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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is They called me Ben. We are joined as always

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Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decond. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. As our fellow

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Speaker 1: long time listeners know, we're all film buffs here and

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know, big fans of

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Speaker 1: cinema in almost any form, and today we're diving into

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Speaker 1: film conspiracies of all types. Right, Like we would say

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Speaker 1: we're film buffs. I only like movies. Oh yeah, you are,

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Speaker 1: you're a movie man. Well you know, I officially have

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Speaker 1: a degree in filmmaking, although without the actual film. You're

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Speaker 1: a professor of cinema. No, alright, no, no, I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying like I'm I'm all about this kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: But we're not here alone. That's true, Matt. Today we

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Speaker 1: are joined with our collective pal uh pioneer podcasting, a

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Speaker 1: personal friend of ours to boot Charles W. Chuck Bryant,

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Speaker 1: host of Movie Crush as well as stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the show, Chuck. Hey guys, Hey man,

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Speaker 1: I've got so many questions already. Yeah, Ben, question for

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Speaker 1: I was, I just wanted to leave people in out

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Speaker 1: screw spaghetti westerns. I hate Ennio Morricone. I love Ennio Morricone,

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Speaker 1: So it would have been driving some tension into our relationship.

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Speaker 1: But not all films are for all people. You're probably

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Speaker 1: not a fan of snuff films for example. Yeah, actually,

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Speaker 1: I hope that's not a hot take. I'm not you know.

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Speaker 1: There you go, call me old fashioned answer. So we

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Speaker 1: um for for backgrounds, how would you describe Movie Crush

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Speaker 1: Crust started as uh, is hey, let me interview a

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Speaker 1: celebrity and release every Friday and they talk about their

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Speaker 1: it is still that at times, but it is morphed

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Speaker 1: turns out booking celebrities is a hard thing to do.

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Speaker 1: What and I got kind of sick of it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if they come my way, now, great, I'll do that.

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Speaker 1: But I have a stable of friends and family and

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Speaker 1: reaching out doing this booking solo. We don't have like

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Speaker 1: interviewing celebrities and not my friends, family and colleagues. No,

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Speaker 1: it's great though, these are great conversations no matter who

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a celebrity, these are great conversations, Maddie.

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Speaker 1: We're doing I don't even know what to call it.

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Speaker 1: That's right. But another person you interview as a colleague,

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Speaker 1: my question that I don't have an answer to, is like,

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Speaker 1: in the theory, they were pretty close to releasing this movie,

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Speaker 1: but somebody, maybe the distributor could go through and make changes.

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Speaker 1: Whoever owns the rights to it after his passing, like,

429
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Speaker 1: could go through and make some sweeping changes to the

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Speaker 1: story before it comes out in theaters. Maybe that's one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons that it some of the conspiracy theories

432
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Speaker 1: continue to proliferate because something could have happened that we

433
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Speaker 1: would never be privy to. That's true. I'm just gonna okay,

434
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it. There's just one person's opinion.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's much sand too conspirat like as

436
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Speaker 1: tempt been and as juicy as it is cognitively to say,

437
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick and an immensely talented director went too far

438
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Speaker 1: and across the line, and the powers that be were like,

439
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Speaker 1: don't tell people about our orgies. Now we're going to

440
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Speaker 1: kill you. As as tempting as that is to believe

441
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Speaker 1: and as frankly fun as it is to believe, he

442
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Speaker 1: was an older man who was not in the best shape.

443
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Speaker 1: You know, he had taken very great care of himself.

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Speaker 1: He believe he was seventy years old. It's not like

445
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Speaker 1: he was twenty one years old and found with two

446
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Speaker 1: gunshots to the back of his head. Right. But it

447
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: does bring out something I think could be could have

448
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Speaker 1: much more credibility to it, which is the idea that

449
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Speaker 1: a government, or the idea of specifically the US government,

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Speaker 1: may be able to play a role in determining what

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Speaker 1: kinds of films get created or what kind of films

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Speaker 1: get depicted like. It blew my mind when I learned

453
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Speaker 1: that this is for are aspiring filmmakers out there. You

454
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Speaker 1: can get the US military to do stuff for you

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Speaker 1: on screen as long as you depict them as heroes, right,

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Speaker 1: or at least in a way that they agree upon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which I had no idea. Like. I'm not sure how

458
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Speaker 1: much say they have and whether or not something gets

459
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Speaker 1: made these days, but they can certainly if you're making

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Speaker 1: a war movie or anything that involves the army, then

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Speaker 1: they can make it really easy for you, or they

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Speaker 1: can sit on their hands and make it tougher, but

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Speaker 1: they'll be like, sure if they like what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: How many tanks you need? You need some helicopters? Whoa,

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Speaker 1: we're wasting your time podcasting. Do you know what the

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Speaker 1: fees are for that? I know? I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: we need to find out. What about even on like

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Speaker 1: Like you've got to clear everything? Yeah? Um? And I

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with it? And then either

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Speaker 1: say yes or no? Hey, have you guys seen the

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Speaker 1: trailer for the new Top Gun movie. Yes, I'm actually

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Speaker 1: It's just a teaser, right, like you don't really see

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Speaker 1: his face and there's a full trailer. Saw the teaser,

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Speaker 1: went okay, I gotta I gotta buddy and check it out.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, I was not like I saw a

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Speaker 1: I wasn't some big top gun nut. But when I

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Speaker 1: Why am I so in love with the idea of

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys. The question that we're looking at currently is, uh,

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Speaker 1: whether the weather a government specifically the US government, can

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Speaker 1: influence the kind of films that get made or the

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Speaker 1: kind of narratives we see. Uh. The answer to that

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Speaker 1: in days of yore was yes, you know, to to

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Speaker 1: some degree or another. But the answer now maybe becomes

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Speaker 1: a little more complicated. Right. We have indeed, there's this

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Speaker 1: democratization of filmmaking technology, so we have more people who

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Speaker 1: don't have to be beholden to a studio. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know, man, I know it's very on brand for

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Speaker 1: me to be like, see I is dictating mc U

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Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't think they would bother.

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Speaker 1: I would say that the control mechanisms, to a large

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Speaker 1: part are still in place, but it's mostly the distribution arms.

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Speaker 1: Like you, you could make the coolest indie film ever,

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Speaker 1: but you may not get anyone to see it, no

543
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Speaker 1: matter how trending something becomes, if it's not you know,

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Speaker 1: fully out there somewhere. Uh. And you've got ads popping

545
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Speaker 1: up every somebody's paying for ads, somebody's paying for posters,

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Speaker 1: somebody's paying for all this stuff. You're not gonna have

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Speaker 1: the same reach. And maybe that's maybe that's wrong thinking though,

548
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Speaker 1: because anything that goes viral online could be potentially seen

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Speaker 1: by well, that's true. I mean, that's why no one's

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Speaker 1: cracked the code on how to make things go viral.

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Speaker 1: P See, this is the This is one of those

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Speaker 1: things that you and I have different things. What do

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Speaker 1: you think, Well, think it's all like stage. Well, there's more, sure,

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Speaker 1: there are more opportunities to spread things, but there are

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Speaker 1: fewer people holding the faucets of that information. To to

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Speaker 1: say that Facebook could not artificially make something quote unquote viral,

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Speaker 1: to say that they don't have that capability is willfully

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't, norfully wrong. I absolutely think

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Speaker 1: they do. But I also would like to believe that

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Speaker 1: things succeed or fail on their own merits, at least

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Speaker 1: some of the time. I would think. So, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think we're in the grips of

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Speaker 1: some corporate scythe overlord. I mean, if that cat playing

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Speaker 1: the piano video didn't succeed, is because of its sheer awesomeness.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what I believe in what a

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Speaker 1: chaotic universe? There's a Oh, this is one example that

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Speaker 1: I think is very real. Have have you guys film

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Speaker 1: buffs noticed, uh, the tendon like the growth of the

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Speaker 1: Chinese mainland film market, right, it's huge. Have you guys

570
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Speaker 1: noticed that the tendency for blockbuster films to be cut

571
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Speaker 1: have seemed added or deleted for the Chinese market. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about this, right, Like they don't like ghosts. There's

573
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Speaker 1: certain things they don't like they have to take out.

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Speaker 1: I think ghost is one of them. If I'm not

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Speaker 1: totally just out on a limb with that one, no

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Speaker 1: ghosts and Chinese cuts of No, I'm not okay, maybe

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Speaker 1: that's not that, but there are definitely some cultural things

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Speaker 1: that like they have to soften and language that they

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Speaker 1: have to soften. Yeah, yeah, I thought I didn't make

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Speaker 1: that up. Have you seen examples of this? Well? I mean,

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Speaker 1: the only thing I can think of is something sort

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Speaker 1: of obvious like, uh, and not for the Chinese market necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but didn't they fully recut or not recut but digitize

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Speaker 1: the enemy for the Red Dawn remake Oh, if I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken, it was originally I'm not sure. I think

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Speaker 1: it maybe originally was China and they had to go

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Speaker 1: back and digitally replace the insignias and the flags and

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Speaker 1: make it another country. If I'm not mistaken, that's interesting,

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Speaker 1: and I wouldn't doubt that as actually seeing what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing with China holding so much sway over like American

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Speaker 1: like like American companies having to censor stuff like the

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Speaker 1: NBA for example. You know, I wanted to play ball

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Speaker 1: with with China because they have so much control over

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Speaker 1: the purse strings. And that's true because a lot of

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Speaker 1: movies that flop in the States do gangbusters business over

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Speaker 1: in China Pacific RIM, So you know you don't want to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's the reason they made the second one entirely because

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Speaker 1: of what happened in China. And then when they made

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Speaker 1: the second Pacific RIM, there's this very um there's this

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Speaker 1: very apparent leaning into this Chinese market. Charlie Day's character

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Speaker 1: for some reason is is like the white guy who

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Speaker 1: speaks Mandarin, and then there's also a Chinese general who

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Speaker 1: I believe gets a lot. He doesn't really get many

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Speaker 1: lines in the American version it's just that thing where

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Speaker 1: there's a conversation between like two principal characters and they

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Speaker 1: camera keeps cutting to this guy just sort of reacting

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Speaker 1: and he's like oh yeah, oh no, oh yeah, And

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Speaker 1: so I think he gets actual lines in the Chinese version.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's a clear example that gives truth to

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Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory. On some level, there are governments are

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Speaker 1: able to control entertainment media. Yes, absolutely, And just to

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Speaker 1: confirm it was originally the Red Dawn remake was originally

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Speaker 1: China Chinese swags and it got changed to North Korean flags,

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Speaker 1: and it's so they don't miss out because it's a

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Speaker 1: billion billion human beings there and they had a garbage

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Speaker 1: movie on their hands, and that American audiences wouldn't go

617
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Speaker 1: to see it. Well, have you have, y'all? Just to

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Speaker 1: bring this back into I guess current pop culture in

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Speaker 1: the new season of South Park is out and one

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Speaker 1: of the things they hit early on in the season

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Speaker 1: is this concept of Disney and films and all these

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Speaker 1: things changing their scripts specifically so that the film in

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Speaker 1: its regular it's an original form would just perform and

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Speaker 1: be able to be released in China as well, like

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Speaker 1: catering the full thing, not just recutting a version of

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Speaker 1: it or something. Um, it's just fascinating to me. But

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Speaker 1: it was all about Disney and all the varying properties

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Speaker 1: and how they were doing this. So they're just making

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Speaker 1: Chinese friendly movies. Again, this is South Park commenting on

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Speaker 1: a situation that it must be true. You gotta remember too,

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Speaker 1: it's like, it's not like every American movie ends up

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Speaker 1: in China. They have very tight control over which ones

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Speaker 1: get in, right, So therefore you want to level the

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Speaker 1: playing field by like, oh maybe China, Hopefully China will

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Speaker 1: take our big, giant, expensive movie so that we have

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Speaker 1: this whole other because Charlie Mandarin, that's right, yea. And

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Speaker 1: not not only that, I was just looking it up apparently. Um.

638
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: In Gravity and the Sandra Bullock movie, Sandra Bullock survives

639
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: by hiding in a Chinese space station. Um, the movie,

640
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: humanity is saved because the Chinese government builds these life

641
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: saving kind of like arc ships or whatever. So there's

642
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's definitely thought being put into, like how

643
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: can we please China so that we can get that

644
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: sweet sweet you know Chinese business. Your show is probably

645
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: not in China, right, Well, I no, I don't know

646
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: if we can get into China. I don't think in China,

647
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: there's no way, no, are you guys? Do? I think?

648
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: I remember at one point someone said that we were

649
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: not available in China for stuff. You should know, guys,

650
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: we gotta learn Mandarin or Cantonese. Okay, just we've got

651
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: the weekend coming up. Well we'll solve that. Uh. This

652
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: so the spoiler alert there there was another historical conspiracy

653
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about that perhaps is an episode

654
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: of its own, the Red Scare and the House on

655
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: American Activities Committee, But we want to give that due

656
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: diligence and also I think this is something that we're

657
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: wondering and um our fellow listeners are dread for you, specifically, Chuck,

658
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: what are some of your favorite, like most out there

659
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: fan theories about films or franchises, not even like real

660
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: quote unquote conspiracy theories, but like the craziest stuff that

661
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: fans have come up with. Uh, and also do believe

662
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: it or disbelieve it? So are we doing blacklist? Are

663
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: we doing fan theories and theories? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we

664
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: could do. We could do. Uh, we do fan theories. Yeah, well,

665
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked. Ben. There's a few popular ones

666
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: available on the internet. I'm not sure if you know this.

667
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: It's really pository for stuff like what the heck is

668
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: the internet? Uh. There's the Toy Story one which is

669
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: pretty good, which is that Andy's mom was the original

670
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: owner of Jesse the cal Girl. WHOA Okay, why did

671
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: that blow your mind so much? Matt, Well, it just

672
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: connecting it up that much because it was such an

673
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: important part of this, Yeah, because that would make you know,

674
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: Jesse sings the song about Emily, you know that really

675
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: said song about her previous owner. That would be Andy's

676
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: moms had a toy story too. I think that was

677
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: in Toy Story. Yeah, when she loved me? Did she

678
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: met well? I mean, I have a four year old man.

679
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: We've been watching them before that that one is actually

680
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: could be true. And Disney and and Pixar certainly does

681
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff. I think they recently admitted

682
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: that everything is in the same shared universe, right, Like

683
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: there's a Frozen theory too about the ship that Elson

684
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: on his parents are on, or the same she's the

685
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: same ship that they find in the Little Mermaid oh well,

686
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: and also that that Tarzan is frozen. I don't know

687
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: the ladies and frozen that they are siblings to Tarzan's.

688
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: Because of the Elsa and an A parents that were

689
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: on this voyage and they had a boy, they had

690
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: a boy that round, and the geographically where they would

691
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: have been passing through, it might have made sense for

692
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: him to, you know, wash up on it. Oh my god,

693
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: Ferris Bueler is a creation of Cameron's mind. That's always

694
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: That's been an old one. I remember hearing that one

695
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: and then it made me go back and rewatch Ferris Bueller,

696
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: which I thought was like I thought Day Off was

697
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: the coolest film growing up. Yeah, it was very It's

698
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: a very safe and ocuous way to fight the power.

699
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: What was the tagline for that we heard today? One

700
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: man struggled to take it easy Easy. Why do you

701
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: think they didn't franchise Ferris Bueller, he has his day off.

702
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: Why didn't they do? Like there was going to be

703
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: a sequel for the Beach like Ernest and then there

704
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: was there was a a very Ferris Bueller esque television

705
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: series called Parker Lewis Can't Lose That he was the

706
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: Heath kind of looked like Parker Lewis. Oh, thanks, man,

707
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: I think he was the He was sort of the

708
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: heath Cliff to the Garfield of Ferris Bueller. Yeah, I

709
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: actually like that show. Yeah it was cool. Yeah, he's

710
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: like cutting a cardboard cut out of himself and half

711
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: with the chainsaw. Uh. There, of course is the breaking

712
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: bad um meth led to the Walking Dead. Uh, apocolymy apocalypse.

713
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: You never heard that one. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff. Um.

714
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: Glenn in season one drives that red Dodge Challenger which

715
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: looks like Walter's car, and when Walter went to return

716
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: that car, the manager of the car dealership's name was Glenn.

717
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: Uh darryl Um. It's trying to bring down the fever

718
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: of this other guy. At one point, so he pulls

719
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: out of sash of drugs and there's clearly like blue meth,

720
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: like Walter White's blue meth in the bag. And then

721
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: one more merle. You know Michael Rooker's character early on,

722
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: he was a former drug dealer, and they described his

723
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: on the show, his supplier as a jankie little white

724
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: guy who threatened him with a gun and said I'm

725
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: gonna kill you. Can I say the word probably can't

726
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: a curse on here. I'm gonna kill you whoa so

727
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: ja looking white guy? And I what I think is

728
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: going on is I think Vince Gilling or The Walking

729
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: Dead creators put some like fun little references. Yeah, but

730
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: you know they have fun with that kind of thing

731
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: filmmakers do, I think, Yeah. People love thee the best ever. Though, Guys,

732
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: you know that Tommy west Fall universe theory, right, Tommy

733
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: Westfall from Saying Elsewhere? Okay, So Saying Elsewhere was a

734
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: UH show in the eighties hospital show and very famous

735
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: for the ending final episode, which was UH one of

736
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: the doctor's son. His name was Tommy west Fall, doctor

737
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Westfall's kid, and he looks into a snow globe. Well,

738
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: first of all, a character that has already died is

739
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: is alive in the living room and is a different person.

740
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: His dad comes home, the doctor, and he's a construction worker.

741
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: And so this is the very very last scene of

742
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: this whole long series. And then Tommy looks into his

743
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: little snow globe that he's always playing with, and it

744
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: is sant Eligia's hospital inside the snow globe. Basically, the

745
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: idea is that this whole thing. I think Tommy had

746
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: autism and it was all this world that he created.

747
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Oh so that's the beginning, that's the seed. Uh. There

748
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: were so many crossovers and uh, guest spots and characters

749
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: appearing like, for instance, the two Doctors went to the

750
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: Cheers bar one time as those doctors and dit Little cameo.

751
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: So there are all these little tendrils to whether they

752
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: have now linked four hundred and nineteen TV shows to

753
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: saying elsewhere, meaning if that was all in his head,

754
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: then all of these shows are in the head of

755
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: young Tommy west Fall, including the X Files, all of

756
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: Star trek Um and dude. If you looked at the

757
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: list you can go to I mean they have full

758
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: websites on this, and you look at down the list

759
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: of four nineteen shows, you're like, how does Matt have

760
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: anything to do with Wait, so there's a there's real connections. Yeah, yeah,

761
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: real connections. Some of them are sort of thin, but

762
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: some of them aren't, Like you know, Cheers, Pigett, Frasier, Uh,

763
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: Frasier had like a guest star that was ended up

764
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: on something else and then somehow that connects to like

765
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: law and Order and law and Order has tendrils all

766
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: throughout because all the different shows and all the guest stars,

767
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: and not just like someone guessed it on the show,

768
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: but like in character in the fictional worlds like Munch

769
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: from Uh he's been in like I think X Files

770
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: and a bunch of true crime shows using Law and Order,

771
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: so that ties all that stuff together, or like MASH

772
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: was something I mentioned. Um one of the doctors on

773
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: st Elsewhere went at one point made a little reference

774
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: to working with Trapper John. Who is that one of

775
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: the doctors in MASH, So like that's how that fits in.

776
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: And then MASH reaches another couple of things. Oh my god,

777
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the grid. Uh there is a visual

778
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: grid online that you can find. It's uh, this is

779
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: at a I'm looking at a leven. Oh wow, it

780
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: goes all the way in to Chicago. Pretty funny, like

781
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: Arrested Development is on their shows, Alpha is on there,

782
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: and they all yeah, I mean they're basically saying like

783
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 1: close to shows they did very much. He's the He's

784
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: like the god of the matrix. Basically Tommy West fell Um.

785
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: If you guys are familiar with the the PBS Digital

786
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: Studios show idea channel, which I don't know if they

787
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: produced anymore, but I used to love it. I think

788
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: I gotta start watching it again if they do. But

789
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: there is a Tommy west Fell unit west Fall excuse me,

790
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: universe episode of of that show. Really he goes through

791
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: and does it does all of the connections, so we

792
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: should credit the original guy too. It's a comic book

793
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: and TV writer named Dwayne McDuffie. Uh put this forward

794
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: in a two thousand two blog post. It's very two

795
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: thousand two bloggy. It is also this theory, guys, do

796
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: you I mean, I kind of missed that that idea.

797
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: You know, I don't watch television is kind of changing anyway,

798
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: but I I don't watch a ton of stuff, but

799
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: I would love it if I was watching. I don't

800
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: know if Black Mirror had a Stranger Things reference in

801
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: there somewhere that that kind of no I'm I'm with you.

802
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: And it is a little harder these days because I

803
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: think back then with like three networks, Uh, there could

804
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: be more crossover, but it's hard to like, you know,

805
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: Apple's making TV shows now, are they going to reference

806
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: something from like CBS? You know they can reference Everybody

807
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: loves Raymond or something right, and there's a lot easier

808
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: to cross over in those days. That's true. I do

809
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: miss it. Do that they'd be kind of cool. I'm

810
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: sure this one continues. And now I'm sure people are

811
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: trying to write in Tommy Westfall connections. Oh yeah, yeah,

812
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, just like be a part of the whole thing.

813
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with this. There's even cartoons like Dexter's Laboratories

814
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: on here and well then you can click on it

815
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: and see what the link is to the Tommy Westfall.

816
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: So cool. Yeah, it's pretty neat. I was unaware of this.

817
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: You can really spend some time. It is a real

818
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: rabbit hole that these kind of rabbit holes are inspiring

819
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: to me because they think, like, Okay, this guy was

820
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: doing other stuff with his life. He discovered this and

821
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: Dwayne McDuffie, Dwayne McDuffie is two thousand two blog posts

822
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: and now it's taken on a life of its own,

823
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: and like, is he getting paid for this? Did he?

824
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it feels like a passion project,

825
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: feels like a mission. And you know, I fell asleep

826
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: trying to put on a pair of pants one time,

827
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: So like this guy's really being productive. Yeah, it's sort

828
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: of like the Kevin Bacon I think, if I'm not mistaken,

829
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: At one point in the mid nineties, when I was

830
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: living in New Jersey, I met the guy who created

831
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: the Kevin Bacon degrees of Separation. I's gonna call it

832
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: a meme, wouldn't it mean? Back then, guys know what

833
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: our means are. We would draw pictures in hand them

834
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: around it one another. What a distribution model. I don't

835
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: know what color it though. But if I'm not mistaken,

836
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: and this just popped into my head, I think I

837
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: met that guy at a party once. Tommy Westfall, the

838
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: guy who created the Kevin Bacon separation thing seven degrees

839
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: of Separation? Did he did he introduce himself as that guy? Uh?

840
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: He was introduced to me as such. And the reason

841
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: I remember because I think he was developing a board

842
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: game at the time, and you know, supposedly, I guess

843
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: he owned this idea. I don't trademark that. Did you

844
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: look it up? Making it the Oracle of Bacon? I would, Now,

845
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm hungry. I don't know. I don't remember. I certainly

846
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't remember who it was. This is just some random, Barny,

847
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: this this is strange. Okay, So this, I mean, researching

848
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: this interconnected universe is very much. Uh, there goes my

849
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: weekend moment. So sorry, Oh no, it's good out there

850
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: for a while. It's gonna be worth it. But I

851
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: do want to let everybody know we had mentioned briefly. Uh,

852
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: House an American Activities Committee, would you be interested in

853
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: making a return appearance for us to do an episode

854
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: just on that? Okay, because I feel like maybe we

855
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: did and this is my bad. We did a bit

856
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: of a tease and there's like no cut that. Let's

857
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: go to fan theories. But I have no regrets because

858
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: I feel like we learned a lot. Absolutely. I mean,

859
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: I've certainly got a rabbit hole to play in a

860
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: sand sandbox, rabbit box. This is going to be one

861
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: of those times, box where you and I hang out

862
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: at the local bar reading the same web page and

863
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 1: just not talking to each other. Let's do it. Let's

864
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: do it after this, can I that's one last thing

865
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: before we do you think we we mentioned and you

866
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: just mentioned it again in the House of An American

867
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: Activities saying, do you think there could be a time

868
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: specifically in the United States of America where something like

869
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: that could happen again, like where the government steps up,

870
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: you think, So, I think it's happening. I mean, not

871
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: necessarily just that, but for sure, yeah, I think. I

872
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: think lately we've all seen how out of pain things

873
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: can get, just inching towards totalitarianism, you know, I mean

874
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: one day at a time, and it's like we always say,

875
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: it's like the whole you know, frog in boiling water situation,

876
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: where it happens slowly and then before you know it,

877
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: you're dead. Well, one thing, since I know it past Halloween,

878
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: but it it feels like it's always Halloween in America nowadays. Um,

879
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: It's true. One thing that we have that we have

880
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: to consider is that the most vulnerable points of any

881
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: any nation's life cycle is always going to be the

882
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: succession of power the secession of power. And so when

883
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: I was studying North Korea years and years back in

884
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: a different lifetime, that was the thing that put everybody

885
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: on international alert. When one of the kims is gonna say, okay,

886
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: my and this chosen can is now going to be

887
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: in charge. Hope everyone's cool with that, because there are

888
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of other people there's all this internal stuff.

889
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: We we have been very fortunate that we are in

890
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: the US. We're not a country like Italy. Italy has

891
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: not had a very good run of contiguous governance for

892
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: what the past fifty plus years. But here in the US,

893
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: we sort of take it for granted that when an

894
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: election happens, whether local, regional, or federal, that the person

895
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: who wins the person who loses shake hands. We don't

896
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: know if that's gonna happen. Now, boy really took this

897
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: a depressing note. You know, I think if Donald Trump

898
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: loses in the UH, It'll be a really really interesting transition.

899
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: I've are. I'm already digging in my backyard to make

900
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: a place where my family and I can hide for

901
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: several months. Um, hopefully everything goes great and won't need

902
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: to use it. I don't think like violence will break

903
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: out necessarily, but I'm having a hard time just picturing

904
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: him playing nice about it all. Well, that's what we're

905
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: talking about too, right, Like where you know, the normal channels,

906
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: the normal ways things are done that we've all accepted

907
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: are the ways things are done. This has kind of

908
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: proven that, like, maybe it's only done this way if

909
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: people play nice. I think that's absolutely true. The rule

910
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: of laws is a tenuous thing, you know. The example

911
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 1: we always use on this show is, uh, we think

912
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: we take the tack of the perspective of future historians

913
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: looking back on so many things now that we do,

914
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna seem ridiculous in like twenty years, forget a hundred.

915
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: One of the silliest examples that still holds water is,

916
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: of course, driving on the interstate explaining to like one

917
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: of your grandkids, well, we used to hop in these

918
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: things that would go ninety plus miles an hour, and

919
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: how how is it not a mortality? You know? Right,

920
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: They're like, well, we have this system of lines that

921
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: we painted on the ground, like walls between cars. No,

922
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: just paint, just paint, And we all kind of agreed

923
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: that we would treat these lines as though they were barriers.

924
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: So it was kind of an honor system. We haven't

925
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: had a saying stay in your lane from a very

926
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: quaint time, don't detect or you'll die. Right, They're like, oh,

927
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: so did that work? And the answer would be like,

928
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: kind of, I don't know. A ton of people died.

929
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: They'll just say, like, you drove your own cars, exactly

930
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: with your hand. It reminds me exactly, reminds me of

931
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: that scene from Back the Future to where Marty McFly

932
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: does is like fancy, you know, gun video game moves

933
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: and the little kids, one of which I believe is

934
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: young young Elijah. Would you have to use your hands? Idiot?

935
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: You know? Boomer? Okay, Boomer, that's a weird. So last

936
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: question that we're wrapping, what was in Marcellas Wallace's briefcase. Oh,

937
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: it looks like a yellow light bulb department. Wait, do

938
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: you have behind the scenes? You got some juice on that?

939
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: I got no juice. I never really got into the

940
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: pulp fiction theories of the portal and Marcella Swallows's neck

941
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: he was the devil or something or being his soul

942
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: and the soul is in. I never got into that stuff.

943
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: I just always kind of took it at face value.

944
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: I always thought it was gold bars. I mean that's

945
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: what I thought in the dinner in the California Sun. Yeah,

946
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: and just just a hyper stylized Hey, here's something valuable

947
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: in here things. That's what I was. So they big

948
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: up it a lot harder than if they were just

949
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: gold bars. In the movie, they treated like it's sort

950
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: of sacred and irreplaceable, unique object. But you know what

951
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: else is interesting too. We have to think of Quentin

952
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: Tarantino's personality. I've never met the guy. Uh he seems

953
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: like he can get you know, carried away, passionate dude.

954
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: Uh so, I you know, maybe he has an explanation

955
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: to himself or or I want to be like the

956
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: party pooper here. Maybe he was just like, okay, just

957
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: put it, put a light bulb in it and make

958
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: it bright. And someone's like, okay, well what is it.

959
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no, just roll one of these

960
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: yellow gels on it. Yeah, you're calling you. We're playing

961
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: off of his personality and the weird things that end

962
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: up on camera for him. Maybe it was a pair

963
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: of solid gold stilettos. Yeah, I was gonna say, maybe

964
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: it's just like a foot. Maybe it's just yea, he's

965
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: yeah speaking of shared universes though he does a pretty

966
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: good job of of that and fantastic and it's it's

967
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: I think it's right. I can't remember how we where

968
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: I was discussing this. It might have been not on

969
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: a podcast weird um, but like, yeah, you know, Vincent

970
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: Vega is vic Vega from Reservoir Dogs. I think they're yeah, yeah,

971
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,479
Speaker 1: there's more cigarette cigarettes, there's more, there's there's more stuff,

972
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: including into exactly. I just think that's fun. I like

973
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: it same here that it's not over Yeah it's world building,

974
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: but it's not over the top. It's not it's not

975
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: beating like, there's no there's no exposition about it, which

976
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: I think is very strong. You're not required to keep

977
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: it in mind, but if you feel like it and

978
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: want to dig deep, it's a fun thing to like

979
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: pay attention to. Yeah, the TV show Lost made a

980
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: whole However, many seasons they counted on fans really overdoing it,

981
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: that's true, very little payoff. Were you one of those

982
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: guys when it was all dude that was waiting the

983
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: fuselage that was the website? I went to the thing.

984
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: I was all over it, man. I thought it was

985
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: really really cool. On Deep, I was unspoiler forums dot

986
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: net talking to Russians about like getting the new not

987
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: even the new episode earlier, getting the new teaser. It

988
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: waned for me as the show went on, but those

989
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: first few seasons I was in deep. Absolutely it got

990
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: to the point where you realized there was no way

991
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: they were gonna be able to cash this check that

992
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: they wrote, like there's just not enough episodes left, you know.

993
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: But thinking back, and this is how I feel oftentimes

994
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: when shows that I love initially kind of jumped the shark.

995
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that it affect did my overall. I

996
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: still enjoyed my time with the show, which it didn't

997
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: make me just like completely thrown under the bus forever.

998
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. But they did a great job with

999
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: shared universe fan theories to even tied into clover Fields tenuously.

1000
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like that, uh which which was the

1001
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: one with the the clover Field movie with the Underground Layer.

1002
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was great, really, that really cool movie.

1003
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool. That's John Goodman, right yeah, yeah,

1004
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: and a real nasty s ob and I was like,

1005
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: come on, man, you're the guy from Roseanne. Cool. Do

1006
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: you want to hear my little name droppy lost story? Yes?

1007
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: So I went to h meet our friend John Hodgman,

1008
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: who has been on this very show. I went to

1009
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: meet him for dinner one time in l A at

1010
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: the Chateau Marmont and the dining room. They're very cool.

1011
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: The only time I've been there. It is by his invitation,

1012
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I was waiting in the lobby, waiting, waiting, waiting,

1013
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm finishing dinner. It was just like

1014
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: right behind me with a friend, just like, hang out

1015
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: there for a minute. We'll go get a drink. Also,

1016
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: when I happened to see John Krasinski and Emily Blunt,

1017
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: they walked right by me. Caught eyes with Krasinski and

1018
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: he gave me a very nice acknowledging smile and nod

1019
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, he is a good guy. You

1020
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: can tell just because he looked at me. He went

1021
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: just kind of smiled that aside. That's one name drop. Uh.

1022
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: Hodgeman finally texts me and said, come on over to

1023
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: the table because we're gonna be a little bit longer.

1024
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: It's damon uh lindall Off sitting there and I was like,

1025
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: oh hi. And it was right after Lost and um

1026
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: I sat down and within like two minutes he went

1027
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: all right, you gotta be honest and he was like,

1028
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: I've just met you. I don't know you. John and

1029
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: I were talking about the end of Loss and he

1030
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: was like, were you a fan? I was like yeah,

1031
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: and He's like what did you think about the last episode?

1032
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: No pressure, no pressure at all. And I was honest

1033
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: and I went, yeah, like it was all right. I

1034
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta say, I said, I love the show.

1035
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: I said, but I didn't love the ending. And he

1036
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: was very sweet about it, and he said see because

1037
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: I guess John was saying like, no, people loved it,

1038
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: and he took that as ammunition to be like, see there,

1039
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: this guy's being honest. Like I think he might have thought.

1040
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: His contention might have been that we dropped the ball

1041
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. But you gotta remember to like that show.

1042
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: They didn't intend for it to run that long, though

1043
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: I think they were doing well, and then the studios

1044
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: are like, keep it going, guys, keep that that juice flowing.

1045
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: And so then they kind of write themselves into a

1046
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: corner and like, what are they gonna tell a novella?

1047
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: You know? And it's almost like the Dark Tower novel series,

1048
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, it keeps, it keeps going, and at some point, uh,

1049
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: like there's this beautiful moment when you're writing a story,

1050
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: you're created world where you're in the middle of it.

1051
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: Anything's possible, right, and you get towards the end and

1052
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: you're like, well, Polar Bears. Yeah, what happened to those guys? Right?

1053
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: I'll never forgive him, Yeah, I'll never forgive him for

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Speaker 1: the smoke Monster. I thought I wanted that to be

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Speaker 1: something so much more. Put it in up being again,

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Speaker 1: can I can't even remember it was the embodiment of

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Speaker 1: the spooky bad guy in black because there were the

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Speaker 1: two there were the two siblings, right and enable esque Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even remember any too much, too much lost

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Speaker 1: lost we have. We have people yelling at their podcast

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Speaker 1: player of choice right now. David is making Watchmen right

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Speaker 1: now on HBO, and it looks dope's great. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: saw the pilot. I liked it. It's it's really well done.

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Speaker 1: And of course Alum Moore hates it. He is, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's already vocal that he hates it everything. That's my point,

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Speaker 1: though he actually spoken about it, or is it we

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Speaker 1: just assuming that he he's a great writer who only

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Speaker 1: writes to support his habit of being a full time

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Speaker 1: curmudget like that's his first love. I know. He lives

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Speaker 1: in a very small village, uh, and has lived in

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Speaker 1: the same place, a very small, modest home. He worships

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Speaker 1: a snake god called glicon Um, and he is very

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Speaker 1: into you know, witchcraft and Alistair Crowley ask used to

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Speaker 1: have these amazing YouTube videos about magic where it starts

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Speaker 1: out with like, Okay, you'll get this because we've all

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Speaker 1: worked in production. Starts out with like an empty chair,

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Speaker 1: just in an empty room, and then there's a there's

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Speaker 1: like a hard cut and he's just sitting there and

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Speaker 1: he's like magic. And Uh. On that note, though, I

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Speaker 1: think Almore is a fantastic writer genius. Yeah. And so

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Speaker 1: uh barring a Lost, a Lost reboot, a gritty reboot

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Speaker 1: of Lost? What if we call that? I don't know, befuddled? Uh? Yes? Found? Yeah? Found?

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Speaker 1: See the movie Crusher symbiosis? Nice? Uh? And where can

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Speaker 1: people find movie Crush if they want to learn more

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Speaker 1: about the world of film? Oh, well, you know Ben

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Speaker 1: and the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever

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Speaker 1: you find your favorite But guest, that's our official c

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Speaker 1: A heard that somewhere ringing in my familiar Uh this.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on, for having me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's long overdue. Yeah. I think a year ten or

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Speaker 1: whatever is a good time to have me on. I

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Speaker 1: said I would say, if you are if you like

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Speaker 1: this show and you've maybe joined our Facebook group. Uh,

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Speaker 1: movie Crush has a Facebook group that has just the

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Speaker 1: most fantastic people on it to discuss things. Movie crushers

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Speaker 1: Movie Crush are similar to our here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 1: So like, it's just another great place to a group

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Speaker 1: to join if you are a fan of movie Crush

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Speaker 1: or if you like the show. Yeah, and if you

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Speaker 1: like movies, it's just a nice community of people who

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Speaker 1: aren't jerks to each other and who share ideas about

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Speaker 1: movies that are very respectful and it's cool and check out.

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Speaker 1: I might be being a dumb dumb and asking this,

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Speaker 1: but do you post the mini crush questions on the

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Speaker 1: page or on the actually like on the group or

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Speaker 1: on the page I posted on the movie Crush facebook

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Speaker 1: page Facebook page. So if you want to get in

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Speaker 1: on that, and you want to join the group, which

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Speaker 1: is its own thing, join the conversation, but joined the

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Speaker 1: conversation for the show. Chuck literally posts questions the day

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Speaker 1: before we do these many Crush episodes where it's just

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Speaker 1: he and I kind of having conversation starters that that

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Speaker 1: folks on the Facebook page submit and to read your name,

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Speaker 1: read your name. You can become an old pal, a

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Speaker 1: good friend. Like it's really a whole thing. You've got

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Speaker 1: some recurring suggestions and people right in the page because

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Speaker 1: it's a very supportive community. Yeah, that's great, but don't

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Speaker 1: take our word for it, folks, check it out yourself.

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Speaker 1: That is as as Chuck mentioned, that is all the movie.

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Speaker 1: Crush is also one of the only places where you

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Speaker 1: can hear our super producer Paul Michigantrol Decade actually speaking.

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Speaker 1: That's correct, Okay, I just leaned over to make sure

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Speaker 1: Paul is still cool with us. Uh. Absolute pleasure to

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Speaker 1: have you out. Of course, if you want to find

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Speaker 1: out more about stuff they don't want you to know,

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Speaker 1: film conspiracies, you can check out our Kubrick episode, which

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Speaker 1: is available on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast

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Speaker 1: wherever you find your favorite shows. If you say, guys,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you and Chuck, but I

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Speaker 1: hate the social meads we have all folks, get it,

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Speaker 1: You can contact us directly. We have a phone number. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's one eight three three st d w y t K.

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Speaker 1: We ritualize. That's sort of an incantation. If you don't

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Speaker 1: want to do that either you can hit us up

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and uh, Twitter and all that were either

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy stuff or conspiracy stuff show. On all of

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Speaker 1: those v some variation there, you can find us individually

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Speaker 1: as human people, um, disconnected from the show. I am

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Speaker 1: at how now Noel Brown on Instagram exclusively, you can

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Speaker 1: find me getting kicked into and out of various communities, regions,

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Speaker 1: and countries at ben Bowling on Instagram named in a

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Speaker 1: burst of creativity. You can also find me at Ben

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Speaker 1: Bowling hs W. On Twitter. You can find me at

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Speaker 1: all the Cluster stuff versus the Nazis. That's just another

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Speaker 1: David what is his name, David Damon Damon Lindelof. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: it's another one of issues. Some respects I did. I

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Speaker 1: never met him at Chateau arm On dig. You can't

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Speaker 1: find me on social media, so come up and shake

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Speaker 1: my hand. I'm not on Instagram. That's how you know.

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Speaker 1: It's not a deep fa right, that's right? Uh? And hey, Matt,

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Speaker 1: riddle me this. If someone hates social media, they hate phones,

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Speaker 1: they hate I don't know, pigeons or whatever, we have

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Speaker 1: one more way they can contact us. We have a

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Speaker 1: good old fashioned email. Right, Yes, it is conspiracy at

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