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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Four people and the family

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Speaker 1: dog murdered. Why I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Serious XM one eleven. And in an ironic twist,

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Speaker 1: the killer now blames the dead mommy for all the

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Speaker 1: murder and mayhem. What mommy wanted to poison and kill

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Speaker 1: the dog too? I'm not buying it. Let's kick it

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Speaker 1: off with our friend Ashley Afonso at Box sixty one.

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Speaker 1: The owner of Family Physical Therapy, Tony Tott, his wife,

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Speaker 1: and their three young children and dog have not been

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Speaker 1: seen or heard from in weeks, and my staff realized

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Speaker 1: that something's amiss, and they followed him, followed the online

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Speaker 1: stuff and said he's really missing. A Facebook page created

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Speaker 1: over a week ago by family and friends of the

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Speaker 1: family of five looking for answers and their disappearance. They

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Speaker 1: say the Todd family had recently moved to Celebration, Florida

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Speaker 1: from Colchester, but say that Tony had traveled back and

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Speaker 1: forth to continue to run his Colchester business. The community

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Speaker 1: still waiting for many answers to the questions about a

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Speaker 1: family that was loved by so many in this community.

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Speaker 1: Over the years in town. He always seemed very generous, helpful.

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Speaker 1: They were always doing things for the community. I know

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Speaker 1: around Christmas they were taking a collection for a family

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Speaker 1: and need. Really nice guy, really nice guy, beautiful wife,

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Speaker 1: three children, Alex, Tyler and Zoe between four and thirteen

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Speaker 1: years old. Even the family pet not spared by the killer.

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Speaker 1: But why And I don't know if you guys have

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Speaker 1: been to celebration, I have been there and after this

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Speaker 1: case went specifically to the crime scene. It seems like

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Speaker 1: it's something out of a Disney Well, actually it is.

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Speaker 1: It is a Disney suburb. Let's talk about that. Let

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Speaker 1: me introduce our awesome panel today judge, trial, lawyer, court

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Speaker 1: TV anchor Ashley Wilcott at Ashley Wilcott dot com and

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Speaker 1: mom of a teen doctor Bethany Marshall Psycholis joining us

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Speaker 1: from Rodeo Drive. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD, twenty two on homicide,

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Speaker 1: author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer. Gary gene Grant at

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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author

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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet, on Amazon and start of

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Speaker 1: a Brandy show on True Crime Network Poisonous Liaisons Joe Scott.

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Speaker 1: This is in the shadow of Disney, not far from Epcot, right,

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Speaker 1: yes it is. It's just right off of Property Nancy, actually,

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Speaker 1: and that's what makes this all the more bizarre. What's

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Speaker 1: it referred to is like one of those that you

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Speaker 1: would think that you would find four bodies in a house.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I went down there after the entire

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Speaker 1: family was found and wiped out. Clod Cloyd Siger dot

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Speaker 1: Com Cloyd, it was really eerie because it's, um, I

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Speaker 1: want to say, a cookie cutter community, but the homes

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Speaker 1: suspect that some of those big, beautiful houses are time shares,

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Speaker 1: where people have time shares so they can go spend

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Speaker 1: time at Disney, right, Cloyd. And you don't expect I

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Speaker 1: have a quadruple homicide at Disney. Yeah, that's right. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you like all the time, you never know

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Speaker 1: I mean, every place has problems, but it is shocking

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Speaker 1: that it would happen there, and you're probably right. Those

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Speaker 1: You know, Ashley Willcott, I was talking the other day

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Speaker 1: College scandal, and I was saying, why can't rich people

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Speaker 1: and now that I want to compare that to this

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Speaker 1: tried cases together, helped process that scene. I think it

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Speaker 1: to process a mass murder. That's hard, Ashley, and at

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Speaker 1: least all sort of problems at trial. You know what, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: not matter if people have money or not. Money doesn't

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Speaker 1: could be other reasons why those with money, or somebody

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Speaker 1: I don't really get it to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalist

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Speaker 1: dot com. What really checked me at the beginning. You

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Speaker 1: Zoe just four years old. But the family dog. Who

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Speaker 1: either overkilled like methamphetamine, somebody who is crazed when they

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Speaker 1: Then they're afraid that the family members can id them,

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Speaker 1: Shrif's Debities respondent to do to reserve place in celebration

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics. The family had been there locked inside that

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Speaker 1: please bring her back. I need to see everybody. I

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Speaker 1: need to see. Just days after Watts went on TV

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00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: pleading for his family's safe return, he allegedly told investigators

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Speaker 1: where to find their bodies on a property owned by

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Speaker 1: the company he worked for, Joseph Scott Morgan. He said

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00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: he needed to see everybody. Well, he knew how to

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00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: find them. How did he murder and dispose of the

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00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: children's and his wife, NaN's body. Oh, he took him.

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Speaker 1: He took these precious little Well, what we believe happened.

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Speaker 1: He kills Nan in bed, laying next to her. And

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Speaker 1: let's don't forget Nancy. She was so far along in

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Speaker 1: her pregnancy, she'd been out of town working. She just

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00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: collapsed in bed. It didn't really take a lot of pressure,

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00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: didn't He thanks her first? Yeah? Well, some people say

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00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: that I don't know that for a fact, But what

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00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: I do, Yeah, I believed the sperm and the autopsy

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00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: report or you let's see, I'll go with the medical examiner.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. Yeah. Well, he took her body, wrapped it up,

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00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: placed it in the truck, and then allegedly took these

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00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: two little them at the scene, stuffed their bodies down

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00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: into these oil containment systems that they add out there

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00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: where the chemicals literally begin to render their bodies down,

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00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: and then took his own wife's body and buried it

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00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: in a shallow grave. And that dirt, that hard dirt

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00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: out there where she actually gave birth, coughin birth, if

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00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: you will, to this precious little child, Nico. He brutalized them.

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Speaker 1: And it's not much different than what we're talking about

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Speaker 1: today with Todd, you know, just hearing you say it

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00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: like that, Joe Scott just so upsetting. And when they

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Speaker 1: try to pull the little girls out of the containers,

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00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: the containers are about that big at the top. The

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00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: little girl's shoulders were that big, so he had to

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Speaker 1: push them down into the cruise oil container and they

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00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: became de sleeved as what was and I went, way

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Speaker 1: is d sleep? Yeah, what is that? Yeah? It's actually um,

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00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: there's actually a chemical that's contained. This is this is

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00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: raw petroleum, Nancy. This is not like you go down

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00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: the store and you use just buy oil for your car,

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00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: all right. We take things out of this oil. Uh,

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00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: this raw oil like tallyween, which is stuff we used

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Speaker 1: to strip metal with, Nancy, and that's what these little

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00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: girls were exposed to. So that yeah, so, and it's

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00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: just they're absolutely their skin and their top level of skin, uh,

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00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: the epidermist and down to the dermist, which is a

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00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: sub layer, begins to peel back, begins to peel back.

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Speaker 1: That's what's de sleeving in this and you know back,

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00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: you know in the top, Yeah, in the top of

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00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: these things, these little holes where he put the bodies in.

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00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 1: These are called thief hatches. I think that's an appropriate

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00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: name because he stole their lives. He took Bella, the

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00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: oldest little girl, and there's evidence that he actually crammed

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Speaker 1: and jammed her down through this hole, because she's got

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00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: scratches up her back. There were actually there were actually

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00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: there was actually evidence of hair and skin from her

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00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: body found in the hinges of this thing. That's how

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00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: brutal this was. And then blames his pregnant murdered wife Nan.

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00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: Now remember he's blaming her for the murders, even though

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00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: he says this, take a listen to Chris wattson his

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00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: own words that kind of can you were I don't know,

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00:31:39,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: I no idea. Shun just squined just that personally, that's true.

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00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: I think it is those long pauses as he's trying

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00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: to come up with a scenario where Shannan, his dead wife,

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00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: did the murders. That's when you're trying to think through

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Speaker 1: your lie. And to you, Ashley Wilcott, judge trial while

489
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: your court TV anchor, have you ever seen Defennitt's trying

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00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: to come up with a line. They're like, and then oh,

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00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: then I saw my daughter on the baby monitor. I mean,

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00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: he has to think through the story. You can't just

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00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: tell it because he's making it up as he goes. Absolutely,

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00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: you can often tell when people are lying. But let

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00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: me suggest this, even when Chris Watts was first interviewed

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00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, this is what's happened and this is terrible,

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Speaker 1: let me just tell you this. I think once you

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00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: start doing this long enough, like you have, like I have,

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00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: like everybody else on the panel has, you start to

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00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: get a sixth sense. And I have to tell you

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00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: when I watched him, I didn't believe him for a

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00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: minute because of what you just identified. The story starts

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00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: to change. They get caught up on their words, they're

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00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: thinking about what to say next, and then they go backwards,

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00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: and then this and then that. Even if they're subtle nuances,

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00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: you can tell, in my opinion, that they're not telling

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00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: the truth. Then he goes on to give a full

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Speaker 1: confession by the way on audio video. So all this

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00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: is a lie to all of you people out there,

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00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: all you lonely hearts women that think you want to

511
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: marry Chris Watts. You need to look at his confession

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00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: and listen to it. By the way, he's been sentenced.

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00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: So this is all a big lie that Nan Watts

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00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: murdered her children and then he murdered her. No, that's

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00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: a lie. Now there's someone else that precoursed all of these.

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00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: His name was Neil aunt Whistle, and I remember it

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00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. Take a listen to Mike Garcia

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00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: with ap Twenty seven year old Rachel Andsle and nine

519
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: month old Lilian were found shot to death in their

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00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: Massachusetts home. We may never know why this happened, but

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00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: we do know that Rachel and Lillian Rose loved and

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00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: trusted Neil Entwistle. Prosecutors told the jury that Entwistle stole

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Speaker 1: his father in law's twenty two caliber handgun and used

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Speaker 1: it to shoot his wife and daughter. He later drove

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00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: more than fifty miles to return the gun. The following day,

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00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: he flew to his native England without calling police. The

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00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: defense told the jury that his wife killed their daughter

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Speaker 1: and then committed suicide. His attorney said Entwhistle found his

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00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: wife and daughter dead of gunshot wounds and returned the

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00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: gun to his father in law's house to protect his

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Speaker 1: wife from the shame of suicide. But I condemned Neil

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Speaker 1: Entwistle for compounding the unspeakable nature of what he has

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00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: done by disparaging the memory of his wife and vilifying

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00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: the entire Matarazzo family by his decisions. Prosecutors say Entwhistle

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00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: was unemployed and deep in debt, say he was unsatisfied

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00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: with his sex life and was looking for sex partners online.

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00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: The prosecution argues those factors led Entwhistle to kill his

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00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: wife and a child. It never ends, and now you've

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00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: got this guy Anthony to forty four, old enough to

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00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: know better, writing his manifesto and by the way, at

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Speaker 1: the end talk about living in a dream world. The

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00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: boys performed in Nashville in July. I uploaded their performance

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00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: and a recital. If you want to see them, they're amazing,

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Speaker 1: They're dead, you kill them, rot in hell. That's my

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Speaker 1: message to utt. This is a crime online dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's great reading, but don't believe it. We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unfolds Nancy Gray' crime story, signing off goodbye friend,