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Speaker 1: R and B Money.

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Speaker 2: Honey, we are.

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Speaker 1: Take volati. We are the authority on all things.

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Speaker 2: R and B.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tanking. I am Ja Valentown.

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Speaker 1: This is the R and B Money Podcast, the authorities

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Speaker 1: on all things please R and B. Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's what we represent. The foundation is in the building,

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Speaker 1: preach telling what reason why we are here while we

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Speaker 1: do what we won't do. What we do here is

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Speaker 1: in the building while we sing so beautifully, don't you chucking?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Him, the one and.

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Speaker 2: Only, the one and only.

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Speaker 1: Huh why even fo you want to smoke? Yeah? What Yeah?

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Speaker 1: All of that, all of that he's been setting on five.

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Speaker 1: We got to smoke from him. Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: The King smoky bro.

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Speaker 2: Smoke tak. I'm taking you everywhere I go for that introduction.

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Speaker 1: Man, man, man, let me ask you a question. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let me ask your question. Do you know like do

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Speaker 1: you do you ever get to like they said the

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Speaker 1: guy on the matrix? He said, have you ever step

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Speaker 1: back and marveled at it? It's beauty? Have you've gotten

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Speaker 1: a chance to just understand what you've done?

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Speaker 2: Well? Man, you know what, First of all, I am

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Speaker 2: just really really really blessed man, you know, and especially

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Speaker 2: especially now, if you could have seen it, then you

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Speaker 2: would add some inkling of what I'm talking about it,

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Speaker 2: especially if you see it now where I grew up.

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Speaker 2: Any kid there, because we had a lot of groups

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Speaker 2: and a lot of people singing, and other would not

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Speaker 2: have thought that something like this could happen for them.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in the hood. I grew up you

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Speaker 2: know where, you know, with some gangster brothers. So I

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Speaker 2: am overwhelmed with what God has allowed to happen in

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Speaker 2: my life, man, you know, because like I said, this

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Speaker 2: was my impossible dream as a kid. This is what

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Speaker 2: I wanted for my life, but it was impossible to

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Speaker 2: me because this possibly ever happened, you know, not from

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Speaker 2: where I am, you know. So I'm living my impossible dream,

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Speaker 2: and it's a blessing, man. And I don't take it

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Speaker 2: for granted. And I don't triple on Smokey Robinson and

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Speaker 2: all that, you know, that's just that comes along with

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Speaker 2: and they start tripping on themselves and think that, well,

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Speaker 2: the world is aware of them now, so it can't

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Speaker 2: possibly do without them. That's so stupid, man. I think

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Speaker 2: I've seen thousands and I'm not exaggerating now, I've seen

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Speaker 2: thousands of people come through show business, man, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. So I just I'm blessed man, and

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Speaker 2: I'm very, very very happy to be able to live

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Speaker 2: this life that I love so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me say this. Today is Smoky Robinson Day.

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Speaker 1: We know he probably got many of them around the world,

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Speaker 1: of course, of course, but today on this pod, it's

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Speaker 1: the King's day. Right. You say listen, you say you ain't.

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Speaker 1: You don't trip on the Smoky Robinson thing. Today we

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Speaker 1: get we tripped trip tripping Smoky Robinson. All right, you

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Speaker 1: stand on business, all right, I want to get I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to get two things that are

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Speaker 1: for me and my brother Jay Urgent. Off top. Well,

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Speaker 1: the fiftieth anniversary, of course, talk about that, man.

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Speaker 2: Well you know what, man, I'm having two fiftieth anniversaries

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Speaker 2: of a quiet storm. All yeah, quite storm was my

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Speaker 2: course everyone knows that we very started Motown. We started

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Speaker 2: I came out to Los Angeles because I didn't want

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Speaker 2: When I retired from the Miracles, I was thirty one. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for Jackie Wilson's manager. Jackie Wilson was my number one

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Speaker 2: the man. Okay, but anyway, we got to change. Jackie

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Speaker 2: we're gonna sing five songs that I've written because I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll never make it. All right, Here's what he said,

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Speaker 2: they rejected us. However, during the course of that audition,

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Speaker 2: And I think he's sitting there because he's gonna audition

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Speaker 2: He said, Man, wait a minute. So I turned around.

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Speaker 2: He said, what'd you get the songs from?

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Speaker 2: I said, I wrote him. I'm wondering why he's asking

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Speaker 2: Point yeah, but I'm thinking, like man, because I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm disappointed, you know. So he said, yeah, Man,

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Speaker 2: he said, I liked a couple of your songs. Man.

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Speaker 2: So I said to myself, well, he wants to use

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Speaker 2: I see, you still think yeah, so I said, yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: I said, well, well, thank you very much, man, he said,

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Speaker 2: he said, no. When I buy records, even today, man,

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Speaker 2: I look to see who wrote the music. I want

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Speaker 2: I always have done that. So now I got all

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Speaker 2: of Jackie Wilson's records. Okay, So this dude says to me,

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Speaker 2: he said, yeah, man, he said, I'm very gordy. What

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Speaker 2: how could you possibly be very gordy? Man, I say,

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Speaker 2: you mean very gordy? Who rolls's for Jackie? He said yeah.

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Speaker 1: I said, so he was a guy already. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: He was ten years older than me. I just look,

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Speaker 2: I said, you berry Gordy. So that's why I say

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Speaker 2: it was a god day, man, because Bet didn't have

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Speaker 2: He was there to turn in some new songs to

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Speaker 2: Jackie Wilson. He actually had lonely teer right, lonely teer

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Speaker 2: dress with him that day. You know, he was gonna let.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolute, absolutely, you know what I'm saying. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: he said, you got any more songs? I had a

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Speaker 2: So he listened about twenty of them that day and

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Speaker 2: and and and about a year and a half later

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Speaker 2: he he put us with the record label. And because

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Speaker 2: and uh, he put us with a record label out

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Speaker 2: We were very excited. So I'd written this song called

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Speaker 2: got a Job, in answer to the Silhouettes song get

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Speaker 2: so we know that. Okay, that's that's that's a hit,

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Speaker 2: you know. So we had four sizes with them, two

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Speaker 2: forty five, you know, it was four sides. And so

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Speaker 2: so come time to pay the royalties, man, this dude

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Speaker 2: sent Barry check for the producer's royalties, the publishing, the writing,

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Speaker 2: Irish royalties for three dollars nineteen cents, you know, for

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Speaker 3: So I'm trying to put together inflation, baby, yeah, three

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Speaker 3: nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Just ain't that Arry framed it. He's got it. He

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Speaker 1: Ladies, gentlemen in the building right now. The Quiet Storm

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Speaker 2: Songs take different times at least for me, and shop

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Speaker 2: I said, I gotta smash it for Barrett Man. He said,

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Speaker 2: way you sound on this. I want you to sing

428
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: this song. Oh, come on, Barry, No, No, I'm on

429
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: to jaff. We went through twenty five minutes of that,

430
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: so he finally said he Man's going to the studio

431
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: and recorded on You and the Miracles.

432
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: Man.

433
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: I like the way you sound on this, so I said, okay.

434
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: So I went in the studio and I recorded it

435
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: on us and it Bear Strong was a bluesy singer

436
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: as far as I was concerned. So that's how I

437
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: wrote Chaperon and I recorded it just because you becoming

438
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: young man. Then piano blo on, blown blown on on,

439
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: and then you know all that you know, and it

440
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 2: was kind of like slow and rocking and shit. So

441
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: we put the record out. Record's been out for at

442
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 2: least two weeks on the radio, okay, and three o'clock

443
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: in the morning one morning, my phone rings and uh

444
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 2: I pick it up. I said, hello, hey, man, it's me.

445
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: It's very I said, yeah, man, I said, I kind

446
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: of recognize your voice. I said, what do you want?

447
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 2: He said, what's happening? Man? I said, what do you mean?

448
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: What's happening? Man? It's three o'clock in the morning. What's happening.

449
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm sleep, man, that's what's happening. He said, Well, chaperon

450
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: won't let me sleep. I said what he said, chaperon

451
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: won't let me sleep. You did the wrong thing to it.

452
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: You give it the wrong treatment. You did not give

453
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: it the right treatment. It's a really good song and

454
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: you fucked it up. So I got to do it again.

455
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: It's on the radio.

456
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I said. I said, Berry, the

457
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: record's been out for two weeks on the radio. He said,

458
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: I don't care. Man, it's not as good as it

459
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: can be, and it can be really good. He said,

460
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna change. I'm gonna change everything about it. I'm

461
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: gonna change the sound, I'm gonna change the beat, I'm

462
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: gonna change the rhythm. I'm gonna change everything about it.

463
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: And it's going to number one. So I said, oh, man, okay,

464
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: I said, but you know, he said no, no, no,

465
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: he said, I'm changing everything. I said, okay, man, I'll

466
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow. He said, no, no, no, I mean right now.

467
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 2: I said, running now ThReD Cid in the morning. Man,

468
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 2: he said, don't care. He said. I called all the musicians.

469
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: He said, I called them, and so you get the group,

470
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: y'all come to the studio right now. We're gonna do

471
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: it again. Thank god, thank god. We won and did

472
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: it again because he changed everything. If you could hear

473
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: the one I did and here the one that's the

474
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: popular one, it's a whole another record. But that's what

475
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: he did, he said. So see, he changed it, and

476
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: the rest is history. It was the first million sell

477
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: that Motown every yeah, yeah, the first million sell that town.

478
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: Sure.

479
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: But that's who that do it is. Man, He's one

480
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: of those guys. That's why that's I tell people all

481
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: the time, that's the success of Motown, man, Because people

482
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: ask me all the time. You see, I grew up

483
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: in a great neighborhood, man. I grew up down in

484
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: Rossly for four doors down the street from Meretha Franklin

485
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: lived right around the corner.

486
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: You know.

487
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: The fore Tops live right across the avenue by by

488
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: by Pete who is one who's who was our bass singer.

489
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 2: You know, the Temptations live right across this avenue right

490
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: over there. And we had battles at high school. And

491
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up in a great neighborhood. You

492
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And people say all the time,

493
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: why did Detroit have all those talented people? Man? He

494
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: had to you know, all those people in Detroit. And

495
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: I tell him, and I really believe this, in every village,

496
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: every city, every township, every area where there are people gathered, Okay,

497
00:26:53,760 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: probably ratio wise, there's that same amount of talent we have.

498
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: We had Barry go. You know what I mean, somebody

499
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: got to bring it all together.

500
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: Somebody had to bring for a dude with a high

501
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: school education to pull off something like Motown and have

502
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: it be what it has become. That's a special dude, man,

503
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: that's a special dude. Man. You know what I mean,

504
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: so that's what we had. We had somebody who was

505
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: there pushing us. And and you know, and Motown was

506
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: a place of competition. It was, it was, it was,

507
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: it was. It was such a wonderful, wonderful place, man,

508
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: because it was not just our workplace, it was our

509
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: hanging place. We have always had what we celebrated as

510
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: the Motown family, because that's who we were, man, and

511
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: that's who we are, those of us who are still alive,

512
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: we still celebrate the Motown family. But we were a

513
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: family because we weren't just stablemates. We see the temptations

514
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: walking through the hallway. Hey man, how you doing. No,

515
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: we hung out with each other. Yeah, that was our

516
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: brother my brothers and sisters. We hung We want each

517
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: other's homes. We had dinner, each other's houses, We had picnics,

518
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: we had outings, we did everything together. When you went

519
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: back to Detroit, you could have been on fifty one

520
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: night a tour, and when you got back to Detroit,

521
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: first thing you did was get yourself together, bet your

522
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: clothes and go to Hittsville. Why because everybody was over there,

523
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 2: and you knew whoever was in town was gonna be

524
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: over there, and you're gonna hang. That's what we did.

525
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: We hung, and we had the family kind of thing,

526
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 2: and all those people we were brothers and sisters. And

527
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: I go back now and I look at the pictures

528
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: in the museum and stuff like that, and eighty five

529
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: percent of them are gone. Eighty five percent of them

530
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: are gone. And when you when you when you're a

531
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: kid like that and you're growing up with all those

532
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: people there, and the last thing you expect to see

533
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: them dead. You don't expect to see nobody dead, you know,

534
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: especially when when when it's your close partner, part like

535
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: Marven for me, you know, dude that I was with

536
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: every day all day long, damn near of my life,

537
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: you know. Now respect to see him dead, damn.

538
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: You know.

539
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: It's but we have the Motown family man, and it's

540
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. It was beautiful, you know. We Very

541
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: held a sign up in the in the office. He

542
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: had this thing and says, competition breeds success because we

543
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: were so competitive against each other. Man, we were knocked down,

544
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: drag out competitive against each other. The producers and the

545
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: writers and people are trying to get records out on

546
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: the artists and stuff like that. And see the thing

547
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: about Motown, which is nothing made it so unique is

548
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: that if you were a producer or a writer and

549
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: you had a song that you thought fit so and so,

550
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: you could take it to so and so, and if

551
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: they liked it, you were free to record it on them.

552
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: It didn't matter who had the last hit record on

553
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: them and all that stuff. It didn't matter about all

554
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: that you got a song that they like, you can

555
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: record it on them. So that's why the competition was

556
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: so fierce. And every Monday morning we had meetings in

557
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: Barrie's office and only the creative people were allowed in

558
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: those meetings. Only the writers and producers. No secretaries, no

559
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: people from the sales department, no, none of that of

560
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: us up, just the writers and producers. Meetings start at

561
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: nine a m. On Monday morning. If you got that

562
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: nine oh one, you were locked out. You couldn't get in.

563
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: You know, I'm saying it. But we go in there

564
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 2: and we curitique each other's music, even though we were

565
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: competing against each other. Like I said, the greatest competition

566
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: ever had for getting records out on the Temptations was

567
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: Norman Whitfield and Baard Strong. Norman could be in the

568
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: studio working on something on Barrett, And like I said,

569
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: we hung out there all the time all everybody and

570
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: say hey, smoke, come in here, man. I want you

571
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: to say ooh, I want you to stomp your feet

572
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: or clap your hands or something like that. And I

573
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: would go do it. Even though I know he was

574
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: competing against me for record out on the Temptations, he

575
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: would do the same thing for me because that's how

576
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: it was. That's how we did. And in the Monday

577
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: morning meetings, we just came in and critiqued each other's music, man,

578
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: trying to get it better, trying to get I'll give

579
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: you a great example of that, uh uh tracks My Tears.

580
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: Tracked My Tears was one of many, many, many songs

581
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: that the origin of that song is my guitar. So

582
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: it's passed on now. Guy named Marv Tarplin with his guitar.

583
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: He would put those guitar rips on the tape for

584
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: me and give them to me until I could come

585
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: up with a song for his music, you know. And

586
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: so he had done that for the tracks of My Tears,

587
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: and I just had him playing the guitar on tape

588
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: and finally one day I came up with the three

589
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: lines for the chorus. They're good, look at my face, smile,

590
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: look at tray, close the sezar. The trays that you're

591
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: gone and I'm here. No, the seasons are trays that

592
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: I still love you, but you don't love me. No,

593
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: Caesar are trays that I went through a lot of those, man.

594
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: So one morning, this is so ironic. One morning I

595
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: was in mirror and I'm shaving and I don't I

596
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: don't have to shave it like once thy four or

597
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: five days because hell won't grow on my face. I

598
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: hated that in the in the sixties and seventy when

599
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: of the guys the motown were growing beards and I

600
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: couldn't grow one. I hated that.

601
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: Man, You see that?

602
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, warm thoughts. Man, you see a little pature.

603
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm pature, you know.

604
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: So anyway, so I'm in the mirror and I'm shaving,

605
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 2: and the thought just came to me, Man, what if

606
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: a person cried so much until their tears left tracks

607
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: in their face? And then I said, oh, ship, that's it.

608
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: So that was how I was able to finish up

609
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: the tracks of my tears. Okay, now tracked my tears.

610
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: You gotta be from the snow Joy that took.

611
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: That took maybe a month or so cruising, which was

612
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: another song that he Marven had put his guitar riffs

613
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: on tape and cruising. I loved his guitar so much

614
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: until back in those days you could looper tape and

615
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: I would look. I literally put me to sleep at night.

616
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: It was so sensual and so sexy, and so I

617
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: wrote a couple of songs of that, and they didn't

618
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: work because they weren't central and sexy like that. It

619
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: took me five years to come up with something for cruisers.

620
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: Five years. It took me something to come up with

621
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: something for cruising. And then once again it was by

622
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: quite by accident, I come up with the first three

623
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: lines of the course you Don't Fly Away. I'm glad

624
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: you're going my way because I love it when we're

625
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: traveling together. No, I love it when we're doing this.

626
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: I love them and shit, man, I had that tape

627
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: for five years, and one day it was at Christmas time,

628
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: December here in Los Angeles, and I'm from Michigan, where

629
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: in December the winters are brutal. I mean brutal, you

630
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

631
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: Maybe.

632
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: So I'm driving down Sunset Boulevard in December with my

633
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: top down and they got Christmas decorations and people are

634
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: walking around in shorts and tank tops and ship it's

635
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: eighty degrees is wrong because in December, and I thought

636
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: to myself said, damn, this is ridiculous, man, this is December.

637
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: I'm cruising down so it okay, I like this out

638
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: of that word cruising, put it on the end of

639
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: the thing, and that allowed me to finish that song.

640
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: But life, yeah, life, absolutely.

641
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Let's stop a cruising. Let's stop right, cruise, I do that,

642
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: Let's stop. There are two things that I need to

643
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: know about cruising. First, I need to know about the

644
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: session of cruising. Okay, what does this the session? What is?

645
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: What is it? Give me? If i'm if I walk

646
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: in the studio, what do I see?

647
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: There was a guy named Jean Paige. I don't know

648
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: if you ever met Jean. Jean Page was an arranger.

649
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: He was one of the greatest UH rhythm and blues

650
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: pop for arranger, of the greatest record industry arrangers that

651
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: I've ever heard in my life. You take Jeene Page

652
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: your raw thing, You're raw tape And when he got

653
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: through with it. It was over, you know what I'm saying.

654
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: So I took gene page after I put after I

655
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: had recorded the the the uh the rhythm track, and

656
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: put the vocal down on cruising. I took it to

657
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 2: Jean when I say, here baby, that's why I got back.

658
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: So he hired the string.

659
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he hired the string. He but he did

660
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: the arrangements.

661
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: Arrangements, so he's he's Quincy Jones right now doing that.

662
00:35:59,560 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

663
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, the bass player, this is what you do,

664
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: and and this is all these are all live instruments.

665
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's music, man, that's one man. I record

666
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: live all the time. Man, I like to I like

667
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: to sing while they're playing.

668
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: Still, you like to sing while they're playing, ask.

669
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: Him, that's what we did this time. I like to

670
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: sing while they're playing. I like to sing. I prefer

671
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: that because you see that that that's that's like when

672
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 2: when we're doing concerts. I don't know if I've ever

673
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: sang the same song exactly the same way ever, because

674
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: you know the cats are playing, it's different. Hear some

675
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: ship to guitar player. But it aspires you to do

676
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: something else, you know, And he's gonna hear something that

677
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: the bass player player, and he's gonna inspire him to

678
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: do something else. You know what I'm saying. So it's

679
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: it's it's it's inspirational. So so yeah, so I love

680
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: recording when when they record.

681
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so cruising, cruising, Like I said, man, so do

682
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: me this, do me this moment. Okay, the first time

683
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: you hear d'angelo's cruising, Okay, what are your thoughts when

684
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: you hear it?

685
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: Well, see, first of all, D'angelo's my little brother. I

686
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: love him. He's I know his mama and all them,

687
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: you know, so he's a cool dude. And what did

688
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: I think when I heard it? I thought, yeah, b

689
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: oh great, that's the same thing I think when I

690
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: hear anybody doing any of my songs, I mean a songwriter.

691
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: I hope that that happens all the time.

692
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

693
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: You know, I know when when the kids first started

694
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: to sample music and doing all the people come to me,

695
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: hey man, they sampled your music? Did you up to

696
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: no sample all of mine?

697
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

698
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: Sample every song I ever wrote in my life, because

699
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 2: when you sample it, that says to me that out

700
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: of the billion songs that are on earth, you know

701
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: that you had a choice of you know, and plus

702
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: you a songwriter, your say off, you chose one of mine, yes,

703
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: to incorporate in your music order to the bet just

704
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: sing period. Thank you. So D'Angelo, like I said, he's

705
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: a talented young man, and he sang it, and I

706
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: was flabbagasted, and in fact, they surprised him he did.

707
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: I forgot what the TV show was now, but anyway,

708
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: he was gonna do this TV show and he was

709
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 2: singing cruising and they called me and told me what

710
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: was happening. And so the TV show starts and he

711
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 2: gets there and he sings the first verse, and then

712
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: they had me walk out to sing the second person.

713
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: It was we in the mall.

714
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: We had the mall. It was crazy, but but but

715
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: I loved when he did that. Man he's got such

716
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: a funky version of him, but the angel's funky anyway.

717
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, now I love I love what you said

718
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: about that, because I think there's sometimes there's this line

719
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: in the sand where you know you have you have,

720
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: which they have all the right to feel that way,

721
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: but you have certain artists who are just like I

722
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: don't want anybody touching my music. Make your own music,

723
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: and you know y'all.

724
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: Need to be more creative. You said it, I didn't.

725
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: Y'all said it?

726
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah stupid.

727
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, there goes the answer to that.

728
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: That is what it is, absolutely because first of all,

729
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: like I said, it, flattery and then you're going to

730
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: earn some money.

731
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: So why would you protest that that?

732
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: Why would you protest that?

733
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of money, speaking of money.

734
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: The best things in life are free, but you can

735
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: give them no.

736
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: Money.

737
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: Going to that part, because you spoke earlier about the

738
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: finances with these other labels before you guys started Motown,

739
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: did you have any understanding at this point, like when

740
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: you first really kicked it off, got your first hit

741
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: records wrote you know, got a then you get your

742
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: smash record shop around. Did you really understand the publishing

743
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: side and you know, the royalties and different things that

744
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 3: a lot of artists didn't know for a long time.

745
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: No, you were part of the business.

746
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: No, No, I didn't understand that until Barry explained it

747
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: to me. See, I don't know. No, you know, see

748
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: when you're a kid like that man, because we were kids,

749
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, sixteen and and then then you know, I

750
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: think about this too when I got when I turned nineteen.

751
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: I married Claude, who was a girl in a group.

752
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: In nineteen and Barry had just started Motown and I

753
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: was making five dollars a week because I was there

754
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: was only five people who worked there there him and

755
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: four others of us, you know, so it was considered

756
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: our car fair to get there. But we made five

757
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: dollars a week, and you just but I was nineteen

758
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 2: and I got married because I thought I was a man.

759
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask you why you got married,

760
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: and I stoked, I was a man.

761
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: Okay, And here's my girlfriend. She's traveling with us anyway,

762
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: and many times her mother had to go on the

763
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: road with us because you know, the chaperone her and

764
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: she had because she's the only girl in the group.

765
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: And blah blah blah. But I got married when I

766
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: was nineteen. If one of my kids had come to

767
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: me when they were nineteen, dad get married.

768
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you shutting, shutting down, saying but I thought I

769
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: was a man.

770
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: Man that was me. Find out a week we started motime.

771
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: You see this five dollars you know that I can

772
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: take you place.

773
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely man. But yeah, so it was it was. It

774
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: was something man.

775
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: It was.

776
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: It's a great it's a great life legacy, man. And

777
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: to think that how we started and what was going on.

778
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: Like I said, it was five people there and in

779
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: the day that very started more time, Yeah, he had.

780
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: It was Brian Holland, who was one of the Hollands

781
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: Holland writing team. He was there, lady named Jamie Bradford,

782
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: Barry's then wife, and lady named ray Noma, and me

783
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: and Barry and Barry set us down and he said, amen,

784
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: He said, I'm gonna start my own record company. Anybody

785
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: paying set I'm own record company, and we're gonna be

786
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: the crew. And we're not just gonna make black music.

787
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: We're gonna make music for the world watching. See, We're

788
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: gonna make music for we will we will always have

789
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: some great beasts and some great stories and that's gonna

790
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 2: be our quality control to have that when we put

791
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: our records out. But we were gonna make music for

792
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: the world.

793
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I did it, you know.

794
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we shop around being like like you said,

795
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 3: it was the first million seller for y'all.

796
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: Did you see real money on that?

797
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we did. No, No, we didn't see real

798
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: the real money that we could have seen because Moretown

799
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: was new, so the distributors weren't paying, you know what

800
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

801
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: So they were withholding.

802
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, but you knew what they what happened

803
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: for us, which was so great man. They were holding

804
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: at first, but when Chop Bron came out, some of

805
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: them were still wortholding. But we came right back and

806
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: we had please mister postman and brooted and blocked the block.

807
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 2: We kept bombarding them with hit records, but legal that

808
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: because they wanted to the legally, Who's gonna come and investigated?

809
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: Who's gonna come and say if you go there and say, well, no,

810
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: we know we sold one hundred thousand records and distribution,

811
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: No you didn't. He's so fifty. Who go, who's gonna know?

812
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Who's gonna know that? That's

813
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: what happened. So yeah, they But like I said, the

814
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: great thing for us, man, was we bombarded them. We

815
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 2: kept them so they would give us our money before

816
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: we even send some records because they wanted those records.

817
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: You know, it got the front. Like the radio stations,

818
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: a lot of the companies were paying and they have

819
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: their records played. You know what I mean. The guys

820
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: would call us and say, hey man, please let us

821
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: have a new Supreme record before you get and I'm

822
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: talking about white stations. Let us have the new Supreme

823
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: record before you give it to anybody else. We'll play it.

824
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: You know.

825
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: We kicked their ass. Man.

826
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: Were y'all making money on the road? Oh yeah it was,

827
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: but not much.

828
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah when you first, when you first start out, you

829
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: want to let me tell you that we first start out,

830
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: we won't make it any money. Okay. Uh. The first

831
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: professional gig, really professional gig the Miracles and I ever

832
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: did was that the Apollo Theater in New York on

833
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: the Ray Charrolds Show. Okay, now, I just played the

834
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: Apollo just recently too. I will play the Apollo as

835
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: long as it's standing because it's it's Black music tradition,

836
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: you know. I just play. I just closed it down.

837
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: In fact, they closed it down and it's going to

838
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: be closed now for three or four years while they renovated.

839
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: You know. But if they tear everything else on one

840
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty fifth Street down, I hope they leave

841
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: the Apollo standing. The Apollo is Black music tradition. When

842
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: the Miracles on our first one in there, man, the

843
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: fair first time we're on the ray Child Show. We

844
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: go there and like I said.

845
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: We just kids.

846
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: I think I must have been about maybe seventeen or

847
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: something like that. Anyway, just gogate from high school. So

848
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: we have a record called Bad Girl and it's on

849
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: Chess Records out of Chicago. So it's making a little

850
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: bunch of noise for us. It started us to getting

851
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 2: some gigs and blah blah blah. When the ray Child

852
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: Show as Apollo Theater, we weren't making any money, but

853
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: we were so terrible. Mr Schiffman, the guy who owned Apollo,

854
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: called Bury and told me he want his money back.

855
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: Yet he wanted his money. Hey man, we didn't even

856
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: make enough money to get out of the hotel at

857
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: the end of the week. We didn't. He was only

858
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: Now there's five of us and he's only paying us

859
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: like seven hundred dollars and we're in New York from

860
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: New Charge. He's only seven hundred dollars a week. We

861
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: got a hotel. The hotel is more than that, you

862
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But he wanted that back.

863
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: Give me that back.

864
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were terrible, man, I mean I agree with him.

865
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 2: If if we hadn't been an actor, had a record

866
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: out where they considered you to be a professional, the

867
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: dude who danced and pull you off the stage with

868
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: the host sad Man would have came and got us.

869
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: You know, he came and got us.

870
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: Who was your favorite artist to write for?

871
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: To write for? Uh? Well, you know what I I

872
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: I enjoyed writing for everybody, man, because, like I said,

873
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: those people are my brothers and sisters. And you know,

874
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: people ask me questions about some of the songs that

875
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: they heard by other artists that I'd written. For example,

876
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: my Girl, you know, my Girl has become for me

877
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: as a songwriter, like an international anthem or something. Man,

878
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: should we go places where we're getting ready to go

879
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: overseas now in June, but we go places where they

880
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: don't even speak English. Sixty percent of the people in

881
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: that audience don't even speak English, okay, and they hear

882
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: boom boom boom boom boom, and they know the song,

883
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 2: they know the words. So stuff like that has happened

884
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: totally unexpected as far as I'm concerned.

885
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: But it just.

886
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: As a songwriter, I can't beat that. I cannot beat

887
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff happening, especially when it happens unexpected,

888
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'm not expecting that. In fact,

889
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: I don't expect any any awards or anything like that,

890
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: anything like that that I've ever gotten. I wasn't expecting it,

891
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: because you know, it's just icing, because you know, like

892
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: I said, I'm just blessed man, unfortunate. I get a

893
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: chance to live my life doing something that I absolutely love,

894
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: have a job that I look forward to going to.

895
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: Because we were getting ready to go out, let's see

896
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: next week, the end of next week, and we've been

897
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: off now since December, so I'm ready.

898
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: Have you ever done anything else like as an occupation

899
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: as it always because you said.

900
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: You started that? Ever? You mean ever, have you ever

901
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: had another job?

902
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: I've had every job you can think of it.

903
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

904
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 2: Look, my mom passed when I was ten, Like I said, Okay,

905
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: so my my oldest sister came back to live in

906
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: the house. And when she came to live in the house,

907
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: she already had six kids. She ended up having ten kids. Man,

908
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: so there was like eleven of us. So my brother

909
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: in law, who I love, I can't tell you how

910
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: I felt about him. He's gone now. But he was

911
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: my man because my sister came and I had another

912
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: sister who was younger than her, and she didn't have

913
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: no kids. And she could have said, okay, well I'm

914
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take my brother, and but my older sister

915
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 2: who had all those kids, say I'm taking my brother,

916
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: you know. And he could have said, no, you ain't

917
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: I all these kids who work. But he treated me

918
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: like I was his own son, you know what I mean.

919
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: He never ever made any difference between any of us.

920
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: You know.

921
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: So But anyway, she ended up having ten kids. So

922
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: now I was eleven. There's no way from the time

923
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: I was ten years old.

924
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna go with my brother.

925
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: La'll say, hey, man, you got fifty cent or you

926
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: got a dial or something like that. There was an

927
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,959
Speaker 2: old Jewish man had a grocery store around the corner.

928
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: At the time, the neighborhood was just passing over, you know,

929
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: black people just taking over. The still a few Jewish

930
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: people in the neighborhood named mister Hackerman. So I went

931
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: around there was ten years old. I said, mister Hackerman,

932
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: could you give me a job? They call me smoking Joe.

933
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: At the time, everybody in the neighborhood called me smoke

934
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: at Joe.

935
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: Why did they call you smoking?

936
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: They call me smoke at Joe because I had an uncle,

937
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 2: my uncle Claud. He was also my godfather. And when

938
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 2: I was three or four years old, if you ask

939
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: me what I wanted to be, I would tell your

940
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: cowboy because I loved cowboys, you know. So my uncle

941
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: Claud used to take me to see cowboy movies and

942
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: I especially left the ones who sang Dean Autry, Roy Rogers.

943
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: They had guitars and they saying and so I loved them.

944
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: Man.

945
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: So he had a cowboy name for me, smoking Joe.

946
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: If anybody asked me what my name was back in

947
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: those days, my name is smoking Joe.

948
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: We need cowboy names, give us cowboy nassy before the

949
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: day is over.

950
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: I need a cowboy name.

951
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, so smoke at Joe. And uh so, everybody,

952
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: including my teachers, until I was about twelve years old

953
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: or so, called me smoking Joe. Okay. And then when

954
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: I got to be about twelve, so they dropped the

955
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: Joe off. I guess that was long and drawing off

956
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 2: for them, and I just became smoky. And people think

957
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: that I became that after I got in show business,

958
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: I named myself Smokey Robinson. But that's been my name

959
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: all my.

960
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: Life, you know.

961
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so uh yeah, and so anyway, he had this

962
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 2: cowboy name for me. It was, which is Smoky Joe,

963
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: and that's what people called me. So I loved the

964
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: cowboys and saying. So if you asked me what I

965
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: wanted to be until I got to be about eight

966
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: or nine years old, I will tell you I wanted

967
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: to be a cowboy boy. I want to be a

968
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: cowboy because that's my that's my goal, be a cowboy

969
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: and be a cowboy that sings and have a horse.

970
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: That's what.

971
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: Detroit, you know. But then when I got to be

972
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: about like I said, after my mom passed when I

973
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 2: was ten and all that, I've always been heavily into sports.

974
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 2: And I played football and basketball for my high school

975
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: and in the summertime, I played summer league baseball, which

976
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: at that time was my favorite sport at the time,

977
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, because and I loved baseball, and I'm not bragging,

978
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: I could really play baseball pretty good. And I thought

979
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: that I was going to be a baseball player. I thought, Okay,

980
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to pursue this. I'm going to be a

981
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 2: baseball player. And I think about it now and if

982
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: I had been the greatest baseball player in the history

983
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: of the game since they came up with baseball, the

984
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 2: greatest person to ever pick up a batter or a

985
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: glove or a ball, if I had been that person,

986
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: my career would have been over fifty years ago. You

987
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: know what, I'm fifty years ago, man, because you know

988
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: I think about in sportsman, you get old fast. A Kareem,

989
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 2: who is my brother. Kareem called me. He's getting ready

990
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: to retire from the Lakers. And I had sang the

991
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: national anthem at the World Series in Boston and he

992
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 2: saw me. So I said after that, I'm never gonna

993
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: sing it again. I'm never gonna sing the national anthem

994
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: for a sports event again. I did it. That's what

995
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: I wanted it. So Kareem called me. He say, Man,

996
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: he said, I'm gonna reay retire. He said, So, I'm

997
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: retiring this this Saturday night, and then they're doing a

998
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: big thing for me at the at the game, and

999
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: I won't you come down sing the national anthem? I said, Kareem, Man,

1000
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: you know, I said, when he said, man, this is me,

1001
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: come on down sing national anthem. So I said, okay,

1002
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: So I get down there all in the forum and

1003
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: shit like that. This signs up on the old man.

1004
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: The old man is retired.

1005
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: And they ring like a rocket share the old man.

1006
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: Is retiring on this was thirty three.

1007
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: Fuck.

1008
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1009
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: I always would retire.

1010
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: Three three. He was old man, you know, so wow wow.

1011
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: If I mean, if we're just looking, Kareem looks sixty two. Hey,

1012
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, Kareem no karate, I love Korea. You shot

1013
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: get your head. But back in those days, like guys

1014
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: that went to high school, they look like grown men

1015
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: with full families, and the look was just different when

1016
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: until you said it, I had never put a number

1017
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: on it. You know, when I was a kid, I

1018
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 1: thought Kareem.

1019
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: Was especially having all the scoring records everything you said,

1020
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: thirty three, it is wow wow, But that's reality. Yeah,

1021
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 3: And like you said, even if you're the best of

1022
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 3: the best at something, I mean, like Lebron is now forty,

1023
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 3: but people acting like that is.

1024
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 2: He's but even in that, yeah, how many more.

1025
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: Hits did you have after forty?

1026
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like you still had ha,

1027
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 3: you know, just the record you have.

1028
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know another thing about it is that

1029
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: and like I told you guys this earlier in this

1030
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: in this interview and the talk we're going on at

1031
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: the end of the next week. And I'm looking if

1032
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 2: I can't wait and I'm eighty five, still doing it.

1033
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: You're eighty five? Yeah, oh, let me think.

1034
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: Five. You say that and I can't wait.

1035
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: Listen eighty five. Yeah, And I want to get I

1036
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: want to make sure just we just we touch on

1037
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: this too, because we have to touch on this. Now.

1038
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: You have a residency, yeah, yes, at the Venetian. Yeah.

1039
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: Can you get us a room? I mean you got

1040
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: to hook up your little little little player price for

1041
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: the room. Like people like like y'all want to come,

1042
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: we do well because like when you get there, it's

1043
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: like what you set out for your music to be.

1044
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: That is the place where that statement is made because

1045
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: that is that is all walks of life.

1046
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to tell you something about that too.

1047
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: This is not my first residency in Vegas. I've been

1048
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: having residencies in Vegas since nineteen eighty you know what.

1049
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: Pop yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, I want

1050
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: to tell you how that happened, mat because I never

1051
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: really wanted to play Las Vegas.

1052
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: I never really wanted to play that because the first

1053
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: actor we ever had to play Las Vegas was the Supremes,

1054
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 2: and then we had the Temptations and they played it,

1055
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: and of course I went to see both of them

1056
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: while they were playing there. And back in those days,

1057
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: your least amount of time that you could be booked

1058
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas for something like that for a residency

1059
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: was a month four weeks. You worked every night of

1060
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: the week, with the exception of Monday, and you did

1061
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: two shows a night, sometimes on Saturday. Every other Saturday

1062
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: you did three because there was a breakfast show you

1063
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: did that. It was a slave house. As far as

1064
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: I was concerned, Las Vegas was someone, you know, shit,

1065
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to play here. I am not going

1066
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: to play it. And then they had to kind of

1067
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 2: change what they were singing and singing, you know, top

1068
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: hat and cane kind of music and some some of

1069
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: those kind of songs, you know, and I don't wanted

1070
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: to do that. So my agent called me in nineteen

1071
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: eighty they said, hey, man, you want to play Vegas.

1072
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: I said no, I told you, I don't want to

1073
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: play Vegas. He said, no, I got a different deal

1074
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: for you. He said, Dean Martin, he's playing at the MGM,

1075
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: and he's got two shows a night like everybody else.

1076
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: He's gonna do the eight thirty show, but he don't

1077
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: want to do the eleven o'clock show. So you want

1078
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: to go and you can just do the eleven o'clock show.

1079
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: He's to be one show a night. I said, yeah,

1080
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: he's saying you can sing your own music. When I said, okay, cool.

1081
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: So that was my first time going and doing a

1082
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: residency in Las Vegas. So but I played it where

1083
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: in Vegas? Man, that was at the MGM. Now, my

1084
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: main residency was at the Desert End. Steve win brought it.

1085
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: Now it's the Wind Hotel. Okay, but I was there.

1086
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: I had residents there for four years, you know, and

1087
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: so he you know, he bought the hotel, change up everything.

1088
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: So now, for a while, Vegas was considered and I

1089
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: would tell young young X about going to play Vegas

1090
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: and they said, no, man, I want to play that.

1091
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: It's the graveyard because that's what it had become because

1092
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: Steve Winn and some of the other powers that be

1093
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas had started buying up. They bought up

1094
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: all the golf courses and I played golf. They Barbalo,

1095
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: and they were trying to make Vegas into a family

1096
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: town because they wanted the money from the from the

1097
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: average dude lived in the neighborhood. And they were, you know,

1098
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: high rollers came there. When I first started play Vegas

1099
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: Man in nineteen eighty, people came there, came to the

1100
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: show in tuxedos and laid hand them downs and shit

1101
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: like that. You know, it's high rollers and that's what

1102
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 2: that's who was coming to those shows and stuff, you know.

1103
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: And there was a name act at every hotel on

1104
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: the strip at that time, Lizman, Nelly and this. Rather

1105
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: there's a name making every hotel. So it changed because

1106
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: they tried to make it a family town because they

1107
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: wanted that money from the guy who lived in the

1108
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: average neighborhood. They weren't satisfied with just getting money from

1109
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: the high road people had it, but they wanted them

1110
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: to be able to bring his kids there and while

1111
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: he gambled, they could have a theme park or some

1112
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: shit like that. So they started doing that and they

1113
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: killed Vegas Vegas just went into the dodrooms. You know,

1114
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: people stopped coming. They killed it, you know, But now

1115
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: it's back again, and you know, all the young people

1116
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: are playing there. I can't wait to see new addition

1117
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: because they said, they told me that they're just racking

1118
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: it back out there here, So I can't wait to see.

1119
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: And I have a home in Vegas also, so I'm

1120
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: gonna go see them when I go home to Vegas.

1121
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: But everybody's playing there again now, and it's it's alive

1122
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: again now. So I have the residency now at the Venetian,

1123
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: and I'm really happy about that too, because as far

1124
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, the Venetian is the most beautiful room

1125
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, just like a miniature Cartergate Hall or

1126
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: something like that, you know there.

1127
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: So it's just the Venetian, are you talking about, like

1128
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 3: the main suite, actual theater, theater?

1129
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: I thought it was the Venetian showroom?

1130
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: Is it? I think so? But you performing there, so

1131
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: you believe anything else.

1132
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: What's the date for April third fifth and six.

1133
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: Third fifth and six. I'm putting that in my I'm

1134
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: putting that in my calendar.

1135
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 3: Come on down, Yeah, I need I need to be there.

1136
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: I got to say, brother eighty five, you look a

1137
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: thank you, vin what you're doing? You juicing?

1138
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: Like?

1139
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: What what you got going on here? What's the health?

1140
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: What's the regiment? Baby?

1141
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 2: You know? I tell people that I think the main

1142
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: thing that's happened for me, man, and this once again

1143
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: one of those things that I didn't intend to happen,

1144
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: but it did. God has led me in so many

1145
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: different directions man, that I didn't intend to go because

1146
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 2: I've been doing yoga, like I said, for fifty years.

1147
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: Fifty Yes, yoga is one of the best things that

1148
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: anyone can do for their lives. Really, yes, Why because

1149
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: as you get older, you start to shrink, and I

1150
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: mean you shrink, and this is no bullshit, you actually shrink.

1151
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: I used to be six feet tall, Okay.

1152
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: You used to be six feet tell yes, when I.

1153
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: Was playing basketball and football, shitting in high school and

1154
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then for a long time after

1155
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: the miracles, and I was going on until I was

1156
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: probably about forty or fifty. Then you just start to

1157
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: come down. I don't know why, but I say, now,

1158
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: yoga there's a fluid that flows from the base of

1159
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: your spine to the base of your brain, and in men,

1160
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: as you get older, it starts to slow down, which

1161
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: gives you arthritis or what you know, cramps and all

1162
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 2: stuff like that makes you stiffen and shrink. Okay, when

1163
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: you see old guys and you see that you just

1164
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: scoliosis and all that kind of stuff like that, those

1165
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: are things that you have to combat. Okay. So yoga

1166
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: keeps your body and your muscles and your veins and

1167
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: all the keeps the blood flowing, keeps his fluid flowing,

1168
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 2: It keeps your body, keeps your muscles uh loose or

1169
01:02:55,720 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: limber like, keeps you keeping and it's just so good

1170
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: for your health to keep that happening like that. But

1171
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: like I said, also now, I've always been active. So

1172
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: every other day I lift my weights and I I'm

1173
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: back to doing something too that I hadn't done in

1174
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: a long time. I'm doing some chin ups now. Because

1175
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: when I was when I was, when I was younger man,

1176
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: especially when I was playing sports, I could do fifteen

1177
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 2: twenty chips man. And so one day I go down

1178
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: to the gym, and this is probably about two months ago,

1179
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 2: and I said, well, I guess I do my five chinups.

1180
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: I did one. Well that's one y one?

1181
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: Are you the only person with two stars on a

1182
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: walker than.

1183
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: As far as I know, miracles and singular?

1184
01:03:54,680 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah and solo? Maybe you're Michael Jackson, because did Jackson?

1185
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: I should be.

1186
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, they should be Yeah you Mike Yeah.

1187
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: Kennedy Center Honoree, Library of Congress, Gershwin Prize a Popular Song?

1188
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: What happened to you? Done that?

1189
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: You want to do? You know what I'd like to do? Man,

1190
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: I'd like to have a really nice part in a

1191
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: really nice movie. I don't mean star in the movie

1192
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: or nothing like that, but I'd like to do that.

1193
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: You know what, do you see yourself as a villain

1194
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: or you want to say the day? Are you a llawyer?

1195
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: I don't care if it is a nice part, it

1196
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: doesn't matter that.

1197
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: Come on, come get the young man. Let him be

1198
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: a instructor.

1199
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 2: My brother, straight young you know what you be doing?

1200
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: Yoga? But he guilt James two weeks ago?

1201
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 2: Oh Freddy dead? You know he killed him.

1202
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: So you never got in any of the Motown movies. No,

1203
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: you guys were making them. No, you really was against it.

1204
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: You were like, I'm cool, No, no, no, no, no, I

1205
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: wasn't I wasn't against it, but there see those movies

1206
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: were we were focusing on Diana. Yeah, you know, so

1207
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: that was that was what happened with that. I don't

1208
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: think any of the Motown people were in those movies.

1209
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 2: They're just her and Billy d Yeah.

1210
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: When I when I think about.

1211
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: That, yeah, wow, I never thought of it like that. Yeah,

1212
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 3: only other only other Motown artists that was in the

1213
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 3: Wiz obviously was her and Mike.

1214
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: It was her. Wow, yep, y'all cook Man, y'all, y'all

1215
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: you guys. And it's the formula is I mean, it's

1216
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: just as real as it gets. I mean, it starts

1217
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: with you know, it's the music and how the music

1218
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: is made. It's rating it with the best of the

1219
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: best doing the best work together. It's the best musicians,

1220
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: it's the best conductors, it's the best songwriters, the best

1221
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: like it's all of these things that come together that

1222
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: I think it is so different now, you know what

1223
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like the idea of but I feel like

1224
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: it's coming back of Like even with my kids, my

1225
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: daughters and her listening to older sounding music, you know,

1226
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: wanting to see older sounding bands because a lot of

1227
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: these new new bands like Overseas and all over the place,

1228
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: like they're grabbing the Motown formula to make their music.

1229
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: It's very nostalgic, very nostalgic, and it's it's it's just

1230
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,959
Speaker 1: stood the test of time in a way where it's

1231
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: just like I mean, I don't think there will ever

1232
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: be another Motown.

1233
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: I don't either. Yeah, I doubt that seriously. You know

1234
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: the times and that we live in now, we're not

1235
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: allowed that anyway.

1236
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 3: So because so many people just want to be buried,

1237
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: like you got to let bury be buried and then

1238
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 3: every and you lets smokey be smoky. I think people

1239
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:26,919
Speaker 3: now I felt like you guys, competition was healthy. Yes, yeah,

1240
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 3: the competition isn't as healthy anymore.

1241
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: No, No, people.

1242
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: Want each other spots. They don't want to work together,

1243
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: killing each other killing right instead of working with each other.

1244
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 3: Like people look at Thank and I and get surprised

1245
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 3: that we've been working together for so long, and I'm like, why,

1246
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 3: it's my guy, it's my brother, Yes, Like I don't

1247
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 3: see no other way. But it's it's so much of

1248
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 3: a rarity now, especially like you said, you guys would

1249
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 3: come off of fifty one City tour and then fifty

1250
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 3: one and go right back to Hitsville and hang out.

1251
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that's amazing.

1252
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 3: But before you go there, because you know, I got

1253
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: you know, I listen, I am known for the foolishness.

1254
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: So I gotta asked.

1255
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 3: You know, smokey, don't don't, don't yoga me, don't punch

1256
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 3: me an eye.

1257
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: I gotta ask about gang banging. I gotta ask about

1258
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: gag banging.

1259
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 3: It's it's such a viral thing in the hood that

1260
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 3: we all randomly just bust out start singing all the time.

1261
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: I hope, so, yeah, I hope so because when you're

1262
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: listen to what it's saying, it's a it's a it's.

1263
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: A message, very serious song.

1264
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: It's a serious message. As I was doing a spiritual

1265
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: album at the time, and I was writing spiritual songs

1266
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 2: and gang banging it has a very important message because,

1267
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 2: like I said, or some see gang banging hatred itself.

1268
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: It's the most ridiculous, uncalled for, absurd emotion that we

1269
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 2: have as men. You know, it's it's it's it's such

1270
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: a it's such a shame because of the fact that

1271
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 2: many times I've said this, I wish we could be

1272
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: attacked by Zetra, you know, some planet from out of

1273
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 2: space or something like that, and we would be attacked

1274
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: by them, and we have a four or five day

1275
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: war which we would win. Or to give us a

1276
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 2: chance to see they were all fucking earthlings. We're all

1277
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 2: the same. We have different colored skin, we have different

1278
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: color eyes, and different textures of hair and a but

1279
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 2: we're human beings. And you don't get no bigger than that.

1280
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: You don't get no better than that, and you don't

1281
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 2: get no better than anybody else who is a human being,

1282
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 2: you know. So for men to be hating on each

1283
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: other because of the color of this, because of some

1284
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: religious belief, or because of any reason, it is absolutely absurd,

1285
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 2: you know. So gang banging is that message. And like

1286
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 2: I said, you don't even know where it started. You

1287
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 2: have no idea where that shit started. All you know

1288
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: is you grew up and somebody told you to hate

1289
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 2: this person. Somebody told you to hate him because he

1290
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 2: lives on that side of the tracks, or he lives

1291
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 2: in this block and you live in it. Or he

1292
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 2: got on red and you got on blue. Somebody told

1293
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,839
Speaker 2: you to hate him. Why do you hate well, because

1294
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: that's the tradition. That's where it came down like that.

1295
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to hate him because it came down from

1296
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: your great great great great grandfather started some shit like that.

1297
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,959
Speaker 2: And you haven't come to your senses enough to see

1298
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 2: that we're all human beings or the same thing. If

1299
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 2: you skinned everybody alive, you would know who was. All

1300
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 2: of our veins are in the same place. Our hearts

1301
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 2: are kidneys, you know what I mean. We're gonna hate

1302
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 2: on somebody because outwardly they're different. Bullshit, And it's ridiculous.

1303
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:23,879
Speaker 2: It's the most ridiculous emotion that we can have as people. However,

1304
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 2: it's being combated by love, which is the most powerful.

1305
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: Even those who are like the ones I just mentioned,

1306
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: those who are hating, they hate calling themselves loving something

1307
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: to hate for I hate you because you're black, I'm white.

1308
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: I love my race. So that's a love thing happening.

1309
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: But I hate you, well, I hate so and so

1310
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 2: on and so on and so because see they hate

1311
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: for protecting. They call it that's protective love. But it

1312
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: is a form of love. They're loving something that gives

1313
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 2: them the reason or the excuse for hating something else.

1314
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 2: So but we need to get that together because you know,

1315
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 2: and especially here in the United States, we need to

1316
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 2: get that together. Every powerful nation that there's ever been

1317
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 2: in the history of Earth has fallen from within and

1318
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 2: about war about somebody can want with taking this ship.

1319
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 2: It's about us killing ourselves within. Like every other powerful

1320
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 2: nation in the history of mankind. You know, they've all

1321
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: fallen from within because somebody gets the notion that they're

1322
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:45,839
Speaker 2: better than somebody else.

1323
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: Or you know how don't create the hate. Wow, brother

1324
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: Smoky Robinson, this is the top five? Who are your

1325
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: top five R and B singer?

1326
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I have to be retro on you man.

1327
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: Let's go come, Let's go on.

1328
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 2: Jackie Wilson, Sam Cook, Yes, rach y'all, Clyde McPhatter, and

1329
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:16,719
Speaker 2: Nolan Strong.

1330
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: Oh going there? Five.

1331
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 2: Do you know who Nolan Strong was?

1332
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: I do not know who knows.

1333
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 2: Nolan Strong was a guy in Detroit. He had a

1334
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 2: group called the Diablos and they were the group in Detroit.

1335
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,919
Speaker 2: They made records, you know, they had a song called Audios,

1336
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: My Desert, Love and the Wind and all those songs

1337
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 2: like that. But he was a high tenor singer. So

1338
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: all those guys, those were my singing itols as a

1339
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 2: kid growing up man, And like I said, Jackiet was

1340
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: number one Jackie. I think about Michael Jackson and when

1341
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 2: I first saw him, he was like ten years old.

1342
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,799
Speaker 2: He was like a little manager. But I called him

1343
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 2: Jackie Brown because he was a cross between Jackie Wilson

1344
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 2: and James Brown. And he was doing them, I mean

1345
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: doing them. He's ten years old, And I think about Michael,

1346
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: and Michael was so extremely talented. You know, when you

1347
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: look at Michael, Michael changed the look of show business.

1348
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 2: He changed the entire look of show business. Because all

1349
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 2: the kids nowadays are dancing with the dancers on the

1350
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 2: stage and this and that and other. Michael started that.

1351
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 2: Michael was on stage with thirty dancers who had been

1352
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: dancing since they were five years old. There was the

1353
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: profession that's what they did professionally, and he was out

1354
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 2: dancing all of them.

1355
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 3: So before Mike, I ain't never thought about that. Before Michael,

1356
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: you were in the group. He was the dancers that

1357
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 3: were dancing when you were your group member.

1358
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: Yea.

1359
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1360
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson come along and hires and hires professional dancing.

1361
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 2: And changed the look of show business. All the kids

1362
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 2: started doing the same thing. You know what I mean.

1363
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: He was a very brilliant thinking young man to be

1364
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: his age, you know, because not only did he look

1365
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 2: at the top R and B guys like Jackie Wilson,

1366
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 2: and he studied Fred Astare absolute Yeah, the Nicholas brothers. Yeah,

1367
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: I think about that all the time. You know, Michael

1368
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 2: did the moonwalk on Mojohn twenty five and people say.

1369
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: Oh, he made that up.

1370
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. The Nicholas brothers did that in Stormy Weather,

1371
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 2: which was a movie with Lena Horn. You guys know

1372
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 2: who Lena Horn wast Okay, So Lena Horton made a

1373
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 2: movie back in the day in the forties, you know,

1374
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 2: maybe before I was even more, called Stormy Weather, and

1375
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 2: the Nicholas brothers were in there and they did the

1376
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: moonwalk in that movie. So you know he studied everybody, man.

1377
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just were you there the day they

1378
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 1: came in auditioned?

1379
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1380
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah at that point you were. You were a an

1381
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 3: R at the label light, a vice presidents the whole time. Yeah,

1382
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 3: So I was, what do you what do you say

1383
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 3: when y'all get back into the war room in the

1384
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 3: creative room after the Jacksons that performing. You see this

1385
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 3: kid perform for you guys like.

1386
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: Like, what was that? What is the like, Yeah, what's

1387
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: the conversation after you see that?

1388
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: Well, the fact that we knew that we had something phenomenal,

1389
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 2: you know, for those boys to be their age, the

1390
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: age that they were, especially Michael, and to be that talented,

1391
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: we knew that we were onto something really good because, uh,

1392
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 2: you know, and Michael turned out to be I guess

1393
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: the most renowned.

1394
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: Artists ever ever.

1395
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, do you immediately start hearing songs as

1396
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 3: a songwriter when you see them, You're like, Okay, I'm

1397
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 3: all right.

1398
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: No, man, I not for them, you know. I wasn't

1399
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 2: even really thinking about recording anything on them. However, thanks

1400
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 2: to Michael Jackson or whoever decided they were going to

1401
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: do that, Michael took one of my songs and now

1402
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 2: it's his song. I wrote a song I was probably

1403
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 2: about twenty one years old.

1404
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,440
Speaker 1: Cause Who's Loving You?

1405
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 2: Who's Loving You was on the other side of shop

1406
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 2: Around in fact, you know, and after shop Around they

1407
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 2: had warned it out on the radio and something like that.

1408
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 2: They started to play Who's Loving You by the Miracles

1409
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: of Me, and it was a slight hit.

1410
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1411
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: So, Now, like I said, when I wrote that song,

1412
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 2: I had to be at least twenty or twenty one.

1413
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 2: I had had some life experience. I was married, I

1414
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: had some life experience. You know, here comes a little

1415
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 2: dude eleven years old. I know, damn well, you don't

1416
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: even know what that song is talking about, you know

1417
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: what I'm saying and singing to the point whereas now

1418
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: it's his song. You you know what I'm saying. If I

1419
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: do a smidgeing of it in person and young people there,

1420
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 2: they come to me and why are you singing Michael

1421
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 2: Jackson's song, because that's whose song it is? Now baby,

1422
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 2: thank god? Because he made it a standard. Yeah yeah,

1423
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 2: and everybody that you hear singing and now sings it

1424
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 2: like Michael. You know, so thank god he recorded it.

1425
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: But like I said, here's a little due eleven years old.

1426
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 2: He don't even fuck he's singing about and sing it

1427
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 2: like that.

1428
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 3: You know, my whole life, I thought you wrote it

1429
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 3: for the Jackson See, I'm like I knew you wrote.

1430
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you wrote it for them.

1431
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: Well apparently I did without I did, but not even

1432
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 2: knowing it.

1433
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: Okay, brother Smoky your top five R and B songs.

1434
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 2: You know something, man, I cannot possibly tell you what

1435
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: my top five R and B songs are, any songs whatsoever, Because,

1436
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 2: like I said earlier.

1437
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 1: Do it, I grew up.

1438
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 2: I grew up in a home where I got a

1439
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: great dose of all kinds of music you can think of.

1440
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 2: I am a song lover. Well, how about I love songs.

1441
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: If I could tell you my top five songs, there

1442
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 2: would probably be songs that I had absolutely nothing to

1443
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 2: do with ever in life. I don't know, because I

1444
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 2: love songs. I'm a song lover. I have loved songs

1445
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 2: since I could hear. You know, I've been listening to

1446
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 2: songs and music. The first voice I ever remember hearing

1447
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: in my life was Sarah, and I forgot what songs

1448
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: she were singing is whatever it was because my sister

1449
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 2: were playing her. I had to be two or three

1450
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 2: years old. But that's the first voice I ever remember hearing.

1451
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: So I've been hearing songs all my life. I love songs.

1452
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 2: I can't tell you what my favorite songs are. I

1453
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 2: can tell you my favorite album, Ok, my favorite album

1454
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 2: of all time is What's Going On by Marvin Gaye.

1455
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: I have a front row seat to that album. I

1456
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 2: was with him when he was writing it. I be

1457
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: at his house he's writing it, and he said to me, smoke,

1458
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 2: I ain't writing this album. Man, God is writing this album.

1459
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting here. I'm the catalyst, and God is

1460
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 2: writing this album. When I listen to what's going on.

1461
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 2: I believe him because it's prophecy. It's more poigned today

1462
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 2: than it was when he wrote it than it was

1463
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 2: when it came out. It was pointed, but it's more

1464
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 2: pointed today then it was then. Everything that he's talking

1465
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: about it's happening right now in abundance. Okay, it's my

1466
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 2: favorite album of all time. I haven't heard anything that

1467
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 2: I thought matched it as an album.

1468
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: All the songs off that.

1469
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 2: Album absolutely absolutely.

1470
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: Let's make a Vultron a super R and B artist, right,

1471
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: We're going to take characteristics from any artist that has

1472
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: ever lived and build one super artist. So we want

1473
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: to know who you're going to get the vocal from,

1474
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: the performance style, the styling of the artist, the passion

1475
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: of the artists, and for you special for you, who's

1476
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: going to write for this artist? The first guys and girls,

1477
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: it's your world. It can make. You can do whatever

1478
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: you need. One vocal, that's.

1479
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I got the vocal. What else do I need?

1480
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: Perform style?

1481
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 2: Performance style that would have to be Michael Jackson.

1482
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you're versed in.

1483
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: Between Michael Jackson and Jackie Wilson, it would be.

1484
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Michael Wilson. Okay, yeah. Uh. Styling, the style

1485
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: of the strip, the clothing apparel.

1486
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: Well, you know, back in the day, the Miracles not

1487
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 2: a real sharp.

1488
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: We were real shure. You know.

1489
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 2: We decided, you know where we came from. We decided,

1490
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: when we finally got some money and make some money,

1491
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 2: we were gonna get ourselves some clothes because the first

1492
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 2: we didn't have no clothes. So we were real sharp.

1493
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: So we have to be up and there.

1494
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: Some styling, the miracles, the passion of the artists who

1495
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: mean it.

1496
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 2: Well, I think that probably every artist that I've ever

1497
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 2: known and never close to has that. Man, if you don't,

1498
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna make it. You don't have that, you

1499
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 2: are not going to make it. There are too many

1500
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 2: people with it who are not making it, you know

1501
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: what I mean. So if you don't have it, it's

1502
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 2: almost impossible for you to make it. I've told many

1503
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 2: a young artist that you know, you think you can sing,

1504
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 2: let me take you to my church on Sunday. You're

1505
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: her sister Maybell Clanton. Yeah, you ain't never heard of life?

1506
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 2: Who were seeing you under the table? You know what

1507
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: I mean? She mean it absolutely so you know, but

1508
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 2: if you don't have that, man, you're not going to

1509
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 2: make it. And like I said, many artists have it

1510
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: and they're not going.

1511
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: To make it. Give me one that has.

1512
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: Just pick one that has what you're talking about.

1513
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: Now that you've seen you're just like, oh yeah, they

1514
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: got the passion.

1515
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 2: Damn everybody I know, man, have to be a new artist.

1516
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 2: Like I said, Man, I'm not kidding. Everybody has that,

1517
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: especially the people who you're aware of the they have

1518
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 2: that basically. Man. Now, there are a few people who

1519
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 2: have always gotten by without it. You know, there are

1520
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 2: people who've gotten by that had some songs that I

1521
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 2: didn't think was you know, with the world loved it.

1522
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 2: So there you go. So there are people who've gotten

1523
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: by without it. But most people have that passion, and

1524
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: especially nowadays, you know, you look online and there's a

1525
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: million kids online, man, that have that passion. That's struggling

1526
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 2: trying to get just their voices heard or something. That's

1527
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: why it's so difficult nowadays that first of all, there's

1528
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 2: no record business. That's out of the question, and there's

1529
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 2: so many you know, people downloading and taking people's music

1530
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: free and doing all the things that are happening now.

1531
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 2: It's a whole other world. But the passion.

1532
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 6: Is there.

1533
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 2: I look at some of these kids online. I don't

1534
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: know why, but he's done anything. Yes, I do, because

1535
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 2: you can't. Because I've got two singers I've been working

1536
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 2: with for the last five years. I can't get it.

1537
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 2: I can't get a break to at a bomb and

1538
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 2: one girl writes songs like Gershwin. You know what I'm saying.

1539
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: I can't get a break for nothing. Because there's so

1540
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 2: many people doing it, and there's so much passion out there,

1541
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 2: and so many challenged people see it. It's a different

1542
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 2: world because challenged people can just play themselves now. They

1543
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,799
Speaker 2: don't have to wait for a record company or anybody.

1544
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 2: They can just put their own selves out there. So

1545
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 2: there's thousands of them.

1546
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: So the way the way you build, the way you

1547
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 1: build the artists just pick one. You don't have to

1548
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: be a favorite passion I just just wanted to build them,

1549
01:24:55,479 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: to build a d this build them building smoke, come

1550
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: on smoking just what Oh my goodness, you ain't gonna

1551
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: urt nobody feeling smoke, I promise. Oh there it is there,

1552
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: we got we got my fashion. Oh listen, Yes, yes, sir.

1553
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 2: Marvin Gay was one of the most passionate people I've

1554
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: ever known. I've ever worked with him, you know.

1555
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. When you said

1556
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: you were you know, you were with Martha during this

1557
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: whole time of the What's going On album and God

1558
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: is writing his album? Did you contribute any to that

1559
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: or you were there just watching it happen?

1560
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 2: How was there just watching it happen. I didn't contribute

1561
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 2: anything to it, you know, just my listening, you know,

1562
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 2: giving him an ear. But I didn't contribute. I didn't

1563
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 2: make suggestions. I didn't do any of that because it

1564
01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 2: was happening. It was happening, and Marvin was one of

1565
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 2: the greatest singers I think they ever sang.

1566
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1567
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 2: I used to love working with him because Marburn was

1568
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 2: always late.

1569
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: Man.

1570
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 2: He was my brother, but that dude was late for everything, man,

1571
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 2: all the time. He got to the point whereas if

1572
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 2: I had a session with Marvin and my session was

1573
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: gonna start eight o'clock, I tell Marvin, man, session starts

1574
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 2: at six thirty so, and then he'd still be late.

1575
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: He wouldn't get that to nine. You know when he

1576
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 2: goes oh smoke man. I saw him in certain system,

1577
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:32,480
Speaker 2: but I knew that when he got there and I showed.

1578
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: Him my song Man going down boy.

1579
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 2: I used to tell them all the time he marvurnized

1580
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 2: my songs. You know what I'm saying, because this brother

1581
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 2: would do shit vocally. I hadn't even dared to dream

1582
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: of on my song. But like he knew it before

1583
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: he got there. You know what I'm saying.

1584
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: When he got to Motown because he's from d C.

1585
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 2: He's from d C. When he first came to Motown.

1586
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 2: Let's see, gosh, he was brother. He was in this

1587
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 2: in his late twenties.

1588
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: He was already in his late twenties when he got

1589
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: to Motown.

1590
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he came late.

1591
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: Didn't know that, Yeah, he came late.

1592
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: There was a dude named Harvey Fuquah. You guys know

1593
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 2: who Harry Fulkat was harm Fukuh. There was a group

1594
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 2: called the Moon Glows, and back in the day, they

1595
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 2: were like the group in the hood. Okay, a lot

1596
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 2: of groups, man, but the Moon Glows. So Harvey Fuka

1597
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 2: was the founder of that group, and so I've been

1598
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: following his music since I was a kid, since I

1599
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,879
Speaker 2: was ten years old, you know. And anyway, so eventually

1600
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 2: he came to work at Motown and he still had

1601
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 2: this group, the Moon Glows, and one of his members

1602
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 2: had left, so he wanted to hire another member. So

1603
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 2: they were in Washington, DC, said, and Marvin came and

1604
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: sang for him. So he hired Marvin. Marvin's a new

1605
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 2: Moon Glow. So we're having a Christmas party one year,

1606
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 2: and he brought Marvin to the Christmas party and so

1607
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 2: we're down in the Hitsville studio and stuff like that.

1608
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: That's what the main stuff that people all over the

1609
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 2: Hissfield building. But a lot of people gathered in the

1610
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 2: studio where all the instruments were blah blah blah, just

1611
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 2: mingling and having a good time. So Marvin goes over

1612
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 2: to the piano and he sits down and he starts

1613
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 2: playing the Christmas song and singing it chest Nuts roast.

1614
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 2: So he gathers the crowd, everybody starts because his voice

1615
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 2: was just one of the crowd gathering voices. So him

1616
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 2: back gets around in me saying it. And so Anna,

1617
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 2: who was Barry's sister, went up to the control and

1618
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: to Barry say, you need to come down here. This guy,

1619
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, because Barry came down heard him and he sang.

1620
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 2: And that was when he first you know, Barry asked

1621
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 2: him if he wanted to come to Motown. He said

1622
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 2: he couldn't because he was the move over. The Harvey

1623
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 2: was standing there. Harvey said, man, you had to come

1624
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 2: to Motown. He said, I even work for Motown. Now,

1625
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 2: you had to come to Motown. So he did. And

1626
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 2: when he first came, he didn't want to be Marvin Gay.

1627
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 2: He wanted to be Nacking Cole Well, Frank Sinatra, somebody

1628
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,839
Speaker 2: like that. That's why, that's how you wanted to sing.

1629
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:11,759
Speaker 2: And so we recorded some mister Sandman.

1630
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: Y'all were doing this type of record and.

1631
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: So finally, man, uh, this dude, Mickey Stevenson who was

1632
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: our first a and our director there. Mickey is still

1633
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Brownie is still my brother. He's the momb guy. He

1634
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: wrote Dancing in the Streets in Marvin But anyway, Mickey

1635
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 2: convinced him to be Marvin Gay because he told me, Sa, man,

1636
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna hits like this. He said, you need

1637
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 2: to sang because you can sang. So they wrote this song,

1638
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 2: Stubborn kind of Fella, and that was the beginning of

1639
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 2: Marvin Gay.

1640
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: You know.

1641
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 2: So Marven, like I said, he come to the studio

1642
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 2: and he just killed your song. Just do some ship

1643
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 2: that you hadn't even thought of. You know. He was

1644
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 2: a great singer.

1645
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: Last quality for you're vault trying who's writing for this

1646
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: artist that you just put together?

1647
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:08,759
Speaker 2: Kenny Edmonds and Dining Warren?

1648
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:20,520
Speaker 6: Hmmm, yeah, the face and dying.

1649
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: Warn Jesus Christ, that is gonna be amazing. Yes, God, Lee,

1650
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for that one. How wasn't hanging out

1651
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: with Rick James a party?

1652
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I got any more trouble with that. But

1653
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: Rick was my brother. Rick was Rick was the bomb

1654
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: to hang out with, man, especially back in those days

1655
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 2: since I was getting high, you know, you know, so

1656
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 2: Rick was, you know, but he was a great dude.

1657
01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: Man was yeall was standing on the.

1658
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 2: Extremely talented man.

1659
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 1: How underrated is he as a vocalist? To me? I

1660
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: think he's one of the girls.

1661
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how they rate him, man, but

1662
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 2: he was just a great talent about him. No, no, no,

1663
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 2: they don't.

1664
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: They talk about him as a rock star.

1665
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Rick was a great talent.

1666
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Man.

1667
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 2: He was a great talent musically.

1668
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 1: He was just yeah, yeah, man.

1669
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 2: But he was a great dude to hang out with. You.

1670
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 2: We had a lot of fun, man, Yeah, we had

1671
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

1672
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: Where did ebony eyes come from?

1673
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I had retired at that time.

1674
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 2: That was during my retirement, and Rick called me, smoke

1675
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 2: come down to the studio, man, I wrote the song,

1676
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 2: What you sing with me? I said, no, Rick, I'm retired. Man,

1677
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 2: I'm not come to man. Come on down there, now,

1678
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 2: you do you come down here and sing with me? Man,

1679
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 2: come on there. So I went and I did it

1680
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 2: and we had a great time. And then we did

1681
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: a mini movie video because we shot it for three

1682
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 2: days all over Los Angeles and I had a film crew.

1683
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 2: We went all over shooting it.

1684
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 1: You high every day at gotta hear record as record.

1685
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Rick was a musical genius.

1686
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 3: Man Smokey Robbins, Smoky Smokey Joe himself the smoke. The

1687
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 3: smoke the Rick James smoking tells us a story funny

1688
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 3: of fucked up, are funny and fucked up. The only

1689
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 3: rule to the game is you can't say no names.

1690
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 2: Okay, when you say funked up, do you mean fucked

1691
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 2: up high or just fun up?

1692
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: Any wherever you would like to go? Wherever you wherever

1693
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: the smoke le.

1694
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll tell you something funny. There's a friend of

1695
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 2: my very very very close friend. He's passed on now,

1696
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 2: but he was my very very very very close friend.

1697
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 2: And we're in the car one day and uh, he's

1698
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 2: reading a comic book, okay, and he's reading a comic

1699
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 2: book about Daffy Duck. Okay, okay, And all of a sudden,

1700
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 2: it was about five of us in the car and

1701
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 2: we we we we didn't even We never let him

1702
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 2: live this down, because all of a sudden his brother

1703
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 2: comes out. He's reading this combook and he.

1704
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:31,440
Speaker 5: Says, boy, man, oh, that Daffie Duck is a smart motherfucker,

1705
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:39,879
Speaker 5: like Daffie Duck had written that.

1706
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 4: Y'all, So how about that? How is that good enough

1707
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:54,480
Speaker 4: for you?

1708
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 2: Daffy Duck is a smart mother.

1709
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:07,839
Speaker 1: There's so many layers to a nigga thinking it's actually

1710
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: is actually articulate greatness. You hear what this nigga da?

1711
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 1: He just said, I'm telling you this nigga's own the something?

1712
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 2: What man? Yes?

1713
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: So how about that Daffy's killing me right now? Yes, indeed,

1714
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: that's amazing. That is that is that is high. That

1715
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: is when when Daffy speaks to you, you know that

1716
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: is never spoke to me.

1717
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 2: I thought that was what else you want to know?

1718
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: It is something, It is something that I do want

1719
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 1: to know.

1720
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 3: And in your your take on it, because you you

1721
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 3: you mentioned it a little bit as far as it

1722
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 3: not being a music business anymore.

1723
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, right. Do you feel that we need gatekeepers again?

1724
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: That is just too open.

1725
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 3: It's just like the fields are just too free for

1726
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 3: all control. Like do you feel like we need gatekeepers again?

1727
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 2: And I feel like we need them, but it will

1728
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:27,679
Speaker 2: never happen and it's too vast, see because it's available

1729
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 2: to everyone, so there's no controlling that. There's no there's

1730
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 2: no there's no coming in putting the control on it,

1731
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 2: you know, like it used to be when they when

1732
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 2: you had record companies. You had record companies and a

1733
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 2: lot of them weren't paying people, but they were still

1734
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 2: record companies where you had a place where you could

1735
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 2: go and know that some type of organization or something

1736
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 2: like that is going to release your music and have

1737
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 2: some kind of keep watch on it and so on

1738
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 2: and so forth. We don't have that anymore, and we

1739
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 2: will never have it because of the computer. You know,

1740
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 2: I really think that the computer will probably be our

1741
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 2: demids eventually later on down in light.

1742
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: In our society.

1743
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because now they're coming out with AI

1744
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 2: and all that ship like that. Whether somebody can do

1745
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,440
Speaker 2: do your not only do your image, do your voice,

1746
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 2: and nobody's gonna know the difference, that's very dangerous man.

1747
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 2: You know. AI is good for technical stuff and stuff

1748
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 2: like that. It's good they made those kinds of advances.

1749
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 2: But when it gets to the point whereas you're cloning people, right,

1750
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 2: that's that's really deep man.

1751
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's real.

1752
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 2: That's scary.

1753
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:37,599
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there is anything that gets us

1754
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 1: even close to the feeling and the space that we

1755
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: were in musically? No, No, I don't think.

1756
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that will ever happen again, like I said,

1757
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 2: because it's too free for all.

1758
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 1: Now.

1759
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 2: Wow, it's too it's too it's too open, it's too available,

1760
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 2: because it's it's it's it's online. Because then make any

1761
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 2: kind of music they want to say whatever they want

1762
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 2: to say. There's no senses, there's you know, there's there's

1763
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,839
Speaker 2: no nothing. So it's just out there. It's just whatever

1764
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 2: happens happens. You know, there's some people and like I say,

1765
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 2: I you know, I listened to young people. I think

1766
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 2: there's some young people making some great music. You know,

1767
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 2: but then the line is open so that the will

1768
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 2: that squeaks gets the oil. So all the the negativity

1769
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 2: is what's put out front. See that bugs me about

1770
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 2: people talking about the kids who rap. You know, they're

1771
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 2: gonna base all rap on some negative rap. You know,

1772
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 2: there are negative songs in every genre you can think of.

1773
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,560
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not classical because there's no words and you

1774
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,600
Speaker 2: can't you can't real with thee but thinking. You know,

1775
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 2: but when I was a kid man, when I was

1776
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 2: a teenager, and I don't know how this could ever happen.

1777
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,720
Speaker 2: I never figured out how you could do it. But

1778
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 2: they said, if you play this record backwards, you're gonna

1779
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 2: get a satanic message.

1780
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 1: Right, you know, all the time. Yeah, because you heard that.

1781
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 2: And there were people making negative music back then. So

1782
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 2: people making negative music since they've been making music. So

1783
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 2: you can't blame that on today's generation and say that

1784
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 2: you know they're they'll make it. It's just the fact

1785
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 2: that there's no census now, you know. I know that.

1786
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 2: Back in the day, Man, we be on the bus

1787
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 2: and we like, we're doing a mototime review or something

1788
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 2: like that, and we've been going on the bus all

1789
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 2: and the guys who were on the bus we were

1790
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 2: laughing talking about Man, you know what, these days, somebody

1791
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 2: can make it. Ready, give me some pussy, and we laughing,

1792
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:40,560
Speaker 2: give me some pussy. It's a nerd lyric nowadays, you

1793
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. That's a nerd Yeah, that's a

1794
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 2: nerd lyric, you know. So it's just that there's no census,

1795
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:54,640
Speaker 2: so people can say anything they want to say and

1796
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 2: it's wide open.

1797
01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 1: You're not necessarily the powers or even the the machine

1798
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 1: itself is not running on music. It's running on engagement.

1799
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 2: It's running on whatever you want to do.

1800
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: How do we get attention? Whatever?

1801
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, man, just make some good music

1802
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 2: because it's going to always be room for it, you know.

1803
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 2: And I think in a way, some of that's kind

1804
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 2: of returning, you know, it's kind of returning to where

1805
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 2: people are listening and they want something milder of something,

1806
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 2: you know, listenable to it.

1807
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, yeah, I think I think people

1808
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: people can only go for so long without feeling or

1809
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: wanting to feel exactly you know what I mean, wanting

1810
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 1: to be loved, wanting to be held, wanting to be appreciated,

1811
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 1: and and when they really want that, they have to

1812
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 1: go back and get it. And that's the power of

1813
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 1: of of what you were able to do.

1814
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:13,679
Speaker 2: What do you think about the people whore knocking Beyonce

1815
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 2: for singing country music?

1816
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 1: I think Beyonce should be able to sing whatever she

1817
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 1: wants she like singing.

1818
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 2: I don't even understand that. I don't even want to

1819
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 2: stand the country artist protesting that, because Beyonce is one

1820
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 2: of the biggest artists on earth, you know what I mean.

1821
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 2: And if she feels enough about your music that she

1822
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,800
Speaker 2: wants to participate in it, why would you protest that.

1823
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 1: But it's also the other part is like a lot

1824
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,760
Speaker 1: of us don't know music history of understanding where it's

1825
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: just it's ridiculous, like they don't want it to go

1826
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 1: back there, like we like we have to hear it

1827
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 1: singing country. Excuse me, we don't know it because you'll

1828
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 1: have our people saying, why is she doing country music? Man?

1829
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 2: I've talked to a few of them, you know what

1830
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,600
Speaker 2: I mean, a few black people, and I had to

1831
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 2: tell them off. You know, how dare you say that?

1832
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding? You know what do you what

1833
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:14,919
Speaker 2: do you remember about.

1834
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: That some of the original cowboys, those black men. Yeah, yes,

1835
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 1: I think that.

1836
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 3: I think they're in my opinion, I believe that they

1837
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 3: they don't want that history to repeat itself where it

1838
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 3: comes back to where it originated from. It's like, no, no, no, no,

1839
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 3: we created it.

1840
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 2: Too bad.

1841
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 1: It's too bad.

1842
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 3: Because and we need artists of Beyonce's stature.

1843
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: To say, hey, I'm going to do it.

1844
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:50,639
Speaker 2: And also, if you study music history for the United

1845
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 2: States of America, all American music started in the cotton field.

1846
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:58,679
Speaker 1: Who's in the cot All of.

1847
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 2: It started out there with for harming and praising the

1848
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 2: Lord and stuff. They didn't have nothing else to do.

1849
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 2: They couldn't entertain themselves any other kind of way, and

1850
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 2: eventually that turned into the Blues talk about it, and

1851
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 2: eventually that turned into a country and that turned into

1852
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 2: R and B and.

1853
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:19,799
Speaker 1: Whatever, you know everything.

1854
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 2: But the source is the cotton field. Yeah, you know,

1855
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 2: that's that's where that came from. That's where American music originated,

1856
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 2: in the cotton field with them out there humming and

1857
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:38,560
Speaker 2: entertaining themselves. And you know the world really, Yes.

1858
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, brother, We think appreciate Yeah, this is

1859
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 1: a great time. I told my wife, I said, we

1860
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 1: got smoking. I told everybody. I told everybody.

1861
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 3: You know, you don't hang out with smoking today, right probably,

1862
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 3: but I'm hanging out with smoking today.

1863
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing. She's hanging out with smoking.

1864
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: She watched me get dressed. You you got smoking.

1865
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 2: Oh you guys, this is so loose.

1866
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: I love yeah, because we need we need you. We

1867
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:11,600
Speaker 1: need this. We need it so they can hear it

1868
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: and see it and understand that what you were doing

1869
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: then was so important and so impactful that you are

1870
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 1: still doing it now at a level like my brother

1871
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 1: you said eighty five, you are still they still say, hey,

1872
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: we need him in the Venetian Theater. People want to

1873
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 1: see him. That's the impact of just doing what you

1874
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 1: love and doing it at the highest level and and

1875
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: just doing that. The king, come ontown, the king, Come on,

1876
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: you're the king. It's your day. You say you can.

1877
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:54,560
Speaker 1: You can do that if you want to.

1878
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 3: I just got to ask one thing too on air,

1879
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:02,520
Speaker 3: Will you be our mentor.

1880
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 2: If there's something I can mentor you in it's gonna

1881
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:09,520
Speaker 2: positive make something positive happen in your life? Almost only will.

1882
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 3: That's all that, because I feel like in our industry,

1883
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 3: guys and women of different generations, we don't we don't

1884
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 3: ask enough. Yeah yeah, and not even asking of like, oh,

1885
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 3: I want to give me my no.

1886
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 1: Knowledge advice, Yes.

1887
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 2: You know something, I'm gonna tell you something, man. And

1888
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 2: you're saying something that is so profound to me right

1889
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 2: now because there was a time in my life till

1890
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:40,639
Speaker 2: I got older and recognize the fact that it would

1891
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 2: never ever be possible even you know, but when I

1892
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 2: was like eighteen nineteen, my dad was an older guy.

1893
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 2: You know. My dad was like forty five when I

1894
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 2: was born. You know, So my dad was an older guy,

1895
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,759
Speaker 2: and you know, I would hear him and his friends

1896
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 2: talking about stuff, and I would think that they were

1897
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 2: ignorant I think, Okay, here I am, and they don't

1898
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 2: know as much as I do because I'm out on

1899
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 2: the streets and I'm doing that was so stupid. H

1900
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 2: I will never my dad's gone now, but I would

1901
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 2: if he had, I would never have known as much

1902
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 2: as he knew. Because the greatest teacher that we have

1903
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 2: is time. And if you're looking and if you're listening,

1904
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 2: you learn all the time. You learn something new all

1905
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 2: the time, you know what I mean. So there's no

1906
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 2: way I could have ever caught him, you know. So

1907
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 2: that's what's happening now. You have to let people know that,

1908
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:42,600
Speaker 2: you know, time has taught me a little more than

1909
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 2: taught you so far, because it's the greatest teacher we have.

1910
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna be calling, yeah, because I got questions.

1911
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 3: We got.

1912
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 2: Call come on over. And I love the thing. I

1913
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 2: love the fact that you guys even doing this. Man,

1914
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 2: this is beautiful.

1915
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:05,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1916
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we run on there. You.

1917
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Speaker 2: I really really hope you guys get a chance to

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Speaker 2: come to Vegas.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean? Yeah, I'll be there, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell us nothing, nothing because Smoky Robbins, Yeah

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Speaker 1: all right, Smoky to safe. Yeah yeah baby, yeah yeah baby.

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Speaker 1: I was here, all right,