WEBVTT - Carey Mulligan

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask Gray Findes about Carrie Mulligan and he will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you she is a brilliant actor and was a uniquely

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant partner in their movie The Dick. Ask Lord Michaels

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<v Speaker 1>about her hosting Saturday Night Live, and he will say

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<v Speaker 1>she was one of the best in almost fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask David Hare, the writer and Robert Fox, the producer

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<v Speaker 1>of their place, Starlight, and they will talk about her

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<v Speaker 1>killer ambition for authenticity and excellence and her kindness to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone involved. To day, twenty four hours after being nominated

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<v Speaker 1>for an Academy Award for Best Actress in the movie Maestro,

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<v Speaker 1>she is here in the River Cafe kitchen cooking scallops

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<v Speaker 1>and sage with River Cafe executive chef Shawn Owen. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know that when this morning is over and all

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<v Speaker 1>of you ask me about Carrie Mulligan, absolutely and for

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<v Speaker 1>sure the answer will be I love her so nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So kay you just we're cooking the recipe which I

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<v Speaker 1>would love you to read for scallops, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight medium scallops olive oil, sea salt.

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<v Speaker 1>And freshly ground pepper.

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<v Speaker 2>One tablespoon salted capers prepared, half a bunch of sage

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<v Speaker 2>leave stalks removed, one lemon. Brush a frying pan with

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<v Speaker 2>a little oil and place over high heat. When smoking,

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<v Speaker 2>add the scallops. Season with a little salt and pepper

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<v Speaker 2>and cook for two minutes on one side. Turn the

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<v Speaker 2>scallops over and immediately add the capers and sage leaves,

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<v Speaker 2>plus a little extra olive oil so the sage leaves fry.

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<v Speaker 2>Cook for a further two minutes, shaking the pan constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>Squeeze the juice of the lemon and serve.

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<v Speaker 3>Get the pan really hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, put the scollops around the and see.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, and then let's check in a turning minute more.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to think about a scolet and thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>what's delicious about a scolp?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a texture as it because it's.

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<v Speaker 3>A very delicate sweetness.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a sweetness because I'm funny with texture

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<v Speaker 2>some things. And yeah, I think it's the sweetness of something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and usually a pretty good thought, right, yes, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>How long is this? Then? I reckon two or three minutes?

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<v Speaker 2>And then that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then sweeze a bit of lemon in now good

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<v Speaker 2>old generous amounts of olive oil, isn't there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I love that. Well, we're on pips of it here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, easy, easy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about getting the right amount of color on and

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<v Speaker 3>letting them sit. And then you know you can put

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<v Speaker 3>instead of lemon juice, you can put vinegar. Yeah, instead

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<v Speaker 3>of capers, you can put actuvies. Instead of saved you

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<v Speaker 3>can put that as all.

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<v Speaker 2>That's delicious, cool, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So much so having cooked it? What was that like? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things that I would have. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to do at home, but I feel like you

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<v Speaker 2>need to do it when people are already there because

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<v Speaker 2>you want to give it, you know, to people straight away.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have the confidence with that, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>I would have a good at now good. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's about having really good scollops. And I always love

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<v Speaker 2>when you actually are in a kitchen you see how

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<v Speaker 2>much olive oil goes and everything A little bit of olive.

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<v Speaker 1>Oil, a lot of oil. Yeah, And so when you

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<v Speaker 1>say that you would like to do it for dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>for people coming to dinner. But then there is that separation,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't there where you're cooking and they're there. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>like to cook around people or do you like our

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<v Speaker 1>house we have.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a farmhouse kitchen. So we have a big

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have like a cooking isle or separate. It's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a one big room, sort of a big table.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an old chemistry lab table and that's in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the room. And then so everything kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you cook around My husband is more. He does

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<v Speaker 2>it more than like he does all the big event

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<v Speaker 2>cooking like Christmases and you know, Sunday races and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I'll do if we've got you know, ten people,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do like a big stew or a big.

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<v Speaker 1>Castrole or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's he's good at knocking stuff up, like we

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<v Speaker 2>have barely anything in the fridge, and he can make

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<v Speaker 2>something out of that, whereas I need a very clear.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you have cooked on stage? Was it? That's

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<v Speaker 1>just it? No, it was west End? What was it

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<v Speaker 1>a first room west End?

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<v Speaker 2>It was first in the west End.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, David was telling me this morning about cooking spaghetti

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<v Speaker 1>bollonnaise on stage. And he was saying that Stephen Dawdry

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<v Speaker 1>being Stephen Daldry, insisted on having a chef come from

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere who was one of the great chefs to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me about cooking. Answer. Was it the first time you'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever had to cook on stage? Yeah? Eating onstage? Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I would I would cook it in the

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<v Speaker 2>first half and I would eat it in the second half.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like?

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<v Speaker 2>It was very basic, but there was a musicality to

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<v Speaker 2>the way. So much of it was cooking. It was

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, but also fitting it in because she's cooking

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<v Speaker 2>in what turns into an enormous row, and so much

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<v Speaker 2>of the physicality of the cooking was in the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of smashing of garlic and chopping, and you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>I had to be cooking but also furious, but also

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<v Speaker 2>controlled that I didn't cut my finger off whilest I

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<v Speaker 2>was furious. So and there was a lot of kind

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<v Speaker 2>of comedy to you know, the way that Bill would

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<v Speaker 2>come over and sort of aunts and judge the way

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<v Speaker 2>that it was being cooked. And you know, putting the

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<v Speaker 2>oil in first or not putting the oil in. That

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the little gags. But yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 2>theater would fill with the smell of cooking, And so

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<v Speaker 2>I used to say to anyone who was coming to

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<v Speaker 2>see it, particularly my dad, you have to eat before

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<v Speaker 2>you come, because if you come and you watch a

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<v Speaker 2>play that I mean, it's like for two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half three hours long, you know, and you're hungry, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to hate it, And that's so unfair of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it for real or was it mostly theater? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it it was totally edible.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it probably wasn't great, but it was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I ate it and it was tasted fine to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I about eating on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>When I did it in New York, I was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did go through a phase of feeling incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>unwell and nothing was good to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>So for a while it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I was taking very small nibbles in the second half,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, generally I kind of loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>And in film there are also scenes of you eating, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and drive in the diner and not eating, and so

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<v Speaker 1>most recently in Maestrow, which I saw at the opening

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<v Speaker 1>night in your phenomenal great movie and very compelling. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up with the Bernstein's, you know, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know them, but I mean as as major figures in

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<v Speaker 1>our lives from not just West Side Story and his concerts,

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<v Speaker 1>but their their involvement in social politics, for which they

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<v Speaker 1>were hugely maligned, which was unfair by Tom Wolfe for

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<v Speaker 1>the radical chic because and especially your character Felicia was

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<v Speaker 1>really involved in the civil rights struggle in the Vietnam War.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a character, I thought that it wasn't so what,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really that much in the film. But she

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<v Speaker 1>was formidable.

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<v Speaker 2>She was, and it was at one point a whole

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<v Speaker 2>radical chic scene. Yeah. Yeah, but I think you know

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<v Speaker 2>the thing, the script evolved David five years. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and she wasn't actually when I went to I went

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<v Speaker 2>to Chile and I met her family there and they

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<v Speaker 2>talked about you know, she was active from a young age,

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<v Speaker 2>from when she was a teenager in Santiago. She waschet.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder whether he was then and Chile had that

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<v Speaker 1>been before I think before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But she was very but she was a real homemaker,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she she didn't cook. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>think she had Julia Vega. She had people in her

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<v Speaker 2>life that were but she everything was. They called her

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<v Speaker 2>the living the dining room, at the apartment of the Dakota,

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<v Speaker 2>the French restaurant, because every time anyone came, it was

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<v Speaker 2>beautifully kind of table every tablescape was unbelievable, the flowers

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<v Speaker 2>that were brought in, and I think every kind of

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<v Speaker 2>environment where she was a host was very kind of

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<v Speaker 2>beautifully put on. And she talks about being responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen of life, and that everything was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was ordering the best produced and ordering the best

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<v Speaker 2>flowers and ordering you know, that was a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of her life, particularly in New York, also upstate, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>but in New York that was a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>her kind of she loved fostering this kind of beautiful environment.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the filming like, what was the experience of

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<v Speaker 1>doing that movie?

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<v Speaker 2>It was amazing, I mean it was. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>closest I think to a part that I had played.

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<v Speaker 2>I always sort of felt like I had played you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Nina and the Seagull and you know, Kira and Skylight

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<v Speaker 2>and doing this monologue of girls and boys. I had

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<v Speaker 2>these kind of kind of epic roles on stage, and

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<v Speaker 2>I felt when I read Felicia that she had that breadth.

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<v Speaker 2>So she had that kind of you know it felt

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<v Speaker 2>like a kind of Chekhov all. It felt like she's

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<v Speaker 2>got this huge journey and she starts and she actually

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<v Speaker 2>not dissimilar to Nina in some ways, because she does

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<v Speaker 2>start as this actress with this burning ambition and as

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<v Speaker 2>disillusioned and you know, driven to you know too well

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, not madness, but driven to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>to a completely different place by the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>story and having.

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<v Speaker 1>Become a completely different person.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like Felicia really has that huge you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she came to New York, you know, bright as a

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<v Speaker 2>button and full of hope and ambition, and you really

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<v Speaker 2>do get a sense of her being worn down by

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<v Speaker 2>her experience. So just the character on its own was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>The way that Bradley works is so unique and so

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<v Speaker 2>and I loved completely different experience, nothing like I'd ever

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<v Speaker 2>done before, completely, you know, and I think because he's

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<v Speaker 2>in it as well. But you know, the most amazing

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<v Speaker 2>set where you don't feel like you're in a film set,

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you're walking on stage.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was right. Where where did we shot.

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<v Speaker 2>We shot in Tanglewood for the first week, which was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we shot in New York and then We were

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<v Speaker 2>on a sound stage in Brooklyn for a minute, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we had a break and then we shot Ely

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<v Speaker 2>Cathedral and we shot in a sound stage in London

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I in terms of again about eating, in

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<v Speaker 1>food and nourishment, this is a character who wastes away,

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<v Speaker 1>who starts disappearing, and the way you conveyed her fragility

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<v Speaker 1>and his emotions, dealing with you know, her husband's the effect, well,

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with the effect and the family. And so to

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<v Speaker 1>see this strong woman in the beginning that you played

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<v Speaker 1>and then how was that for you when when having

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<v Speaker 1>to show someone dying a terrible disease is Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was I think, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>We we shot her younger stuff right at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the shoot, and then we jumped straight to a

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<v Speaker 2>scene after she's diagnosed with cancer. And it was the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I think I played anyone over a span

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<v Speaker 2>of so many years. So she was the first week

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<v Speaker 2>it was sort of a younger wig in black and white,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the following Monday I had prosthetics on and

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I thought that there would be a lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have to like map it a lot more but

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<v Speaker 2>it was interesting once I was in the prosthetics and

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<v Speaker 2>the costume of that point in her life. It's funny

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<v Speaker 2>what it does looking at yourself in the mirror when

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we did the makeup for when she's right

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of her life. Took about four and

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<v Speaker 2>a half hours and was prosthetics and lots of painting

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<v Speaker 2>in and these incredible contact lenses that took out the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of white around my eyes. And when I had

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<v Speaker 2>the head scarf on, and.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you look in the mirror and you do

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<v Speaker 1>feel different.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an odd thing to look at Also, because

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't trying to make her look I wasn't trying

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<v Speaker 2>to look like Felicia, because Felicia isn't a well known

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<v Speaker 2>face in the way that Bradley needed to look like Lenny.

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<v Speaker 1>We I just looked like myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, you know, I remember saying to Duncan, who

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<v Speaker 2>was doing my prosthetics and Sean Gregg makeup artist, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>is this basically a time machine, like you know, without

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<v Speaker 2>the illness before the illness? Is this essentially you know?

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<v Speaker 2>And I do look.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly like my mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the palm court, you know, I look exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how my mom does, and so it was it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of interesting. Yeah, the whole thing was very interesting, But

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<v Speaker 2>when it came to the six stuff, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it was based on Bradley's experience of his

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<v Speaker 2>father who had cancer and pastway accounts, so and I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that, you know, some of the detail that had

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<v Speaker 2>been written in folding up the napkins was something that

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley's dad did, and lots of it was so lots

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<v Speaker 2>of I've felt constantly aware of him. And then also

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<v Speaker 2>when people would see me in the makeup, and I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you've had anyone in your life who's

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<v Speaker 2>been through an illness that has affected them like that

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<v Speaker 2>physically and visibly, you know. I remember an ad sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like bursting into tears because she just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>it reminded her too much of someone that she loved,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I felt just really determined to not to

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<v Speaker 2>get it right, but also that if there was something

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<v Speaker 2>about the sort of general sense of everybody. By that point,

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<v Speaker 2>we just had the most incredible crew. There was so amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It really felt like that it didn't when you walked

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<v Speaker 2>on set. It wasn't like this actor has this hard

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<v Speaker 2>thing to do. It was like, oh, this person's not well.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was an incredible kind of feeling. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>how the set felt that whole week when we showed

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<v Speaker 2>you No, who didn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>What was that like?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I ate at home and I ate, but

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<v Speaker 2>when I was at work now, I just yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>there was you know, and I remember the physical the

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<v Speaker 2>way that she remember Mot Bridges, our costume designer, brought

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<v Speaker 2>this little shawl that goes over her shoulders when she's

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<v Speaker 2>receiving visitors, and it's so it was my grandmother. My my

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother had dementia. She didn't but she did lose lots

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<v Speaker 2>of weight and she did get you know, as she

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<v Speaker 2>was unable to feed herself, you know, she it was

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was constantly trying to get her to

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<v Speaker 2>intake nutrition. But I remember the way her shoulders kind

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<v Speaker 2>of came forward and it was so highlighted by this

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<v Speaker 2>this shawl that was over her. And so when he

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<v Speaker 2>brought that shawl, that sense of fragility and it was

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<v Speaker 2>just so it just I felt it, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>it was so kind of eerie. How you know that

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<v Speaker 2>physicality is just so familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know the river cafe has a sharp It's

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<v Speaker 1>full of our favorite foods and designs. We have cookbooks

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<v Speaker 1>and then in napkins kitchen ware, toad bags with our signatures,

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<v Speaker 1>glasses from Venice, chocolates from Turin. You can find us

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<v Speaker 1>right next door to the River Cafe in London or

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<v Speaker 1>online at shop the River Cafe dot co UK. Growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>you grew up in a hotel, is that right? For

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<v Speaker 1>the first we grew up in Yeah, we lived in hotels.

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<v Speaker 2>I was almost eight. My father was a hotel manager

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<v Speaker 2>for Intercontinental for my whole childhood until I was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of eighteen, so I was born. I think we were

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<v Speaker 2>at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Brittannia when I was born.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was running the Brittannia hotel, and then in London, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the Yeah yeah, yeah so there and then

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<v Speaker 2>the Mayfair. And then we moved to Germany to Hanover

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<v Speaker 2>and Dusseldorf and he ran hotels there, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>moved back to London. He ran I can't remember in

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel he then he was at the Churchill in

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<v Speaker 2>Portman Square, so he moved around those and he also

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<v Speaker 2>ran hotels in Vienna and Frankfurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah did you but you actually lived in the hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>We lived in the hotel till I was eight.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were a bit like Elowise. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>that book Allowas? Did you even know that growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in the plaza? Would you run around the hotels?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Fine, what was that like living in a hotel?

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<v Speaker 2>It was amazing. I mean it was you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of all we knew. But I look back and

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<v Speaker 2>I think, oh wow, that was kind of an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>way to grow up. And my brother and I were

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<v Speaker 2>certainly you know, we would sort of roll around with

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<v Speaker 2>the the maids, you know, going into people's rooms after

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<v Speaker 2>they checked out, and sort of you know, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>sort of sitting in the basket with all the sheets,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with my hands holding on, rolling around the

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<v Speaker 2>corridor and you know, sitting on with my whole body

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped around a hoover, you know, going up and down

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<v Speaker 2>the hallways.

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<v Speaker 1>We were ordering room service.

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<v Speaker 2>Did we had It was like that, you know, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a they'll have a little I mean in the

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<v Speaker 2>place at the hotels that we lived in the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of an apartment in the top floor for the manager.

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<v Speaker 2>So we lived in a Yeah, Mum talks about I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we had our own little mini kitchen and stuff, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was more. Yeah, we didn't do room service, but

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<v Speaker 2>we did have our linen changed. I'm pretty sure someone

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<v Speaker 2>always says that was a massive bonus and.

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<v Speaker 1>Has been living at the arm the job and being

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<v Speaker 1>the manager and living there. Yeah, I mean great for

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel to have the manager there. Yeah. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>one of many? Are you?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Just me and my brother?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But we were bilingual because we moved to Germany when

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<v Speaker 2>I was three, and we went to you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>learned German. We went to I went to a German kindergarten,

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<v Speaker 2>Rudolph Stein in kindergarten.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I went to school in Hanover.

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<v Speaker 2>We were with a lot of X you know, with

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<v Speaker 2>military kids, and and then we were in distledor for

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<v Speaker 2>in international school, and then we moved home. So we

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<v Speaker 2>were there. We was the only thing I remember about

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen because we were, you know, nowhere near the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>That was not And I was saying earlier, my dad,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think briefly worked in kitchens on his way.

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<v Speaker 2>He worked his way up from kind of collecting glasses

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<v Speaker 2>in a restaurant to being the manager. Yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 2>so whenever he cooks. Generally I exit the building because

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not what is it like, he just likes

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<v Speaker 2>things ordered and the way that they and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for us to sort of come in and sort of

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<v Speaker 2>casually start munching on something, his heart was not not

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<v Speaker 2>part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that, yeah, it's but my.

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<v Speaker 2>Memory of one of my birthday parties when I was

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<v Speaker 2>little was at the hotel in Disseldorf, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the pastry chef made a bunch of dough. We were

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<v Speaker 2>all making little dollies out of dough, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>took them off and cooked them in the kitchen and

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<v Speaker 2>brought them back. And the birthday cakes, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>we lived in hotels were always you know, those very

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<v Speaker 2>elaborate kind of I feel like they always had liquor

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<v Speaker 2>in them.

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<v Speaker 1>They always had like.

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<v Speaker 2>A bit of booze. It like properly kiddie birthday cakes,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had like very beautiful writing in icing and

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff. There was always such a

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<v Speaker 2>sense of occasion in hotels. It's always like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>big display for Christmas or there's a big you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like there was always this sort of sense

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<v Speaker 2>of there's a sort of event happening. But I always felt,

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<v Speaker 2>really I like being nomadic. I don't mind, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I like being in hotel tells I'm not someone who

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to bring. You know, some people sort

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<v Speaker 2>of need to bring stuff with them to make wherever

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<v Speaker 2>they are feel like home.

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<v Speaker 1>Carries with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know the only time I ate lunch here

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<v Speaker 2>was with Tracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy she described, you know that she I think she's

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<v Speaker 1>ever ordered room service. She would always, you know, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>go out and find something and take her food on

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<v Speaker 1>the plane or take an object. And as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>I love hotels so much that I actually don't like

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm upgraded to a suite because it reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>too much of home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the

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<v Speaker 1>confines of a hotel whom you can find everything. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>where your book is, you know where everything is. I

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<v Speaker 1>always thought that maybe I'd be one of those women

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<v Speaker 1>who age, you know, Richard be in a state at

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<v Speaker 1>Clarages for the rest of, you know, of our days.

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<v Speaker 1>I had said to him, if we saw our house,

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<v Speaker 1>how many nights do you think we'd get in claritges.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like probably six. And do you think there was

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<v Speaker 1>a performance that you had to behave in a certain

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<v Speaker 1>way with strangers.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so, yeah, yeah, we had you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>met people who were staying at the hotel sometimes and

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<v Speaker 2>there was a real kind of day. It felt like

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<v Speaker 2>being a bit of a like a diplomat's stater or something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, someone would come and stay at the hotel

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<v Speaker 2>and you would greet them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, did that prepare you, do you think for

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<v Speaker 1>acting in a certain way? I think yeah, perhaps.

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<v Speaker 2>I think also moving around constantly, kind of being the

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<v Speaker 2>new kid and meetings. The time I was eight, we

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<v Speaker 2>had moved. You know, I'd been at a I think

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<v Speaker 2>three places in Germany, three four schools, no three so

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<v Speaker 2>nursery and then two schools and then home to a

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<v Speaker 2>convent school in Buckinghamshire. And then when I was eleven

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<v Speaker 2>I moved again, and then when I was thirteen I

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<v Speaker 2>moved again. So we were so I think I was

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<v Speaker 2>always kind of used to being new and having to

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<v Speaker 2>introduce myself adapt to people, and you know that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What was Cherman food like, do you have a memory

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<v Speaker 1>of it or did you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, lots of quite meat meat based food. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we you know, we were amongst kind of lots of

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<v Speaker 2>Brits as well, so but we spent we were amazingly lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to go skiing in Austria in our holidays

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<v Speaker 2>and things, we you know, spent lots of We had

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<v Speaker 2>lots of casia, keaza, spetzel and you know venus nitzel

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<v Speaker 2>and delicious like warm, brothy things to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>warm up. But yeah, I think we you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>it was also an international hotel. It was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't we were if I was eating stuff from

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't necessarily German cuisine or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I usually asked people about their families and growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>and restaurants were restaurants, But in your case, I often

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<v Speaker 1>asked if restaurants were a special occasion, which was the tooth.

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<v Speaker 1>In my family, we went out to restaurants for somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>birthday and somebody's anniversary or something great had happened and

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<v Speaker 1>you'd celebrate a restaurant. Here we see people just coming

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<v Speaker 1>out for dinner with their kids all the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was just more for you, that was that

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<v Speaker 1>something that.

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<v Speaker 4>Was just.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose that I don't really remember going to restaurants

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<v Speaker 2>at all. I don't remember going to nice you know,

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.480
<v Speaker 2>white tablecloth restaurants. Ever, with my we would go to

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<v Speaker 2>there was a pizza place in Duszledorf that we would

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<v Speaker 2>go to, but like really a hole on the wall

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pizza place, and that was sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>treat that we would go there. I don't think we

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<v Speaker 2>went to I remember what for the Millennium my dad

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<v Speaker 2>was running the Intercontinental in Vienna and there was a

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<v Speaker 2>big Millennium meal there and I was fourteen and fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen I think, yeah, fourteen, and my best friend came

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<v Speaker 2>with me and we bought dresses, you know, for millennium

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 2>and we sat and it was a proper white tablecloth,

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.399
<v Speaker 2>seven course meal thing, and that was very That was

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<v Speaker 2>a big, big deal. So I don't think we did necessarily.

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<v Speaker 2>Although when I was when we moved home and we

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 2>were living in you know, Buckinghamshire, we used to go

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<v Speaker 2>if there was anything to celebrate, we'd go to Mister

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Poone's the Chinese restaurant and go and have big Chinese

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 2>and we did that kind of for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Your parents cook for you, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Mum's always you know, she couldn't turn her

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<v Speaker 2>hand to anything. She was never a sort of passionate cook,

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I think because Dad was the cook. So if there

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<v Speaker 2>was meals that were cooked, it would be Dad, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And Mum, my grandmother was a was a wonderful Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved baking. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So where did she live?

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<v Speaker 2>So she was my mother's Welsh So she was in Carmarthenshire.

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<v Speaker 2>So and every time I went to her for any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of length of time, we were just bake and bacon, bake.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well everything.

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Welsh cakes, famously delicious Welsh cakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Welsh cakes, that's don't tell Sean, I asked you this

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<v Speaker 1>because I've lived in this country for.

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<v Speaker 2>Well if you weren't it. But they're like their little

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<v Speaker 2>mini sort of flat cake with raisins in and like

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 2>a scone. Yeah, like a sort of flatter scone. But

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 2>she'd make amazing Welsh cakes. A cherry almond cake, a

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>delicious cherry almond cake that just got better the longer

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 2>you left it in the tin. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that kind of thing. I know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're from going from school. You knew that acting was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be an essential part of your life. Yeah,

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 1>can you tell me how that happened? It was all

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do. From a young age, but I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think of it really as a career until I

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>was probably twelve. You know, maybe I wanted to do

0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 1>musical theater. That was the big you know. That's my

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>mum and I went to go and see every musical.

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Every time we could go into London, we'd go and

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>see musical. We went to New York together, just the

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 1>two of us, and went saw did you Cabaret? Was

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<v Speaker 1>the original? There's some Mendes Studio fifty four. We saw that.

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<v Speaker 2>I told this to him the other day, but I

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>saw Kevin Bacon in a one man show at the

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Walterkerr Theater. I forget the name of it. But I

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<v Speaker 2>then later years later went and did The Seagull at

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 2>the Walter curR and it was a really crazy kind

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 2>of full circle thing. So I was I was sort

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 2>of wanted to do musical theater. Then was slowly sort

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 2>of realizing that that was quite a big job in

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 2>terms of dance and song. And I wasn't a dancer,

0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of was a choir singer, but not

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<v Speaker 2>a singer singer. Was not enormously interested in film so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I loved movies. I loved you know, my

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 2>favorite all of my favorite films like Indiana Jones, Last Crusade,

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I liked sort of Spielberg like proper movies.

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 2>And then I slowly realized that it was more kind

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.959
<v Speaker 2>of theater that I was probably just straight theater just

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 2>in place. So it was when I was at I

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:31.120
<v Speaker 2>auditioned for a bunch of drama schools basically and didn't

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 2>get into any of them. But that was my first

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 2>sort of big, sort of attempt to do to kind

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>of make it a job, which didn't get very well.

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 2>But then I found another kind of way in luckily

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>actually right around the cord from me here, to go

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 2>to Riverside Studios to do Young Blood Theater Workshop, which

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>was an amazing I don't know if it still happens,

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 2>but it was an incredible experience. It was once a week,

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>I did it for months, where you would come together

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 2>with a bunch of other actors of a similar age.

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>But I'd ever acted really with boys before, you know,

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>because I've been in an all girls school and for

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 2>people from all different walks of life. And it was

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of improvisation, a lot of just you would

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 2>just be sitting all in the circle on the floor

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 2>and then you would suddenly have to be in the

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 2>middle of the room doing a scene about something and

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:19.360
<v Speaker 2>it was just a real I loved it and made

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 2>really good friends and we did I think one or

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:25.199
<v Speaker 2>two little productions there, and then an audition for a

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.439
<v Speaker 2>new version of Pride and Prejudice and that was my

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 2>first job.

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<v Speaker 1>So that so I knew we were working in pubs. Did

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you did you have to have a job that wasn't.

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I left school and that was you know, I

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 2>had not gone to rom school, so I was taking

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>a gap year and it was in that year that

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I worked in the pubs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember the food and it was like proper

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 2>just pubs.

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean I worked on a barge, like a restaurant

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>sort of barge in Marlowe, but I was serving, I

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>was never making. And then I worked in two pubs

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, just picking up shifts in the

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 2>in whichever one. But I'd liked I liked the sort

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 2>of kind of energy of it. I think I also

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 2>quite like being in charge of giving people drinks. That

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I was behind this bar and I was eighteen, I

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>probably looked about fifteen, and yet I was sort of

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 2>pulling pints for you know, big burly men, and it

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>felt kind of like quite a powerful position to be

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a performance, isn't it an acting and cooking?

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>You know? I think the reason I always say that

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of actors like to work, of course it

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>suits them, you know, to work part time in a

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>restaurant if they're trying to pursue their career, is that

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of drama in a restaurant. Yeah,

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and the energy. Do you remember what you ate in

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>those years? When I talked to Emily Blunt, it was,

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, hamburger after hamburger after hamburger, and eating and

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>eating and eating. She ate, so she would describe, even

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>when she had small parts, that she would have two

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>hamburgers before going on stage. Ye wouldn't be in school.

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>But do you remember when you were away from or

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>did you live with your parents when.

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>You were I didn't. I'm pride and prejudice. I moved

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>out for that job, and I do remember that we

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 2>were all in corsets, and I remember for the first

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and it was a very lovely production. It actually set

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 2>me up for disappointment future productions because it was so

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 2>we stayed in such nice hotels and the catering were

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>so lovely, and I remember for the first month or

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 2>so we had like really delicious like snacks, but you know,

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>yummy cakes and biscuits and like delicious granolla y things

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 2>that we could nibble on. And after a while they

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 2>had to take out our costumes because we'd all and

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 2>our courses had to get sort of loosen to because

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 2>we'd all've.

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Been having a lovely time.

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 2>And then I moved into a flat with two boys

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 2>in Highgate and I think I ate you know, literally

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>pot noodles. Whilst I did theater. I also got into

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>a habit of having to have a double espresso before

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I did a show. I didn't eat really before the

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.479
<v Speaker 2>play I did. I did a play at the Royal

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Court straight after which it was called forty Winks. It

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 2>was a Kevin Elliott play. It was a real shock

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 2>for me because it went, you know, it was briden Bridges,

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 2>was a summer of you know, real kind of sort

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>of basically massive party and the best time and I

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 2>and I and I was delighted. It was Royal Court

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>is my favorite theater in the world, hands down. Ten

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>million times. But I was playing a narcolepts, a girl

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 2>with narcolepsy who also might have been a victim of rape.

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was.

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>It was really kind of harrowing and and in a

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 2>very kind of surrounded by real heavy weight, incredible actors,

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and I suddenly thought, oh my gosh, this is not

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 2>what I don't know how to do this at all,

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>but it was. I was in real kind of just yeah,

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>just theater.

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Have an espresso. The espresso started then before yeah, before

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the place.

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>And I did that for years through theater until probably

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 2>until I did Girls and Boys, and I stopped.

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Well to talk about because that the Royal Court is

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>actually our local theater hand car as we live further

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>down the keys. What makes you love a theater?

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that was my first theater, so

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>that was special. Then I went back there and did

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>The Seagull when I was twenty one Christopher Hampton Ian Rickson,

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 2>and and that was just completely I just that that role,

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>everything about it, I just and I feel like I

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of I don't know, there was something about the

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 2>pre show thing. I would go underneath the I'd go

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>down all the way down to the bottom of the

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>stairs all the way back up again. I'd run around

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>like a mad woman before so because when Nina comes on,

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>she's really out of breath, and I wanted to be

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>genuinely out of breath. So I would run around, and

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>then I would sort of burst onto stage at the

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>last minute. And the smell of it, I don't know,

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>there was just so much about that theater. Every time

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>I step in there, I just feel, oh, I just

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 2>love it it.

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so you would have your espresso before the play,

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.239
<v Speaker 1>and then and then afterwards, would you do that thing

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>of going out to dinner with a bunch of friends,

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>people who had seen the play.

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes I mean, Mason, what I also love about

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 2>the Royal Court is the downstairs. I'd always just go

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>down there afterwards and we all would you know. I

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>don't remember eating. I remember I remember eating corner sans

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 2>a little corners and a glass of red wine and corn,

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, just loads of little corner shechans back then.

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 2>But I don't remember going out for food much. I

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 2>just sort of think I'd probably just go home and

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 2>eat whata bits or something at the end of the night.

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's money an issue, Yeah, at that time.

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was, you know, it's it was the minimum

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 2>wage theater, so it was. And I was spending money

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 2>on living in a highgate living and you know, paying

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>rent up there, so it wasn't Yeah it was.

0:33:58.800 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I was.

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 2>I ate quite a lot of cereal.

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember when food became a kind of measure

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>of your success that you could say, I can afford

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to eat well now because I'm I'm earning more money. Yeah.

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I think I got really into sushi when I lived

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in New York.

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.879
<v Speaker 1>I was living in New York.

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Probably what was I doing. I was doing theater there,

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 2>but I was also doing a bit of film. I

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 2>did the film Steph McQueen called Shame and and I

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 2>remember I remember.

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Sitting down with.

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, my with a financial advisor sort of figuring

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.439
<v Speaker 2>out working in America and working. And he looked at

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 2>my bank's name as he said, oh, you seem to

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 2>have spent lots of money on rent and sushi.

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that was pretty good. That's what we did.

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>We lived in Paris. It was the same thing those days.

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>You had check books, and we used to look at

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>our checkbook at the end of the mother stubs and

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.839
<v Speaker 1>basically it was all restaurants. When we weren't working, we

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>were just eating out, exploring, because you do learn about

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>a culture through the food.

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. If you like listening to Ruthie's Table for

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<v Speaker 1>like to talk about war child, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>we see the effects of war, and we're seeing it

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<v Speaker 1>right now, aren't we We're seeing it every day. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering what you feel about how that, how

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<v Speaker 1>warchild affected your your views of children in poverty, children

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<v Speaker 1>in danger, and food insecurity.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was doing Skylight and I was I would

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<v Speaker 2>I had this sort of you know, I have a

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:04.799
<v Speaker 2>little routine that I largely stick to, is I go

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 2>into a theater at sort of five, eat, then have

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>a nap for twenty minutes twenty five minutes poundnap, and

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 2>then I wake up and I have my coffee and

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I get.

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<v Speaker 1>Ready for the show.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would listen to the six o'clock news every night,

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<v Speaker 2>and that summer of two thousand and fourteen was was

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 2>terrible for children in conflict, and that a lot of

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 2>the news was about what's happened.

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 1>In twenty fourteen, it.

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Was when the U D's were escaping Isis, and there

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 2>were there was a lot of coverage and lots of

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 2>images on the news. I remember seeing on the news

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>as well, all the u ZD refugees were on Sinjo

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Mountain and they were being evacuated, and I remember seeing

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>images of you know, mums and dads with their babies

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:55.319
<v Speaker 2>flinging them into the helicopter to try and get, you know,

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 2>someone to take the baby. And I didn't have kids then,

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 2>but I but I remember thinking, I cannot imagine what

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 2>it takes for you to think in this moment, I'm

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 2>just going to hurl my baby into someone as strange as.

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, and hope that they are even caught.

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<v Speaker 2>And what must that take to be in that And

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<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking about a lot, as everyone was.

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<v Speaker 2>And my brother had been in Afghanistan and he had

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 2>encountered this girl's school that had been shut down by

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the Taliban and he'd raised on his own lots of

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 2>money to help this school reopen so the girls could

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 2>get back to school. And he had written to a

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>bunch of different endos asking for help kind of facilitating this,

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 2>and War Child were the only ones that had written

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 2>back and made it very easy and so we'll take

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 2>and we don't need a commission, and we'll just we'd

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 2>love to do this and help. And so he had

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:50.839
<v Speaker 2>come back from Afghanistan saying, like, this charity is really

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 2>interesting and really cool. So I went to the Democratic

0:37:55.320 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Republic of Congo that October and we went around and

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 2>saw the projects that they were doing, met the children

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 2>they worked with, and at the end of that week,

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'd really love to kind of focus on this,

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 2>and so they asked me to be an ambassador. I

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.839
<v Speaker 2>went to the Ukraine with them in two thousand and

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty two at the end of that year.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you feel that children were Yeah, we're hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's so different in country to countries.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the Democratic Republic of Congo, the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed was how I mean one of the camps

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 2>that we went to was an IDP camp internally displaced people,

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 2>and they were I mean, it was one of the

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 2>worst places I've ever It was a really, really awful,

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>awful camp and two children there the week that we

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 2>visited had died of malnutrition of you know, had starved

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<v Speaker 2>to death. Basically, it's definitely a huge issue in some

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 2>countries and some you know, I remember we were in

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<v Speaker 2>when we were in Budapest, we met some Roma refugee

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 2>toi ildren who were living in a in a homeless shelter.

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<v Speaker 2>They had fled the Ukraine. Their homes had been destroyed

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and they were now living in this sort of homeless

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>shelter in Budapest. And there it was you know, they

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 2>were having food provided, but it was food that they

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.240
<v Speaker 2>had no connection to. They had no so the children

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't eat. You know that you can't make a child

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 2>eat something they've grown up their entire life having the

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 2>And these women who were in the shelter, they said,

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<v Speaker 2>all we want is a kitchen. We just want to

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 2>be able to make food. And their little three year

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>olds are just rejecting because they're just first of all traumatized,

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:36.319
<v Speaker 2>but secondly they've got no So there was there was

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:40.399
<v Speaker 2>food available, but it was packaged bought in kind of

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, for them to be able to make food

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 2>that was familiar and comfortable and inexpensive, but something that

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 2>just for them to be able to provide their own

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 2>and also for these women who are also suffering for

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 2>their own trauma, for the ritual of cooking together as

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 2>a family, for that to be something that they could

0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 2>do community wise, I think, you know, would have been

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 2>such a powerful kind of healer for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Times and a communicator.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were in Ukraine, we cooked with these women

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 2>in the in the shelter, and you know, I couldn't

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 2>speak any you know, we were completely you know, we

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 2>had an interpreter, but really it was just peeling potatoes together,

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's a wonderful way to communicate with them.

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<v Speaker 1>That story you told of the woman throwing her child

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.359
<v Speaker 1>into the helicopter, I remember, Richard and I were living

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>in Paris in the seventies. So you met someone whose

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 1>grandmother had knew that the you know, the Nazis coming

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>to take them away from the Jewish ghetto in Paris.

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:44.319
<v Speaker 1>And she said that she her grandmother and her mother

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>were on one side of the barricade caving on a

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 1>train to towards Auschwitz. And they then nanny came rushing

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 1>for them to see because she'd come home and so

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>and they threw her. They just threw her physical I mean,

0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>throwing a child is quite a big thing. And then

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>nanny and she never saw our parents again. So we

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 1>think about, you know, the lack of food being denial

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>for children and the lack of food being hunger, food

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:15.759
<v Speaker 1>being a sign of illness or when your illness that

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 1>you're cutting yourself off from food and whatever you know,

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and a sign of frailty. It's also it can work

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.719
<v Speaker 1>the other way, which your food is joyous when we

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>cook for our children. It's fun when you cook with

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 1>a hope, a chef. It's fun when your family and

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 1>your husband are there in their farm wanting to eat.

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you've grown or maybe you've shopped for It also

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 1>is in times it's comfort. It's comfort from an it's

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>emotional eating that we don't always eat when we're hungry.

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>We eat when we feel something. So my last question

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<v Speaker 1>to you on this beautiful day and being here with

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<v Speaker 1>you and thank you for coming, is to say, Carrie Mulligan,

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>if you need comfort, which I hope you don't. I

0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>hope life is just one joyous experience. But if you

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 1>need comfort, is there a food that you would reach for? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>My husband makes well. So when I had my first child.

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 2>We have a friend who lives near us who's sort

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 2>of a baby guru called Rachel Wadelove. She's amazing and

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:19.839
<v Speaker 2>she basically taught us how to look after babies. Well

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.719
<v Speaker 2>me at least, was work good at already. And she said,

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 2>when your breastfeeding, must have, you know, a slice of cake,

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 2>you know all the time. But also this, she had

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:33.400
<v Speaker 2>this recipe for this chicken casserole and it was just

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 2>really simple. But the crust on the top was wheatabix

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and cheddar cheese.

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so Marcus makes this delicious Marcus, and it's

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 4>so yummy and it's just chicken and bention whatever. But

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 4>the crust is whetavix mushed up with a bit of

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 4>salt and cheddar cheese and it melts and it's heaven.

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>And whenever I'm feeling like.

0:42:56.160 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>A little bit depleted or done in, he'll make that

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 2>and will He'll make a big old thing of it,

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>and we'll start with like fairly conservative portions.

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:10.959
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's perfect. Okay, Well, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great, great time I'm with you. And now

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 1>you're going to go have scalps or whatever there is

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:20.239
<v Speaker 1>in the River cop I do more together. Thank you,

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