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Speaker 1: Hi'm George and Orian. Welcome to the new I Heart

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Speaker 1: This is an exciting new network that will feature podcasts

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Speaker 1: of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, please sit

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Speaker 1: back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Champlain. Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Samplain. For almost twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 1: On each episode, will discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 1: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Mankind has

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Speaker 1: show to share with you Shades of the afterlife, evidence

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Speaker 1: of the afterlife. So on this very first episode, I

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Speaker 1: Will also meet Sonia and Aldi, who will be coming

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Speaker 1: on collecting what's called trans images and audios and literally

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Speaker 1: So as far as the purpose of the show, I know,

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Speaker 1: for myself, I have suffered deep grief. I have suffered

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain. Did you know

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Speaker 1: that when Thomas Edison was dying, he leaned in and

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Speaker 1: Edison was a scientist with a factual cast of mind.

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Speaker 1: He would have never reported it is very beautiful over

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Speaker 1: Steve Jobs, just before he passed, looked over his sister's

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Speaker 1: Martha Atkins Ted Talk titled more to dying than meets

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Speaker 1: And a tipping point occurs if you think back. We

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Speaker 1: weren't around in these days, but poor Magellan circumnavigated the

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Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit more about this afterlife.

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Speaker 1: Through all the investigations and all the studies I've done,

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Speaker 1: Energy cannot be destroyed. So if you think of a

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Speaker 1: my friends, we are masses of energy. We have a consciousness,

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Speaker 1: Death is nothing to fear, but life is something to

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Speaker 1: death experiences, they really can't describe this, the feeling they

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Speaker 1: have when they're there. There's colors that we don't have

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00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: in our color spectrum. Here, there's sounds and music that

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Speaker 1: we can't hear. Now it's the like notes we don't have.

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Speaker 1: There is this feeling that everything is alive and that

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Speaker 1: everything is energy. We can have the house of our dreams.

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00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: We can learn whatever we want, whenever we want. We

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00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: can travel wherever we want to be just with thought.

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00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: In fact, we can communicate with our loved ones both

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00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: there and here by way of thought. It sounds pretty wonderful, right,

439
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: although we shouldn't be in a hurry to get there.

440
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: In fact, so many people say there are countless souls

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00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: waiting to come to Earth to have the experience we're

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Speaker 1: having now. I think we've simply forgot. But after today

443
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: we can look at life in a whole new way.

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00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: I'll be back in just a moment and we'll hear

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Speaker 1: from the great Sonya and Aldi about how she records

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Speaker 1: voices and images from the afterlife. We're listening to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Media and Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast AM hair a normal podcast network. Hey, it's

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Speaker 1: producer Tom of Coast to Coast AM and you're listening

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00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain on the

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Speaker 1: new I Heart Media and Coast to Coast, a am

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00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network. Don't forget. You can listen to Shades

453
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

454
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: or wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain and I'd like

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Speaker 1: to introduce you to someone very special. Son You're Ronaldi

457
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Speaker 1: is the founder of the Ronaldi Institute. She is the

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Speaker 1: author of seventeen books and has been participating in research

459
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: on instrumental trans communication for over thirty years, getting the

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Speaker 1: best results in the world, both in recording images and

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00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: voices from people who are no longer with us on Earth.

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00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: Sonia's commitment and devotion to her research are unparalleled to

463
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Speaker 1: any other person I have ever met, and I know

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Speaker 1: you'll love her just as much as I do. Sonya

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Speaker 1: and Aldie, Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. So, Sonia,

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your story. I know

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Speaker 1: over thirty years ago you got started, but what had

468
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: you get started in wanting to collect voices from the deceased? Yeah?

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00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: In truth, I'm hood that there existed to this type

470
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: of experimenting experimentation going on on Europe, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: is that possible that we could re good voices from

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00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: this season to once? And then I said, well, if

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Speaker 1: this is true, I will try to And if it

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00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: this is true, it is such an amazing discovery because

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00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: it is something solid. It's just not something that you

476
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: have to believe. You have something solid, what you can trust.

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00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: So I started recording, and for three years I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it didn't happen anything, or if it happened,

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00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't know what to expect. The factor is

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Speaker 1: that I had the patience of crossing these three years

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00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: without any result, and then things have started happening. The

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Speaker 1: voices started to speaking, and now thirty years years later,

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Speaker 1: we have wonderful contacted saying any images and voices and everything. Oh,

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00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I've been following your work for quite some

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Speaker 1: time and have been blessed that we've actually met and

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Speaker 1: I've been on stage together, So this is great. What

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Speaker 1: kind of equipment were you using? Were you using just

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Speaker 1: a regular tape recorder? No? When I started, yes, it

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Speaker 1: was the type at the time of the tape recorders

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Speaker 1: and so but presently I think that our technology on

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Speaker 1: Earth developed this so much that sometimes I just use

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Speaker 1: a cell phone nothing else. Mainly to record images, I

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00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: just use auditary cell phone. And uh, it is because

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Speaker 1: we have to understand that this project, let's say, is

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Speaker 1: something from the other side. They do. Let's say they

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Speaker 1: are responsible for doing ninety eight percent of the work,

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Speaker 1: so our cooperation is a minimum one. It is just

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Speaker 1: two percent perhaps, which is just maybe to turn on

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Speaker 1: turn on the equipment and uh put their disposal some

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Speaker 1: good equipment, but nothing especial. And I think that this

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00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: is important because what they are doing, I suppose, is

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00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: to test and get better in the technology so that

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: in future they can reach lots of people. So they

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00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: are testing and to developing, and that's what I'm in cooperating. Well,

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00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned the three years of not getting any results,

506
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: and I know a little bit about your story and

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00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: the scientists on the other side that work with you.

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00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: Your commitment, Sonya shows so clearly that you are someone

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Speaker 1: i'd want to work with if I was a scientist

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00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: on the other side. So you must have that commitment. Yes,

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00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: for sure, I think that. As I say, our importance

512
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: is very small, but maybe the only thing that they

513
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: need from us is the commitment, is the dedication, the seriousness,

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00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 1: good intention. I think that these will determine what we'll

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00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: get as results. That's right, And I know for myself

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00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: at one point I was really interested in electronic voice

517
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: phenomena E v P and I studied, I did work,

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00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I spent thousands of hours, and I did get voices.

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00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: I know we all want to hear from our loved ones,

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00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: and it isn't as simple as just picking up your

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00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: cell phone and recording, although occasionally it can be. Sonia,

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Speaker 1: could you talk about the other side, how they work

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Speaker 1: with you, and maybe a little bit about the scientists. Yeah,

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00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: and truth to what we whether I learned in all

525
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: these years is that there are stations, transmissions stations in

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Speaker 1: the other side. Um. I am now in contact with

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Speaker 1: with three of them. Initially I started with that the

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00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: South station that was for South America, and then when

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00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen when Tesla was announced to be

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Speaker 1: the new coordinator for all transmissions to Earth, and then

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00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: the things they started accelerating in progress. In truth from

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00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: that time, I I think that from that time to

533
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: to now we have the best results. So we know

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Speaker 1: that it comes from North Station, and there is another

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Speaker 1: station over a Europe which is called Central Station. And

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Speaker 1: I think that people sometimes has difficulty in understanding that

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00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: the other side has physical laboratories, physical houses. It is

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00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: a real life if and I know that people has

539
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: difficult to understand it. But I think that in spirit

540
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: is literature. This is very clear, and they are some

541
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: way solid, not as solid as we are, but they

542
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: are always, they are able, They have equipments, they develop

543
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: equipments in the other side, so it is something solid,

544
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: so that the transmission to us is something that requires

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00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: a huge technology that we humans are very far it still.

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00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: But I think that what they are, they show to us,

547
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: what they show to be able to do it is

548
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: something absolutely impossible for us to fake or for us

549
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: to produce artificially, because it is a huge technology, the transmission.

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00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: It's something that it really really acquire, a huge transmission

551
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: stations and genius in the other side, inventers like Tesla

552
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: and others. Could you talk about Tesla just a little bit,

553
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: how you know it was him? Because I know you've

554
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: sent me a picture that I have to have you explain, okay,

555
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: in truth? By this time two thousand footeen once seen

556
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: a recording A lovely One and the city one. Mr Murray,

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00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: you know his wife Betty and from Canada, Canada. He

558
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: said that Tesla was aside him. And then I thought

559
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: to myself, Tesla, which Tesla? Is that possible? Nicola Tesla. No,

560
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: it is impossible to imagine if it Isla would be

561
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: contacting me, if he would be in the station and

562
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: so on. But after all, I thinks started improving so

563
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: much that it was quite clear that something happened. The

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00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: te technologies were being tested. And later he appeared in

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00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: trans images as well, younger, beautiful, smiling in photos that

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Speaker 1: they're never existed the own earth, And that is how

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00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: he appeared. And he is very generous. He helps us

568
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: mainly with his knowlogy and his abilities, obviously, but many

569
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: times he replies questions and helps the lofty ones to appear.

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00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: So that is Tesla. Oh, I love it. And you

571
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: had said he had never smiled in a photograph that

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Speaker 1: was taken while he was alive, and in your trans

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00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: images he is smiling. I think that's just great. Sonja.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Betty Anne. Did her husband come through as

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00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: the older man? No? Usually, oh them all the love

576
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: the ones appear much younger. And in his step case,

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Speaker 1: Mr Murray died with the age of seventy seven years old,

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00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: but he appeared as when he was some twenty five,

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Speaker 1: and his wife sent me some pictures of his of

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Speaker 1: their marriage and when he was this age more or

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Speaker 1: less twenty five years old, and it was absolutely the

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Speaker 1: same person. So they come younger. Tesla. Also, and curiously,

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Speaker 1: the young people, teenagers and people who died with the

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Speaker 1: age of twenty twenty five years old, they are appearing

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Speaker 1: as child. I think that maybe it is a way

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Speaker 1: to prove the authenticity because all those images, all those photos,

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00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: let's say the family doesn't have so it is something

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Speaker 1: that they recognize it because it is their child, but

589
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: it is nothing that they have at home. So yes,

590
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: they usually come younger. That's wonderful, which tells us, as

591
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: many reports do, when we transition to the afterlife, we

592
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: get to be any age we want. We get to

593
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: be in the best health. If we had glasses that

594
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: we don't have to wear them, if we are in

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00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: a wheelchair, we can walk. Sonya Back in the earlier days,

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00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: you worked with thousands of parents, mostly mothers, connecting them

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Speaker 1: to their children. I know you have done this free

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00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: of charge. In fact, everything you do is free of charge,

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00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: and thank you for that. Could you talk a little

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00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 1: about those recordings and the voices that would come through

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00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: to the parents. Yes, Um, in truth, I started with

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00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: voices right for many many years. I not even knew

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00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: or expected that one day I would record videos and images.

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00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 1: So I think that the audio was the most known,

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00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: and I started with that and for many years before

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00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: I know you, before I before Tesla appeared, I used

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00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: it to help here many many moths, and I developed

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00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: myself of many technologies, so that for some two or

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00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: three years I assisted mothers that could telephone was the

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Speaker 1: telephone to phone in my house, and then I put

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00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: in contact what their child children, and they could talk

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00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: to the children. And I was recording everything that she

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00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: was put in the quest and and so and then

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00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: I give back all the results to them and so on.

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00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: Later more recently we changed obviously all the technology because

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00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: we've developed as well. But yes, I'm getting some audios

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Speaker 1: for the parents. Is also INDI United States, and uh

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00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: I have the pleasure of being assisting many mothers, some

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Speaker 1: that you know, of course, and uh I think that

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00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 1: uh yes, and I don't have to charge because these

621
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: work is not mine. But I think that it doesn't matter.

622
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: I think that it is their work. From the other side. Well,

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00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: that's one thing I know about you. You credit the

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00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: other side. But I know you you're very busy and

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00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: you're working NonStop and I've met many of the parents

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Speaker 1: who you have reunited with their children. When we come back,

627
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the images that you capture

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Speaker 1: and even I'm happy to say images of my father

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Speaker 1: have come through. Sonia and I will be back in

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Speaker 1: just a minute. You are listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Media and Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network. You're listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 1: Afterlife with Sandra Champlain on the new I Heart Media

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Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast am paranormal podcast network, and don't

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00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: forget you can listen to Shades of the Afterlife on

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Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

637
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are discussing recording images and

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00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: voices from the afterlife with Brazilian researcher Sonya and Aldi Sonya.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about these images. I first met you at

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Speaker 1: an afterlife conference from our friends at the Afterlife Research

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Speaker 1: and Education Institute also known as a r e I,

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Speaker 1: and I was so excited to meet you when you

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Speaker 1: did your presentation, I couldn't believe that you're also recording

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Speaker 1: pictures of people in the afterlife. Could you tell us

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Speaker 1: about that. Yes, I think that we met um exactly

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Speaker 1: at the moment that the things were changing here for better.

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Speaker 1: That was the Let's say, I think that my life

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Speaker 1: is divided into before Tesla and after Tesla, and I

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00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: think that you quincided precisely when I Tesla was announced

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00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: and so on, and up to that moment, I was

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Speaker 1: recording images, but they were nothing very very special. But

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Speaker 1: after Tesla was announced, for God's sake, I think that

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Speaker 1: the images that you are not you don't know if

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Speaker 1: they are a photo from Earth or if it is

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Speaker 1: from the other side. The only difference is that the

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Speaker 1: person is diseased and nobody has that photo. But he

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Speaker 1: is the technology that they are using for showing themselves

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Speaker 1: in the other side too, and is smiling and happy.

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Speaker 1: And I think that this is a great console to

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Speaker 1: the family because sometimes they don't trust, not even that

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Speaker 1: the son or daughter is alive, and when they see

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Speaker 1: the daughter or son is smiling, oh my. I think

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Speaker 1: that this is incredible. When you first started with trans images,

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Speaker 1: I know you've done different kinds of experiments what were

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Speaker 1: you recording? Were you recording static from a television screen

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Speaker 1: or a computer? I think that I have done already

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Speaker 1: everything that is possible. At the very beginning, I was

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Speaker 1: recording a device that I don't think that doesn't exist anymore,

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Speaker 1: But it was something like a television with a noisy snow,

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Speaker 1: right and um. Later I went into television recorded for

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Speaker 1: many many years also, and then we started changing using

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Speaker 1: cloths and brilliant papers and everything that shine um makes

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00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: possible for the other side to manipulated the photoons and

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Speaker 1: created the images. So basically the images are result of

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Speaker 1: the manipulation of photoons, which is a very unbelievable technology

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Speaker 1: that they possess. That sounds a little like what I

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Speaker 1: know about electronic voice fane Amana, is that the other

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Speaker 1: side takes the voice or sound, whether it is gibberish,

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Speaker 1: that you've recorded, and they're able to rearrange it. So

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Speaker 1: it seems like it must be similar to what they

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Speaker 1: do with video or pictures, rearranging the snow into pictures.

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Speaker 1: Am I right exactly? Whether the difference that possibly, or

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Speaker 1: at least under our point of view, the manipulation of

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Speaker 1: the photons is much more complicated than the manipulation of

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Speaker 1: wave sound. The velocity is different between sound and light,

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Speaker 1: and obviously it is required to something much much more complicated,

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00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: mainly to produce colorful ivenges and more recently in movement

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Speaker 1: some heads over the love of the ones move move

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Speaker 1: the head that they move them mouth uh as if

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Speaker 1: they were speaking, and so oh, this is uh the

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Speaker 1: manipulation of light. That's amazing. And I've been able to

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Speaker 1: follow you in your e magazines emacs as you call them,

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Speaker 1: and if you want to see some of these images,

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Speaker 1: go to Ronaldi Institute dot org. There's so many things there.

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Speaker 1: We are even filming a documentary on Sonya's work because

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Speaker 1: for the skeptical mind, this sounds like something too good

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Speaker 1: to be true. However it is true. Sonia. Can you

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Speaker 1: talk a little about the Milligan experiment and about the

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Speaker 1: egg that you use and some of the trans images

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Speaker 1: that have come from that experiment. Yes, I was working

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Speaker 1: with a blast egg and one day, in one event

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Speaker 1: in Boston from your from you I I was talking

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Speaker 1: to Scott Milligan and he made a surprise to me

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Speaker 1: and he bought the equipment that I was missing for

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Speaker 1: carrying on a new experiment, which is uh not an

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Speaker 1: egg anymore, but domes and these instructions of about the

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Speaker 1: domes were sent by his guide, Daniel Scott's Scott Milligan's guide,

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Speaker 1: Daniel sent me to use domes and water, and so

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Speaker 1: I did, and very very impressive the images happened in

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Speaker 1: these what I call it Milligan experiments. I've been grateful

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Speaker 1: to watch the process. Scott Milligan is the world's leading

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Speaker 1: physical medium and trance medium, and while he was in

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Speaker 1: the trance state with his eyes closed, a team of

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Speaker 1: scientists used Scott's voice and gave Sonja the next instructions

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Speaker 1: for her experiment. It still gives me goose bumps to

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Speaker 1: this day to be part of this. So for me,

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Speaker 1: I've seen hundreds of images from the Milligan experiment, and

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Speaker 1: in my mind, the person I really wanted to see

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Speaker 1: was my dad. Sonya very often sends out pictures of

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Speaker 1: unknown people that she's captured through her experiments. Several of

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Speaker 1: them looked similar to my dad, but I wasn't convinced,

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Speaker 1: so I asked Dad in the afterlife if he could

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Speaker 1: work a little harder go to Brazil and meet up

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Speaker 1: with Sonja, and to my surprise, Sonya sends me a

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Speaker 1: video of static materializing into my dad's face and then

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00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: it goes away. It is crystal clear, almost identical to

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Speaker 1: a picture we have of him when he was in

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00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: his late twenties or early thirty. But the picture we

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00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: have he's looking straight into the camera. This trans image

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Speaker 1: he's looking off to the side. Of course it's him,

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Speaker 1: and Sonia's sent me another picture of him looking just

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Speaker 1: a little bit older. Sonia, as a recipient, I know

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Speaker 1: your work takes me from a place of having a

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00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: belief and a faith in the afterlife to absolutely knowing

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Speaker 1: that the afterlife is real. Could you tell us about

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Speaker 1: the work you're passionate about doing now? Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: that it is something so curious that after Desla was announced,

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Speaker 1: I think that in each recording that I make, there

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Speaker 1: is an advencement, something uh new, always something new, and

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Speaker 1: more recently, um, not only they are sending an imaginez

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Speaker 1: it was the case over, but also recently many lovelier

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Speaker 1: ones appearing in different ages of their own life. I

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00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: recorded for some American months and their daughters appeared something

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00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: like let's say, uh one was Rochelle. Rochelle died with

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Speaker 1: the age of twenty one, and then she appeared in

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Speaker 1: an image absolutely beautiful with it let's say fifteen years old,

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00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: and then twelve, and then nine and then six, So

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Speaker 1: she went back back in time and with very clear images.

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Speaker 1: And then when I sent it to the family, the

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Speaker 1: trans images, the family sent me some pictures when she

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00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: was a little child, and it is precisely the same person.

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Speaker 1: And obviously I didn't see these image photos before. So

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Speaker 1: it's just a new phenomenon that is happening, and it

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00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: is something that we cannot explain. How it happens, we

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00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: don't know, but it is comforting many months, it's wonderful,

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00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: and you and I have met so many people that

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00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: have received these images. I know we will never heal

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00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: completely from grief, and we'll always miss our loved one,

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00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: but your work brings so much comfort and lets us

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00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: know that our loved ones are alive and we will

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Speaker 1: see them again. Sonia, can you tell us one of

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Speaker 1: your favorite stories about a reconnection with a parent and

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Speaker 1: a child. Okay, I have a very interesting affect that

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00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: happened three days ago, so it is very fresh. It

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Speaker 1: was this way I made some recordings to a mother.

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Speaker 1: Call it Robin from the United States. She lost her

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Speaker 1: daughter Roman at the age of eighteen with brain tumor,

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Speaker 1: and about two or three weeks ago I recorded and

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Speaker 1: Roman appeared beautiful in many trans images, very impressive because

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Speaker 1: of the colors, very very colorful, and very very similar

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Speaker 1: to the photos that the family sent me after. But

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Speaker 1: the interesting point was this, um I was making the

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Speaker 1: report that was reported our reported to eight no sorry

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Speaker 1: at nine, and then I was finishing and telling Rowan's

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00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: story and so on, put the images, and then at

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Speaker 1: the end I felt as an intuition that I that

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Speaker 1: Rowan would you like to offer a flower to her mother?

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Speaker 1: So it was a surprise obviously. At the end of

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Speaker 1: my text, I got a flower, a design of a

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Speaker 1: flower photo from internet. Uh put in the last page

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00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: and made a dedication to Robbing, and I said, I

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Speaker 1: felt that row and not they like to offer this

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00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: flower to her mother and also to all the mothers

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Speaker 1: that were participating in these experiences and so on and

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Speaker 1: so on. Okay, so we sent the report and then

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Speaker 1: now Robbing wrote back, surprised because she said, look, the

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Speaker 1: flower that you chose, it was just one flower. The

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Speaker 1: flower that you chose at the internet is casually my favorite,

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Speaker 1: and she gave it the name. I don't know. The

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Speaker 1: name is precisely my favorite, and the Roulin knew about

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Speaker 1: that because once I painted a self portrait UH with

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00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,959
Speaker 1: these precisely type of flower at my side, and Rowan

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00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: knew about that. So it does something so unexpected because

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Speaker 1: obviously I didn't know any of these and then I

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that Rowan wanted it to offer that flower.

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00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: So I think it's a curiosity story. That's a lovely story. Sonya,

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Speaker 1: thank you from the bottom of our hearts for being

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Speaker 1: our guest today. My pleasure. I said it earlier. The

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Speaker 1: work you do is unparalleled. I know you credit the

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00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: scientists on the other side, but I know without your

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00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: love and your dedication, there wouldn't be so many thousands

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00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: of hearts reunited with their loved ones. I know grief

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00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: does not fully go away, but when you see a

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00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: trans image of your loved one, your life will never

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Speaker 1: be the same. You can find out more about Sonja

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Speaker 1: and her work at Ranaldi Institute dot org. You can

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Speaker 1: even watch a preview of our upcoming documentary. Thank you

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00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: again to Sonja and to you our listeners. A big

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Speaker 1: thank you for spending this time with us. Please join

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Speaker 1: us on our next episode of Shades of the Afterlife

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Speaker 1: and we'll meet a husband and wife team of psychic

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Speaker 1: mediums and we'll find out the truth about mediumship. We'll

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Speaker 1: also answer the question do our pets join us in

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