1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: with I our radio. It's the almost famous podcast. We 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: are back for another episode. Breakdown. Ashley. You have bad 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: storms your way, so if we lose you due to 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: the storms, your electricity goes out. I'm on my own. 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: Are you ready to be on your own? I am 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: ready to be on my own, but I don't want 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: to be on I don't think my electricity is going out. Okay, 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: I'd rather have you here, Ashley. It's time to jump 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: into it. A episode that garnered a lot of conversation online. Um, 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: we're here to talk about it. Break it down. In 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: the past, Ashley, we have been criticized, sometimes pushed the 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: side because of our critique of Zach, and the critiques 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: on my end have been Han, I don't think he's 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: a bad dude. I don't. UM. I don't even think 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: he's a bad bachelor. I think it was an odd choice. Um. 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: And there's been moments this season where I feel like 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily what his intentions are when it 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: comes to why he gets rid of some women and 20 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: why he keeps someone them around and why he kisses 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: them in the midst of a really intentional conversation. Those 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: are all critiques that I give every bachelor, some of 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: the best yea to some of the worst. I will 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: say in this episode, we'll get to it for the 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: first time. I will actually be critical of Zach. I 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: want to give you that note again, well, like actually 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: critical of him saying, hey, I don't think I would 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: say this is the first episode where I'd say his 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: bachelor ness is it was not on display. Well, yeah, 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: I don't. I still don't think he's a bad bachelor, 31 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: and I still don't think he's a bad dude. I 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: actually think he is a really good bachelor. I think 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: he's really there for the right reasons. I think he 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: wants to find love. But two episodes at a rowna 35 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: actually and again will break it down later in the episode, 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: he has got m he has responded oddly to the feelings, 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: the confusion and the emotions of the contestants. And I 38 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: have some reasons why I'm on the contestants side here, 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: and we'll get to those here later on. But let's 40 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: start at the beginning of the episode. All right, let's 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: do it. All right, So they're in this place that 42 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: I want to call Andalasia or Um, what's the Princess Diaries. 43 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: I've never watched Princess Diaries, Princess of Genovia. What, Yeah, 44 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: I know, Jessica says. Jessica and I just got into 45 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: this last week. Really, what's the odds? Well, I don't know, 46 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: but we're wanting to watch a movie. And she's like, 47 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: isn't it a night that you're in the mood to 48 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: watch Princess Diaries? And I was like, well, no, and 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: I've never seen it. And then I don't know when 50 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the mood to watch a Princess Diaries. 51 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: But she says it's top five favorite movies for her 52 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: of all time. Oh wow, that's so sweet of you 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: to to maybe consider watching one of her top five 54 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: favorite movies of all time one day. It's okay. Jared's 55 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: the exact same way, with a walk to remember like, 56 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: he won't do it. I think he saw it once 57 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: when he was like an eighth or ninth grade and 58 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: he will never watch it with me. But anyway, it's 59 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: like Andalusia or like Genovia. This place I've heard of 60 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: it before. Where are we was Estonia? Estonia? It looks beautiful. 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: It really does look like some fantasy like Disney World 62 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: really does. It looks like a perfect place to find love. 63 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: I love that. Actually, there's so many parts of the 64 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: show now that being on it um and then watching 65 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: it as a fan, i just kind of like dismiss 66 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: or like I'm like, oh, that's ridiculous. You know when 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: they yell at Zach's name. Yeah, at the same place, 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: the most cringing thing ever. But the this is a 69 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: perfect place to find love still hits my heart. It 70 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: still makes me, still feels genuine to me. All Right, Well, 71 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 1: it's not a good place for Greer to find love 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: because of all people, she's the one that's caught COVID, 73 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: possibly from Zach. They say she's under the weather, but 74 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: later in the episode they confirmed that she had COVID 75 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: and she was like quarantining the entire time. So like Greer, 76 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: who was definitely on the shopping block this week, kind 77 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: of gets the sale through, not that she's participating at all, 78 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: she's not in this episode. But isn't it ironic that 79 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: the person that he probably would have eliminated, that he 80 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: feels like he could have eliminated last week is the 81 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: one that gets COVID from him, even though like I 82 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: don't think they've been physical at all. Yeah, you know, 83 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: there's yes, I do. I do think that's interesting. I 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: also think it's interesting now that like, what is the 85 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: formula or process to somebody going home after having COVID, 86 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: Because with Logan he just disappeared, He's gone yea, like 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: he gets covided last week? Sorry, bad luck. But then 88 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: Greer gets COVID and she he sticks around. Which whose 89 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: decision is that? Ultimately? Is that the leads decision? Is 90 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: that the show's decision? Do we really know? I don't know. 91 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: I think it's changed since Logan, But also I think 92 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: that Grier has been like more of somebody to consider 93 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: in this process than Logan ever was to either those girls. Okay, 94 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: fair enough, Okay, so let's go. Let's Oh my gosh. 95 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: So the first of course, we get the one on 96 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: one date card. It's for Charity, which is no surprise 97 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: since Charity's date last week was canceled. We're all happy 98 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: she's got it. But before Zach could pick her up, 99 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: he gets pulled aside by Kat who just is like, oh, 100 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go like take a little steal for a second, 101 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: like want to have a little private moment and this 102 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: is a huge part of this episode, which I think 103 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 1: is a little bit extra. She definitely sure, why extra? 104 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: And what I think it? I think it's extra on 105 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: Brooklyn's end. So it ends up being drama between Kat 106 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: and Brooklyn, primarily a little bit with Charity, but primarily 107 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: between Brooklyn and Kat. And and man, was Brooklyn revved 108 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: up by this move? She thought it was so rude 109 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: to pull him aside to sneak in alone time before 110 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: somebody else is one on one? Now, look, is it ideal? Now? 111 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: Is it a little bit rude? Sure? Are there any 112 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: aren't there supposed to be? No rules? Doesn't every lead 113 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: usually praise the person who steals them aside and is 114 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: aggressive to get alone time with them? It almost always 115 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: seems to go over well, especially in my opinion. I 116 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: don't know I was gonna say with a male lead, 117 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: but now I think about the girls too. I feel 118 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: like I feel like most leads appreciate when somebody takes 119 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of a extra step to see them, 120 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: and that's what Kat does. And again, is it perfect timing? Now? 121 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: But should it be as big of a deal as 122 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: Brooklyn makes it seem? I don't think so. I think 123 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: Brooklyn is acting out of a lot of jealousy here. 124 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: I think she sees Kat as a major threat and 125 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: she wants to bring her down some way. That's my take, 126 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: what's yours, Well, it's nice to be pursued no matter 127 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: what you know. You're the lead. You often feel to feel, 128 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: I mean, from my experience, like you're on your own island, right, 129 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: You're staying separated from everybody else. You typically don't have 130 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: a lot of friends around you. You don't know exactly 131 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: how the women are feeling in the house, especially the 132 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: ones that you're very interested in. So it does feel 133 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: good to be pursued, especially by those that you really like. 134 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: And so I think there's one note here where if 135 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: it was somebody that he wasn't that into, I think 136 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: he maybe would have responded differently. Okay, but there's also 137 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: like nobody that he's not into now, which is kind 138 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: of crazy. I definitely thought in this episode, Ali, who 139 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: does get aliminate at the end, was the weakest link, 140 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: and then as well, those were the two like obvious 141 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: the iliminations in my head. But what I'm really finding 142 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: intriguing about this season is that he's so into these girls, 143 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: and I feel like everybody has a chance, and I 144 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: think the front runners are changing week by week. Anyway, Okay, 145 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Ben continue, Sorry I am and I could be wrong 146 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: in this. I'm just typically in these situations that it's 147 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: like very gray. There's not a right and wrong. There's 148 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: not a procedure to Hey, was cast supposed to do 149 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: this or not? Was it inappropriate? We don't really know. Nobody, 150 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, we'll all have our own opinions on it. 151 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: He was in poor taste, I'll say it's in poor taste, 152 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: I would I would say I always fall back on 153 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: the leads response. And so if Zach didn't want this happening, right, 154 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: this is a process, and this is I'll get to 155 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: this later. But the one thing I want Zach as 156 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: a fan of the show, as you know, as somebody's 157 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: watching it, to understand is this is a process for 158 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: all involved. Yes, he is the lead of the process, 159 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: but this is everybody's experience and everybody's adventure together and 160 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: he has to help cultivate that and care for that. 161 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: And so with this, yes, this is a process for 162 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: him and kat Zach if he wasn't into it, needed 163 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: to say hey, this is inappropriate this time. I like 164 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: you a lot, I'm very into this relationship, but I 165 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: have a date coming up and it just feels weird 166 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: to be doing this right before my date. If he 167 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: doesn't have a problem with it, him as the lead, 168 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: goes with it, and then nobody can really get upset 169 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: with anybody but Zach, because the girls are just trying 170 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: to figure out the best way to get his attention 171 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, And if he doesn't like that attention, 172 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: or if he feels like that's not fair to the 173 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: process in general, as the lead, then he has to 174 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: step up and say something. But the only person here 175 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: to get upset about is Zach. Very interesting, very interesting 176 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: take on that, and I agree with you, Brooklyn. It 177 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: gets feisty too. It's not just like, oh, did you 178 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: really have to do that? That That was kind of rude, 179 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: Like she wants to fight her with words, Yeah, agressive, 180 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: called her out with being aggressive, and it's like, Okay, 181 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: if somebody's gonna have an issue with the moment, like, 182 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: let it be Charity who's gonna be going on the 183 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: one on one. Let her be the one that's offended, 184 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: not use so desperately anyway, we'll get back to the 185 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: situation later. I think that there's like there's not a 186 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: lot of drama going on this season, which I think 187 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: we like. We like that there's no petty drama and 188 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: they're definitely going to like use this as a drama point, 189 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: which I didn't mind it, just because it truly felt 190 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: like that Brooklyn was irked. Anyway, Okay, like I said, 191 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: let's move on. Charity and him have a very nice 192 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: one on one. They there's not like a lot to 193 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: munition on it. You know, they go on a horse 194 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: drawn carriage. They play this game about like wife carrying, 195 00:10:53,520 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: which is apparently apparently a very popular sport in Estonia. 196 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: Do you believe that wife carrying? Yeah, if you google it, 197 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: Like no, I don't know if I feel like saying 198 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: it's a popular sport is overblown, Like I think it's 199 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: probably done, but I'm sure it's done a few places 200 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: in the US. Doesn't make it a popular sport. But 201 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: you keep going if we're an interesting date. H What 202 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: else did they do around town? Uh? I don't hate it? 203 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: Can I just say that though, Like I know that 204 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: they'll carrying or just like the little like carriage around town. 205 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: I think carriage aroundtown is a nice type of date. Yeah, 206 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: I think the carriage around town, the carrying is is weird, right, 207 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: it's a risk, it's it's different. But what I don't 208 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: hate about it is I'm just glad the show is 209 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: finding new dates, like, yeah, new things. So outside of 210 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: if carrying your wife around is a sport or not, 211 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: or if it is a super weird concept or not, 212 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm just glad the show is looking for new, creative 213 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: dates that are like that we can talk about here 214 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: in the podcast and be interested in and at least 215 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: have an opinion on, because half the dates, it feels 216 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: like nowadays are repeats and we don't even focus on 217 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: them anymore because they're repeats. So just happy that's something 218 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: news happening. I completely agree, And I really do like 219 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: these touristy dates. They're like kind of tourists doing the 220 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: things that the people there do, which I guess that's 221 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: not like new I guess they always try to incorporate 222 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: the culture in the date, but I like the way 223 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: that they're like touring around town together like he did 224 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: with Gabby last week in London. Then they go and 225 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: they take shots of something they think it's alcohol, but 226 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: there's like a ton there. It is alcohol, but there's 227 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: like a ton of pepper in it, and those like 228 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: the kind of like fun experiences together when you like 229 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: get grossed out together, or you know, you take shots, 230 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: like it's kind of more of like a normal date, right, Yeah, 231 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: shots on dates? Takes did you take shots on dates? 232 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: Would take a shot at date? Like especially something new 233 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: and interesting. I mean, I'm not gonna sit on my 234 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: first they was somebody in rip like six tequila shots 235 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: and be like, hey, you hang out, Yeah, but something new, 236 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: drinking a new experience together. It helps loosen it up. 237 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: It gives you something to talk about. So, yes, this 238 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: feels like a very normal, fun, healthy kind of first date, 239 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: if you will. Yeah, yep, bonding experience. So then they 240 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: sit down to dinner and they talk about how Charity 241 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: really like probably had an emotional, elite abusive relationship in 242 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: her past, her last relationship. She says, it's like she 243 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: feels like shameful about it and regretful, but it's made 244 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: her who she is today. She said she was really 245 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: just stuck in a vicious cycle of manipulation and the 246 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: relationship had some infidelity many times with somebody that she 247 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: knew obviously, just like a really horrible situation to be here, 248 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: be in. But now with Zach, you know, she's feeling 249 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: good and she's glad that she was able to get 250 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: through that conversation and she felt comfort did by him 251 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: and you know, gives her the rose feels very strong 252 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: with with Charity, you know, Um, all I can say 253 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: is that, like it's another one to kind of add 254 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: to the code. And I don't want to call girls 255 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: a collection, but like the bunch of people that I 256 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: feel like would be safe for weeks, but then you 257 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: realize that he's got eliminate, eliminate down to the top 258 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: four hometowns by next week. So whoever leaves next week 259 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: I think is going to be They're gonna be shocked 260 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: as a contestant and we're going to be shocked as 261 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: an audience. That's what we want though, right, I mean, 262 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: this is this is our ideal season right now, where 263 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: there is so many people that we know. You know, 264 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: this will be the first season in a while, Ashley 265 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: that I bet I could name five contestants from like 266 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: six months after the show's done. I could be like, oh, yeah, 267 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: you remember kat In Brooklyn and Charity an Aerial and 268 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: all these people from this season, because the cont testing 269 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: group is very strong, and I think the connections are 270 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: very strong and this is what we want. We've kind 271 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: of missed this, Like I mean, if you remember, maybe 272 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: two seasons ago, we were like, I don't know if 273 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: there's anybody here that we could see them with, which 274 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: is a very odd place to sit in. As you 275 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: get down to hometowns this season, I'm going, oh, I 276 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: see a lot of people I could see him with. Yeah, 277 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: that's so true. Like, think about these girls, these Top 278 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: I don't even know number we're at, like eight, let's 279 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: just call it Aaron without me counting, but all Top 280 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: eight would seemingly be like Big Paradise gets m interesting thought, Yes, 281 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: Big Paradise gets and very after Paradise gets like I'm 282 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: saying that when they get to the beach, I think 283 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, yes, Zach's season had an 284 00:15:47,360 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: incredible contestant group. Yeah, I agree. Okay, So like the 285 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: group date they go to a witch is a witches thing, Ben, 286 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: I feel like you weren't going to like this date. 287 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure you're a witch fan um which 288 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: has intrigued me. I actually actually, um, I'm I'm intrigued 289 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: by which is for for wild reasons, right, I think 290 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times they're um, there's a misconception, right, 291 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: and then you know the history of which is like 292 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: what makes somebody a witch and what doesn't and false 293 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: accusations of this. The whole history of people being witches 294 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: has just intrigued me with the stories, especially when it 295 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: crosses with religion, and so I'm more I'm not like 296 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: a not a witch fan. No, okay, because I thought 297 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: it was like a religious thing that you'd be like 298 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: not a witch fan. No, I mean, you know, for 299 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: for his uh much as a Christian I am, or 300 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: however you want to explain that, you know, my fundamental 301 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: side is not existing. And so I'm more just intrigued 302 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: with the history of and trying to understand their culture 303 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: and where they came from. So no, I'm intrigued. Um, 304 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean like dark magics in general, like just I 305 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: don't understand it. I've never been around it, and so 306 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: I'm more I've an outsider, just interested. Are you cool 307 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: with like good witches though, like Linda, Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. 308 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean I'm cool with I'm cool. You're cool with 309 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: the witches. Okay, Well, do you believe in love spells? 310 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: Because I can't. I can't deny my sister and I 311 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: may have I wouldn't say conducted love spells, but something 312 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: of the sort. I've sat on a balcony and meditated 313 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: about someone while like a red candle was burning. Or 314 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: I've taken what we was called a love bath, which 315 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: is like you put red petals in the bath and 316 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: then you think about the person deeply. Oh my good. 317 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much about this thing I ask. 318 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: But that's not like gwitchy stuff, right, that's like the 319 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: power of your mind. Sure, you know, I mean, I 320 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: guess it is. You know, you go into it. What 321 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: is meditation? What is prayer? What is contemplation? Like you know, 322 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: prayer in a lot of ways, for me has always 323 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: been about meditating and contemplating on the good and the bad, 324 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: and the dreams and the hopes and where God I 325 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: feel like it is calling me to. So for me 326 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: as a Christian, like, prayer has looked a lot of 327 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: different ways. It isn't just me getting on my hands 328 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: and knees, crossing my hands and praying God, Thank you 329 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: for today. No, it's like a lot of it is meditation, 330 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of that is like a 331 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: calling of the heart and getting your mind to a 332 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: place where, you know, well, helping your mind understand what 333 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: your heart is feeling. That's fair, that's not weird. That 334 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: happens in every faith tradition, just people call it different things. 335 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: I you know me personally, and maybe I'll be convinced 336 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: to this one day, maybe I never will. I am 337 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: not necessarily somebody that would invest any money into getting 338 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: U my cards read or getting a spell put over 339 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: me believing that that is doing something that is something 340 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: that I you know, I do think there is a 341 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: spiritual world, and I do think there's that stuff going on. 342 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: I just wouldn't do it because one it would you know, 343 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: I've read too much about that stuff, and then two 344 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: I just have never I'm good with my prayer to Jesus. Now, 345 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 1: that's not that everybody has to that. So no, I 346 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: am not a fan of spells. I don't believe in spells, 347 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: but that's just my own personal thing. So you don't 348 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: believe that Zach and these girls are falling more in 349 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: love overlooking at each other through a flame candle, No, 350 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: I do not, and if they that is there, that's 351 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: their their tasks this week. That's really the most shown 352 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: spell because of course the candle that blows out in 353 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: the midst of this gay is is the candle between 354 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: Jess and Zach and we just know going to this 355 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: group date that Jess is feeling very secure about the 356 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: fact that she hasn't had a one on one, which 357 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: at this point I feel you I was a wee 358 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: week are we are? We at week six? We're getting 359 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: pretty I think this is my week. I think this 360 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: is my week that I got eliminated. Okay, so then 361 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: this is the time where you look around the room. Yes, okay, 362 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: this is week six. You look around the room and 363 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, so it's me and that other person 364 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: and we're the only ones that haven't had one on one. 365 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: So I kind of feel demoralized right now because I'm 366 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: obviously at the bottom of this guy's barrel. Um. So yeah, 367 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: you just feel insecure about being around all these other 368 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: girls that obviously have an upper hand of you, and 369 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: that like applies to everything in life, that like applies 370 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: to gym class. Right then it's a classic class like, yeah, 371 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: you don't want to be I mean, you don't want 372 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: to be picked last. I know there's listeners out there 373 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: who probably have a different faith or belief system than 374 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: I do. Here's something I a question I want to 375 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: ask you and listeners. You've been really good at DM 376 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: ing and Twitter messaging on some questions recently. What is 377 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: the difference here? And this is a question I'm curious about. 378 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this. What is the difference 379 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: here between looking into a candle and having things spoken 380 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: over you and having like you're kind of like mind 381 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: like in this certain place. What's the difference between like 382 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: that like a spell or whatever you want to call it, 383 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: a hypnosis? Like how do I know that I'm not 384 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: being like hypnotized or I'm going to use this word 385 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: but it's not the right word, but it feels like 386 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: the only word I can come up with, like manipulated 387 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: to fall more in love given you know this environment, 388 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: because the mind is easy to tweak, Like hypnosis is 389 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: a very real thing. I've seen people hypnotize. How do 390 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: I know that I'm not being just hypnotized to fall 391 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: in love with all these people? Or that Z don't know, 392 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: but one one time I played a game with Jared 393 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: and it said this game will make somebody fall in 394 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: love with you. And now we're married. When does that? 395 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: When does this spell like leave? Then? Like when does 396 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: it kick off? Is it just I don't know? But 397 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: if you look it up on Google, you look up 398 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: like the twenty questions to make someone fall in love 399 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: with you, and they're just increasingly vulnerable, like intimate questions 400 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: and the more you reveal yourself. Yeah, I guarantee you 401 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: googled it right before you had your first date with Jared. 402 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: What are twenty things I could say to make him 403 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: fall up me? I remember this day. This is so 404 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: vividly because I'd like to pretend like it was our 405 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: first date in real life, even though I totally manipulated 406 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: it on him. We've had an event, he had an 407 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: extra day in La. I was like, hey, do you 408 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: want to go to dinner in a movie? And you know, 409 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: like he thought, just as friends? Duh. Yeah. I was like, yeah, 410 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: well I took him to the most romantic restaurant got anyway. Okay, 411 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: So this is where we need to sit though, because 412 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 1: this is a moment with Jess and Zach that I 413 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: was kind of alluding to at the beginning, right just 414 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: and Zach Candle blows out she has concerns about not 415 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: getting the first date or a one on one date, 416 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: which she already knows she's not getting a one on one, 417 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: but she's you know, so she's feeling real stupid on 418 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: this group date as the only girl who's never had 419 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: a one And at this point, actually you had mentioned 420 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 1: that you were in this similar situation. Can you just 421 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: describe the feelings that you're experiencing as you sit around 422 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: the room and you go, I'm the only person that 423 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: hasn't gotten time with Zach. He either is not interested 424 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: in me or he's saving a very special date for 425 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: me one day, but that day hasn't happened yet, and 426 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm starting to get and I'll let you fill in 427 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: the blanks. Oh okay, Well you feel obviously behind, and 428 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: then you feel like, oh, or all the conversations that 429 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: are happening on this group date so much more in 430 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: depth than what I'm going to have because we're still 431 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: like surfacing. And then we get to what Jess talks 432 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: about on the group date, which was something that I 433 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: definitely felt because the little times that you have with 434 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: the lead leading up to this point are like fifteen 435 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: minutes one on one tops, right, Yeah, so she probably 436 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: got like fifteen minutes during the daytime portion of the 437 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: day along with him, and that's like kind of like fun. 438 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: Right then the nighttime portion is when you're supposed to 439 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: be a little bit more intimate and vulnerable and talk 440 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: a little bit more about your life. But that's still 441 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: only fifteen minutes. So you're supposed to be like flirty 442 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: and like flirty and like fun but also connect at 443 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: the same time, all within fifteen minutes, and you're just like, Okay, 444 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time doing this. It makes me 445 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: The pressure is so on you to make like the 446 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: best fifteen minute impression, and you feel like there's certain 447 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: things that you're just not going to bring up because one, 448 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: it'll take too long, it'll feel weird if it's interrupted, 449 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: and then it'll just feel like out of place. So 450 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: just in general, everything feels like it's kind of like 451 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: out of place when you have a fifteen minute cover 452 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: station that can be interrupted at any time. So what 453 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: she was saying was like she was kind of like 454 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: waiting for that one on one to let herself out 455 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: and for him to see the real her, which I 456 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: can so relate to because I don't think that was 457 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: ever like totally myself. And it's so silly to refer 458 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: back to like eight years ago and Chris souls and stuff, 459 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: but like that's how it was. Like I just felt 460 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: like every little moment I had was like, oh, okay, 461 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: I'll try to be flirty. It was like always like 462 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: trying to be like flirty and fun and like never 463 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: really like getting into anything deeper. And that's why she 464 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: was like, I just need a one on one. I 465 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: just wanted a one on one and it's really sad 466 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: that I haven't had one because I don't think you've 467 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: gotten to know who I am at this point. And 468 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: then he makes it seem like she's she's too focused 469 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: on having a one on one, Like why would she 470 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: feel like she needed a one on one so bad? 471 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: It's very a very bizarre unfolding. Yeah, so here's where 472 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: my critique was at the beginning. And people will still 473 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: probably get upset that I'm too harsh on Zach, and 474 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm okay with that because I really am confident one 475 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: I've been there and Zach. Again, I want to preface 476 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: this was saying, I don't think Zach is a bad bachelor, 477 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: and I don't think he's a bad dude. I think 478 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: he is handling. And it goes back to our point 479 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. I think he's handling these tough 480 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: like confrontations in a very kind of harsh, ununderstanding, non 481 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: understanding way, and that makes me nervous. Here's my point 482 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: to this. I remember on my time on The Bachelorette, 483 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: and I've never said this publicly, and I just thought 484 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: about it last night as I was reviewing everything and 485 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: thinking through my thoughts and why maybe I felt a 486 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: little irked or why I was like, hey, this doesn't 487 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: seem fair or right. I've never publicly said this. I 488 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: always actually felt weird in this environment on the Bachelor. 489 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: Atte as a lead, it was a little different, but 490 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: on the Bachelor I always felt very uncomfortable for a 491 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: few reasons. One, it's a weird world. You're with a 492 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: bunch of like really cool people, very attractive people. You 493 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: always feel like you're competing for this one thing that 494 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: you barely see and that you hope one day works 495 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: out for you. You never know what to bring up right, 496 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: Like you just don't know what to talk about. You 497 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: don't know what to talk about because it is it's 498 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: a high pressure environment. The second piece, and this is 499 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 1: the thing I've never shared. I always felt just very 500 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: like silly about speaking sharing my thoughts on the experience, 501 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: because when they would have you into the like do 502 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: you really want a rose tonight? I would just feel 503 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: personally really weird about being like, oh my gosh, that 504 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: rose would mean so much to me. I just felt 505 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: weird about a rose being such a focus in my life. 506 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: I never I never in my life I understand that, 507 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I haven't thought about that for a while, 508 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: just being in that interview room before before rose ceremony, 509 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: how much does this rose mean to you tonight? It 510 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: means so much to me, It just doesn't. It never 511 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: felt comfortable to me. So I was a lot more 512 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: comfortable sitting with Caitlin at the time and talking about 513 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: our lives in her life and what she was dreaming 514 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: of and what this experience was. But at some point 515 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: she's had these same conversations that I'm asking her to 516 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: the same questions of with multiple different people, and so 517 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: I just felt uncomfortable and that uncomfortability led to some insecurity, 518 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: and that insecurity led to some doubts and confusion, and 519 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: then there would be moments where I was like, No, 520 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: this is a really fun, good thing that I'm experiencing here, 521 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: and I want to stick around. I just don't know 522 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: how to express it to Caitlin fairly. And I always 523 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: will say this what Caitlin Bristow did, And I haven't 524 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: been on any other Bachelor as season, so I don't know, 525 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: but I would say she did it as well as 526 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: anybody could. Is She never made those insecurities, or my confusion, 527 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: or my like laughter at the thought that I was 528 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: wanting a rose so bad ever, like something that was 529 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: my problem. She always made me feel comfortable expressing these 530 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: concerns and these doubts and these things in my head. 531 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 1: She would laugh with me, she would joke with me. 532 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: So this brings me to Zach. We've had multiple women 533 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: now express things that, yes, maybe he feels are silly, 534 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: but in their world they're a big deal. And instead 535 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: of sitting with them and hearing them out and saying, Okay, 536 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: why is it so frustrating to you that you haven't 537 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: gotten to one on one yet? Well, because I feel 538 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: like I want more time with you, and I feel 539 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: like you really need to get to know me outside 540 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: of these group dates. Well that makes sense, Like I 541 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: don't know if I know you yet. Tell me more 542 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: about this. He's just pretty much like in his own 543 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: head saying, I don't get it. This is something I 544 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: don't understand, and there's a disconnect now, and and I 545 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: just I think he's making I mean, we saw it 546 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: with Greer, like trying to bring up a simple thing 547 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: about trying to compare work with this experience. It's weird. 548 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: You're not always gonna have the right things to say. 549 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: And as a leader, it's everybody's process together. And the 550 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: whole point of I think being a lead is to 551 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: help people through the process so that you can get 552 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: to know somebody. And I think Zach's shutting these down 553 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: so quickly that to me, it's frustrating. That's my biggest 554 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: beef right now. Again, don't think he's a bad bachelor, 555 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: don't think he's a bad person. I just wish he 556 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: would lean in a little bit to understanding where the 557 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: women are coming from more than just being like, yeah, 558 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: you aren't seeing the way I do. And so I 559 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: don't get it. Yeah, he's like super intolerant to difference 560 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: and that kind of it could not feel good. Yeah, right, 561 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: And I want to just say you saying that made 562 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: me think about group dates and such and being in 563 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: Jess's shoes. When you are on a group your group date, 564 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: group group date, you are one like if you're not 565 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: a totally extroverted person, like I had to compete. It 566 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: feels weird to say again now with like a Caitlin 567 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: who is super extroverted, so funny, just like the life 568 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: of the party on a group date where it's like, 569 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: why would he even like look at me when this 570 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: girl is like lighting up the room. So you have 571 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: to compete with personalities like that. So when you're like 572 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: an introvert, when you're I guess what am I? I'm 573 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: an extroverted introvert. Even though I'm usually comfortable in like 574 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: a group setting, I like it to be a little 575 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: bit smaller, Like if it's a table of four, I'd 576 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: like I like to talk. If the table of six 577 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: or seven, I'm gonna probably sit back a little bit more. 578 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: So on these group dates, I'd find myself sitting back more, 579 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: which again makes you feel shy, and feeling shy can 580 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: often make you feel insecure. And then the other part 581 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: of group dates is the conversations that you usually have 582 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: don't really go to the real world you it taught. 583 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: You end up talking about like your bachelor you and 584 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: like how you're feeling in the group, and how the 585 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: travel's been, and like are you getting along with everyone? 586 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: And this has been fun? And it's just like all 587 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: that surfacing stuff. So those are just two reasons why 588 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: being on a group date you're not letting your real 589 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: self shine. So I just totally totally feel the insecurity 590 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: that Jess is feeling right now and her expressing that 591 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: to Zach and him being so confused by it and 592 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: non receptive. I just know that she is probably basking 593 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: in the fact that the Internet is really supporting her today. Definitely, 594 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: well yeah, and I mean at the time, Um, either, 595 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: he's just not that intour, which would have he could 596 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: have communicated a lot better, but he's not shown any 597 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: signs of that yet. That wasn't the case at all, 598 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: which she was like reception, Either, he's not that intour? 599 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: Was he lying when he said I'm very confident in 600 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: this and like I'm always I'm thinking about you often, 601 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: and I think he's just responding in a way that 602 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he's trying to relate with it. And 603 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: we can maybe end the thought here. But I wonder Ashley, 604 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: for you, um and you know, for me, I could 605 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: speak from my experience, but Jess has lacked any sort 606 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: of intimacy for weeks now, right like she has had 607 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: no intimacy. She might have had some intimacy see from 608 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: her friends, like some close connections, some good relationships, some 609 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: nice conversations, but when it comes to you know, the 610 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: reason she's there. She has not had any intimacy with Zach. 611 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: We might see them kissing a few times, but to 612 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: be honest, group dates are like an assembly line of dating. 613 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: The lead is sitting in some room and there's somebody 614 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: talking to him, and then the next person comes in 615 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: and sits down with him, and then the next person 616 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: comes in. It's an assembly line. Like there is no 617 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: intimacy on group dates. It is almost impossible to feel 618 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: any sort of connection to anybody when it is literally 619 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: an assembly line of dating, never knowing when that next 620 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: person's gonna want to walk around the corner and steal 621 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: you for a second, And so a lot of this 622 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: for her is you know coming I would imagine and 623 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: I want to ask you from your experience, from a 624 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: lack of intimacy, which leads to confusion about where they're 625 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: at in their relationship. So what's the question? You think 626 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: it's from a lack of intimacy, So like they don't 627 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: know each other enough to navigate this argument. Well, she 628 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: doesn't know. She does know where he stands. He can 629 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: say he's confident in it, he can give her all 630 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: the signs. But what she's really asking for that one 631 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: on one is Zach, are you in this or not? Like, 632 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: are you are you interested in me enough to have 633 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: an intimate moment with me, to sit down with me 634 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: one on one, to be in the same room as 635 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: me for multiple hours of the day, or are you 636 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: not into it? And I should just get out of here, 637 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: because at this point, I think she's wondering why she 638 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: has felt no intimacy for weeks now, and she's wondering, 639 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: does Zach just not want any of that with her? 640 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: That is exactly what she's wondering. Sure, but he is 641 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: giving her like this weird confidence too, like that she 642 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't be feeling that like the sit down and he's 643 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: literally like, just why would you feel behind? Why would 644 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: you feel insecure right now? And he's like, I feel 645 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: he literally says, verbatim, I have this confidence in us. 646 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: And then in what is TV just seconds later, two 647 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: minutes max, he literally goes, I feel there's a disconnect 648 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: and I don't feel any more sure about this, and 649 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: I feel nervous, and I'm like, wait a second, how 650 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: did you go from her walking in the room. I 651 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: have confidence in us too, To be honest, I feel 652 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: there's a disconnect in one in which I cannot get over. 653 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: Wait what That's what's worrisome about Zach is that like 654 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: he just all of a sudden, like can really feel somebody. 655 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: One conversation can make him like I'm over it. We 656 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: saw it with Rachel in the Fantasy Street. We don't 657 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: know what happened, We don't know what happened there, but 658 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: he was like so into it, ready to propose one 659 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: night over one night said woke up and was like, yeah, 660 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: something happened last night where I don't get anymore so again, 661 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: as we mentioned two weeks ago, and people responded, you know, 662 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: in their own ways too. It is now a trend 663 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: that we're seeing that we want to watch playout for 664 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: the rest of the season, Like, is this going to 665 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: continue for the rest of the season. Is this just 666 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: maybe who Zac is? Like again, we're just trying to 667 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: get to know him better. Also, does he just get 668 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: uncomfortable in confrontation And in confrontation he does feel like 669 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: there's a disconnect because misunderstandings or somebody feeling hurt by 670 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: how the process is going he can't relate with and 671 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: as a result, he just would rather say, Hey, this 672 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: isn't going to work out, and that's how he's going 673 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: to find his wife is just saying, hey, who's here, 674 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: who gets me, who understands this, who feels comfortable? And 675 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: they're going to be here at them. We don't know 676 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: it's gonna be like wait, is he gonna end up 677 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: with somebody that he just will never have an argument with? 678 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: He just they need to be agreeable at all times. 679 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. If I was one of the girls 680 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: watching his conversation with Greer and now this and just 681 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: to see how quick he can flip, I'd have a 682 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: red flag flying. Yeah, possibly, we'll have to see. It's 683 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a trend something to pay attention to. It 684 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: was definitely I felt like the most dramatic or one 685 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: of Yeah, I'd say the most dramatic, most pivotal points 686 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: of this episode was this kind of confrontation with Jess 687 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, I didn't see it coming. I did not 688 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: just see this response being done. If somebody to me, Okay, 689 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: we need to close this thought Ashley. But if somebody 690 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: came up to me, my wife or when I was 691 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: dating her, came to me and said, Ben, I really 692 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: want to go on a date with you tonight because 693 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: I just want us to get away from our house 694 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: and to spend time together and I feel like we 695 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: haven't done it in a while, and I really just 696 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: want to spend more time with you. That's an incredible compliment, 697 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: Like that's just a really sweet thing for somebody to 698 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 1: say to you. Is I want more time with you, 699 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: and I'm confused on why you aren't wanting that time 700 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 1: with me right now. It's a very calming like conversation 701 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: in my household is we need to go and spend 702 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: more time together. We need to get out of the house, 703 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: away from our distractions and go and be like, Okay, 704 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. You want more time 705 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: with me. That's really sweet. Let's go do that. Yeah, 706 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: so bizarre. Also, I have one more final thought on this. 707 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: If she didn't leave, here be who would have been 708 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: eliminated at the Rose ceremony because he has so much 709 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,479 Speaker 1: confidence in their relationship. I don't know. It's hard to say. 710 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, all right. Finally, he has a one 711 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: on one with Ariel, which looks like it was squeezed 712 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: into the week because I think she may have had 713 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: her one on one the same day as they had 714 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: the Rose ceremony, just like because of daytime nighttime situation. 715 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: And he said yesterday, And that makes sense because they 716 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: had to like cut out a week for COVID and whatnot. 717 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: That's just a small little observation of mine. Ariel is 718 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: someone who has flown under the radar. But while watching 719 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: this and having him talk about Sean Low and like 720 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: Sean Low, you know, said, Catherine flew under the radar 721 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: until like midway through, and then I was on a 722 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,959 Speaker 1: date with her and I was like, oh my gosh, 723 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 1: this could be my wife. He brings up this story 724 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,720 Speaker 1: and I have to say, I see parallels I'm gonna 725 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: make a bold thing, a bold comment. I think that 726 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna end up with Ariel at the end. Yeah, 727 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: no way right now? Still, yeah, I don't know if 728 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: Kat's gonna hang around much longer, because there's probably gonna 729 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: be some controversy. There's gonna be her disagreeing with him, 730 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: or there's gonna be some conflict surrounding her and he 731 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: won't be able to deal with it and he'll eliminate her. 732 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: That's just that's where I see this going. So you 733 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: think he even he even previewed it during the cocktail party, 734 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: he said like, I felt a disconnect, and we know 735 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: how he deals with disconnect. So I don't even know 736 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: if she's going to hang around till hometowns. So do 737 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: you think you would put Ariel above charity? Yes? Wow, 738 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: So Aero goes to the top of the list right now. 739 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: I just said I think she might win. My goodness, 740 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: that is a I know. And I think Gabby might 741 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: be too. What do you think about their date? What 742 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: do you think about the date that was set up 743 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: for Ariel and Zach. I always find it a little 744 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: odd when we involved nudity on this show, but at 745 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: least they didn't have to get nude. They just had 746 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 1: to sit in a sauna and a hot tub with 747 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: two an older an older couple who was little nakey, 748 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, it's gonna make you uncomfortable. I 749 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: know what they're trying to do with it. They're trying 750 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: to be like, look at this couple. They're so in 751 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: love and they're so like open with each other and 752 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 1: open with the world, and la la la la la. Yeah. Well, 753 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: for as much as the show said that like wife 754 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: caring or whatever that was was popular in Estonia, I 755 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: mean in this part of Europe, right, these are this 756 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: is a very common, like health practice. It's not odd 757 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: to be an assana with nude people. They don't see it, 758 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, as in the same way that we maybe 759 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: do here in the States. And so, yes, I think 760 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: this couple is very much in love, very connected, very 761 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: open with each other. But I also just believe it 762 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: is a common a more common practice in those in 763 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: those places of the world than it is here in 764 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: the US. Yeah. Yeah, So I thought the date was 765 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: really nice. I think they had fun. I think they 766 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: had an emotional connection. The only real thing that stands 767 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: out about conversation serious wise, is that Ariel was like, 768 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times I will kind of 769 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: mask this my seriousness with humor just because it's like 770 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: a protection. It's a good protection trait. She says also 771 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: at the end that she couldn't be herself and a 772 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: lot of the relationships were that she had in the past, 773 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 1: and that she's really not wanting to be alone anymore. 774 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: She says she's been alone for a long time and 775 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: she's tired of it, and that's what made her really emotional. 776 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: Towards the end of the day. She says that she 777 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: really thinks that Zach could be her forever person. And 778 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: I know this is crazy, but I think they think 779 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: they could be it in the end. It's beautiful. That 780 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: would be beautiful. Well, that takes us then to the 781 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: rose ceremony. Yeah, as Ashley mentioned, not a shocker on 782 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 1: who went home, Jess obviously has gone home, Ali is 783 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,760 Speaker 1: sent home. Charity already has a rose, and so does Ariel, 784 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: who's the other one with the rose. At this point, 785 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: there is no other one with the rose because you 786 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: remember at the group date, he didn't give a rose 787 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: because he felt weird. After the Jess elimination. Okay, So 788 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: then we have the first Rose goes to Gabby, then Katie, Brooklyn, Cat, 789 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: and Ali is sent home. That takes us into next 790 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: week Ashley, like every episode we do, I ask you, 791 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: who is your top three in order from your favorite 792 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: to I don't know three? Who still is a favorite? Ashley? 793 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: Top three? Okay, my top three is Aerial winning, Gabby 794 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: being number two and Katie being number three. Okay, I go, 795 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: I go Charity. Now, Cat as who number one? Do 796 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: you think he's gonna marry Charity or he's gonna get 797 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: engaged a Charity? At this point, I would not say 798 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: that I think that they're going to get engaged. I 799 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: still see Cat more of with him at the end. 800 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a rough and wild ride. 801 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 1: But right now where we sit in terms of his 802 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: infatuation and who I feel like has the most momentum, 803 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: I would go Charity, Cat and then Ariel Probably You're right, 804 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: Ariel probably have snuck up into the top three. He's 805 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: obsessed with Gabby right now? Ben sure sure? I mean, really, 806 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: like we said at the beginning, everybody like I could 807 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: have easily put Katie into this conversation still yeah, I 808 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: just put kid into conversation. So yeah, I don't know. Well, 809 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: first before we like wrap this up, I think we 810 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: do need to talk about Brooklyn's behavior towards Cat one 811 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: more time. Okay. So she's having a chat with Charity 812 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,240 Speaker 1: and it's adult like, you know, she says she doesn't 813 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that she in her you know, that 814 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: she took Zack away before their day. But then Brooklyn 815 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: comes in the room and goes, Charity, are you okay? 816 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my gosh, come on now, girl, 817 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: I get it. I don't like the cat move either, 818 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: but she is just she's got a thendetta against her. 819 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: Cat's pissed. She walked away from the situation. She's in 820 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: an interview, such a kind of kind of she's talking 821 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: to a producer in another room, and then Zach comes 822 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: up and then he pulls her aside, says that he 823 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: feels like they've been off and she's like, no, no no, 824 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: no, no no, Like I value every moment that I have 825 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: with you. It's just the group setting is really hard. 826 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: I haven't had like, you know, time alone with you 827 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 1: and quite some time, and I just feel like this 828 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 1: is the beginning of the end for them. That's all. 829 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: Do you have anything else to say about that Brooklyn scenario, Like, 830 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: do you think that I'm overdoing it? Like, I just 831 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: think her jealousy is blaring. I don't know, we haven't 832 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: seen you at this season. I don't have I mean, 833 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: I think for the first time. I usually I would say, hey, 834 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: this is definitely not going to end well. But we 835 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: don't know yet how Zach will respond because we haven't 836 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 1: really seen him respond to I guess we did with 837 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: like the Instagram following him respond to maybe like in 838 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: house controversy, but he might that Brooklyn is you know, 839 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: like into him and so protective of him. So I 840 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: don't have necessarily a feeling on where this ends other 841 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: than the fact that typically in seasons this never ends 842 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: well and now and maybe Kat is doing other things 843 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: that we haven't seen that are really irking the girls. 844 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: Nobody seems to be totally on her side. Gabby and 845 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: Ariel were even like, should we check on her? And 846 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,760 Speaker 1: Gabby was like, it wouldn't be in the best interest 847 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: of us. So it doesn't seem like anybody's trying to 848 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: rush your rescue. I am assuming that more has happened 849 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: than just that steal. But maybe we'll find out zim. Okay, well, 850 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: are we ready for Bachelor or headlines? We sure are 851 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: all right? First headline of today, Caitlin Bristows, this is 852 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: interesting to me, claims Bachelor footage of Zach sick in 853 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 1: London was shot in La. This is juicy. I love it. Yeah, 854 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: and Ashley, you know, read through and explain where this 855 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,839 Speaker 1: headline is going. But I have seen this headline. I've 856 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: I've I've listened to the clip. I don't know like 857 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: what we're getting at. Obviously, if he were we saying 858 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: he wasn't really sick in London? Are we saying that 859 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: something happened in London where he couldn't even be there. 860 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: I don't get what like the outcome is in terms 861 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: of what is being said, other than the fact that yes, 862 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: it's juicy and it's weird that she thinks it was 863 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: shot in LA and not London. Okay. She says that 864 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: when they show b roll of Zach, it looks like 865 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: he's not doing too bad, despite the dramatic footage of 866 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 1: him blowing his nose. She goes, he's like in his 867 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: hotel room in bad blowing his nose and he's got 868 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: a fake little cup of tea. That hotel is in La. 869 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: She goes, the proof is all in the headboard. It's 870 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,439 Speaker 1: the hotel that they always put up their people when 871 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: we do things like final rows or women tel all 872 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: mental law. That's where we stay in this very specific 873 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: bed when that has that back. So why would producers 874 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,320 Speaker 1: do this? According to Caitlin, they must have had been like, oh, 875 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: we need some b roll of Zach looking sick. So 876 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: then he's back in La They're like, hey, can we 877 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,800 Speaker 1: just get you blowing your nose and like holding a 878 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,760 Speaker 1: teacup in the hotel room. I agree that is definitely 879 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,240 Speaker 1: what happened. They were like when he was had COVID, 880 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: they weren't thinking about b roll of him being sick 881 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: and needing it, and they did they need that they 882 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 1: would have a cameraman in the room with him. Well 883 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: they wouldn't. That was probably why they And I don't 884 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: even know if he would have had his He wouldn't 885 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: even had his phone. So what they would have had 886 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: to do is like place camera or a phone outside 887 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: his room, have him bring it in. It takes some 888 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,719 Speaker 1: footage of him not feeling good and which they could 889 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: have done that, but maybe they just weren't thinking about it. Well. Yeah, 890 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: and what we saw and the scenes of him blowing 891 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: his nose, we're not taken from a phone and they 892 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: were taken by a third party. So interesting. I'd never 893 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: thought of this. I think last week when he was sick, 894 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 1: we did say isn't it interesting how much they still 895 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: allowed him to be around people even though he was sick? 896 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,439 Speaker 1: And so that does this does solve that where maybe 897 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: they shot a lot of this after the fact. Do 898 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: you think that they didn't want him to have a 899 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: computer or a phone and that's why they didn't do it, 900 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,920 Speaker 1: Because I just feel it's weird that they wouldn't, like 901 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: slip at him to the door. Yeah, it could be. 902 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: I mean, yike, next internet and reads everything about a 903 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: season and reads about all the exact all the girls. 904 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,400 Speaker 1: I did that during my season. That one room in 905 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,440 Speaker 1: Portland had a iPad it and it controlled the like 906 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: temperature in the room and the TV and all that, 907 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 1: and it had internet, and so I got on the Internet. 908 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: I researched every single person that was on my seat 909 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: and everything that was going on, what people were saying, 910 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was good or bad, but 911 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: I did it. Yeah, so yeah, that's probably one of 912 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 1: the reasons. Just interesting that Caitlin picked up on it 913 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: a little bit juicy, very JC. I love it. Next 914 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,640 Speaker 1: headline is this Claire Crawley responds to Bachelor's Zach claims 915 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: he wasn't allowed to intervene in drama and the quote 916 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: here is you don't have to do anything the producers 917 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,720 Speaker 1: tell you to do, just comes with consequences if you don't. 918 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: That's kind of what we were saying a few weeks ago. Okay, 919 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 1: So in an Entertainment Weekly video that was posted earlier 920 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: this month, Zach said, when someone steals you and I 921 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: don't know if I can say all this, but I 922 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: gotta keep my mouth shut let it happen as much 923 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,439 Speaker 1: as I can. So there are times when I want 924 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,399 Speaker 1: to speak a gap and be like, oh yeah, all right, 925 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: let's go talk. But it's for the environment we're in 926 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: that it has to be handled by the women. He 927 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 1: also said, I think my face gives it away a lot, 928 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 1: whether or not I want to be pooled or not. 929 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: I'm really bad at hiding it, and he's right there, 930 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm really bad at hiding when I'm feeling I'm like 931 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: really so bad at it, So I kind of just 932 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,879 Speaker 1: let it play out and then okay. So that's that's 933 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,760 Speaker 1: one theory on it. Um. As the lead, I feel like, Ben, 934 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 1: you are better to give a response to this before 935 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,399 Speaker 1: I go into what Claire's response was. Yeah, I mean 936 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: it's a balance, right, It's a balance. It's a it's 937 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: it definitely is a balance. However, kind you know we 938 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,799 Speaker 1: are you are the lead of a season where everybody, 939 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,360 Speaker 1: the contestants, and you are participating in this experience. We've 940 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: just hammered that today. And part of his job is too, 941 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,279 Speaker 1: you know. It's it's what everybody's intention is going in. 942 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,880 Speaker 1: My intention was I wanted everybody, probably based on my 943 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 1: own issues with wanting people to um leave experiences with 944 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: me and be like I'm glad he was there. I 945 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: wanted everybody come on my season and if even if 946 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,759 Speaker 1: they were let go, they were just happy they did it. 947 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,360 Speaker 1: And so that's how how I navigated any drama or 948 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: controversy is can we settle this? Can we come to 949 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,280 Speaker 1: a place of agreement, because I don't want you leaving 950 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: feeling like this was a bad experience for you. I 951 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,799 Speaker 1: think I failed with Olivia during that I don't think 952 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 1: I did a good job at helping protect her. But 953 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,880 Speaker 1: for the most part that season, I feel like the 954 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: women left and we're in a good place now. Zach 955 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: went into this and his intention that we heard very 956 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,919 Speaker 1: clearly was he was here because he wanted to find love. 957 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 1: Like that, he Zach wanted to find love, and so 958 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: everything that he is doing is on that pursuit and 959 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: the you know, we've seen that with you know, the 960 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: controversy with the women, and so maybe he isn't as 961 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,400 Speaker 1: interested in entering into drama because he doesn't really focus 962 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,359 Speaker 1: as much on the experience in general. He just cares 963 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,279 Speaker 1: about when he's with somebody, are they getting closer to 964 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 1: deciding are they the right match for each other or not? 965 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,360 Speaker 1: So that maybe why he stays out of it. It 966 00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,759 Speaker 1: doesn't intrigue him. It's not a part of his pursuit. Mmmmmmm. 967 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,759 Speaker 1: And the person that is like kind of being a 968 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: little bit more produce is probably someone that he doesn't 969 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,839 Speaker 1: like care to really sure continue with the process. Right, 970 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 1: So it's exactly whatever, I'll do this for a show. 971 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,320 Speaker 1: But Claire is exactly right. What she says, the producers 972 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,600 Speaker 1: tell you to do. You do not have to do 973 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,759 Speaker 1: what the producers tell you to do. That's why. Um. 974 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 1: In the past I've always said, hey, editing, Yes, that 975 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 1: has been a problem for some I won't discount that. 976 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,760 Speaker 1: But in general, when you blame the producers for making 977 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: you do something, my response is, you don't have to 978 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,560 Speaker 1: do it. Now. It does come with consequences maybe if 979 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: you don't, but you don't know what those consequences are, 980 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 1: if they're great or small. You just don't have to 981 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: do what the producers tell you to do. That is 982 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: not a thing that you have to do. Well. Claire 983 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,839 Speaker 1: wrote that underneath a VID that video of Zach explaining 984 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 1: why he made the choices he did. She said, you 985 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: don't have to do anything, you know, with the quotes around, 986 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: have to do anything on you to do. But she 987 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,280 Speaker 1: does add just comes with consequences if you don't. Yeah, 988 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,839 Speaker 1: I mean, we saw it with Claire. She got up 989 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 1: in left like a few weeks into her season and 990 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: had a whole production set waiting behind, and like she 991 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: just said, no, I'm doing this, sorry guys, and she 992 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: did it and out it came with consequences, But we 993 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,400 Speaker 1: ended up getting Tasha, you know, from that, so it 994 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,440 Speaker 1: all worked out all right. Final headline out today, Rachel, 995 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,239 Speaker 1: the former Bachelorette, speaks out after Zach shall cross references 996 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 1: they're passed again on The Bachelor. I was surprised to 997 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,840 Speaker 1: see Rachel speak out on Zach after last week's episode 998 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,320 Speaker 1: because he has been kind of going around still bringing 999 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 1: up the fantasy suite or whatever happened between the two 1000 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: of them and there multiple times throughout his press tour 1001 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,520 Speaker 1: being the Bachelor, So I wasn't sure if Rachel was 1002 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: the biggest fan. But she did come to his defense 1003 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 1: last week when people were specifically going after him about 1004 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,280 Speaker 1: the way that he handled a greer conversation and said, 1005 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: let's all be mindful and extend a little bit of 1006 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:11,440 Speaker 1: compassion and grace towards the leads of this show. I 1007 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,719 Speaker 1: think that's a great thought. But you know, they are 1008 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,839 Speaker 1: the lead of the show, and so we are going 1009 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,399 Speaker 1: to talk about their decision making and how they're navigating it. 1010 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,359 Speaker 1: That's part of watching the show is fans. But yes, 1011 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,720 Speaker 1: when it comes to personal hits on people and claiming 1012 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 1: there this and that, and you know, saying terrible things 1013 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 1: that make people doubt themselves. Not fair, but yeah, of 1014 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,319 Speaker 1: course not. We don't want like the actual bullying, but 1015 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,319 Speaker 1: like what we do here on the podcast, which is 1016 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 1: critique the episodes and critique some of the moves made, 1017 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,319 Speaker 1: you know, gotta do it these journeys. We're in it. 1018 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: And I am personally actually very excited for the rest 1019 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,440 Speaker 1: of this season because, as we mentioned many times, probably 1020 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: the coolest part about this season is there has been 1021 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,840 Speaker 1: a lack of drama and there is a lot of 1022 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,320 Speaker 1: connections still being formed, and there's a lot of people 1023 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,040 Speaker 1: right now that we could see with Zach at the end. 1024 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,120 Speaker 1: That is exciting and it makes me very intrigued for 1025 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: the next few episodes. We'll be on the edge of 1026 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,440 Speaker 1: our seat. Form Hey, Ben, I have a thought. We 1027 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 1: keep saying that we feel like a lot of these 1028 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,320 Speaker 1: girls are in contention. Sure, do you think that normally 1029 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,879 Speaker 1: there are these many girls in contention at this point 1030 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,799 Speaker 1: we just don't see it, But we don't really see 1031 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: it because there's more drama storylines. I think, Yeah, so 1032 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 1: they are giving us the connection that we've been asking for. 1033 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,800 Speaker 1: They really have listened to the fans in that sense, 1034 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,399 Speaker 1: and I have really been quite intrigued the past couple 1035 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: episodes as I continue to be confused where this is 1036 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: all going to go. They're listening to the fans. This 1037 00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,759 Speaker 1: feels more like a season from you know, two thousand 1038 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 1: and thirteen than it does from a season of recent 1039 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: because drama has taken a backseat to love stories. And 1040 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,319 Speaker 1: I think if the fans that are watching it, I 1041 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: think they're enjoying that. I think they're into that. I 1042 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 1: know I am at least, and so um yeah, we'll 1043 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,719 Speaker 1: be It'll be an interesting end of the season, well 1044 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,879 Speaker 1: until next time. Until next week when we break down 1045 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 1: another episode of The Bachelor. 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