WEBVTT - The Bachelor Godmother 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:06.040 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.920 So the year was two thousand and two, Spring of 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:13.680 two thousand and two to be exact. And I met 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:19.040 this lovely, beautiful young blonde on the first season of 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:24.320 The Bachelor. Her name was Trista Wren, and she didn't 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:28.280 actually find love on that first season. She later became 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.600 our first bachelorette. She was a runner up on Alex 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:34.080 Michelle's season of the Bachelor and then became our first bachelorette. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.120 Of course, the rest is history and has been a beautiful, 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.840 wonderful history, and she has become a dear friend of mine, 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.280 as is her husband and two children. I should say, 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.760 welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. Trista, the Og, 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.600 the goat, the godmother of the franchise. Yes to the Godfather, 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.480 for without you, this thing wouldn't have ever worked for 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.600 you or me. That's true. No, And I do say 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.400 when I you know, whenever I talk about Trista, I 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.679 call her the godmother because when people say, what was 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:12.320 that lightning in a bottle moment that legitimized the show? 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:16.400 Because we needed we needed the show. The concept was great, 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.880 the idea behind it was actually really brilliant. But if 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.720 we didn't have a true love story, then what's the point. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.479 And so you know, season three, we went through Alex 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.679 Michelle and people think you were actually the second you 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.160 were not. Aaron Bergee came next, he was the next bachelor. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.040 Then it was the first Bachelorette. And I say it 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.319 took Trista in that love story to legitimize what we 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:40.400 were actually envisioning. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.240 Yeah, it's crazy. I mean I didn't feel that pressure. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.800 Of course, I was just there to find love. But 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.960 you're right, I feel like even just watching, I don't 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.360 know if you watched this season, I don't. I assume 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.080 you do, maybe don't watch anymore, But. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:01.400 To be honest, I don't. I don't. I don't, I assumed. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.880 But I feel like a lot of people are craving 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.000 authenticity these days, and I feel like Joey was able 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.440 to give that back to people this season. And I 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.240 think a lot of people, at least the people I've 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.960 been messaging with, you know, fans of the show, are 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:22.960 loving that. And so I have always felt that I 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:27.560 always wanted authenticity and sincerity, and that's probably why I 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:31.920 was attracted to my husband, because that's him. But yeah, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.160 I was just there to do my own thing, you know, 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.360 buy love and thank god it happened. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.520 I always say, you know, again going we're going back 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:48.079 many many years, two thousand and two, twenty two years ago. Obviously, 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.560 there was an innocence and a naivete. We were all 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.560 so innocent. I mean, I think about the things you 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:55.440 and I were doing at the time, and we hung 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.760 out all the time. I mean, the show was so different. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.919 There was no separation of church and state, and there 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.080 was a beautiful innocence to it that is lost. And 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.280 I don't blame anybody in particular because it's just the 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.639 sign of the times. But how do we get that back? 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.480 You know, can you can? Can that Genie be put 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.679 back in the bottle where you have you know, legitimately 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.880 sincere authentic reality TV? Again? 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.639 Gosh, I don't know. I mean, that's a really good question, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.920 because I feel like with social media, you just it's 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.080 really hard to do that. But you're right, looking back, 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.360 we all hung out. It was me and Lisa and 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.920 Mike and you and Jason Carbone and we were at 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:46.480 Lisa's house like having drinks and going out to dinner together, 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.720 like it wasn't. And obviously the people nowadays hang out 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.000 with their handlers, right, so they have a producer that 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.280 is like attached to them for the whole show, and 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.720 they hang out with them. But I feel like it 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.840 was You're right. We were so naive. We were just 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:07.720 trying to figure things out, and I loved it, Like 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:12.360 I loved being like a family with everybody. It's probably 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.600 one of the best things to come out of the show. Obviously, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:19.920 you know, my relationship is the best thing to come 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.120 out of the show. But the friendships. I feel like 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.160 we were able to really really cultivate those friendships back 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.920 then because we weren't worried about someone taking a picture 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.520 of us and putting it on social media and being like, 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.240 oh my god, is Chris Harrison dating Trista Setter or 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.320 Trista Wren, you know, like because we were hanging out, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.080 you know, like, I don't know, it was just I 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.400 love the innocent days and I wish we could get 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.320 back to it, but I just don't know that that's 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:46.920 possible with social media. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.600 I mean, flash forward to I went to Dancing with 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.960 the Stars, probably to maybe root you on. I forget 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.200 when it all happened, but somebody from the batchler was 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.320 on the show and on dancing and Emily Maynard and 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.400 I went, you know, I usually would go the Bachelor 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.560 Bacherette of that season to promote it. And of course 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.800 the tabloids are calling because I'd just gotten a divorce, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.440 and it's like, is Chris you know, did he you know? 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.559 Is he dating Emily? Do you think there's something weird? 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:10.760 There? 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.039 Was he hitting on any of the dancers? And you 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.839 know when we flashed back and I don't. I will 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.640 say it was a very unprofessional time of the Bachelor 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.159 and Bacherette. There were no rules because, like you said, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.560 we would stop taping and you would kind of come 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.359 back with us back to the hotel or back to 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.719 someone's house, and we were drinking tequila and traut. You know, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.719 there was no there were there were there were no lines. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.040 There were no professional lines where now it's like everybody 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.200 has their compartment that they have to stay in totally. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.760 Well I mean, I mean we like put those lines 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.800 there for our own, Like I wasn't ever going to 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.400 like hit on you and likewise, and I wasn't ever 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.680 going to hit on flies and likewise, do you know 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.919 what I mean, like I for me, there were lines there, 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.520 but that was our personal lines. There were no lines 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.119 that had been divide I did. Because of the world 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:02.839 that we live in. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.640 We were just having fun. You were allowed to just 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.400 have fun, in which we did. We had an absolute blast. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.440 And you know, I think back and you can probably 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:17.480 give more credence to this. You were also used more 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:19.479 in that we were trying to build a franchise and 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.760 trying to build a show. You were the first of something. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.680 You were the first bacherette while we had done a 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.960 bachelor the Bachelorette at the time. You have to remember 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.560 everybody was really controversial and it was really this lightning 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.560 rod and this is why we had to choose a 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.279 really strong, spectacular woman, which we did in Trista. But 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:40.760 it was hot. But we used you in a good 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.080 way of like, okay, Trista, what do you think? 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:43.560 Right? 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.120 We would ask your opinion and you would almost help 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.000 produce the show in a way that we would never 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:50.279 do or they would never do. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:54.960 Now you're so right, it's so funny. I remember specifically 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:59.280 a time with Lisa Levinson. She was basically, even though 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.760 she was the EP, she was kind of my handler 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:02.160 if you. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.520 Will, and and that's how crazy. Lisa So the executive 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.560 producer on a television show was like the top of 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.200 the top and they don't handle bachelor's and bacheorettes, but 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.800 back then that's who was hands on with you. And 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.520 that's just that's unheard of now. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.520 Unheard of, yes, completely, So they're always behind the scenes, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.120 you know, But she were. She was doing my interviews. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:28.080 Every time I was doing an im like I was, 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.360 I was with her. So there was one specific moment 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.640 where she was asking me all these questions. I was 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.320 getting really annoyed with her and it was just taking 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.360 forever and She's like, Okay, listen, I just need you 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.080 to cry. And I was like, what, Like that's so stupid. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.120 I'm sorry, but if I'm not feeling that, I'm like, no, 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.600 I don't want to cry. But if that's what it's 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.440 going to take, like, just ask me something to like 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.200 get me emotional. But I'm not, like, I'm not an actress. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.080 But Lisa was funny. Lisa came from that that's soap 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.640 opera world and the talk show world, and she was 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.760 great at that and she you know, she would get 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.600 in there and mix it up and do the interviews herself, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.400 and again they just don't, you know, executive producers don't 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.360 do that anymore well. 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.640 And also I feel like, you know, the handlers get 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:20.320 really close to the leads, so they have super special bonds, 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.880 and I feel like because of that, a lot of 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.560 times the leads will open up more same with the 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.840 rest of the cast, like you're going to open up 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:29.920 more to someone that you have a bond with than 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.480 you are to like somebody who you've never seen before. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.360 You mentioning that story reminded me of another story that 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.640 you told me. I wasn't there because back in the day, 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.439 you know, this is again two thousand and two, two 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.439 thousand and three, we didn't travel. The show would go 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.560 on dates and maybe pop out to Vegas, go to 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.440 Hawaii or whatever, but we would always come back to 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.079 LA for Rose ceremonies. That was home base. So all 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.040 Rose ceremonies were back home. So I wouldn't go very rarely. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.160 I think the first time I traveled, honestly was Bob 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.439 Guiney season, and so you I think it was Russ 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.559 wouldn't that his name? You went to think maybe Sedona 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:09.400 or something Yep, Okay, So do you remember. Do you 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.160 remember the story about Russ and the kiss and how 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:13.760 sick you were? 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:14.760 I don't remember. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:19.280 Tell me it was the same thing where one of 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.040 the producers was like, you were you were feeling terrible. 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.800 You were really sick and feeling horrible, and you're like, guys, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.719 I just want this to be over. I just want 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.240 to go to bed. Tell me how I can make 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.200 this end. And they said, well, if you'll kiss him. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:36.240 Remember that. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.320 It actually sounds very similar to when I was in 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:44.000 Hawaii with Alex Michelle. So he was sick in bed, 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.920 and I think that I probably I remember going to 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.120 his room just to hang out, but he was he 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.120 was totally sick. These days, if someone was sick because 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.800 of potential COVID, you would not be able to go 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.800 to his room and just say hi, you know, so, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.880 oh yeah, I remember being an Alex. I do not remember. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.280 I have such a horrible memory. I mean, it's just 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:07.160 it's just gone. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.200 This is what's crazy. I remember that. I think Alex 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.400 was sick because you guys went on a helicopter ride 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:17.000 and he got heir sick. He got heir sick. You're right, 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.679 So the poor guy was throwing up puking and then 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:22.439 they're like going for a kiss. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.400 So amazing. It's amazing looking back at that and knowing 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.559 how many helicopters they've had on the show, and the 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.760 first one ended up with the leap puking in it, 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.360 So why do they constantly right? 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:35.679 Why do we do this anymore? 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:35.920 I know? 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.400 You know, the most unromantic thing in the world is 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.760 two is the air the hot air balloon ride, because 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.000 what you're not seeing is the two or three other 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:48.120 people shoved in this basket. Everybody is literally touching, you know, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.240 there's one there's a camera set up, and it's like 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:54.760 it's the most unromantic moment ever, but we make it look. 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:55.840 Very much produced. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:11:11.360 Yeah, very much produced. Going back to the naivete, I 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.840 will still say your group of guys the greatest group 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.440 of bachelors we have ever assembled. That has to do 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.679 with a lot of things. I think the timing, the guys, 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:25.559 the innocence of the moment. But it was a spectacular 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.640 group of guys. I'm friends with many of them. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.319 Yeah. Actually Ryan was watching the finale with me, so Blakesley, 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:36.240 my daughter, of course, wanted to watch this season because 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.640 we met Joey at the Golden wedding, so you know, 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.640 she's kind of locked in and she wasn't here. So 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.200 Ryan watched the finale with me and he was saying, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.880 just that, you know, the girls on this season, there 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.000 was a little bit of drama, but like in the end, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.320 what they were talking about, how was kind of like 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.599 out of out of nowhere, it's never happened before. Was 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.240 the word that the girls were actually like supporting each 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.959 other in the end, the last two girls, and they 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.440 were talking about, you know, the girls in their bond, 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.280 and Ryan was like, I our season was the best, 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:17.080 Like our guys were the best. Like everyone got along. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.280 He said. He remembers one of the guys saying he 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.000 didn't know if it was Charlie, but one of the 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.080 guys saying, if she doesn't end up with me, I 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:27.719 really want her to end up with you. 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.840 Like that does not say I think it was so Charlie. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.160 And Charlie was your number two who I actually ran 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.360 into not too long ago in Las Vegas. Remember I 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.880 think I told you about that, Yes, yes, yes, and 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.800 we caught up. It was so wild. This guy came 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.640 up to me. It's like Chris Harrison was like, holy 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:49.000 crash Charlie just what a blast in the past. And 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.000 of course Bob Guiney famously was on your season. You 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.680 didn't choose Bob. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.920 I didn't. What were my friends to this day? 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.520 Exactly? I yelled, well, y'all host the podcast together. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:02.720 Exactly. 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:07.400 Yeah, I mean think about that, and we and when 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.240 we did your show, there was no such thing as 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.120 a podcast, There was no such thing as a blog. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.320 We didn't have to deal with any of that crap. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.280 The worst thing we dealt with was maybe after the season, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.440 Entertainment Tonight or People magazine would try to do something 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:19.959 that was it. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:26.199 You're right. I remember specifically going on gosh, what was it? 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:33.120 The Today Show? With what is? Katie Couric was the 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.000 person who interviewed me, and I was completely starstruck. And 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:40.320 Matt Lowery that was really fun. And then of course 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:44.280 they switched everything from NBC Today Show to Good Morning 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.079 America for you know, for everything, of course, which makes 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.480 sense because it's an ABC show. But that was really 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.240 really that was really fun for me because you know, 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:57.800 I was this Midwestern girl who had lived in Miami 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.040 and it was all fun for me. It was it 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:07.160 was It was a crazy whirlwind and that was kind 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.400 of a little bit of icing on the cake because 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:14.720 the cake was Ryan. I'm sure you're not being. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:19.120 Compared to cake well, and people have to like put 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:23.560 in perspective if if the show is doing good now, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.160 that means it's averaging just under or just at three 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:34.160 million viewers. Yeah, your show was over thirty million. Over 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.680 thirty million viewers. It's hard to put in perspective. And again, 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.760 it was a different time in television. I'm not comparing 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.720 the two because you can't. Television is so different. But 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.000 that's the point is there was no social media, but 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.800 it was so big. And I will tell a story 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.680 to try and put in perspective how big it was. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:56.600 There was this show called Alias with Jennifer Garner, Bradley 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.120 Cooper and all these big stars that was on and 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.920 that was on ABC. Was the big show. Trista and 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.280 I went to the Super Bowl. There was the Super 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.760 Bowl in San Diego with Tampa Bay and the Raiders 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.480 were playing, and you and I were there, and so 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.560 the biggest stars on the planet. You know, Jennifer Garner 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:19.080 was huge at the time. When Trista walked in, the 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:25.400 place shut down everybody that they were knocking, knocking, Jennifer 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.600 Garner over to get to Trista, and it was just 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.920 it was the level of stardom, the level of craziness. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.440 And back then there was no there wasn't a late 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.400 night show. That It was actually at that Super Bowl 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.200 when they announced Jimmy Kimmel was going to do the 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.840 late night show. So you went on Jay Leno, you 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.520 were on the Today Show. That would never happen. Now 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.360 you got to go suck up to Kimmel. You got 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.560 to go suck up to GMA and People met and 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.960 People Magazine owns The Bachelor, so you're you know, People 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.320 Magazine will never say anything bad about The Bachelor. They're 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.680 always going to get the story that whole. You know, 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.920 they're all in cahoots. That wasn't the case with you. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:08.000 Definitely not. And I did Howard Stern like Oprah. Oprah 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.960 is where the wedding came from. You know, she she 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.560 wanted to have the wedding on her show. It was, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.240 it was, it was massive. It's funny that I love 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.840 seeing it through your eyes or hearing about seeing it 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.280 through your eyes, because I don't remember that being Like 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.040 what I remember about the Super Bowl was that I 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.360 freaking got to sat next to sit next to Bradley 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:33.240 Cooper because I was a massive fan of Alias and 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.400 to this day too like freaking love him and Jennifer 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.440 Garner too, Like I am huge fans. So that's all 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.760 I remember about it is how starstruck I was. But 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.960 you're right, it was. I think they said it was 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.240 thirty one million people tuned into the final episode when 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:52.200 we got engaged. 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.240 Yeah, the biggest episode ever was Aaron Bergie's finale that 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.680 was thirty three million. Your season is the highest averaged 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.320 ever from start to finish. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.080 No, it you know, something that was definitely not expected. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.480 Like you said in the beginning, it was very controversial. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.680 I mean I got called every name in the book 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.159 by the past. You know that I was going to 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.520 look like a slut and who am I to be 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.760 dating twenty five guys at one time and all this, 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.080 So I probably went, you know, to the opposite extreme, 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.800 like that moment when I was on the beach with 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.199 Jamie and he was like, well, could I give you 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.200 a kiss? And I was like maybe on the cheek. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:39.360 Jamie Blithe. So you think of the popularity of you 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.280 and the show, and by the way kudos because I 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.040 always say, of all the people that have been able 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:49.080 to transition and stay relevant with the show, with the fans, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:53.120 with everything, it's you. You have mastered that and it's brilliant. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.160 And I say, is brilliant because you did not have 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.960 social media good or bad. First of all, I would add, 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.679 do you wish it was a different time? Say you 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.600 had the stardom, the numbers, the press, everything, and you 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:10.280 had you could be a social media influencer. First of all, 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:11.440 you'd be a bajillionaire. 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.160 But gosh, I don't think I could do it. Brian 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.840 and I have talked about that. I am so sensitive. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.320 I would go on the message boards. So back then 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.919 it was like the precursor to social media. It was 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.280 message boards. So you go on ABC dot com and 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.240 they would have a message board tab and you could 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.520 click on all these different links about what people were discussing. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.200 And of course it was like Trista walks like a duck, 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.719 and Trista has a baby talk and Trista this and 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.879 that and the other thing. And I would look at 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.800 everything because hello, I'm a curious human, and I would 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:54.280 get upset. I do not think I would survive mentally, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.080 the social media terrors that they have to go through, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.159 Like the death threat that people get is ridiculous. It 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.840 is so horrifying. Yeah, the hatred, I hate that. It 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.960 is so much of it is about hatred. And even 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.480 if it's like this much, that's. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.000 What you focus on on a lot of it is 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.080 bots and stuff that don't they're not even yeah, they're 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.520 not even real accounts. I mean, I went through that 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.840 when I was going through my thing. You know, I'm 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:24.280 used to it because I've been doing this for over 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.040 thirty years. But you know, the death you get, death threats, 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.840 you get hate, you get all this stuff. I've gotten 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.600 that for decades. I just don't go on social media 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.560 and cry about it. It's just it is what it is. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.600 But you go back and if sometimes if you look 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.199 at those accounts, you're like zero followers, zero, you know, 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.280 it's like they're bots. They're they're fake, but they are 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.000 made to initiate and distir this crap up, and it's 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.680 it is. It's horrible. It's tough to deal with, especially 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.200 for someone like you. And I've always defended bachelor's and 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.160 bachelorettes and people on the show because say what you will. 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.479 I know you think you know what you signed up for, 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.760 but you don't. There's no way to prepare you for that. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.320 No, you can't. You can think that you're going to 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.200 be able to handle it, but you can't until you're 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.639 in that position. And I want to go back and 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.639 say thank you. That was very nice of you to 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.040 say about staying relevant. I don't think I'm relevant that 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.920 much these days because I am old and I'm the 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.000 old gal, like you know, the OG that's what I say. 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:23.399 The OG stands for. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.760 Hey, I'm telling you to this day. And literally I 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.800 just went to I just went to Missoo where Lauren 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.760 went to school, and inevitably it always happens, people come 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.639 up and say, oh my gosh, my favorite season was 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.479 Trista and that Firefighter. For some reason, they never remember 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.639 Ryan's name. He's always the firefighter. But I'm telling you 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.320 you to this day, which is remarkable because again this 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.879 is twenty two years. That's essentially two generations of humans 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.239 that have grown up. They still watch and know you 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.119 and find you and find your season. That's really it 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:58.159 really is remarkable. 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:03.440 That's very sweet. I honestly think I have a thought 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:07.600 on this is I just recently heard that your memories, 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.040 the ones that you remember, are the ones that are 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.200 tied to some kind of emotion. Right. So a lot 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.040 of people, which I'm sure you get this all the time, too, 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.800 watched the show during like difficult times when their mom 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.159 was dying, or when they were having a baby, or 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.240 they got together with a group of people and they 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.959 put on their wedding gowns as like the party that 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.919