WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Changing Tunes? 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:12.000 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:13.880 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.840 Cowboys. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:24.160 This He's Talking Cowboys Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:25.520 World Tours at. 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:32.839 The Star in Frisco. SECS Dot Tixon, Today. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:39.839 Texdown, and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:41.720 and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.760 It's a Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.760 Rifle Coffee Company from the Star in Frisco in the 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:53.600 WBC studios. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:55.200 We are live as always. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.160 We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.880 to rock today with Patrick Nocy, Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.640 stand Back. I'm Kyle Yeomans with Chris Beam in the back. 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:05.000 Glad you're with us. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:05.480 Everyone. 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.319 The twenty twenty five season is officially over. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.279 It's over. Our twenty four season. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.039 Yeah, thank goodness, everybody, It is done. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.480 Hopefully twenty five is not over. Yeah over. Twenty five 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:18.560 is just getting started. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.720 Everybody's rowing zero and fire Nico okay, continue. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.440 Well, okay, so we're starting. We even on the air. 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.800 This is the first time that we've talked about it 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:29.520 since that happened. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.759 No I alluded to it last time and say. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.080 Yeah, last week we talked. We kind of briefly turned 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.240 to it, but you didn't want. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:35.679 To talk about it. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.039 I still don't want to talk to this on it. 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:39.520 He's escorting twelve year olds. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.039 Especially after last night when you lose on a buzzer 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.399 beater to Tomato Rosen in the Raptor or the not 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.039 the Raptors. He used to play on the Raptors, but 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.680 the Kings, and then and then there's a guy that 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:53.040 played in La So anyways, also another thing I don't 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.320 want to talk about, but we certainly do have to 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:56.520 talk about Kyle. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.800 No, we do. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.040 We kind of do. Super Bowl fifteen. So that happened 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.160 something that the Iggles. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.639 Yeah, they won something opened they won it. Philadelphia wins. Congratulations, 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:10.480 forty to twenty two. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.399 They got it done. Are you surprised? 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.080 I was surprised in the manner in which it happened. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:18.240 I was not surprised that. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:18.840 They were the result. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.720 Okay, they entered with the best team and they had 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.400 the best the best team, best roster, best makeup, I 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.960 mean all of it. And they had the motivation too. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.440 You could tell like it was all year, best roster, 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.320 not all year. You said the best team all year. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.000 They have best roster year in terms of roster construction, I. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.040 Was the best offensive line and defensive line. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:40.400 Yeah. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:40.560 No. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.600 The reason I say this is because I heard you 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.760 say team got you, and I was going to say, well, no, 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:45.880 that would have been Detroit. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:46.360 Yeah. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.800 Roster wise, there nobody argued that Philly had the best roster. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.440 Even when we were going into the penultimate week of 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.120 the regular season it was Dallas and Philadelphia. We were 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.839 looking at it and saying, oh, look, they're the number 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:03.000 one offense and they're the number one rated defense. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.560 That's pretty good they got dudes. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.160 Man, We've always given credit to how aggressive. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.720 I mean, even though we're Cowboys, right yea, even though 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:11.639 we don't like even though we. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.519 Don't like them, we still have to acknowledge the fact 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.520 that they do a dog on a good job at 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.920 acquiring talent. That's what's frustrating about it is frustrating, especially 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:21.600 when you look at the comparisons in terms of the 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.120 spin number side by side. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.639 If you're looking at just the team, excellent team, excellent team, 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.160 fan base, I'm not talking about it, you know what 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:30.440 I mean? 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.440 Like the city, the food, they're like. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.560 You know, I like a cheese steak every now and again. 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.320 Just that's it. That's pretty much. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.800 It just drill into the ground and make it not 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.440 a part of the America, you know. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.000 Take it and move it somewhere somewhere else. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.160 You know, I mean objectively like like we're all saying, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:53.360 objectively speaking, you have to give how we rose first rate, 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.840 for how he constructed that roster and how willing he 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.680 is to be aggressive in things like free agency. Now, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.040 it's also true they they mostly don't draft will unless 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:06.480 they're drafting Georgia talent. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.440 Like this is Geane and Quin weren't from Georgia the fair. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.560 But listen, listen, this has to this whole narrative of 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.120 drafting Jesus and develop and this has to stop, Like 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:20.440 the conversation has to stop. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:20.800 Just don't. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.160 I'm personally tired of hearing about it. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.920 You're saying the the inhas so emphasis, the emphasis on 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.479 your guys having to pan out, Like I'm tired of 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.560 that conversation. Yeah, and I know that's been the way 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.359 that's liking you guys like you know, you like And 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.320 that's true, right, you draft your guys you like you guys. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.120 You develop your guys, but all guys don't develop, You 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:40.560 know what I'm. 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.920 Saying, Like, there are all guys don't develop. There can 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.080 be very much. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.560 So so like this whole thing where I'm so locked 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.560 in and I'm so keen on my guys that I'm 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.159 willing to just disregard and close my eyes to everybody. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.640 Like, screw that, you're like with one hand tied behind it. Yeah, 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.480 Like like if you're not addressing free age. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.280 Philadelphia has been to the Super Bowl how many times 0:04:58.320 --> 0:04:59.640 in the last five six years? 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.440 Three? Three? Screw going back. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:07.440 The develop portion of it. Build your team, you hope, 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.039 throw money, you hope. No, listen, listen, you hope that 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.320 you're able to do it through the draft. I'm being serious, Like, 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.000 you hope because that's the most financially feasible way, right, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.360 That's the that's the cleanest. 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:17.560 Way to do it. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:22.120 However, if that is not working, get your butt in 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.400 position roster wise to compete. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.480 So if the holes are there, don't ignore them. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:28.760 Yeah. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.320 Like That's why I have such a high regard for 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.400 Howie Roseman, because he he says, screw it, I'm supposed 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.520 to do. My job is to put these guys in position, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.120 and I think that the management here has done a 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.480 good job of building talent, right, But the one element 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.039 that they've been resistant to is going outside of their 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.560 comfort zone and going outside the Cowboys bubble and bringing 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.040 guys in consistently to plug those gaps, right, because they're like, oh, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.320 we got to worry about the cap, Oh we gotta 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.680 worry screw it. You know, you know what we said 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.440 this last couple years ago, right, the Rams said, what 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.360 screw it, we'll do with it later. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:06.400 What did they walk away with? 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:08.960 They walked away to Super Bowl and then they walked 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.080 away with what they walked away with. Some playoffs run 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.280 this year too, Yeah, right back to the playoffs. They 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.000 went back to the playoffs with a roster that is 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.680 nowhere near filled out. But guys have developed, right, and 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.040 they graduated a couple of pieces that they built through 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:20.479 the draft. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.120 That's awesome, right, it's not only the draft. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:24.960 It's not only the draft, thank you very much. 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.560 So, like sometimes you gotta look at which if you 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.920 do what you have always done, you'll get what you've 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.479 always gotten. And I feel you feel, I don't know, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.000 this is just a feeling thing, gal, When you hear 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.960 Stephen Jones speak because I think there's this there's this 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.800 weird dichotomy, right, I think that mister Jones, right, Jerry 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.400 Jones is the one who still speaks on behalf of 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.200 the brand, right your head. He's the figure, right, he is. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.040 He is the Dallas Cowboys. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:55.159 Right. 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.679 So he's gonna speak and he's gonna make it sound pretty, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.279 and I'm gonna talk around it and you know, enough stuff, 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.880 you know, to tantalize the taste buds. And then when 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.240 Steven gets on the Mike, Stevens like, look, this is 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.440 what it is, right, And it's just these two personalities 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.040 that you really see in prison whenever those guys present. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.240 And I think when you hear not to say that, 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:14.840 you don't get the real for mister Jones. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.040 But I feel like when Steven gets to Mike, Steven 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.160 is a he seems. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.240 Like a very black and white guy. Like he got 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.080 the mic, he was like, yeah, so yeah, Dak was 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.160 very much so a part of this, a part of 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.160 his decision white shining. Uh yeah, this is exactly what 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:28.960 we're doing. Uh yeah, We're gonna have to make some 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.400 changes in terms of how we go about you know, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.440 saying acquiring guys like yeah, I feel as if you're 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.360 starting to I think the message is starting to get clearer. 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:38.560 Message message. 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.960 So let me let me add on to this, because 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.640 when we talk to him in mobile, it was really 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:48.360 it was me, Tommy, Nick Harris, and one other reporter 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.320 that we're in the building and it was just us 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.960 four in a back hallway of South Alabama's press box, 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.840 the weirdest spot you could possibly have it. I thought 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.560 he was very real with us. And if you haven't 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.400 watched the go watch it Dallas Cobys dot com. It's 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.680 on the YouTube channel. It's on Dallas Cowboys dot com. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.040 Go watch it. But he talked to us a little 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.520 bit before. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.160 That, about two minutes before that, in about four or 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:14.640 five minutes after that, and I think you're right in 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.040 the past I would I would say he's just as 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:22.760 good at at not addressing the elephant in the room 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.960 as his father, as Jerry, and that's been a part 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.760 of them being businessmen all the way through. I think 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.720 the message has been heard and the frustration has been reached. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.200 They aren't happy, and that was the sense that I've got. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.560 I've been around Stephen Jones since twenty nineteen and even 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.160 beyond because I did some stuff with Highland Park football 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.640 when John Stephen Jones was stuff. So I've known Stephen 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.760 since twenty seventeen, and the more I've talked with him, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.280 the more I've seen, Okay, he knows how to handle 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.960 the media. He knows how to handle his words and 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:54.679 knows how to craft them in a certain way to 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.720 send a message. I thought the message he sent to 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:03.280 us at South Alabama during the Senior Bowl was it's 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.360 it should change. He didn't say it's going to change, 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.760 but he's saying it should change because what we've been 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.640 doing and this is a direct quote from him, maybe 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.520 maybe paraphrased a little bit, but what we've been doing 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.440 has not been working, so something has to change. And 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.439 that's the first time I've heard them say that it's 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.000 got to get the first time period. So I believe 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:23.839 it when I see it, because I've been around this 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.560 organization for long enough too to see a lot of 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.440 words don't necessarily mean anything. That time I got a 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.480 sense that it did. I think it did. I think 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.160 it did mean anything. Well, you finally got the word 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.920 from the right person. I think that's a part of 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.560 it too. If the narrative change is changing, at least 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.480 it's starting there. And then now you're seeing this coaching staff, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:43.480 how it's been put together. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.920 Coaching staff is tremendous. You really have really. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.600 Had, Like there's a lot of silver lining that. Of course, 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.280 it's bittersweet now because the Eagles just won the Super Bowl. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:53.480 Like it it's not. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:54.079 Gonna I think it. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.319 I think it serves the maximum lesson for the get Boys. 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.720 Look how the is bookended. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.239 It began with one of the most inactive free agencies 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:06.040 I've seen. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.320 Well before that in the same press box, Cherry said 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:09.480 all in, and so. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:10.320 There's the frog all in. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:14.560 And then the antithesis of that as defined by most 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.360 of civilization, okay, occurred. And then you go through the 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.240 season fast forward, through everything that happened, the death issues 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.880 and the production issues in the first half, and scheme 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.320 issues whatever whatever, and injuries, and now you go to 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.640 the playoffs and who wins it but your direct rival, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.360 who is the polar opposite of you, and free agency 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:40.360 the polar opposite. So that serves the maximum lesson because 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.200 I think that if the Chiefs did win, and I 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.440 was I was rooting for the Chiefs to win. Let's 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.199 be clear, I did not want the Eagles to get 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.680 another I just my petty is my pity. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.280 But now that we've been very clear, yeah, I won't 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:56.560 just want Philly. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.400 Some of us have allegiance to the team. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:03.559 That I want nothing, whether it be Cowboys, my brain, 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.280 I want nothing good for the Philadelphia fan base. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.880 That's nothing. That being said, they did win the Super Bowl. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.480 So so what you can do is now use that 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:14.640 as a lesson. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:15.120 For the guys. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:16.400 How do you respond? 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:17.400 How it goes? 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.040 And I love what you guys are saying about the 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.480 Stephen Jones versus Jerry Jones dynamic. I was having this 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.800 conversation with Tommy this time yesterday morning, and I said, 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:27.480 Jerry is the salesman. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.320 Whether you like what he's selling or not, he's selling you. 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.839 Steven is more print on paper. Steven's the finance guy 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:34.200 sitting there. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.880 Stephen has more print on paper. Stephen is less the 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.320 salesman and more so, this is where we are. So 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.079 when you start to hear Steven change his tone, which is. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:44.800 What I'm hearing, it's definitely a tone. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.160 I cannot stress this enough. Kylin Out we were all 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.080 the same show me, show me, show me that. 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.240 Being said, I like what I'm hearing from Stephen because 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.880 these are things we haven't heard before the press conference 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.720 with Schottenheimer. When you hear Stephen Jones say when the 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.000 question I posed to him was what could you take 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.720 from a team like the Eagles in free agency and 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.200 their approach that can help the Cowboys going forward? 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.240 This is Stephen Jones. He said, Yeah, I think you 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.439 certainly look at that. He said, I think you look 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.280 at your competitors and your conference's what's going to take 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.000 to have success, whether it's the forty nine ers or 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:18.880 the Eagles. You ask yourself, what does it take to 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.360 beat the forty nine ers, What does it take to 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.720 beat the Rams. These are comments that change the narrative 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.960 of what we know from Stephen Jones. Yes, he is 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.480 the we like our guys guy, he's that guy. Yes, 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.200 we know it's bye, but we're hearing less of that 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.959 this offseason and more of what Kyle is saying, the 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.480 conversations he's having in the back room of the press box, 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:39.880 saying something's got to change. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:40.200 Yeah. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.240 So and again we're waiting to see it, and hopefully 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.439 we see it. But I will say from a coaching 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.800 staff standpoint, which is the first and foremost thing. Oh, 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.360 they're knocking that out the part and this. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.360 Might be the title of the episode. But actions speak 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.080 louder than work. Yeah, play and yeah, that's too long 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:03.120 of it. Maybe just actions speak louder, action speak louder words. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.520 And we've seen a little bit of action. The slight 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.400 action we've seen has been the higher of Brian Schottenheimer. 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.880 Which say what you may show me. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:12.760 A lot of people haven't liked it, a lot of 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.599 people do like it. We'll see at the end of 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.760 the day, and then but the staff behind it, Schottenheimer 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.160 has looked tremendous. 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.240 It's it's what you can do at this point is 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.600 being done. Yes, what you can do, the things that 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.560 you can change or being changed. Granted you didn't have 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:28.240 coaches in. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.120 Place, you can still go sign Micah. That would be 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:31.240 another thing that you can do. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.040 He's putting a lot of the thing that I like, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.640 and I probably could hit this in news and notes. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.920 I would imagine that we need to address we are going. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.080 To go to coaching. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.120 Okay, so I'll just say this without getting into the weeds. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:49.400 I feel as if Schottenheimer is putting guys in position 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:54.480 to do what they do best. He's not asking coaches 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.080 to go outside of their realm, correct, right, He is saying, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.239 what are you expert at? 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:02.520 Bring that here? 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.079 Yeah, so I want to do I want to go 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.440 a little deeper into that because I completely agree with 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.480 you going back to the conversation that you were just having, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.680 and we're talking about the Eagles and how they built 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.280 to get there. It is a combination of both. There 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.280 is draft and development, for sure, but there's also the signing. 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.560 I looked up to two Rocky show up in a 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:21.800 major way, no doubt about it. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:26.520 Degene and and uh yeah, absolutely so. On the opposite 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.280 side of things, here's here's how they've changed their starting 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.960 lineup from Super Bowl fifty seven to super Bowl fifty nine. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.200 When they were there the first time. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.000 And they lost, they had nine different starters this time 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.720 around on the defensive side of the football, which would 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.600 you agree that the defense is what won that game? 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.200 Film absolute, that's unbelievable. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:46.360 So two years were alone. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.320 Two years ago, years ago, they had nine different starters 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.040 from there from their group that went to the super 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.120 Bowl the first time around, So there's that element to it. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.720 They drafted Jalen Carter, drafted Jordan Davis, drafted Nolan Smith. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:14:59.320 Got it right. 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.200 All three of those guys are dogs. They were in 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.200 the right place at the right time. Nolan Smith was 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.720 a guy that had injury concerns. They said, screw the 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.480 injury concerns, We're going to draft the dude. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.760 And one of their main contributors to that defense is 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.640 on ir Inn Kobe Deane. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.880 Yeah he is. Yeah, yes, he was drafted as well. Yeah. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.840 Now, they also drafted Quinon Mitchell Cooper de Jean, who 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.040 we talked about as rookies. They got the right contribute 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:27.480 or contribution from two very important rookies and two very 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:28.480 good rookies. 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.000 And they addressed a need, addressed a need that they 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.600 had last year because the secondary was not what it 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.160 was like they had and they tried. They traded for 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.880 somebody last year. I don't even remember who it was, 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.960 but that didn't work out. It didn't get them over 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.680 the hump. So then into the offseason they said, okay, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.560 well let's draft the best available players in the secondary 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.040 of the position of need. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:53.760 Well, that's thee. They grabbed CJ. They grabbed CJ. Gardner Johnson, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:58.560 They signed him. They signed uh, what's his name or 0:15:58.680 --> 0:15:59.920 in is it Orn Burks? 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:00.880 What's his name? 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.760 Who start started the Yeah? Orin Burks the linebacker signed 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.280 him from San Francisco. Uh, he started as well. Zach Bond. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:12.480 They fined him Bond. Bond wasn't even a highly vaultable 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:13.840 free agent, but he worked out. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:14.200 Yep. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.760 So even you've got the draft and developed, he got 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:18.000 the sign and developed. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.840 Finished the top ten in defense rankings. Yeah, he was 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:22.920 an All Pro and he had an incredible got the bag. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.960 So yeah, they got a number of guys and they 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.560 just got the bag. Milton, Yeah, just got the bag 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:28.680 with two sads Williams. 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:29.120 Oh. Yeah. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.840 The bottom line is you build both ways. Yeah, you 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.240 have to have to find a way to balance that scale. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.320 And so this is why I've said time and time 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.920 again and again, Uh, they're going to sell what they're 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.960 going to sell. I don't begrudge them. Whatever they're trying 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.560 to sell, it doesn't mean I have to buy. So 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.920 when you're talking about salary cap management and things like that, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.080 and we'll get into this, uh you know later in 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.320 the show and as the off season rules along, but 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.040 we're talking free agency, we're talking about being willing to spend. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.200 You can't sell me on you know, well the money's 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.800 not there. It will be there, and it can be there. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.880 You can free upset seventy five million just by three 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.040 triggers being pulled. You could pull out another eighty five ninety. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.119 I mean it can happen. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:08.520 So we just business. 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.360 You've done stage one, as we have this conversation, play 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.800 with scary of money. No you can't. We've done stage one. 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:18.359 The Cowboys have this coaching staff looks sensational. It looks sensational. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.520 Now what you need to do is get the personnel 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.359 on the field for these coaches to be able to cook. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.919 And that doesn't mean waiting until the NFL Draft. That 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.240 doesn't mean leaning so heavily on Will McClay and his 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:36.240 scouting department that you don't that you're completely overlooking holes 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.920 that can be filled palls by talented free agents. Even 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.560 if you don't want to overpay and Wave one, Wave 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.639