1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: So the year was two thousand and two, Spring of 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and two to be exact. And I met 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: this lovely, beautiful young blonde on the first season of 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: The Bachelor. Her name was Trista Wren, and she didn't 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: actually find love on that first season. She later became 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: our first bachelorette. She was a runner up on Alex 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Michelle's season of the Bachelor and then became our first bachelorette. 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Of course, the rest is history and has been a beautiful, 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: wonderful history, and she has become a dear friend of mine, 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: as is her husband and two children. I should say, 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. Trista, the Og, 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: the goat, the godmother of the franchise. Yes to the Godfather, 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: for without you, this thing wouldn't have ever worked for 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: you or me. That's true. No, And I do say 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: when I you know, whenever I talk about Trista, I 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: call her the godmother because when people say, what was 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: that lightning in a bottle moment that legitimized the show? 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: Because we needed we needed the show. The concept was great, 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: the idea behind it was actually really brilliant. But if 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: we didn't have a true love story, then what's the point. 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: And so you know, season three, we went through Alex 23 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: Michelle and people think you were actually the second you 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: were not. Aaron Bergee came next, he was the next bachelor. 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: Then it was the first Bachelorette. And I say it 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: took Trista in that love story to legitimize what we 27 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: were actually envisioning. 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. I mean I didn't feel that pressure. 29 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: Of course, I was just there to find love. But 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: you're right, I feel like even just watching, I don't 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: know if you watched this season, I don't. I assume 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: you do, maybe don't watch anymore, But. 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't. I don't. I don't, I assumed. 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: But I feel like a lot of people are craving 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: authenticity these days, and I feel like Joey was able 36 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: to give that back to people this season. And I 37 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: think a lot of people, at least the people I've 38 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: been messaging with, you know, fans of the show, are 39 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: loving that. And so I have always felt that I 40 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: always wanted authenticity and sincerity, and that's probably why I 41 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: was attracted to my husband, because that's him. But yeah, 42 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: I was just there to do my own thing, you know, 43 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: buy love and thank god it happened. 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: I always say, you know, again going we're going back 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: many many years, two thousand and two, twenty two years ago. Obviously, 46 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: there was an innocence and a naivete. We were all 47 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: so innocent. I mean, I think about the things you 48 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: and I were doing at the time, and we hung 49 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: out all the time. I mean, the show was so different. 50 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: There was no separation of church and state, and there 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: was a beautiful innocence to it that is lost. And 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't blame anybody in particular because it's just the 53 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: sign of the times. But how do we get that back? 54 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: You know, can you can? Can that Genie be put 55 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: back in the bottle where you have you know, legitimately 56 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: sincere authentic reality TV? Again? 57 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: Gosh, I don't know. I mean, that's a really good question, 58 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: because I feel like with social media, you just it's 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: really hard to do that. But you're right, looking back, 60 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: we all hung out. It was me and Lisa and 61 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: Mike and you and Jason Carbone and we were at 62 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: Lisa's house like having drinks and going out to dinner together, 63 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: like it wasn't. And obviously the people nowadays hang out 64 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: with their handlers, right, so they have a producer that 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: is like attached to them for the whole show, and 66 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: they hang out with them. But I feel like it 67 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: was You're right. We were so naive. We were just 68 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: trying to figure things out, and I loved it, Like 69 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: I loved being like a family with everybody. It's probably 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: one of the best things to come out of the show. Obviously, 71 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: you know, my relationship is the best thing to come 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: out of the show. But the friendships. I feel like 73 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: we were able to really really cultivate those friendships back 74 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: then because we weren't worried about someone taking a picture 75 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: of us and putting it on social media and being like, 76 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: oh my god, is Chris Harrison dating Trista Setter or 77 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: Trista Wren, you know, like because we were hanging out, 78 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, like, I don't know, it was just I 79 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: love the innocent days and I wish we could get 80 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: back to it, but I just don't know that that's 81 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: possible with social media. 82 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, flash forward to I went to Dancing with 83 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: the Stars, probably to maybe root you on. I forget 84 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: when it all happened, but somebody from the batchler was 85 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: on the show and on dancing and Emily Maynard and 86 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: I went, you know, I usually would go the Bachelor 87 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: Bacherette of that season to promote it. And of course 88 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: the tabloids are calling because I'd just gotten a divorce, 89 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: and it's like, is Chris you know, did he you know? 90 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 1: Is he dating Emily? Do you think there's something weird? 91 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: There? 92 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: Was he hitting on any of the dancers? And you 93 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: know when we flashed back and I don't. I will 94 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: say it was a very unprofessional time of the Bachelor 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: and Bacherette. There were no rules because, like you said, 96 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: we would stop taping and you would kind of come 97 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: back with us back to the hotel or back to 98 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: someone's house, and we were drinking tequila and traut. You know, 99 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: there was no there were there were there were no lines. 100 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: There were no professional lines where now it's like everybody 101 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: has their compartment that they have to stay in totally. 102 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: Well I mean, I mean we like put those lines 103 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: there for our own, Like I wasn't ever going to 104 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: like hit on you and likewise, and I wasn't ever 105 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: going to hit on flies and likewise, do you know 106 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: what I mean, like I for me, there were lines there, 107 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: but that was our personal lines. There were no lines 108 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 2: that had been divide I did. Because of the world 109 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: that we live in. 110 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: We were just having fun. You were allowed to just 111 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: have fun, in which we did. We had an absolute blast. 112 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: And you know, I think back and you can probably 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: give more credence to this. You were also used more 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: in that we were trying to build a franchise and 115 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: trying to build a show. You were the first of something. 116 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: You were the first bacherette while we had done a 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: bachelor the Bachelorette at the time. You have to remember 118 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: everybody was really controversial and it was really this lightning 119 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: rod and this is why we had to choose a 120 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: really strong, spectacular woman, which we did in Trista. But 121 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: it was hot. But we used you in a good 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: way of like, okay, Trista, what do you think? 123 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: Right? 124 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: We would ask your opinion and you would almost help 125 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: produce the show in a way that we would never 126 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: do or they would never do. 127 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: Now you're so right, it's so funny. I remember specifically 128 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: a time with Lisa Levinson. She was basically, even though 129 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: she was the EP, she was kind of my handler 130 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: if you. 131 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: Will, and and that's how crazy. Lisa So the executive 132 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: producer on a television show was like the top of 133 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: the top and they don't handle bachelor's and bacheorettes, but 134 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: back then that's who was hands on with you. And 135 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: that's just that's unheard of now. 136 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: Unheard of, yes, completely, So they're always behind the scenes, 137 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: you know, But she were. She was doing my interviews. 138 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: Every time I was doing an im like I was, 139 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: I was with her. So there was one specific moment 140 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: where she was asking me all these questions. I was 141 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: getting really annoyed with her and it was just taking 142 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: forever and She's like, Okay, listen, I just need you 143 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: to cry. And I was like, what, Like that's so stupid. 144 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but if I'm not feeling that, I'm like, no, 145 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to cry. But if that's what it's 146 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: going to take, like, just ask me something to like 147 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: get me emotional. But I'm not, like, I'm not an actress. 148 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: But Lisa was funny. Lisa came from that that's soap 149 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: opera world and the talk show world, and she was 150 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: great at that and she you know, she would get 151 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: in there and mix it up and do the interviews herself, 152 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: and again they just don't, you know, executive producers don't 153 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: do that anymore well. 154 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: And also I feel like, you know, the handlers get 155 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: really close to the leads, so they have super special bonds, 156 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: and I feel like because of that, a lot of 157 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: times the leads will open up more same with the 158 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: rest of the cast, like you're going to open up 159 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: more to someone that you have a bond with than 160 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: you are to like somebody who you've never seen before. 161 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: You mentioning that story reminded me of another story that 162 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: you told me. I wasn't there because back in the day, 163 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: you know, this is again two thousand and two, two 164 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: thousand and three, we didn't travel. The show would go 165 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: on dates and maybe pop out to Vegas, go to 166 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: Hawaii or whatever, but we would always come back to 167 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: LA for Rose ceremonies. That was home base. So all 168 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: Rose ceremonies were back home. So I wouldn't go very rarely. 169 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: I think the first time I traveled, honestly was Bob 170 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: Guiney season, and so you I think it was Russ 171 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: wouldn't that his name? You went to think maybe Sedona 172 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: or something Yep, Okay, So do you remember. Do you 173 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: remember the story about Russ and the kiss and how 174 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: sick you were? 175 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: I don't remember. 176 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: Tell me it was the same thing where one of 177 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: the producers was like, you were you were feeling terrible. 178 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: You were really sick and feeling horrible, and you're like, guys, 179 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: I just want this to be over. I just want 180 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: to go to bed. Tell me how I can make 181 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: this end. And they said, well, if you'll kiss him. 182 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: Remember that. 183 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: It actually sounds very similar to when I was in 184 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: Hawaii with Alex Michelle. So he was sick in bed, 185 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: and I think that I probably I remember going to 186 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: his room just to hang out, but he was he 187 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: was totally sick. These days, if someone was sick because 188 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: of potential COVID, you would not be able to go 189 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: to his room and just say hi, you know, so, 190 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: oh yeah, I remember being an Alex. I do not remember. 191 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: I have such a horrible memory. I mean, it's just 192 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: it's just gone. 193 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: This is what's crazy. I remember that. I think Alex 194 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: was sick because you guys went on a helicopter ride 195 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: and he got heir sick. He got heir sick. You're right, 196 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: So the poor guy was throwing up puking and then 197 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: they're like going for a kiss. 198 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: So amazing. It's amazing looking back at that and knowing 199 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 2: how many helicopters they've had on the show, and the 200 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: first one ended up with the leap puking in it, 201 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: So why do they constantly right? 202 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: Why do we do this anymore? 203 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: I know? 204 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: You know, the most unromantic thing in the world is 205 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: two is the air the hot air balloon ride, because 206 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: what you're not seeing is the two or three other 207 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: people shoved in this basket. Everybody is literally touching, you know, 208 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: there's one there's a camera set up, and it's like 209 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: it's the most unromantic moment ever, but we make it look. 210 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: Very much produced. 211 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, very much produced. Going back to the naivete, I 212 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: will still say your group of guys the greatest group 213 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: of bachelors we have ever assembled. That has to do 214 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: with a lot of things. I think the timing, the guys, 215 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: the innocence of the moment. But it was a spectacular 216 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: group of guys. I'm friends with many of them. 217 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually Ryan was watching the finale with me, so Blakesley, 218 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: my daughter, of course, wanted to watch this season because 219 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: we met Joey at the Golden wedding, so you know, 220 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: she's kind of locked in and she wasn't here. So 221 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: Ryan watched the finale with me and he was saying, 222 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: just that, you know, the girls on this season, there 223 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: was a little bit of drama, but like in the end, 224 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: what they were talking about, how was kind of like 225 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 2: out of out of nowhere, it's never happened before. Was 226 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: the word that the girls were actually like supporting each 227 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 2: other in the end, the last two girls, and they 228 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: were talking about, you know, the girls in their bond, 229 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: and Ryan was like, I our season was the best, 230 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: Like our guys were the best. Like everyone got along. 231 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: He said. He remembers one of the guys saying he 232 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: didn't know if it was Charlie, but one of the 233 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: guys saying, if she doesn't end up with me, I 234 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 2: really want her to end up with you. 235 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: Like that does not say I think it was so Charlie. 236 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: And Charlie was your number two who I actually ran 237 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: into not too long ago in Las Vegas. Remember I 238 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: think I told you about that, Yes, yes, yes, and 239 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: we caught up. It was so wild. This guy came 240 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: up to me. It's like Chris Harrison was like, holy 241 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: crash Charlie just what a blast in the past. And 242 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: of course Bob Guiney famously was on your season. You 243 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: didn't choose Bob. 244 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: I didn't. What were my friends to this day? 245 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: Exactly? I yelled, well, y'all host the podcast together. 246 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: Exactly. 247 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean think about that, and we and when 248 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: we did your show, there was no such thing as 249 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: a podcast, There was no such thing as a blog. 250 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: We didn't have to deal with any of that crap. 251 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: The worst thing we dealt with was maybe after the season, 252 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: Entertainment Tonight or People magazine would try to do something 253 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: that was it. 254 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: You're right. I remember specifically going on gosh, what was it? 255 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: The Today Show? With what is? Katie Couric was the 256 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: person who interviewed me, and I was completely starstruck. And 257 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: Matt Lowery that was really fun. And then of course 258 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: they switched everything from NBC Today Show to Good Morning 259 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 2: America for you know, for everything, of course, which makes 260 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: sense because it's an ABC show. But that was really 261 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: really that was really fun for me because you know, 262 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: I was this Midwestern girl who had lived in Miami 263 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: and it was all fun for me. It was it 264 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: was It was a crazy whirlwind and that was kind 265 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: of a little bit of icing on the cake because 266 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: the cake was Ryan. I'm sure you're not being. 267 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Compared to cake well, and people have to like put 268 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: in perspective if if the show is doing good now, 269 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: that means it's averaging just under or just at three 270 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: million viewers. Yeah, your show was over thirty million. Over 271 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: thirty million viewers. It's hard to put in perspective. And again, 272 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: it was a different time in television. I'm not comparing 273 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: the two because you can't. Television is so different. But 274 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: that's the point is there was no social media, but 275 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: it was so big. And I will tell a story 276 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: to try and put in perspective how big it was. 277 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: There was this show called Alias with Jennifer Garner, Bradley 278 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: Cooper and all these big stars that was on and 279 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: that was on ABC. Was the big show. Trista and 280 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: I went to the Super Bowl. There was the Super 281 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: Bowl in San Diego with Tampa Bay and the Raiders 282 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: were playing, and you and I were there, and so 283 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: the biggest stars on the planet. You know, Jennifer Garner 284 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: was huge at the time. When Trista walked in, the 285 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: place shut down everybody that they were knocking, knocking, Jennifer 286 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: Garner over to get to Trista, and it was just 287 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: it was the level of stardom, the level of craziness. 288 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: And back then there was no there wasn't a late 289 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: night show. That It was actually at that Super Bowl 290 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: when they announced Jimmy Kimmel was going to do the 291 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: late night show. So you went on Jay Leno, you 292 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: were on the Today Show. That would never happen. Now 293 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: you got to go suck up to Kimmel. You got 294 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: to go suck up to GMA and People met and 295 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: People Magazine owns The Bachelor, so you're you know, People 296 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: Magazine will never say anything bad about The Bachelor. They're 297 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: always going to get the story that whole. You know, 298 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: they're all in cahoots. That wasn't the case with you. 299 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: Definitely not. And I did Howard Stern like Oprah. Oprah 300 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: is where the wedding came from. You know, she she 301 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: wanted to have the wedding on her show. It was, 302 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: it was, it was massive. It's funny that I love 303 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: seeing it through your eyes or hearing about seeing it 304 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: through your eyes, because I don't remember that being Like 305 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: what I remember about the Super Bowl was that I 306 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: freaking got to sat next to sit next to Bradley 307 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: Cooper because I was a massive fan of Alias and 308 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: to this day too like freaking love him and Jennifer 309 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: Garner too, Like I am huge fans. So that's all 310 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: I remember about it is how starstruck I was. But 311 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: you're right, it was. I think they said it was 312 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: thirty one million people tuned into the final episode when 313 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: we got engaged. 314 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, the biggest episode ever was Aaron Bergie's finale that 315 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: was thirty three million. Your season is the highest averaged 316 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: ever from start to finish. 317 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: No, it you know, something that was definitely not expected. 318 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: Like you said in the beginning, it was very controversial. 319 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: I mean I got called every name in the book 320 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 2: by the past. You know that I was going to 321 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: look like a slut and who am I to be 322 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: dating twenty five guys at one time and all this, 323 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: So I probably went, you know, to the opposite extreme, 324 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: like that moment when I was on the beach with 325 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: Jamie and he was like, well, could I give you 326 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: a kiss? And I was like maybe on the cheek. 327 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: Jamie Blithe. So you think of the popularity of you 328 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: and the show, and by the way kudos because I 329 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: always say, of all the people that have been able 330 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: to transition and stay relevant with the show, with the fans, 331 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: with everything, it's you. You have mastered that and it's brilliant. 332 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: And I say, is brilliant because you did not have 333 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: social media good or bad. First of all, I would add, 334 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: do you wish it was a different time? Say you 335 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: had the stardom, the numbers, the press, everything, and you 336 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: had you could be a social media influencer. First of all, 337 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: you'd be a bajillionaire. 338 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: But gosh, I don't think I could do it. Brian 339 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: and I have talked about that. I am so sensitive. 340 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: I would go on the message boards. So back then 341 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 2: it was like the precursor to social media. It was 342 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: message boards. So you go on ABC dot com and 343 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: they would have a message board tab and you could 344 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: click on all these different links about what people were discussing. 345 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: And of course it was like Trista walks like a duck, 346 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 2: and Trista has a baby talk and Trista this and 347 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: that and the other thing. And I would look at 348 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: everything because hello, I'm a curious human, and I would 349 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: get upset. I do not think I would survive mentally, 350 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: the social media terrors that they have to go through, 351 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: Like the death threat that people get is ridiculous. It 352 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: is so horrifying. Yeah, the hatred, I hate that. It 353 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: is so much of it is about hatred. And even 354 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: if it's like this much, that's. 355 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: What you focus on on a lot of it is 356 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: bots and stuff that don't they're not even yeah, they're 357 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: not even real accounts. I mean, I went through that 358 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: when I was going through my thing. You know, I'm 359 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: used to it because I've been doing this for over 360 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: thirty years. But you know, the death you get, death threats, 361 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: you get hate, you get all this stuff. I've gotten 362 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: that for decades. I just don't go on social media 363 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: and cry about it. It's just it is what it is. 364 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: But you go back and if sometimes if you look 365 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: at those accounts, you're like zero followers, zero, you know, 366 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: it's like they're bots. They're they're fake, but they are 367 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: made to initiate and distir this crap up, and it's 368 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: it is. It's horrible. It's tough to deal with, especially 369 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: for someone like you. And I've always defended bachelor's and 370 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: bachelorettes and people on the show because say what you will. 371 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 1: I know you think you know what you signed up for, 372 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: but you don't. There's no way to prepare you for that. 373 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: No, you can't. You can think that you're going to 374 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: be able to handle it, but you can't until you're 375 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: in that position. And I want to go back and 376 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: say thank you. That was very nice of you to 377 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: say about staying relevant. I don't think I'm relevant that 378 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: much these days because I am old and I'm the 379 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: old gal, like you know, the OG that's what I say. 380 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: The OG stands for. 381 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm telling you to this day. And literally I 382 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: just went to I just went to Missoo where Lauren 383 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: went to school, and inevitably it always happens, people come 384 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: up and say, oh my gosh, my favorite season was 385 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 1: Trista and that Firefighter. For some reason, they never remember 386 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: Ryan's name. He's always the firefighter. But I'm telling you 387 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: you to this day, which is remarkable because again this 388 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: is twenty two years. That's essentially two generations of humans 389 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,239 Speaker 1: that have grown up. They still watch and know you 390 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: and find you and find your season. That's really it 391 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: really is remarkable. 392 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: That's very sweet. I honestly think I have a thought 393 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: on this is I just recently heard that your memories, 394 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: the ones that you remember, are the ones that are 395 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: tied to some kind of emotion. Right. So a lot 396 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: of people, which I'm sure you get this all the time, too, 397 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: watched the show during like difficult times when their mom 398 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 2: was dying, or when they were having a baby, or 399 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: they got together with a group of people and they 400 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 2: put on their wedding gowns as like the party that 401 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 2: you know, they were watching the Bachelortte finale. So I 402 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: feel like so many people back in the day when 403 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 2: it was innocent and people didn't talk about the editing 404 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: and the villains and the you know whatever, the production 405 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: of it all. It was more just about the love story, 406 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: and I feel like people were emotionally tied to it. 407 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: A lot of people at least were emotionally tied to 408 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: it because of how they were watching, who they were 409 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: watching with, and then of course the end result and 410 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: that was, you know that we got married and are happy. 411 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, I love that. I love that people have 412 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 2: this positive memory of all of it because obviously it's 413 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 2: it's my happening. 414 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: When people ask me about my time on the show, 415 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: I say, I have no misgivings about it, and it 416 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: was a blessing and one of the because of my 417 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: relationship with just those people you're talking about. I hear 418 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: all the time someone sits down and say, you know, 419 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: I never got to talk to my mom or my daughter, 420 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: but on Monday nights or Wednesday nights, was when you 421 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: were on was was when we would connect and when 422 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: we'd get together, or this is what we would watch 423 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: in the hospital when my daughter was sick. And you 424 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: hear a lot of those stories and you're right, it 425 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: got them through tough times, or just kids that come 426 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: up and say you were my childhood, which is really 427 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: makes me feel old, but it's wonderful. It's like you 428 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: like you were my childhood because my mom was always 429 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: watching and so I would That's how I would come 430 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: in and connect and so it is a It was 431 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: a great thing for that and I relish and we'll 432 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: always love and respect that connection that I had with 433 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: twenty year's worth of people growing up and you know, 434 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: going through these memories, it's wonderful. I want to talk 435 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: about because you just said, Blakesley, watch the finale and 436 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: watch the show. Was that the you did you go 437 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: back and watch your show with the kids. Two kids 438 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: by the way, mad Max and Blakeslee. 439 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: Yep. Max is sixteen and Blakesley is almost fifteen. So 440 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: two teenagers in the house, which is crazy town. But 441 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: as you know, they have not watched our season, and 442 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: they've watched a little bit of the wedding little snippets 443 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: at least Blakesley has. Max has no interest whatsoever. 444 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: He wants to play hockey and you know, go break stuff. 445 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. He just wants to play hockey and be 446 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: with his girlfriend. He's had a girlfriend since the first 447 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: day of school who we love. Wow. Wow, I know, 448 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: it's crazy, It really is crazy. So yeah, no, we 449 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: haven't shown them, and you know, maybe someday, blake Sti'll 450 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: look it up on whatever it'll be on and see it. 451 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: Of course, we have VHS tapes and I've saved a 452 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: VCR just for that purpose because I'm like. 453 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: Right, exactly, I think it's got to be up somewhere 454 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: I haven't looked, but it's got to be up on 455 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 1: like Hulu or one of those sites I assume, you know. 456 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: By the way, a little bit of Bachelor trivia, the 457 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: first Bachelor baby was Max. Yep, he was and Max 458 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: the first Bachelor baby was born July twenty sixth, on 459 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: your birthday, which is my birthday. It was two thousand 460 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: and seven, so we're a couple of years apart. But yeah, 461 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: Max's boorn July twenty six I was so excited. I 462 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: got so happy when I heard you, you know, had 463 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: had Max on on a bird. It's like it just 464 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: it was a full circle moment for sure. 465 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 2: I mean, you couldn't plant it better. 466 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: I thought he'd be named Christopher or maybe Maxwell Christopher, 467 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: but you know that's fine. 468 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's so crazy. And then like Blakeslee 469 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: has a birthday with Andy Dorfman and Becca Krufrien. It's 470 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: such a small world. 471 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess there's thousands of us now, so 472 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: it's bound you guys. I just want to catch up 473 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: on how you're doing. You're now living in Denver, so 474 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: if for those sad souls that are still going to 475 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: veil trying to go by the firehouse to see Ryan, 476 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: he is not there. That that always cracked me up. 477 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: We would go skiing from time to time and we'd 478 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: always see you guys, and we'd swing by the firehouse 479 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: to see Ryan. And I mean a constant stream of 480 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: people going to the firehouse to see Peep, to see Ryan. 481 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: But you guys are living in Denver. How is life? 482 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? 483 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: Life is great. We decided to make the move because, well, 484 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 2: first of all, Ryan had been commuting from Vale to Denver, 485 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: which is like a two hour drive maybe for about 486 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: two or three years. And even though he was like 487 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 2: okay with it in his mind because he loves the 488 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 2: mountains so much, he's like, I don't want to leave, 489 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: it was the right decision. Like being in skier traffic 490 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: because there's only two lanes on the highway most of 491 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: the way, it is stressful. And he was going through 492 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: lime disease at the time, which he still has, but 493 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: he was really in a bad place in terms of 494 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: his health at that point. So that was a big 495 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 2: draw for us. His parents live like five minutes away 496 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 2: from us, which is great. And then Max really wanted 497 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 2: to change it up a little bit. He wanted kind 498 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: of an elevated academic and athletic experience, and so we 499 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 2: found an incredible school here and Blakesley's at an incredible 500 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: new dance academy, our dance studio. So I feel like 501 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: you know, we were in a very small town. Veil 502 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: is a very small town, and really we we loved it. 503 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: You know, we love the community. The mountains are incredible. 504 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: They grew up skiing, you know, they can they can 505 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: go on the mountain by themselves now, which is kind 506 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: of unheard of who didn't grow up around it. But 507 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: they're good there. It's just, you know, big cities offer 508 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: a lot more opportunity and that was kind of the 509 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: the catalyst for our decision was really thinking about the opportunity. 510 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: So we're settling in. We still are finding our way 511 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: and meeting friends, and who knows, we might maybe we'll 512 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: stay here, maybe we'll go back to the mountains. Maybe 513 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: we'll follow our kids wherever they go to college. Who knows. 514 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, you don't know. Things are going to 515 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 1: change so dramatically in the next three to five years. 516 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: Everything will be turned upside down, or as I like 517 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: to say on the show, everything is about to change. 518 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it's true. 519 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: Where they go to college, what they end up doing, 520 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: and it is it's a wonderful time. There's a lot 521 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: of angst. You're going to get to that, like, Okay, 522 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: where are they going to school and getting them there. Trista, 523 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: Joshua was about to graduate. He's graduating. This may like 524 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: he's out of school, yes, like he is twenty two 525 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: years old and graduating cars. 526 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: Well you can say that makes him twenty two. Well 527 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 2: it's funny because people don't know this. But I sent 528 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: you a text the other day because you know, as 529 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: as going through moves, I'm still going through boxes. And 530 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: I went through a box of Christmas cards and I 531 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 2: sent you a text with two of your old Christmas 532 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: cards with your cute little babies on them, as I 533 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: did with like ten other friends. I was like, how 534 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: cute is this? Like I save these credit cards? Are 535 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: these Christmas cards? Just because I love seeing people's pictures. 536 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: I love, you know, the connection to my friend. But 537 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I cannot believe he's graduating college. 538 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: I do like, I love this. This is like what 539 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: you sent me. 540 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: Look at those babies. 541 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: I got the cutest text from Trista. This is what 542 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: I love about Trista and just the show in general, 543 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: that just the friends I've made or whatever. And this 544 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: is still to this day and I don't even know 545 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: where this picture is. This is of the kids in 546 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: Italy when we were shooting in Italy. Yes, and they 547 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: were walking down the street. This is what would have 548 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: been Lorenzo Burghazy season of The Bachelor, and uh, you said, 549 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: I thank you, thank you for sending me the old 550 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: Christmas cards because I don't have these and I can't 551 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: believe you did. But I appreciate it that when they 552 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: got those my heart. 553 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: I have sent them to you like in the mail. 554 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: No, I mean, who's going to keep those anyway? It's like, no, 555 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: I have the pictures, but it was. It just hit 556 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: me and I'm like, oh, it just goes by so fast, 557 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: it just blows by. 558 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: I know, Chris, I don't know, like you've successfully figured it. 559 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: Out, but I don't know about that. 560 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: Well, yes you have, Yes, you have. You're happily married again, 561 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: You're doing a podcast, you're doing married, all of these things. 562 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: Your things are falling in line, which I'm so happy 563 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: for you for. But I am really struggling with, like 564 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: finding my identity, knowing that my kids are going to 565 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: be out of the house because I've dedicated the last 566 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: sixteen years of my life plus sixteen years plus to 567 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: my to Ryan the family. Like I was a physical 568 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: therapist and then with that to go do the show 569 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,239 Speaker 2: the show, and so I'm really struggling with it. It 570 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: makes me really sad, just a wee. 571 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: Lauren and I just did a podcast on this and 572 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: we talked about it in depth of and I'm not 573 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: putting this out there in the universe, but it's just 574 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 1: it was a statistic of one of the leading causes 575 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: of divorce, and that was the topic we were talking about. 576 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: And how you know, as as a husband like Ryan, 577 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 1: must be cognizant of the fact that you were going 578 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 1: to go through something really traumatic and it's greed and 579 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: it's real and you have to find yourself and both couples, 580 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: both you know people and a couple need to be 581 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: cognizant of the fact that it's big. It's big change, 582 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: and it's big for the person that's been out working 583 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: every day to understand that this person that's been home 584 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: and grinding and driving to hockey and driving to dance 585 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: and doing all these things now has to find space 586 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: in this world. And it is it's very real, and 587 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you are cognizant of it and thinking 588 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: of it, because yeah, it's it is going to be 589 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: something you'll have to deal with for sure. 590 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really haven't thought about it, like in terms 591 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: of that. I did when I was doing my Better 592 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: et cetera podcast, I did have someone, a grief expert, 593 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: come and talk about grief, and she did talk about 594 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: like different kinds of grief because it's not just losing someone, right, 595 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: And so you're right, like I will, I will go 596 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: through grieving and just knowing that, knowing what to expect 597 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: because I am going to be a puddle on the floor, 598 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: like I don't know what I'm what I'm going to do. 599 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: Blakeslee and I are especially really close, and it's going 600 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: to be so hard. 601 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: I cry. I cried like a baby. Dropping both my 602 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: kids off at college. 603 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure. 604 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: And then now there's the last right like with Joshua, 605 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: his last you know, lacrosse games are coming up, there's 606 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: senior night coming up, there's graduate, all these things, and 607 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I got emotional. We went and looked at 608 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: apartments because he's moving out of his you know, college 609 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: and he's got to get an apartment in a job, 610 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: and so we're in that phase of life and you're 611 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: just like, so there's all these phases and they're all 612 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: great and they're wonderful, and you realize you're blessed, but 613 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it doesn't hit you in the heart. Yeah, 614 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: And I'm glad that Ryan's doing better because I know that, 615 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, you guys with a lime disease, which is 616 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: such a bizarre, mysterious disease that goes undiagnosed for so long, 617 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: which exacerbates what happens, and uh, we were all so worried. 618 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm glad he's doing good. 619 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's better. I mean he's he definitely had a 620 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: lot of ups and down still and really would like 621 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: to feel better at least most of the time. He 622 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: says that he's about eighty percent. I would go to 623 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: his doctor's appointments with him because he is so incredibly 624 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: humble too, so he's not going to be like, oh, 625 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: I don't want to complain about like whatever's going on 626 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: with me, even if it's really significant. I would tell 627 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 2: his doctors, like, you don't understand. He has an incredibly 628 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: high pain tolerance. So if it was me that was 629 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: going through what he's going through, I would be bedridden 630 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: every single day and maybe even hospitalized, like he is 631 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: able to get through through this because you're right, he's 632 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 2: freaking superhuman. I don't understand it. 633 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: I've said along if there was a category of greatest 634 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: athletes ever to have been on this franchise in twenty 635 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: two years, it's Ryan. I mean, he's the guy that 636 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: he you know, played played college football, played professional football, 637 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: could have picked up basketball. He's that guy. If you 638 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: invent a sport the next day, he's the best at it. 639 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: And it just it's crazy what a phenomenal athlete this 640 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: guy is. I mean, that's why he was such a 641 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: good firefighter. It's like, the guy is a freak. And 642 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: so yeah, for when you see him knocked on his ass, 643 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, that is that's for real scary. 644 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very scary. So when he like actually succumbs 645 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: to it and gives in to the fact that he's 646 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: not feeling well, because usually he'll push through it. He'll 647 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 2: be like, oh whatever, I'm still going to go to 648 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 2: work and we're going to be doing twelve hours of 649 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 2: training at the firehouse today, but I'm still going to 650 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 2: go and oh whatever, I'm still going to skin up 651 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 2: this mountain. And like, I have never understood it, but 652 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 2: I'm grateful because had he not had the kind of 653 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 2: tolerance that he has, it would have been even even harder. 654 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 2: And it was and it still is. But thank you. 655 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you guys are good, and I'm glad 656 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: life is good, and I so value a your friendship 657 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: and of course your time to come on the show. 658 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: I truly am one of the greatest gifts to come 659 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: out of this franchise, and it was you and our 660 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: friendship and the fact that you and I have stayed 661 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: friends for wow, twenty two years. Now, twenty two years, 662 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: like it's so crazy. 663 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 2: I mean, and I think you were there the first 664 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 2: day that I came for my interview at the office 665 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 2: of you there. 666 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just happened to be there at the 667 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: old Telepictures Next Entertainment. Yes, yeah, that blonde hair. 668 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh right, yes, this was it, the Spikey. 669 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: Here blonde hair beautiful. Oh man. Well, I appreciate I 670 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: so appreciate you, and give my love to Ryan and 671 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys are doing great, and of course 672 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: I will see you soon somewhere. 673 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, I I'm here, all of those sentiments, 674 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 2: love you, appreciate you great well for you, and please 675 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 2: give Lauren and the kids a hug for me too. 676 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: I'll do it. Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram 677 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: at the most dramatic pod ever, and make sure to 678 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: write us a review and leave us five stars. I'll 679 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: talk to you next time.