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Speaker 2: Everyone.
Speaker 5: The twenty twenty five season is officially over.
Speaker 2: It's over. Our twenty four season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank goodness, everybody, It is done.
Speaker 2: Hopefully twenty five is not over. Yeah over. Twenty five
Speaker 2: is just getting started.
Speaker 4: Everybody's rowing zero and fire Nico okay, continue.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we're starting. We even on the air.
Speaker 5: This is the first time that we've talked about it
Speaker 5: since that happened.
Speaker 2: No I alluded to it last time and say.
Speaker 7: Yeah, last week we talked. We kind of briefly turned
Speaker 7: to it, but you didn't want.
Speaker 6: To talk about it.
Speaker 2: I still don't want to talk to this on it.
Speaker 2: He's escorting twelve year olds.
Speaker 5: Especially after last night when you lose on a buzzer
Speaker 5: beater to Tomato Rosen in the Raptor or the not
Speaker 5: the Raptors. He used to play on the Raptors, but
Speaker 5: the Kings, and then and then there's a guy that
Speaker 5: played in La So anyways, also another thing I don't
Speaker 5: want to talk about, but we certainly do have to
Speaker 5: talk about Kyle.
Speaker 6: No, we do.
Speaker 2: We kind of do. Super Bowl fifteen. So that happened
Speaker 2: something that the Iggles.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they won something opened they won it. Philadelphia wins. Congratulations,
Speaker 5: forty to twenty two.
Speaker 2: They got it done. Are you surprised?
Speaker 5: I was surprised in the manner in which it happened.
Speaker 5: I was not surprised that.
Speaker 2: They were the result.
Speaker 5: Okay, they entered with the best team and they had
Speaker 5: the best the best team, best roster, best makeup, I
Speaker 5: mean all of it. And they had the motivation too.
Speaker 3: You could tell like it was all year, best roster,
Speaker 3: not all year. You said the best team all year.
Speaker 3: They have best roster year in terms of roster construction, I.
Speaker 6: Was the best offensive line and defensive line.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: The reason I say this is because I heard you
Speaker 4: say team got you, and I was going to say, well, no,
Speaker 4: that would have been Detroit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Roster wise, there nobody argued that Philly had the best roster.
Speaker 5: Even when we were going into the penultimate week of
Speaker 5: the regular season it was Dallas and Philadelphia. We were
Speaker 5: looking at it and saying, oh, look, they're the number
Speaker 5: one offense and they're the number one rated defense.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good they got dudes.
Speaker 3: Man, We've always given credit to how aggressive.
Speaker 2: I mean, even though we're Cowboys, right yea, even though
Speaker 2: we don't like even though we.
Speaker 3: Don't like them, we still have to acknowledge the fact
Speaker 3: that they do a dog on a good job at
Speaker 3: acquiring talent. That's what's frustrating about it is frustrating, especially
Speaker 3: when you look at the comparisons in terms of the
Speaker 3: spin number side by side.
Speaker 7: If you're looking at just the team, excellent team, excellent team,
Speaker 7: fan base, I'm not talking about it, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean?
Speaker 6: Like the city, the food, they're like.
Speaker 5: You know, I like a cheese steak every now and again.
Speaker 2: Just that's it. That's pretty much.
Speaker 7: It just drill into the ground and make it not
Speaker 7: a part of the America, you know.
Speaker 5: Take it and move it somewhere somewhere else.
Speaker 4: You know, I mean objectively like like we're all saying,
Speaker 4: objectively speaking, you have to give how we rose first rate,
Speaker 4: for how he constructed that roster and how willing he
Speaker 4: is to be aggressive in things like free agency. Now,
Speaker 4: it's also true they they mostly don't draft will unless
Speaker 4: they're drafting Georgia talent.
Speaker 5: Like this is Geane and Quin weren't from Georgia the fair.
Speaker 3: But listen, listen, this has to this whole narrative of
Speaker 3: drafting Jesus and develop and this has to stop, Like
Speaker 3: the conversation has to stop.
Speaker 6: Just don't.
Speaker 2: I'm personally tired of hearing about it.
Speaker 3: You're saying the the inhas so emphasis, the emphasis on
Speaker 3: your guys having to pan out, Like I'm tired of
Speaker 3: that conversation. Yeah, and I know that's been the way
Speaker 3: that's liking you guys like you know, you like And
Speaker 3: that's true, right, you draft your guys you like you guys.
Speaker 3: You develop your guys, but all guys don't develop, You
Speaker 3: know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, Like, there are all guys don't develop. There can
Speaker 2: be very much.
Speaker 3: So so like this whole thing where I'm so locked
Speaker 3: in and I'm so keen on my guys that I'm
Speaker 3: willing to just disregard and close my eyes to everybody.
Speaker 7: Like, screw that, you're like with one hand tied behind it. Yeah,
Speaker 7: Like like if you're not addressing free age.
Speaker 3: Philadelphia has been to the Super Bowl how many times
Speaker 3: in the last five six years?
Speaker 2: Three? Three? Screw going back.
Speaker 3: The develop portion of it. Build your team, you hope,
Speaker 3: throw money, you hope. No, listen, listen, you hope that
Speaker 3: you're able to do it through the draft. I'm being serious, Like,
Speaker 3: you hope because that's the most financially feasible way, right,
Speaker 3: That's the that's the cleanest.
Speaker 2: Way to do it.
Speaker 3: However, if that is not working, get your butt in
Speaker 3: position roster wise to compete.
Speaker 6: So if the holes are there, don't ignore them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like That's why I have such a high regard for
Speaker 3: Howie Roseman, because he he says, screw it, I'm supposed
Speaker 3: to do. My job is to put these guys in position,
Speaker 3: and I think that the management here has done a
Speaker 3: good job of building talent, right, But the one element
Speaker 3: that they've been resistant to is going outside of their
Speaker 3: comfort zone and going outside the Cowboys bubble and bringing
Speaker 3: guys in consistently to plug those gaps, right, because they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: we got to worry about the cap, Oh we gotta
Speaker 3: worry screw it. You know, you know what we said
Speaker 3: this last couple years ago, right, the Rams said, what
Speaker 3: screw it, we'll do with it later.
Speaker 2: What did they walk away with?
Speaker 3: They walked away to Super Bowl and then they walked
Speaker 3: away with what they walked away with. Some playoffs run
Speaker 3: this year too, Yeah, right back to the playoffs. They
Speaker 3: went back to the playoffs with a roster that is
Speaker 3: nowhere near filled out. But guys have developed, right, and
Speaker 3: they graduated a couple of pieces that they built through
Speaker 3: the draft.
Speaker 6: That's awesome, right, it's not only the draft.
Speaker 2: It's not only the draft, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: So, like sometimes you gotta look at which if you
Speaker 3: do what you have always done, you'll get what you've
Speaker 3: always gotten. And I feel you feel, I don't know,
Speaker 3: this is just a feeling thing, gal, When you hear
Speaker 3: Stephen Jones speak because I think there's this there's this
Speaker 3: weird dichotomy, right, I think that mister Jones, right, Jerry
Speaker 3: Jones is the one who still speaks on behalf of
Speaker 3: the brand, right your head. He's the figure, right, he is.
Speaker 3: He is the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 3: So he's gonna speak and he's gonna make it sound pretty,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna talk around it and you know, enough stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, to tantalize the taste buds. And then when
Speaker 3: Steven gets on the Mike, Stevens like, look, this is
Speaker 3: what it is, right, And it's just these two personalities
Speaker 3: that you really see in prison whenever those guys present.
Speaker 3: And I think when you hear not to say that,
Speaker 3: you don't get the real for mister Jones.
Speaker 2: But I feel like when Steven gets to Mike, Steven
Speaker 2: is a he seems.
Speaker 3: Like a very black and white guy. Like he got
Speaker 3: the mic, he was like, yeah, so yeah, Dak was
Speaker 3: very much so a part of this, a part of
Speaker 3: his decision white shining. Uh yeah, this is exactly what
Speaker 3: we're doing. Uh yeah, We're gonna have to make some
Speaker 3: changes in terms of how we go about you know,
Speaker 3: saying acquiring guys like yeah, I feel as if you're
Speaker 3: starting to I think the message is starting to get clearer.
Speaker 6: Message message.
Speaker 5: So let me let me add on to this, because
Speaker 5: when we talk to him in mobile, it was really
Speaker 5: it was me, Tommy, Nick Harris, and one other reporter
Speaker 5: that we're in the building and it was just us
Speaker 5: four in a back hallway of South Alabama's press box,
Speaker 5: the weirdest spot you could possibly have it. I thought
Speaker 5: he was very real with us. And if you haven't
Speaker 5: watched the go watch it Dallas Cobys dot com. It's
Speaker 5: on the YouTube channel. It's on Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 2: Go watch it. But he talked to us a little
Speaker 2: bit before.
Speaker 5: That, about two minutes before that, in about four or
Speaker 5: five minutes after that, and I think you're right in
Speaker 5: the past I would I would say he's just as
Speaker 5: good at at not addressing the elephant in the room
Speaker 5: as his father, as Jerry, and that's been a part
Speaker 5: of them being businessmen all the way through. I think
Speaker 5: the message has been heard and the frustration has been reached.
Speaker 5: They aren't happy, and that was the sense that I've got.
Speaker 5: I've been around Stephen Jones since twenty nineteen and even
Speaker 5: beyond because I did some stuff with Highland Park football
Speaker 5: when John Stephen Jones was stuff. So I've known Stephen
Speaker 5: since twenty seventeen, and the more I've talked with him,
Speaker 5: the more I've seen, Okay, he knows how to handle
Speaker 5: the media. He knows how to handle his words and
Speaker 5: knows how to craft them in a certain way to
Speaker 5: send a message. I thought the message he sent to
Speaker 5: us at South Alabama during the Senior Bowl was it's
Speaker 5: it should change. He didn't say it's going to change,
Speaker 5: but he's saying it should change because what we've been
Speaker 5: doing and this is a direct quote from him, maybe
Speaker 5: maybe paraphrased a little bit, but what we've been doing
Speaker 5: has not been working, so something has to change. And
Speaker 5: that's the first time I've heard them say that it's
Speaker 5: got to get the first time period. So I believe
Speaker 5: it when I see it, because I've been around this
Speaker 5: organization for long enough too to see a lot of
Speaker 5: words don't necessarily mean anything. That time I got a
Speaker 5: sense that it did. I think it did. I think
Speaker 5: it did mean anything. Well, you finally got the word
Speaker 5: from the right person. I think that's a part of
Speaker 5: it too. If the narrative change is changing, at least
Speaker 5: it's starting there. And then now you're seeing this coaching staff,
Speaker 5: how it's been put together.
Speaker 2: Coaching staff is tremendous. You really have really.
Speaker 7: Had, Like there's a lot of silver lining that. Of course,
Speaker 7: it's bittersweet now because the Eagles just won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: Like it it's not.
Speaker 2: Gonna I think it.
Speaker 4: I think it serves the maximum lesson for the get Boys.
Speaker 2: Look how the is bookended.
Speaker 4: It began with one of the most inactive free agencies
Speaker 4: I've seen.
Speaker 5: Well before that in the same press box, Cherry said
Speaker 5: all in, and so.
Speaker 2: There's the frog all in.
Speaker 4: And then the antithesis of that as defined by most
Speaker 4: of civilization, okay, occurred. And then you go through the
Speaker 4: season fast forward, through everything that happened, the death issues
Speaker 4: and the production issues in the first half, and scheme
Speaker 4: issues whatever whatever, and injuries, and now you go to
Speaker 4: the playoffs and who wins it but your direct rival,
Speaker 4: who is the polar opposite of you, and free agency
Speaker 4: the polar opposite. So that serves the maximum lesson because
Speaker 4: I think that if the Chiefs did win, and I
Speaker 4: was I was rooting for the Chiefs to win. Let's
Speaker 4: be clear, I did not want the Eagles to get
Speaker 4: another I just my petty is my pity.
Speaker 2: But now that we've been very clear, yeah, I won't
Speaker 2: just want Philly.
Speaker 6: Some of us have allegiance to the team.
Speaker 3: That I want nothing, whether it be Cowboys, my brain,
Speaker 3: I want nothing good for the Philadelphia fan base.
Speaker 2: That's nothing. That being said, they did win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: So so what you can do is now use that
Speaker 3: as a lesson.
Speaker 2: For the guys.
Speaker 6: How do you respond?
Speaker 2: How it goes?
Speaker 4: And I love what you guys are saying about the
Speaker 4: Stephen Jones versus Jerry Jones dynamic. I was having this
Speaker 4: conversation with Tommy this time yesterday morning, and I said,
Speaker 4: Jerry is the salesman.
Speaker 3: Whether you like what he's selling or not, he's selling you.
Speaker 3: Steven is more print on paper. Steven's the finance guy
Speaker 3: sitting there.
Speaker 4: Stephen has more print on paper. Stephen is less the
Speaker 4: salesman and more so, this is where we are. So
Speaker 4: when you start to hear Steven change his tone, which is.
Speaker 2: What I'm hearing, it's definitely a tone.
Speaker 4: I cannot stress this enough. Kylin Out we were all
Speaker 4: the same show me, show me, show me that.
Speaker 3: Being said, I like what I'm hearing from Stephen because
Speaker 3: these are things we haven't heard before the press conference
Speaker 3: with Schottenheimer. When you hear Stephen Jones say when the
Speaker 3: question I posed to him was what could you take
Speaker 3: from a team like the Eagles in free agency and
Speaker 3: their approach that can help the Cowboys going forward?
Speaker 4: This is Stephen Jones. He said, Yeah, I think you
Speaker 4: certainly look at that. He said, I think you look
Speaker 4: at your competitors and your conference's what's going to take
Speaker 4: to have success, whether it's the forty nine ers or
Speaker 4: the Eagles. You ask yourself, what does it take to
Speaker 4: beat the forty nine ers, What does it take to
Speaker 4: beat the Rams. These are comments that change the narrative
Speaker 4: of what we know from Stephen Jones. Yes, he is
Speaker 4: the we like our guys guy, he's that guy. Yes,
Speaker 4: we know it's bye, but we're hearing less of that
Speaker 4: this offseason and more of what Kyle is saying, the
Speaker 4: conversations he's having in the back room of the press box,
Speaker 4: saying something's got to change.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So and again we're waiting to see it, and hopefully
Speaker 4: we see it. But I will say from a coaching
Speaker 4: staff standpoint, which is the first and foremost thing. Oh,
Speaker 4: they're knocking that out the part and this.
Speaker 5: Might be the title of the episode. But actions speak
Speaker 5: louder than work. Yeah, play and yeah, that's too long
Speaker 5: of it. Maybe just actions speak louder, action speak louder words.
Speaker 5: And we've seen a little bit of action. The slight
Speaker 5: action we've seen has been the higher of Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 2: Which say what you may show me.
Speaker 5: A lot of people haven't liked it, a lot of
Speaker 5: people do like it. We'll see at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, and then but the staff behind it, Schottenheimer
Speaker 5: has looked tremendous.
Speaker 7: It's it's what you can do at this point is
Speaker 7: being done. Yes, what you can do, the things that
Speaker 7: you can change or being changed. Granted you didn't have
Speaker 7: coaches in.
Speaker 5: Place, you can still go sign Micah. That would be
Speaker 5: another thing that you can do.
Speaker 3: He's putting a lot of the thing that I like,
Speaker 3: and I probably could hit this in news and notes.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that we need to address we are going.
Speaker 5: To go to coaching.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll just say this without getting into the weeds.
Speaker 3: I feel as if Schottenheimer is putting guys in position
Speaker 3: to do what they do best. He's not asking coaches
Speaker 3: to go outside of their realm, correct, right, He is saying,
Speaker 3: what are you expert at?
Speaker 2: Bring that here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I want to do I want to go
Speaker 5: a little deeper into that because I completely agree with
Speaker 5: you going back to the conversation that you were just having,
Speaker 5: and we're talking about the Eagles and how they built
Speaker 5: to get there. It is a combination of both. There
Speaker 5: is draft and development, for sure, but there's also the signing.
Speaker 2: I looked up to two Rocky show up in a
Speaker 2: major way, no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: Degene and and uh yeah, absolutely so. On the opposite
Speaker 5: side of things, here's here's how they've changed their starting
Speaker 5: lineup from Super Bowl fifty seven to super Bowl fifty nine.
Speaker 2: When they were there the first time.
Speaker 5: And they lost, they had nine different starters this time
Speaker 5: around on the defensive side of the football, which would
Speaker 5: you agree that the defense is what won that game?
Speaker 5: Film absolute, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: So two years were alone.
Speaker 5: Two years ago, years ago, they had nine different starters
Speaker 5: from there from their group that went to the super
Speaker 5: Bowl the first time around, So there's that element to it.
Speaker 5: They drafted Jalen Carter, drafted Jordan Davis, drafted Nolan Smith.
Speaker 2: Got it right.
Speaker 5: All three of those guys are dogs. They were in
Speaker 5: the right place at the right time. Nolan Smith was
Speaker 5: a guy that had injury concerns. They said, screw the
Speaker 5: injury concerns, We're going to draft the dude.
Speaker 3: And one of their main contributors to that defense is
Speaker 3: on ir Inn Kobe Deane.
Speaker 2: Yeah he is. Yeah, yes, he was drafted as well. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Now, they also drafted Quinon Mitchell Cooper de Jean, who
Speaker 5: we talked about as rookies. They got the right contribute
Speaker 5: or contribution from two very important rookies and two very
Speaker 5: good rookies.
Speaker 7: And they addressed a need, addressed a need that they
Speaker 7: had last year because the secondary was not what it
Speaker 7: was like they had and they tried. They traded for
Speaker 7: somebody last year. I don't even remember who it was,
Speaker 7: but that didn't work out. It didn't get them over
Speaker 7: the hump. So then into the offseason they said, okay,
Speaker 7: well let's draft the best available players in the secondary
Speaker 7: of the position of need.
Speaker 5: Well, that's thee. They grabbed CJ. They grabbed CJ. Gardner Johnson,
Speaker 5: They signed him. They signed uh, what's his name or
Speaker 5: in is it Orn Burks?
Speaker 2: What's his name?
Speaker 5: Who start started the Yeah? Orin Burks the linebacker signed
Speaker 5: him from San Francisco. Uh, he started as well. Zach Bond.
Speaker 5: They fined him Bond. Bond wasn't even a highly vaultable
Speaker 5: free agent, but he worked out.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 5: So even you've got the draft and developed, he got
Speaker 5: the sign and developed.
Speaker 2: Finished the top ten in defense rankings. Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: an All Pro and he had an incredible got the bag.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they got a number of guys and they
Speaker 3: just got the bag. Milton, Yeah, just got the bag
Speaker 3: with two sads Williams.
Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The bottom line is you build both ways. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: have to have to find a way to balance that scale.
Speaker 4: And so this is why I've said time and time
Speaker 4: again and again, Uh, they're going to sell what they're
Speaker 4: going to sell. I don't begrudge them. Whatever they're trying
Speaker 4: to sell, it doesn't mean I have to buy. So
Speaker 4: when you're talking about salary cap management and things like that,
Speaker 4: and we'll get into this, uh you know later in
Speaker 4: the show and as the off season rules along, but
Speaker 4: we're talking free agency, we're talking about being willing to spend.
Speaker 4: You can't sell me on you know, well the money's
Speaker 4: not there. It will be there, and it can be there.
Speaker 4: You can free upset seventy five million just by three
Speaker 4: triggers being pulled. You could pull out another eighty five ninety.
Speaker 4: I mean it can happen.
Speaker 6: So we just business.
Speaker 4: You've done stage one, as we have this conversation, play
Speaker 4: with scary of money. No you can't. We've done stage one.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys have this coaching staff looks sensational. It looks sensational.
Speaker 3: Now what you need to do is get the personnel
Speaker 3: on the field for these coaches to be able to cook.
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean waiting until the NFL Draft. That
Speaker 3: doesn't mean leaning so heavily on Will McClay and his
Speaker 3: scouting department that you don't that you're completely overlooking holes
Speaker 3: that can be filled palls by talented free agents. Even
Speaker 3: if you don't want to overpay and Wave one, Wave
Speaker 3: two still has some substantial talent from outside the building.
Speaker 3: So yes, try to keep your oss and your Jordans,
Speaker 3: but go and get some of these other guys that
Speaker 3: are falling off of some of these other rosters. Mister
Speaker 3: Jones's reply to that, I would imagine is that we
Speaker 3: have two guys currently at the top three of their
Speaker 3: positions in terms of salaries, and we're about to have
Speaker 3: a third.
Speaker 4: Congratulations that third that you're about to have if you
Speaker 4: And this is why there's only.
Speaker 2: So many pieces of the pie. There's only so many
Speaker 2: people that high. I don't hear. I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear about no pie. I don't hear about the pie.
Speaker 2: It's only pie about Listen. At the end of the day.
Speaker 4: This is also a great lesson and hopefully they've learned
Speaker 4: it as far as extending players contracts early and not late.
Speaker 4: If you extend Michael Parson's contract this year, you can
Speaker 4: free up almost eighteen million dollars towards the cap for
Speaker 4: this year's off season.
Speaker 2: Sir long, okay.
Speaker 4: If you wait until next season when his contract is expiring,
Speaker 4: it becomes a massive hit to extend the contract.
Speaker 2: These are the games that.
Speaker 4: Are being played very well by teams like the Eagles.
Speaker 4: To forty nine is the Rams. So when you are
Speaker 4: ready to do an extension, don't wait.
Speaker 3: Don't don't So what happens when people say what about
Speaker 3: kicking the can you.
Speaker 6: Play that game with Dak Prescott and you kick what happened?
Speaker 2: Kick it still toe kick it?
Speaker 3: Listen, man, Brandon Aubrey, that all the way down the
Speaker 3: bill is gonna come do Okay, when when has it here?
Speaker 3: When the salary cap gets bigger, it increases fifteen, it's
Speaker 3: not gonna go up that much.
Speaker 6: But in five years and ten years the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Fact, what you're saying is the Cowboys are always protecting
Speaker 3: themselves for what hasn't happened, correct and what wouldn't happen
Speaker 3: for a long time to come.
Speaker 4: And then by the time it happens, you can finesse
Speaker 4: it another way because there are new options.
Speaker 2: So that's finishing it.
Speaker 3: So when we say don't play with scared money, I
Speaker 3: know mister Jones's reply is going to be, well, that's
Speaker 3: the highest paid CDs the second highest paid, Mike is
Speaker 3: about to be the highest paid. So we're not playing
Speaker 3: with scared money. We're spending money. I know that's going
Speaker 3: to be the reply. But on the other end of that,
Speaker 3: you also have to say, well, in terms of this
Speaker 3: protecting the salary cap thing, you've never been in salary
Speaker 3: cap hill, Like you know what I'm saying you've never been.
Speaker 2: You never had your back.
Speaker 3: All the way up against the wall where you couldn't
Speaker 3: sign guys or you couldn't manipulate guys contract. It hasn't happened, right,
Speaker 3: So to say that this is the reason why we
Speaker 3: don't go out and acquire guys, you've never been, you
Speaker 3: never face that lash, of course.
Speaker 2: Right, So like, what are you protecting? Right? Because face
Speaker 2: exactly right.
Speaker 3: So Philadelphia, on the other hand, says, all right, Brandon
Speaker 3: Aubrey kicking this thing all the way down the road,
Speaker 3: and everybody says, what, Oh this's gonna hit them. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be so bad. For that's always a reply
Speaker 3: by people, Oh it's gonna be so bad. They're gonna
Speaker 3: be the situation that they can't three Super Bowl appearances.
Speaker 3: You know what, because it's it's a three.
Speaker 4: It's it's not a static situation, a fluid the salary
Speaker 4: cap situation is fluid. So you're preparing for this inevitability.
Speaker 4: To suppose it inevitability. Let's say, let's say, based on
Speaker 4: how the numbers and everything look in twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: that if you handle things a certain way, then O,
Speaker 4: the sky's gonna start falling. In twenty twenty nine. Let's
Speaker 4: say that's that's the logical argument. Well, the problem with
Speaker 4: that argument, the flaw in that argument and that logic
Speaker 4: is that by the time twenty twenty eight twenty twenty
Speaker 4: nine rolls around, they're gonna be different variables that have
Speaker 4: changed to allow you to manipulate it, to push that
Speaker 4: inevitability down the road another four five years. This is
Speaker 4: what the Rams do, This is what the Eagles do,
Speaker 4: this is what the forty nine ers do. And I
Speaker 4: want the Cowboys to start doing it. Stop being afraid
Speaker 4: of an inevitability that by the time it arrives no
Speaker 4: longer beability.
Speaker 6: And what do those teams often do?
Speaker 2: Free agency?
Speaker 6: Free agency and they kind of get deep into the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Hold on, but talk about the Rams. I know, we
Speaker 3: gotta go to break the Rams. Okay, the Rams. We're
Speaker 3: in the worst situation that you would ever imagine.
Speaker 2: And still right, they were in.
Speaker 5: The worst side of the Saints right now.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, the Saints are terrible, right, but I'm talking
Speaker 3: about the Rams.
Speaker 2: Just said the heck with it.
Speaker 3: They went out and got you everybody, right, the Rams
Speaker 3: went out and acquired everybody.
Speaker 2: They said the heck with the salary cap.
Speaker 3: Thing. We know next year is going to be trash.
Speaker 3: We're going all in, chips, all in. And what happened?
Speaker 3: They walked away with the dog on Lombardi right the
Speaker 3: next year?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: Boo? They lost all their guys and then the best
Speaker 3: player in football says, you know what, I'm gonna shut
Speaker 3: it down. They lost the best player in football in
Speaker 3: the thirties, early thirties, shut it down. They had what
Speaker 3: one down year right back, and you know what, you
Speaker 3: went to the second round.
Speaker 2: I'm going to pull a cow. You know why.
Speaker 4: And this is the difference between the Rams and a
Speaker 4: team like the Saints, for example.
Speaker 2: The coaching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the level of coaching that you have and the
Speaker 3: coature that you have can help you bounce back from that.
Speaker 2: Yep very quickly.
Speaker 3: Yes, or when you do hit that wall, you get
Speaker 3: stuck in that pick because.
Speaker 5: Because your coaching allows guys like Pooka Naku to become
Speaker 5: a valid fast wide receivers in football and.
Speaker 2: Gives you the option to trade one of your other great.
Speaker 5: Wide receivers in football this offseason and not have a problem.
Speaker 4: And this was my Kyle, because it brings us back
Speaker 4: to the Cowboys coaching staff.
Speaker 5: You're darn right going to the Cowboys coaching staff. Let's
Speaker 5: talk about it. What they have been able to control
Speaker 5: so far, They've controlled it to a high degree.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk talk about each of the hires.
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Speaker 5: looks like when we come back with more talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't have that ability to see it. What
Speaker 5: we have seen is the Cowboys coaching stead. Oh, let's
Speaker 5: go pretty good list. We talked a little bit about
Speaker 5: the coordinators last year. Uh, you've got Clayton Adams on
Speaker 5: the offensive side of the ball, coming over from Arizona
Speaker 5: where he had not Calin plays. Though not Calin plays.
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Speaker 5: The veteran and former head coach of the Chicago Bears,
Speaker 5: former linebackers coach on Jason Garrett's staff before he went
Speaker 5: to go be the d C with the Indianapolis Colts,
Speaker 5: Matt ibra Flus.
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Speaker 5: Thought you know't talk about the Martini glass. Nick Sorensen
Speaker 5: is the special teams coordinator.
Speaker 6: He comes over as Tony Brenca.
Speaker 2: Actually okay, drink oh was it? Sorry?
Speaker 5: The uh special teams coordinator after being the defensive coordinator
Speaker 5: with the.
Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 5: Last time he was a special teams coordinator was in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one with the Jacksonville Jaquas Jagua. So other
Speaker 5: than that, Sean Patrick, I want you to run down
Speaker 5: the offensive staff. What do we have that is official?
Speaker 2: So far? Official? So far?
Speaker 4: So we know Clayton Adams is in the books, and
Speaker 4: we know that Derek Foster Lunda Wells, Connor Riley. We'll
Speaker 4: get to that because I could not love that pick.
Speaker 2: Great. Those are definitely in the books.
Speaker 4: What's being finalized is quarterbacks coach Steve Shimko, who has UH.
Speaker 4: He was in the building last year, but he also
Speaker 4: has a pre existing relationship with Schoenheimer from their time
Speaker 4: together with the Seattle Seahawks junior Adams wide receivers coach.
Speaker 4: He is going to take that role and be advising
Speaker 4: Taekwan Underwood, who joined officially the coaching staff last week
Speaker 4: as assistant wide receivers coach. Just flattop, yep, mister flattop kid,
Speaker 4: if you will kidd in play, ain't going body so
Speaker 4: those guys are who's who being finalized along with passing
Speaker 4: game coordinator offensive passing game coordinator Ken Dorsey, former coordinator
Speaker 4: and coach of the Cleveland Browns, previously a quarterbacks coach,
Speaker 4: A long time quarterbacks coach is uh and he's expected
Speaker 4: to join the organization any day now. I think they're
Speaker 4: working out the finality of his contract. So once those
Speaker 4: deals come to fruition and paper, a lot of firepower,
Speaker 4: a lot of wisdom, it's a lot of you know
Speaker 4: what's beautiful about it though, And we'll talk about the
Speaker 4: defensive side, but when you look at the totality of
Speaker 4: Schottenheimer's staff, it's a it's a perfect mix of experience,
Speaker 4: infel experience, and young mindedness. So you got guys who
Speaker 4: are coming over like like the Organ guy.
Speaker 7: Well, okay, speaking Igon guy. He's also talking about j
Speaker 7: Washington guy.
Speaker 4: I wanted to say the Organ guy because what their
Speaker 4: offense looked like last year.
Speaker 6: Well, Junior Adams.
Speaker 2: If it's a U guy, you know it's good. Okay.
Speaker 5: I did a little bit of a I did a
Speaker 5: little research on mister Adams. He's he's a California cat,
Speaker 5: played at Oregon State, played at Montana State was a
Speaker 5: wide receiver, and he's been in the college career all
Speaker 5: the way throughout. You want to know the best wide
Speaker 5: receiver he's coached at a high level. Would you like
Speaker 5: to take play a little play a little game here?
Speaker 2: Ye's go.
Speaker 5: You said the best, the best wide receiver that's had
Speaker 5: NFL success by this point.
Speaker 6: Was he a Washington or Oregon.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to tell you because it would give
Speaker 5: it a way, So I'll give you the names of
Speaker 5: the schools that he's been at. You want to go
Speaker 5: by that. Yeah, so Oregon from twenty two to twenty
Speaker 5: four Yeah, I see what you Washington twenty nineteen to
Speaker 5: twenty one, What you did here, Western Kentucky twenty seventeen
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen, Boise State twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen before that,
Speaker 5: Eastern Washington twenty nine to twenty thirteen, and then yeah,
Speaker 5: Eastern Washington.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, do you know who he coached.
Speaker 5: At Eastern Washington?
Speaker 2: Let me see here it is.
Speaker 5: He he goes by the name of I wish I
Speaker 5: had a cup right here.
Speaker 2: Here's a cup right here? Oh, thank you everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a Cooper cup, a Cooper cup. But he did
Speaker 2: he coached.
Speaker 5: Cooper Cup during his time at Eastern Washington. Interesting, just
Speaker 5: to keep in mind, he did so for two seasons
Speaker 5: twenty two or twelve and thirteen before.
Speaker 2: Of course, Cooper Cup was a third round pick.
Speaker 6: So you're saying news that we can't talk about trades here.
Speaker 2: But I didn say.
Speaker 3: Anything about trade. I said a chance, but they didn't coach.
Speaker 3: You don't know I'm talking about I.
Speaker 2: Didn't that cut Cooper good.
Speaker 4: Anyway, there's a I love the young minded this. I mean,
Speaker 4: these are guys bringing fresh ideas from the collegiate level. Well,
Speaker 4: and we talked about this last even tho the one
Speaker 4: bringing fresh ideas from a collegiate level.
Speaker 5: Before we get to Connor Riley. Isaiah brought this up
Speaker 5: last week. When it's when you see a fan base
Speaker 5: upset that you lose a certain coach, which Clayton Adams
Speaker 5: was Arizona was assist upset an assistanteat an assistant, not
Speaker 5: a coordinator, assistant going and getting a guy like Junior Adams,
Speaker 5: going and getting Junior Adams. Oregon is beside themselves. They
Speaker 5: are not happy Oregon duckster and upset.
Speaker 7: Connor Riley too, And who did Connor Riley coach Cooper
Speaker 7: b B.
Speaker 2: And there's this other there's another guy.
Speaker 6: There's another guy from Kansas.
Speaker 4: State, not not Therice dudes, Connor Riley coming over from
Speaker 4: Kansas State. First of all, to Cole's point, when you
Speaker 4: see a fan base that is losing a coach get
Speaker 4: up in arms about losing the coach, you know you
Speaker 4: got something good. And Kansas State they they were very
Speaker 4: disappointed in having losing, losing Connor Riley because they know what.
Speaker 6: They're losingas state Kansas.
Speaker 2: How many university did we make angry so far?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Kansas State, Oregon, Oregon, in Arizona and that's I mean Cardinals.
Speaker 3: We made them angry though, right, you did three the
Speaker 3: organizations off just now colleges are organizing the defensive standpoint.
Speaker 2: You pissed off the Jets, off the Jets, So.
Speaker 3: We made the Jets angry, We made the occrdo's anger,
Speaker 3: make Kansas stay angry, and we made I love the organ.
Speaker 2: I'm about it. It's just how we feel. Eagles, you understand,
Speaker 2: I get it. You hate Green teams, I get it,
Speaker 2: But things from them, I'm with that. Even if we
Speaker 2: if we can't win it, go ahead and win it
Speaker 2: so we can take it from as far as taking
Speaker 2: things from guys.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know we're talking offense, but even on
Speaker 4: the others, on on the third side of the ball,
Speaker 4: which is special teams, you get Nick Sorenson, so you
Speaker 4: get some of that Kyle Shanahan Tree football. I Q
Speaker 4: intail at least it's can you imagine the bills here?
Speaker 5: He gets to know he's a special teams coordinator, but
Speaker 5: he can have some impact.
Speaker 3: Intel a playbooks a very I'm interested to know how
Speaker 3: these offensive as they instill and create this new offense, right,
Speaker 3: because now you're in the shoddy offense, right, it's not
Speaker 3: the it's not the the McCarthy offense is the shot coach.
Speaker 3: So there's gonna be elements that are going to because system,
Speaker 3: but there's gonna be a lot of new Can we
Speaker 3: call it the shotgun? Oh my god, goodness, I see
Speaker 3: what you did there, dear God. Oh sorry, play side,
Speaker 3: don't hop on the State the State website right now
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Speaker 2: Probably about hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: I would love to see the meeting of minds as
Speaker 3: they create this offense because there's so many expertise and
Speaker 3: there's so many different schemes that all have to collectively
Speaker 3: come together and agree. Now, there's obviously one voice that
Speaker 3: has a lot more weight than others, but he is
Speaker 3: bringing in these guys to absorb and and and implement
Speaker 3: their their wisdom and their expertise. So I would love
Speaker 3: to see how all these different schemes, philosophies, approaches come
Speaker 3: together to create this new playbook.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm excited about that.
Speaker 7: But here, here's one thing, and this is intriguing me.
Speaker 7: I don't have the answer. I'm just throwing it out there.
Speaker 7: But what is it about Shoddy's offense? What is he
Speaker 7: pitching to these coaches from other organizations, other college teams
Speaker 7: that they're buying in and saying looking at what the
Speaker 7: Cowboys did last off last season with their offense specifically,
Speaker 7: and saying, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Want to work for them next year.
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 6: Ooh, I just thought of some come on with it,
Speaker 6: Come on with it.
Speaker 3: We just finished talk about the Joneses, and we just
Speaker 3: talked started talking about the Joneses and their approach to
Speaker 3: free agency, right and how we would like to see
Speaker 3: a change. Maybe this is the first step. It might
Speaker 3: be because we don't know what the assistant coaches make.
Speaker 3: Step one, We don't know what these assistant coaches make.
Speaker 3: And these assistant coaches are not getting their first opportunity.
Speaker 3: For the ones that are coming from college, they're not
Speaker 3: getting their first opportunity at NFL coaching jobs. I would imagine,
Speaker 3: I imagine they've had before. Maybe the Jones have opened
Speaker 3: up the checkbook. M maybe this is their first shot
Speaker 3: at free agency.
Speaker 2: I'm dead serious.
Speaker 3: Right before they can get players, they're getting coaches get
Speaker 3: coaches by right, and they have to not only buy
Speaker 3: in to what shot he's pitching, but buy in to
Speaker 3: what the coaches want financially. Because we don't know what
Speaker 3: these assistant coaches are making, they don't have to disclose.
Speaker 2: That one thing that's clear already, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: They don't have to disclose that.
Speaker 3: So the Joneses might be opening it up to play,
Speaker 3: might be opened up their checkbook and say, hey, Shotty,
Speaker 3: go get who you want to get. We'll make sure
Speaker 3: that we funded on the back end. This might be
Speaker 3: the Jones first indication of what they're willing to do
Speaker 3: free agent wise, because this is the free agency of coaches.
Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you right now. And this is
Speaker 4: not a situation where, like you know, a coach is
Speaker 4: coming in and they're trying to retain a certain portion
Speaker 4: of the playbook. It sounds like this playbook is being
Speaker 4: it's being created ground and created completely. And you talk
Speaker 4: about when the coature might be as if it is
Speaker 4: definitively going to be built from the trenches out. Yes,
Speaker 4: this team is going when you talk about Derek Foster
Speaker 4: and Connor Riley and Clayton Adams and even the scheme
Speaker 4: that Shaddy said that he's envisioning, this team is looking
Speaker 4: to bully you and then play off of that to
Speaker 4: affect the game in the air. So we it feels
Speaker 4: like that's where the culture is going there, and you
Speaker 4: just you really have to love it because, like what
Speaker 4: Josh is saying is poignant. These are guys who are
Speaker 4: high level in their respective organizations and programs.
Speaker 2: You leave an Oregon program that was number one in
Speaker 2: the nation and you leaven feel Knight.
Speaker 3: You leave Kansas State program where you're for all intents
Speaker 3: and purposes, you're one of the you're heraldin that's one
Speaker 3: of the best offensive minds in the country.
Speaker 2: You're comfortable, you're.
Speaker 3: Leaving these comfortable, high level positions, first time NFL head
Speaker 3: coach for the most visible and critically and criticized say
Speaker 3: scrutinize team arguably and all of us. Yeah, they're buying
Speaker 3: in so whatever, Soadenheimer is selling that must smell wonderful.
Speaker 2: What are the two things that have to be true.
Speaker 3: I have to believe what you're pitching me right as
Speaker 3: the head coach. And then what's the next question I'm
Speaker 3: gonna ask.
Speaker 2: What's the pay? What's the pay? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, I'm leaving Phil Knight, who has been the only
Speaker 3: coach in organ whatever, the collagion organization, what are you
Speaker 3: wanna call them?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: On institution that said it's a blank check to get
Speaker 3: these players here for nil. So if it's a blank
Speaker 3: check to get the players, it's definitely a blank check
Speaker 3: for these coaches.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Right, So I'm leaving that. What is a Cowboys paying?
Speaker 4: But I'll add one more thing. We talked about free agency.
Speaker 4: This Cowboys as a current personnel roster, they have twenty
Speaker 4: two looming unrestricted free agents, and you also don't know
Speaker 4: if they're going to change their free agency approach and
Speaker 4: what that looks like. So if you're a coach being
Speaker 4: wooed or being recruited. Not only do you have to
Speaker 4: buy into what the plan is going to be schematically,
Speaker 4: who we're you gonna have?
Speaker 2: Who? Oh my ode?
Speaker 3: You have a lot of voids that you need to feel.
Speaker 2: If I'm Connor Wright, you're still here.
Speaker 4: If I'm Clayton Adams, and they still said, yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 5: With that being said, we got to take our second
Speaker 5: break when we come back. What are the number one needs?
Speaker 5: What do you have to leave this offseason with on
Speaker 5: offense and one on the defense needs? Not once needs?
Speaker 5: What do you have to have going into training camp
Speaker 5: here in twenty twenty five?
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Speaker 3: All right, one need offense and defense.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you one on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: Half leave it.
Speaker 5: Have to have it one thing overall. You can't kind
Speaker 5: of halfway do this. You gotta say one.
Speaker 2: What you guys. Have to have it, have to have it. Jeez,
Speaker 2: you have to have a number two receiver.
Speaker 6: Okay, cold Stone creamer, you gotta have.
Speaker 2: I really want to one. I really want to one. Bee.
Speaker 2: I don't want to even want a number two. I
Speaker 2: want to one.
Speaker 5: Bee okay, and defense what you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, on defense something that you have to have.
Speaker 3: You have to have interior D linemen and you can't
Speaker 3: I mean if you I don't want to speak on it, right,
Speaker 3: but if you if you can't afford to lose, can't
Speaker 3: afford to lose D lineman. Yeah, I can't afford to
Speaker 3: lose O. So but even if you have OS, you
Speaker 3: need to add you need a dog.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: So the need there would be retain Osa.
Speaker 2: Oh we can do that. Yeah you could, Yeah, you could.
Speaker 2: That would be and you yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they plan our running system wise,
Speaker 3: so I will say you need to retain j Lou.
Speaker 2: Okay, see that's where my need was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, or need to restructure Micah, that would be
Speaker 5: the other one.
Speaker 2: What are you thinking?
Speaker 4: Offensively? You definitely need a one B receiver, But who's
Speaker 4: your running back?
Speaker 2: I think it's you. That's why it's only one right
Speaker 2: you need.
Speaker 6: But this is specifically free agents von.
Speaker 2: No, it's just so you remember when you need a
Speaker 2: running back.
Speaker 4: So even if you can figure out the duce Von equation,
Speaker 4: now that Connor Riley is in the building, you still
Speaker 4: need another running back because He's not going to be
Speaker 4: your workhorse. He's not going to That means that your
Speaker 4: your goal is to make him more of that shifty guy.
Speaker 2: You don't want him doing all the dirty. Oh I
Speaker 2: was joking about. No, no, but.
Speaker 4: Seriously, dude, finally and this will please I.
Speaker 2: Fine, there is.
Speaker 4: Some justifiable optimism that the Cowboys can figure out the
Speaker 4: duce Vaughan variable. Mike McCarthy couldn't figure it out. But
Speaker 4: Connor Riley is in the building, and here are some numbers.
Speaker 4: And I know people say on the okay, here here
Speaker 4: are some numbers. Though, when Connor Riley had duce Von
Speaker 4: at Kansas State, duce Von produced four thy eight hundred
Speaker 4: and eighty four yards from scrimmage and forty three touchdowns
Speaker 4: at bridge one hundred and nine point seven rushing yards
Speaker 4: per game in his final two seasons, and he was
Speaker 4: also effective as a running back out of a wide
Speaker 4: receiver out of the backfield nine point three yards per
Speaker 4: reception in his final two season with Kansas State. If
Speaker 4: there's anyone that can unlock Ducevon as Connor Riley, if
Speaker 4: duce Von can't be unlocked with Connor Riley at the
Speaker 4: NFL level, now, then we can wash our hands with Duzvon.
Speaker 4: That being said, even if Duce Vaughan has a breakout season,
Speaker 4: you still need that compliment. I am still of the belief.
Speaker 4: And this is without having talked in to Rico, spoken
Speaker 4: to Rico, but this is just logically speaking, this is
Speaker 4: the best leverage that Rico Daldo has had in his career.
Speaker 4: He's going to test the market. He's going to Tony
Speaker 4: Pollard the market. Does that mean he's going to leave.
Speaker 4: There's a strong chance that he does leave. We'll see
Speaker 4: if he's willing to stay. But if he stays, don't
Speaker 4: expect it to be on a team discal So I'll
Speaker 4: say that, but rather it's retaining Rico or you're going
Speaker 4: you get a guy like Ashton Genty. Now that the
Speaker 4: pipeline is there and re establish you still need to
Speaker 4: solve for running back. Solve for running back. I know
Speaker 4: people are saying offense, you have personnel already on the
Speaker 4: offense lines.
Speaker 2: The need that's who's running the ball.
Speaker 3: If you understand what I'm saying, who's running the ball?
Speaker 3: Anybody can run lines amazing until slash Wait than never.
Speaker 2: If CD does.
Speaker 6: I genuinely think that, but do you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You're saying, if CD gets hurt, who's catching. I'm saying,
Speaker 3: if CD is healthy, he's already set. It doesn't health
Speaker 3: notwithstanding who's.
Speaker 2: Running the ball.
Speaker 3: I said that about Rico this year we found out
Speaker 3: as long as the old line is blocking, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get a thousand yards. Rico had already shown flashes before
Speaker 3: the depth chart though the un because he was behind first,
Speaker 3: he was behind Zeke and Tony, then he was behind
Speaker 3: Tony and then he had injuries.
Speaker 4: Okay, so fine. What I'm saying is assuming Rico test
Speaker 4: the market and that creates a good likelihood that he leaves.
Speaker 2: Who's running the ball.
Speaker 6: There's there's question marks.
Speaker 2: CD and Millie Davids was on the practice squad all
Speaker 2: year right for a reason, and this is not. This
Speaker 2: is not.
Speaker 3: This is not to Malie Malik showed flashed. Yes, who's
Speaker 3: running over over a one?
Speaker 4: B Isaiah, So you're telling me or a right guard
Speaker 4: you I want to be clear. So you're telling me
Speaker 4: that you're confident.
Speaker 3: Man, running backs are good. There's a lot of good running.
Speaker 3: Let me say they they are going to listen on
Speaker 3: a real court. How do we gotta go. What justifies
Speaker 3: how do you Outside of fumbling? What makes a running
Speaker 3: back bad? Makes running back bad? Lack of behind behind
Speaker 3: a really good offensive of visions, lack of possessions, lack
Speaker 3: of anticipation, yeah, those things, lack of burst, lack of behind.
Speaker 3: So behind a really good offensive line, you're saying most
Speaker 3: running backs can't.
Speaker 2: Fall for for fall forward, fall for forth.
Speaker 3: Behind a really good offensive line and good offensive scheme.
Speaker 3: You're saying, most running backs can't fall for four yards.
Speaker 2: So here's my question to you. False, Here's here's my question.
Speaker 2: They can't. They can. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Most running backs that come into your camp are capable.
Speaker 3: Here's offensive line. You can't say that. Receivers, you can't
Speaker 3: say that, I love you.
Speaker 7: Behind the Philly Old Line, I guarantee Royce Freeman would
Speaker 7: have had a thousand yards.
Speaker 6: I mean, oh, stop that. Come on, man, come on, man,
Speaker 6: stop that.
Speaker 7: Behind the best old line in football, you can put
Speaker 7: first of all, just about it running backs.
Speaker 4: It's not even about overvaluing guys. This is about based
Speaker 4: upon the science that we saw from the film and
Speaker 4: things like that. Yes, you have questions on the offensive line,
Speaker 4: but you also have personnel you can be optimistic about.
Speaker 4: Brock Kaffman showed you you can be optimistic about him.
Speaker 2: TJ. Bass showed you that you can be optimistic about him.
Speaker 2: From a running back perspective.
Speaker 3: You don't have anybody on this current roster who will
Speaker 3: be under contract guaranteed at the time of this conversation
Speaker 3: that you can say that is the guy who's going
Speaker 3: to fall full. You're more confident, You're more confident in
Speaker 3: the running back debt. I'm most confident in the personnel
Speaker 3: than I am with.
Speaker 2: Let's let's not even talk about offers line.
Speaker 3: But are you more confident in the depth at running
Speaker 3: back or more confident in the depth at receiver? As
Speaker 3: we have this conversation, absolutely have more talented bodies at
Speaker 3: receiver than you do.
Speaker 5: I would agree there that running back because you don't
Speaker 5: have bodies.
Speaker 4: And this is not me saying that Brooks and Tobert
Speaker 4: are going to be Pro bowlers. This is not me
Speaker 4: saying that, although we do hold on, although we do
Speaker 4: agree that Cavante Turpin can be a force if you
Speaker 4: continue to feed them the ball.
Speaker 2: But when you start.
Speaker 3: Naming names, at least you have names to name in
Speaker 3: the receiving group behind Ceedee Lamp. Who are you naming
Speaker 3: that's right now under contract at running back for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: You're talking about Deuce vamb Elitite, Davis Hunter lipkey, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm okay, you're okay then, but I really am behind
Speaker 3: us with the offensive minds that you're bringing in here,
Speaker 3: and if you're trying.
Speaker 5: To classify this as a solid offensive line, no, not yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, now yet, But but where's the focus been this
Speaker 2: off season? Coaches?
Speaker 3: Listen, running gun game? Okay, all right, so so something's
Speaker 3: going to change. You're not going to go into the
Speaker 3: season with the same guys you're going That's.
Speaker 5: Not the hypothetical we're putting out there.
Speaker 2: What is the biggest What is I'm saying the running scheme?
Speaker 2: If anything? Right now you can feel dog on good
Speaker 2: about what the.
Speaker 3: Passing game or the running game going into the season
Speaker 3: with the coaching stab that they put in player no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we're talking what personnel that is going to be utilized
Speaker 3: within the Scheme's running your ball.
Speaker 2: Isaiah, I will run the ball.
Speaker 3: If you have the scheme that's gonna move guys off
Speaker 3: the ball, You're bro, you.
Speaker 2: Need another very Henry, I'm too figured right now. You
Speaker 2: understand me. Listen, I'm so serious, bro, Like I will
Speaker 2: run the old line, the old line. The emphasis is
Speaker 2: on the scheme of the old.
Speaker 3: Line and the coaching and development of the old line
Speaker 3: that has been a focus of Shottenheim.
Speaker 2: Right now, it is you, who bodies on the art line.
Speaker 2: We gotta go, We gotta go real quick.
Speaker 6: Wide receiver two, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's your two or one?
Speaker 6: Be why receiver two?
Speaker 2: You don't have bodies? Who's running your ball? I love it.
Speaker 5: And it's split in the the chat section too. I'm
Speaker 5: watching like it's like almost every other question, it's we've
Speaker 5: got a running back, wide receiver, running back, wide receiver
Speaker 5: for Patrick Nose, walker for Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah stand back,
Speaker 5: Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. I think
Speaker 5: the biggest need is a running back this offseason.
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