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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back to rewives. In today's episode, we're watching

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Speaker 1: the explosive, iconic, and frankly unbelievable Melissa and Joe Gorga

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Speaker 1: debuting on the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and let

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Speaker 1: me just say it did not disappoint. I don't mean

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Speaker 1: could be one of the best and definitely most iconic

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Speaker 1: Housewives episodes of any franchise since its inception. It holds up.

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Speaker 1: Not every episode holds up, and we're choosing episodes that

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Speaker 1: hold up that could be yesterday, crazy crazy crazy. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I went back several times to see if I actually

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Speaker 1: was correct that Melissa and Joe Gorga this was there.

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Speaker 1: This was there, like Virgin Maiden voyage on the house

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Speaker 1: was You can't even believe it. Whether you've seen it

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Speaker 1: or not, you'll freak out. It's it's actually not believable,

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Speaker 1: but it's so believed because it's so real. This is

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Speaker 1: on my short list of one of the best Housewives

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Speaker 1: episodes ever. With a fistfight at a christening, there was

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Speaker 1: only one person who could break down this kind of madness,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Springer. You are going to love this. This was epic.

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Speaker 1: What a conversation to have. This discussion about this episode

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Speaker 1: was like eating candy. Oh my god, it's it was

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Speaker 1: candy with no calories. I mean, you're an icon in

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Speaker 1: this space, and I think about how crowded it is

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Speaker 1: and how if you're pitching shows two people, the word

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Speaker 1: talk is now sort of like a dirty word because

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Speaker 1: no one can really get it right. So what do

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Speaker 1: you think about all that when you watching what's going

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Speaker 1: on now and how it's evolved or devolved. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think it's all part of the democratization of our whole culture.

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Speaker 1: I mean it started out in the media. It started

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Speaker 1: out probably with talk radio years ago before you were born. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Larry King had a radio talk show

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Speaker 1: and people would call in. So that was the first

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Speaker 1: time that the audience became part of the show. People

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Speaker 1: would listen because I'd love to hear the callers and

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Speaker 1: laugh at that. Then it all of a sudden went

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Speaker 1: to television and Philadannia came along, and again it was

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Speaker 1: and then that transformed once we had social media. The

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Speaker 1: audience is now the entertainment It used to be just

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people living executives living in New York

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Speaker 1: or l A. Who would decide who the next stars

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Speaker 1: a sudden, it's anybody on social media and so that's democracy, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so that so that totally leads into what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, because now social media stars are inarguably famous.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I started coming up at the big agencies,

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Speaker 1: Marska Hargetas were the ones making the most money, and

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Speaker 1: people really resented um. And then it was celebrity chefs,

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Speaker 1: the Emeralds were making a lot of money, and they

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Speaker 1: resented these reality stars coming in because they don't have,

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Speaker 1: you know, a skill, they're they're they're just on television

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Speaker 1: living their own lives. I actually disagree, because I think

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Speaker 1: the good ones do have a scale. They're producing while

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Speaker 1: being you know, in reality TV. But um, here we

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Speaker 1: go onto Jersey, which has been a massive success, and

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Speaker 1: my producer Morgan thought it would be tongue and chee

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Speaker 1: to pair you in this way. This show is about

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Speaker 1: having accomplished, legitimate, successful media and entertainment people that I'm

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Speaker 1: having a conversation with, because um, I tend to get

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Speaker 1: these shows. So that's why, Uh, I think you're amazing

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Speaker 1: for this, because you're very accomplished, very smart. But also

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Speaker 1: you've been in the ship pit. I recognize that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know it's crazy. I mean, no one would have

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Speaker 1: and we's go whatever and said, gee, he's going to

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Speaker 1: be in show business. So I don't have any talent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think i'm you know, I think i'm

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Speaker 1: talented in terms of what we normally think. I'm not

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Speaker 1: How did I get into this? It must be a

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Speaker 1: people to talk about the things you want them to

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Speaker 1: For sure. That is a talent. To me, It's as

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Speaker 1: much of a talent, if not more, than just being

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Speaker 1: able to be able to play another character. Because it's

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Speaker 1: it's definitely not as easy as it looks. But um, okay,

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Speaker 1: so I could talk to you for ten hours and

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Speaker 1: I would like to because I'm really intrigued by this.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited for today, like popped out of bed. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we've got New Jersey. Do you watch reality TV?

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Speaker 1: And do you watch the Housewives? Uh? The answer is no? Okay,

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Speaker 1: and plus I was there why I want the same twice? So, um,

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Speaker 1: you know when I watched television, I watch for a

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Speaker 1: sports and I watch cable news. Okay, so this is

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Speaker 1: New Jersey house Swives. This is what I did watch

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Speaker 1: the episode by the way, good you know going in, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I watched it was season three, episode one, correct, And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting to mention. So we'll get into the characters.

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Speaker 1: For the people listening who have or haven't watched. This

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Speaker 1: is the infamous Jersey Housewives, UM Orange County Housewives, then

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Speaker 1: New York and then UM Jersey or Atlanta. That's when

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Speaker 1: it started to become an actual franchise. And this show

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Speaker 1: is different because the men and the children are more

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Speaker 1: and the kids really aren't either. And this what's different

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Speaker 1: not what it's like on other shows. You go in

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Speaker 1: give you a little background, this episode you're watching is

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Speaker 1: the first time we ever see Melissa and Joe Gorga.

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Speaker 1: That's that's why she's introducing her life and her kids.

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Speaker 1: We've never seen them before. That's Teresa's brother and sister

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Speaker 1: And apparently, you know, production was talking to Melissa long

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Speaker 1: It's just all kinds of ship that happens with Bravo

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Speaker 1: But it was fascinating, and you're right, I get how

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Speaker 1: authenticity because they're actually speaking Italian. These are guys in

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Speaker 1: So what do you think of the characters? Who did

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Speaker 1: So it's Melissa, You've got Melissa, Teresa, Caroline, Cathy, who

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Speaker 1: so what did you write they are all? What did

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Speaker 1: whatever they're feeling, they're letting you know. There's very there's

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Speaker 1: it's really not reality. Uh, it's um unscripted produced reality. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because what happens is they take us situation and then

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Speaker 1: But I would say that's the same thing on your

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Speaker 1: the people are coming up. People that are coming on

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Speaker 1: the show are coming with their real life. There's no makeup,

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Speaker 1: there's no this is you know, they're gonna they're not coming.

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna be famous, they're not gonna have a career.

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Speaker 1: They don't even use their real names. But by the way,

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Speaker 1: get drunk, talk about plastic surgery, the dazzling your vagina,

425
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: and ship like that, and behave badly and do better

426
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: for it. The more badly you behave, the more you

427
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 1: are rewarded. So it's a very weird vortex here. Okay,

428
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: all right, so what do you the Jacqueline and her

429
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: daughter Ashley. It's funny because we're we're older, where those

430
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: people that certain music we don't understand, and where of

431
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: course those older people. So I'm gonna preface it by

432
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: saying that you don't think I am whatever I have

433
00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: sucks your age, I understand, but still it's still I

434
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: still these kids and the work ethic and the whole thing. Right.

435
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: I came up, and I came up before you know,

436
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: everybody was. I just came up in a time you

437
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: worked eighteen hours a day, and I grew up in

438
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Katzenberg. If you're not gonna come in on Saturday,

439
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: don't bother coming in on Sunday mentality. That's how I

440
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: came up. So Ashley's going and she's crying, and we're

441
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what she's crying, but you can tell

442
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: there's a level of frustration. And I see this in

443
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: young girls. I've had young girls. I've had young girls

444
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: interview me for jobs, like meaning they're asking me how

445
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: much they actually have to come in, how much they

446
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: have to work, the hours of lunch break, And here

447
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: I see a young girl, and she seems very upset

448
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: about having to take have a commute from New Jersey

449
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: into New York City, which is not a far commute,

450
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: that particular commute, and wants to have her own apartment.

451
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: And I saw an interesting communication style, and I thought,

452
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: ultimately that as often is, the man is more, you know,

453
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: is calmer in their delivery, and he was of delivering

454
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: the message she couldn't. She and her mother wanted to

455
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: just go at it. Both of them just wanted to

456
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: go at it. But I thought that the mother's message

457
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: was correct. It was the messaging that wasn't correct, which

458
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: is often the case. I thought the mother was like,

459
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: what the hell you think life's gonna just hand you something?

460
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: And the father was kind of creating boundaries and rules

461
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: for us. I wanted to hear what you thought of

462
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: that dynamic and kids and having money and how you're

463
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: gonna get them to want to work as hard as

464
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: we did. Yeah, that's a common That was perhaps the

465
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 1: most real life situation of the particular show that you

466
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: had me watch. I had you watch it? Sorry, oh you,

467
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: But as I said, actually then I really enjoyed it

468
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: time you had me watch it too. And they picked, Yeah,

469
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: I have to do homework every time too, and I

470
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: but then I enjoy it, right, okaycause I had to

471
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: explain to making my wife. You know, she said, you know,

472
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: she came up to the office and sitting there. Why

473
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: she says, what are you doing? And I said, I'm

474
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: watching Housewives? She says, why aren't you? I mean, you know,

475
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: not that it's a bad thing, but yeah it is.

476
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: You know, we've been married forty nine years and she

477
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, this is she wouldn't think I would

478
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: do this, and I like, so anyway, I said to homework,

479
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing it, but you're going on you tell the

480
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: surprise we're going on the Housewives together? Yeah yeah, aversary gift,

481
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would be something. So anyway, but that's

482
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: that is a parent um discussion with a teenager. And

483
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, at at some level, at some point, that

484
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: discussion always comes up. I mean, it may come up

485
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: when your fourteen, why can't I do this? Well, you know,

486
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: maybe you gotta work for it first. And you know,

487
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: you can't assume that just because we have money there

488
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: for you know, you're gonna have to work for it.

489
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to so that just seemed so real.

490
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: I honestly, I thought that was in terms of reality.

491
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: I thought that it was a real, real discuss. Anyone

492
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: wanting the show Yeah that has Kids has at some

493
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: point may had that discussion, and people that it didn't

494
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: matter whether you were wealthy or not. Even if you're

495
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: not wealthy. You know, the parent at some point gets

496
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: to say, because the kid's got a friend who's wealthier,

497
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: how come I can't have that? Right? Well, you know,

498
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: because I don't make so much money. That's why we

499
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: can't afford it. But it doesn't mean that you can't

500
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: go out and work and get it at a point,

501
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: So that was it was real. Yeah, And you've seen

502
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: on the show other times where they struggle because then

503
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: they don't want to get the daughter the car, and

504
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: then she's acting like a bit, and then they do

505
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: get her the car. And in this case, the daughter

506
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: is genuinely having emotions because she doesn't know what the

507
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: real world is really like, and those are genuine emotions,

508
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: and the mother, you know, sometimes you want to like

509
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: the other day, my daughter said something about, oh, but

510
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: all her friends were coming over and it has to

511
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: be four not five, and they need we need room

512
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: in the car, and I literally said, I've never I

513
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: really never have said this to my daughter before, but

514
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: I said tough ship like I said it, but it

515
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: felt good to say because it felt like, who the

516
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: hell do you think you are? And the mother was

517
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: not being logical, and you know, men in many cases

518
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: that I've seen, can be calm or in these discussions

519
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: with the kids, they're not. Also, he also isn't in

520
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: the day and day out with the daughter where he

521
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: wants to rip or buy her ponytail. He's coming home

522
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the day from work having this

523
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: logical conversation. I thought that the lesson for us, though,

524
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: is the messaging versus the message. Like her message was right,

525
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: her messaging was not right. But you know what, I

526
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: wonder on this show if there was any possibility that

527
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: the messaging would be right, because it's not as if

528
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: nothing else was going on in the world, and then

529
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: let's have this discussion. It was this story growing up

530
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: and watching, particularly on this show, these adults arguing who

531
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: had a bigger party, who has a bigger house? I

532
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: didn't get invited exactly. There is such childish behavior by

533
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 1: the grown ups nice that all of a sudden, the

534
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: nineteen year old you're not gonna you know, if if

535
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: they've just finished the discussion where almost every other word

536
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: is the F word and stuff like that, arguing over

537
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: just childish things that have no meaning in the real world.

538
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: It's a point messages who's going to listen to that message?

539
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: And in many cases the mothers don't have careers or work.

540
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: They can't say I worked my ass off before I

541
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: got my own car because it's not true, and they're active.

542
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: That's a very good that's a very interesting point. The

543
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: role models and the drama, and the superficiality and the

544
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: showing off of the cars, and the pretending you have

545
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand lolls to pay for furniture in this

546
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: big house, which you can't afford. It's a lot of bullshit.

547
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: That's a good point that we know, but I don't

548
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: talk about enough. So that's a good one. Um, what

549
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: about well, first of all, the girl do you remember

550
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: Lizzie Grubman, the girl that she works for, is the

551
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: one with the Mercedes SUV that ran over the fifteen

552
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: people in the Hampton's and she had a big try.

553
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: Remember that story in the Hampton's that the girl. She

554
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: was in the post every day. I went to college

555
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: with her. I actually know her now. She went to Northeastern. Okay,

556
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: she went to Northeastern. I went to be You you

557
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: could google it. It was in the Post and not

558
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: exaggerating in Queens every day. It was in the paper

559
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: every day. She was on the cover of the Post.

560
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Lizzie is is Grubman. Actually my my law firm, my

561
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: lawyer's daughter. Uh Alan Grubman is a big famous entertainment

562
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: lawyer in music and entertainment. He's actually being inducted into

563
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame right like now.

564
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: And his daughter, who's a wealthy, wealthy daughter who had

565
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: a Mercedes suv, was in the Hampton's at a place

566
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: called Conscious Point and she backed out and ran over

567
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: fifteen people in her suv. Nobody died but severely injured.

568
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: And it was major lawsuits and it was a major thing.

569
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: It was just a crazy New York when it was

570
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: when you know, not everybody was in the paper every

571
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: day because it wasn't the internet the same way, and

572
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: it was crazy. So that's who actually works for. She

573
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: has a she has a PR firm that was you know,

574
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: she's she's gotten into trouble in her life, and I

575
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: know her, but you know, she was a young she

576
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: lived a fast young life. Um, okay, so I thought

577
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: it was interesting. So now Joe is working at a

578
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: pizza place, which is sort of like sounds like the

579
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: producers made sure that Joe had a storyline for the

580
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: next season and had a job, because no one on

581
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: these shows would work at a pizza place as a

582
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: pizza boy, as Theresa called him. So they're going through

583
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: this sort of bankruptcy. She's calling him her pizza boy.

584
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: He spoke to her so disrespectfully later when she's asking

585
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: about his stomach, Like, it seems like they really speak

586
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: very disrespectfully to each other in in the couple. What

587
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: do you think about them? Well, it obviously I don't

588
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: know them, but at least that discussion seemed a little weird,

589
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's normally not someone something that's someone which

590
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: about on television. You're talking about the runs. Yeah, I

591
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: mean that that just I mean but yeah, but even

592
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: if you just say I've got an upset stomach, right,

593
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: too much information beyond my fiance his number to go

594
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: on the show. I think it's like fifty or a

595
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: hundred million. There's no number for him because he appreciates

596
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: his privacy and his happiness, and there's nothing they have

597
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: that he wants. It would be a hundred and fifty

598
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: million dollars to talk about his bowels on to I mean,

599
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't think there is a number. I don't think

600
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: there is a number for him to talk about it,

601
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: or me to embarrass him and degrade him to talk

602
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: about it. And then she says Tommy, and he doesn't

603
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: seem to want to talk about the runs. And then

604
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: she's in an interview saying, well, no, when I have

605
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: the runs, it's a very serious matter. And I'm thinking

606
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: I think it's for anybody. It's a serious matter. When

607
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: you have the diarrhea is very serious. Like she acted

608
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: like it was more serious for her if she had it.

609
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: It's a different situation. She needs to run to the bathroom,

610
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: which we understand, and you know you're gonna be late,

611
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: which we understand. Like I feel like diarrhea Trump's time

612
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: being on time. I feel like a Trump's the runs

613
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: Trump most things. It just feels serious for everybody. But

614
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's always the perfect excuse because you could

615
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: be upset that somebody's late. But if they say that,

616
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: you don't want to know anymore. It's so true. It's

617
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: better than COVID or pregnancy. The runs are really a

618
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: good excuse, and we don't and because it's degrading yourself

619
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: that you have to get to that point where you

620
00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: say it. See even Jerry spring it as want to

621
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: talk about the runs, right. So anyway, I thought that that,

622
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: and they went into it multiple times. And the tummy,

623
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anyone talk. You can't how's your tummy?

624
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: Walking into the christening? And now everyone's dressed in nice

625
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: clothing and be thinking I hope it's good. It just

626
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: felt like a lot of information. Yeah, I I agree,

627
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: But you know that's Jersey um because in the the

628
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: Gorga Houses over here saying with the christening that like

629
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: Teresa is not on time, and they're saying family comes first,

630
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: they missed part of the christening and family comes first.

631
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: In my house, the runs come first and faster. So

632
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: I feel like that's trumping the christening. And I'm just

633
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to say, I'm gonna believe that they were

634
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: telling the truth. I didn't. And and this is just

635
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: because I hadn't watched the show, so it wasn't clear

636
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: to me exactly. Even though they mentioned it once in

637
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: a while, I wasn't feeling why these people were so

638
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: angry at each other. It seemed, yes, yeah, you would

639
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: think on christening, you know, that is a family thing.

640
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: But people think family is important, you know, in other ways,

641
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: when they were sitting at the table, why did the

642
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: brother is the brother joey or Joe? It's Joe Gorga,

643
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: Joe giu dis Joe, j do you diys? Is juicy?

644
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: Joe Teresa's husband who has the runs, which he'll will

645
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: know would be vetted in history. And Joe Gorga is

646
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: Melissa the new housewive. Okay that Joe, uh, that wasn't

647
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: the place. Probably if I was his best friend and

648
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: Melissa tried to calm and down. Don't start up if

649
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: she comes over, if your sister comes over and says

650
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: congratulations again, even if she said it before. Don't start

651
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: a fight about who's on time, who's not on time.

652
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: You want to have a lovely event for something that

653
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: has significance in the family and they're going to remember

654
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives. Just don't and he

655
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: just says, go away, go away, using their language or whatever.

656
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't you know. It just seemed why are you

657
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: picking this fight? Because he made the other Joe, Joe

658
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: who's married to Teresa, seemed like a reasonable guy. It's

659
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: funny you say that. Okay, so it's funny, but that's

660
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: because I don't know any of the backstory. Okay, it's funny.

661
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: There's you don't know a backstory or story that comes later.

662
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: But like Joe ju Dice later ends up, it's seemingly

663
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: having an affair, and he's like a nappa on a

664
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: cell phone, referring to Teresa as a C. She's a

665
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: C because he has realize he's not a hot mike.

666
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: But there's some part of him that seems like he's

667
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: just not thirsty for the fame, Like he's just in

668
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: the background, just like she's doing this. So he did

669
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: it too. He doesn't seem like he's on the forefront

670
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: as a character in the show and doesn't give a ship.

671
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: And there's something about that that I actually that gives

672
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: me a quarter of him that I can tolerate because

673
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: he doesn't give a ship and I respect that part, right,

674
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: So he's not trying to be a star. He doesn't

675
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: want to. And it seems to me that if Teresa,

676
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: so you're in Jersey, you know, everyone's probably struggling with money.

677
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: Everyone I've ever seen on the housel just doesn't have

678
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: the money they say everyone every without exception, they don't

679
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: have the money they say they do. So let's say

680
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: that you know, Teresa and Joe are on the show,

681
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: and down the street Joe Gorga who's charismatic and his

682
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: wife wants to be a pop star, which is the case.

683
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: You know, we're watching the fame over there, and now

684
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: it's the third season and it's their time. In the background,

685
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: Joe j Dice is chummy with Teresa's father and hangs

686
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: out with him. Because Joe Gorgon is always working, he

687
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: clearly doesn't work as much, and so there's a jealousy

688
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: there in the family. That's bubbling. That's bubbling, and I

689
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: think Teresa becoming famous quickly on the show is bubbling.

690
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: So now Melissa's coming on. Theresa didn't want that to happen.

691
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: And here we are, and based on what you don't

692
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: know going on currently in two, Joe gorgo was just

693
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: at this Bravo conference on stage, waxing poetic, he loves

694
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: the stage, he loves being a star, slapping Andy Cohen's

695
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: ass um you know, he threw a drink, I think

696
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: on someone. He came into play to be a house husband.

697
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: So it seems like he did want drama at that

698
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: christening because he did invite Theresa. Whether the producers prodeed

699
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: him or not, but he came to play at that

700
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: christening and loves that there was a throat and that's

701
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: what I'm getting. Yeah, okay, that's what I'm Yeah. You

702
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: know that it makes sense what you're saying now, because

703
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: that if you had never seen the show before, he

704
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: looks like the bad guy now, then you start to

705
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 1: feel a little bit that he feels bad because he's

706
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: losing his relationship with his dad. But if that's the case,

707
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: and he's had two open heart surgeries, why are you

708
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: fighting He could have had a heart attack right there

709
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: that it would seem to me that television aside. If

710
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: this is total really true, if his dad really had

711
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: the open heart surgeries, if that really and that they

712
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: said he's all white and he looks what in the world,

713
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: nothing then becomes more important than everyone settled down, given space,

714
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: let's all behave we gotta get you know, my dad

715
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: doesn't need this. It's so true because well, what's funny

716
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: is they called the episode in the name of the father,

717
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: but they should have called it family comes first, because

718
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Gorga is the one who said family in in my house,

719
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: family or in the Gorges whatever, family comes first. You're

720
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: not only not caring about the elderly who's now passed away,

721
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: the father who's dead, and the daughter who's crying. Family

722
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: does not come first. Actually, I know it was all

723
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: much of stuff, totally true. Family does not come first

724
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: because you would never act like that. And the truth is,

725
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: oh the way he spoke to Teresa too. She walked

726
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: over to the table. Even if she's full of ship,

727
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: well she has full because she's got diary. But even

728
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: she's full of ship walking over. Everybody hates everybody and everything.

729
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: You go to parties, you gotta say oh, and then

730
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: they walk away and you say, I don't like that guy.

731
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: You play the game. You're at a christening. Hi, nice

732
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: to see you, you look nice, Thank you. You play

733
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: the game. She walks up and he's like, get a

734
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: walk away, Get the hell away from me like he

735
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: was nesty. That's what That's what came acrost. That's that

736
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: was the first thing I noticed in the show, because

737
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: well it was early in the show when they first

738
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: showed that clip. Hostile, yes, and that how stility provoked

739
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: and she really didn't do much. She was an outside.

740
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: Another thing we didn't talk about. You You were a

741
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: host on your show. No matter how bad somebody was

742
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: to you, You're still the host there in your house.

743
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: Didn't you feel that way? Yeah? But yes, oh yeah,

744
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: well I just you know, I'm sure I have many weaknesses,

745
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: but I don't have a temper and I don't curse.

746
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: So but even disrespectfully, they walk into your house. This

747
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: is the Gorgon's event they're hosting. They invited Teresa. She

748
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: walks and think about the way they acted and ostracized

749
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: their guests. Yeah, well no I would when they come

750
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: onto this, When these people came onto the show them,

751
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: I liked just a person because they didn't have everything

752
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: I had in life, you know what I mean. They

753
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: weren't lucky. They didn't maybe they didn't have luck in

754
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: the gene pool of parents, you know. It just they

755
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: didn't have the education whatever, so there but for the

756
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: grace of God go on. So I never thought I

757
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: was better than anyone who was ever on the show.

758
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: So therefore I never got angry even if they started

759
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: cursing it. They were it was each other. You weren't

760
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: the conflict. But if they're coming on the show, they

761
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: don't hate me. Otherwise why would they come on the show? No,

762
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: I just mean. I just mean. If you're having a

763
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: party at your house with your wife and someone does

764
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: something really that you don't like, you their guests in

765
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: your home and you have to act differently. Is to say,

766
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: your guests and someone else's home, you have to act

767
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: a certain way, and when you have a guest in

768
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: your home to act a certain way. And they invited

769
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: her and were nasty to Theresa. In my opinion, like

770
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: people behave they really do. I'm not saying they don't

771
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: have moments. But when you meet someone, you say, how

772
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: do you do? Right? You know? You you behave a

773
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: certain way. When you go to your church, you behave

774
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: at certain way. When you're around strangers you haven't met yet,

775
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: you're in someone's house, as you said, you behave. You

776
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: don't knock over things, You don't. It's just normal polite behavior.

777
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: Most people are polite, right, And what's funny is I

778
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: might be I'm more conservative than people think I am

779
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: because of the way that I speak and because, you know,

780
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: because I curse or I'm outspoken. I remember going to

781
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: I think it was about Mitzvah, and there were people

782
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: smoking pot, like outside in the back, now, you know,

783
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: And I thought that was so disrespectful, like I'm so naive,

784
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: and I heard that at my wedding people were smoking pot,

785
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: and I don't know why I thought that was dispectful.

786
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: It's also double standard because pot and alcohol in many ways,

787
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: and many people think alcohol is worse than pot. But

788
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't know why I thought that was disrespectful. But shots,

789
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: doing shots that are christening for some reason, just have

790
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: a drink, have a glass of wine, have a vodka.

791
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: Doing shots seems very juvenile and christening. It just seems

792
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: like are you in college? Yeah? Do you you know

793
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: they're all, let's do a shot, like what? Yeah? I

794
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: think if you're going to something that is basically Look,

795
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: it's not for me to say what people do at christenings,

796
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: but if it's a religious that's what I'm saying, Yeah,

797
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: you behave differently than you do when you're act with

798
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: your friends on a Friday night in a nightclub. That's

799
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't think you're doing like you know,

800
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: funnels at about Mitzvah. It's a Jewish event, That's what

801
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm saying what you're saying. I'm saying,

802
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: you do shots later on at the nightclub after the christening.

803
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: It's the afternoon. Um. Also, I may be wrong. I've

804
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: been to christenings. Um, why was everybody wearing like bridesmaid stresses?

805
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: Did you notice that that the women that were getting

806
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: there in the room, the sisters and you don't know? Yeah, well,

807
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: because I don't know what you normally would wear. My

808
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: assistant has pat a christening i've never heard of, like

809
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: I thought in the best because it was on television.

810
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: They know they're on television and they want to look.

811
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to show off my daughter. My daughter's gonna

812
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: look better than their daughter, right, But no, the grown

813
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: sisters of that we're in the bathroom talking about the

814
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: glam wearing like matching dresses. Yeah, I didn't know. Maybe

815
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: you're supposed to, but I didn't know it was bizarre.

816
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: Um okay, So ultimately, what who saw are you on? Oh?

817
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: Whose side am I on? Yeah? Well, in the show,

818
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: I ah, I was liking every one of them, and

819
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: I really felt like I understood their character. The only

820
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: thing I didn't understand, So I wasn't sitting there to

821
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: be judgmental. Yeah, the only thing I didn't understand. And

822
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: I told myself that that's because I don't know the

823
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: background story. But I thought Melissa's Joe or you know,

824
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Joe Gorga, that he could have He's the one that

825
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: raised the temperature in the place that no one else

826
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: was coming in ready to fight. They could have been

827
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, they could have been hiding their true feelings

828
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the only one who walked in there saying,

829
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, just don't step on my toes the wrong

830
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, just don't give me an excuse, give me

831
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: an excuse, because I'm ready to fight. I don't think

832
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: anyone else went there, you know, unless that's what the

833
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: producers wanted. No, no, no, no, I can't. So there

834
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: was no one. Uh I could really relate to Caroline, Uh,

835
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, kids leaving home. I understood that I as

836
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: I said, I really understood the conversation Jacqueline and Chris

837
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: were having with Ashley Um with their daughter. So I

838
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: think they all nothing shocked me in terms of, you know,

839
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: you'd like to think that way a second. What are

840
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: we really fighting about? What are we arguing? But I

841
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: do understand, perhaps when you're now telling me that the

842
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: back story was that Teresa was unhappy with Melissa suddenly

843
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: coming on the show and you know, stealing some of

844
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: the totally. And it still goes on today. They still

845
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: all these years later. That was years ago, all these

846
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: years later. Teresa just got remarried and Melissa did not.

847
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: I don't think she went to her wedding, and I don't.

848
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: There's a competition that runs deep and it still stems

849
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: from that and probably other things, but it definitely stems

850
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: from that. Um. Caroline left the show, and I actually

851
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: want to talk to her about something in television. She

852
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: left the show. I know the Bravo would always love

853
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: her to come back in some capacity, and she would

854
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: like to come back in some capacity, but she left

855
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: the show, and it's sort of like a den mother.

856
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: Jacqueline I believe was let go. And I actually think

857
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: Jacqueline is a decent ho house. There has to be

858
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: some cock in between the tiles, like, there's gotta be

859
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: some filler. I don't think she jumps off the page

860
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: and is the most mercurial housewife. There have to be

861
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: some temperature reducing housewives mixed in. Kathy also was let

862
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: go and I liked her husband, the Lebanese guy, Richie.

863
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: They came on my talk show, so I've always sort

864
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: of liked them for some reason. I don't know why. Um,

865
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: But that again, I don't think there's any room for filler.

866
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: It's like they want all people that really bring things

867
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: to the table. So it's the current state of housewives.

868
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: There aren't a lot of filler. And when you're on

869
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: the Housewives, you don't want filler yourself too. You like,

870
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: get out of the way, filler person, because I want

871
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: to go where the meat is. And we got to

872
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: get these ratings up. So maybe I'm contradicting myself based

873
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: on but but as a viewer, you need some people

874
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: that aren't always gonna be at a tent. Yeah, yeah,

875
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: otherwise the tent doesn't seem like a ten anymore. So

876
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: what was this Christening fight? A six? Five. No, that

877
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: was I'd say six or seven could have gotten to

878
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: a nine. If not, well, obviously there was no No

879
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: one was taking furniture and smashing ahead or something like that.

880
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: Well Teresa did flip a table at one point, but yes,

881
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: not in that episode. Yeah, okay, seven is all the seven.

882
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: But but the thing which you know, the dead that

883
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: was going on, that's the first thing that struck me.

884
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: When they started the fight, someone says that's his father

885
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: because you couldn't see who was in the fight. And

886
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking, oh my god, oh that part I

887
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: forgot right. And then at the end it seems like

888
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: the father is very disappointed. It's not very often that

889
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: a father is taken a side of the son and

890
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: law versus the son. That's like, that's pretty yeah, and

891
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: that that got Joe. That probably is the thing that

892
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: hits them more than the Then what's going on with Teresa,

893
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: And if I think about their current arguments, there's no

894
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: the parents. I think the mothers passed. I don't know,

895
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: but the father is dead, so there's nobody to keep

896
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: anybody in check, meaning they could fight as much as

897
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: they want now because they don't have to worry about

898
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: what the father thinks, so he's approval or anything like that.

899
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: It sounds like you relate to Caroline the most and

900
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: the whole episode. We had to be one character who

901
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: would be oh gosh, I don't know. I mean, it's

902
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: hard for me to relate to Caroline, probably in terms of,

903
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm seventy eight years old, so Caroline was

904
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: the only one who was win thirty years of my well, okay,

905
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: and you know, so it's uh, but they they all

906
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: of them had what I consider electric personalities. I mean

907
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: they all you noticed everyone, but man, I don't mean

908
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: just because they're all good looking. They had something going

909
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: on there. Chari okay, exactly when they walked, when they

910
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: came on the scene, they were noticeable. Did the cast

911
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: state did a good job? That's nice. I'm gonna that's nice.

912
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: That's they'll probably love to hear that. And who um, Well,

913
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: then the only two more questions, what's the rose and thorn?

914
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: What was the best part of the I don't know,

915
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: the best could be something bad that you didn't like,

916
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: but the best part of the episode and the worst, well,

917
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: the runs was the worst. Okay, I mean, just I know,

918
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 1: we don't need it. Uh. Well, the most exciting part

919
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: obviously was the fighting part. That's okay, yeah, the fight

920
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: and the runs, But the ones where I was invested

921
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: in was the parents talking to the door to Ashley.

922
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: So I thought Jacqueline was excellent in that um episode.

923
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: And uh and yeah, I think there was no bad

924
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: party in all every you know, maybe because I was

925
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: so concentrating because I knew I would have to be tested.

926
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: I'd be tested, So I really, as I said, I

927
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: drew diagrams I got up. Please keep those. Just don't

928
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: throw those away. I may want those at some point

929
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: for something. I don't know why, but I think Jerry

930
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: Springers diagrams on the Housewives seems like something that I

931
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: will want. Yeah, I'd like, well, I'd like to frame

932
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: them if it's if it's all the same to you.

933
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: So my producer is going to get those because I

934
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: just feel like Jerry Springs. These are Jerry Springers diagrams

935
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: on the Housewives. I mean exactly, thank you I have, Yeah,

936
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: I thank you. I need those. Um, yeah, it's funny,

937
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: you're reminded me. I like Jacqueline, I like John as

938
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: as a cousewife. And then I guess the last thing,

939
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: which I think we know, but you could crystallize it.

940
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: What's the what's the takeaway of the So what's the

941
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: life lesson? The family should come first? Well, it's you

942
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: start out with you have the deepest connection to the family.

943
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: Uh and they're the family is there when you're born,

944
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: when you're you know, a young child, the impressionable years,

945
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: so the family never leaves. But as we grow up,

946
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: then we marry someone, we have an extended family, we

947
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: have relationships with people we work with. UHH. So your

948
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: life becomes more complicated. All you have to do is

949
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: look at how you spend your Thanksgivings over the years.

950
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: You know, first you always at quote home with mom,

951
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, well now every other

952
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: year you're the other family, and then that becomes your family.

953
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: And then your kids they live in another city, then

954
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: you're going there. So the family is tossed around a lot. Yes,

955
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: it has many, many parts to it. Yes, Jerry, I

956
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: love that. That's so prophetic. So you can't just say

957
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: family comes first, because what is the family anymore? Mom

958
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: and dad? What happens when mom and dad aren't around anymore?

959
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: Now you have children, you know, and when your minds

960
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: your grandkids. So then you you know, the family just

961
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: keeps growing and growing and growing. It's very it's a

962
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: very large family. It's a very very interesting thing you

963
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: bring up because you've been married for you said forty

964
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: seven years, right, forty nine years. So your wife in

965
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: the in the first five years was your family, but

966
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: not totally your family and made it could have gone sideways,

967
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: and I'm sure almost did, like every other uple a

968
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: million times. But your wife really became your like real

969
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: like blood family. But that evolves and and then and

970
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: I bet after all those years, your wife's family became

971
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: your family. That's a very it's true. Like my fiance

972
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: and I've been together four years. My relationship with his

973
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: mother is different than it was before. I'll just call

974
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: her on my own all the time and just say

975
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: something or complain or complain about him. My daughter loves

976
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: his mother and wants to see her as her family.

977
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: And my daughter loves my fiance more than anyone, like

978
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: lives for him. So that you know, it's interesting what

979
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: you say. Yeah, that's true. So and everybody can't always

980
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: just get along, and so I guess, and Teresa now

981
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: has a new husband, and that's now her her family

982
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: with her kids, and Joe's family is is Melissa that

983
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: and their parents are that. That's a great But I

984
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: know it sounds like a simple point. I'm glad I

985
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: asked that question because I almost didn't because we had

986
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: talked about it so much. But it was the best

987
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: My favorite part of talking to you. I just don't

988
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: think of it that way. The only shifting. Usually the

989
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: favorite part of talking to me is the end. That's

990
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: that's what they say at parties, and Jerry's about to

991
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: leave the best time ever. Like when people come up

992
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: and they talk about my show, they say to me,

993
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: I loved your final four because was the show was over.

994
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: That's very that's very Jewish thing to say. That's amazing. Well,

995
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: tell your wife thank you for letting me borrow you

996
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: and you watch in the Housewives. That's why I really

997
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: love the show, Jerry, because it's so ridiculous, Like why

998
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: are Jerry Springer and I talking about Joe Gorgon? Like

999
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: why it makes no sense? But it makes all the

1000
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: sense of the world because you gave me such an amazing,

1001
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: poetic answer. And I'm sure if I met Joe I

1002
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: would just hey, guy, how are you doing. I grew

1003
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: up with a lot of Joe. I bet you might

1004
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: maybe because the show, you'll meet Joe Gorgon like he

1005
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: could hurt me. He also is very sweet. I've met him.

1006
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: He's very nice and very gentle. He could hurt you.

1007
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: He's very sensitive. This is his first foray ever onto television.

1008
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: He wanted to come in hot and he did. And

1009
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: I don't watch that much either. I don't watch that much,

1010
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: so I'm watching new with you. Um, thank you so much.

1011
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: I want to meet you. I really do. Tell your

1012
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: wife I said hello, love to your family, and thank

1013
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: you for doing that. Thank you, Thank you so much

1014
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,680
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1015
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,280
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1017
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