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Speaker 2: Today is Tuesday, February sixth, and we are now seventy
Speaker 2: nine days away from the twenty twenty four NFL Draft
Speaker 2: in Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 3: Under eighty to go. The All Star Games are in
Speaker 3: the review mirror. We've got next up on the draft
Speaker 3: event list.
Speaker 2: It's combined time and we've got plenty to talk about
Speaker 2: here over the next hour. We've got Nick Harris and
Speaker 2: Ayisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yewmans, Chris Beam in the back,
Speaker 2: Brian Bobby and Zach Walchuk are all doing their thing
Speaker 2: out at Radio Row with one O five three the Fan,
Speaker 2: our home for draft coverage of course every year. And
Speaker 2: they are out there just Dixon mingle and doing their thing, networking,
Speaker 2: talking the scouts, talking the agents.
Speaker 4: That are available, and yeah, surely not having a good
Speaker 4: time with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're definitely not having a couple of drinks
Speaker 3: or not having any fun.
Speaker 5: Ye, not any I did not have food or I
Speaker 5: did not know, guys, I did not well because I
Speaker 5: have been to a super Bowl on accident. I have
Speaker 5: been to a whole nother day on accident. I'm telling you.
Speaker 5: I have a good friend that plays piano for Bruno Mars.
Speaker 5: So the year that they were in Houston, he hits
Speaker 5: me up like, hey, come down, you can go to
Speaker 5: the events. You can go. He always gives me tickets.
Speaker 5: That's my buddy. So I'm like, okay, cool, I pull up.
Speaker 5: And it's funny because I'm here now. So I pull
Speaker 5: up in my Kia in my Buffalo wild Wings uniform.
Speaker 2: Neither one of those responsors, but we'll keep Hey, she
Speaker 2: worked there, I worked there.
Speaker 5: I worked there. I pulled up in my Kia. I
Speaker 5: heard it's the Four Seasons. It's the four It's fancy.
Speaker 5: He just drops the pen to me pull up. The
Speaker 5: valet comes up to me. He's like, man, I'm sorry
Speaker 5: rush you, but mister Jones is behind you. Jerry. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh crap, I leave all my stuff. You're funny.
Speaker 5: I leave all my stuff in the car. But anyway,
Speaker 5: it's an event. It is a big deal. Like I
Speaker 5: didn't realize until kind of seeing some of the stuff,
Speaker 5: like with the Chiefs and they're interviewing and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And that was in Houston. Imagine what it is in Vegas.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, yo, this is this how I wonder
Speaker 5: how I thought to myself, how do the players stay
Speaker 5: grounded all of the It takes a different level of discipline,
Speaker 5: I'm assuming because it's just I'm just looking at it.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Yo, this is entertainment. This is interviews and
Speaker 5: lights and cameras, and I don't know, it just seems
Speaker 5: like a lot. I didn't know it was like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and by a certain point in your career, like
Speaker 6: when you're Tom Brady and you get to like that
Speaker 6: ninth super Bowl, Like I've.
Speaker 4: Been through this already.
Speaker 6: So it's that's a distinct advantage that you have in
Speaker 6: your career to be able to take over something like that.
Speaker 5: But right, it's just nuts. I been looking at all
Speaker 5: the media coverage from the super Bowl right now, and
Speaker 5: I'm just like, what is going on?
Speaker 4: Taylor swifting to the equation too?
Speaker 5: Man? That makes it it's a spectacle.
Speaker 3: We'll see if she even gets there. We'll see if
Speaker 3: he gets there in time. I hope she does. I
Speaker 3: really did.
Speaker 2: In Tokyo the day before, like the night before she's
Speaker 2: in Tokyo and then has to take a thirteen hour flight.
Speaker 2: She would have to leave like at eleven thirty to
Speaker 2: make it happen or something like that. I've seen like
Speaker 2: fifteen infographics about it on so they're gonna.
Speaker 6: Find Yeah, we're gonna track that flight too. It's gonna
Speaker 6: be a whole whole thing to Saturday.
Speaker 2: Everybody's gonna pick up whatever jet she's on, and they're
Speaker 2: gonna be on flight aware.
Speaker 3: It'll take her own jet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a coaching search with me.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be swift. He's on the coaching search. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so I think she'll be there. I hope she is.
Speaker 5: That'd be fun interesting.
Speaker 2: All Right, We've got plenty to talk about draft wise,
Speaker 2: and of course Twitter on the twenty coming up at
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Speaker 2: That's how we're going to take it. I didn't send
Speaker 2: it out early this morning like I normally do. I
Speaker 2: send it out like ten minutes ago. So send it
Speaker 2: to us now and we'll answer your draft questions. We're
Speaker 2: also going to talk about the Senior Bowl here in
Speaker 2: a matter of moments and really what happened out in Mobile.
Speaker 2: But first I wanted to go through some hypotheticals. We've
Speaker 2: done this on this show once or twice where we
Speaker 2: put together first, second, third round mock drafts, and I
Speaker 2: want to choose which one would you rather have out
Speaker 2: of these potentials.
Speaker 3: And then I've got a wild card that we're going
Speaker 3: to throw in here too, so one that you don't
Speaker 3: know of, one that something will happen that isn't at
Speaker 3: pick number twenty four.
Speaker 2: So we're going to start things off with round one,
Speaker 2: and these are Dallas Cowboys picks.
Speaker 3: Right, I gotta write these down, yep, write them down.
Speaker 2: Round one, Jackson Powers, Johnson center or offensive lineman. I
Speaker 2: guess I should say out Oregon is your first round pick,
Speaker 2: trying to bolster that offensive line. Round two, in this scenario,
Speaker 2: the linebacker out of Texas A and m Edgrin Cooper
Speaker 2: is your next man up. And then you've got in
Speaker 2: round number three, Trey Benson. Trey Benson, of course, the
Speaker 2: famed running back who played his final couple uh snaps
Speaker 2: with Florida State he was kind of all over the
Speaker 2: place with he before that was he with the Oregon previous, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Oregon previously. Then he transferred to Florida State, had a
Speaker 2: phenomenal season for the seminals.
Speaker 3: That is your first scenario.
Speaker 2: JPJ, followed by Edrin Cooper, Trey Benson, Oregon, Texas, A
Speaker 2: and M and Florida State altogether.
Speaker 3: Did you just break a Micael The mic.
Speaker 5: Is falling apart. That's like the pie that's falling off.
Speaker 3: Not to mess with it too much because Beamer will
Speaker 3: come in here and he'll fix.
Speaker 7: It like that.
Speaker 5: I've been trying to play it off, but I guess, I.
Speaker 4: Guess the microphone is not a Benson fans.
Speaker 5: It's made a scene since you start talking about these scenarios.
Speaker 3: Currently, the microphone wants segment number two. That's good. So
Speaker 3: here's here's choice number two out of that.
Speaker 2: First off, do you want to give thoughts on that
Speaker 2: first trio? Let's give it. Let's give some thoughts on
Speaker 2: the first trio.
Speaker 6: Yes, so you have round one Jackson powers Johnson. You're
Speaker 6: able to solidify up front in the interior there, I'm
Speaker 6: trying to do this while Typic you solidified the interior.
Speaker 6: There a really good run blocker as well, and you
Speaker 6: would have to think from a Cowboys perspective, it would
Speaker 6: be a replacement for Tyler Biadis for here to leave
Speaker 6: in free agency. The one thing that you don't have
Speaker 6: in this scenario is tackle help, So you would either
Speaker 6: have to get that in free agency or bring back
Speaker 6: Tyron Smith and hope for the same level or better
Speaker 6: health than you had this year. But you're able to
Speaker 6: get a linebacker that's really productive and can stop the
Speaker 6: run and playing coverage, and you're able to get a
Speaker 6: running back that was really productive for a really good
Speaker 6: team last year.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, if we're being honest, besides the fact
Speaker 5: that you're not touching, you're not getting a tackle early.
Speaker 5: This this is cooking with gas. In my opinion, this
Speaker 5: would be ideal on a whole other level to be
Speaker 5: able to get a runner that's also also too. I
Speaker 5: think if you pair him with another running back, he
Speaker 5: can do some things in the passing game. Runs with
Speaker 5: some ferocity. Edren Cooper, we know what he's capable of
Speaker 5: doing and how he can read and react. And then
Speaker 5: with Jackson power Shahnson, I mean probably to me at
Speaker 5: all the positions. When you look at every player in
Speaker 5: the draft, I think this might be the most balanced
Speaker 5: player period in his position specifically. So I'm all for this.
Speaker 5: This is this is candy if it happens.
Speaker 3: Easy money, right, easy money, all right.
Speaker 2: So that's a pretty good draft. I like it overall
Speaker 2: because I like what you can do upfront. I like
Speaker 2: the fact that you solidified the second level with a
Speaker 2: guy who has some versatility in Cooper.
Speaker 3: He can rush the pastor if you want him to.
Speaker 3: I think he would pair very nicely with the Barbie
Speaker 3: and Opra.
Speaker 5: I was about to say all that length tons of.
Speaker 3: Link at the second level. I think you've got a
Speaker 3: lot there.
Speaker 2: And then you get a solid bellcal esque running back
Speaker 2: in Tray Benson. So you really check boxes in this
Speaker 2: first one. The second one is a lot of fun too, though.
Speaker 2: Tyler Geiton is your first round pick. Offensive tackle out
Speaker 2: of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: That is your second.
Speaker 2: That is the first pick of the second scenario, followed
Speaker 2: by Devandre Sweat, one of my favorite players in the
Speaker 2: entire draft. He's one of my pet cats. The defensive
Speaker 2: tackle out of Texas. Yes they do have Byron Murphy
Speaker 2: the second. Don't mix the two up. Because they're different players.
Speaker 2: Sweat six foot what four three and sixty pounds? Yes,
Speaker 2: I mean every bit a big time you force. Yes,
Speaker 2: a machine on the inside. I think he's if he's
Speaker 2: even there in round two, don't waste your time, make
Speaker 2: the pick and then you've got a run stuffer in
Speaker 2: the middle and then your third round pick. This is
Speaker 2: interesting because you're talking about value here as well. Brendan Rice,
Speaker 2: wide receiver from usc Interesting what you got going on there?
Speaker 3: What are you thinking out out of those three names, Guitton, Sweat,
Speaker 3: and Rice, you think they.
Speaker 5: Will attackle a wide receiver that if.
Speaker 6: He's on the board, that's that's the right Jerry Rice's son, that's.
Speaker 5: The right answer. With Brendan Rice. One of the first
Speaker 5: things that stood out to me, and he displayed it
Speaker 5: at the Senior ball as well. His hands are so strong,
Speaker 5: I mean the way that he's able to he snatches
Speaker 5: the ball out of the air. Just a physical player.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind that. And as far
Speaker 5: as Tyler guyiten, I see a lot of don't kill me.
Speaker 5: I see a lot of Tyler Smith in this game.
Speaker 5: I see a lot of that that angry play and
Speaker 5: also to his anchor, just has that strength that you're
Speaker 5: looking for that I felt like Tyler had as well. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't mind. I actually somebody posted on Twitter like
Speaker 5: the Tavandre sweat, think if he's there in the second round,
Speaker 5: and I posted the Wakanda.
Speaker 4: Forever with that question yeastely And.
Speaker 5: There's some people who disagreed, And I was very curious
Speaker 5: as to why anybody would be hesitating. Do you think
Speaker 5: it's often because maybe people have a bad taste in
Speaker 5: their mouth for some of the things that we've done
Speaker 5: with DT here the last couple of years.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's necessarily that, or if fans
Speaker 6: want different pace positions, you know, and that's probably something
Speaker 6: like tweet out his guys like if getting a defensive
Speaker 6: tackle in the second round, if you have a problem
Speaker 6: with that, why is the problem? Is it more so
Speaker 6: you see a need for a position elsewhere or is
Speaker 6: it the history of the tackles. I think if there's
Speaker 6: a really good d tackle that you feel like can
Speaker 6: stop the run in that second round and you can
Speaker 6: be confident that can come in early and play early,
Speaker 6: you're gonna need that. I mean, Jonathan Hankins is only
Speaker 6: getting older. If you bring him back in free agency,
Speaker 6: he's only getting older. I mean, he's talked to He
Speaker 6: released a YouTube video a couple days after the Green
Speaker 6: Bay Packers loss, and he said he's contemplated retirement the
Speaker 6: last two offseasons, but you know that he's going into
Speaker 6: this offseason ready to attack it again. He said he'd
Speaker 6: love to be a Dallas cowboy. You would have to
Speaker 6: think that he's back, But I mean, you have to
Speaker 6: start planning for the future at that position. It would
Speaker 6: not be a bad time to do it. It's a
Speaker 6: good d tackle class.
Speaker 2: So out of those two before I throw in the
Speaker 2: wild card? Out of those two, which one.
Speaker 3: Do you like? So far?
Speaker 2: Out of the two scenarios, and I'll tweet these out
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm gonna send them out there. You
Speaker 2: talked about the fans getting involved in the break. I'll
Speaker 2: tweet them out there and kind of see what they're
Speaker 2: going with. Oh, we've got film behind us being cooking
Speaker 2: something up, right, But yeah, we've we've got something going
Speaker 2: on with with these two scenarios.
Speaker 3: Because you're fixing both spots at this point.
Speaker 5: What's the wildcard?
Speaker 3: Well, I want to I want to hear your thoughts
Speaker 3: going into the wild card.
Speaker 4: It's too important thoughts going into the wildcard round.
Speaker 3: Don't give me that stop.
Speaker 5: I will cry on this show right now.
Speaker 4: Can we get a super wildcard like a fourth one?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, or like a seventh seed.
Speaker 3: No, this is a good one.
Speaker 4: It is a super wildcard, Guiden.
Speaker 5: It has some flex, yes.
Speaker 4: You could say so. I'd like to keep it that tackle.
Speaker 5: Though, Okay, we know how people do the thing, because
Speaker 5: I think that would matter because you know Jackson powers.
Speaker 5: Johnson has Fleggs, Yes he does. So when you're comparing
Speaker 5: the two offensive lineman what we talked about this last week,
Speaker 5: what is the biggest thing that you want to address?
Speaker 5: Is it tackle or is it sinner?
Speaker 6: I think it depends on what happens in free agency.
Speaker 6: I think it's really dependent on that.
Speaker 4: And it's tough.
Speaker 3: You've gotten it's tough. You've gotten in trouble previously about oh,
Speaker 3: there's some footage Tyler gotten footage out there, Tyler guiding
Speaker 3: against Darius Robinson, edge rusher from a Missouri and as
Speaker 3: a handful. Yeah, he got around Hi pretty quick there.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But if you're talking about position flex, you've gotten in
Speaker 3: trouble the last couple of years looking at position flex.
Speaker 3: I know Brian had brought that up previously. Does that
Speaker 3: stop you at.
Speaker 2: All from saying, Okay, Jackson powers. Johnson has some position flex,
Speaker 2: but I want him at center. Tyler Gotton is not
Speaker 2: a question. He's going to be a tackle. That's how
Speaker 2: it's gonna end up working.
Speaker 5: I mean, I do. I said it last week. I
Speaker 5: do think we should position flex shouldn't be a band aid.
Speaker 5: I mean it's it's nothing wrong with shoring up spots
Speaker 5: and guy's filling in and things like that, but I
Speaker 5: do think it is very difficult. Everyone's not gonna be
Speaker 5: able to take this information and to learn from it
Speaker 5: and be able to just plug and play and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. I mean, Tyler Smith and when he was
Speaker 5: able to do at tackle and guard is commendable, but
Speaker 5: it's not something I recommend for early development. I understand
Speaker 5: that like team other players have done it. They played
Speaker 5: guarf a little bit and then play tackling stuff. But
Speaker 5: I am at a place to where I think that
Speaker 5: we should be this year. Position Let's refine it, let's
Speaker 5: let you master it. So I say that to say
Speaker 5: that I worry about them looking at oh, he's flexible here,
Speaker 5: and then having them do all this different stuff. I
Speaker 5: would like for people to just be able to come
Speaker 5: in and play their spot. Yeah, I agree, That's how
Speaker 5: I feel.
Speaker 6: Now, what just know that there's a possibility out there
Speaker 6: in the multiverse that the Dallas Cowboys have three Tyler's
Speaker 6: on their offensive lines next season.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna cry. We can't get what is it? What
Speaker 5: is it about it?
Speaker 2: It's everybody, every good offensive lineman that plays in a
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys uniform has the first letter.
Speaker 3: Of their name being T. That's what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Terrence Tyler, Tyrone Tyler, and Tyler Tyler.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna ask my friend.
Speaker 3: Ziffer Zach. Zach is pretty good about that.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna ask my friend because at this point it
Speaker 5: feels like maybe even a subconscious thing they're doing and
Speaker 5: they don't even realize because baby have mercy, all right?
Speaker 3: So, which one do you like more?
Speaker 2: Jackie j Edrin Cooper, Trey Benson or Tyler Gotten Sweat
Speaker 2: and Brendan Warne Rice.
Speaker 3: Which one do you like?
Speaker 4: I'm taking the Jackson powers Johnson one.
Speaker 6: I'd love to be able to solidify the middle of
Speaker 6: bad offensive line with a guy that can be on
Speaker 6: a cheap contract or a rookie contract for the first
Speaker 6: four to five years and then be able to just
Speaker 6: sit and hone in on that center position. We see
Speaker 6: how valuable Travis Frederick was in this building for as
Speaker 6: long as he was here. You know, get a guy
Speaker 6: that can do hopefully similar things, and then you solidify
Speaker 6: that second level with Eddrian Cooper. You bring in a
Speaker 6: guy who's been durable, he's been productive. I was the
Speaker 6: one who kind of made this little scenario here. I
Speaker 6: was between Edrin Cooper and Peyton Wilson in the spot,
Speaker 6: but I wanted to get a guy that had health
Speaker 6: because I wanted the wild card to be the running
Speaker 6: back in the third round and being able to take
Speaker 6: Trade Benson there. I think you compare him with whatever
Speaker 6: you want to do. I think you can have a
Speaker 6: lot of different possibilities to do with Trade Benson. He
Speaker 6: could be that power back, or he can be kind
Speaker 6: of that secondary back. I think when you bring him
Speaker 6: in and bring him in through training camp, you kind
Speaker 6: of have that flexibility and you compare him with a
Speaker 6: free agent or with Tony Pollard and have some ability there.
Speaker 4: But that's that's the scenario I like before the Wild Guard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's hard for me because I do
Speaker 5: think you get some really a lot of upside from
Speaker 5: the guide into and Andre Sweat and Brendan Rice.
Speaker 2: I think that's your value trio. I think you're looking
Speaker 2: at those three guys and those are all value picks. Yes,
Speaker 2: Guidan is there, Sweat is there, Rice is there?
Speaker 3: You feel really good about those three the jpj Edrin Cooper,
Speaker 3: Tray Benson. That's a need fit if anything. I mean,
Speaker 3: you're taking three guys that you feel like can plug
Speaker 3: and play right now in those positions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what makes it difficult because I do I
Speaker 5: wholeheartedly feel like this center class is one of the
Speaker 5: better ones we've seen. Some of these interior guys are
Speaker 5: some of the better ones we've seen, and I don't
Speaker 5: want to pass up on that opportunity because center is
Speaker 5: one of those positions too. I feel like it's up
Speaker 5: and down what you get year to year specifically, and
Speaker 5: so when you do have a year where there's some
Speaker 5: good interior guys, you go get it, like you go
Speaker 5: get it because it's stabilizes your offensive line in a
Speaker 5: way that even a tackle can't. So I would definitely
Speaker 5: lean to the side of the Jackson Powers, Johnson, Adrian Cooper,
Speaker 5: Tray Benson. Although the guide Intovandre Sweat and Brendan Rice Trap,
Speaker 5: that would.
Speaker 3: Be these are vibes.
Speaker 5: I'd be happy it would be vibes. That's a good
Speaker 5: way to put it.
Speaker 4: That's a good way, all right.
Speaker 3: So here's the wild card. Okay, I've thrown this out there.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it live US three.
Speaker 2: We were in the war room currently, we are going
Speaker 2: to draft live. Here's what happened at twenty four. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're no longer picking at twenty four.
Speaker 3: Okay. The Baltimore Ravens got on the phone. They really
Speaker 3: liked a Marius Memes, the tackle out of Georgia, who
Speaker 3: is still available at twenty four. Hang up the phone,
Speaker 3: but please exactly. I think I would too. But we
Speaker 3: went ahead and we said we'll listen to your offer.
Speaker 2: Baltimore came in and they said, we're going to send
Speaker 2: you our third round pick, and we're also going to
Speaker 2: send you our fourth round pick.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of options there. Fifty six, so you.
Speaker 2: You now have to move down from twenty four to thirty,
Speaker 2: you go to you've still hold on to fifty six.
Speaker 2: You also have eighty seven, ninety three, and you pick
Speaker 2: up one thirty.
Speaker 3: Those are your your picks there. So you pick up
Speaker 3: two extra selections off of moving down from twenty four
Speaker 3: to thirty on your.
Speaker 4: Clock, and you get a fourth round pick that you
Speaker 4: don't have.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do it because also to
Speaker 5: I mean, we were at the shrine.
Speaker 3: You don't hang up the phone. You gotta listen.
Speaker 6: No, I'm hanging up the phone because it's an it's
Speaker 6: a maria because it's now. If they were calling and
Speaker 6: they're like, hey, you know we're looking at Kenyon Mitchell,
Speaker 6: that'd be a lot because he's somehow slid or Terry
Speaker 6: and Arnold and I'm like, okay, like go ahead, I'd listen.
Speaker 6: But if it's a tackle that's slipping, you're you're the
Speaker 6: one that's hopping on the phone with yourself. You got
Speaker 6: like a guy at the end of the table. It's
Speaker 6: like hey, yeah, like that's it's no, it's a move
Speaker 6: down six spots.
Speaker 3: You picked up ninety three and one thirty four.
Speaker 6: ID take a Marius Mems. But but let's let's look
Speaker 6: into the scenario here. So you slip down to thirty.
Speaker 6: Here are you taking it thirty?
Speaker 4: Is that the question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're taking a thirty? Who are you taking there?
Speaker 2: We've got the guys who went off the clock initially
Speaker 2: between Memes or these are the guys you missed out on.
Speaker 2: Marius Memes Georgia, Troy Franklin, wide receiver, Oregon, Ennis Rakestraw
Speaker 2: corner from Missouri, Jordan Morgan off the board at twenty
Speaker 2: seven tackle from Arizona. I think that's the guy you
Speaker 2: were hoping you can maybe still pick up at thirty.
Speaker 2: Kamari Lassiter corner from Georgia. And then Brayln Trice twenty
Speaker 2: nine to Detroit, Washington edge rusher for that one. So
Speaker 2: the names that you've got on the board, You've still
Speaker 2: got a quarterback there. Pennix is there, Byron Murphy is
Speaker 2: still there, Lad Mcconklely.
Speaker 3: Tyler Dydon is still available at thirty?
Speaker 4: Is grand Barton still there?
Speaker 3: Let's see Barton Barton, Barton, I don't see him here initially.
Speaker 4: If not, I'm taking Guidon.
Speaker 5: I'm about to say I'm totally okay with taking Dyiton
Speaker 5: there as well.
Speaker 3: Grand Barton is still available.
Speaker 4: I'm probably taking Grand.
Speaker 5: Barton because that center present. You gotta get it.
Speaker 3: You still got Grand Barton. You guys want to take
Speaker 3: Grand Barton, I'm going to take Grand Barton.
Speaker 5: So what you're doing, Who's hirer on your board right now?
Speaker 5: Who's hiring my board? Graham?
Speaker 3: So let's take Graham. Okay, the window dress, let's go Boom.
Speaker 3: Got it. So we not only picked up two extra selections,
Speaker 3: but we also still took a solid offensive lineman in
Speaker 3: the first round.
Speaker 5: Which is a huge deal though, because that not having
Speaker 5: a fourth round, and I'm very curious to see what
Speaker 5: they do to maybe address that before the draft, because
Speaker 5: not having a fourth just feels.
Speaker 4: So big, especially in this draft.
Speaker 5: Yeh, it's so much, so much. Mid round you pick.
Speaker 2: Up a different top one hundred, pick two, you pick
Speaker 2: up now, you pick at eighty seven and ninety three,
Speaker 2: and you've got a fourth round pick in the meat
Speaker 2: of this draft where you need to pick up linebackers.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think trade down scenario is already well
Speaker 2: looking pretty good. In the second round, picking at what
Speaker 2: is this fifty six fifty six Jatavian Sanders is there?
Speaker 2: Bryden Fisk from Florida State, Xavier Worthy from Texas, Edrin Cooper,
Speaker 2: A and m We talked about him the moment ago
Speaker 2: to Andre Sweat from Texas. Jairmy Trotter, linebacker from Clemson,
Speaker 2: still available. There any names that stick out there at
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Trotter and Cooper for sure. I'd probably go ahead
Speaker 4: and take Cooper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and take Cooper there. What would you take?
Speaker 5: Y'all know how I feel about.
Speaker 2: There're two different linebackers. One's got length in one purely
Speaker 2: does not, and that's Trotter. But you talk about I mean,
Speaker 2: film awareness, you talk about sideline, the sideline ability.
Speaker 3: Trotter's got a lot of that.
Speaker 4: Agree, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5: I would probably take Trotter there. I know that it's
Speaker 5: not pretty or it's not sexy, I guess you want
Speaker 5: to say. But at the same time, I said, you're
Speaker 5: taking Trotter, yes, because I just like his We need
Speaker 5: the Cowboys rather, they need somebody to be able to
Speaker 5: stand in there and rereact, be physical consistently. I know
Speaker 5: we talk about the length, but I mean I know
Speaker 5: that whatever. We haven't talked about it. But whoever comes
Speaker 5: in here from a defensive coordinators standpoint, may not be
Speaker 5: running as much Diamond Nickel. However, you do still have
Speaker 5: safeties who can do some of that stuff that you
Speaker 5: may be worried about. Lengthwise with Trotter than me, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 5: I just like his fire, I like the way he plays,
Speaker 5: and I like the way that Adrian plays. But I'm
Speaker 5: more Cooper jumps off to tape more than me. He
Speaker 5: did initially to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, being I think this is an interesting kind of
Speaker 6: predicament here because since we started draft talk, it's kind
Speaker 6: of almost a foregone conclusion at this point that the
Speaker 6: Cowboys fan base once.
Speaker 4: Offensive line in the first round.
Speaker 6: Yes, Is it starting to get to that point with
Speaker 6: a linebacker in the second round?
Speaker 3: Ooh, it's getting there.
Speaker 4: I feel like it is.
Speaker 6: You know, you look at the talent at the top
Speaker 6: of the board for linebackers, and that's where you're probably
Speaker 6: going to see a run in the late second round,
Speaker 6: early third round. If you want to go get a
Speaker 6: good one, you probably have to go get it at
Speaker 6: fifty six.
Speaker 3: I agree completely with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think by the time you get to those
Speaker 5: later rounds, these top guys are going to be gone.
Speaker 5: I do think there are some value some value guys
Speaker 5: like I don't want to butcher his name again. It's
Speaker 5: hard for me to say the gentleman that was here
Speaker 5: at the Shrinebold Darius Mussou Mussau. I do think he
Speaker 5: is actually probably gonna be rising up some people's boards.
Speaker 5: So from from UCLA, so when you look later down
Speaker 5: the board, yeah, the talent does drop off a bit.
Speaker 5: And I do think you're gonna address linebacker. You're gonna
Speaker 5: have to do it early.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, Oh no, no, I didn't want to cut
Speaker 3: you off.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, I do want to ask do y'all, but
Speaker 5: do y'all think that linebacker is something that you would
Speaker 5: have more? I mean, you got possibly a coach coming
Speaker 5: in four year next year, kind of still in that
Speaker 5: win now situation. Do you want to bring in another
Speaker 5: rook to help this or do you.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're if you're expecting Layton Vandersh to
Speaker 3: come back, no, okay, but I don't think anybody in
Speaker 3: this building is expecting Layton vander Esh to be what
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 5: Okay, So that that kind of answers my question in
Speaker 5: regard to Okay, so if you attack free agency to
Speaker 5: get a linebacker that can help you win. Now, does
Speaker 5: that change how you look at line as far as okay,
Speaker 5: I'm going to go get a guy early, as opposed
Speaker 5: to being okay with maybe finding a guy in the
Speaker 5: middle rounds, because if you're not looking for him to
Speaker 5: come in and be a difference maker right away, then
Speaker 5: maybe you're okay with third round maybe later.
Speaker 4: That's very valid. I think that's question this whole draft.
Speaker 3: Say the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to go get a veteran linebacker
Speaker 2: because they've done this in the past where they they
Speaker 2: fill holes. They fill these spots before you even get
Speaker 2: the draft weekend, and then you say, let's go best
Speaker 2: player available with a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of a need thrown in there. Okay, So I think
Speaker 3: either way you're going to have a veteran linebacker already
Speaker 3: in the building whenever the draft comes around. If you don't,
Speaker 3: then I think the.
Speaker 2: Need is even heightened. Yeah, I think it gets to
Speaker 2: the point where it's your second third round. You've got
Speaker 2: to get somebody in those rounds just based off of
Speaker 2: a need standpoint.
Speaker 5: That's a good question.
Speaker 3: I still think it is.
Speaker 5: That was a good question, Nick Well, a good comment
Speaker 5: in regard to what's happening with linebacker right now in
Speaker 5: the nation.
Speaker 3: We are going to take Jeremiah Troda out of Clemson
Speaker 3: as our second pick, just for the sake of being
Speaker 3: different since we already have a scenario with Cooper.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna take Trotter in the third round. You
Speaker 2: get to pick number eighty seven in the third round.
Speaker 2: Jacksonville's call them trying to trying to move up a
Speaker 2: couple picks on everybody that they like.
Speaker 3: Trade. They offered you one, fifty five and five and
Speaker 3: to go down for what.
Speaker 2: Is this nine spots. You go down nine spots, You're
Speaker 2: done trading. You take those, I mean, you.
Speaker 3: Get two more picks to go along with what you've
Speaker 3: already got.
Speaker 6: I will say I think I think there's going to
Speaker 6: be a draft day trade for the Cowboys gun at
Speaker 6: some point.
Speaker 5: I definitely agree ei.
Speaker 6: There has to be. You look at the needs, especially
Speaker 6: depth needs as well. Pair that with kind of what
Speaker 6: you expect the twenty twenty three draft class to contribute
Speaker 6: next season. I think you got to pick up at
Speaker 6: least one more pick at some point along the way.
Speaker 4: So I'm not ruling it out.
Speaker 2: Right right now. We're going to pretend like we hung
Speaker 2: up the phone. We're going to draft at eighty seven. Okay,
Speaker 2: we've got Ardo Green Florida State. Leonard Taylor, the third
Speaker 2: out of Miami Nicks favorite player of all time, Rooque
Speaker 2: or a Orro from Clemson is still available in the
Speaker 2: third round. Johnny Wilson from Florida State, wide receiver, Christian
Speaker 2: Mahogany guard from Boston College who we saw have a
Speaker 2: nice week here at the Shrine Bowl. Or running backs
Speaker 2: like a night Blake Koram is right there, running back
Speaker 2: from Michigan.
Speaker 3: Would you take that? Would you just go ahead and
Speaker 3: put a turn in the card at that point?
Speaker 4: Is Bucky Irving still he is?
Speaker 3: I was just about to say his that I'm not going.
Speaker 6: To take Blake Korham here, and I would take Bucky
Speaker 6: Irving with what is that ninety three? I would try
Speaker 6: to take Bucky Irving with nineteen if he would wait, Yeah,
Speaker 6: And I would get a high value guy here.
Speaker 3: So who you're thinking high value.
Speaker 4: Best player available?
Speaker 6: I think you go get you know, a guy that
Speaker 6: can come in on either side of the ball and
Speaker 6: be able to contribute right away.
Speaker 2: The guy who they have listed as best player available
Speaker 2: right now is Rooque or orro followed by Leonard Taylor?
Speaker 4: Or is that your guy?
Speaker 3: That was pretty good?
Speaker 5: I need to go, I need to go. I wrote
Speaker 5: him down in my notes because Brian mentioned him last week.
Speaker 5: I keep hearing people mentioned his name. Tell me about him.
Speaker 3: Six foot four, two hundred and ninety five pounds. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's a top one hundred prospected defensive snaps last year,
Speaker 3: had four hundred defensive snaps, had five sacks, four hits,
Speaker 3: seventeen hurries from the inside.
Speaker 2: Really lined up in the B gap more than anything
Speaker 2: throughout his career. Was that that three technique at Clemson.
Speaker 2: Pretty good player overall. I think if you're talking about
Speaker 2: are you're talking inconsistencies with him? Is that the number
Speaker 2: one knock for him? He had really good games against
Speaker 2: some of the bigger opponents and then struggled against Georgia Tech,
Speaker 2: struggled against Florida State.
Speaker 6: My one thing with him is he's raw, okay, so
Speaker 6: it would probably take some developments. He's from Lagos, Nigeria.
Speaker 6: He came into Clemson as a big time length prospect.
Speaker 6: He would kind be an edge. He slid inside as
Speaker 6: he grew and filled out, so but he has that
Speaker 6: versatility as a result.
Speaker 4: So I mean it's kind of like.
Speaker 6: A I don't want to compare it to a villiam
Speaker 6: I Fojoko situation as far as being able to be
Speaker 6: inside and be outside. It's more so maybe a Ohsa
Speaker 6: Digizua situation. As far as being able to play turn
Speaker 6: in the car. Yeah, I think I am as well. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and you got the length, You've got the aggression. I
Speaker 6: think you want that in the interior if it if
Speaker 6: it takes a whole year to develop the guy, then
Speaker 6: you're okay with that.
Speaker 4: If you get another pick of ninety three, what do
Speaker 4: you think.
Speaker 5: This interior is going to look like? As far as
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what. I don't know what
Speaker 5: Nevill Gallimore's contract is like.
Speaker 3: He's a free agent.
Speaker 5: Chauncey.
Speaker 3: Chauncey's still here for another year. So is Osa. Okay,
Speaker 3: they were in the same draft, So I mean there's
Speaker 3: there's possibilities.
Speaker 5: Maybe you are looking towards Okay, yeah, maybe you are
Speaker 5: looking towards. I will say that a three tick is
Speaker 5: interesting to me.
Speaker 3: He's a smaller three tech though he's more of like
Speaker 3: an OSA. I don't want to compare Yeah, but.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna look at him in a night. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna look at him at night.
Speaker 2: I'd say it's a good pick here, I really do,
Speaker 2: because you've already you've shared up your your offensive line,
Speaker 2: You've gotten a linebacker.
Speaker 3: Go get you a d tackle that you feel like
Speaker 3: you can get some value on. And you talk about length. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a big thing for him too.
Speaker 5: Pick was definitely appealing it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, do you think you would you rather try
Speaker 2: and risk it and see if he falls in ninety three?
Speaker 5: Risk it for the biscuit.
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 3: He may be there at ninety three too. Would it
Speaker 3: be a conversation? Uh? Or would you rather have Bucky Irving?
Speaker 4: Or are you talking abou Korum? Are talking about kur Bucky? Well,
Speaker 4: let's see, let's see what happens in ninety three years.
Speaker 3: So it's rouquet or or bang. We're at ninety three, Blake.
Speaker 3: Quorum is still available, and so is Bucky Irving. They're
Speaker 3: both there.
Speaker 6: I've been high on Quorum, but I'm starting to get
Speaker 6: higher on Irving the more that I dive into him. Wow,
Speaker 6: it's it's it's it's close for me. I'm taking either
Speaker 6: of them. I look at Jerry Jones and I say, hey,
Speaker 6: I like both of these guys.
Speaker 3: Your choice, all right, Jerry Jones, what are he taking? Oh?
Speaker 5: I was? I was about to say, I'm conflicted because
Speaker 5: some of the things I heard from players at the
Speaker 5: Shrine Bowl in regard to Korn made me be like, Okay,
Speaker 5: well maybe he can be a little bit more physical downhill,
Speaker 5: because I was that's my thing about him. It's like,
Speaker 5: you look at a lot of the things he does.
Speaker 5: He's elusive, he's shifty, he's he's evading tacklers and stuff.
Speaker 5: So I always worried about, Okay, how is he gonna
Speaker 5: do with having to possibly, you know, do some third
Speaker 5: down stuff and whatever the case may be. But hearing
Speaker 5: I heard multiple players talk about his physicality and feeling
Speaker 5: his presence. But Bucky Irvin just he's he's He's a
Speaker 5: fun player with his big, big playability, breakaway speed, he
Speaker 5: has finishing speed, He's decisive when he sees it, he
Speaker 5: just goes. I like his patience when he's waiting for
Speaker 5: things to progress. I like the player. I will go
Speaker 5: with Bucky. I will go with Bucky.
Speaker 3: Go with Bucky. Who do you feel like pairs better
Speaker 3: with Tony Pop out of Bucky or Blake.
Speaker 5: I would say Bucky because he can do He's is
Speaker 5: it because of the bill.
Speaker 4: A little bit more size?
Speaker 5: Yes, he's a little bit more size to me.
Speaker 2: The pick is Bucky Irving, Wow, running back out of Oregon.
Speaker 2: So your draft in this third scenario, the trade down scenario,
Speaker 2: Graham Barton, Jeremiah Trotter, junior Rookie or orro and Bucky
Speaker 2: Irving your four picks and you still have a fourth
Speaker 2: round pick coming up your way? Is that the best
Speaker 2: scenario overall?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I think they're right. I think you're right.
Speaker 4: So do you you exchange?
Speaker 6: You exchange the possibility of getting Amarus Mems forgetting rook
Speaker 6: or or and whoever you.
Speaker 3: Would pick up in the fourth Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 6: You think Baltimore would give a third and a fourth
Speaker 6: to move up six spots.
Speaker 3: In the first round, it would be it would be tight.
Speaker 2: Gosh, on the trade chart, you win the trade based
Speaker 2: off of you definitely win the trade. Yeah, you win
Speaker 2: the trade based off in the trade chart. But if
Speaker 2: they have a guy that they why not go up.
Speaker 3: And get it?
Speaker 5: When is the last time we've seen something like that
Speaker 5: where you were like, they just liked this player, and
Speaker 5: you might have been like, now, what is going on here?
Speaker 5: But a team did some OUTLANDI stuff because they liked
Speaker 5: the players.
Speaker 3: The Raiders do it every year. I feel like every.
Speaker 6: Bears every other years, every other year. I'm telling you,
Speaker 6: whenevery nine ers. I loved Bryce Jawn coming out last year.
Speaker 6: But the Panthers giving up their first this year to
Speaker 6: go and grab him at number one, and that's all
Speaker 6: the building.
Speaker 2: I mean, you picked up Chauncey Golston, was your your pick.
Speaker 2: Whenever you traded back two spots in the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one draft to pick up Michael Partsons, you dropped back
Speaker 2: Philadelphia traded up there, they went and got Devonte Smith,
Speaker 2: jumped in front of the Giants to do so. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you've got You've got a
Speaker 2: third round pick to move down two spots.
Speaker 3: I think it's possible you could get a.
Speaker 2: Third and a fourth out of moving down six spots
Speaker 2: later in the first round. I think you could get
Speaker 2: there fair. As long as you stay in the first round,
Speaker 2: I think you're okay. I don't want to drop out
Speaker 2: of the first to make something happen like that.
Speaker 5: I feel like the fifth round is gonna be a
Speaker 5: little nuts. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Day three, early on Day three, we're gonna have fun
Speaker 4: on the show.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked if they we talked about the
Speaker 2: scenario where Jacksonville calls in round two and there's multiple
Speaker 2: picks on the line.
Speaker 3: In Day three, I wouldn't be shocked at Dallas pulls
Speaker 3: a parachute there and moves down a couple spots.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: It would be interesting to see what happens because they
Speaker 2: probably need the draft capital and they can finagle their
Speaker 2: board to make it happen. We were able to do
Speaker 2: it here and it worked out in our favor.
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Speaker 2: All right, Brandon ask, can you guys talk about Iowa
Speaker 2: defensive back Cooper Dejon and his versatility? Could it be
Speaker 2: similar to Kyle Hamilton's at the NFL level? Plus he
Speaker 2: could he be a good fit for Dallas regardless of coordinator.
Speaker 3: What do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I like Cooper de Gene. I don't know if it's
Speaker 6: a Gene Dejon, it's Gene. I believe it's a gene.
Speaker 3: I think he's French.
Speaker 6: Cooper Degene, Dejon Mustard or whatever it is. I like
Speaker 6: the versatility point. I think more so though you look
Speaker 6: at his size and what he's able to bring to
Speaker 6: that Iowa defensive backfield and kind of how he contributed.
Speaker 6: I think the versatility was more so what he was
Speaker 6: asked to do in the run game in the Big Ten,
Speaker 6: and he's really good at doing that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: I talked about Tyler Neuban at Minnesota, another safety that
Speaker 6: I believe is one of the most elite run defenders
Speaker 6: you can look at for a safety prospect. Cooper de
Speaker 6: Gene is in that same kind of range, but I
Speaker 6: think brings more from a pass coverage standpoint as well,
Speaker 6: played with multiple schemes as well.
Speaker 4: There at Iowa.
Speaker 6: I mean, you look at that Iowa defense and what
Speaker 6: they have done the last few years, and they are
Speaker 6: the reason that they are able to stack ten win
Speaker 6: seasons and make bowl games because their offense is so putrid.
Speaker 6: But yeah, Cooper to Gene say it again, Yeah, Cooper
Speaker 6: de Gene, I think could be a first round type
Speaker 6: guy by when it's all said and done. But at
Speaker 6: the very latest, I think early second round pick could
Speaker 6: be in Cooper de Gene's future. He's fun, He's really fun.
Speaker 6: He can do both things well from a run and
Speaker 6: pass cover standpoint. His build, as far as versatility goes,
Speaker 6: I think the next level that probably wouldn't translate as much,
Speaker 6: but I would trust him and run and being able
Speaker 6: to stop the run. So like, if you want to
Speaker 6: go and grab and reach on a safety in the
Speaker 6: second round, if he somehow slips to fifty six, it
Speaker 6: wouldn't be the worst pick in the world, So you don't.
Speaker 5: So you wouldn't want him doing wait, first of all,
Speaker 5: so you wouldn't want him doing anything inside as far
Speaker 5: as defender.
Speaker 4: As a defender, I think he could do it all.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Like the versatility is, I just don't know how well
Speaker 6: it would translate at the next level.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure yet.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, because that's actually what stood out to me.
Speaker 5: This is a multi sport athlete as well, and you
Speaker 5: know we like those basketball, track, baseball. He did it all.
Speaker 5: You mentioned how much he is involved in the run game.
Speaker 5: I mean, he had one hundred and twenty tackles. I
Speaker 5: feel like he also too. He I like I wrote
Speaker 5: down that he's a strong tackler. The size is the
Speaker 5: size is. I think his size is pretty good man.
Speaker 10: Like.
Speaker 5: I know that a lot of people might think that
Speaker 5: he's little on the smaller side, but I don't feel
Speaker 5: like he does. I feel like he plays big and
Speaker 5: how he does things and his his his change of
Speaker 5: direction is crazy. His hip turn and the way he
Speaker 5: flips his hips and changes direction and direction and drives
Speaker 5: is something that really stood out to me. He has
Speaker 5: a lot of explosion out of his backpedal. I like
Speaker 5: the player a lot. And to your point about Iowa,
Speaker 5: I mean I'm listening. I'm a hawk eyed person. All day,
Speaker 5: all day. You're right about their defense being the difference
Speaker 5: maker for them is specifically their secondary. They're well coached
Speaker 5: out there. You can see it, like because he also
Speaker 5: has some zone awareness, is good in zone as well
Speaker 5: to be such a young player in this game, So yeah,
Speaker 5: I would I like Cooper.
Speaker 2: By the way, based off of the Iowa Athletic Department website,
Speaker 2: the pronunciation is Cooper Degene Gene Degene, so it's degene
Speaker 2: like you've got a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of a j in there, but you kind of roll
Speaker 3: over super gene.
Speaker 5: Does the injury matter to you at all?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: Okay, I mean, medicals are so tough. Let me let
Speaker 6: me let me backtrack. Medicals are so tough. Let me
Speaker 6: know what happens after combine tracking. Yeah, I just want
Speaker 6: That's how I feel about all these guys that have
Speaker 6: medical concerns.
Speaker 4: Let me know.
Speaker 5: And also too, I mean, he has some special team's
Speaker 5: ability as a returner. I don't don't know how often
Speaker 5: you want I'm doing that, but he does have that ability.
Speaker 5: He's shown he's shown that he can do that and
Speaker 5: be and be a what's the word, I'm looking for,
Speaker 5: a weapon effective? Yeah, he's a weapon well, you got it.
Speaker 5: My brain turned off.
Speaker 3: All right. Vincent asked, I love this question.
Speaker 2: Who is the Tyler Smith of this draft, the offensive
Speaker 2: lineman that is off our radars at the moment, and
Speaker 2: we'll have everyone freaking out when we quote unquote reach
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 3: At twenty four.
Speaker 2: I think that's a phenomenal question because it's not just
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith. That happened with Zach Martin, had happened with
Speaker 2: Tyler Frederick, It happened with a lot of players. I mean,
Speaker 2: they know how to draft offensive lineman across the hallway.
Speaker 2: So even though we've got these other names highly vaulted
Speaker 2: and how we've put them at the top of the list,
Speaker 2: there are gonna be some other names that are.
Speaker 3: Available later on.
Speaker 6: There's two guys that I have second round grades on
Speaker 6: that I just like, I'm not necessarily saying the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: A second or on Tyler Smith as well.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 6: I'm not necessarily saying that the Cowboys would reach in
Speaker 6: the second round or reach at twenty four to for
Speaker 6: of these two guys. But these two guys kind of
Speaker 6: give me those similar vibes. Christian Haynes at yukon the Guard,
Speaker 6: we talked about last week. He showed that dog last
Speaker 6: week and he's meant.
Speaker 4: He's good. He plays guard, he could play center.
Speaker 3: Five school, nonpower five school.
Speaker 6: There you go, there you go. Yeah, it just kind
Speaker 6: of falls in line. And then Patrick Paul out of Houston.
Speaker 6: I have a later second round grade on him, but
Speaker 6: he's so massive six foot seven.
Speaker 4: Length is unreal.
Speaker 6: I think it was an eighty four inch wing span
Speaker 6: that he had at them or not a combine at
Speaker 6: Senior Bowl, and he had a really good week at
Speaker 6: Senior Bowl. I know we've talked about Patrick Paul a
Speaker 6: little bit here on this show and the inconsistency. Maybe
Speaker 6: there's a little bit of mobility concerns, but man, he
Speaker 6: looked really good at Sceener Bowl.
Speaker 4: I had to give him that.
Speaker 6: He wasn't the best tackling attendance, but he was better
Speaker 6: than I expected him to be there.
Speaker 3: I remember correctly. Tyler Smith also showed out in the
Speaker 3: All Star games. I can't remember which.
Speaker 2: One he was in specifically, it might have been No,
Speaker 2: it wasn't Seniable because he came out as a young
Speaker 2: so it wasn't an All Star game.
Speaker 4: What did he show out in I'll let me look,
Speaker 4: maybe combine.
Speaker 3: It might have been a combine team.
Speaker 2: It was something that he sparked that conversation even more so,
Speaker 2: maybe it was a combine or proda. But I mean
Speaker 2: he also was just an athletic freak coming out of school,
Speaker 2: so you kind of knew that was coming.
Speaker 3: I like that though. Those were two good names.
Speaker 2: It's hard anybody else on your radar or off your radar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's not a say it, who is it?
Speaker 4: It didn't have to be to be a left tackle
Speaker 4: take street off its alignman.
Speaker 5: Nope, I hope I say his name correctly. Uh, Talise,
Speaker 5: I got us.
Speaker 4: I got us on this one.
Speaker 5: Talis Telise Fare, right tackle, Oregon State.
Speaker 8: YO.
Speaker 5: Have mercy when I tell you this, gentleman is when
Speaker 5: I say, you say moving people out the way? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it. He plays like he takes you touching
Speaker 5: his quarterback personally, which you should, but he feels like
Speaker 5: he takes your real personal like he doesn't like I
Speaker 5: wrote down. He's very aware and active, strong andly blocking
Speaker 5: downfield and down blocking. He can get off combos and
Speaker 5: get upfield to the defender, to the second level. The
Speaker 5: movement is just crazy. The footwork is so good. He
Speaker 5: has fantastic balance and the footwork allows him to keep
Speaker 5: the defender in front of him. He has a steady anchor.
Speaker 5: He doesn't have a lot of wasted movement in his game.
Speaker 5: He's very refined to be as young as he is
Speaker 5: to me, I mean, and he's obviously he's played a
Speaker 5: good amount of foo football. He pops out of his stance.
Speaker 5: I just I like the player. If you want a
Speaker 5: toe setting offensive lineman that's going to come in there
Speaker 5: and mall guys in the run game, but also too,
Speaker 5: he can stay in front of guys in the passing game.
Speaker 5: This is a player dog like. I think people should
Speaker 5: keep him on their radar. He's the right tackle, so
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think the Cowboys are interested in
Speaker 5: the right tackle. However, whoever gets him, it's about to
Speaker 5: get a player, my friend.
Speaker 6: I've been kind of working on a first round mock
Speaker 6: draft that I have about ninety percent complete.
Speaker 4: I have him going tenth over all of the Jets.
Speaker 7: Ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He I was going to say.
Speaker 2: The only freak out that would happen from Cowboys Nation
Speaker 2: is if one he fell, and two if they traded
Speaker 2: all the draft capital to drow up and get him
Speaker 2: inside the top.
Speaker 4: Fifty that would be a reach.
Speaker 5: So he's heavy, so he's he's known, he is no okay,
Speaker 5: so I have another guy then that's the right tackle, Okay.
Speaker 5: Travis Glover.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 2: to shame you for your your your scattering report there, because.
Speaker 3: You're spot on with the dude. Absolutely a phenomenon.
Speaker 5: I don't know why I thought like, well, because it's
Speaker 5: Oregon State, so I in my mind I thought like
Speaker 5: maybe he would be under the radar. But other gentlemen
Speaker 5: that I saw that definitely has some flex as well.
Speaker 5: Travis Glover. He was at the Senior Bowl, if I'm
Speaker 5: not mistaken. Georgia State. Georgia. Yeah, Georgia State. He's sixty six,
Speaker 5: three hundred and twenty seven pounds. It's about three thirty
Speaker 5: give you take. I don't listen. You know all these
Speaker 5: mixed reviews on those size and stuff. He played tackle
Speaker 5: most of his career besides the latter part of his
Speaker 5: career he got kicked to guard, so he definitely still
Speaker 5: needs some refining there. But again he was steadied there
Speaker 5: and that shows some of his versatility as well. He
Speaker 5: got an invite to the Senior Bowl because of an
Speaker 5: injury to another tackling. He just made the best out
Speaker 5: of it. He shuffles at times. He could be more
Speaker 5: consistent with his striking and he but he can keep
Speaker 5: rushers at bay with his balance and his length. He
Speaker 5: he has suitable play strength. It's it's it's it's more.
Speaker 5: It's beyond average. Definitely, he could put on more strength.
Speaker 5: He picks up second level defenders in the run game
Speaker 5: and he's able to shed. Oh if he can get
Speaker 5: his feet to mary his hands. Yeah, this is this
Speaker 5: could be a guy that could be a steady part
Speaker 5: of an offensive line. And I think he does have
Speaker 5: great awareness when it comes to blitz it's stunt pickups.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of that comes because he isn't
Speaker 5: used to playing in the phone book phone booth. He's
Speaker 5: used to being on the outside and he's having to
Speaker 5: read and things like that. I like the player. He
Speaker 5: ain't afraid to tussle. He had five year five year starter.
Speaker 5: He has a lot of experience. I think he could
Speaker 5: go under the radar a little bit. And because he
Speaker 5: is he did go to a smaller school. But he's
Speaker 5: definitely somebody to keep an eye on and see how
Speaker 5: I see how people respond to him.
Speaker 6: Man, you look at the sun Belt, the conference at
Speaker 6: Georgia State is in. You see the development that they've
Speaker 6: been putting out the last few years. I'm starting to
Speaker 6: trust the Trench sun Belt guys.
Speaker 3: What was his name? One more time?
Speaker 5: Name is Travis Glover?
Speaker 3: Travis.
Speaker 5: He's a pretty big human, very nice.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to watch him later on. You you
Speaker 3: who was the offensive lineman that you picked up early
Speaker 3: last year that was like off of the radar. It
Speaker 3: was the NC State? Oh yeah, what was his name?
Speaker 5: But he was a good player coming out there. He's
Speaker 5: just debt with some injuries. And we'll see. I know
Speaker 5: who you don't. I'm not You are not about to
Speaker 5: get me fired?
Speaker 3: Well, I would never. All right, one last one. We'll
Speaker 3: try and sneak this in.
Speaker 2: Does the uncertainty and late to the game approach with
Speaker 2: the defensive staff put Dallas behind in the draft process?
Speaker 3: Based off of what you know about how things are
Speaker 3: run around here, Nick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about this last week on the show.
Speaker 6: There's an organizational structure I think in the scouting department
Speaker 6: as far as what they're looking for on both sides
Speaker 6: of the ball. I think there's a need on this team. Objectively,
Speaker 6: I think any coordinator that would come in will tell
Speaker 6: you the same thing. There's a need right down the
Speaker 6: spine of the defense. You got to get defensive interior help,
Speaker 6: you gotta get linebacker help. You got to get some
Speaker 6: safety help at some point as well, and you probably
Speaker 6: need some corner depth. So I don't think there's maybe
Speaker 6: from a schematic standpoint, you know, whenever our coordinator comes in,
Speaker 6: he might prefer one guy over the other. But the
Speaker 6: scouting department's job is to look at the entire board,
Speaker 6: look at every single option, understand what each prospect does
Speaker 6: better and what scheme, what situations they do better in,
Speaker 6: and then have that ready for whoever's making the decisions
Speaker 6: up top.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's some good foundational pieces here that
Speaker 5: I think any decordinator would be cool with coming in
Speaker 5: and having to build off of. I don't listen, my anxiety,
Speaker 5: don't like it. I ain't even gonna hold you like.
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, hurry this up so we can know
Speaker 5: what's going on. But to your point, Nick, you know,
Speaker 5: do these folks have a way of doing things. They
Speaker 5: have a way of how they operate. But it does
Speaker 5: make me, It gives me anxiety as a person having
Speaker 5: to wait for it. But I'm sure they don't. I'm
Speaker 5: sure they're not pressed like we are.
Speaker 3: No, they've got all year to research these guys. They
Speaker 3: are going to present the players.
Speaker 2: Either way, we might talk if we know on Thursday
Speaker 2: who the defensive coordinator is, we'll talk about what type
Speaker 2: of players they like, who you look into, So on
Speaker 2: Thursday show we might dive in a little bit more
Speaker 2: on that. All right, when we come back, we're gonna
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Speaker 2: the American team sixteen to seven. There were some ups,
Speaker 2: there were some downs, but really the great week of
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Speaker 2: the back here on this Tuesday, seventy nine days away
Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft, we've got Brian, Bobby, and Zach
Speaker 2: all doing their thing having the conversations necessary out at
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Speaker 2: You can listen to them throughout the day on the
Speaker 2: Cowboys flagship station. But we've got to talk about the
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl mobile Alabama playing host of the Senior Bowl
Speaker 2: where the National team took down the American team sixteen
Speaker 2: to seven in the twenty twenty four event at Hancock
Speaker 2: Whitney Stadium.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about it. It's always a week
Speaker 3: long process.
Speaker 2: It's a week long job interview ultimately for these guys
Speaker 2: that are going out there, and the three days of
Speaker 2: practice are significant to their draft stock, significant to how
Speaker 2: coaches and scouts and personnel learn these players both inside
Speaker 2: and out.
Speaker 3: How does the game affect things? Nick? I know it
Speaker 3: wasn't really a great product because a lot of the
Speaker 3: top names in the event dropped out at the last minute.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's what makes the game tough from evaluation standpoint,
Speaker 6: because you look at the practices throughout the week and
Speaker 6: you're hoping to see certain guys on opposite teams line
Speaker 6: up against each other in the game, for example, like
Speaker 6: a Jackson powers Johnson versus Defandre Sweat. We weren't able
Speaker 6: to see that. There were a lot of guys that
Speaker 6: pulled out late from the game, and so that kind
Speaker 6: of waters down what the game brings from a evaluation
Speaker 6: standpoint and a scouting standpoint. So you look at top
Speaker 6: performers from the game, you look at Spencer Radler. You know,
Speaker 6: it kind of opens up an opportunity for these quarterbacks
Speaker 6: for sure, because the quarterbacks stick around because the game
Speaker 6: is their bigger, biggest proving opportunity. But you look at
Speaker 6: the other position groups. If I mean, it makes sense
Speaker 6: if I'm going in as a you know, potential second
Speaker 6: round pick into Senior Bowl week, I have a great
Speaker 6: week of practice, people are talking about me as a
Speaker 6: late first round guy. Now I'm shutting it down, like
Speaker 6: it makes sense. The agents get on the phone, they're like,
Speaker 6: hey man, your hamstring hurt's get off the field. So
Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's it's what happens. And you can't
Speaker 6: blame them. I mean, this is a business. This is
Speaker 6: their business too. I don't blame it one bit, but
Speaker 6: it just it does kind of make the game a
Speaker 6: little bit more water down. From that standpoint, it gives
Speaker 6: other guys opportunities to shine, and certainly there were a
Speaker 6: couple of guys that did that we'll dive into. But yeah,
Speaker 6: definitely it's not what the Senior Bowl probably was ten
Speaker 6: to fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: From that standpoint, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I guess, you know, I always bounce back questions,
Speaker 5: how what is the way to maybe counter that you
Speaker 5: can do?
Speaker 6: The way draft coverages right now and as much draft
Speaker 6: media is now in mobile for this event, I mean,
Speaker 6: there's talk and buzz every single hour, every single day.
Speaker 6: And so whenever buzz is really rising about a certain
Speaker 6: guy and he's like, Okay, this guy is going to
Speaker 6: bridge into first round territory. Now you see that, you
Speaker 6: understand that hype, and you understand the reputable voice as
Speaker 6: it comes from and you pull out. You didn't have
Speaker 6: that ten fifteen years ago. Ten fifteen years ago, there
Speaker 6: wasn't as there wasn't nearly as much media. I think
Speaker 6: Chris Bean could speak to it in the back. There
Speaker 6: wasn't nearly as much media as as there is these days.
Speaker 6: So you know, you didn't really know what your stock
Speaker 6: looked like until after the week was done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely got more value from the practices and
Speaker 5: watching all that stuff than watching the game.
Speaker 2: That practice film is gold because it's good on good.
Speaker 2: You talked about it last week. I mean that's huge stuff.
Speaker 2: But based off of what you did see in the game,
Speaker 2: did anybody see their stock rise?
Speaker 3: And we could say it as a week as a whole.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll talk about the game specifically, because we talked
Speaker 6: about the practice quite a bit last week when I
Speaker 6: was here. I'll talk about the game specifically. At least
Speaker 6: two guys that really improve their stock. I want to
Speaker 6: start with Spencer Radler went for four sixty five yards
Speaker 6: in a touchdown. It was a well placed ball in
Speaker 6: the touchdown pass as well. I'm really proud of Spencer Ratler.
Speaker 4: I don't know the guy.
Speaker 6: I don't have any personal attachment to the guy, but
Speaker 6: I am proud of that he went into that was
Speaker 6: that twenty twenty one season and he was projected by
Speaker 6: everybody to be the number one overall pick going into
Speaker 6: that twenty twenty two draft, and it was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: this is the next great Oklahoma quarterback. You had Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 6: you had Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts now at Spencer Radler,
Speaker 6: it's his time. It's the one that Lincoln Riley has
Speaker 6: actually developed in his time there. This guy's gonna be phenomenal,
Speaker 6: right because the previous three were transfers. And then he
Speaker 6: has a first five six games it's up and down.
Speaker 6: And then Caleb Williams takes his job in the middle
Speaker 6: of the season in the Texas game and people forget
Speaker 6: about Spencer Radler getting dogged. He transfers to South Carolina,
Speaker 6: has two really good seasons at South Carolina. This last
Speaker 6: year really strong as well, and then he goes into
Speaker 6: the Senior Bowl. He's showing what he can do. He's
Speaker 6: gonna end up a fourth round pick. I believe had
Speaker 6: a great week and I think he was the most
Speaker 6: consistent quarterback there in a game that had Bo Nicks
Speaker 6: out of Oregon, Michael Pennocks out of Washington, Sam Hartman
Speaker 6: out of Notre Dame, and then another guy that I
Speaker 6: think really improved their stock during the game specifically is
Speaker 6: a Washington State corner slash Nickels slash safety.
Speaker 4: I think you can do a lot of things with him.
Speaker 6: Choe Smith Wade, who's actually training here in Dallas during
Speaker 6: the draft process. He had a big interception return off
Speaker 6: of Joe Milton, the quarterback out of Tennessee.
Speaker 4: He had a really good week too. He stood out
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 6: He had one rep early in the week where he
Speaker 6: got put on his backside on a quick move. I
Speaker 6: forgot who was the receiver on that rep. But ever
Speaker 6: since that first rep that he took where that happened,
Speaker 6: every single rep after that was strong. I really like
Speaker 6: the week that Choe smuth Wade put together. He's a
Speaker 6: guy that I really liked coming out of the game too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Travis Glover at the right tackle. I mentioned earlier
Speaker 5: he had some serious pancakes at the second level in
Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl. I think he did rise his stock
Speaker 5: as well. I want to mention running back Imani Bailey
Speaker 5: out of TCU. I felt like his stock went up
Speaker 5: this week. One of the more consistent players of the week.
Speaker 5: I think he's his own scheme fit number one. He's
Speaker 5: a very patient runner. It's a gift in a curse.
Speaker 5: Sometimes times I do think he could be a little
Speaker 5: bit more. But that's what I was looking for this week,
Speaker 5: is can he just see it and go? Because when
Speaker 5: you look at his tape sometimes he displays a lot
Speaker 5: of I said, he's very cutty and dancy. I know
Speaker 5: there's not those aren't real football words, but who gears
Speaker 5: and so I wanted to see if he had that
Speaker 5: that burst when he saw when he saw the whole
Speaker 5: and he saw it open up. I think he showed
Speaker 5: that in the game and through practice. He can make
Speaker 5: people miss in the open field and coming out of
Speaker 5: the backfield. But he's not a burner, but he can
Speaker 5: attack the edge very effectively as well. I like his
Speaker 5: vision in the open field and you can see it
Speaker 5: in the screen game. I like I like the prayer.
Speaker 5: He has size and pass pro. He's not a punishing
Speaker 5: every down back, but he always falls forward and you
Speaker 5: know that pisces people off and I like that. So
Speaker 5: so yeah, he plays with a lot of wiggle. I
Speaker 5: think we could see him maybe be one of the
Speaker 5: guys that they have here on Dallas Day. We know
Speaker 5: how important Dallas Day is for the draft and for
Speaker 5: this team specifically. Not a lot of running backs have
Speaker 5: been standing out like crazy to me as of late,
Speaker 5: but he was one of the guys that I thought
Speaker 5: had a good week this week.
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, I'm going to go and throw a
Speaker 2: name out there, somebody who actually caught by Bailey from
Speaker 2: behind in this How about defensive tackle from Florida State,
Speaker 2: Brandon Fisk. All week long he was on the American roster,
Speaker 2: he was having a good week of practice, he was
Speaker 2: standing out, he was doing some things, put together some
Speaker 2: good film.
Speaker 3: Then the morning of the Senior Bowl, he gets a
Speaker 3: call from Jim Naggy and says, hey, Bud, the national
Speaker 3: team needs a lift.
Speaker 2: They don't have enough defensive lineman. Can you flip squads
Speaker 2: for the game? He said absolutely. Then he comes out
Speaker 2: there and he has four tackles of tackle and a
Speaker 2: half for loss. And he comes out and he makes
Speaker 2: He had a half a sack as well, and then
Speaker 2: had a pressure to force an incomplete pass in one
Speaker 2: game for a team that he didn't practice with, a
Speaker 2: team that he practiced with on the other side of
Speaker 2: the ball, and then had a phenomenal week altogether. I
Speaker 2: thought he was a really fun watch. I thought he
Speaker 2: was a really fun story. At the end of it,
Speaker 2: he was the first player ever to flip sides midway
Speaker 2: through the week at the Senior Bowl for the game,
Speaker 2: so made a little bit of history.
Speaker 3: There and he showed out in doing so.
Speaker 6: A couple of notes about both of you guys. I'll
Speaker 6: start with Amani Bailey, Denton Ryan High School. You mentioned
Speaker 6: Dallas Day. He would most likely be a part of that.
Speaker 6: But that's something also interesting about Amany Bailey. And this
Speaker 6: is what I really liked out of Kendre Miller coming
Speaker 6: out of the draft last year. I think that ACL
Speaker 6: injury really hurt him, though he didn't have the production
Speaker 6: in his rookie season that I would have expected for
Speaker 6: him to have with the Saints coming out as a
Speaker 6: running back out of TCU last year. Position coach coaching
Speaker 6: running backs for the tc Hornfrogs. Anthony Jones junior coached
Speaker 6: Tony Pollard at Memphis. You kind of see where the
Speaker 6: development has gone with Anthony Jones and the backs that
Speaker 6: he's been able to produce year in a year out.
Speaker 6: There's another Memphis back that performed well in the league
Speaker 6: recently that I can't think off the top of my
Speaker 6: head for some reason.
Speaker 3: Keep going, yeah, I'm blinking to.
Speaker 6: The point on Brandon Fiskey. Uh, Western Michigan was his
Speaker 6: previous school. And you look at Marshawn Neeland, who's a
Speaker 6: potential second round edge rusher out of Western Michigan. Look
Speaker 6: at that Western Michigan defensive line development. I'd love to
Speaker 6: see that. I just wanted to throw that out there.
Speaker 3: D Angela Williams maybe more recent than that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, is Fiskey if I've been calling it Fiskey?
Speaker 3: So Kenneth Gainwell, is it?
Speaker 2: Kenneth Ganwell, Antonio Gibson, yep, and Darryl Henderson. I mean
Speaker 2: that's I mean there, They've got a ton.
Speaker 3: Of guys out there. Memphis has been running backs. That's
Speaker 3: r b U right now.
Speaker 5: Honestly, Yeah, wait, r b U, R b oh listen.
Speaker 5: I one of my favorite things about Brandon Brandon Fiskey
Speaker 5: is how he attacks lineman lineman lineman's hands. He's very
Speaker 5: fast off the ball, but dog, he's swatting at people's hands.
Speaker 5: He has a few rip moves. I just I was
Speaker 5: and then the balance he has long arms. I was
Speaker 5: surprised by him. I was surprised by him the first
Speaker 5: two times I seen him come off the ball and
Speaker 5: just how quick he came off the ball. But I
Speaker 5: just love how he attacks their hands, and I think
Speaker 5: that's important for a guy his size as well. So yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll keep it. I'm gonna go watch him a little
Speaker 5: bit more.
Speaker 2: He had a really good year for that Florida State
Speaker 2: defensive front. And if we're being completely honest, of course,
Speaker 2: like the storyline with Florida State at.
Speaker 3: The end of this year was the fact that they
Speaker 3: went undefeated were left out of the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the defense's fault. That defense.
Speaker 5: They got some players I was studying something, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And they're gonna produce a lot of NFL talent off
Speaker 3: of that defense.
Speaker 2: So it was really that was an elite level defense
Speaker 2: and just the offense couldn't.
Speaker 3: Overcome some of their injuries at the end of the
Speaker 3: year to really get there. But enjoy it, everybody. We've
Speaker 3: got a couple of days.
Speaker 2: Thursday, we'll be back eleven a m. Central time to
Speaker 2: break down a little bit more of the film that
Speaker 2: we've got.
Speaker 3: We may even give a call out.
Speaker 2: To Radio Row on Thursday and check in with Brian
Speaker 2: and Zach and Bobby and see who's available for those because.
Speaker 4: They certainly won't be having a good time without us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we got to be a part of it,
Speaker 2: so we may give them a call on Thursday. As well,
Speaker 2: but hope you enjoyed it as much as we did.
Speaker 2: We will be back Thursday with more of the draft
Speaker 2: show for Chris Beam, Nick Harris, Aisha Morrison.
Speaker 3: I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long from the Star and Frisco.
Speaker 3: We'll see you on Thursday.
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