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Speaker 6: It is Tuesday, August twentieth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,

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Speaker 6: episode number eighteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The

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Speaker 6: Break lifem Oxnard, California. It is our final show here

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Speaker 6: in the sunny confines of Oxnard, California, before we head

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Speaker 6: back to the heat box.

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Speaker 4: They call Frisco, Texas.

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Speaker 6: Big Big of one hundred and six to day or

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Speaker 6: something like that. It is a beautiful sixty one right

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Speaker 6: now in California, so we'll miss that part of it.

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Speaker 6: But other than that, I'm very ready to help got

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Speaker 6: and do some some some regular stuff.

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Speaker 4: Get into this regular season. That's really the big deal.

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Speaker 6: Today we're gonna be talking about the Cowboys second preseason game.

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Speaker 4: We'll have some names.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna throw out to you guys, some positions I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna throw out to you guys, get your opinions on

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Speaker 6: where you think things sit after that second preseason game.

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Speaker 6: I think, obviously where we start, and it's where we

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Speaker 6: started last week.

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Speaker 4: But I think really.

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Speaker 6: Evaluating Trey Lance at his performance, tell me what you

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Speaker 6: think of where he was this week and what you

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Speaker 6: to what you saw from him in week one and

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Speaker 6: how much that has changed.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: I think the thing with Trey Lance is you were,

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Speaker 7: just as you mentioned Derek, looking for improvement. You just

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Speaker 7: wanted to see, were there problems against the Rams in

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Speaker 3: How accurate was he? Was there a decision making involved

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Speaker 3: in what he was able to do.

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Speaker 7: I kind of feel like, guys, they tailored the game

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Speaker 7: play and to his strengths a little bit more in

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Speaker 7: this game. I felt like in week one it was

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Speaker 7: let's see Trey Lance pocket passer throwing the ball forty times.

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Speaker 7: The game against the Charge against the Raiders, it seemed

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Speaker 7: like more there was more of.

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Speaker 3: The RPO stuff.

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Speaker 7: There were things that they were kind of plays a

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Speaker 7: was happy to what I saw with him. You know,

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Speaker 7: when he faced the Blitz, if you check into the

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Speaker 7: metrics and how that looked, seven of eight against the

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Speaker 7: you see the talent, you see the ability to get

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Speaker 3: You know, there's going to be some issues with accuracy.

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Speaker 7: That's kind of his game right now. But I thought

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Speaker 7: he looked more comfortable, he looked more confident, and the

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Speaker 7: team moved the ball that way offensively because of how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot more confident, a lot more composed.

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Speaker 5: The first half, the time of possession battle was really wonky,

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Speaker 2: But whenever he did get going deep into that second half, we.

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Speaker 5: Saw that confidence and it was throws across the middle

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Speaker 5: the biggest criticism I took away from the game against

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Speaker 5: putting balls in really good places. On Saturday against the Raiders.

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Speaker 5: Really liked the way he used his feet. We saw

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Speaker 5: McCarthy was even helping him out in that area in

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Speaker 5: then you could start to see the vision on Trey

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Speaker 2: And I know I mentioned it on the Camp and

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Speaker 5: Few different They have a few different options when it

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Speaker 5: comes to Lance. It's, you know, make him QB two

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Speaker 5: this year. I don't feel like that would be the

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Speaker 5: as some sort of value right now I mean you

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Speaker 5: there's gonna be some options at the front office we'll

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Speaker 7: Nick can ask you a question, if Trey Lance is

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Speaker 7: quarterback three, do you even look into resigning him or

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Speaker 7: trying to extend him after this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do because you look at these two guys.

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Speaker 5: You look at Cooper Rush and Trey Lance are both

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Speaker 5: on expiring deals. You have Cooper Rush who's going to

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Speaker 5: one probably still have some ways to go.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're looking at it that way.

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Speaker 5: I understand why you would want to bring back Trey

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Speaker 2: And that's not to say that Cooper Rush hasn't done

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Speaker 5: I think at that point, it's just you kind of

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Speaker 2: You know, like, who's to say he goes down?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 5: I think when it comes to just but preparing for

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Speaker 5: factoring in these quarterback two situations, I think Trey Lance

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Speaker 7: Maybe I'm strange about this, but if something happens to

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Speaker 7: Dak Prescott, I want Trey Lance playing, Yeah, And I

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Speaker 7: want Trey Lance this year, yes, Okay, And I want

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Speaker 7: Trey Lance playing because I want to try.

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Speaker 3: And figure it out that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And if it doesn't work now I know now, I

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Speaker 6: Can I give you a caveat to that? Because I

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Speaker 6: agree with your thought process. I'll say this, Let's say

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Speaker 3: Like no, But if you're at.

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Speaker 6: Mid season and let's say let's say the Cowboys are

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Speaker 6: seven and one, now I disagree with you. Look now

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Speaker 6: I think I want to stick with Cooper Rush because

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Speaker 6: I'm and also, how long is dak Out?

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Speaker 4: Is he gone for the Season's he gone just a

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Speaker 3: If he say, if he's out for the whole season.

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Speaker 6: If he's out for the rest of the season and

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Speaker 6: they're seven and one, I'm gonna ride with Cooper Rush

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Speaker 6: for at least three or four games.

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Speaker 4: I want to see what happens in those three or

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Speaker 6: If they all of a sudden get on a slide

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Speaker 4: Or three and five, and they lose Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 6: Now I agree with you because now I'm thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 4: And I said that on our show the other night.

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Speaker 6: see some progression, you see some things you like I was.

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Speaker 6: Very we saw him in that game last over the weekend.

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Speaker 6: There was one run where he took off around the

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Speaker 4: And he got the corner and turned the corner right,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, man, he can take up, he

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Speaker 6: Fast enough to actually eat up a lot of ground

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Speaker 4: You some ballgames. So I think there's some things you

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Speaker 6: I just don't know if they're gonna have enough time

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Speaker 7: Let me ask you guys this question, then, do you

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Speaker 7: think the Cooper Rush is a different quarterback from what

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Speaker 7: you've seen in camp? Because I seen a quarterback that's

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Speaker 7: more willing to throw the ball.

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Speaker 3: Down the field.

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Speaker 7: I'm you know, you mentioned the comebacks, the deep outs,

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Speaker 7: the deep shots down the field. Maybe Cooper Rush with

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Speaker 7: all the Trey Lance Hype has said, you know what,

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Speaker 7: what do I have to lose. I'm gonna be the

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Speaker 7: second or third here. Might as well try and push

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Speaker 7: the ball a little bit more. If that's the case,

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Speaker 7: maybe you do have a different quarterback here.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Cooper Rush.

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Speaker 7: To me, it was always a very by the book,

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Speaker 7: But if there's a willingness to have the offense run

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Speaker 2: Like him out there, Yeah, you know, but it's a starter.

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Speaker 2: So I'm I just I don't see it.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 6: The point is, until that deal is done, everything is

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Speaker 5: further down the list that you're like, okay, like he's

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Speaker 5: on watch. So I really love the performance from those

446
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Speaker 5: two guys, and Justin Rodgers started off the game pretty well.

447
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Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't necessarily love it, but I liked

448
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Speaker 5: what he brought to the table in the absence of

449
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Speaker 5: Massie Smith. I think there's a path for him in

450
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Speaker 5: the future to be able to get some reps this season.

451
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Speaker 5: So those are the three guys that really stood out,

452
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Speaker 5: you know, as far as guys that maybe didn't.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure we'll get into that.

454
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Speaker 5: But the receiver position, man, it feels like there's a

455
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Speaker 5: different guy every game.

456
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Speaker 7: So yeah, and I think, you know, when you start

457
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Speaker 7: to talk about the receiving position, I felt like that

458
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Speaker 7: when you looked at Jalen Cropper, I felt like that

459
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Speaker 7: he was going into this game, was ahead of the

460
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Speaker 7: other receivers. I kind of feel like the group is

461
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Speaker 7: now swished or shrunk, if you want to say, he

462
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Speaker 7: could have gone out there and taken this job, and

463
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Speaker 7: I don't feel like that he did that.

464
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Speaker 3: And so now you've got some others.

465
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Speaker 7: They've tried the Racy mcmaths and others. They they might

466
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Speaker 7: have two catches, they might have four catches. And then

467
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Speaker 7: you watch the special Teams tape and all of a sudden,

468
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Speaker 7: Racy McMath is playing right flyer and they run him

469
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Speaker 7: down there and then he gets blocked inside and now

470
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Speaker 7: the ball's going up the sidelines for a big play.

471
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Speaker 7: They're trying to figure this thing out. You mentioned with

472
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Speaker 7: I mentioned with Cropper the fumble you know on the return.

473
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Speaker 7: They're trying to play these guys in special teams roles

474
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Speaker 7: to see.

475
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Speaker 3: If they're going to work out, and unfortunately.

476
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Speaker 7: I think Cropper has brought this thing back to where

477
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Speaker 7: this game against the Chargers, if you're depending on if

478
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Speaker 7: you keep five or six receivers, this thing's really an

479
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Speaker 7: open competition. There's gonna be some decisions they're going to

480
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Speaker 7: have to be made there. My guys that I liked,

481
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Speaker 7: I will say this, I've got as I've seen from

482
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Speaker 7: camp and some of the work I've got. John Stevens

483
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Speaker 7: is my second tight end here behind Ferguson. But I'll

484
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Speaker 7: say this, and I'll say it from this way. Ferguson

485
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Speaker 7: and Schoonmaker better blocking in this game, much better.

486
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Speaker 3: When they've had in the past than they've had in

487
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Speaker 3: the past.

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Speaker 7: You were worried some about now Stevens had a play

489
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Speaker 7: where it was the toss and it went for a

490
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Speaker 7: negative play that you know, he's just got to understand

491
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Speaker 7: if it's coming to your side, you got to work

492
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Speaker 7: your hips around. You got to pin that guy to

493
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Speaker 7: the inside and don't get beat the way he did.

494
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Speaker 7: I think there was a little bit of indecision on

495
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Speaker 7: his part, but Other than that, some of the backside

496
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Speaker 7: blocks that he had, some of the point of attack blocks,

497
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Speaker 7: the combination blocks that Luke's Schoonmaker and say in a

498
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Speaker 7: Guidon were able to make to get to allow a

499
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Speaker 7: deuced fawn to maybe sneak up inside or bounce to

500
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Speaker 7: the outside because of some of that work. So I

501
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Speaker 7: really did like what the tight ends were able to

502
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Speaker 7: do real.

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Speaker 3: Quick this way.

504
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Speaker 6: On that twelve yard run that Duce had, I think

505
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Speaker 6: it was his first run. Was that on that play,

506
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Speaker 6: was that John Stevens that had his guy like five

507
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Speaker 6: yards down the field?

508
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Speaker 3: They had there was there was the.

509
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Speaker 7: I'm trying to think of that the exact player you're

510
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Speaker 7: talking about, But Stevens had a couple of blocks where

511
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Speaker 7: he was into his guy and it was and there

512
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Speaker 7: was that movement downfield. The first run of the game

513
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Speaker 7: was with scoon Maker and uh and actually Geyton they

514
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Speaker 7: were able to get their guy off the off the balls.

515
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about that.

516
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Speaker 6: It was the play where Duce had the run around

517
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Speaker 6: the right side, but he kind of went up into

518
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Speaker 6: the line and he kind of broke out to the

519
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Speaker 6: right and went I think it was a twelve yard run.

520
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Speaker 4: But on that play.

521
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Speaker 6: It seemed like I saw John Stevens with this guy

522
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Speaker 6: way down the field.

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Speaker 7: He did a he did a much better job than

524
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Speaker 7: the thing was Stevens big improvement there. Schoonmaker they had

525
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Speaker 7: a deal with they got in space where they were

526
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Speaker 7: in that play. We've seen this play a thousand times

527
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Speaker 7: with Dak where they used to bring Galted Schultz in

528
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Speaker 7: front and he would lead on the RPO.

529
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Speaker 2: And Schoonmaker, Wift and Scheamaker.

530
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Speaker 7: Got out in space and you know he's got a

531
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Speaker 7: plaster that guy and try and knock him to the sidelines.

532
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Speaker 7: He kind of got a little bit a little wonky

533
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Speaker 7: there in space, and You're like thinking, okay, man, if

534
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Speaker 7: you get that block, maybe it's a turn up and

535
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Speaker 7: a little bit more yards. But overall, I'm just looking

536
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Speaker 7: at these point of attack blockers for these tight ends,

537
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Speaker 7: and I thought, for the most part, this group wasn't

538
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Speaker 7: as poor as we've seen him before.

539
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Speaker 5: Yeah, if I could shut off the offensive line. You

540
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Speaker 5: look at Cooper bb Man a phenomenal game that he

541
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Speaker 5: had building on that Week one performance, you know was

542
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Speaker 5: Week one perfect no, but I felt like he laid

543
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Speaker 5: some really good groundwork going into Week two. Man, I

544
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Speaker 5: think coming out of this game, we have Cooper BB

545
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Speaker 5: maybe taking the edge in that center battle. I think

546
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Speaker 5: we're gonna have that one really come down to the

547
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Speaker 5: wire coming out of Week three. But I mean, if

548
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Speaker 5: it's a situation where the coaches look at it and

549
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Speaker 5: they say, Okay, if we give Cooper BB reps early

550
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Speaker 5: in the season and maybe he's not where brock Kauffman

551
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Speaker 5: is right now, let's just say that's the thought, then

552
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Speaker 5: who's to say he won't be exceeding those expectations by

553
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Speaker 5: at the end of the year. And I think that's

554
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Speaker 5: where youth could probably benefit Cooper b B a little

555
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Speaker 5: bit more. But you know, I still do believe in

556
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Speaker 5: brock Kaufman. I still think that is a guy who's

557
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Speaker 5: capable of being a starting center. But you look at

558
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Speaker 5: BB and what he's been bringing to the table and

559
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 5: how he has continuously been getting better as the weeks

560
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 5: have gone on, that's big time stuff. And then you

561
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Speaker 5: look at Tyler Geiden, also a really strong game. But

562
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Speaker 5: I think the more reps that he puts out there,

563
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Speaker 5: the less I'm feeling confident about his hand place. His

564
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Speaker 5: hands are super wide, yeah, and they come around like

565
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Speaker 5: almost in the biceps of edge guys. You know, I

566
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Speaker 5: want to see him get up in the chess played

567
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Speaker 5: a little bit more. I mean, you look at guys

568
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Speaker 5: like Miles Garrett, who he's going to see week one.

569
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Speaker 5: If he comes right into his chest play, that's going

570
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Speaker 5: to be a little bit different for him. So I

571
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Speaker 5: want to see him maybe adjust the hands a little

572
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Speaker 5: bit better because that's going to buy him at some point.

573
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Speaker 5: But overall, I mean, you see the strength, you see

574
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Speaker 5: the power, and sometimes that overwhelms a bad technique.

575
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Speaker 7: Man that I'm so glad you pointed that out, because

576
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Speaker 7: there were like four or five clips where I looked

577
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Speaker 7: at it, and I'm like, his technique right now is

578
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 7: but hands outside and then trying to reset. He's such

579
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Speaker 7: a good foot athlete that if he gets a little

580
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Speaker 7: forward he can recover. But there's a lot of times

581
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Speaker 7: you see those hands. You see those white gloves on

582
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Speaker 7: the outside shoulders of those black jerseys that the Raiders

583
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Speaker 7: were wearing the other day, and I was thinking, like, man,

584
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Speaker 7: he is going to They're gonna coach him up on this,

585
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Speaker 7: But you're absolutely right, hands on that breastplate for control.

586
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Speaker 3: When you get hands.

587
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Speaker 7: Outside, that gives the defender the opportunity to get to

588
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Speaker 7: your body, and the really really good defenders will take

589
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 7: you and they'll grab you and pull you out of

590
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Speaker 7: the way there.

591
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Speaker 2: And so if you're lucky.

592
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Speaker 3: If you're lucky, if you're lucky.

593
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Speaker 7: The thing with Beebie, there was only one time I

594
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Speaker 7: saw on the second level, and you might remember he

595
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Speaker 7: went the ball went to the left, and he was

596
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Speaker 7: he went to an area where the defender was instead

597
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Speaker 7: of where he was going to be. And the second

598
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Speaker 7: time around they ran the play, he got it right.

599
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Speaker 7: So it's like, Okay, I made a mistake the first

600
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Speaker 7: time I ran out there and the guy beat me across.

601
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Speaker 7: Now I know, okay, I've got to go a little

602
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Speaker 7: bit further in front cut that guy off, and then

603
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 7: it allowed the play to develop. But I thought, over

604
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Speaker 7: all the young guys and shout out though two and

605
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Speaker 7: we don't give it much of a shout out to

606
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Speaker 7: a guys Matt will let's go play that whole game

607
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 7: at right tackle, and so shout out to him that

608
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 7: was That was not an easy task, dealing with Crosby

609
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 7: and those guys out there. It wasn't pretty, but he

610
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 7: managed to play the whole game he took one for

611
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 7: the team. He's probably gonna have to take another one

612
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 7: for the team on Saturday against the Chargers, but shout

613
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Speaker 7: out to him for the effort he had.

614
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Speaker 5: I really do think the offensive line top to bottom

615
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 5: played really well in that game against the Raiders. Awesome Richards.

616
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Speaker 5: I felt like I had an awesome day to at

617
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Speaker 5: left guard. He feels natural there. I mean, you look

618
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Speaker 5: at his body type.

619
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you that they think he's a better tackle.

620
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see it yet.

621
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Speaker 5: They also think Chumy Dooga is a better tackle, he's

622
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Speaker 5: a better guard. So I'm not one hundred percent sure.

623
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Speaker 2: I an not buying that one up. Yeah I know.

624
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Speaker 5: So I like what I like what Austin Richards brings

625
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 5: to the table in the interior. I hope they can

626
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 5: let him kind of develop there. But top to bottom,

627
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 5: I really liked that offensive line performance, no sacks allowed,

628
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 5: running game was getting some lanes. I liked what I saw.

629
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Speaker 6: So if you guys had to name one player that

630
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 6: going into this final game against the Chargers needs a

631
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 6: great performance in order to give himself a shot to

632
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 6: be able to make this team, who would it be.

633
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Speaker 5: A shot? Can I give one offense, one defense on offense.

634
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with Tyron Billy Johnson. Yeah, you know,

635
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 5: you look at this receiver battle and that last spot.

636
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 5: You know, Jalen Cropper had his opportunity last week, Ryan

637
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 5: Flanoy had his opportunity this week. I think it's the

638
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 5: Tyron Billy Johnson opportunity going into the Chargers game.

639
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: It's his former team as well.

640
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 5: So maybe a little bit of banks there that he'll

641
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 5: be able to take into that one. But he's he's

642
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 5: played only roughly two or three series in each game

643
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: and he's only had one target and zero receptions. You know,

644
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Speaker 5: I would have to assume that they want to get

645
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 5: Tyron Billy Johnson involved in a little bit more. You know,

646
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: I was able to touch some folks last week and

647
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 5: it just kind of happened as a natural game plan

648
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 5: went on. You know that they were focusing in on

649
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 5: Tyrn Billy Johnson against the Rams, and I see similar

650
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 5: situations that were rising from the Raiders. But there was

651
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 5: it was a couple of instances where you know, he

652
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 5: was getting opened downfield, but it was outside.

653
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: The numbers and Trey Lance.

654
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 5: You know, he hasn't been really pushing it downfield like that,

655
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 5: so especially early in games, and that's when Tyron Billy

656
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 5: Johnson has had his opportunities on the defense side of

657
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 5: the ball. I think it's Eric Scott. He needs to

658
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 5: have a good game. You look at keem On Hall again,

659
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 5: I think he's pushing for a roster spot at this point.

660
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 5: You look at Andrew Booth obviously is going to have

661
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 5: a roster spot. So I think, if you're Eric Scott,

662
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 5: you need to have a really good game on Saturday

663
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Speaker 5: and I prove that you're worthy of having a fifty

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Speaker 5: three spot real quick.

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Speaker 6: You just said Booth is gonna have a spot. So

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Speaker 6: you think at this point both is in.

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Speaker 2: No matter what I think he is, I think he is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I to me, it's I like what you did with

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Speaker 7: Eric Scott there. I think that maybe Eric Scott's fate

671
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Speaker 7: might already be sealed. I'm gonna throw a name out

672
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Speaker 7: there that people are gonna like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 7: Broad Us Albert Huggins a defensive tackle. He was not

674
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Speaker 7: very good against the Rams in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: A pushover.

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Speaker 7: If you will a pushover, all you have to do

677
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Speaker 7: is put a put a polo, put a rams polo

678
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Speaker 7: on a quarterback of the other team, and he might

679
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Speaker 7: have a shot. But I'm gonna say I think Albert Huggins,

680
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Speaker 7: they're trying to kind of figure out this defensive tackle rotation.

681
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Speaker 7: I think they're trying to figure out the three technique

682
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Speaker 7: stuff too. You know, we'll see with with Phillips, he

683
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 7: plays a lot of three.

684
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Speaker 3: He might be playing more one.

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Speaker 7: But I kind of feel like though that he showed enough,

686
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Speaker 7: flashed enough that you would think that maybe maybe they

687
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Speaker 7: would keep him around because of he does have some flexibility,

688
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 7: but he did show some pass rush ability, he did

689
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 7: show some ability to play the run. He had a

690
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Speaker 7: terrible like I say that the practice out here with

691
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Speaker 7: all that went down, But he's a guy that when

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Speaker 7: you watch him play those flash players, you see it

693
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Speaker 7: in his game. So I I do feel like though, too,

694
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Speaker 7: that we're battling for that that last corner spot.

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Speaker 3: You know you mentioned Eric Scott.

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Speaker 7: I think that you could talk about haul in there,

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Speaker 7: and maybe I don't know how you guys feel about mcuamu,

698
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Speaker 7: but I think he's.

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Speaker 3: Kind of in that mix too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 7: And so there's the receivers, defensive linemen, and then the

702
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Speaker 7: defensive back, especially at corner. I think are all there's

703
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 7: still stuff to be playing for Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this about Huggins. You know that whole situation.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if he didn't have a legitimate shot I'm

706
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Speaker 5: making the roster, they would have cut him after that situation. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so I do think there is a legitimate opportunity for

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Speaker 5: him on the table. He's gonna have to go out

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Speaker 5: there and grab it on Saturday.

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Speaker 6: The interesting thing about mcwammala, I think is that he

711
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Speaker 6: has a little bit of a position flex, and I

712
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Speaker 6: don't know that there are a lot of guys that

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Speaker 6: have that kind of position flex.

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Speaker 7: But okay, now when you say position flex, I think

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Speaker 7: we feel good about the safeties, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Position flex means he can play corner, could play safety.

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Speaker 3: I think they're taking care of it safety.

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Speaker 4: That's fine.

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Speaker 7: I think I'm looking for the pure corner guy now

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Speaker 7: is what I'm looking at. You know, his metrics the

722
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Speaker 7: other day in that game, they threw four targets at

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Speaker 7: him and they were no catches.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he's.

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Speaker 7: Quietly kind of he has those moments where you're you're

726
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Speaker 7: playing games where the separation is not big, the tight

727
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Speaker 7: window throws or tight window throws with him, he's he's

728
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Speaker 7: got a lot of the metrics and things that you

729
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Speaker 7: really really like in a corner. But the position flegs part. Man,

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Speaker 7: I'm looking at the team now, I'm looking at a

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Speaker 7: team that's got some safeties. I don't know if you

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Speaker 7: have to have the position flex with him.

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Speaker 6: Well, but they may only decide that they want to

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Speaker 6: keep four of those safeties. And if you keep four

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Speaker 6: of them, as we know as.

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Speaker 3: Well, they could go six and four.

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Speaker 6: My point is, if you keep four of those, all

738
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Speaker 6: it takes is one game or two games where you

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Speaker 6: lose two guys and all of a sudden you are strapped.

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Speaker 6: Having that guy who has the abilities over there. You're right,

741
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Speaker 6: especially if you think he's a good corner as well. Right,

742
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Speaker 6: that does add some value to your team that that

743
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Speaker 6: you may have, especially if he can play special team

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Speaker 6: on top of that.

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Speaker 5: In addition, he was getting a lot of Nickel reps

746
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Speaker 5: in that game on Saturday. El that's I think. Whatever

747
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Speaker 5: you look at. Oh no, he yes, secondary versatility, he

748
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Speaker 5: could play any spot.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, he gets That's the thing about there's a

750
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Speaker 7: lot of positive things about him, and I always felt

751
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Speaker 7: like he had one foot in the parking lot. He

752
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Speaker 7: was kind of like nay Sean Wright to me. You know,

753
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Speaker 7: They're like, Okay, it's yere four. You know, here we go.

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Speaker 7: What do you got going here? And so it makes

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Speaker 7: a lot of sense, though, all right, we're gonna take

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Speaker 7: our final break.

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Speaker 6: We'll come back and I'm gonna go through some of

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Speaker 6: these positions, and I want to get some ideas from

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Speaker 6: you guys on not only what you saw, but kind

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Speaker 6: of where you see things shaking out with some of

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Speaker 6: these guys, some of these names you've already mentioned. We

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Speaker 6: want to put it in context from the position standpoint,

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Speaker 6: what do that.

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Speaker 4: It's been a it's been a good camp.

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Speaker 6: It's been a really good camp so far, and I

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Speaker 6: think we've gotten a lot done. I think this team

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Speaker 6: has gotten a lot done. There are a lot of

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Speaker 6: things that were kind of hazy I think going into

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Speaker 6: camp that I think have cleared up a lot for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: from the standpoint of where I'm looking at this team

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Speaker 6: and where what I think their their possibilities are, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

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Speaker 5: I'll look on the defensive side of the ball and

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Speaker 5: compared to where I came in into camp with the with

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Speaker 5: the idea of Mike Zimmer's first year defense, compared to

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Speaker 5: what I'm coming out with, I feel really confident that

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Speaker 5: this is a better unit, you know, on this team,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not I'm sure I could have said that

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Speaker 5: coming in experience.

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Speaker 2: Depth.

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Speaker 5: I think depth is probably the biggest thing, and that

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Speaker 5: that second level, the linebacker replace.

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Speaker 6: That it was it linebackers and what changes its defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the linebackers will make this run defense better.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, But you say the depth because a lot of

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Speaker 7: depth went out the door.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like the depth that went out the door?

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Speaker 7: The Armstrongs, the foulers, the curses, those kinds of guys

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00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 7: you think that they've replaced or they've shown enough obviously

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Speaker 7: had because you think it's it's something they've gotten better.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say they've necessarily replaced the edge depth or

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00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: the defensive tackle depth because you lose guy like Hankins too.

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Speaker 5: That's certainly a part of that. I still have some

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Speaker 5: questions up front, don't get me wrong, but they are doing.

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Speaker 2: A lot to address those bodies.

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Speaker 5: They're going and getting carlast and they're going and trading

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Speaker 5: for Jordan Phillips. You know, they're being proactive in that

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Speaker 5: in that sense, and I think that second level is

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Speaker 5: just going to be able to help out the entire defense.

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Speaker 5: I really do feel like the linebackers that they have added,

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Speaker 5: not only from getting over shown back from injury, but

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Speaker 5: Kendricks and free agency, drafting, leafl and the steps that

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Speaker 5: he's taken in his rookie minute camp. I feel really

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Speaker 5: good about the entire defense because of that unit.

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Speaker 7: I like to thank Dan Quinn for something, you know,

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Speaker 7: and maybe this is the wrong way of doing it,

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Speaker 7: but thank you for not taking.

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Speaker 3: Al Harris with you.

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Speaker 7: No doubt, I think Al Harris has been the guy

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Speaker 7: that I really love watching coach. I think these these

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Speaker 7: the secondary has responded to him. I think Mike Zimmer

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Speaker 7: never have coached with him. Known Al Harris from his

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Speaker 7: days in Green Bay and playing in those kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to respect.

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Speaker 7: He is a guy that he he shows emotion, he

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Speaker 7: shows passion, he's these guys respond to him the way

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Speaker 7: he coaches. He's not a yeller, screamer guy. But man,

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Speaker 7: when his kids make plays, he's with them, he's you know,

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Speaker 7: he's fired up for him.

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Speaker 3: But these guys are playing in the right spot. The

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Speaker 3: safety room I think is better.

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Speaker 7: The corners look better that just the way the techniques

882
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Speaker 7: and stuff. You can bring guys in off the street.

883
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 7: Bring a trade for a guy booth and what he

884
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 7: ends up with eight tackles.

885
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: He has to he has.

886
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 7: To cover, but you throw him in the mix and

887
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 7: now all of a sudden, he's making plays with the

888
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 7: thought of, hey, he's made my team, that kind of thing.

889
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 7: So I really do like what they, you know, coming

890
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 7: out of camp, what I've seen, how the defensive staff

891
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 7: has really come together here with that. And I'll say

892
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 7: this also too, I feel like though that these the

893
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 7: young Lionean, I think we got to where we were

894
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 7: all thinking this journey was going to go. We'll see

895
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 7: if the final the final chapter is BBS the starting center.

896
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 7: But I kind of think we're getting towards the end

897
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 7: of that novel that you're gonna get what we thought

898
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 7: coming out of the draft show that you're going to

899
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 7: get the left tackle and the center, and so I

900
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 7: think that's something that that I was looking forward to seeing.

901
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 7: I think we're getting to that point.

902
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 6: You know when you look at this defense, and you

903
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 6: kind of mentioned this, but when I look at it,

904
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 6: I think, Okay, you lost curse. I think Bell is

905
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 6: every bit is capable of this curse, maybe even more capable.

906
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 3: Cover guy.

907
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, shut out, I think he may be even more capable.

908
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 6: I heard you say this the other day, Brian about Phillips.

909
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 6: Phillips is with a little more pass rush. Yeah, on paper,

910
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 6: so if he is on paper, if he is on

911
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 6: the field, what we think he is on paper, Again,

912
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 6: you've you've maybe gotten better at that position than you

913
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 6: were before. I think these linebackers are appreciably better than

914
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 6: what they were last year, mainly because of injury. When

915
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 6: you lost Ladon Vanders that was a huge hit. I

916
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 6: think they have even proved there you get Trayvon Back.

917
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 6: I think you look at this defense and you can

918
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 6: you can make the argument even with the loss of

919
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 6: Armstrong and Fouler, you can make the argument this defense

920
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 6: is going to be better than it.

921
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: Was last year.

922
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 6: That's something I didn't know going into training camp, and

923
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 6: now I feel a lot better about the defense. I

924
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 6: think at this point the real issue is just going

925
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 6: to be the pass rush. Are you going to be

926
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 6: able to get the pass rush from the guys that

927
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 6: are new to this to this defense that you didn't

928
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 6: have last You know, Michael is going to be Michael,

929
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 6: you know Tank's going to be Tank?

930
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: N What is your rotation look like?

931
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: And that actually leads me to that position.

932
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 6: When you talk about the edge guys Kneelan, Goldston, Fejoko,

933
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 6: the guys that played this last week, what did you

934
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 6: see from them this last week. From the standpoint of

935
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 6: pass rush, was it better than what you saw the

936
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 6: game before?

937
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: Is pretty much the same? And are you at all.

938
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 6: Concerned about the level of pass rush you're gonna get

939
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 6: from these guys?

940
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 2: For me, it was pretty much the same.

941
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 5: You know, I still like what Marshall Neeland was doing

942
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 5: in the run game specifically, but from a pass rush perspective,

943
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 5: I didn't see a whole lot of push being generated

944
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 5: from that edge group.

945
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: Granted, you get.

946
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 5: Karl Lawson, you can see what maybe he can bring

947
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 5: to the table as early as this Saturday. Al Kadi Muhammad,

948
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 5: I think the more snaps and more reps that he

949
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 5: gets in the system, I think he's going to be

950
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 5: a beneficial addition to that room. But all in all,

951
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: I need to see more from that edge group behind

952
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 5: Michael Parsons and DeMarcus Lawrence because I'm theorizing a situation

953
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 5: where you're playing, you know, Baltimore in Week three and

954
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 5: you're about to get off the field on third down.

955
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: It's third and five. You can't make a stop, Okay,

956
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: that rotation unit needs to come in. It's first and ten.

957
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 5: They're at the fifty and then that rotation unit can't

958
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 5: get any pressure on Lamar Jackson and there's another big

959
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 5: play right there on first down, so they need a.

960
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: Good rotational set.

961
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 5: I'm hoping that Karl Lawson can be one of those

962
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 5: guys as well as al Kadie Muhammad. I love what

963
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 5: Mohammed's done out here. I think he's gonna make this

964
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 5: team and be asked to play quite a bit. So

965
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 5: those are the two guys I'm looking at step up,

966
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 5: and obviously Marshall Neiland too.

967
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: And that's where I think we disagree a little bit.

968
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna come down to wheat or Muhammet's wheat. Yeah,

969
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: and I and I nothing I know. I'm just watching.

970
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 7: Is they very well could go with the veteran guy

971
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 7: with Muhammad, you know, I just think that the fact

972
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 7: that they've kept Weed around and you know, he's been

973
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 7: in the system and stuff, that maybe they feel like, Okay,

974
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 7: here's a guy that we when they both have that

975
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 7: ability when it to come off the ball, they both

976
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 7: have the ability, but they just don't always finish.

977
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: That's the thing about it.

978
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 7: I think that's the biggest thing with the pass RUSS

979
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 7: or the lack of that we haven't seen here is

980
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 7: where have been those finished? There's been times the Rams

981
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 7: I think got the ball out quick. You know, the

982
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 7: Raiders the other day weren't interested in holding the ball

983
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 7: very much either. They really weren't accurate throwing the ball either.

984
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 7: It didn't matter, I mean.

985
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 3: The pressure were. They were all over the place throwing

986
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: the ball.

987
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 5: The one advantage to your argument is that Tyres Sweet

988
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 5: has a special teams experience and I think he's a

989
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 5: better special teams player.

990
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 7: See that to me, And I appreciate you bringing that

991
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 7: up because we've seen what Bone Fossil has done. And

992
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 7: I know we were on break and I was mentioning

993
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 7: about roster spots and I was talking about good one,

994
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 7: you know, and I'm thinking, and we're really going to

995
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 7: have to put a young quarter on the on the

996
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 7: street because I have a core special.

997
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: Teams guy that I think is okay.

998
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 7: Now, they'll argue with me, they'll fight with me all

999
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 7: day and they'll say, hey, you're wrong about he brings

1000
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 7: this this this, I don't know.

1001
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if this day and age can unless

1002
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: that guy's like that guy at New England that was

1003
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame.

1004
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 7: You know, special teams player Bill Bates or something like

1005
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 7: you know Les, it's that type of guy. If you're

1006
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 7: a difference maker, I get it. But do we have

1007
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 7: a difference maker? Is a difference maker keeping me from

1008
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 7: you know, keeping me from having a corner here?

1009
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: How much?

1010
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 6: How much has the change and the kickoff rules affected that?

1011
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 4: Because you still need.

1012
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 6: That guy that can go down there as a gunner

1013
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 6: on punt, but as a kick when you don't have

1014
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 6: to worry about that in the kick game, like that,

1015
00:41:59,120 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 6: does that change thing?

1016
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 7: I think your most important people are the three guys,

1017
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 7: the snapper, the snapper.

1018
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: The punter, and the kicker.

1019
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 7: I think everybody else is you try and find ways. Yeah,

1020
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 7: if you've got a if you've got a badass special

1021
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 7: teams guy that doesn't can't play any of their positions,

1022
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 7: I get it having that guy, I get it. But

1023
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 7: I think it has changed if all of a sudden

1024
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 7: a roster spot on this team is taken by.

1025
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: A guy that is he's a core guy. We love him,

1026
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 3: you know that kind of thing.

1027
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 7: If you if I saw a difference maker every play

1028
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 7: that he was on the field, I would say, yeah,

1029
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna argue with you, I'm not sure. I

1030
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 7: see a difference maker every time I strap it up

1031
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 7: here and look at it, and that's that would that

1032
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 7: would bother me as a as a personal guy in

1033
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 7: the room, is like, Okay, why I'm arguing I can't

1034
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 7: keep one of my safeties. I can't keep a wide receiver,

1035
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 7: I can't keep one of these backs because I have

1036
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 7: a core guy that's a good player, but not a

1037
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 7: difference maker. That that's that's when team building, to me,

1038
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 7: gets a little hairy with special teams coaches.

1039
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: You know, that's my opinion on that.

1040
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sitting here thinking about it and trying to

1041
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 5: think about his his preseason usage as well, and I

1042
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 5: think not seeing a whole lot of them in the

1043
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: preseason kind of tells you that, you know, they're expecting

1044
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 5: him to be on the roster whenever cut day does

1045
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 5: come around. But it's fascinating they're going to use him.

1046
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 7: Is they're gonna use him as that piece where they

1047
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 7: cut down. The rules have changed. You can put two

1048
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 7: I R guys on I've learned that today and get

1049
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 7: him back that kind of thing. But they're going to

1050
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 7: use him as that veteran invested veteran like him, the snapper,

1051
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 7: the punter, if they need spots all you know, good

1052
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 7: when those guys are going to be and then two

1053
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 7: days and then they'll be back. They're gonna play the

1054
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 7: yo yo game with these guys. But to me in

1055
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 7: team building, if you could tell me, if you could

1056
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 7: tell me, he is an absolute difference maker. I mean,

1057
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 7: one of the best cover guys you had last year

1058
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 7: with Sam Williams as a gunner. On the other side,

1059
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 7: Sam Williams good or bad, made more plays than what

1060
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 7: good one man. And if you're I'm sure somebody in

1061
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 7: the organization will walk up to me and say you're

1062
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 7: full of asks, Brian, and I'm like, fine, but I'm

1063
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 7: just if he's making every single tackle out there or

1064
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 7: he's doing you know, then okay, show me show me that.

1065
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 6: All right, that's a wrap. We appreciate you guys, this

1066
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 6: entire camp. We appreciate you tuning in, catching us every

1067
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 6: other day. We'll be back in Frisco next week. We'll

1068
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Speaker 6: be on on Tuesday next week, Tuesday and Thursday next week.

1069
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Speaker 6: I think cut down Day will happen sometime next week.

1070
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Speaker 6: I'm not sure exactly what you today, but actually we'll

1071
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Speaker 6: be covering all of that, and then we'll get into

1072
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Speaker 6: the season. We'll get into our regular episodes every single

1073
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Speaker 6: day August twenty seventh, that's cut.

1074
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Speaker 2: Week from today.

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Speaker 3: What is that?

1076
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Speaker 4: A week from today?

1077
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 6: Okay, so next Tuesday off cut, so we'll be covering that.

1078
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Speaker 6: We'll have some some content for you guys, as we

1079
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Speaker 6: always do, and then we'll get into that that next week,

1080
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Speaker 6: week of Labor Day, that's when we'll start our daily

1081
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Speaker 6: shows every day starting that Tuesday, Tuesday through Friday that week,

1082
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Speaker 6: getting you ready for the open of the twenty twenty

1083
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Speaker 6: four seas Until then for Brian brought us Nick Harris.

1084
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1085
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Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys The Break.

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