Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Right with Me? Great episode three oh six,
Speaker 1: A ton to do today? Demand in Los Angeles, me
Speaker 1: here in New York. By the way, for people watching
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Speaker 1: bit more. You also might in the background, see like,
Speaker 1: are those a couple of microphones far in the distance?
Speaker 1: They are? That's for the podcast we're developing. That'll be
Speaker 1: me and a different member of the family when in
Speaker 1: studio here, and by studio I mean Demand's old bedroom
Speaker 1: so and so, which is our new podcast studio. So
Speaker 1: that'll be so that'll be coming in short order. We
Speaker 1: have the setup for that here. Demanse, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great this morning. How you doing, Pops?
Speaker 1: You sound great? Wow? Yeah, I don't know what's change
Speaker 1: with your microphone or maybe in a late stage final puberty.
Speaker 1: You sound like even deeper points than usual. But you said,
Speaker 1: I'm bro Let's get right to it. So here's what
Speaker 1: missed the cut. The Cavs clinched the playoffs last night.
Speaker 1: That missed the cut Max Crosby getting thirty five and
Speaker 1: a half million dollars per year that missed the cut,
Speaker 1: and James Harden with his first fifty point game as
Speaker 1: a Clipper. Also, it's now I think the third time
Speaker 1: in his career he has had a game with fifteen
Speaker 1: points on twos, fifteen points on threes, fifteen points on
Speaker 1: three throws, and a few other you know, random stats
Speaker 1: where he's the only guy to ever do that. I
Speaker 1: was going to start the show on around the Horn,
Speaker 1: and we are gonna get to around the Horn in
Speaker 1: just a moment. But first I just a little a
Speaker 1: little point of order, because I did notice yesterday that
Speaker 1: there have been some folks friends of mine that, you know,
Speaker 1: bowing out is one way to put it, Waving the
Speaker 1: white flag is another way to put it. Who are like,
Speaker 1: you know what this Jordan Lebron debate, let's retire it.
Speaker 1: And usually, in my experience, people that are that have
Speaker 1: been very ardent and adamant about something for years and
Speaker 1: years and years and they just seemingly out of the
Speaker 1: blue be like, I don't want to argue about this anymore.
Speaker 1: Usually it means they have a lose they know they
Speaker 1: have a losing hand. Very rarely are people right when
Speaker 1: they're about to win an argument, be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's just shake hands and move on. So that's fine.
Speaker 1: I've always said history is gonna look fondly on the
Speaker 1: correct side of the argument, which is mine. But the
Speaker 1: point of order that I must address, which is even
Speaker 1: the folks who argue that Lebron is the goat, far
Speaker 1: too many of them say and Jordan had the higher peak,
Speaker 1: just like as a given. But and then they do
Speaker 1: a whole thing, but the you know, Lebron's longevity in
Speaker 1: this and that, and the third we did a whole
Speaker 1: show on this once before, so we don't have to
Speaker 1: do a whole show where he kind of broke it
Speaker 1: down different slices. But I just want to remind the
Speaker 1: audience in America the single greatest season of professional basketball
Speaker 1: ever played by any player was the twenty twelve twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen Lebron James Miami Heat season. No player has ever
Speaker 1: reached a higher peak than the following one vote for
Speaker 1: being unanimous MVP when no one had ever been unanimous
Speaker 1: MVP runner up and Defensive Player of the Year when
Speaker 1: the guy who beat him in Defensive Player of the
Speaker 1: Year wasn't even first team All defense, shooting fifty seven
Speaker 1: percent from the floor and forty percent from three, a
Speaker 1: twenty seven game winning streak. It's all culminating in a
Speaker 1: Game seven of the Finals, where he hit the game
Speaker 1: clinching jump shot for thirty seven and twelve against a
Speaker 1: team with four future first Ballot Hall of Famers. That
Speaker 1: season is the greatest single season start to finish any
Speaker 1: players ever had. So it's not just the longevity side
Speaker 1: of it, it's the peak side of it as well.
Speaker 1: Now we can move on to the actual show. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: all right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, after twenty three years and over forty nine
Speaker 3: hundred episodes Around the Horn espns, Around the Horn has
Speaker 3: coming to a halt May twenty third, what are your
Speaker 3: thoughts on it ending and what did the show mean
Speaker 3: to you?
Speaker 1: All right? So I can't speak to why it's ending.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really make sense to me. But I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I can't look at their books.
Speaker 1: I don't know what their plans are. They can do
Speaker 1: whatever whatever they want. I do want to say, as
Speaker 1: someone who has not ever been bashful about criticizing either
Speaker 1: shows or personalities or opinions, really more opinions than people
Speaker 1: that I disagree with that. I do not think it
Speaker 1: is an exaggeration to say for me personally, Around the
Speaker 1: Horn was the single most important sports show that ever existed.
Speaker 1: And for me personally, I know I wouldn't be doing
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now on television if not for Around
Speaker 1: the Horn. For I'm forty years old. For people my generation,
Speaker 1: the combo in our teen years of PTI coming on
Speaker 1: the air, and then Around the Horn coming on after
Speaker 1: being our for so many of us, the first shows
Speaker 1: we ever DVRD being daily after school viewing, and then
Speaker 1: Around the Horn for those of us who were getting
Speaker 1: into the business being seemingly an attainable goal of like, man,
Speaker 1: one day I'm going to be on Around the Horn
Speaker 1: and having that be a carrot of if I work
Speaker 1: hard enough, if I can make myself a name within
Speaker 1: my city big enough, man, maybe just maybe I can
Speaker 1: get on Around the Horn. And it was a show
Speaker 1: for writers, initially exclusively, and then it expanded a bit,
Speaker 1: and then I saw Bomani Jones on there, and I
Speaker 1: understand BALMANI was a writer as well as other things,
Speaker 1: but I didn't view Bimani as a writer. I viewed
Speaker 1: Bomani as a radio host. He hosted The Morning Jones
Speaker 1: on Sirius XM, and that's before Bamani was one of
Speaker 1: my dearest friends in the world. He was a guy
Speaker 1: who I knew of his radio show, I knew of
Speaker 1: his Twitter presence, and I knew of him on Around
Speaker 1: the Horn. And once Bomani got on Around the Horn,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna I I need to get
Speaker 1: on that show. I'm going to work to get on
Speaker 1: that show. And in Houston, I kind of talked my
Speaker 1: way into a It wasn't even a part time job,
Speaker 1: just an occasional appearance gig on Comcast Sports at Houston.
Speaker 1: And the reason I did it was to create a
Speaker 1: television reel to try to get on Around the Horn.
Speaker 1: And that shows ability to give people reps on TV,
Speaker 1: opportunities to do TV and what it has done for
Speaker 1: people in our industry's careers is unlike any other show
Speaker 1: that I think has ever existed. And the fact that
Speaker 1: along the way post Max Kell and I have so
Speaker 1: many I will I'm gonna spend real time on this.
Speaker 1: My connections to Around the Horn without ever being on
Speaker 1: it is It's remarkable when I look back and think
Speaker 1: on it, so I'll tell those stories in a moment,
Speaker 1: but post Max Kellerman, who did a great job with it,
Speaker 1: and then Reality takes it over, and Tony Reality, who
Speaker 1: at one day I'll meet him, but I've never met him.
Speaker 1: Tony Reality's ability from when he was a kid taking
Speaker 1: over that show and kind of being the conscience of
Speaker 1: that show and the through line of the show is
Speaker 1: one of the most impressive broadcasting feats in our industry ever.
Speaker 1: And I Reality would tweet out texts he would send
Speaker 1: people saying like, you know that it was gonna be
Speaker 1: their first time, you know you're gonna invite someone on
Speaker 1: a show, first time on the show, and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And there was a period of time where I thought
Speaker 1: I might be getting an invite this nine years ago,
Speaker 1: and Reality tweeted getting ready to inte something. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: misquote it a bit, but you know, getting ready to
Speaker 1: send out an invite to someone who's never been on
Speaker 1: a show, and then described the person, and I convinced
Speaker 1: myself it was me he was talking about, and I
Speaker 1: was just waiting. I remember I was in an airport
Speaker 1: and I was so nervous. I'm like, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: on the plane and I might not get the text.
Speaker 1: And then I got on the plane, no service, get
Speaker 1: off the plane, turn my phone back on. Don't have
Speaker 1: the text, and I checked and see it was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, it wasn't me. And I just it was
Speaker 1: such a goal and a valuable thing. And I'm sad
Speaker 1: it's gonna be gone. And when I say my connections
Speaker 1: to it, demanse, the through lines of this are truly
Speaker 1: gonna blow your mind. Okay, so I already mentioned Kellerman
Speaker 1: was the original host. Kellerman I interned at ESPN Radio
Speaker 1: twenty years ago in New York. ESPN Radio, New York,
Speaker 1: and Kellerman was one of the guys I interned for.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't a real connection. I mean, I knew
Speaker 1: him and he was super nice to me, but that
Speaker 1: wasn't the connection. The connection is the following. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: thirteen years ago. I set up a meeting. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to New York. I'm doing radio in Houston. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fly to New York and I'm gonna meet with
Speaker 1: two people. One is Eric Rideholme, who created Around the Horn,
Speaker 1: and the other is Jamie Horowitz, who was a big
Speaker 1: wig at ESPN kind of on the TV show side
Speaker 1: first take. He then ended up being well, I'll get
Speaker 1: to the Jamie piece of it in a minute, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go meet with those people and sell them on.
Speaker 1: Let me have a shot on this show. Let me
Speaker 1: have a shot on Around the Horn. And I fly
Speaker 1: into New York on my own dime. And when I land,
Speaker 1: I check my email and my meeting with Jamie has
Speaker 1: been canceled because he got called into Bristol. And I
Speaker 1: now have a meeting with someone else who I don't
Speaker 1: really know who he is, but when I see the name,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I recognize this name. I've heard this
Speaker 1: guy on Bill Simmons podcast and he's a different executive
Speaker 1: at ESPN, And so I have about I have a
Speaker 1: night before that. I flew in it like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Tuesday night. The meetings are Wednesday morning. I'm gonna meet
Speaker 1: in with this meet with this guy who's not Jamie,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna meet with ride home and I
Speaker 1: prep and I listen to all these podcasts that this
Speaker 1: guy's been on and I walk into his office and
Speaker 1: I pitch and I know his story and the guy
Speaker 1: at the end of it of my Pitch is like
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I mean that's that's interesting, but you know,
Speaker 1: like I have nothing to do with that show, right,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, that person was Kevin Wilds. That's
Speaker 1: a true story. I then I'm like, well, this meeting
Speaker 1: went just terribly, Like this guy thinks I'm a fool
Speaker 1: and I'm wasting his time and he's he's working on
Speaker 1: the Olberman show. Like that went terribly. I didn't meet
Speaker 1: with ride Home, who is one of the kindest, most
Speaker 1: brilliant people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing in
Speaker 1: the kind of dining area of the Whole Foods in
Speaker 1: Columbus Circle. And I I'm going to see if I
Speaker 1: can pull this up the email bring manilla envelopes, So
Speaker 1: this one I did not, So I have the I
Speaker 1: didn't do theanilla envelope thing. But let me see the
Speaker 1: I want to spell his name right in the email.
Speaker 1: See if I can find the email. But I see,
Speaker 1: so I can get the exact date. So the first date, Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is we met in November of thirteen. In
Speaker 1: November of thirteen is when we met, and when I
Speaker 1: went to New York, and so this is twelve years ago,
Speaker 1: like I thought. And so the meeting went really well
Speaker 1: with ride home, but he was like, listen, we do
Speaker 1: have you know, you're not a writer essentially, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't the door is not closed to you. So I
Speaker 1: kind of pitched him my pitch to ride home if
Speaker 1: I remember, In fact, I'll just tell you, guys, I
Speaker 1: do remember. I don't want to act like I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I do remember. My pitch to ride home was
Speaker 1: this they had at that point on around the Horn
Speaker 1: kind of old journalists and then the new wave young
Speaker 1: journalists who they brought on. And the old journalists were
Speaker 1: almost all white guys and all and the vast majority
Speaker 1: of the new way the newer guys they had brought
Speaker 1: on were minorities and women, and so I what I
Speaker 1: said to him was, I was like, what, as an
Speaker 1: audience member, very often you are having disagreements that I
Speaker 1: think break down on generational levels, but appear to be
Speaker 1: breaking down on either racial or gender angles. Because all
Speaker 1: the old guys are white males, and almost all the
Speaker 1: young people are, you know, either women or non white guys.
Speaker 1: I was like, so you you Basically my pitch was
Speaker 1: you need an older black panelist and a younger white
Speaker 1: panelist to see like, wait, is this a generational disagreement
Speaker 1: or a cultural racial whatever it was? And he was perceptive,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't a writer. And so that was in thirteen.
Speaker 1: Fast forward to a couple years later, Jamie gets hired
Speaker 1: from ESPN and some other places to run FS one
Speaker 1: and I called in the chit of he had canceled
Speaker 1: that meeting on me to get a meeting with him
Speaker 1: that was actually supposed to be about Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1: That's a whole nother, longer, more convoluted story, doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: And I ended up getting it because the around the
Speaker 1: because he had canceled on me before. He then connected
Speaker 1: me to a guy named Charlie Dixon, who I ended
Speaker 1: up hitting it off with, and then they those two
Speaker 1: guys hired me for FS one, and to this date,
Speaker 1: Charlie's my boss. In the midst of all of it.
Speaker 1: In the midst of all of that, right before I
Speaker 1: agreed to a deal with Fox, ESPN came back to me.
Speaker 1: This is in twenty sixteen. January twenty sixteen, ESPN came
Speaker 1: back to me and offered me a job doing radio
Speaker 1: in LA and weekly Around the Horn appearances and the
Speaker 1: moment they offered me that, I was like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: taking that job I want. I'm a radio guy and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to be on Around the Horn. And
Speaker 1: then Charlie, to his credit, called me and in a
Speaker 1: thirty minute conversation sold me on why I should come
Speaker 1: to Fox, and it ended up being the best decision
Speaker 1: I ever made. I wouldn't have had this trajectory or whatever.
Speaker 1: And my only like wistfulness of it was, man, if
Speaker 1: I do this, I'll probably never get to be on
Speaker 1: around the Horn. And now you know, now officially I won't.
Speaker 1: And that's fine. I have there's no no regrets. But
Speaker 1: that show meant a lot to me. So I know, listen,
Speaker 1: that's twenty minutes of today's show. I don't know how
Speaker 1: much the audience cares. I hope they care. I care,
Speaker 1: and just shout out to the people who made that
Speaker 1: show to ride Home and Solomon and Reality and Reality
Speaker 1: Pardon Me and the countless panelists and all of it.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, the question was what does it mean
Speaker 2: to you? I think you did a good job at
Speaker 2: makes sense?
Speaker 1: I mean, no, I know, I certainly a The question
Speaker 1: that my question was, does the audience give a shit
Speaker 1: about my answer to the question I have to do.
Speaker 1: But uh but yeah, so there it is, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do uh the actual sports stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got Knicks Lakers tonight, Lakers. They are
Speaker 3: seventeen and three over their last twenty. Cat missed the
Speaker 3: last game they lost to Golden State, but he should
Speaker 3: be back, which is gonna be good for them. They're
Speaker 3: zero to eight against Boston, Cleveland, Oklahoma City and the Lakers,
Speaker 3: so tonight with Kat should be a good test for them.
Speaker 3: You said that they're going in the wrong direction though,
Speaker 3: What's what's going on?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't think. I don't think the Knicks
Speaker 1: can beat the best teams in basketball. And they were
Speaker 1: they were built in a way where they're supposed to
Speaker 1: be able to beat the best teams in basketball. That's
Speaker 1: the problem. You don't go you don't go out and
Speaker 1: spend this type of money on trade for Karl Anthony
Speaker 1: Towns not the money thing, and trade for McHale Bridges
Speaker 1: to be in the same spot the Knicks are supposed
Speaker 1: to be having this season, the Cabs are having, maybe
Speaker 1: not the gaudy record, but like, oh man, they really
Speaker 1: might be able to beat the selfish Yes, exactly right,
Speaker 1: and instead they just get their teeth kicked in by
Speaker 1: good teams. Now, it is usually in moments like this
Speaker 1: that you get you know, the league zags a bit,
Speaker 1: where this is the when everyone is super high on
Speaker 1: the Lakers right now and way low on the Knicks
Speaker 1: against good teams, the type of game you're not that
Speaker 1: shocked if the Knicks win tonight, and I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: that shocked if the Knicks win tonight the Lakers and
Speaker 1: will get more on the Lakers in a minute. The
Speaker 1: Lakers can't stay this hot. I mean they're on. I
Speaker 1: mean they're on a seventy win pace for the last
Speaker 1: quarter of the season. I mean that's well. I think
Speaker 1: that their defense can be really good. They have the
Speaker 1: number one Let me rephrase that. I think their defense
Speaker 1: can be good. Their defense during this stretch has been great.
Speaker 1: I think that is probably Yeah. I think that water
Speaker 1: will find its level a bit there. But I just
Speaker 1: don't to me, there are six teams that can win
Speaker 1: the title demonse six and this is not in the order,
Speaker 1: but in the East Boston, Cleveland, Milwaukee, and in the West,
Speaker 1: the Lakers, the thun and Denver and to it is
Speaker 1: you put those teams into two separate buckets, Boston Cleveland. Oksee,
Speaker 1: you put in the outstanding rosters eight deep. You know,
Speaker 1: like that are going to be able to play a
Speaker 1: bunch of different ways, in a bunch of different you
Speaker 1: know it, styles, all of it. And then Lakers, Bucks
Speaker 1: Nuggets you put in the star driven Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you're probably just gonna have the best player on
Speaker 1: the floor. And it was you know for what, Jokic,
Speaker 1: It's it's you have this transcendent superstar and then an
Speaker 1: awesome number two. So the reason Milwaukee is back in
Speaker 1: that group is Dame is playing like an awesome number
Speaker 1: or two. The reason Denver is back in that group
Speaker 1: is Jamal Murray now that he's in shape, is playing
Speaker 1: like an awesome number two. And the reason the Lakers
Speaker 1: are back in that group is because man, oh Man
Speaker 1: Luke is a hell of a number two. I'm kidding, no,
Speaker 1: yeah no, Because now that the Lakers are in a
Speaker 1: position where Lebron in a playoff series can be their
Speaker 1: second best player, they're they're wildly dangerous, wildly dangerous, and
Speaker 1: I am in shout out to Sam Amic for writing
Speaker 1: an article owning it. I'm really curious what Barkley's gonna
Speaker 1: say tonight. I am shocked that there were a lot
Speaker 1: of folks who thought Lebron wouldn't be able to instantly
Speaker 1: adjust how he plays. The idea like, this is what
Speaker 1: I want to say about Lebron, and then Demon's say,
Speaker 1: I do want to do? We skipped it. But the
Speaker 1: Steph and the Goat conversation. The there the amount of
Speaker 1: people who act like Lebron plays for lack of a
Speaker 1: better term, a selfish style of basketball in the face
Speaker 1: of twenty years of history, was really odd to me.
Speaker 1: And by that I mean this the idea that Lebron
Speaker 1: has played at times kind of the heliocentric I need
Speaker 1: to control everything style in service of his ego as
Speaker 1: opposed to in service of this is the best way
Speaker 1: to win. I thought it was odd that folks were like, well,
Speaker 1: Lebron doesn't play without the ball in his hands. He
Speaker 1: hasn't except for a couple years in Miami, really had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to play without the ball in his hands
Speaker 1: because he's never had a teammate where the team has
Speaker 1: a better chance of creating great offense, running the show
Speaker 1: that gives them a better chance than with them running
Speaker 1: the show rather than Lebron. Lebron is a guy who
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear could have in his prime
Speaker 1: won the scoring title any year he wanted to, and
Speaker 1: instead he won one. Ever why because he was doing
Speaker 1: what would have been best for the team when they
Speaker 1: get Luca. What's best for the team is for Luca
Speaker 1: to be running the show a lot, and Lebron instantly
Speaker 1: did that, of course, and also to me, not surprisingly,
Speaker 1: now that Lebron doesn't have to run the show on offense,
Speaker 1: he has more energy on defense. So the Lakers are
Speaker 1: a top tier contender. And JJ Reddick has done and
Speaker 1: I gotta give him credit, man, he has done an
Speaker 1: awesome job. They are buttoned up, they are prepared. He
Speaker 1: is grinding his ass off and they It is been
Speaker 1: really impressive watching him and watching them. They've been without
Speaker 1: Reeves and Ruey and they're doing this. So I'm super
Speaker 1: excited for Nicks Lakers tonight. There is a chance I
Speaker 1: do a live reaction pod after the game, like for
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. The problem with that is that was
Speaker 1: my plan, and then I think think when I made
Speaker 1: that plan, I was in New Zealand, and I had
Speaker 1: the time of the game all screwed up because it
Speaker 1: was showing me the time in New Zealand, and I
Speaker 1: didn't do the math right. That game's gonna end. That
Speaker 1: game's gonna end around one am Eastern. So like I
Speaker 1: so I so I'm not. It's less about me. I'm
Speaker 1: always if I stay up to watch a big game,
Speaker 1: I always have trouble going to sleep. So it's less
Speaker 1: about like me falling, like needing to go right to bed.
Speaker 1: It's more about two things. One is I don't know
Speaker 1: how to do any of the tech stuff, so somebody's
Speaker 1: got to be up on the other end doing that.
Speaker 1: And the other one is this I'm quite loud and
Speaker 1: me doing this pod at one am in a sleeping house,
Speaker 1: and you know the geography of the house, demons a
Speaker 1: sleeping right next to a window. It's all no, but
Speaker 1: it's all like our neighbors. So so it's maybe I'll
Speaker 1: do a live reaction show. I'm not sure. All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk Steph for a minute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Shaq said that Steph deserves to be in
Speaker 3: the goat conversation.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's a right take to have?
Speaker 1: Sadly no, So let's talk best point guard ever. We've
Speaker 1: done this before, I'll do it again just quickly here.
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson, I believe this in my bones, is the
Speaker 1: greatest point guard in NBA history. And Magic Johnson. It's
Speaker 1: not only that as a rookie one Finals MVP, now
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have Kareem should have won it, but had
Speaker 1: one of the single greatest finals games ever playing center,
Speaker 1: just being utterly dominant to win a championship as a
Speaker 1: rookie right after winning a championship in college. If people
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about, the Kareem was out
Speaker 1: so magic jump center as a rookie against Doctor J
Speaker 1: and the Sixers and dropped forty two, fifteen and seven
Speaker 1: to win a championship in the finals. That almost gets
Speaker 1: talked about too much. And what doesn't get talked about enough,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is this demons. In year three, Magic
Speaker 1: Johnson was second team All NBA, and then after that
Speaker 1: he played nine more seasons before the HIV diagnosis and
Speaker 1: was first team All NBA all nine seasons. Those nine
Speaker 1: seasons after year three, his MVP finishes were third second
Speaker 1: hold sorry third third, second, third, first, third, first, first, second,
Speaker 1: So again, years four to twelve for Magic, nine consecutive
Speaker 1: first team all NBA's nine consecutive top three MVP finishes,
Speaker 1: three league MVPs, went to nine finals, won five championships.
Speaker 1: He's the greatest point guard ever. With that said, every
Speaker 1: time I'm putting together my all time starting five, STEP's
Speaker 1: the better option at point guard than Magic. So I
Speaker 1: know that sounds weird, but whenever it's like, Okay, create
Speaker 1: the greatest team you can possibly create, I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: So the only two locks, even with respect to Kareem,
Speaker 1: the only two locks are Michael and Lebron. Those guys
Speaker 1: are the locks. And now we're figuring out the rest
Speaker 1: of the squad. And so I go, So Lebron's there,
Speaker 1: he can bring the ball up. I you know, Michael
Speaker 1: couldn't shoot a three to save his life, so I
Speaker 1: probably need some more shooting. Defensively, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: a monster anyway, So I'll put Steph in in place
Speaker 1: of Magic. So that's where the best point guard conversation,
Speaker 1: you know, gets off to a rough start, or not
Speaker 1: a rough start, but it gets complicated. But as far
Speaker 1: as best player of all time, there's a I mean,
Speaker 1: I just told you, Magic has nine First Team All NBAS.
Speaker 1: The guys who are actually in the discussion for greatest
Speaker 1: player of all time, Lebron, Michael, and Kareem, they have
Speaker 1: as far as first team All NBAS thirteen for Lebron,
Speaker 1: ten for Kareem, ten for Michael. Some people throw Kobe
Speaker 1: in there. I don't think that's legit, but that that's fine.
Speaker 1: He has eleven. Steph has four. So he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the the great season after great season after great season
Speaker 1: all these other guys did. Here's the other thing that
Speaker 1: he doesn't have. And again I'm not tearing him down,
Speaker 1: but this if everyone who is actually in the goat debate,
Speaker 1: which I think is only three people, but other people
Speaker 1: might want to expand it to a couple others. And
Speaker 1: even if you expand it to them, if you include Magic,
Speaker 1: if you include Wilt or Russell, like pick whomever, they
Speaker 1: all had an extended period where they were unequivocally, undeniably
Speaker 1: the best player in the league. Steph doesn't have one.
Speaker 1: Step doesn't have one season. Now that's again it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's his whole career is during Lebron's career. I get it,
Speaker 1: But that so you just so you can't be in
Speaker 1: the goat conversation when and you can be like, what
Speaker 1: about the Yearie won unanimous MVP. Yeah, he was going
Speaker 1: to be considered the best player in the league and
Speaker 1: then the finals happened, and so like, there is just
Speaker 1: not been so a spot. I'm not tearing him down.
Speaker 1: You guys know how highly I think of him as
Speaker 1: a player. He is arguable the greatest shooter ever. He
Speaker 1: might be the greatest ball handler ever. He's one of
Speaker 1: the greatest teammates ever. That yeah, but he.
Speaker 2: Is the best off ball players I know.
Speaker 3: That's not like the exactly the best, the best actually
Speaker 3: probably one of the best off ball players.
Speaker 2: In NBA history, I imagine.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the maybe the best. Yes, no, all those
Speaker 1: things really matter, I find to me, Uh, nobody wants
Speaker 1: to have this debate. But an interesting one is him
Speaker 1: versus Duncan, Like it is, it's hard to do, like
Speaker 1: putting up Steph's career versus Duncan, and Steph's career versus Kobe,
Speaker 1: and Steph's career versus Shack are all really interesting because
Speaker 1: those are four so different players, just you know, so
Speaker 1: such drastically different players, different styles, different career arcs like those,
Speaker 1: to me are real debates, But Steph versus Lebron, Michael
Speaker 1: and Kareem are not. She's not and that's fine, that's
Speaker 1: not a It was also weird timing to have this discussion,
Speaker 1: Like Steph was having a down year and the Warriors
Speaker 1: were twenty five and twenty five, and they traded for
Speaker 1: Jimmy and they're, you know, on the uptick, and Steph
Speaker 1: is playing some of his best basketball of the year.
Speaker 1: But this isn't like some magical Steph Curry season. He's not.
Speaker 1: He has no shot of being first team All NBA
Speaker 1: this year. He is. I remember when they traded for Jimmy,
Speaker 1: he had as many games with fifteen or fewer points
Speaker 1: as he had thirty plus points. Like, he's averaging the
Speaker 1: fewest points he's averaged in a season since his first MVP,
Speaker 1: so in a decade, and he's averaging below forty from
Speaker 1: three for just the second time of his career. So again,
Speaker 1: I'm not. He's all all that's true, While it's also
Speaker 1: true is he having the greatest old little guy season ever?
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Speaker 1: All right, Demonse, let's get to Genie Buss's comments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she recently opened up about the ad trade
Speaker 3: and she said, we have lost the last We have
Speaker 3: lost the last three years in a row to the
Speaker 3: Denver Nuggets in the playoffs, and we really didn't have
Speaker 3: anything that was gonna look different going into the playoffs. Again,
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis was complaining about where he was being played
Speaker 3: and he wasn't happy.
Speaker 2: So I think this is a positive for both teams.
Speaker 1: So I hate this quote so much.
Speaker 2: Tell me about it.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you're wrong, they have not lost,
Speaker 1: not you, Demonse, She's wrong. Yeah, No, know your playoff history,
Speaker 1: you own the team. You have not lost to the
Speaker 1: Nuggets three years in a row, lost Nuggets two years
Speaker 1: in a row. Likes, I'm not acting like that's awesome,
Speaker 1: but it hasn't been three years in a row you've
Speaker 1: lost to the Nuggets. That's first of all. Second of all,
Speaker 1: we really didn't have anything that was gonna look different.
Speaker 1: Take that, JJ Reddick. I mean, one of the biggest
Speaker 1: things you can do is change your coach. You did.
Speaker 1: You also traded away Di'angelo Russell, who has been an
Speaker 1: unmitigated playoff disaster at second of all, Third of all,
Speaker 1: ad came to the Los Angeles and kicked ass won
Speaker 1: you a championship alongside Lebron And by the way, you
Speaker 1: know what series Anthony Davis brought not probably the best
Speaker 1: playoff series of his career against Denver and Jokic in
Speaker 1: the conference finals when you won the championship, including hitting
Speaker 1: a game winning three in a series when he averaged
Speaker 1: thirty one and six en route to a gentleman's sweep
Speaker 1: over the Nuggets. So again, like, I'm not saying she
Speaker 1: was wrong about that We're gonna have trouble with Dinburgh
Speaker 1: in this year. That probably would have been true. Why
Speaker 1: say it? What is the why go after ad like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's here's the quote. This is again, this
Speaker 1: is what you need to say. Just my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you'd asked me six weeks ago, would we ever
Speaker 1: trade Anthony Davis, my answer publicly would have been absolutely not.
Speaker 1: But my answer even privately to friends would have been,
Speaker 1: I mean not unless Jokichiannis or Luca are available, and
Speaker 1: they're not available. He is one of the greatest players
Speaker 1: in the league. We just signed him to an extension.
Speaker 1: Our plan was to have him take us into the
Speaker 1: post Lebron era whenever that era is as Lebron keeps
Speaker 1: defying Father Time. But when Rob got the phone call
Speaker 1: that we could get one of the only players in
Speaker 1: the entire league who is more accomplished, and I'll say
Speaker 1: it probably better than Anthony, and he's six years younger,
Speaker 1: that's just a move you can't turn down. So no,
Speaker 1: I I was very comfortable and very excited about Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis being the face of the Lakers for the next
Speaker 1: half decade. With her, now we have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: have someone be the face of the Lakers for the
Speaker 1: next fifteen years, and so we took it go ahead.
Speaker 1: That's what with her.
Speaker 3: It should have been with her saying what she said,
Speaker 3: And like, do you think even if Luca wasn't on
Speaker 3: the table that there was a chance to think got
Speaker 3: rid of Anthony Davis?
Speaker 1: I may, I don't know. She's clearly didn't like that
Speaker 1: ADS quote, the complaining thing about you know, not wanting
Speaker 1: to play center and they need a center, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But deal with it, Like, I just did not like
Speaker 1: that quote at all. All. Right, let's go on to
Speaker 1: the MAVs. Demonsey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so obviously Kyrie towards a c O. Anthony Davis
Speaker 3: might be out for even longer. You said that what
Speaker 3: Dallas is going through is something that teams really hard,
Speaker 3: have a heart, really have Jesus Christ, have a really
Speaker 3: have a really hard time coming back from.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So with with them repairing that, what do you what
Speaker 3: do you think it's going to be harder to repair
Speaker 3: the team or its future or the trust and the
Speaker 3: fans really really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough one tongue twister. So they sold
Speaker 1: shells down by the seashore.
Speaker 3: But with one comes another, right obviously, like you repair
Speaker 3: the team, you gained the trust of the fans.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I don't know. You can't regain the
Speaker 1: trust of the fans without repairing the team. But just
Speaker 1: repairing the team, I don't think we'll regain the trust
Speaker 1: of the fans. So I listen, don't. This is because
Speaker 1: this is private. I guess it's not that private if
Speaker 1: I'm about to say it, but I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to like turn this into like a social clip.
Speaker 1: This thing here, So there's in the chat, Biggie says, Hey, Nick,
Speaker 1: longtime MAVs fan, It's sad. What's happened. I got a
Speaker 1: text yesterday, first text I've gotten from this person since
Speaker 1: before the Super Bowl. Man, y'all gotta stop talking about
Speaker 1: the MAVs. And then the crying laughing emoji from none
Speaker 1: other than Patrick Mahomes. And the reason I say that
Speaker 1: is MAVs fans are so sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you what I text him, But
Speaker 1: he didn't respond. Maybe didn't take it. Well, Bro, you're
Speaker 1: just a Laker fan, now, I wrote, I wrote, it'll
Speaker 1: be fine. I never liked the Lakers, but then they
Speaker 1: got bron so now I'm a Laker fan. And now
Speaker 1: they have Luca too. It's glorious. I am. This is.
Speaker 4: I this has the feel, honest to God of like
Speaker 4: a team moving cities.
Speaker 1: What it's done to the fan base out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: And so I people are like, all fire, Nico, Sure fine,
Speaker 1: but the owner co signed all of it. And by
Speaker 1: the way, let me find this statement, Nico Harrison statement
Speaker 1: on Kyrie. So here's what Nico said. So he said,
Speaker 1: Kyrie's the heart and soul of this team is embraced
Speaker 1: city of Dallas and our fans as an extension of
Speaker 1: his own family. All fine. I've been fortunate enough to
Speaker 1: have witnessed his journeys, continued evolution and growth over the years.
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly grateful to have the opportunity to see him
Speaker 1: approach the game basketball the same energy and fierce passion
Speaker 1: of the game. He's a young man on the verge
Speaker 1: of his career. All fine, there too, and then this
Speaker 1: his work, ethic, ethic, and absolute dedication to his craft.
Speaker 1: It's cut from the cloth of grapes. I know it,
Speaker 1: I lived it. I see the same ferocity and passion
Speaker 1: in him that I saw in Kobe. Bro. You gotta
Speaker 1: stop playing the Kobe card. You just have to we
Speaker 1: get it. You were Kobe's guy at Nike. We understand,
Speaker 1: but you traded Luka because he wasn't Kobe. Kyrie is
Speaker 1: gonna be fine at thirty three post acl because he
Speaker 1: is the work ethic of Kobe, by the way, again,
Speaker 1: and I am rooting for Kyrie, Butkoche, even Kobe when
Speaker 1: he was older and he suffered a catastrophic injury, was
Speaker 1: never the same. I'm not hoping that for Kyrie at all.
Speaker 1: But I just this team is so cooked out of
Speaker 1: nowhere for no reason. I just have never seen anything
Speaker 1: like it, and I feel I truly, I truly feel
Speaker 1: terribly for their fans terribly.
Speaker 3: You go out there, you know there was talks of there, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there were talks of this being a move for them
Speaker 3: to tank the team so they could then be able
Speaker 3: to move to Vegas. Now do you think there's any
Speaker 3: truth to that? Do you think that that's possible with
Speaker 3: they're given situation?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Dallas is a top five market.
Speaker 1: Vegas is not a big city comparatively like where is
Speaker 1: hold On. Sorry, I'm doing a lot of on the
Speaker 1: fly biggest cities in the US. So the Dallas is
Speaker 1: so Dallas is the number nine city, but the Dallas
Speaker 1: Fort Worth metro is top five, Vegas is number twenty four,
Speaker 1: So that just doesn't make a ton of the NBA
Speaker 1: is gonna have a presence in Dallas. So that was
Speaker 1: one of the many reasons this made no sense. That
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory and and hold on biggest metro areas let
Speaker 1: me do that. I mean, there's nothing is really great
Speaker 1: radio podcasting like this. Yeah, that's what I thought. So
Speaker 1: Dallas Fort Worth Arlington is the number four metro behind
Speaker 1: only New York, LA, Chicago, and Vegas is the number
Speaker 1: twenty nine metro, So that speaks to it even more.
Speaker 1: Shout out Kansity, kans City, number thirty one metro. You
Speaker 1: know we once we used to be like twenty seven
Speaker 1: all on a bit. But that's okay, h going down,
Speaker 1: up and down a bit. Yeah no, that's all right. Yeah, fluctuating,
Speaker 1: But so that's not gonna happen. But again, if if
Speaker 1: you have made a move that is so catastrophic and
Speaker 1: incomprehensible that folks are like, maybe you're trying to pull
Speaker 1: a Major League on your own team, or I guess
Speaker 1: the more common example of it would be for season one,
Speaker 1: Ted Lasso on your own team, then you probably should
Speaker 1: just resign. And I also want to say one other thing,
Speaker 1: because there's this whole thing that like, oh, Kyrie's workload
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the injury. No, obviously it
Speaker 1: had something to do with the injury. So he led
Speaker 1: the league in Mint's last six weeks, and people were like, well,
Speaker 1: it's not an overuse injury, it's not a soft tissue,
Speaker 1: it's a fluke thing. Got it. Even if I concede
Speaker 1: that point, here is the very very simple response to that.
Speaker 1: What are the chances you have of getting hit by
Speaker 1: a car acrossing the street? Let's call it one in
Speaker 1: one hundred. Well, if you normally cross the street fifteen
Speaker 1: times a day and the last six weeks you're crossing
Speaker 1: the street thirty times a day and you get hit
Speaker 1: by a car, is it because you were crossing the
Speaker 1: street more often than usual or was it just a
Speaker 1: fluke thing. Well, I don't know, but you gave yourself
Speaker 1: more opportunity to get hit by the car. Kyrie Irving
Speaker 1: didn't blow out his knee walking his dog. He did
Speaker 1: it playing basketball. And so the more the more you
Speaker 1: play basketball, the more often chance you have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to suffer a basketball injury. And so I'm not saying that, oh,
Speaker 1: Kyrie needed to be low managed to the hilt, but
Speaker 1: of all the players in the league, he was leading
Speaker 1: the league in minutes that seemed reckless. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't know what you do if you're Dallas.
Speaker 1: They really do not know what you do if you're Dallas. Fold.
Speaker 1: This is what my buddy, Mike melt you say, fold
Speaker 1: the franchise. I don't know, man, All right, let's let's
Speaker 1: go fastest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you did this this the season debut of
Speaker 3: King of the Hill. On your show the other day,
Speaker 3: you said that Jokich is clearly the best player in
Speaker 3: the NBA.
Speaker 2: So why as you and Vegas giving Shaye the MVP.
Speaker 1: H His best player doesn't win MVP every year. Lebron
Speaker 1: didn't have fourteen of them. You know, Jordan doesn't have
Speaker 1: eight of them. The Yo Kicch is the best player.
Speaker 1: Shaye's having the best season, So like it's It's not
Speaker 1: like I didn't say Yokic was having the best year.
Speaker 1: Shay's having the best year and he right now deserves MVP.
Speaker 1: And he had another great game last night. That to
Speaker 1: me is like a and a not a complicated one
Speaker 1: that just being the best player in the league does
Speaker 1: not mean that every year you had the best season.
Speaker 1: And I'll say another thing. Each MVP is harder to
Speaker 1: win than the last. The threshold to win your first
Speaker 1: MVP is here, the threshold to win your second MVP
Speaker 1: is here, the threshold to win your third MVP is
Speaker 1: very high. And the threshold to win four or five
Speaker 1: or six is astronomical. And so Jokis is sitting at
Speaker 1: three and so even though he's gonna average a triple
Speaker 1: double as a sinner because his team right now is
Speaker 1: the three seed and Shay's team is gonna win sixty
Speaker 1: seven games, and Shay's gonna win the scoring title, right
Speaker 1: He's gonna win the scoring title, Indney, That's gonna be enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, it's gonna win the scoring title by
Speaker 1: a lot. It's thirty two point eight points per game. So, yeah, Shay,
Speaker 1: Shay's having the best year. Jokich is the best player.
Speaker 1: What I'm interested in the MVP thing is Lebron gonna
Speaker 1: finish top five. I Lebron finished top five and age
Speaker 1: forty right, so right now, Demon's Shay Yo Kicic there's
Speaker 1: my ballot, Shay Jokicic, Giannis Tatum, that's my four. That
Speaker 1: fifth spot, it's either Bron or Donovan. Donovan's team has
Speaker 1: been unreal. Lebron's got better numbers across the board than Donovan.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 1: And then here's the other thing. Here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: I hated, hated that the NBA changed All NBA to positionless.
Speaker 1: Should be two guards too forwards in a center.
Speaker 5: I hated it might help out my guy Bron this year, though, Yeah,
Speaker 5: because if it were two guards too forwards in a center,
Speaker 5: then All.
Speaker 1: NBA is done. It's Jokic as your center, Jannison Tatum
Speaker 1: as your forwards, Shayan Donovan as your guards. But since
Speaker 1: it's positionless, could Bron take Donovan's spot on first team
Speaker 1: All NBA. Maybe? By the way, sorry, Lebron. James in
Speaker 1: year two at age twenty, was second team All NBA. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, year two, age twenty, second team All NBA,
Speaker 1: almost first team All NBA. Year twenty two, age forty,
Speaker 1: probably gonna be second team All NBA, almost first team
Speaker 1: All NBA. It's unbelievable. All right, before we're gonna do
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Speaker 3: I was gonna ask, is is King of the Hill
Speaker 3: basically just Club Superstar with more sections?
Speaker 1: No, it's Mahomes Mountain. But for basketball, all.
Speaker 2: Right, you want to make it. I wanted to make
Speaker 2: it some type of fun.
Speaker 3: So alright, no, why it's just get it's more NBA players.
Speaker 3: I thought you guys were expanding on the on the
Speaker 3: Club Superstar.
Speaker 1: Club Superstar is very specific because it's a one in,
Speaker 1: one out policy and there's it's it's not it's not
Speaker 1: just about how you played this year, like it there is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's so as a for instance.
Speaker 2: But how you played this year could get you taken
Speaker 2: out right or some.
Speaker 1: Guys, but like Steph Curry's Superstar, he would have to
Speaker 1: have like a truly horrendous year to be out. And
Speaker 1: I can't even I'm not even gonna say the idea
Speaker 1: of Lebron not being in there and so like, so
Speaker 1: it's a different thing. Let's quickly do the Chiefs, all right.
Speaker 3: So there's no secret that the Chiefs cannot protect their
Speaker 3: quarterback in the Super Bowl. So they made a pretty
Speaker 3: odd move. They're moving Joe Dooney to the Beer to
Speaker 3: the Bears for a fourth round pick.
Speaker 2: Did this move shack.
Speaker 1: You, no, because once once they franchised Tag Tray Smith
Speaker 1: their right guard, they were clearly gonna have to move
Speaker 1: on from Tony. So they have the highest paid center
Speaker 1: in the league. They currently have the highest paid guard
Speaker 1: in the league, and Toney would have been the second
Speaker 1: his paid card in the league. You can't have like,
Speaker 1: you just can't spend your money that way, and so
Speaker 1: I listen, these are the tough decisions you have to
Speaker 1: make if you're just gonna try to keep a dynasty going. Tone,
Speaker 1: he's still a really good player, but he's thirty two
Speaker 1: years old, he's expensive. You get now, you get a
Speaker 1: young draft pick again a year from now at a
Speaker 1: draft capital what they're probably they took Kingsleys Suamataya in
Speaker 1: the second round last year to play tackle. He did
Speaker 1: not play it well. They will probably kick him over
Speaker 1: to guard. Listen, if you are trying to have a
Speaker 1: sustained level of success that only the Patriots and NFL
Speaker 1: history have had, you've got to make these tough decisions,
Speaker 1: and you've got to get real playing time from your
Speaker 1: draft picks. So you can't like Kingsley's got to play
Speaker 1: this next year. It just is what it is. And also, yes,
Speaker 1: good for Caleb. So they got they signed a tackles
Speaker 1: or they traded for a tackle. I forget the name,
Speaker 1: but they traded for a tackle. They traded for Tony.
Speaker 1: They're rebuilding their offensive line. All right. Let reminder like rate, subscribe, review,
Speaker 1: do all that stuff. And also, yeah, do it now
Speaker 1: because maybe at one am Eastern I'm gonna pop on
Speaker 1: and talk about the Lakers tonight. Let's do a few
Speaker 1: listener questions.
Speaker 3: Demanse Riley says, the stories like the around the Horn
Speaker 3: story and the moments you have with Colin are the
Speaker 3: intangibles that make us us as fans come back.
Speaker 1: That's very nice. I appreciate that. That's very nice. All right,
Speaker 1: thank you, Riley.
Speaker 2: Let's keep going, Trunks lifelong MAVs fan.
Speaker 3: At least I was, man, the lack of awareness that
Speaker 3: this new ownership group and front office just makes makes
Speaker 3: sports seem less fun and more of a business, which
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: I'm out now, no.
Speaker 1: Point, Well listen, don't be out, man, But I get
Speaker 1: the pain of this. I can't imagine. Like I said
Speaker 1: to Wilde's yesterday, I was like, if the Hunt family
Speaker 1: sold the Chiefs and a new ownership group came in.
Speaker 1: I would have a lot of worries, but one of
Speaker 1: them would not be what if these guys trade Mahomes?
Speaker 1: Like I would be worried about a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 1: but trading Mahomes wouldn't be on there. So when Cubans
Speaker 1: sold the MAVs, I'm sure some MAVs fands were like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, he was a hell of an owner. He
Speaker 1: was invested all this stuff. But I don't think they
Speaker 1: were ever thought what if they trade Luca? Now, maybe
Speaker 1: they were worried Luca might demand a trade. That's the
Speaker 1: other piece of this. I think it is way easier
Speaker 1: to deal with if Luca demands the trade, way easier
Speaker 1: because then A, you don't probably love Luca as much anymore,
Speaker 1: and B you're like, well, there's nothing we could do.
Speaker 1: And so that that to me, is that is what
Speaker 1: it seems like, right, That's what makes it just impossible.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do the next one.
Speaker 3: Isaac asked after Mahomes, Alan and Burrow, which two players
Speaker 3: round off your top five players to start a franchise with.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have Burrow third. I
Speaker 1: think Burrow's Jayden's interesting. I was this will shock you.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Lamar, Yeah, yeah, because like my
Speaker 1: playoff concerns with Lamar, notwithstanding he's such a transcendent regular
Speaker 1: season player and available and all that stuff. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: Burrow's injury stuff is and slow starts you know, are
Speaker 1: to me mahomes Alan Lamar Burrow, and then I you know,
Speaker 1: I obviously would love to say kylea but that's not
Speaker 1: a legitimate opinion right now. You'd have to say you'd
Speaker 1: probably have to say Jayden h as the fifth guy,
Speaker 1: given what they've both done in the pros. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think if there's anybody that's a fun producers, mark
Speaker 1: that down for a good August or July conversation, Like
Speaker 1: the best guys at other positions as well, non quarterbacks
Speaker 1: start franchise with all that. I like that conversation. Isaac,
Speaker 1: Good job you're out producing the show, all right, Great job,
Speaker 1: Demanse a great job to everyone at Volume and Blue Dock,
Speaker 1: all everybody helping out with today's show. Thought it looked
Speaker 1: and sounded great. Maybe I'll be on again in twelve hours.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Also, Demons have you talked to your mom? Like,
Speaker 1: do you know what her travel plans are? I do?
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't learn until Monday or Tuesday, So yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah. So the reason I mentioned this is my wife,
Speaker 1: Demanday's mom is going to LA and the also, so
Speaker 1: she I said to her real quick, and then we'll
Speaker 1: move on. Then we'll in the show said. So I said,
Speaker 1: we're this morning, and I should have known better. I
Speaker 1: was like, so, where are you staying in l A?
Speaker 1: And she just turned to me and looked at me
Speaker 1: like I had two heads. She was like, you haven't
Speaker 1: booked my hotel yet? Like no, I she said. She said, wait,
Speaker 1: I don't have a hotel or rental car yet. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you haven't asked me to do any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: She was like, you know you need to do.
Speaker 3: Sore the assistant, But yeah, I mean, if it worse
Speaker 3: comes to worse, I have a I have a car,
Speaker 3: might not have a car here soon, and I have
Speaker 3: a place.
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's what I was about to say. I was,
Speaker 1: could you imagine your mom's sleeping on your couch.
Speaker 2: It would be me sleeping on the couch. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I could not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but either way you wouldn't act, would allow it,
Speaker 1: You would be a great allow it your mother your
Speaker 1: mother would not. All right, great job. Everybody see you
Speaker 1: eyes on TV. In a few hours. Will train