1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Friday edition of 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: the program. We hope all of you are having fantastic 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: early starts to your weekend as all of us hang 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: out and roll into finally the month of March. I 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: know it's been a pretty cold winner all over the place, 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: and things hopefully are going to be getting better as 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: we go forward. A lot to dive into. During the 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: course of today's program. Zelensky is visiting the White House 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: right now, and Trump had an all timer banger of 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: a quote. Buck. 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this. 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking about trying it and arguments with my 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: wife Laura going forward. 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: Did you see this quote? Buck? I love it. 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: You can put it in the repertoire see if it 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: works on Carrie. Whenever you guys may get into disagreements. 17 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: Trump was asked about calling Zolensky a dictator, and he responded, 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: did I say that? I can't believe I said that? 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Next question, which is amazing. So I want all of 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: the men out there this weekend. If you are having 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: a dispute or disagreement and your tone is being questioned, 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: I would suggest that you say, did I say that? 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: I can't believe I said that next question and see if, 24 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: like Trump, you can immediately move on. 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: I saw. 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: I guess we have the audio. Sorry, buck, let me 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: play it cut twelve. Listen to this. Did I say that? 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: I can't believe I said that next question? 29 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: I love it was fantastic. That is amazing. 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: It's all the delivery too, like it minimizes so much. 31 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: Like yeah, whatever, he moves on. I saw this guy, Clay, 32 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: and I just thought this was really funny. You know, 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: I've got my in laws down visiting. I've got my 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: my family from New York down visiting. We've got a 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: baby shower this weekend, a. 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: Little bit of things going on. 37 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, so Clay is going to be taking the 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: helm solo about halfway through because I got a million 39 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: things to do. I mean, I'm I'm a chauffeur, I'm 40 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: arranging flowers, I'm taking people on tours of the beach. 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: I got a million things I gotta do here. But 42 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 3: I did see on Instagram and I just thought this 43 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: was really funny. As a relatively newly married guy, this 44 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: guy whose advice is don't ever when you're in an 45 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: argument with your wife, don't ever tell her to calm down. 46 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: Tell her that if her tone doesn't change, you're going 47 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: to wonder how it is that you married her mom. 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: But then again, her mom actually would clean the house 49 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: and cook. 50 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: Ah My, this guy is. 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 3: Trying to nuke every married man, you know. I don't 52 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: understand how this is even on the internet. This should 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: come with a warning. This guy, you're acting that's amazing. 54 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: You're acting like your mom, except your mom would be 55 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: way nicer to me. Is maybe the worst the advice 56 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: that I've ever heard in the history of man. 57 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: The fastest way to absolutely nuke things between spouses is 58 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: pretty funny. Anyway, That is really really funny. I don't 59 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: know if Zelensky is gonna go quite so hardcore when 60 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: he sits down with Trump. I have a sense now 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: he's gonna have to play his cards, right. Yeah, we'll 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: talk about that. 63 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: Maybe there will be some public availability with Zelensky and Trump. 64 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: But Buck, I saw this and I wanted to hit 65 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: you with it. This went up this morning. This is 66 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: from the New York Post, Former president. This is the 67 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: spectator world. I believe this has been Domini doing an 68 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: interview that is out now. The transcript of his interview 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: with President Trump. Trump said when he visited Biden right 70 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: after he won the election, everybody out there, I think 71 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: a lot of you will remember the pictures of Trump 72 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: and Biden sitting beside the fireplace, smiling, Joe Biden seeming 73 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: very happy. Because we talked about it on this program. 74 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: Biden didn't seem very angry about the fact that Trump 75 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: had won. And Trump said that these are direct quotes, 76 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: so I want to make sure I get him right. 77 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: I asked him, this is Trump, So who do you blame, 78 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: because he was very angry, you know, he was a 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: very angry guy, actually, And he said, I blame Barack. 80 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: This gets interesting, Buck, He said, I also blame Nancy Pelosi. 81 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: This is Trump talking about his conversation with Biden. I said, 82 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: what about the Vice president? He said, no, I don't 83 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: blame her, which was interesting. He didn't blame Kamala, he 84 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: blamed He told me he blamed those two people. So 85 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: I think this is kind of what we would have 86 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: anticipated if we were analyzing it without having heard it 87 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: from Biden himself. But Biden feels like Obama and Pelosi 88 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: were the leaders of the cabal that knocked him out 89 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: of the race in twenty twenty four, and he doesn't 90 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: blame Kamala for the way it went down. Now, maybe 91 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: she was just skilled at moving behind closed doors and 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: and not being noticed as being involved, but it is 93 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: interesting the way that that shakes out. I think this 94 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: completely lines up. I buy this absolutely makes perfect sense 95 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: to me, aligns with what we saw happening in real time. 96 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to relitigate this, but all it took 97 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: was Barack and Pelosi to just have a little bit 98 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: of a stiffened spine, and Biden actually would have still 99 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: been the nominee. I know people think I'm crazy, but 100 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: there were plenty of ways that they could have tried 101 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: to resurrect the campaign from the numbers that they had. 102 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: So I believe this, and I think Biden truly believed 103 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: that he was going to be the guy until he wasn't. 104 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that he thought even after that debate 105 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: he was going to be able to be pushed out. 106 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 3: There was no mechanism to push him out. The mechanism, 107 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: as we see now, so to speak, was Barack and 108 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 3: Pelosi knifing him in the back, so to speak, and 109 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: that I think was the final push. I didn't think 110 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: they would do it. And here's why. And I think 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: it also ties into why he doesn't blame Kamala. Kamala 112 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: couldn't win. Kamala knew she couldn't win. She wasn't ready 113 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: for it, she didn't have the skill set for it, 114 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 3: she didn't have the profile for it. But the Democrats, 115 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: just like they made an enormous strategic blunder by raiding 116 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: Mara a Lago and bringing four different criminal trials against 117 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: Trump and the civil trial nonsense and all of this Clay, 118 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: Just like they made all these horrible decisions in this process, 119 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 3: this was another horrible decision by the Democrat apparatus in 120 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: this case, led by Pelosi and Biden, which makes perfect sense. 121 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: Those would be the two most prominent Democrats, by the way, 122 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 3: more so than even Biden when he was president. Of course, 123 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: they had more power than he did. No one really 124 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: thought that, you know, mister vegetable was actually calling the shots. 125 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: So I think this is totally true. I think that 126 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: this goes to the lack of political judgment. Remember, Barack 127 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: Obama was disastrous. 128 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: People always forget this. 129 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: Disastrous for all Democrats in elections not named Obama. He 130 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: did well for himself two terms. Fine, but the Obama 131 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: movement did not ever stretch to other people to big 132 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: wins in the House. It obviously led to Donald Trump 133 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen. 134 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: Not only that, but Obama tried to come out in 135 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: campaign with Kamala and it fell flat. And I do 136 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: think this also, if we got the full story, would 137 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: be Obama was basically pulling the strings to get George 138 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: Clooney to write that New York Times editorial. I think 139 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: that's what the Biden people definitely think as well, is 140 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: that Obama was moving behind the scenes, pulling strings machinations. 141 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: Remember Buck, we have talked about it. It's still so 142 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: strange that he's never left DC. Get it early on. 143 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: If you have kids and you want them to finish school, 144 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, there's nowhere in America I 145 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: would move right now because my kids are in good schools. 146 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: They're not off to college yet. I understand, and a 147 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: lot of you out there who are parents probably have 148 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: made decisions. Hey, I'm staying in this job. I'm not 149 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: moving because it's best for my kids to be able 150 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: to finish high school. I want them to be able 151 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: to finish the school they're in right now. So I 152 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: will give him a pass for a few years until 153 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: Sasha and Malia officially left the home and went off 154 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: to college. But once that happens, Once that happens, there's 155 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: no reason for him to stay in Washington, DC. And 156 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: remember we had that big discussion except to meddle, and 157 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 1: there was that big article. I know you're going to 158 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: reference this, the big article about the Obama presidency effectively 159 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: a the shadow presidency. He's got a mansion, a ten 160 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 1: ten minute cab ride from the White House, and he 161 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: said publicly he would love to run the country just 162 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: without the responsibilities of having to do all the handshaking 163 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: and all of the movement around behind scenes. And uh 164 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: and and basically, I think this is what that's telling you, 165 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: that that Biden saw this. Now, I do wonder, remember 166 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: this is a conversation Trump had right after the election. 167 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: I do wonder if the Kamala positivity still exists because 168 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: some of the interaction between Kamala and Jill Biden, for sure, 169 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: has been frosty on a level where even I notice it, 170 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: like the shoulder is so cold that I can't even 171 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: look away. 172 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: I like this because we get to read the tea 173 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: leaves and get into we get to play shrink on 174 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: the couch here, Clay, I think I think that Jill 175 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: Biden never liked, never liked Kamala, and I think it 176 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: really goes to when Kamala called her husband a racist 177 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 3: on this stage. I know that the Democrats forgot, you know, 178 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: that whole thing, but she really went after Biden in 179 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: a way that tarnished his legacy. And if you're Jill Biden, 180 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: that's what matters to you, secondary only to him being president, right, 181 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: the Biden legacy is a critical aspect of what Jill 182 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: Biden thinks she's preserving. So Kamala went after Biden, calls 183 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: him a racist on that stage. That results in I 184 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: think Jill Biden never forgiving or forgetting. Joe can see, 185 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 3: you know, Joe is he's got. He's a scummy guy. 186 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: He's been in politics forever. You know, it's different, right, 187 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: he doesn't view but I think he gives Kamala a 188 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: pass because he knows she wasn't the one maneuvering to 189 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: push him aside, and he knows that it was Pelosi 190 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: and Obama and then Kamala had no choice. But I 191 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 3: think Jill still views it as you went after my 192 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: husband publicly and you betrayed him. I don't care that 193 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: it wasn't your idea. That's how I would break it down. 194 00:10:54,920 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's very right, And there 195 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: is a lot here. 196 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: I think. 197 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: Remember, Biden has been very quiet in the month since 198 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: he left. He basically I know he doesn't have a 199 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of energy to do anything. But 200 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: even for Biden, in the month since he's left, he's 201 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: been very quiet. At some point, I don't know who 202 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: the person's gonna be. There is we know the book 203 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: is coming out from Jake Tapper, who's lied about all 204 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: of the all the Biden related health concerns and claim 205 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: that he talked about. You know, we know those are 206 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: all lies. Okay, But at some point somebody is going 207 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: to write the Biden score settling book. I don't know 208 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: who it's going to be. Maybe a campaign manager, It 209 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: may be a trusted from their perspective, media source. And 210 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna hear a lot of these accusations 211 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: because what they're going to be fighting over in the future, 212 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: buck is who actually is responsible for Trump coming back? 213 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: Because Biden looks like an accidental president right now now 214 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: who never should have been in office. Remember, even people 215 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: who are not crazy right wing conspiracists are saying, did 216 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: he really get eighty one million votes? 217 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 4: Like? 218 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of people starting to ask 219 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: those questions now. 220 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: But you hit on something critical as well. This isn't 221 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: just about the exercise of the blame game as it 222 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: pertains to the different egos involved here in the legacies. 223 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: There is no leadership of the Democrat Party right now, 224 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: So who and there's no agenda for the Democrat Party 225 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: other than crying and hoping that Trump stops doing what 226 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 3: he's doing. So what you have, and this makes sense 227 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: given the power dynamics of the Democrat Party, is a 228 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: fight that is going to be brewing right now, and 229 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: a lot of it in front of us. I think 230 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: over exactly what you said, who is responsible for this 231 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: mess the Democrats are in because that group or those 232 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: individuals can get sidelined and there can be somebody else 233 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: that leads the Democrat Party against Trump going forward. But 234 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: that's why they have to figure this out now, because 235 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: some you know, somebody's heads have to roll, somebody has 236 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: to be held accountable for this disaster. They find themselves 237 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: in a Democrat party that is the weakest I've ever 238 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 3: seen it in my life. I've never seen the Democrat 239 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: Party as weak as it is right now. So they 240 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: have and everyone knows this right this. It's not like 241 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: anyone's claiming the Democrats are in a good position. So 242 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: is it the you know, Pelosi Obama faction that gets 243 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 3: the blame? 244 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: Is it changing? 245 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: Therefore the leadership toward a more at least ostensibly moderate 246 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: purple state Democrats, somebody like a Gretchen Whitmer or Wes Moore. 247 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 3: We've talked about some of these names. That's all happening 248 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: right now. We'll take calls on this as well. Eight 249 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: hundred and two eighty two two eight a two. 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Rapid Radios dot Com 277 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: use code radio. 278 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 5: Saving America one thought at a time, Clay Travis and 279 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 5: Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or 280 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 5: wherever you get your podcasts. 281 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: Okay, we are waiting for the audio of this. I 282 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: am told that I now have the transcript. Buck, I'm 283 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: gonna do a bit of a dramatic reading here of 284 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: just what happened in the Oval office. 285 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 6: Uh. 286 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: Jd Vance, who is also at the meeting. Vice President 287 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: jd Vance said it was quote disrespectful for Zelensky to 288 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: come in the Oval office and litigate in front of 289 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: the American media and said he does this all the 290 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: time on publicity tours. Trump raised his voice and said 291 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: to Lensky, You're not You're not really in a good 292 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: position right now. You're gambling with World War three. Jd 293 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: Vance then said, have you said thank you once you 294 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: went to Pennsylvania to campaign for the opposition? Trump followed, 295 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: you're running low on soldiers. Then you're telling us you 296 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: don't want a cease fire. Zolensky is trying to respond. 297 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: This is according to the La Times, this is spicy Buck, 298 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: relatively speaking to what usually happens when the media is 299 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: invited in to see a foreign dignitary visiting. Usually everybody 300 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: plays nice. It does not appear that everybody is playing 301 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: nice here. 302 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: What is Zolenski's plan other than to just keep on 303 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: hanging out with celebrities and assuming that the American taxpayer 304 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: is going to send him hundreds of billions of dollars 305 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: for this war, which I think we honestly don't get 306 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: anything from. We are helping people because America has decided 307 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: that Russia is the bad guy and Ukraine is the 308 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 3: good guy. And yeah, is it Russia's fault that this 309 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 3: war happened? Yes, they started the war. Were there things 310 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: that were done by NATO before or rather encroachments by 311 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: NATO beforehand and provocations by Biden specifically that did not 312 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 3: help the situation in advance. Yeah, that's also true. But 313 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 3: we just want this thing to stop. We want to 314 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: stop sending money, We want we want people to stop 315 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 3: getting blown up and killed and shot and all these 316 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: horrible things that are happening on a massive scale on 317 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: this battlefront. What is Zelenski's plan if he doesn't want 318 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: to go into a negotiation. Putin already knows. People are saying, oh, 319 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: Trump is undermining Putin's Henzelenski's hen Putin knows the battlefield 320 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: reality better than we do. He knows he's got more men, 321 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: he knows he's got more material, and he knows that 322 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 3: Russia is actually slowly advancing in this situation. And so 323 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: what what's Zelenski's plan to bluff? He's gonna these the 324 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 3: only options are status quo, which is meek grinder for 325 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: Ukrainians Americans funding this whole operation, or Zelenski thinks that 326 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: some way he'll be able to get us to just 327 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: step in and now it's America squaring off against Russia 328 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: on the battlefield. Directly, I don't see what the because 329 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: negotiation and ceasefire and ending this thing sets him off. 330 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 3: Apparently he doesn't want to do that. 331 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: I do think that it's under discussed, and I give 332 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: credit to Jade Vance for pointing this out. The guy 333 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: went to the battleground state of Pennsylvania to campaign for 334 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. We talk a lot about foreign interference and elections. 335 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: Can you recall that having happened buck where a foreign 336 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: leader comes to the United States in the middle of 337 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: an election, goes to a battleground state and campaigns for 338 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: one side against the other and then shows up in 339 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: the White House after the side he campaigned against lost 340 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: or sorry one the side he campaigned for lost, and 341 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: tries to argue that they owe him something. I mean again, 342 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: strip aside. I like to do this, and I know 343 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: some of you don't necessarily love it, but strip aside 344 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: whatever political affiliations you have right now for a moment, 345 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: just consider this blindly. If we're going to hear that 346 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: Russia completely elected Donald Trump based on a few hundred 347 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in Facebook ads, that is the entire argument 348 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: of Russia collusion. When it boils down, Russia was playing 349 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: around on Facebook. They bought I don't know, one hundred 350 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars. I think of Facebook ads, which, 351 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: let me tell you, is virtually nothing, especially in an 352 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: election where billions of dollars are being spent. I went 353 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: and looked at those elections we have bought Facebook ads. 354 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: I can tell you that one hundred and fifty thousand 355 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: dollars in Facebook ads does not get you in front 356 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: of very many people. Okay, But if we are being 357 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: told that Russia buying those ads swung the twenty sixteen election, 358 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: Zolensky actually traveled to America and campaigned against Trump and 359 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: vance in Pennsylvania, what most people would have acknowledged to 360 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: be the biggest battleground state in the entire United States. 361 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: So this idea that somehow this is not direct election 362 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 1: interference from a foreign official. 363 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: Is kind of wild to me. 364 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: I even I remember we talked about it when it 365 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: happened on this program, and I said at the time, like, 366 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: this is direct attempt to influence election by Zelensky. 367 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: I also, I always thought this formulation was just was 368 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 3: so dishonest, this thing about Democrats. Oh so people are 369 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: trying to influence our elections. 370 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: This has been going on forever. We try to influence elections. 371 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: I was to say, how many elections do you think 372 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: we try to influence that are going on? 373 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: I was in the CIA, and I'm familiar with the 374 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 3: history of that organization. Let me tell you there's been 375 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: a lot of influencing of elections in our past, and 376 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: maybe more who knows that has gone on. 377 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: All over the world. I mean, the whole Cold War. 378 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: Was basically US picking proxies and the Soviets picking proxies 379 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: to try to influence powered elections in foreign countries. This 380 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 3: was This was like top of our foreign policy priority 381 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: for decades. So this notion who tries, Yes, is it 382 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: a problem if Russia tries to break into our voting 383 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: machines and change them. Yeah, that didn't happen, although a 384 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 3: lot of Democrats think it did. That's that's, you know, 385 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: breaking laws and things that we have to take seriously. 386 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you could even argue that's an active war. 387 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: But Facebook ads world leaders saying I think you should 388 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 3: vote for this person, not that person. Americans or Russians 389 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: or whoever we're talking about. We're in a global information ecosystem. 390 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: The idea that there isn't there aren't efforts to influence elections, 391 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 3: at least by people sharing their opinions, whether it's a 392 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 3: world leader or foreign media entity or whatever. This is farcical. 393 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: This is absurd. But this is where you get to 394 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: Democrats saying they bought Facebook ads saying mean things about Hillary. 395 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: There were billions of dollars spent on ads in that election, 396 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 3: one hundred grand. I'm not going to lose an election 397 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: because of one hundred grand on Facebook. You didn't deserve 398 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 3: to win in the first place. The whole thing is absurd. 399 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: Also, that's the greatest ad spend in the history of mankind. 400 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you one hundred thousand dollars in Facebook 401 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: ads during the gambling era, without Kick, we would buy 402 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,239 Speaker 1: Facebook ads to try to get people to sign up 403 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: for gambling throughout Kick codes. I mean, that's one of 404 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: the parts of our business that we were running as 405 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: a media business. One hundred thousand dollars is a blip 406 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: in the radar of Facebook's overall advertising. So what happens here, 407 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: it's Zolensky traveling and campaigning. I think Jad Vans is 408 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: actually very right to call him out. We are in 409 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: the process, by the way of putting the audio of 410 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: the transcript that I read to you in and I 411 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: would imagine we will have this soon again, Zolensky in 412 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: the White House being confronted in real time about, uh, 413 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: about exactly what is going on. 414 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 3: Also, he does not come across as grateful at all. 415 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: I will try to point that out. It's always give 416 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: us everything that we want, give us all of this money, 417 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: American taxpayer or else. The fact that we're going to 418 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 3: get our asses kicked by the Russians even more is 419 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: your fault. It's the whole thing is effectively built on 420 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 3: a kind of moral blackmail. If you have to keep 421 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: funding this, the American taxpayer has to keep fund of 422 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: the Ukraine war or else if Russia runs over them, 423 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: it is our fault. 424 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's I think. 425 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 3: I think something that people have grown clay very tired 426 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: of in this country, and a lot of Democrats, for 427 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 3: whom the virtue signaling of a Ukraine flag on their 428 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 3: Facebook page or on their ex profile, that's their involvement 429 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: in this war. And just like everything else, spending money 430 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 3: that they don't think of as theirs because it's the 431 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 3: taxpayers and giving it to Ukraine makes them feel good 432 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: about themselves. But the real nuts and bolts of what 433 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: is happening in this conflict shows us that Zelenski has 434 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 3: there's no plan here, and as we saw whether it 435 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: was the US and NATO in Afghanistan, a whole bunch 436 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 3: of other wars we could point to. When you have 437 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: no plan other than I'm going to send people who 438 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: are just serving their country to go out there and 439 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: get shot at and possibly killed, this is a deeply 440 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: immoral thing to perpetuate. If it's just I want the 441 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 3: status quo because I don't want to accept that we 442 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: can't get everything that we want. 443 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: As you know, the Ukrainians what. 444 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: Sorry, just looking at some of the pictures, the Ukrainian 445 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: ambassador has her head in her hands over the audio 446 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: that we're about to play for you in front of 447 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: all the media. This is gonna be a big deal. 448 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: We probably will go to break and we should. Let's 449 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: go back, come back and play though. 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There 478 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: is a report that Trump has kicked Zolensky and the 479 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: Ukrainians out of the White House. And I am, like 480 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: many of you, uh, clicking refresh to get the absolute 481 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: latest on how this is going to how this is 482 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: going to shake out, and whether it's the Lensky will 483 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: actually leave the White House. And I say this again, 484 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: I'll give you the absolute latest because all of this 485 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: to me is just negotiation and a lot of people 486 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: are gonna get worked up. And you see this happen 487 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: all the time. We'll bring in the Attorney General of Kansas, 488 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: who we had scheduled here, and I know we've got 489 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the border in many of the 490 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: things that are going on. Chris Kobak. Appreciate him joining 491 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: us right now. 492 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 5: I don't know. 493 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: Have you been in mediations like I have where one 494 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: side pretends to get really angry and they say we're leaving. 495 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: That offer was disrespectful. It's clear they didn't come to 496 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: try to settle this case today, and they threatened to leave, 497 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: and then the mediator goes to the other side and 498 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: the other side threatens to leave. 499 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: I've been through. 500 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: This so many times. It feels to me like negotiating 501 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: posture more than anything else. But I'm curious how you 502 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: would analyze and if you have yourself been through settlement 503 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: talks like this. 504 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 7: You know I have as an attorney in my private 505 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 7: capacity before I became Attorney General, Yes I have, and 506 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 7: as Attorney General, I've been in settlement talks. But I 507 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 7: have to to say I have not been in one 508 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 7: where people, you know, get visibly angry and you know, 509 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 7: storm out or start yelling. This is a This is 510 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 7: a pretty rare thing, at least in my world. So no, 511 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 7: I haven't seen that. 512 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's interesting. 513 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 7: It could be, you know, a way of achieving some 514 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 7: sort of bargaining position. 515 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: Well, you know what's interesting is maybe it's just me 516 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: like I just it doesn't really rattle me. But I 517 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of attorneys try to play this 518 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: game where they get riled up and they want to 519 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: puff out their chest and everything else. And then other 520 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: aspects of this. By the way, the press conference Olensky 521 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: canceled right now, mineral deal not signed. Brett Bayer just 522 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: tweeted that he is still scheduled to interview Zelenski. Can 523 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: you imagine that interview at this point, But again, until 524 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: they actually leave the White House and team if you 525 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: will monitor this because I'm sure the cameras are going 526 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: to be there. Much of this seems like public posturing 527 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: to me, but. 528 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: We will see, all right. 529 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: One thing that Trump has certainly done that has not 530 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: been public posturing is he's effectively shut down the border. Now, 531 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: I know Kansas is not a direct border state, but 532 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: given that you have some proximity to Texas. Much of 533 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: that traffic floods its way everywhere. What have you seen 534 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: in terms of the relationship between the various state attorney 535 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: generals when it comes to shutting down the border and 536 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: what impact have you seen from that occurring. 537 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 7: Oh, there's quite a bit of impact already. And Kansas 538 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 7: is although not touching the border, we are very close 539 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 7: in the sense of I thirty five comes straight up 540 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 7: from Texas and it's a major trafficking route. And then 541 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 7: we also have our east west highways which tend to 542 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 7: bring in people who have come in across the Arizona 543 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 7: section of the border, and then they're moved up to 544 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 7: Highway twenty four, Highway thirty six. Typically the smugglers will 545 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 7: not use interstates if they can avoid them. Thirty five 546 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 7: is an exception, and they'll use these secondary state highways. 547 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 7: But at any rate, Yeah, we do get a lot 548 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 7: of traffic through Kansas, and we also are our destination state, 549 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 7: especially in parts of our state where there may be 550 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 7: some meat packing or other industries. Now meat packing has 551 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 7: shifted over the last few years, but there are other 552 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 7: industries where illegal immigration is a very prominent labor source. 553 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 7: So yeah, we have. As an attorney general, we've seen 554 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 7: a lot of things happening. So step back a few months. 555 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 7: Right before President Trump was elected and took office, we 556 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 7: were suing the bid deministration in case after case after 557 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 7: case because the Bide Deministration was breaking the law. So 558 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 7: to give you an example, the very first suit brought 559 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 7: during the Bide administration was led by Texas because prether 560 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 7: Than Biden announced he was just going to not deport 561 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 7: anyone for one hundred days. He just made that up, 562 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 7: and it's against federal law to do that. Texas won 563 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 7: that lawsuit. And then the last one in the immigration 564 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 7: context was brought by Kansas with a bunch of other 565 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 7: states coming on as co plaintiffs, and we sued the 566 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 7: Biden administration because he was trying to give Obamacare benefits 567 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 7: to illegal aliens, and we prevailed in that case. And 568 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 7: that's the You know, between those two there were more 569 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 7: than a dozen lawsuits brought by state attorneys general to 570 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 7: stop the Bide administration from violating the law. Now all 571 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 7: of a sudden, things are switched and we're trying to 572 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 7: help the Trump administration enforce the law. One of the 573 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 7: biggest things right now that I think we'll have the 574 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 7: most consequence is what are called Section two eighty seven 575 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 7: G agreements. And for those of your listeners who aren't 576 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 7: familiar with that, that refers to Section two eighty seven 577 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 7: G of the Immigration and Nationality Act, and that allows 578 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 7: either a state law enforcement agency like my Kansas Bureau 579 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 7: of Investigations, which is under the Attorney General here in Kansas. 580 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 7: It allows us to have our officers trained to be 581 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 7: essentially ICE office to take off their you know, Kansas 582 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 7: KBI hat and put on an ICE officer hat when 583 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 7: they need to have access to ICE databases to detain 584 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 7: an alien who's illegally in the country on behalf of ICE. 585 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 7: And so it's not only state agencies, but sheriff's offices 586 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 7: around the country are getting trained up right now. It's 587 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 7: you know, if anyone associated with a law enforcement agency 588 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 7: is listening, you know, think about your agency getting this 589 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 7: training because it really is a massive force multiplier and 590 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 7: it's happening a lot in Kansas, Florida, Texas right now. 591 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 7: I know a lot of law enforcement agency have already 592 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 7: signed up, but have already gotten this authority. You have 593 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 7: to get training as well for your officers who are 594 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 7: going to betized in this manner. But it's a. 595 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: Britial because go ahead, no no. 596 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: I was just going to say, we're talking with Kansas 597 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: Attorney General Chris Kobac, and I was going to ask 598 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: you on top of this, and indeed, working with Ice. 599 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: We had Tom Homan on the show, I believe, wednesday, 600 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: talking about all the work that he had done to 601 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,239 Speaker 1: shut down the border. I'm old enough and certainly we 602 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: have talked about it a lot on this program. To 603 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: remember when Joe Biden said Congress had to act in 604 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: order for the border to be shut down. What does 605 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: it say about Trump's promises that he would come in 606 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: and fix it, and almost immediately in the first thirty days, 607 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: basically all discussion about the border has ended because Trump 608 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: was right. He did have the executive authority to put 609 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: in place restrictions on entering into the country. He did it, 610 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: and Homan told us Wednesday ninety seven percent of illegal 611 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: border crossings have been stopped since. 612 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 7: So the claim made by Democrats both now and in 613 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 7: the past that Congrus has to act to fix the 614 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 7: problem is complete. The Loney the Immigration Laws of the 615 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 7: United States, a volume of which I have in my 616 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 7: office with me. You know, imagine a book about four 617 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 7: inches thick of very small fonts. We have incredibly detailed 618 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 7: immigration laws and immigration regulations under that that already make 619 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 7: it legal just about everything the illegal aliens are doing. 620 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 7: So we don't need additional immigration laws. We just need 621 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 7: an executive who will enforce existing immigration laws. That's what 622 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 7: President Trump is doing. That is what Biden did not do. 623 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 7: In fact, Biden not only did not enforce the laws 624 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 7: he violated. He ordered ice officers and board patrol officers 625 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 7: to violate certain laws that require the officer to make 626 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 7: an arrest under certain circumstances. He said, no, you are 627 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 7: not allowed to make that arrest, even though federal statute 628 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 7: says you shall make an arrest under those circumstances. So 629 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 7: the laws were already there. All it took was a 630 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 7: executive willing to enforce the law. And the lawlessness of 631 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 7: the Biden administration just stands in start contrast now when 632 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 7: you see a president who's just enforcing the laws that 633 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 7: have been on the books, many of them for over 634 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 7: fifty years. The most recent ones are already almost thirty 635 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 7: years old. So there was never a shortage of laws 636 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 7: in this area. 637 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: By the way, reports Zolensky scene exiting the White House, 638 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: trying to keep everybody updated on exactly what has gone 639 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: on there, and we will continue to update you on 640 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: all of this. What would you say, as an attorney 641 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: general people should know out there about the primary difference 642 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: you have seen in the first I guess, like forty 643 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: five days, sixty days as we come up on it, 644 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: of Trump two point zero compared to Biden. 645 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, competency is the number one difference. I mean, Biden, 646 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 7: as you know throughout his tenure his four years, got 647 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 7: more and more, you know, mentally disconnected, and that's just 648 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 7: a function of age. Nothing you know, negative about him 649 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 7: as a person, but he just he just wasn't there, 650 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 7: whereas President Trump is hyper engaged. The other thing is 651 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 7: President Trump's two point zero. You know, Trump forty seven 652 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 7: has a lot more wisdom and experience than Trump forty five. 653 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 7: Not to say that, you know, Trump forty five wasn't 654 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 7: very experienced in all kinds of areas that are relevant 655 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 7: to being president. But now he's been through the grinder. 656 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 7: He knows what's going to have, what the deep State's 657 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 7: going to try to do to I me, he knows 658 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 7: what Congress is going to how they're going to react, 659 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 7: and so coming in this second term, he has been 660 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 7: extremely effective. I mean, the the pace at which he 661 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 7: was issuing executive orders and the quality of the or 662 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 7: the orders are very detailed, and you know, as an attorney, 663 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 7: I'm looking at it. Just yesterday, I was reviewing some 664 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 7: of the executive orders and we had a meeting at 665 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 7: the White House with twenty one Republican attorneys general, meeting 666 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 7: with Pam BONDI to go over very specific things that 667 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 7: we're intending to do. This is this is an extraordinary 668 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 7: lets level of activity where the Trump administration is moving 669 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 7: on multiple fronts simultaneously with great speed. I haven't seen 670 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 7: any administration do this in the first hundred days, and 671 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 7: I've seen administrations up you know, was involved on the 672 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 7: outside of the Trump administration the first time. They did 673 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 7: a great job. But Trump forty seven is running a 674 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 7: whole lot faster than Trump forty five, and a whole 675 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 7: lot faster than the Bush administration which I was involved in. 676 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 7: It's really impressive, really really impressive. 677 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate the work you're doing in Kansas, appreciate 678 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: you giving us some time and some optics and do 679 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: how life as an Attorney general under Trump is going. 680 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: We look forward to talking to you again sometime soon. 681 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: Keep up the good work in Kansas. 682 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 7: My pleasure. Thank you. 683 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 2: That is Attorney General of Kansas, Chris. Go back. 684 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: We'll take some of your calls and we come back. 685 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: Reacting still to the fireworks, I think it's fair to 686 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: call it. Inside of the Oval Office between Zelensky, Donald 687 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: Trump and JD. Vance, I want to tell you the 688 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: lunatic anti Israeli protest are back again in New York City, 689 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,919 Speaker 1: this time around one hundred of them gathering in front 690 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: of the entrance to Barnard College chanting Free Palestine. They 691 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: tried to breach police barricades. Several arrest were made, and 692 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: they also got in officer faces of the NYPD and 693 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: called them the KKK. All of this just another reminder 694 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: of why we need to continue to support our friends 695 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: in Israel, something the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews 696 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: is dedicated to doing. Your ongoing monthly gift of forty 697 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: five dollars will provide critically needed aid to communities in 698 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: the North and South parts of Israel devastated by the 699 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: ongoing war. I saw it from my own eyes up 700 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: near Lebanon, and also all the way down in the 701 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: Kibbutz's overlooking Gaza. 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This just came 712 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 1: down in addition to everything else going on around the world. 713 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: Pope Francis, eighty eight years old has had a sudden 714 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: worsening condition and has been placed on a mechanical ventilator 715 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: in the in Rome. And so that story in and 716 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: of itself is one worth following as well. Again, if 717 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: you haven't been paying attention, eighty eight year old Pope 718 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: double pneumonia, been in the hospital for some time, has 719 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: had a bit of a setback according to this statement, 720 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: and has been placed on a ventilator. We will see 721 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 1: how that goes in addition to all of the other 722 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: geopolitical maneuvering and tension that is taking place right now. Okay, 723 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: for those of you who maybe are just getting in 724 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: your cars or you have not been aware of what 725 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: has been transpiring, we had fireworks in the Oval Office 726 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: with Vladimir with Zelensky there alongside of JD. Vance and 727 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: President Trump. The expectation was today that there would be 728 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 1: a mineral rights agreement signed. That has not happened. Zolensky 729 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: in the last half hour or so left the White House. 730 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: Trump put out a statement saying, evidently Zelensky is not 731 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: ready to move towards a peace accord, and he let 732 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: it be known two things. One, Ukraine can't win the war. Two, 733 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: the United States is not going to continue to pay 734 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: for this war that Ukraine can't win going forward. Uh 735 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: Zolensky in the Oval Office alongside of JD. Vance and 736 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It got very very testy. Let me play 737 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: a couple of these cuts, the first two guys that 738 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: we played in the first hour For people out there 739 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: who may not have heard what this sounded like. Let's 740 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: play a couple of minutes from inside of the Oval Office, 741 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: just in the last couple of hours. Here's what it 742 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: sounded like. 743 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 4: I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to 744 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 4: end the destruction of your country. Yes, but President, with respect, 745 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 4: I think it's disrespectful for you to come too the 746 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 4: Oval Office to try to litigate this in front of 747 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 4: the American media. Right now, you guys are going around 748 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 4: and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have 749 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 4: manpower problems. You should be thinking, the president. 750 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 9: To bring this coun train that you say, what problems 751 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 9: we have? 752 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 2: I have been to well, come on. 753 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 4: I have actually I've actually watched and seen the stories, 754 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 4: and I know what happens is you bring people, you 755 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 4: bring them on a propaganda tour. Mister President, are do 756 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 4: you disagree that you've had problems like bringing people into 757 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,720 Speaker 4: your military and do you think that it's respectful allows 758 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 4: to come to the Oval Office in the United States 759 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 4: of America and attack the administration that is trying to 760 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 4: trying to prevent the destruction of your cont A. 761 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 9: Lot of questions. Let's stuff from the beginning, sure fills 762 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 9: to wall during the war. Everybody has problems, even you 763 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 9: but you have nice otion and don't feel now, but 764 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 9: you will feel it in the future. God blessed, God 765 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 9: bless you, God bless you. 766 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 6: Don't tell us what we're gonna feel. 767 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So that was the first part Trump cutting in 768 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: after jd. Vance had begun the discussion with with Zolenski. 769 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:59,280 Speaker 1: Let's hear more as it continued. Uh, frankly, unlike anything 770 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: we've ever seen before in a public fashion inside of 771 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: the Oval office. 772 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,439 Speaker 6: We're trying to solve a problem. Don't tell us what 773 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 6: we're going to feel, because you're in no position. 774 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 2: To dictate that. 775 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 6: Remember this, you're in no position to dictate what we're 776 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 6: going to feel. We're going to feel very good. We're 777 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 6: gonna feel very good and very strong. You're right now 778 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 6: not in a very good position. You've allowed you to 779 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 6: be a beginning to be right about from the beginning 780 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 6: of the war. 781 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 2: We're not in a good position. 782 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 6: You don't have the cards right now with us. You 783 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 6: start having right now, you don't you play. You're gambling 784 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 6: with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with 785 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 6: world War three. You're gambling with world War three. And 786 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 6: what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country, 787 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 6: far more than a lot of people said they should have. 788 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 4: Times you said, you went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for 789 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 4: the opposition in October. Offer some words of appreciation for 790 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 4: the United States of America and the president who's trying 791 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 4: to save your country. 792 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,720 Speaker 1: Okay, So that is the fireworks that just took place, 793 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: and we have been talking. Buck by the way out today. 794 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: He was on for the first hour. He's in the 795 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: process of preparing for the arrival of baby number one, 796 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 1: lots of family in town. He is out for the 797 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: rest of the show. He'll be back with me on 798 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: Monday's edition of the program. Now, what's really going on here? 799 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: You might have heard me talking with the Attorney General 800 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: of Kansas. To me, this is basic negotiation. I don't 801 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: want to sound like Costanza on Seinfeld, but it's negotiation. Jerry, 802 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: if you remember that episode, most of the people that 803 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: are going to be reacting in a historyonic fashion in 804 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: media have never actually been engaged in any kind of 805 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: serious negotiation in their lives. What is happening here is 806 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: Trump is having to speak hard truths to a Ukrainian 807 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: president that has convinced himself he's Winston Churchill. Those hard 808 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: truths are point one. You can't win the war. If 809 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 1: anybody out there listening to me right now disagrees with 810 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 1: that point, call me in and tell me how I'm wrong. 811 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: Eight hundred and two two two eight a two. The 812 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,479 Speaker 1: most important analysis here is Ukraine cannot win this war. 813 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,399 Speaker 1: If you believe that to be true, and I don't 814 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: even think you can make an argument that Ukraine can 815 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: win the war unless you're out there right now listening 816 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: and you're saying, you know what, I want this to 817 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: turn into a world war. I want there to be 818 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: American troops. I want NATO to be involved. If that 819 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: were to occur, then yes, I think Ukraine could win 820 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: the war. If we gave them millions of troops, they 821 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: would have more than Russia would. But then Russia might 822 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,720 Speaker 1: decide to use nuclear weapons. 823 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 2: Right. 824 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: No one wants to take this to the next proverbial level. 825 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: If Ukraine is fighting against Russia, Ukraine cannot win. 826 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 2: That is point one. 827 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: If Ukraine cannot win the war, why are we continuing 828 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: to give them billions of dollars. You don't have to 829 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: agree with me, by the way, I will take phone 830 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: calls if anybody out there can make the case. These 831 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: are to me, the two most important points that need 832 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: to be analyzed. Here, can Ukraine win three years in 833 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: The answer is no. That doesn't mean that the Ukrainian 834 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: men haven't fought bravely. That doesn't mean that Ukraine doesn't 835 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: have the right to defend itself. Those are different questions. 836 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: The question at the most basic level is. 837 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 2: Can they win? 838 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 1: The answer to me is no, And I don't think 839 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,479 Speaker 1: that anybody out there could argue Ukraine can win. If 840 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: you already know how. 841 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 2: The war ends. Ukraine's going to lose. 842 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: Why should we be giving billions of dollars in taxpayer 843 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: money to allow Ukraine to continue to lose more slowly? 844 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: What is the benefit to the American taxpayer? Why should 845 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: my dollars go to Ukraine? Why should your dollars go 846 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: to Ukraine? This war should end right now. There should 847 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: be a ceasefire again. The next step becomes where is 848 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: the line drawn? Where is the squiggly line on the 849 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: map drawn? And those negotiations might take months, they might 850 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: take years. But once you're in the process of negotiating 851 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: where the line is, and I would submit to you 852 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: it's probably somewhat akin that line to where the lines 853 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: between the troops are. Right, Now, why would you continue 854 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: the war in any way? Usually when one side knows 855 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: it can't win the war ends. I'm not defending Russia 856 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: invading Ukraine. I'm not saying that I like Vladimir Putin 857 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: at all. I'm merely saying he's going to win. Isn't 858 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: it in the best interests of America for the war 859 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,359 Speaker 1: to end and for us to stop spending tons of 860 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,640 Speaker 1: our money, billions and billions of our dollars on a 861 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: war that Ukraine can't win. This ceasefire should be signed today. 862 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,919 Speaker 1: What Trump is doing in saying this publicly is he's 863 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: actually also giving Russia room to win the war on 864 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: its side too, Because, as I laid out earlier, you 865 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 1: can't buy into this disneyfied era of our media where 866 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: we say, oh, Ukraine is all that's good and pure 867 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: and Russia is all that's evil and rotten, because then 868 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,840 Speaker 1: how do you bring this to a conclusion. And I 869 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,360 Speaker 1: used as an example of divorce negotiation, it's very rare 870 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: that each in a divorce, some of you have. 871 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 2: Been through them. 872 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,799 Speaker 1: It's very rare in a divorce that each side is 873 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 1: equally at fault. Newsflash. Usually the husband or the wife 874 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: is worse and they're the cause more so than the 875 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,880 Speaker 1: other person of the relationship ending. But if you spend 876 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: a lot of time on fault, it makes it very 877 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: difficult to get the divorce realized. That's why no fault 878 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: divorce came to be, because you don't spend all the 879 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 1: time sitting around trying to figure out all of the 880 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 1: things that happened in the past that were awful and 881 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,840 Speaker 1: trying to assign a portionable blame as a result, you 882 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,760 Speaker 1: simply go back and say, hey, let's stop the fighting, 883 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: let's get a solution. That's where we are. This war 884 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: has been fought. There is no no doubt who is 885 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,240 Speaker 1: going to win. It is Russia. The question is where 886 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: is the line going to be drawn? And arguably, and 887 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: I think it's right, telling the public, telling the world, 888 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: Telling Zelenski to his face that exact truth, instead of 889 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 1: leaking it through the New York Times or the Washington 890 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: Post so he could read it in the newspaper later, 891 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:32,359 Speaker 1: I think is going to hasten the ceasefire taking place. Now, 892 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: some of you may not like the way that it 893 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: played out, some of you may say, well, this should 894 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 1: all occur behind closed doors, none of this should be 895 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: in public. You can make that argument, but that's not 896 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: really the way that Trump has ever behaved as a president. 897 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: The Trump that you get in public is not very 898 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 1: different than the Trump that you get in private. He's 899 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: basically the same guy all the time. I think that's 900 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: one reason it's very hard to attack him, because the 901 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,720 Speaker 1: American public has come to understand, for better or worse, 902 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: what a day to day Trump existence is. Like, I 903 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: think what Trump did today is going to make it 904 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: more likely that there will actually be peace in Ukraine. 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