, but the part that

134
00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,400
Speaker 1: everyone in the world is talking about. Is jd Vance

135
00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,480
Speaker 1: implying that England and France haven't fought any wars recently,

136
00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,040
Speaker 1: when in fact, George W. Bush got these poor European

137
00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,800
Speaker 1: countries involved in his war against the Access of Evil Iran, Iraq,

138
00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,480
Speaker 1: and North Korea, and they also were involved in beyond

139
00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,840
Speaker 1: the Access of Evil Cuba, Libya, and Syria. Poor Europe

140
00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,760
Speaker 1: was also involved in this. And the phrase, of course,

141
00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,520
Speaker 1: has been attributed to friend of the pod David from

142
00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I love that. One of the

143
00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,200
Speaker 1: commentators said, isn't that Trump's whole business model? Yes, of

144
00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,160
Speaker 1: course Trump is always sort of work in the reps,

145
00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,920
Speaker 1: coming up with insane ideas and they're trying to sell

146
00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:55,400
Speaker 1: them to his supporters. And now we have a special

147
00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,160
Speaker 1: reaction to Trump's address to Congress with the Lincoln Project's

148
00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:04,040
Speaker 1: own rip that we've pulled from our brand new YouTube channel.

149
00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,400
Speaker 1: You can get cool stuff like this, but only by

150
00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,320
Speaker 1: following us on YouTube by looking for fast Politics with

151
00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,320
Speaker 1: Molly John fast Rick Wilson.

152
00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,320
Speaker 4: Dear God, that took a long fucking time.

153
00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,920
Speaker 1: It was the longest one of those ever. It's not

154
00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,960
Speaker 1: we're not calling it a state of the Union because

155
00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,520
Speaker 1: why aren't we calling it that, because it's it's too

156
00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,760
Speaker 1: close to He's only been president for six weeks, so

157
00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,960
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to call it a State of the Union.

158
00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,079
Speaker 4: It's like the Joint Session of Congress.

159
00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,840
Speaker 1: Right, we'll just call it our crashed economy.

160
00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,400
Speaker 4: You know, it really is. I don't know if you've

161
00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,680
Speaker 4: heard about these things. It's called tariffs. They're they're his

162
00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:55,440
Speaker 4: favorite word. It's a big, beautiful word. And and they're

163
00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,520
Speaker 4: already doing so great. They're making us so rich, and

164
00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:00,679
Speaker 4: it's insane.

165
00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,760
Speaker 1: Trump hit one hour thirty minutes, making it the longest

166
00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:12,199
Speaker 1: State of the Union address in Joint Address of Congress

167
00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:19,400
Speaker 1: in history, Longer than people who are better orators.

168
00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,559
Speaker 4: You know, here's the thing. It was castro Esque in length,

169
00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,520
Speaker 4: it was von Munchausen in content. And I think people

170
00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,640
Speaker 4: are going to walk away from it going the fuck

171
00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,800
Speaker 4: that I just listened to because I look an awful

172
00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,560
Speaker 4: lot of it was like k Tell's Greatest Lies of

173
00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,200
Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties and two thousands. It's like all the

174
00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,640
Speaker 4: culture War stuff, the all the you know there are

175
00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,120
Speaker 4: Social Security recipients were three hundred years old.

176
00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,000
Speaker 1: It's right, a lot of stuff that had been debunked.

177
00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:57,520
Speaker 4: Bucket of bullshit. And look, nobody, nobody walked out of

178
00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,240
Speaker 4: that speech tonight. Nobody walked out of that speech tonight

179
00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,240
Speaker 4: and said, Wow, that was a brilliant rhetorical construction. And

180
00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,040
Speaker 4: I totally changed my mind about Donald Trump. No, most

181
00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,880
Speaker 4: people watching that speech tonight were thinking, it's the same shit.

182
00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,840
Speaker 4: And by the way, fuck, oh, Joe Biden's not president

183
00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,079
Speaker 4: anymore and hasn't been for a few months now, and

184
00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,240
Speaker 4: so you know it's on you now, Chief, You're not

185
00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,760
Speaker 4: you know, he's up. I think he mentioned Biden. I

186
00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,560
Speaker 4: was initially keeping track of it. I think he talked

187
00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,480
Speaker 4: about Biden six or seven times at least during the speech,

188
00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:39,960
Speaker 4: maybe more, I don't know. But it struck me how

189
00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,840
Speaker 4: weirdly defensive it was. In a lot of places.

190
00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:49,880
Speaker 1: I thought that sometimes with his speeches, I've thought, wow,

191
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,080
Speaker 1: this is really like remember the Fire and Fury speech

192
00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,320
Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen, where I thought, oh, wow, this is

193
00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,320
Speaker 1: really is to quote George W. Bush, some weird shites.

194
00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:01,640
Speaker 4: Weird shit.

195
00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,920
Speaker 1: With this, it was like the construction was very showman, right.

196
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,400
Speaker 1: So you'd have a person and you'd bring them out,

197
00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,480
Speaker 1: He'd say this, child, this orchid has childhood cancer. Okay,

198
00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,160
Speaker 1: and had been treated by the way at at that

199
00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:26,720
Speaker 1: famous childhood cancer hospital that doesn't charge you, that takes.

200
00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,040
Speaker 4: Money from the NIH or whatever it.

201
00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,600
Speaker 1: Was, Saint Judes. So I've been Saint Judes will be

202
00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,120
Speaker 1: cut under the new Elon Musk efficiency budget, so okay,

203
00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,160
Speaker 1: and they're gonna work on childhood cancer, but they're cutting

204
00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,560
Speaker 1: all the environmental regulations because they have to cut regulation

205
00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,320
Speaker 1: because of capitalism. So here's a So the idea here

206
00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,280
Speaker 1: is that this kid has cancer, but we're going to

207
00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,280
Speaker 1: cut the funding for research for cancer, and we're going

208
00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,160
Speaker 1: to cut the funding for environmental regulations, and we're are

209
00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,440
Speaker 1: going but please look at this kid, because we got him.

210
00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna you know. I mean, it just was like

211
00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,200
Speaker 1: there was so many instances of like, this is the

212
00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:16,200
Speaker 1: freest speechiest free speechy speechified freely us.

213
00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,360
Speaker 4: He felt very free after.

214
00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,440
Speaker 1: Right, But then it was like, but don't look up

215
00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,560
Speaker 1: any of this stuff about what we do when you

216
00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,359
Speaker 1: say stuff we don't like, right, don't.

217
00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,920
Speaker 4: Don't don't conceive for a moment that we won't have

218
00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,080
Speaker 4: you thrown out of the chamber if you if you

219
00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:39,560
Speaker 4: act to very don't for a moment speech that he's

220
00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,640
Speaker 4: not naughty, and winking several times to Cash Betel and

221
00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,640
Speaker 4: Pam Bondy of you know you're gonna have you go

222
00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,960
Speaker 4: get him, you know you You can see a lot

223
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,800
Speaker 4: of this entire structure tonight, I think came down to, look,

224
00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,600
Speaker 4: this was not a speech writer speech. This is a

225
00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,199
Speaker 4: Trump speech. He wrote this speech, or or at least

226
00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,280
Speaker 4: told he when mellow in the speech, I don't but

227
00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,520
Speaker 4: let me let me rephrase. I don't think he wrote it.

228
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,520
Speaker 4: I think he told people what he wanted and and

229
00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,760
Speaker 4: it it was a mess. The whole thing was just

230
00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:13,240
Speaker 4: a mess.

231
00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,120
Speaker 1: But it was very, very.

232
00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,480
Speaker 4: Densely packed lies. If lies were like nuclear material, they

233
00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,800
Speaker 4: would have been compressed so densely that they would have

234
00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:27,800
Speaker 4: reached a criticality and exploded. It just it was I mean, look,

235
00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,599
Speaker 4: saying it was Trump's most mendacious speech ever is a

236
00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,760
Speaker 4: high bar. But it was up there.

237
00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,600
Speaker 1: Well, they're all, I mean, they're all like that the

238
00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:43,479
Speaker 1: thing that I mean, you know, the real democracy, true democracy.

239
00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there were a lot of like we're gonna,

240
00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, redefine words, what do they mean? Real nineteen

241
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,320
Speaker 1: eighty four kind of stuff. I mean that's to be expected.

242
00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the guy feels very emboldened. But

243
00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,960
Speaker 1: I what I was thought, what I sort of was

244
00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,720
Speaker 1: surprised by, was he also seemed kind of tired.

245
00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was not super high energy tonight. He was

246
00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,600
Speaker 4: not super high energy. And I think we've talked about

247
00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,360
Speaker 4: this in the past. There is as certain cadence Trump

248
00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,640
Speaker 4: gets when he's reading off the prompter. And we will

249
00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,880
Speaker 4: pass a tax cut that will make millions of Americans

250
00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,280
Speaker 4: so much more money, more money than you've ever seen before.

251
00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,120
Speaker 4: It will be nothing, nothing anyone's ever seen ever because

252
00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,360
Speaker 4: we will make so much, so much money, And it

253
00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,280
Speaker 4: just was sort.

254
00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,680
Speaker 1: Of a get sort of bored.

255
00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,720
Speaker 4: I do think even for some of the Republicans in

256
00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,200
Speaker 4: the audience who who were doing what I call the

257
00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,240
Speaker 4: Saddam rule, which is, never be the first guy in

258
00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,760
Speaker 4: the audience to stop clapping, Never be the first guy

259
00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,000
Speaker 4: to stopped clapping. They were doing the Saddam rule. But

260
00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,360
Speaker 4: there was also a there were some of the things

261
00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,080
Speaker 4: he was saying that that that no one in that

262
00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,240
Speaker 4: audience believe were true. Oh, the markets are doing great,

263
00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,240
Speaker 4: and intro streets are plunging, and everything's going fine. And

264
00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,640
Speaker 4: we've done so much in such a small amount of time.

265
00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,600
Speaker 4: That's so good. Any of these went for a town

266
00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,120
Speaker 4: hall meeting, they were buying that ship. Any of these

267
00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,280
Speaker 4: read a newspaper, they weren't buying any of it.

268
00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,800
Speaker 1: Well, if anyone who looks at the Dow Jones, which

269
00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,640
Speaker 1: is Trump too right, knows that it's it's given back

270
00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,040
Speaker 1: all its gains. So the I think the question really

271
00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,400
Speaker 1: is sort of how long he can keep this kind

272
00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,160
Speaker 1: of I don't know, is it Mussil? I mean, who

273
00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,720
Speaker 1: is the who is the autocrat who says everything is

274
00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,440
Speaker 1: it's sunny when it's raining?

275
00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,680
Speaker 4: I mean, who is the I mean like I mean

276
00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,000
Speaker 4: I jokingly said this earlier. A lot of it was

277
00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,920
Speaker 4: sort of Baron von Munchhausen. He was almost testing people

278
00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,240
Speaker 4: to see how many lies they would believe tonight because

279
00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:54,560
Speaker 4: the speech was piled so hot, and my my staff

280
00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,400
Speaker 4: folks were were following it and they're like, you know,

281
00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,160
Speaker 4: we know you wanted us to fact check this, but

282
00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,120
Speaker 4: we're all like one hundred and fifty lies an hour

283
00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,640
Speaker 4: in to the seventeen hour speech, and it just it

284
00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,040
Speaker 4: just it just struck me as even his own people, Yeah,

285
00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,360
Speaker 4: they're clapping in the room, But the cognitive dissonance is

286
00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,280
Speaker 4: a pretty far gap. In this speech. There was a

287
00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,600
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of I'm the best, time, the greatest.

288
00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,680
Speaker 4: They all expect that from Trump. But there was also

289
00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,360
Speaker 4: a lot of like outright lies, and they knew it

290
00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,840
Speaker 4: and they couldn't. They know they can't sell.

291
00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,920
Speaker 1: A lot of these things, right, No, No, I mean

292
00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,760
Speaker 1: they can't. And quite frankly, you know, I mean what

293
00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,200
Speaker 1: is interesting is that he's sort of like he knows

294
00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,120
Speaker 1: what he's supposed to pretend to care about, right, So

295
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,680
Speaker 1: clean air veterans, right, So as he's cutting these things,

296
00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,720
Speaker 1: he's pretending he cares about them. And I would say

297
00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,400
Speaker 1: that is in a way the most interesting part. Also

298
00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,760
Speaker 1: the kind of showmanship we saw. So we had MTG

299
00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,560
Speaker 1: in a maga hat. This is now her thing. She

300
00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,680
Speaker 1: wears a maga hat. We had the sort of the

301
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:09,400
Speaker 1: crew of you know, the Trump children, every sort of Melania.

302
00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we had the whole sort of.

303
00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:13,879
Speaker 4: A different color. Tonight.

304
00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:20,000
Speaker 1: She has been tanning with him, or they've been bronzing together.

305
00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,800
Speaker 4: You know. The family that bronzes together stays together, is

306
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:23,359
Speaker 4: what they said.

307
00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:28,280
Speaker 1: That's right, it's they share a bronzer. They share one bronzer.

308
00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,600
Speaker 4: There, I will now use the tanning bed.

309
00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think any of that is occurring naturally.

310
00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,479
Speaker 1: I think that's just all orange powder caked up. And

311
00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,800
Speaker 1: actually one of my kids, who I was watching it

312
00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,520
Speaker 1: was was we were like trying. He was like, maybe

313
00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 1: it is real, And I was like, if your skin

314
00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,239
Speaker 1: in your scalp is one color and your face is

315
00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,640
Speaker 1: radically different than it is not real.

316
00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,120
Speaker 4: That is not real. No, definitely not a real thing.

317
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,960
Speaker 4: But look, I mean I think I think you saw

318
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,359
Speaker 4: a lot of the performative as I said, like the

319
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,280
Speaker 4: Saddam rule, the clapping, the yelling, the you know, the

320
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,399
Speaker 4: raw rawer. Trump he he's watching. He expects all that.

321
00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,760
Speaker 4: They know he expects all that. But I you know,

322
00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,679
Speaker 4: even Trump was admitting tonight with things like the terrorists, like, oh,

323
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,480
Speaker 4: there'll be some dislocation, there'll be some brief rob. I

324
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,560
Speaker 4: think those clips are going to come back to bite

325
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,920
Speaker 4: him so hard, because unless, as Howard Lutnik was hitting

326
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,400
Speaker 4: hitting today, he's going to bail on tomorrow.

327
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,880
Speaker 1: Do you think that's possible? I mean, that was some

328
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,000
Speaker 1: Howard Lutnik is doing some three dimensional chests here we

329
00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,840
Speaker 1: may do it, we may not do it, we might

330
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:41,840
Speaker 1: not do it at all.

331
00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the thing. I think Trump doesn't give a

332
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,159
Speaker 4: shit about public opinion, but I think he cares a

333
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,320
Speaker 4: lot about what the market does. And the market has

334
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,080
Speaker 4: been crippling for the last two days. It's been punishing

335
00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,680
Speaker 4: him for the last two days, rightly so. And I

336
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,439
Speaker 4: kind of thought like some of the speech tonight might

337
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,560
Speaker 4: have been calibrated a bit, like like threw in more

338
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:13,000
Speaker 4: like raw, raw, optimistic bullshit that you know, you and

339
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 4: I both know was crap. It's like things like, oh,

340
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 4: so many new car factories are already being built, right?

341
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 1: No, I know there was tons of new car factories.

342
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:28,120
Speaker 1: That was pretty amazing. So I want you to sort

343
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 1: of do a second or two on the Democratic pushback.

344
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,440
Speaker 1: Was it the right stuff that Democrats did? You had

345
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 1: a couple of different things, you had Al Green? Yeah,

346
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,119
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to remind everyone al Green

347
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,119
Speaker 1: tried to impeach Donald Trump on like I think it

348
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 1: was like January thirty first, twenty seventeen, right, so he

349
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 1: was remember Nancy was like no, and he was like yes,

350
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: I think maybe February third, he was already doing impeachment,

351
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 1: so it's been hot to try for a long time.

352
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 4: I always have this memory of of MTG and uh

353
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 4: and Bobert screaming like a pair of hyaenas at Joe Biden,

354
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, so, like, if the decorum thing

355
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 4: is the thing, then you don't wear a baseball hat

356
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,959
Speaker 4: on the floor of the house. You don't. You don't

357
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 4: get to, you know, sit there as a screamer and

358
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 4: a ranter once upon a time and now be sort

359
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 4: of the picture of propriety. All those things are.

360
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,400
Speaker 1: Let's just pause for a second. What worked? So al

361
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: green didn't really work. People wearing pink didn't really work.

362
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: What worked? I thought the little signs where they they

363
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 1: held it up when he was lying yes, And then

364
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 1: I thought.

365
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 4: I thought that was a really interesting message. But I

366
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 4: think it actually works. Given some of the polling we're seeing,

367
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 4: people do not like that guy. No people are showing

368
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 4: happy about it.

369
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 1: The nefarious billionaire who models himself on a bond villain

370
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 1: is not and is not even from here, is not

371
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: more popular.

372
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 4: Imagine how imagine a South African bond villain who you know,

373
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 4: uses his who.

374
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: Uses his schest man in the world.

375
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 4: Super powers to fire weathermen and veterans, suicide counselors, and.

376
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: Take money from children's cancer right. Yeah, so here, So

377
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: the question is I also thought maybe Bernie just looking

378
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: on and very displeased was a good I mean, I

379
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: thought he did well. I mean the question is like

380
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: do you go? Do you not go? Ultimately it was

381
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 1: it better just not to go?

382
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, my my, I think sitting through the

383
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 4: show was probably an yeah. And a lot of Trump's

384
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 4: speech was built around like, oh, you won't cheer for America, right,

385
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 4: A lot of that, yes, you know. So I think

386
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 4: I think if I'd been counseling the Democrats, I think

387
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 4: I would have sent a delegation of people. But but

388
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: you know, look, I don't think the stunt stuff works anymore.

389
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: So Manu Raju White signs, I mean, Manu Raju, who

390
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: works for CNN, said, I've been in the House chamber

391
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: for speech, you know, for a lot of speeches. Have

392
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: not seen an opposition party mount of protests like tonight,

393
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: House and Senate Democratic leaders and I think we couldn't

394
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,959
Speaker 1: see this because we weren't in it. Didn't join the

395
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,239
Speaker 1: escort committee for the President. They turned their backs on

396
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: him when he entered the chamber. They didn't shake his hand,

397
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: they didn't applaud virtually anything. Several walked out in the

398
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: middle of the speech, lots of signs in the back

399
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: being held up. DEMN members repeated shots of lies and

400
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: your law lying. A DAMN member, Al Green was exported out.

401
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: DEMN leaders endorsed the no applause strategy, but Jeffries and

402
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: his deputies urged members against signs, props and loud outbursts.

403
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 4: Well, look, I think turning your back on someone as

404
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 4: they entered the room is one of the oldest pieces

405
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 4: of political symbolism you can engage in in a public forum,

406
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 4: and that is that. I think that was a good move.

407
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 4: I think it says something, and I think it also

408
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 4: it may have actually rattled Trump. He was trying to

409
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 4: work the Democrats.

410
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: Do you notice the same thing. Well, I just know

411
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: what it's like to give a speech, and when you

412
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: feel like they're not with you, even if you know

413
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: it's a friendly group, it gets really rattling. So I wondered,

414
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: and you and it makes more sense now all of

415
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: his stuff where he kept being like, they're not gonna chap,

416
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: They're not gonna applaud They're not gonna like I kept

417
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: wondering why he was so stuck on that, and that

418
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense.

419
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 4: I think that. I think I think we've sort of

420
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 4: I think yeah, and I think that idea of Trump

421
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 4: in his head of I'm president, They're gonna clap for me,

422
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: no matter what. I deserve it. I own this, I'm

423
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: the boss. I think all of that has a sort

424
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 4: of for him. Not getting what he wants in that

425
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 4: space is really hurtful to him. He's gonna stew on this.

426
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: He's gonna hate this, he's gonna be mad about it.

427
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 4: He's gonna be thinking to himself, you know, they disrespected me.

428
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 4: I deserve better. I'm gonna punish them, you know. But

429
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 4: I do think that the best night of the moment

430
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: mess moment of the night was I can't I don't

431
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 4: know which member it was, but as Trump was walking

432
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: down the aisle, someone held up aside and said, this

433
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 4: is not normal.

434
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who that was.

435
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: And I thought that was really I liked that seeing

436
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: that moment because it really this guy went in there

437
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: with no intention of of of unification or communication with

438
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 4: with the rest of America. It was just about he's

439
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 4: gonna he was gonna go in there and and own

440
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: the Libs, and he was gonna be a clown. He

441
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: was gonna do his thing. And he did and and

442
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 4: and some of it went on so long, like like like,

443
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 4: this is not normal. Really spoke to me about this

444
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 4: whole event.

445
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: So the woman who did who held up the this

446
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: is not normal sign, is a woman called Melanie Stansbury.

447
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: She is from New Mexico. She is the the ranking

448
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: member on DOGE, which you'll remember the chair of DOGE

449
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: is one maga hat wearing Marjorie Taylor Green. So one

450
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: of the things that Stansbury has had to do, when

451
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: I think she's done it actually quite well has she's

452
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: had to sort of be the sane one on that

453
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: committee while still and so I did. I did think

454
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: that was absolutely the right tone to hit because it

455
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: was like trot, it was not. It was somewhat disrespectful,

456
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: but it was not. It's still. I thought it struck

457
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: me as more appropriate than a lot of the other stuff.

458
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think I think that was That was

459
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 4: my favorite moment. And look, I think I think that

460
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 4: the temptation in all this is to overprocess it and

461
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 4: overthink it, because very few people remember any response to

462
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 4: a State of the Union or a joint address. Yeah,

463
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 4: you remember the performance of the of the president, Republican

464
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: or Democrat. And I think Trump's performance was I don't

465
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 4: think it was a great When Trump has the ability

466
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 4: to perform at a different level.

467
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and this was not that level. But you

468
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: saw the P. T. Barnum, you saw the showman. But

469
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: the most important thing about this is that we have

470
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: now lost another hour and a half of our lives

471
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: watching Donald Trump give a speech. And as I've said

472
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: to so many of these speeches, I immediately thought to myself,

473
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: here we go again.

474
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 4: Another Yes, another fucking death march through Donald Trump's weird brain.

475
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 4: And it was I mean. And by the way, my

476
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 4: favorite tweet of the night was a scientist who was

477
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 4: involved in this study. He said, I wish I could

478
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: explain to them that transgenic mice are not transsexual mice.

479
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: But how could you?

480
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, transgenet Always, those are not transsexual mice.

481
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 4: These are transgenic, not transsexual.

482
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: Dana Milbank is a columnist at The Washington Post and

483
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: the author of Fools on the Hill, The hooligans, saboteurs,

484
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists, and duncis who burned down the House. Welcome

485
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics. Your friend, my friend, Datambank.

486
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 5: Molly, it is always great to be with you, even

487
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 5: as the world is falling apart.

488
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: Listen, he just as a constituent of mine, because I

489
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: am a member of Congress now, so listen. It does

490
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: seem as if and I don't live in the district

491
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: of Columbia, so I'm allowed to vote in presidential campaigns, right,

492
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: But it feels like things are quite leak in the

493
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: federal government.

494
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 5: Discuss well, Congresswoman, I would be delighted to discuss this

495
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 5: with you. Things are bleak in the federal government, but

496
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 5: I think things have taken such a turn here that

497
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 5: things are now bleak for the country as a whole,

498
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 5: if not the world. I mean what we're seeing with

499
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 5: this trade war, and make no mistake, this is the

500
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 5: biggest trade war we've had in a century. We're about

501
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: to see the consequences. You know, elections have consequences, and yes,

502
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 5: they've already had tremendous consequences for federal workers that will

503
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 5: reverberate through the country in terms of services of America's

504
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 5: expecting will no longer receive. We've seen the shock through

505
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 5: the loss of freedom to liberties, but this is where

506
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 5: Americans are really going to see it most. I mean,

507
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: prices are now going to go up within a matter

508
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 5: of days. And even if Trump comes to his senses

509
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 5: and withdraws these actions, it sort of story started us

510
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 5: on a cycle of protectionism. And in history shows once

511
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 5: you go down this road, there's almost no way back history.

512
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: Wait, what you bringing up history? Where the United States

513
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 1: of amnesia? We know nothing, we remember nothing.

514
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 5: But even people who watch Ferris Bueller know about Smoot Hawley, right.

515
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: Smooth Halley. Well, actually only people will watch Fueler now

516
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: about Smooth Holly. It does seem like the predictions. You know,

517
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: we had this widen soft landing economy where everyone was like, yes,

518
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: the economy is good, but voters don't feel it. They

519
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: want cheaper eggs, so they voted for Donald Trump or

520
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: eggs cheaper danam Bank.

521
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 5: I've been surveying the groceries and markets for you, and

522
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 5: I can report that no egg prices are up substantially.

523
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 5: And that's the thing. I mean, you know, and prices

524
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 5: are up substantially across the board. We've seen various indicators

525
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 5: and even out today, predictions of yet higher rates of

526
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 5: inflation increase. We've seen forecasts for economic growth in this

527
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 5: first in the first quarter which we're currently in, have

528
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 5: gone from substantially positive to recession and a.

529
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: Half percent up to two and a half percent down.

530
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 5: That's quite a swing in GDP. And that's you know,

531
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 5: by definition, that would mean that we are in or

532
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: are entering a recession.

533
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: Is that a woke math?

534
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: Though?

535
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: Could that be woke math?

536
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 5: There's the Atlanta Fed practicing woke math?

537
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: Is the Atlanta Fed practicing wont math? Because it feels

538
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: like woke math to may.

539
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 5: I guess so, And that's why it should be investigated

540
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 5: by the FCC and possibly by the acting US Attorney

541
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 5: for the District of Columbia.

542
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: He's pretty busy. You saw that piece of news that

543
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: perhaps he was trying to panel a grand jury to

544
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: go after Chuck for his Bello Coast language. In twenty twenty, Chuck.

545
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 5: Schuma right the Bello Cooast language, for which he immediately

546
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: clarified going after a couple of other members of Congress

547
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 5: threatening to go after reporters who break news and expose

548
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 5: facts in the public domain about Doge.

549
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: Yes, that's not okay.

550
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 5: I'm working on a larger piece about this, but just

551
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 5: the wholesale fuselage of assaults on freedom of the press.

552
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 5: I was going to, you know, include them in the

553
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 5: current column I'm working on. They are just too many.

554
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 5: I did I need more column inches to keep track

555
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 5: of it. It is just it is just breathaking.

556
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in a pretty insane moment.

557
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 6: We have no more aid to Ukraine, no more USA

558
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 6: I D no more of a lot of the congressionally

559
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 6: allocated funds because Trump thinks they're not going the way

560
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 6: they should.

561
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: What happened now, Like courts have already ruled a lot

562
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: of courts of rule this is illegal or we're in

563
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: a constitutional crisis. Who stands up for the rule of law?

564
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: That shouldn't be a trick question, by the way.

565
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 5: I mean, we're facing a series of slow moving the

566
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 5: crises here. The Trump administration has been sort of slow

567
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: walking its responses. You know, I don't think we can

568
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 5: really say that they've flagrantly overtly violated a court order yet.

569
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 5: I mean, it seems to be just a matter of

570
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 5: time until that's coming you know, a lot of this

571
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: is going to as we saw from the Chief Justice

572
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 5: just recently, a lot of this is going to make

573
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 5: its way to the Supreme Court. The administration will almost

574
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 5: certainly lose on most of these things, but they may

575
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 5: win on some of them and be able to redefine

576
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 5: the powers of the executive. But you know, so I

577
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 5: don't want to minimize constitutional crises. I think what's going

578
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 5: to happen in the very short term, though, is the

579
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 5: stuff we've been talking about with the trade war. I mean,

580
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 5: the government is supposed to shut down in ten days.

581
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 5: Republicans seem to have no clue as to how to

582
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: keep it functioning, so they're relying on the minority Democrats

583
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 5: to do it. But they've not given the minority Democrats anything.

584
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 5: And why would the Democrats just vote to continue government

585
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 5: funding the way it is, knowing that Donald Trump and

586
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 5: Elon Musk are just going to spend money on the

587
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: programs they want and kill the funding for all other programs.

588
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: I read the playbook today that the cr it's not

589
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: going to be available until this weekend or next week,

590
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: so it's not like they even have it right.

591
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 5: Well, no, I mean, you can guess what's in it.

592
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 5: They have been by definition, we're talking about, you know,

593
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 5: probably a clean cr as they call it, that continues

594
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 5: the current levels of funding. Democrats have insisted on, and

595
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: rightly so, some sort of assurance that the money that

596
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 5: co Congress is approving is actually going to be spent

597
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 5: by the executive branch.

598
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: Crazy talk, Yeah.

599
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 5: What a crazy idea. And of course the executive would

600
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 5: probably ignore that language anyway, since he's not shown himself

601
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 5: to be bound by the laws. But the Congressional Republicans

602
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 5: are saying, no, we're not even going to put the

603
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 5: language in there because we like what he's doing. So

604
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 5: I just I'm having a hard time seeing what the

605
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 5: incentive is for the Democrats to participate in this charade,

606
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 5: to give their blessing to this charade. So we may

607
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 5: be looking at a government shutdown. We're looking at a

608
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 5: rapidly accelerating the trade war with all kinds of recaliations underway.

609
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 5: We're looking at an already overheating inflation environment and very

610
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 5: shaken markets, the prospects for hitting a serious recession now.

611
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 5: So that's what's happening right now in the short term,

612
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 5: and then we can all sit back from our shantytowns

613
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 5: and Hooverville's and watch these constitutional crises unfold.

614
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: Shanty towns and hoover rebels. I'm laughing to keep from

615
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: crying here. So Trump has only been in office for

616
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: six weeks.

617
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: Okay, isn't that incredible. I can't remember life before this.

618
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: This person has done so much to happened in such

619
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: a short period of time. Democrats, on the other hand,

620
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: the Great James Carvill said that he feels the Democrats

621
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: should just bow out of the public forum and take

622
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: a break, perhaps go to Aspen. Do you think this

623
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: is something that the constituents who are getting arrested in

624
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: front of Tesla? Do you think they want a Democratic

625
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: party that is think tanking and perhaps doing a little scheme.

626
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 5: No, I don't think that's what they want. But I

627
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 5: also don't sort of buy into this criticism that the

628
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 5: Democrats have been silent. I mean, okay, they.

629
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 4: Have no power.

630
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: No, I don't think they have been either. But I'm

631
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: just I want to talk about the carvel yet another anyway,

632
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: continue right, So.

633
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 5: I mean, yes, there's a school of thought that says

634
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 5: they should be, you know, setting their hair on fire

635
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 5: over everything. Trump does. I'm kind of inclined to agree

636
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 5: with that. There are others who say they should be

637
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 5: picking their battles or I guess maybe going to Aspen.

638
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 5: I think that's kind of a sideshow, because you know,

639
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 5: the Democrats are not in control of their own destiny

640
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 5: right here. They don't have a leader or you know,

641
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 5: any obvious one, and they won't for a couple of years.

642
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 5: Their fortunes, the fortune of the party and I think

643
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 5: of the country are going to rise and fall based

644
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 5: on how Trump does. And if there is a backlash,

645
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: and I think a very powerful one is already building

646
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 5: and it's only going to get more powerful as people

647
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 5: realize that it's actually affecting their lives and their pocketbooks.

648
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 5: There's going to be a huge backlash, just as there was,

649
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 5: you know, with the Tea Party in two thousand and

650
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 5: nine and twenty ten. You know that's where the Democrats

651
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 5: will find their voice. Yeah, okay, so there, you know

652
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 5: they managed to hold together a filibuster on trans rights

653
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 5: in the Senate. Okay, well, that's well great, but that's

654
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 5: not you know, I don't think that's where the Democrats

655
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 5: need to be defined. They're going to be defined by

656
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 5: the backlash to what Trump is is now doing, and

657
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 5: it is unfortunately worth the country, but perhaps fortunately for

658
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 5: the opposition, disastrous.

659
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: For the Democrats. Yeah, are you worried about like democratic

660
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: forms and institutions aka like our ability to vote?

661
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 5: I am very worried, molly about the weekend of the institutions.

662
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 5: I don't think anything like that drastic happens overnight. You know,

663
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 5: we're going to have an election next year, We're going

664
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 5: to have an election in three years. But the same

665
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 5: thing I've been writing about, the attacks on the free press,

666
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 5: it's not going to disappear overnight, although my employer seems

667
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 5: to be doing its best to make it do that.

668
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: But day now hear the curd.

669
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 5: Oh, but it's going to take a long time to

670
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 5: undermine freedoms that have been building up over decades. But

671
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 5: you know, of course it's a danger and a threat.

672
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 5: You know, we don't have to get up and say

673
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 5: every single action is the end of free expression in America,

674
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 5: but to know that combined, we are definitely chipping away

675
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 5: and it's going to take a long time to fix

676
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 5: and reverse these things.

677
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Yes, correct, It's funny because it's like we did have

678
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: Trump one blown out. So as much as all of

679
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: this feels unprecedented, it's actually very much. You know, in

680
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: some ways it rhymes, in some ways, it's a lot worse.

681
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: But the reason why Trump wasn't able to permanently end

682
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: a lot of our norms and institutions was because of

683
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: democratic pushback. Is that correct and talk to me?

684
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 5: Well, yes, of course it's correct, But you know, I'm

685
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 5: not sure that it was necessarily know what was happening

686
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 5: in twenty seventeen. All signs indicate that Democrats will finally

687
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 5: retake the House as they should have last time, and

688
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 5: that'll be a bullwork. Part of the reason why Trump

689
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: is destroying so many things so quickly is because he

690
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 5: doesn't have a lot of time. Next year, the midterm

691
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 5: campaign is in earnest. This is the year when he

692
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 5: has to get everything done in terms of reconciliation bills

693
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 5: through Congress and also all these extra legal and unconstitutional

694
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 5: executive actions and orders that he can do at a

695
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 5: time when he's not getting oversight or scrutiny from Congress.

696
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if we could just spend minute or

697
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: two talking about Elon mush Or as I like to

698
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: think of him, Leon. He is the richest man in

699
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: the world. He is meme. I don't know if you

700
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: know that, but I'm not sure you saw him at Seaback,

701
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: but he is meme. He is so powerful he no

702
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: longer needs verbs. What do you make of this? Verbalis

703
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: South African billionaire who has decided that his newest hobby

704
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: is cutting the federal government. And just as a student

705
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: of history, has this ever worked well? Jesse has a

706
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: fact check. He says that actually, and you know, we

707
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: are very committed to the facts here. Jesse has an

708
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: important fact check. He technically said, I become meme. Thank you, Jesse. Okay,

709
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: he become meme. He become booner of the federal government.

710
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

711
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 5: Maybe I missed this during the campaign, but you know,

712
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 5: I thought the president was coming into reduce prices and

713
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 5: grow the economy, and instead we have a trade war

714
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 5: that is increasing prices and trashing the economy. And we

715
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 5: have the world's wealthiest man running the government, which is

716
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 5: not at all contemplated during the campaign. But so no,

717
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 5: it was not on my bingo card to have unelected megabillionaire,

718
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 5: unaccountable to anybody, making decisions that will affect all of

719
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 5: our lives. I don't think that what Elon Musk is

720
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 5: doing will endure.

721
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: Because it's not constitutional, right, I mean, this is a

722
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: model will be undone.

723
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 5: But what he's doing but that will endure, is it's

724
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 5: just sabotage, pure and simple. He's done the same sort

725
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 5: of thing that his business to, you know, sort of

726
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 5: burn things down for creative rebuilding. But the government doesn't

727
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 5: work that way for good reason. It's not a competitive enterprise.

728
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 5: It's providing services and protecting Americans. It's not a business.

729
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 5: The damage to the brain drain, the loss morale, turning

730
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 5: away really a generation of civic minded people who care

731
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 5: about government service and love their country. That stuff it's

732
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 5: going to take a long long time, even if we're

733
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 5: inclined to fix it, to fix it. So that's where

734
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 5: his damage is. Do I think he's actually ending foreign

735
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 5: aid for all time? No, of course not. That's going

736
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 5: to need to be fixed in some way. But he

737
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 5: sure is destroying our reputation around the world and hamstringing

738
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 5: our government, and not to mention, making millions of people's

739
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 5: lives miserable in the short term.

740
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: The most important part is he's doing it for a

741
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: tax cut and So who among us would not ruin

742
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: into our federal government to save a couple billion dollars?

743
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

744
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 5: Maybe, but I don't know what Tesla stock is down

745
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 5: what thirty percent?

746
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had the worst month in like five years.

747
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 5: I wonder how they're going to do now that they

748
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 5: can't import any of their car parts. I mean, you know,

749
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: we're looking at all automakers are about to take a

750
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 5: big hit because of this trade war. So yeah, I

751
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 5: can't imagine the trade war is good for Elon Musk,

752
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 5: although he probably won't notice it less than your average

753
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 5: mom and pop.

754
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, those poor moms and pops. At the state level,

755
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: we're seeing governors stand up more. Heally Chanet Mills from Maine,

756
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: seventy seven year old very Spry did a really excellent

757
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: job of speaking truth to power. Do you think about

758
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Democrats and should they embrace federalism?

759
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 5: Well, if by that you mean use the federal system

760
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 5: to resist what's going on in Washington, well of course

761
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 5: they should's that is one of the checks and balances

762
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 5: that you know, that is one of the ways we

763
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 5: preserve the republic and protect democracy. I mean, you know,

764
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 5: the courts are one, the free press is one. And

765
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: certainly our federal system is one, and it was used

766
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 5: quite successfully to counter Biden at every term, and that

767
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 5: was without an actual constitutional crisis. So yeah, by all means,

768
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 5: I mean this is the moment for state governors and

769
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 5: state attorneys general to lead the fight exactly.

770
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: Data Mailbank, please come back soon.

771
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 5: Well, if we still have a country, I will be

772
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 5: back with you anytime.

773
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: Justice Allison Riggs is a judge on the Supreme Court

774
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. Welcome back to fast Politics, Justice Riggs.

775
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me.

776
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: Okay, what is happening.

777
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 7: So we are in the midst of an extended state

778
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 7: court fight.

779
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to get people up to speed here at

780
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: North Carolina State Supreme Court. You won your seat. Republicans

781
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: have decided that they don't want to give it to

782
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: you despite the fact that you won. That's right.

783
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 7: I won in November. It was confirmed by a statewide

784
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 7: count that the exact number that I won by seven

785
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 7: hundred and thirty four. It was confirmed by a sample

786
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 7: hand eye recount in late November early December, and then

787
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 7: my opponent's challenges were rejected by the state Board of

788
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 7: Elections in December.

789
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: So why won't they see you.

790
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 7: The North Carolina State Supreme Court after a highly unusual

791
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 7: motion from my opponent, my opponent asks the state Supreme Court,

792
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 7: on which I serve, but I'm recused in this matter.

793
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 7: He asked them to stay the certification of my election.

794
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 7: And your listeners will know that folks storms the capitol

795
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 7: on January sixth to stay the certification of the twenty

796
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 7: twenty presidential election. So I like to give that as

797
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 7: analogy so people understand that these aren't just wonky terms.

798
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 7: Stay a certification of an election.

799
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: So they're not letting you take your seat even though

800
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: you want, because they don't want to. Right.

801
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 7: So I am in my seat and I keep it.

802
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 7: I was the incumbent, and in North Carolina, the incumbent

803
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 7: it's called holds over until the election is settled and thirtified.

804
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 7: I sit in my seat. The opponent won't concede. The

805
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 7: State Supreme Court granted his request to put a hold

806
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 7: on the certification of my election.

807
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: That's insane. For no reason.

808
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 7: Well they didn't really give a reason except their order

809
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 7: said so that he can pursue his challenges throughout the

810
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 7: state court proceeding. And so we went to federal courts

811
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 7: because we think federal courts should decide these issues because

812
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 7: they are questions of federal law and federal voting rights.

813
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 7: The federal court said, yes, we will eventually hear this,

814
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 7: but we're going to let the state courts go through

815
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 7: the process of answering any questions of state law. And

816
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 7: so when the Federal court said that, it effectively meant

817
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 7: that this whole thing was going to drag out six

818
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 7: to twelve months. They said that at the beginning of February.

819
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 7: We have five to eleven more months, I think, and

820
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 7: obviously it's just a guess because court stuff is slow.

821
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 7: And then in the state courts, you know, you go,

822
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 7: you start at the trial court, then there's the Court

823
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 7: of Appeals, and then there's the North Carolina Supreme Court.

824
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 7: So we've been to the trial court, We've won at

825
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 7: the trial court. We have now just finished briefing at

826
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 7: the North Carolina Court of Appeals. I think we'll have

827
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 7: argument later this month and a decision maybe in April.

828
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 7: Then it will go to the North Carolina Supreme Court.

829
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: The timing, you know, I'm not.

830
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 7: Certain of, but I think it's very realistic that it

831
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 7: could be May or June before that's resolved, and if

832
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 7: the state Supreme Court says toss any of these ballots

833
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 7: that we believe are protected under federal law, because as

834
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 7: a reminder, these are all eligible voters who cast lawful ballots.

835
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 7: And my opponent has not been able to point to

836
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 7: one single ineligible voter or a voter that he can

837
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 7: prove or point out by name is actually an ineligible voter.

838
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 7: And my parents are on the list of the sixty

839
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 7: eight thousand voters he's challenging, So I know these are

840
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 7: eligible voters. And so we're already looking at you know,

841
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 7: possibly June before we even move back to federal court

842
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 7: if we need to, and then federal court processes take

843
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 7: time too. So why I so appreciate you lifting up

844
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 7: this story is because when election litigation or voting rights

845
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 7: cases take a long time, it's very hard to maintain

846
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 7: awareness of them because the legal stuff is wonky. Sometimes

847
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 7: people aren't as interested in it. But what's happening here

848
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 7: in North Carolina is absolutely critical to the soul of

849
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 7: democracy across this country because molly people in power can

850
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 7: decide whether or not they acknowledge the results of an election,

851
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 7: whether they can whether they respect the will of the

852
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 7: voters based on if they like who won, then democracy dies.

853
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 7: And so I need everyone across the country to understand

854
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 7: that what's happening here, this fight is a continuation of

855
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 7: what failed in twenty twenty and twenty twenty two. They're

856
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 7: still trying it. My guess is they figure, Hey, no

857
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 7: one really follows state Supreme Court races, so this one

858
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 7: will fly under the radar. And I refuse to allow

859
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 7: voters to be disenfranchised in the dark. I will shed

860
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 7: light on it because I believe it's my duty as

861
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 7: a constitutional officer. I put my hand on a Bible

862
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 7: and swore and oath to God that I would defend

863
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 7: the constitutional rights of everyone in North Carolina, and it

864
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 7: certainly includes the sixty eight thousand voters whose votes are

865
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 7: at stake here. But I need folks outside of North

866
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 7: Carolina to understand just how insidious and threatening what is

867
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 7: happening here is. Because I can't do this by myself.

868
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 7: I need help from across the country.

869
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, explain to us why this is insidious. It's insidious

870
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: because you won and they are fighting a real election result,

871
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: and this is opening the door to disputing election results.

872
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: They don't like right.

873
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 7: That's right. So you can think of it as two

874
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 7: different angles of thinking about why this is so inspidious.

875
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 7: One is it creates the precedent or opens the door

876
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 7: to people being able to anytime they don't like an

877
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 7: election result, challenge it, say it was illegitimate, and overturn it.

878
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 7: And you can also think of it as problematic from

879
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 7: the perspective of all of these sixty eight thousand voters

880
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 7: here in North Carolina followed the rules that were well

881
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 7: publicized and set before the election. If you can come in,

882
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 7: whether it's a disappointed candidate or a political party, if

883
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 7: you can come in and after the election and change

884
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 7: the rules of the game after the game has been played,

885
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 7: it's very toxic to how our democracy is supposed to work.

886
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 7: And it's a really intuitive problem. Right second graders on

887
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 7: a playground know that in a game of kickball, you

888
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 7: can't change the rules after the game's over because you

889
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 7: don't like who won. And this is very problematic because

890
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 7: there are fifty five hundred military voters, military and overseas

891
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 7: voters who were told in advance to the election that

892
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 7: they did not need to provide a photo ID to

893
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 7: vote in part because military voters use an online portal,

894
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 7: there's not a mechanism for submitting a copy of your

895
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 7: picture ID. Also, if you think about folks serving on

896
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 7: a submarine scanners an email, it's a little bit harder

897
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 7: to come by. Regardless of whether you like that policy

898
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 7: or not, that was the rule, It was approved of

899
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 7: by a rules committee, a full of appointees from our

900
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 7: Republican legislature. No one fussed about it in advance of

901
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 7: the election, and now after the election they say no, no, no,

902
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 7: These overseas and military voters should have provided their photo ID,

903
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 7: even though they were explicitly told by North Carolina government,

904
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 7: the US government, the DoD that they did not have

905
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 7: to provide that ID. So this is a you know,

906
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 7: it's a real question of fairness. You can't change the

907
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 7: rules after the election because you think it will somehow help.

908
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 7: And you know, these fifty five hundred military voters that

909
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 7: my opponent is challenging, they're not statewide. They're in four

910
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 7: of the most democratic counties in the state. There were

911
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 7: thirty two thousand of these voters statewide, but he's only

912
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 7: challenging those fifty five hundred, and those four heavily democratic counties,

913
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 7: so you can't change the rules like this. I also

914
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 7: say it this way. Look, voters, when they leave the

915
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 7: voting booth, they should have certainty that they're vote counted

916
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 7: if they follow the rules that were told to them

917
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 7: before they went in there. They should feel comfortable that

918
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 7: their vote counts. If this strategy wins, then no voter

919
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 7: here in North Carolina, and really no voter in the

920
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 7: country will ever leave a ballot box feeling confident that

921
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 7: their vote counted. And I don't know how a participatory

922
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 7: democracy ever works if that's the case.

923
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: Right, And that's the point I think. Tell us what

924
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: people can do with your story and how they can

925
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: support you.

926
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 7: If your listeners can, please visit my website. It's Rigs

927
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 7: for our Courts dot Com. That's far not the number

928
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 7: four Rigs for our Courts dot Com. You can sign

929
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 7: up to get notifications so you can get emails that

930
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 7: give you updates on what's happening, provide messaging on social media.

931
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 7: It's actually really important that people share my updates on

932
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 7: social media because we need to essentially go viral. We

933
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 7: need folks to understand there's a lot of frustrating, terrifying

934
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 7: scary things happening across this country and across the world.

935
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 7: I understand that, and we still need to break through

936
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 7: some of that noise so that folks understand the threat.

937
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 7: So if you can follow me on social media, I'm

938
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 7: on all the social media. It's either at Rigs for

939
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 7: our Courts or at Alison j Riggs. It varies, but

940
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 7: if you search Alison Riggs you'll find me.

941
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm on all the social.

942
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 7: Media's providing regular updates because transparency is important. I believe

943
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 7: that people in North Carolina and people across the country

944
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 7: deserve to understand what's happening in this legal process, and

945
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 7: deserve to understand the implications for each of us and

946
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 7: our fundamental right to vote and our voice. Thank you,

947
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 7: thank you, thank you, Justice Right, thank you, Mollie, thank

948
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 7: you so much.

949
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 8: And no more secretly, Jesse Cannon, So, my age, jug Fast,

950
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 8: the Supreme Court has decided that your water doesn't actually

951
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 8: need to be clean and the Clean Water Act is

952
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 8: a bunch of bullshit.

953
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: And I think this is very very very very very

954
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: very very bad.

955
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: Really tell me why, Jesse.

956
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 2: Just this weekend, I was listening to Sarah Hoover, who

957
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: has a celebrated book on the podcast How Long Gone,

958
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: And she was discussing the time that she would surfing

959
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: and actually got just a mouthful of water surfing that

960
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: had sewage in it. And what did that do to her?

961
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 2: It put her in the hospital for a month.

962
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: What.

963
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what this law will enable, is that,

964
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 2: you know, North Carolina has particularly been prone to dumping

965
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 2: tons of things in the water because they fuck with

966
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: this act all the time.

967
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: And this is.

968
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: Exactly the type of implications that happened when the Supreme

969
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: Court overturned regulation because they think regulation is always bad.

970
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 3: This is not good.

971
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, nobody wants to drink sewage water. Big bad mistake. No,

972
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: thank you.

973
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: Was shocking though. Who doesn't want to drink sewage water?

974
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: Who?

975
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 3: Justice Amy Cony Barrett really woke?

976
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: Justice Amy Comy Barrett. Welcome to the resistance. What happened?

977
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: She U said? The descent?

978
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 4: Wow?

979
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: So it was five to four mm hm, Yes, welcome

980
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: to the resistance, Judge Amy too bad. Justice Roberts does

981
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: not care. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

982
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear

983
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: the best minds and politics make sense of all this chaos.

984
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: If you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a

985
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: friend and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.