Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back to rewives. In today's episode, we're watching
Speaker 1: the explosive, iconic, and frankly unbelievable Melissa and Joe Gorga
Speaker 1: debuting on the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and let
Speaker 1: me just say it did not disappoint. I don't mean
Speaker 1: to insult my own rony episodes, but I think this
Speaker 1: could be one of the best and definitely most iconic
Speaker 1: Housewives episodes of any franchise since its inception. It holds up.
Speaker 1: Not every episode holds up, and we're choosing episodes that
Speaker 1: hold up that could be yesterday, crazy crazy crazy. Actually,
Speaker 1: I went back several times to see if I actually
Speaker 1: was correct that Melissa and Joe Gorga this was there.
Speaker 1: This was there, like Virgin Maiden voyage on the house
Speaker 1: was You can't even believe it. Whether you've seen it
Speaker 1: or not, you'll freak out. It's it's actually not believable,
Speaker 1: but it's so believed because it's so real. This is
Speaker 1: on my short list of one of the best Housewives
Speaker 1: episodes ever. With a fistfight at a christening, there was
Speaker 1: only one person who could break down this kind of madness,
Speaker 1: Jerry Springer. You are going to love this. This was epic.
Speaker 1: What a conversation to have. This discussion about this episode
Speaker 1: was like eating candy. Oh my god, it's it was
Speaker 1: candy with no calories. I mean, you're an icon in
Speaker 1: this space, and I think about how crowded it is
Speaker 1: and how if you're pitching shows two people, the word
Speaker 1: talk is now sort of like a dirty word because
Speaker 1: no one can really get it right. So what do
Speaker 1: you think about all that when you watching what's going
Speaker 1: on now and how it's evolved or devolved. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's all part of the democratization of our whole culture.
Speaker 1: I mean it started out in the media. It started
Speaker 1: out probably with talk radio years ago before you were born. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, like Larry King had a radio talk show
Speaker 1: and people would call in. So that was the first
Speaker 1: time that the audience became part of the show. People
Speaker 1: would listen because I'd love to hear the callers and
Speaker 1: laugh at that. Then it all of a sudden went
Speaker 1: to television and Philadannia came along, and again it was
Speaker 1: filled out in the audience talking with regular people that
Speaker 1: and then that transformed once we had social media. The
Speaker 1: audience is now the entertainment It used to be just
Speaker 1: a bunch of people living executives living in New York
Speaker 1: or l A. Who would decide who the next stars
Speaker 1: would be, who you know, who the great singers will be,
Speaker 1: who's going to be in the movies. Now, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's anybody on social media and so that's democracy, Okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that so that totally leads into what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, because now social media stars are inarguably famous.
Speaker 1: I remember when I started coming up at the big agencies,
Speaker 1: you know, the movie stars and the TV stars, the
Speaker 1: Marska Hargetas were the ones making the most money, and
Speaker 1: people really resented um. And then it was celebrity chefs,
Speaker 1: the Emeralds were making a lot of money, and they
Speaker 1: resented these reality stars coming in because they don't have,
Speaker 1: you know, a skill, they're they're they're just on television
Speaker 1: living their own lives. I actually disagree, because I think
Speaker 1: the good ones do have a scale. They're producing while
Speaker 1: being you know, in reality TV. But um, here we
Speaker 1: go onto Jersey, which has been a massive success, and
Speaker 1: my producer Morgan thought it would be tongue and chee
Speaker 1: to pair you in this way. This show is about
Speaker 1: having accomplished, legitimate, successful media and entertainment people that I'm
Speaker 1: having a conversation with, because um, I tend to get
Speaker 1: a good caliber of guests on my show, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to have a conversation about these crazy shows with
Speaker 1: someone who I felt was appear in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1: I thought that that was a different way to do
Speaker 1: this than me talking to somebody on these shows about
Speaker 1: these shows. So that's why, Uh, I think you're amazing
Speaker 1: for this, because you're very accomplished, very smart. But also
Speaker 1: you've been in the ship pit. I recognize that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it's crazy. I mean, no one would have
Speaker 1: picked me out of my high school yearbook or college
Speaker 1: and we's go whatever and said, gee, he's going to
Speaker 1: be in show business. So I don't have any talent.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think i'm you know, I think i'm
Speaker 1: a nice guy and I'm reasonably bright, but I'm not
Speaker 1: talented in terms of what we normally think. I'm not
Speaker 1: an actor. I'm not a singer. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: a hunk. It's like, how does how I get into
Speaker 1: How did I get into this? It must be a
Speaker 1: good director of traffic. You must be a good communicator
Speaker 1: and connector and director of traffic. You can't have done
Speaker 1: the show that you did without being able to make
Speaker 1: the trains run on time and make people and get
Speaker 1: people to talk about the things you want them to
Speaker 1: talk about. That is a skill in and of itself.
Speaker 1: For sure. That is a talent. To me, It's as
Speaker 1: much of a talent, if not more, than just being
Speaker 1: able to be able to play another character. Because it's
Speaker 1: not as easy as it looks, and being a talk
Speaker 1: show host having tried it for one year is definitely
Speaker 1: it's definitely not as easy as it looks. But um, okay,
Speaker 1: so I could talk to you for ten hours and
Speaker 1: I would like to because I'm really intrigued by this.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for today, like popped out of bed. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we've got New Jersey. Do you watch reality TV?
Speaker 1: And do you watch the Housewives? Uh? The answer is no? Okay,
Speaker 1: but I did? Well, I mean I'm interested. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never end up to watch my own show. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got it. Same, I become too self conscious of whatever,
Speaker 1: and plus I was there why I want the same twice? So, um,
Speaker 1: you know when I watched television, I watch for a
Speaker 1: sports and I watch cable news. Okay, so this is
Speaker 1: New Jersey house Swives. This is what I did watch
Speaker 1: the episode by the way, good you know going in, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched it was season three, episode one, correct, And
Speaker 1: it's interesting to mention. So we'll get into the characters.
Speaker 1: For the people listening who have or haven't watched. This
Speaker 1: is the infamous Jersey Housewives, UM Orange County Housewives, then
Speaker 1: New York and then UM Jersey or Atlanta. That's when
Speaker 1: it started to become an actual franchise. And this show
Speaker 1: is different because the men and the children are more
Speaker 1: involved than let's say, on New York and UM also
Speaker 1: paid in many cases paid. The kids and the husbands
Speaker 1: are pay are pay aid and they sit down in
Speaker 1: the interview chair, which is not done on New York
Speaker 1: and the kids really aren't either. And this what's different
Speaker 1: about Jersey than any of the other shows is it's family.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of interconnected family members and that's
Speaker 1: not what it's like on other shows. You go in
Speaker 1: and you go alone. Your sister might be in a
Speaker 1: scene with you, but as cast members. And just to
Speaker 1: give you a little background, this episode you're watching is
Speaker 1: the first time we ever see Melissa and Joe Gorga.
Speaker 1: That's that's why she's introducing her life and her kids.
Speaker 1: We've never seen them before. That's Teresa's brother and sister
Speaker 1: in law, and um. The behind the scenes, which does
Speaker 1: make sense to me, was that Teresa didn't want her
Speaker 1: sister in law and brother coming onto the show because
Speaker 1: it was her sister in law who was going to
Speaker 1: be the housewife and it's not good for family and
Speaker 1: if they're not close to begin with, I'm sure she
Speaker 1: didn't want to share the shine and the star, which
Speaker 1: she has after all these years, because Melissa's a star
Speaker 1: in her own right, and so there was family drama beside.
Speaker 1: It's even just what's going on on Camet is behind
Speaker 1: the scenes breaking the fourth wall family drama with those two.
Speaker 1: And apparently, you know, production was talking to Melissa long
Speaker 1: before Teresa even know that Melissa was walking into her show,
Speaker 1: which I can understand pissing her off. She's the cast
Speaker 1: member who has you know, carried the show for the
Speaker 1: last two years, and now her sister in law's coming on.
Speaker 1: It's just all kinds of ship that happens with Bravo
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So that's behind the scenes, but I thought,
Speaker 1: I will tell you that I'm watching it. Other Old
Speaker 1: Jersey episodes don't still play like they don't hold up
Speaker 1: time wise, and this one did. And also I've been
Speaker 1: on some of the episodes have been called the most iconic,
Speaker 1: and I think this was one of it's not the
Speaker 1: most iconic of all Housewives episodes I've ever seen. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe what went on at that event, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. You know, I obviously know what
Speaker 1: the show was talking about it. Uh So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna watch it, knowing that I'm coming on
Speaker 1: your podcast, and uh and I watched it twice. Well, well,
Speaker 1: the first time I watched it because I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've got my pat here and I'm writing down who's
Speaker 1: connected to whom because that's confusing. Plus they're all brunettes,
Speaker 1: right and that you know. No, I was thinking, if
Speaker 1: there are five, I'll well, there'll be a blonde, there'll
Speaker 1: be That's how I remember the names. But so so
Speaker 1: I have these charts and figuring out how they were related.
Speaker 1: But it was fascinating, and you're right, I get how
Speaker 1: people can be dragged into this. This is a soap
Speaker 1: opera um with real people, right, It's like a telenovela.
Speaker 1: This particular episode is an iconic episode. But and watching
Speaker 1: it back, because I watched a lot of the iconic
Speaker 1: episodes and doing this, my fiance was sitting next to me.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want he was compelled to this was it
Speaker 1: had a little we're gonna go into the details, but
Speaker 1: to me, it had a little bit of the Godfather
Speaker 1: authenticity because they're actually speaking Italian. These are guys in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn eating eats a pretending their Italian because you know,
Speaker 1: they have like tank tops on and their their their
Speaker 1: uncle's or in Italy. They're speaking Italian like they're legitimately
Speaker 1: literally Italians in Jersey, and there's an authenticity to that.
Speaker 1: And you know, you're my father, And I mean, it
Speaker 1: had like a reality to it, ironically, like you know,
Speaker 1: and Caroline was very protective of Pasta. Caroline was protective. Yes,
Speaker 1: So what do you think of the characters? Who did
Speaker 1: you identify with? Who did you like? What did you think?
Speaker 1: So it's Melissa, You've got Melissa, Teresa, Caroline, Cathy, who
Speaker 1: is Teresa's cousin, Teresa and Joe's cousin, and then the
Speaker 1: quieter Um, who's who's the mom? What's her name? Jacqueline, LaRita, Jacqueline. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what did you write they are all? What did
Speaker 1: you think of the characters? Do you like any of
Speaker 1: them identify? Well? Uh, I knew a lot of them
Speaker 1: growing up. I mean I can imagine them as young girls,
Speaker 1: you know, in high school and uh and very uh,
Speaker 1: very open, very they I mean, I guess that's what
Speaker 1: you would have on a reality show. But they are
Speaker 1: whatever they're feeling, they're letting you know. There's very there's
Speaker 1: very little hidden, There's no I'm amazed and I was
Speaker 1: always amazed with the people on on my show. I
Speaker 1: would argue that's reality what we call reality shows today,
Speaker 1: it's really not reality. Uh, it's um unscripted produced reality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because what happens is they take us situation and then
Speaker 1: but because the cameras are there, it is impossible that
Speaker 1: the camera does not influence how you're going to behave.
Speaker 1: But I would say that's the same thing on your
Speaker 1: show too. They're both I think they're very similar, except
Speaker 1: the people are coming up. People that are coming on
Speaker 1: the show are coming with their real life. There's no makeup,
Speaker 1: there's no this is you know, they're gonna they're not coming.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be famous, they're not gonna have a career.
Speaker 1: They don't even use their real names. But by the way,
Speaker 1: that at this point when you watched this show, it's
Speaker 1: funny you say that because what you're describing in reality
Speaker 1: television is now current two when you're watching it. We
Speaker 1: did our own makeup, You had your own They weren't
Speaker 1: glam squads. It was real, And in fact, I would
Speaker 1: say that Jersey was the most real because they really
Speaker 1: is their family. They don't give a ship, they'll flip
Speaker 1: a table, they'll curse somebody out, they'll fight a christening,
Speaker 1: which I really do believe would happen even if there
Speaker 1: were no cameras. It does exact read it. But I
Speaker 1: would say that then it was more real than now
Speaker 1: what they made a couple. You know, they probably made
Speaker 1: dollars each for the whole season. Then nobody was famous.
Speaker 1: Then it was like just getting started in Teresa had
Speaker 1: just gone broke or bankruptcy or something that people the
Speaker 1: people and I never got paid Other than right, I
Speaker 1: get it, but it's not as far as, it's not
Speaker 1: as far as you think it is. Now it's very far.
Speaker 1: Now it's very glammed up in glam squad, And then
Speaker 1: it wasn't It was a special occasion to get the
Speaker 1: hair and makeup. Yeah, yeah, it's just interesting and Um.
Speaker 1: In fact, it was the first season Teresa pays for
Speaker 1: over a hundred thousand dollars. I think it was furniture
Speaker 1: for that big house in cash. And later they end
Speaker 1: up getting in trouble and she and Joe, the one
Speaker 1: who had the stomach ache, bankrupt. They went bankrupt. They
Speaker 1: went back up, but later on they got in trouble
Speaker 1: with the I R s and both end up going
Speaker 1: to jail. Yeah, they go to jail. Both of them
Speaker 1: sat in real life separately. They had to serve times separately.
Speaker 1: They got divorced afterwards. But they're showing all this money
Speaker 1: on the first episode that they're paying in cash. She
Speaker 1: has no idea what he's doing at their finances. They
Speaker 1: go bankrupt. He's working at the pizza place. She's trying
Speaker 1: to put her pieces back together by selling the book
Speaker 1: UM and then, which incidentally is called Skinny Italian. After
Speaker 1: I had a tremendous success the first ever product success
Speaker 1: on this franchise with a brand called Skinny Girl. And
Speaker 1: then she does a Skinny Italian and it was a book. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so they now we're in a situation in
Speaker 1: this episode where she's trying to put pieces back together
Speaker 1: make some money through this book to appearances, and he's
Speaker 1: working at a pizza place after they're paying for hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands always a cash So they've had a ride,
Speaker 1: those two and now they're divorced. But but who's got
Speaker 1: the four kids? Teresa, the one that's the one she has.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. I know, don't worry about it's
Speaker 1: just as long as we don't take it too seriously.
Speaker 1: But so that's the that's the or she has four kids.
Speaker 1: And her brother comes on and I couldn't believe in
Speaker 1: watching it back that was Joey. Joey Gorga, who's you know,
Speaker 1: the biggest real estate developer she says in Jersey, which
Speaker 1: who knows? In these houses are so elaborate. But I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that Melissa Gorga and joe Gorga, we're so
Speaker 1: good on their first episode ever on reality television. Think
Speaker 1: about that, that's the first time they've ever been on
Speaker 1: the show, like as characters. Melissa walked right in and
Speaker 1: then there and they're in a fist fight episod scenes
Speaker 1: later at a christening. Yeah, yeah, that was worthy of
Speaker 1: my show, right, I mean and and and what do
Speaker 1: you think that they're doing in front of the kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but look, there are there are families that you know,
Speaker 1: people behave like that, and I'm aware of that. And
Speaker 1: you would think I think most people would say, good lord,
Speaker 1: the cameras are on behavior yourself, or this is a christening.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't like the other person, fine, don't
Speaker 1: push it. Uh. But the guys are worse than the
Speaker 1: than the women. I mean, the guys get into this
Speaker 1: whole macho thing about you know. I mean that that
Speaker 1: was you know, that's where you get these muscle shirts
Speaker 1: and that, you know, just absurd behavior. That is you
Speaker 1: you know, you wouldn't be shocked if a ten year
Speaker 1: old or you know, twelve year old on the schoolyard
Speaker 1: started acting like that. But when you got the children
Speaker 1: there and you're throwing tables over, I mean that's where
Speaker 1: it Yeah, I thought it just went over. Was it entertaining?
Speaker 1: Absolutely well? And parents with who've had too heart attacks,
Speaker 1: so right. I thought that First of all, I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting that they did it. I think it's
Speaker 1: called the media rest, media arrest or something where it
Speaker 1: starts off and we see the incident that's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and then we went back that's not that's not that
Speaker 1: common in the house lives. I thought that was very
Speaker 1: very good production wise, and we see the massive incident
Speaker 1: and we go back and unpack it. I thought that
Speaker 1: was very cool. Okay, here's where it gets interesting to
Speaker 1: your point. So you see that like he wants Theresa
Speaker 1: to get the hell away from the table, and it's like,
Speaker 1: why was I invited? And then the sisters saying it
Speaker 1: was a technicality that is likely it all gets mixed
Speaker 1: together in this weird soup, so like probably because of
Speaker 1: the show, they're not speaking, so that's very meta. And
Speaker 1: then if it weren't for the show, Theresa and Joe
Speaker 1: wouldn't be invited, meaning the show is not going to
Speaker 1: low that. The shows like probably paying for half the christening.
Speaker 1: They want the Christening to happen. They're paying for the
Speaker 1: so they want this to sort something to happen. Of course,
Speaker 1: the show doesn't necessarily wouldn't say they want there to
Speaker 1: be a throwdown at a christening, but if they're thrilled
Speaker 1: to have it. And in one case, you see the
Speaker 1: camera guys obviously on the floor because you're the shots
Speaker 1: are coming from the floor, which was so much like
Speaker 1: your show. But that's where it becomes meta, Like if
Speaker 1: the cameras weren't there, I don't think it would have
Speaker 1: gotten to that level. Everything is on steroids. When the
Speaker 1: cameras are there, there's more alcohol drunk. It just exacerbates
Speaker 1: issues and then that brings up divorces that happened as
Speaker 1: a result, not as a result that happened that. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of divorces that come during couples being
Speaker 1: on reality TV. And I wonder what you I I
Speaker 1: would think you would have to know that. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you decide to sign the contract, you know, the
Speaker 1: couple of you're sitting at home with your spouse and
Speaker 1: you're saying, Okay, now, this is a nice amount of money,
Speaker 1: and this could be kind of fun. It's an adventure.
Speaker 1: But our whole, all our dirty laundry is right out there.
Speaker 1: Things are gonna be said because we're gonna be in
Speaker 1: encouraged to juice it up a bit, and you know
Speaker 1: what does that do to our marriage? So the question,
Speaker 1: the basic question I would have if if my best
Speaker 1: friend came to me and said, hey, me and my
Speaker 1: wife were thinking of going and my wife and I
Speaker 1: were thinking of going on this reality show, I'd say,
Speaker 1: you're crazy. I would never let someone I know have
Speaker 1: been on my talk show. My talk show was absolutely crazy,
Speaker 1: But as I said, it was honest in terms of
Speaker 1: the people that called us desperately wanted to be on.
Speaker 1: You could not call someone up and say would you
Speaker 1: like to be on the Jury Springer Show? Who would
Speaker 1: say yes? You if it was just a cold core
Speaker 1: So you would have to desperately want to be And
Speaker 1: our number wasn't in the phone book, so you'd have
Speaker 1: to have watched the show to know who to care
Speaker 1: go through all of that. So when we got someone
Speaker 1: there and they'd be on for ten minutes and that's
Speaker 1: the only time they ever be on, So it wasn't
Speaker 1: something that would change their life. It's a moment, it's
Speaker 1: a little burst, but reality shows this is and you've
Speaker 1: got kids, Yeah no, and the kids are watching this.
Speaker 1: You know that one girl who I think she was nine. Uh,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I think yes, okay or Melannia, I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1: So she's watching this and crying and how does she
Speaker 1: have how is she ever going to forget that? And
Speaker 1: as a result, well, now we have families getting divorced
Speaker 1: and whatever. Well, let me ask you this question, what
Speaker 1: does it mean? They're so popular? It's so common. So
Speaker 1: I've said to Kathy Hilton in particular, what the hell
Speaker 1: are you doing this for? Like you're a hell? Like
Speaker 1: we understand what I was. Bethani Frankel was doing it for.
Speaker 1: I had eight thousand dollars to my name. I went
Speaker 1: on the show. It changed my life. It went up
Speaker 1: for three years. I left. It felt toxic, It felt
Speaker 1: the opposite who I was, even though I could have
Speaker 1: taken it. Although I left, I came back years later.
Speaker 1: I left again. And the reasons that I've left are
Speaker 1: because it's not who I am. It's not the discussions
Speaker 1: I want to be having. It doesn't feel like it
Speaker 1: reflects my life. Without trying to act like you're better then,
Speaker 1: but just knowing that there's something wrong with this way
Speaker 1: of communicating. And people are on medication, people are on xanix.
Speaker 1: I know house as many minimum ten that have gone
Speaker 1: on anti anxiety medication because of this, And it's like
Speaker 1: what And then they're on the reunion or after the
Speaker 1: reunion and they say things like this, I'm still recovering
Speaker 1: from that reunion. Like I literally had to talk to
Speaker 1: my therapist. But this is this self induced thing for
Speaker 1: people who already have money. But what does it say
Speaker 1: about society that that that crack pipe you go back
Speaker 1: to it because you want that fame, you want that relevance,
Speaker 1: you want that hit. It is dreadful when it's going badly,
Speaker 1: and it's half the time going badly. So what does
Speaker 1: it mean Jerry? Well, uh, we've grown up in a
Speaker 1: people today are growing up in a society where everything
Speaker 1: is shared. There is no privacy anymore. That all you do.
Speaker 1: You you look at social media, you look at Facebook,
Speaker 1: you look at whatever. It's every second of the day. Here,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm eating from right, you know, this
Speaker 1: is what my bedroom looks like. This is uh my
Speaker 1: kid yelled at me today. But in other words, it's
Speaker 1: everyone is has become addicted to there is no existence
Speaker 1: unless there's a camera on. Well, everyone wants attention but
Speaker 1: then that's some version of fame, so people are putting face.
Speaker 1: What I see on the Housewives is fame has a
Speaker 1: higher value than happiness. Do you ever, there's the blue
Speaker 1: level of plastic surgery. I am fifty one years old.
Speaker 1: There's there of the women on these shows have had
Speaker 1: plastic surgery. That's a crazy number. I have not had
Speaker 1: plastic surgery. Um, I had a boom lift that years ago,
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. But you you start to live in
Speaker 1: this reality where you think that you should be doing
Speaker 1: that because everybody's doing it one hunt, I mean of
Speaker 1: filler and the young girls are doing it too. And
Speaker 1: I believe that in this case it's more important to
Speaker 1: look like you have a great life than to actually
Speaker 1: have a great life. There's a greater value placed on fame,
Speaker 1: is what I'm seeing. Well, Um, I have two thoughts
Speaker 1: on that. What I was gonna I was encouraged to
Speaker 1: get a face lift, and I decided it's cheaper to
Speaker 1: have my body lowered. So what I've done okay, But uh,
Speaker 1: the the idea that, yes, people want some degree of fame,
Speaker 1: but if you're if you're seeking fame, there's there's something
Speaker 1: missing because you don't need fame. You don't need fame
Speaker 1: to justify your existence, to give yourself self worth. And UH,
Speaker 1: that's why I believe that people that become well known
Speaker 1: or famous uh in their adult years, when they're already
Speaker 1: in their forties, UH, can handle it much better than
Speaker 1: young people because and that's why so many athletes get
Speaker 1: in trouble. But it's funny you said in your forties,
Speaker 1: because this is a very interesting group where there's nothing
Speaker 1: more desperate than a woman oh in her fifties that
Speaker 1: is gripping onto fame, doesn't feel relevant in their house,
Speaker 1: can't be relevant in the workplace, in any other space
Speaker 1: than this, because this is a very unique niche where
Speaker 1: these women reside. These women aren't fifty, but now many
Speaker 1: of the housewives are fifty, the late forties, fifties. It's
Speaker 1: an amazing career you can create on the housewives that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't get anywhere else. You get to be crazy,
Speaker 1: get drunk, talk about plastic surgery, the dazzling your vagina,
Speaker 1: and ship like that, and behave badly and do better
Speaker 1: for it. The more badly you behave, the more you
Speaker 1: are rewarded. So it's a very weird vortex here. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so what do you the Jacqueline and her
Speaker 1: daughter Ashley. It's funny because we're we're older, where those
Speaker 1: people that certain music we don't understand, and where of
Speaker 1: course those older people. So I'm gonna preface it by
Speaker 1: saying that you don't think I am whatever I have
Speaker 1: sucks your age, I understand, but still it's still I
Speaker 1: still these kids and the work ethic and the whole thing. Right.
Speaker 1: I came up, and I came up before you know,
Speaker 1: everybody was. I just came up in a time you
Speaker 1: worked eighteen hours a day, and I grew up in
Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Katzenberg. If you're not gonna come in on Saturday,
Speaker 1: don't bother coming in on Sunday mentality. That's how I
Speaker 1: came up. So Ashley's going and she's crying, and we're
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what she's crying, but you can tell
Speaker 1: there's a level of frustration. And I see this in
Speaker 1: young girls. I've had young girls. I've had young girls
Speaker 1: interview me for jobs, like meaning they're asking me how
Speaker 1: much they actually have to come in, how much they
Speaker 1: have to work, the hours of lunch break, And here
Speaker 1: I see a young girl, and she seems very upset
Speaker 1: about having to take have a commute from New Jersey
Speaker 1: into New York City, which is not a far commute,
Speaker 1: that particular commute, and wants to have her own apartment.
Speaker 1: And I saw an interesting communication style, and I thought,
Speaker 1: ultimately that as often is, the man is more, you know,
Speaker 1: is calmer in their delivery, and he was of delivering
Speaker 1: the message she couldn't. She and her mother wanted to
Speaker 1: just go at it. Both of them just wanted to
Speaker 1: go at it. But I thought that the mother's message
Speaker 1: was correct. It was the messaging that wasn't correct, which
Speaker 1: is often the case. I thought the mother was like,
Speaker 1: what the hell you think life's gonna just hand you something?
Speaker 1: And the father was kind of creating boundaries and rules
Speaker 1: for us. I wanted to hear what you thought of
Speaker 1: that dynamic and kids and having money and how you're
Speaker 1: gonna get them to want to work as hard as
Speaker 1: we did. Yeah, that's a common That was perhaps the
Speaker 1: most real life situation of the particular show that you
Speaker 1: had me watch. I had you watch it? Sorry, oh you,
Speaker 1: But as I said, actually then I really enjoyed it
Speaker 1: time you had me watch it too. And they picked, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to do homework every time too, and I
Speaker 1: but then I enjoy it, right, okaycause I had to
Speaker 1: explain to making my wife. You know, she said, you know,
Speaker 1: she came up to the office and sitting there. Why
Speaker 1: she says, what are you doing? And I said, I'm
Speaker 1: watching Housewives? She says, why aren't you? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: not that it's a bad thing, but yeah it is.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been married forty nine years and she
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, this is she wouldn't think I would
Speaker 1: do this, and I like, so anyway, I said to homework,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it, but you're going on you tell the
Speaker 1: surprise we're going on the Housewives together? Yeah yeah, aversary gift,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would be something. So anyway, but that's
Speaker 1: that is a parent um discussion with a teenager. And
Speaker 1: you know, at at some level, at some point, that
Speaker 1: discussion always comes up. I mean, it may come up
Speaker 1: when your fourteen, why can't I do this? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you gotta work for it first. And you know,
Speaker 1: you can't assume that just because we have money there
Speaker 1: for you know, you're gonna have to work for it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to so that just seemed so real.
Speaker 1: I honestly, I thought that was in terms of reality.
Speaker 1: I thought that it was a real, real discuss. Anyone
Speaker 1: wanting the show Yeah that has Kids has at some
Speaker 1: point may had that discussion, and people that it didn't
Speaker 1: matter whether you were wealthy or not. Even if you're
Speaker 1: not wealthy. You know, the parent at some point gets
Speaker 1: to say, because the kid's got a friend who's wealthier,
Speaker 1: how come I can't have that? Right? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: because I don't make so much money. That's why we
Speaker 1: can't afford it. But it doesn't mean that you can't
Speaker 1: go out and work and get it at a point,
Speaker 1: So that was it was real. Yeah, And you've seen
Speaker 1: on the show other times where they struggle because then
Speaker 1: they don't want to get the daughter the car, and
Speaker 1: then she's acting like a bit, and then they do
Speaker 1: get her the car. And in this case, the daughter
Speaker 1: is genuinely having emotions because she doesn't know what the
Speaker 1: real world is really like, and those are genuine emotions,
Speaker 1: and the mother, you know, sometimes you want to like
Speaker 1: the other day, my daughter said something about, oh, but
Speaker 1: all her friends were coming over and it has to
Speaker 1: be four not five, and they need we need room
Speaker 1: in the car, and I literally said, I've never I
Speaker 1: really never have said this to my daughter before, but
Speaker 1: I said tough ship like I said it, but it
Speaker 1: felt good to say because it felt like, who the
Speaker 1: hell do you think you are? And the mother was
Speaker 1: not being logical, and you know, men in many cases
Speaker 1: that I've seen, can be calm or in these discussions
Speaker 1: with the kids, they're not. Also, he also isn't in
Speaker 1: the day and day out with the daughter where he
Speaker 1: wants to rip or buy her ponytail. He's coming home
Speaker 1: at the end of the day from work having this
Speaker 1: logical conversation. I thought that the lesson for us, though,
Speaker 1: is the messaging versus the message. Like her message was right,
Speaker 1: her messaging was not right. But you know what, I
Speaker 1: wonder on this show if there was any possibility that
Speaker 1: the messaging would be right, because it's not as if
Speaker 1: nothing else was going on in the world, and then
Speaker 1: let's have this discussion. It was this story growing up
Speaker 1: and watching, particularly on this show, these adults arguing who
Speaker 1: had a bigger party, who has a bigger house? I
Speaker 1: didn't get invited exactly. There is such childish behavior by
Speaker 1: the grown ups nice that all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: nineteen year old you're not gonna you know, if if
Speaker 1: they've just finished the discussion where almost every other word
Speaker 1: is the F word and stuff like that, arguing over
Speaker 1: just childish things that have no meaning in the real world.
Speaker 1: It's a point messages who's going to listen to that message?
Speaker 1: And in many cases the mothers don't have careers or work.
Speaker 1: They can't say I worked my ass off before I
Speaker 1: got my own car because it's not true, and they're active.
Speaker 1: That's a very good that's a very interesting point. The
Speaker 1: role models and the drama, and the superficiality and the
Speaker 1: showing off of the cars, and the pretending you have
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand lolls to pay for furniture in this
Speaker 1: big house, which you can't afford. It's a lot of bullshit.
Speaker 1: That's a good point that we know, but I don't
Speaker 1: talk about enough. So that's a good one. Um, what
Speaker 1: about well, first of all, the girl do you remember
Speaker 1: Lizzie Grubman, the girl that she works for, is the
Speaker 1: one with the Mercedes SUV that ran over the fifteen
Speaker 1: people in the Hampton's and she had a big try.
Speaker 1: Remember that story in the Hampton's that the girl. She
Speaker 1: was in the post every day. I went to college
Speaker 1: with her. I actually know her now. She went to Northeastern. Okay,
Speaker 1: she went to Northeastern. I went to be You you
Speaker 1: could google it. It was in the Post and not
Speaker 1: exaggerating in Queens every day. It was in the paper
Speaker 1: every day. She was on the cover of the Post.
Speaker 1: Lizzie is is Grubman. Actually my my law firm, my
Speaker 1: lawyer's daughter. Uh Alan Grubman is a big famous entertainment
Speaker 1: lawyer in music and entertainment. He's actually being inducted into
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame right like now.
Speaker 1: And his daughter, who's a wealthy, wealthy daughter who had
Speaker 1: a Mercedes suv, was in the Hampton's at a place
Speaker 1: called Conscious Point and she backed out and ran over
Speaker 1: fifteen people in her suv. Nobody died but severely injured.
Speaker 1: And it was major lawsuits and it was a major thing.
Speaker 1: It was just a crazy New York when it was
Speaker 1: when you know, not everybody was in the paper every
Speaker 1: day because it wasn't the internet the same way, and
Speaker 1: it was crazy. So that's who actually works for. She
Speaker 1: has a she has a PR firm that was you know,
Speaker 1: she's she's gotten into trouble in her life, and I
Speaker 1: know her, but you know, she was a young she
Speaker 1: lived a fast young life. Um, okay, so I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting. So now Joe is working at a
Speaker 1: pizza place, which is sort of like sounds like the
Speaker 1: producers made sure that Joe had a storyline for the
Speaker 1: next season and had a job, because no one on
Speaker 1: these shows would work at a pizza place as a
Speaker 1: pizza boy, as Theresa called him. So they're going through
Speaker 1: this sort of bankruptcy. She's calling him her pizza boy.
Speaker 1: He spoke to her so disrespectfully later when she's asking
Speaker 1: about his stomach, Like, it seems like they really speak
Speaker 1: very disrespectfully to each other in in the couple. What
Speaker 1: do you think about them? Well, it obviously I don't
Speaker 1: know them, but at least that discussion seemed a little weird,
Speaker 1: and it's it's normally not someone something that's someone which
Speaker 1: about on television. You're talking about the runs. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that that just I mean but yeah, but even
Speaker 1: if you just say I've got an upset stomach, right,
Speaker 1: too much information beyond my fiance his number to go
Speaker 1: on the show. I think it's like fifty or a
Speaker 1: hundred million. There's no number for him because he appreciates
Speaker 1: his privacy and his happiness, and there's nothing they have
Speaker 1: that he wants. It would be a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars to talk about his bowels on to I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think there is a number. I don't think
Speaker 1: there is a number for him to talk about it,
Speaker 1: or me to embarrass him and degrade him to talk
Speaker 1: about it. And then she says Tommy, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to want to talk about the runs. And then
Speaker 1: she's in an interview saying, well, no, when I have
Speaker 1: the runs, it's a very serious matter. And I'm thinking
Speaker 1: I think it's for anybody. It's a serious matter. When
Speaker 1: you have the diarrhea is very serious. Like she acted
Speaker 1: like it was more serious for her if she had it.
Speaker 1: It's a different situation. She needs to run to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: which we understand, and you know you're gonna be late,
Speaker 1: which we understand. Like I feel like diarrhea Trump's time
Speaker 1: being on time. I feel like a Trump's the runs
Speaker 1: Trump most things. It just feels serious for everybody. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's always the perfect excuse because you could
Speaker 1: be upset that somebody's late. But if they say that,
Speaker 1: you don't want to know anymore. It's so true. It's
Speaker 1: better than COVID or pregnancy. The runs are really a
Speaker 1: good excuse, and we don't and because it's degrading yourself
Speaker 1: that you have to get to that point where you
Speaker 1: say it. See even Jerry spring it as want to
Speaker 1: talk about the runs, right. So anyway, I thought that that,
Speaker 1: and they went into it multiple times. And the tummy,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anyone talk. You can't how's your tummy?
Speaker 1: Walking into the christening? And now everyone's dressed in nice
Speaker 1: clothing and be thinking I hope it's good. It just
Speaker 1: felt like a lot of information. Yeah, I I agree,
Speaker 1: But you know that's Jersey um because in the the
Speaker 1: Gorga Houses over here saying with the christening that like
Speaker 1: Teresa is not on time, and they're saying family comes first,
Speaker 1: they missed part of the christening and family comes first.
Speaker 1: In my house, the runs come first and faster. So
Speaker 1: I feel like that's trumping the christening. And I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna have to say, I'm gonna believe that they were
Speaker 1: telling the truth. I didn't. And and this is just
Speaker 1: because I hadn't watched the show, so it wasn't clear
Speaker 1: to me exactly. Even though they mentioned it once in
Speaker 1: a while, I wasn't feeling why these people were so
Speaker 1: angry at each other. It seemed, yes, yeah, you would
Speaker 1: think on christening, you know, that is a family thing.
Speaker 1: But people think family is important, you know, in other ways,
Speaker 1: when they were sitting at the table, why did the
Speaker 1: brother is the brother joey or Joe? It's Joe Gorga,
Speaker 1: Joe giu dis Joe, j do you diys? Is juicy?
Speaker 1: Joe Teresa's husband who has the runs, which he'll will
Speaker 1: know would be vetted in history. And Joe Gorga is
Speaker 1: Melissa the new housewive. Okay that Joe, uh, that wasn't
Speaker 1: the place. Probably if I was his best friend and
Speaker 1: Melissa tried to calm and down. Don't start up if
Speaker 1: she comes over, if your sister comes over and says
Speaker 1: congratulations again, even if she said it before. Don't start
Speaker 1: a fight about who's on time, who's not on time.
Speaker 1: You want to have a lovely event for something that
Speaker 1: has significance in the family and they're going to remember
Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives. Just don't and he
Speaker 1: just says, go away, go away, using their language or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't you know. It just seemed why are you
Speaker 1: picking this fight? Because he made the other Joe, Joe
Speaker 1: who's married to Teresa, seemed like a reasonable guy. It's
Speaker 1: funny you say that. Okay, so it's funny, but that's
Speaker 1: because I don't know any of the backstory. Okay, it's funny.
Speaker 1: There's you don't know a backstory or story that comes later.
Speaker 1: But like Joe ju Dice later ends up, it's seemingly
Speaker 1: having an affair, and he's like a nappa on a
Speaker 1: cell phone, referring to Teresa as a C. She's a
Speaker 1: C because he has realize he's not a hot mike.
Speaker 1: But there's some part of him that seems like he's
Speaker 1: just not thirsty for the fame, Like he's just in
Speaker 1: the background, just like she's doing this. So he did
Speaker 1: it too. He doesn't seem like he's on the forefront
Speaker 1: as a character in the show and doesn't give a ship.
Speaker 1: And there's something about that that I actually that gives
Speaker 1: me a quarter of him that I can tolerate because
Speaker 1: he doesn't give a ship and I respect that part, right,
Speaker 1: So he's not trying to be a star. He doesn't
Speaker 1: want to. And it seems to me that if Teresa,
Speaker 1: so you're in Jersey, you know, everyone's probably struggling with money.
Speaker 1: Everyone I've ever seen on the housel just doesn't have
Speaker 1: the money they say everyone every without exception, they don't
Speaker 1: have the money they say they do. So let's say
Speaker 1: that you know, Teresa and Joe are on the show,
Speaker 1: and down the street Joe Gorga who's charismatic and his
Speaker 1: wife wants to be a pop star, which is the case.
Speaker 1: You know, we're watching the fame over there, and now
Speaker 1: it's the third season and it's their time. In the background,
Speaker 1: Joe j Dice is chummy with Teresa's father and hangs
Speaker 1: out with him. Because Joe Gorgon is always working, he
Speaker 1: clearly doesn't work as much, and so there's a jealousy
Speaker 1: there in the family. That's bubbling. That's bubbling, and I
Speaker 1: think Teresa becoming famous quickly on the show is bubbling.
Speaker 1: So now Melissa's coming on. Theresa didn't want that to happen.
Speaker 1: And here we are, and based on what you don't
Speaker 1: know going on currently in two, Joe gorgo was just
Speaker 1: at this Bravo conference on stage, waxing poetic, he loves
Speaker 1: the stage, he loves being a star, slapping Andy Cohen's
Speaker 1: ass um you know, he threw a drink, I think
Speaker 1: on someone. He came into play to be a house husband.
Speaker 1: So it seems like he did want drama at that
Speaker 1: christening because he did invite Theresa. Whether the producers prodeed
Speaker 1: him or not, but he came to play at that
Speaker 1: christening and loves that there was a throat and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm getting. Yeah, okay, that's what I'm Yeah. You
Speaker 1: know that it makes sense what you're saying now, because
Speaker 1: that if you had never seen the show before, he
Speaker 1: looks like the bad guy now, then you start to
Speaker 1: feel a little bit that he feels bad because he's
Speaker 1: losing his relationship with his dad. But if that's the case,
Speaker 1: and he's had two open heart surgeries, why are you
Speaker 1: fighting He could have had a heart attack right there
Speaker 1: that it would seem to me that television aside. If
Speaker 1: this is total really true, if his dad really had
Speaker 1: the open heart surgeries, if that really and that they
Speaker 1: said he's all white and he looks what in the world,
Speaker 1: nothing then becomes more important than everyone settled down, given space,
Speaker 1: let's all behave we gotta get you know, my dad
Speaker 1: doesn't need this. It's so true because well, what's funny
Speaker 1: is they called the episode in the name of the father,
Speaker 1: but they should have called it family comes first, because
Speaker 1: Gorga is the one who said family in in my house,
Speaker 1: family or in the Gorges whatever, family comes first. You're
Speaker 1: not only not caring about the elderly who's now passed away,
Speaker 1: the father who's dead, and the daughter who's crying. Family
Speaker 1: does not come first. Actually, I know it was all
Speaker 1: much of stuff, totally true. Family does not come first
Speaker 1: because you would never act like that. And the truth is,
Speaker 1: oh the way he spoke to Teresa too. She walked
Speaker 1: over to the table. Even if she's full of ship,
Speaker 1: well she has full because she's got diary. But even
Speaker 1: she's full of ship walking over. Everybody hates everybody and everything.
Speaker 1: You go to parties, you gotta say oh, and then
Speaker 1: they walk away and you say, I don't like that guy.
Speaker 1: You play the game. You're at a christening. Hi, nice
Speaker 1: to see you, you look nice, Thank you. You play
Speaker 1: the game. She walks up and he's like, get a
Speaker 1: walk away, Get the hell away from me like he
Speaker 1: was nesty. That's what That's what came acrost. That's that
Speaker 1: was the first thing I noticed in the show, because
Speaker 1: well it was early in the show when they first
Speaker 1: showed that clip. Hostile, yes, and that how stility provoked
Speaker 1: and she really didn't do much. She was an outside.
Speaker 1: Another thing we didn't talk about. You You were a
Speaker 1: host on your show. No matter how bad somebody was
Speaker 1: to you, You're still the host there in your house.
Speaker 1: Didn't you feel that way? Yeah? But yes, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: well I just you know, I'm sure I have many weaknesses,
Speaker 1: but I don't have a temper and I don't curse.
Speaker 1: So but even disrespectfully, they walk into your house. This
Speaker 1: is the Gorgon's event they're hosting. They invited Teresa. She
Speaker 1: walks and think about the way they acted and ostracized
Speaker 1: their guests. Yeah, well no I would when they come
Speaker 1: onto this, When these people came onto the show them,
Speaker 1: I liked just a person because they didn't have everything
Speaker 1: I had in life, you know what I mean. They
Speaker 1: weren't lucky. They didn't maybe they didn't have luck in
Speaker 1: the gene pool of parents, you know. It just they
Speaker 1: didn't have the education whatever, so there but for the
Speaker 1: grace of God go on. So I never thought I
Speaker 1: was better than anyone who was ever on the show.
Speaker 1: So therefore I never got angry even if they started
Speaker 1: cursing it. They were it was each other. You weren't
Speaker 1: the conflict. But if they're coming on the show, they
Speaker 1: don't hate me. Otherwise why would they come on the show? No,
Speaker 1: I just mean. I just mean. If you're having a
Speaker 1: party at your house with your wife and someone does
Speaker 1: something really that you don't like, you their guests in
Speaker 1: your home and you have to act differently. Is to say,
Speaker 1: your guests and someone else's home, you have to act
Speaker 1: a certain way, and when you have a guest in
Speaker 1: your home to act a certain way. And they invited
Speaker 1: her and were nasty to Theresa. In my opinion, like
Speaker 1: people behave they really do. I'm not saying they don't
Speaker 1: have moments. But when you meet someone, you say, how
Speaker 1: do you do? Right? You know? You you behave a
Speaker 1: certain way. When you go to your church, you behave
Speaker 1: at certain way. When you're around strangers you haven't met yet,
Speaker 1: you're in someone's house, as you said, you behave. You
Speaker 1: don't knock over things, You don't. It's just normal polite behavior.
Speaker 1: Most people are polite, right, And what's funny is I
Speaker 1: might be I'm more conservative than people think I am
Speaker 1: because of the way that I speak and because, you know,
Speaker 1: because I curse or I'm outspoken. I remember going to
Speaker 1: I think it was about Mitzvah, and there were people
Speaker 1: smoking pot, like outside in the back, now, you know,
Speaker 1: And I thought that was so disrespectful, like I'm so naive,
Speaker 1: and I heard that at my wedding people were smoking pot,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why I thought that was dispectful.
Speaker 1: It's also double standard because pot and alcohol in many ways,
Speaker 1: and many people think alcohol is worse than pot. But
Speaker 1: I don't know why I thought that was disrespectful. But shots,
Speaker 1: doing shots that are christening for some reason, just have
Speaker 1: a drink, have a glass of wine, have a vodka.
Speaker 1: Doing shots seems very juvenile and christening. It just seems
Speaker 1: like are you in college? Yeah? Do you you know
Speaker 1: they're all, let's do a shot, like what? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think if you're going to something that is basically Look,
Speaker 1: it's not for me to say what people do at christenings,
Speaker 1: but if it's a religious that's what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you behave differently than you do when you're act with
Speaker 1: your friends on a Friday night in a nightclub. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't think you're doing like you know,
Speaker 1: funnels at about Mitzvah. It's a Jewish event, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm saying what you're saying. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you do shots later on at the nightclub after the christening.
Speaker 1: It's the afternoon. Um. Also, I may be wrong. I've
Speaker 1: been to christenings. Um, why was everybody wearing like bridesmaid stresses?
Speaker 1: Did you notice that that the women that were getting
Speaker 1: there in the room, the sisters and you don't know? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: because I don't know what you normally would wear. My
Speaker 1: assistant has pat a christening i've never heard of, like
Speaker 1: I thought in the best because it was on television.
Speaker 1: They know they're on television and they want to look.
Speaker 1: I'm going to show off my daughter. My daughter's gonna
Speaker 1: look better than their daughter, right, But no, the grown
Speaker 1: sisters of that we're in the bathroom talking about the
Speaker 1: glam wearing like matching dresses. Yeah, I didn't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: you're supposed to, but I didn't know it was bizarre.
Speaker 1: Um okay, So ultimately, what who saw are you on? Oh?
Speaker 1: Whose side am I on? Yeah? Well, in the show,
Speaker 1: I ah, I was liking every one of them, and
Speaker 1: I really felt like I understood their character. The only
Speaker 1: thing I didn't understand, So I wasn't sitting there to
Speaker 1: be judgmental. Yeah, the only thing I didn't understand. And
Speaker 1: I told myself that that's because I don't know the
Speaker 1: background story. But I thought Melissa's Joe or you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Gorga, that he could have He's the one that
Speaker 1: raised the temperature in the place that no one else
Speaker 1: was coming in ready to fight. They could have been
Speaker 1: you know, they could have been hiding their true feelings
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the only one who walked in there saying,
Speaker 1: you know, just don't step on my toes the wrong
Speaker 1: you know, just don't give me an excuse, give me
Speaker 1: an excuse, because I'm ready to fight. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone else went there, you know, unless that's what the
Speaker 1: producers wanted. No, no, no, no, I can't. So there
Speaker 1: was no one. Uh I could really relate to Caroline, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, kids leaving home. I understood that I as
Speaker 1: I said, I really understood the conversation Jacqueline and Chris
Speaker 1: were having with Ashley Um with their daughter. So I
Speaker 1: think they all nothing shocked me in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: you'd like to think that way a second. What are
Speaker 1: we really fighting about? What are we arguing? But I
Speaker 1: do understand, perhaps when you're now telling me that the
Speaker 1: back story was that Teresa was unhappy with Melissa suddenly
Speaker 1: coming on the show and you know, stealing some of
Speaker 1: the totally. And it still goes on today. They still
Speaker 1: all these years later. That was years ago, all these
Speaker 1: years later. Teresa just got remarried and Melissa did not.
Speaker 1: I don't think she went to her wedding, and I don't.
Speaker 1: There's a competition that runs deep and it still stems
Speaker 1: from that and probably other things, but it definitely stems
Speaker 1: from that. Um. Caroline left the show, and I actually
Speaker 1: want to talk to her about something in television. She
Speaker 1: left the show. I know the Bravo would always love
Speaker 1: her to come back in some capacity, and she would
Speaker 1: like to come back in some capacity, but she left
Speaker 1: the show, and it's sort of like a den mother.
Speaker 1: Jacqueline I believe was let go. And I actually think
Speaker 1: Jacqueline is a decent ho house. There has to be
Speaker 1: some cock in between the tiles, like, there's gotta be
Speaker 1: some filler. I don't think she jumps off the page
Speaker 1: and is the most mercurial housewife. There have to be
Speaker 1: some temperature reducing housewives mixed in. Kathy also was let
Speaker 1: go and I liked her husband, the Lebanese guy, Richie.
Speaker 1: They came on my talk show, so I've always sort
Speaker 1: of liked them for some reason. I don't know why. Um,
Speaker 1: But that again, I don't think there's any room for filler.
Speaker 1: It's like they want all people that really bring things
Speaker 1: to the table. So it's the current state of housewives.
Speaker 1: There aren't a lot of filler. And when you're on
Speaker 1: the Housewives, you don't want filler yourself too. You like,
Speaker 1: get out of the way, filler person, because I want
Speaker 1: to go where the meat is. And we got to
Speaker 1: get these ratings up. So maybe I'm contradicting myself based
Speaker 1: on but but as a viewer, you need some people
Speaker 1: that aren't always gonna be at a tent. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: otherwise the tent doesn't seem like a ten anymore. So
Speaker 1: what was this Christening fight? A six? Five. No, that
Speaker 1: was I'd say six or seven could have gotten to
Speaker 1: a nine. If not, well, obviously there was no No
Speaker 1: one was taking furniture and smashing ahead or something like that.
Speaker 1: Well Teresa did flip a table at one point, but yes,
Speaker 1: not in that episode. Yeah, okay, seven is all the seven.
Speaker 1: But but the thing which you know, the dead that
Speaker 1: was going on, that's the first thing that struck me.
Speaker 1: When they started the fight, someone says that's his father
Speaker 1: because you couldn't see who was in the fight. And
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking, oh my god, oh that part I
Speaker 1: forgot right. And then at the end it seems like
Speaker 1: the father is very disappointed. It's not very often that
Speaker 1: a father is taken a side of the son and
Speaker 1: law versus the son. That's like, that's pretty yeah, and
Speaker 1: that that got Joe. That probably is the thing that
Speaker 1: hits them more than the Then what's going on with Teresa,
Speaker 1: And if I think about their current arguments, there's no
Speaker 1: the parents. I think the mothers passed. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but the father is dead, so there's nobody to keep
Speaker 1: anybody in check, meaning they could fight as much as
Speaker 1: they want now because they don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: what the father thinks, so he's approval or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you relate to Caroline the most and
Speaker 1: the whole episode. We had to be one character who
Speaker 1: would be oh gosh, I don't know. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to relate to Caroline, probably in terms of,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm seventy eight years old, so Caroline was
Speaker 1: the only one who was win thirty years of my well, okay,
Speaker 1: and you know, so it's uh, but they they all
Speaker 1: of them had what I consider electric personalities. I mean
Speaker 1: they all you noticed everyone, but man, I don't mean
Speaker 1: just because they're all good looking. They had something going
Speaker 1: on there. Chari okay, exactly when they walked, when they
Speaker 1: came on the scene, they were noticeable. Did the cast
Speaker 1: state did a good job? That's nice. I'm gonna that's nice.
Speaker 1: That's they'll probably love to hear that. And who um, Well,
Speaker 1: then the only two more questions, what's the rose and thorn?
Speaker 1: What was the best part of the I don't know,
Speaker 1: the best could be something bad that you didn't like,
Speaker 1: but the best part of the episode and the worst, well,
Speaker 1: the runs was the worst. Okay, I mean, just I know,
Speaker 1: we don't need it. Uh. Well, the most exciting part
Speaker 1: obviously was the fighting part. That's okay, yeah, the fight
Speaker 1: and the runs, But the ones where I was invested
Speaker 1: in was the parents talking to the door to Ashley.
Speaker 1: So I thought Jacqueline was excellent in that um episode.
Speaker 1: And uh and yeah, I think there was no bad
Speaker 1: party in all every you know, maybe because I was
Speaker 1: so concentrating because I knew I would have to be tested.
Speaker 1: I'd be tested, So I really, as I said, I
Speaker 1: drew diagrams I got up. Please keep those. Just don't
Speaker 1: throw those away. I may want those at some point
Speaker 1: for something. I don't know why, but I think Jerry
Speaker 1: Springers diagrams on the Housewives seems like something that I
Speaker 1: will want. Yeah, I'd like, well, I'd like to frame
Speaker 1: them if it's if it's all the same to you.
Speaker 1: So my producer is going to get those because I
Speaker 1: just feel like Jerry Springs. These are Jerry Springers diagrams
Speaker 1: on the Housewives. I mean exactly, thank you I have, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thank you. I need those. Um, yeah, it's funny,
Speaker 1: you're reminded me. I like Jacqueline, I like John as
Speaker 1: as a cousewife. And then I guess the last thing,
Speaker 1: which I think we know, but you could crystallize it.
Speaker 1: What's the what's the takeaway of the So what's the
Speaker 1: life lesson? The family should come first? Well, it's you
Speaker 1: start out with you have the deepest connection to the family.
Speaker 1: Uh and they're the family is there when you're born,
Speaker 1: when you're you know, a young child, the impressionable years,
Speaker 1: so the family never leaves. But as we grow up,
Speaker 1: then we marry someone, we have an extended family, we
Speaker 1: have relationships with people we work with. UHH. So your
Speaker 1: life becomes more complicated. All you have to do is
Speaker 1: look at how you spend your Thanksgivings over the years.
Speaker 1: You know, first you always at quote home with mom,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, well now every other
Speaker 1: year you're the other family, and then that becomes your family.
Speaker 1: And then your kids they live in another city, then
Speaker 1: you're going there. So the family is tossed around a lot. Yes,
Speaker 1: it has many, many parts to it. Yes, Jerry, I
Speaker 1: love that. That's so prophetic. So you can't just say
Speaker 1: family comes first, because what is the family anymore? Mom
Speaker 1: and dad? What happens when mom and dad aren't around anymore?
Speaker 1: Now you have children, you know, and when your minds
Speaker 1: your grandkids. So then you you know, the family just
Speaker 1: keeps growing and growing and growing. It's very it's a
Speaker 1: very large family. It's a very very interesting thing you
Speaker 1: bring up because you've been married for you said forty
Speaker 1: seven years, right, forty nine years. So your wife in
Speaker 1: the in the first five years was your family, but
Speaker 1: not totally your family and made it could have gone sideways,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure almost did, like every other uple a
Speaker 1: million times. But your wife really became your like real
Speaker 1: like blood family. But that evolves and and then and
Speaker 1: I bet after all those years, your wife's family became
Speaker 1: your family. That's a very it's true. Like my fiance
Speaker 1: and I've been together four years. My relationship with his
Speaker 1: mother is different than it was before. I'll just call
Speaker 1: her on my own all the time and just say
Speaker 1: something or complain or complain about him. My daughter loves
Speaker 1: his mother and wants to see her as her family.
Speaker 1: And my daughter loves my fiance more than anyone, like
Speaker 1: lives for him. So that you know, it's interesting what
Speaker 1: you say. Yeah, that's true. So and everybody can't always
Speaker 1: just get along, and so I guess, and Teresa now
Speaker 1: has a new husband, and that's now her her family
Speaker 1: with her kids, and Joe's family is is Melissa that
Speaker 1: and their parents are that. That's a great But I
Speaker 1: know it sounds like a simple point. I'm glad I
Speaker 1: asked that question because I almost didn't because we had
Speaker 1: talked about it so much. But it was the best
Speaker 1: My favorite part of talking to you. I just don't
Speaker 1: think of it that way. The only shifting. Usually the
Speaker 1: favorite part of talking to me is the end. That's
Speaker 1: that's what they say at parties, and Jerry's about to
Speaker 1: leave the best time ever. Like when people come up
Speaker 1: and they talk about my show, they say to me,
Speaker 1: I loved your final four because was the show was over.
Speaker 1: That's very that's very Jewish thing to say. That's amazing. Well,
Speaker 1: tell your wife thank you for letting me borrow you
Speaker 1: and you watch in the Housewives. That's why I really
Speaker 1: love the show, Jerry, because it's so ridiculous, Like why
Speaker 1: are Jerry Springer and I talking about Joe Gorgon? Like
Speaker 1: why it makes no sense? But it makes all the
Speaker 1: sense of the world because you gave me such an amazing,
Speaker 1: poetic answer. And I'm sure if I met Joe I
Speaker 1: would just hey, guy, how are you doing. I grew
Speaker 1: up with a lot of Joe. I bet you might
Speaker 1: maybe because the show, you'll meet Joe Gorgon like he
Speaker 1: could hurt me. He also is very sweet. I've met him.
Speaker 1: He's very nice and very gentle. He could hurt you.
Speaker 1: He's very sensitive. This is his first foray ever onto television.
Speaker 1: He wanted to come in hot and he did. And
Speaker 1: I don't watch that much either. I don't watch that much,
Speaker 1: so I'm watching new with you. Um, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I want to meet you. I really do. Tell your
Speaker 1: wife I said hello, love to your family, and thank
Speaker 1: you for doing that. Thank you, Thank you so much
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