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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman Junior, There we go. He's at the forty.

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Speaker 1: Construction Industry Radio studio.

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Speaker 4: Let's get the podcast started.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Official Courts Podcast. We are from the

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Speaker 3: NFL Combine down here in downtown Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: JJ Stankovitch's special remote show.

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Speaker 3: It is a remote show.

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Speaker 2: Show is on the road.

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Speaker 1: I love the ambiance in the background.

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Speaker 3: It is kind of good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We got the Steelers around us from Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Over year, Carolina Pants watched up to.

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Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers, Kitty Corner for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: I love this, JJ. This is your time, Lara, this

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Speaker 3: is your time. You guys are around here because there's

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Speaker 3: so much information being passed around.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I probably have done.

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Speaker 5: This is the first work I've done all day because

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Speaker 5: I've just been talking to know.

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Speaker 1: But from like the time I walked in the back.

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Speaker 1: That's work because you're getting you're probably getting some information. Sure,

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Speaker 1: you're learning about what other teams are going to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can have more informed opinions about stuff.

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Speaker 5: True, that's true of chatting with a few of my girls,

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Speaker 5: Danny Rodgers from the Detroit Lions, Danny Sirik from the

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Speaker 5: Arizona Cardinals, Tim Everett from the Minnesota Vikings, a lot

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Speaker 1: I can tell you based on conversations with like five

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Speaker 1: beat writers I've had here that no one's trading any

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Speaker 1: wide receivers this year.

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Speaker 3: No one is trading wide receivers. See, that's those are

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Speaker 3: the little nuggets that I like to get out of

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Speaker 3: the early combine. That's what I call this the Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: By Friday we may have some drafts completed in our heads.

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Speaker 3: Who knows, and JJ, any work you can do on

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Speaker 3: Chris Ballard's behalf, go do it because I know a

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Speaker 3: lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, I hold a lot of

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Speaker 1: sway when it comes to you know, we're trying to

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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen. All Right, yeah, I definitely can do that.

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Speaker 3: Let's go, Okay, Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network, The Great,

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Speaker 3: the Best. Yes, he's a great guy and he's been

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Speaker 3: a scout, so we we drill him every year as

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Speaker 3: a big fan Anthony Richardson and Shane Stike and so

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be coming up in a bit. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: swap a little stories or a few with him, but

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Speaker 3: I want to go over a couple of NFL scenarios

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Speaker 3: that are happy before this.

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Speaker 5: to be cheers to Jay's for going out and getting

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Speaker 1: Good for our video audience. You just saw me. It

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Speaker 1: looked like I just chugged the rest of this coffee,

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Speaker 3: We were talking about this and there's so many people

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Speaker 3: we're gonna talk to. In Colt's Audio Network. You can

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Speaker 3: find out all the great NFL draft gurus, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have a ton of them over forty guests

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Speaker 1: So it affects the cults in how you are going

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Speaker 1: Just because you have thirty million of extra cap space

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Speaker 3: So we talked about this. It's like thirty million dollars,

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Speaker 3: we don't need to franchise him. We've got enough cap

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Speaker 5: It does appear that this provides you some additional flexibility, right.

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Speaker 2: We got here?

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Speaker 1: Oh it's John Greenberg from the Athletic stopping by to say.

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Speaker 3: Hi, grab a seat.

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Speaker 1: No, we didn't need to hear about Justin Field's unfollowing

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Speaker 1: the Bears on Instagram. Go get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna wind up on Twitter at John Greenberg.

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Speaker 3: That is JJ's fantastic fan club here because so many

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Speaker 5: I think it does provide you some flexibility. And I

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Speaker 3: Oh, Shane Steichen, as we said Chris Ballard speaking to

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Speaker 2: But is he Diaz who is the.

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Speaker 5: Harriet Peters Com Special Team She is, Yes, she's one

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Speaker 5: league as a journalist, as a reporter. But at the

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Speaker 5: very end of his column he you know, notes and

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Speaker 5: gives regards to a few kind of up and coming

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Speaker 5: reporters and writers in the league, Ben Solac among them.

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Speaker 5: His great work with the ring Nice we get a higher.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's like getting like tapped by Uh, you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't need a pulitzer, give me the peter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, exactly. But going back to Philly though, like

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Speaker 1: a question for Shane tomorrow is about how about Alex

447
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Speaker 1: Tanney coming in his passing game a position that was

448
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Speaker 1: not on this staff last year that now you have

449
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Speaker 1: you've gone and you got you got Tanny from Philly

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Speaker 1: where he was there last year as their quarterbacks coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, a guy who was in Indianapolis for a

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Speaker 1: quick minute as a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: One thing, Oh sorry to no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was just like, what are we going

455
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Speaker 1: to hear about Alex Tanny and what his role is

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Speaker 1: going to be within this way?

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Speaker 2: One thing I learned.

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Speaker 5: So I talked about the great conversation with Charlie Partridge,

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Speaker 5: looking forward to everyone hearing, but had Alex Tanny as well,

460
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Speaker 5: and then justin Hamilton and you guys, will you know

461
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Speaker 5: hear all of these interviews coming up over the next

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Speaker 5: few weeks. But I didn't realize that in addition to

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Speaker 5: Alex Tanny and Shane having the rapport in Philadelphia, Alex

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Speaker 5: was a quarterback with Shane when Shane was coaching early

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Speaker 5: in his career with Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: With Cleveland when Shane was a defensive assistant.

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Speaker 2: So I can't.

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Speaker 5: Remember what Shane's exact title was, but when I sat

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Speaker 5: down with Alex, he said that that was really what

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Speaker 5: he and Shane created their rapport on was back in

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Speaker 5: the Cleveland days.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 5: So this goes back a while to these two guys

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Speaker 5: and their approach to you know, the offense approach, the

475
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Speaker 5: passing game and all of that.

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Speaker 1: So really conversation right, almost as good of a connection

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Speaker 1: as Shane Stikeen working as a grad assistant with DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Smith at UNLV. Yeah, that's got so much what you

479
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Speaker 1: run into.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: Also, I want to give a quick I'm sorry. I'm

482
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Speaker 5: all over the place today. I blame on the coffee.

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Speaker 5: I want to go back. This was released just a

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Speaker 5: few weeks ago on the anniversary of Shane's higher But

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Speaker 5: speaking of connections and relationships and all of that, if

486
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Speaker 5: you guys have not had an opportunity all of our

487
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Speaker 5: audience there, Colts Productions released an exclusive look at the

488
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Speaker 5: dynamic the relationship between Shane Steichen and his high school receiver,

489
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Speaker 5: former Colts receiver Austin Colly.

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Speaker 2: So really fun.

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Speaker 5: Tich talks about their dynamic and building that friendship through

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Speaker 5: high school. A couple of notes from that. When Austin

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Speaker 5: went to the Super Bowl with the Colts during his.

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Speaker 1: Rookie season, good one.

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Speaker 5: He actually called Shane a couple of days before and said, Hey,

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Speaker 5: if you can make it out here, I got a

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Speaker 5: ticket for you. So Shane was a grad assistant at

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Speaker 5: UNLV at that time, boarded a boarded a flight. He said,

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Speaker 5: you know, whatever cheapest flight he could find got there

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Speaker 5: and he's like, hey, do you have a hotel room

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Speaker 5: for me? I think he ended up sleeping on the

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Speaker 5: floor of Austin's brother's room to get so he could

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Speaker 5: be there when Austin appeared to the super rul because

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Speaker 5: that was their share dream. And then two the guys

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Speaker 5: would and I don't think I told this story today.

506
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure I'm going back a couple of podcasts.

507
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Speaker 5: But when they were in high school, they neither of

508
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Speaker 5: them were like they would go to parties just to

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Speaker 5: be social, but they weren't really about going to parties.

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Speaker 5: So they would always wear their gym shorts underneath their jeans,

511
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Speaker 5: kept their football and their cleats in their car, and

512
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Speaker 5: so they'd go say hi, to their friends for twenty

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Speaker 5: minutes of the party and be like, hey, you ready

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Speaker 5: to go, And they'd go out and they'd find a field,

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Speaker 5: fire up the lights so they would throw on it

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Speaker 5: like a Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: Said when I wrote when I did a story on

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Speaker 1: this last year, I talked to Austin and then the

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Speaker 1: high school coach who was like, yeah, I just like

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Speaker 1: trusted him enough to give him the keys to the

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Speaker 1: lights at the high school. Like, and he was like,

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Speaker 1: never got a call of parents complaining, Hey, where are

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Speaker 1: the lights on it? You know midnight? It's fun.

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Speaker 2: It's about eight and a half minute.

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Speaker 1: Piece or so, and it's such a cool look at

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Speaker 1: Like how those two guys knew they were gonna be

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Speaker 1: great from like a very young age.

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Speaker 5: Okay, now I'll tell you something that Shane told us afterwards.

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Speaker 5: He because I think Austin says it was like a

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Speaker 5: you know, naive confidence or something this way you describe it.

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Speaker 2: And Shane goes, Okay, that was Austin. Like Austin knew

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Speaker 2: he was gonna make it. I'm like, yeah, I hope

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Speaker 2: I get there someday.

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Speaker 1: You know, Austin, But Austin knew Shane was gonna make

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Speaker 1: it somehow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shane.

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Speaker 5: I think Shane was, you know, much more. I don't

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Speaker 5: if it's realistic or a little more toned down. He

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Speaker 5: wasn't quite as bold like Austin was like, Oh no,

540
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go play. I'm gonna be a wide receiver

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Speaker 5: in the NFL. She's like, yeah, I like to go football.

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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, you like these stories.

543
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Speaker 2: That's what these two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Lara Olverton, JJ stank if it's I'm Jeffrey Gorman, Guys,

545
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Speaker 3: I love this stuff. I'm gonna get to Daniel Jeremiah

546
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Speaker 3: right now, but we're gonna have some more time on

547
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Speaker 3: the backside of that one. So from the NFL Network,

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Speaker 3: from right here at the NFL Combine, let's take a

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Speaker 3: minute and say hello to Daniel Jeremiah. We welcome in

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network, the lead draft analyst.

551
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Speaker 3: You can follow him on Twitter and Instagram at move

552
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Speaker 3: the Sticks. NFL Network provides live coverage of the twenty

553
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Speaker 3: twenty four NFL Scouting Combine Thursday through Sunday. Coverage starts

554
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Speaker 3: at three pm on Thursday and Friday and at one

555
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Speaker 3: pm on Saturday and Sunday and you are busy. This

556
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Speaker 3: is Christmas for you this time of year. Daniel Jeremiah,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you being here. I want to talk quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see a couple of weeks ago four possibly

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Speaker 3: going in the top fifteen now top ten picks. Did

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Speaker 3: you see this when? Did it make its way out?

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Speaker 3: And are those legit guys that are going to move

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Speaker 3: that quick? Well?

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Speaker 4: I think it's a combination. You do have some legit

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Speaker 4: dudes especially, I mean the top three are going. That's happening.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's up for debate. Now do we

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Speaker 4: get a fourth? Do we potentially get a fifth? And

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Speaker 4: I think it's a couple different things with bo Nix

568
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Speaker 4: has had his kind of sponsors throughout this process, teams

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Speaker 4: that have liked him through the fall and into the spring.

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy's the one that's kind of come up lately because,

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Speaker 4: as I've said, he's kind of like an acquired taste.

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Speaker 4: When you watch Michigan and you're just passively watching him,

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Speaker 4: you're like, this guy do I mean, come on, they

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Speaker 4: run the ball and they play defense and he gets

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Speaker 4: to go along for the ride. But then when you

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Speaker 4: dig in, the more you watch the more you like

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Speaker 4: and you see the things he can do. And so

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Speaker 4: you have the players that warrant the conversation, and then

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Speaker 4: you also have the number of teams that just happen

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Speaker 4: to be in the QB market and whether or not

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Speaker 4: they absolutely don't have one, or whether or not they

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Speaker 4: don't you know, they're not in love with one, like

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones with the Giants, or you've got you know,

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Speaker 4: like the Kirk Cousins thing, who could foresee that he

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Speaker 4: was going to tear his achilles and that maybe they

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Speaker 4: could be a quarterback team. So yeah, for the teams

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Speaker 4: that don't need quarterbacks, they're loving this right now.

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Speaker 1: Right the Colts are sitting at fifteen, and it feels

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Speaker 1: like every draft there are what ten to twelve players

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Speaker 1: who have like true first round grades. Right if though,

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Speaker 1: if the if our four quarterbacks go off the board,

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Speaker 1: then theoretically maybe that could push one of those guys

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Speaker 1: down to the Colts at fifteen. But you look at

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Speaker 1: that kind of middle of the draft, where is the depth,

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Speaker 1: where is the talent? What positions could be available to

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Speaker 1: the Colts at fifteen. I know you had them taking

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Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins, the corner out of Clemson your last mock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you could get a chance to be

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Speaker 4: near the front of a couple runs, so you know,

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Speaker 4: we'll see the pass rusher run will probably start a

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Speaker 4: little bit before then, but I think the corner run

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Speaker 4: where they're positioned, there's a good shot to be there

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Speaker 4: on the corner run. And I'm fascinated too on you know,

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Speaker 4: the tackles, because it's so deep. You know they'll they'll

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Speaker 4: be quality players there. But to me, there's three elite

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Speaker 4: pass rushers and I think in a normal draft at

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Speaker 4: pick fifteen, you're probably not going to see one of

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Speaker 4: those guys. I think because the quarterbacks get pushed up.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a chance you see one of those

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Speaker 4: top three pass rushers. And then you know, the Bowers

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Speaker 4: thing is kind of its own its own discussion just

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Speaker 4: because of you know, the position and things of that sort.

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Speaker 4: But you's, you know, obviously one of the top ten

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Speaker 4: players in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's let's have that powers discussion because you

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Speaker 1: had him at eighteen to the Bengals. Ye, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I believe he's in your top ten on your big board.

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Speaker 1: What about that position and the skill set that Brock

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Speaker 1: Bawers has would lead him to be a top ten

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Speaker 1: player who maybe does not go in the top ten

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Speaker 1: of the draft.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's complicated and a lot of it, you know.

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Speaker 4: It's it's layered that you've got the financial component where

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Speaker 4: you're not getting much of a bargain because the the

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Speaker 4: number is twelve million, is the is the franchise number

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Speaker 4: for tight ends. So if I can go out and

627
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Speaker 4: I look at my board and I'm trying to build

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Speaker 4: my roster within the salary cap, and I have a

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Speaker 4: receiver number that's twenty one million, and then I've got

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Speaker 4: a tight end number that's twelve million. I got a

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Speaker 4: corner number that's nineteen twenty million, and I'm sitting here going, well,

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Speaker 4: wait a second, I'm going to pay whoever I pick

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Speaker 4: the exact amount of money. So if I pay the receiver,

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Speaker 4: I just saved all this money. And then if I

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Speaker 4: picked the tight end, I'm almost paying top of the

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Speaker 4: market dollars for a rookie. I'm not even getting the

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Speaker 4: benefit of the rookie deal. That's part of it. That's

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Speaker 4: not all of it. The other side of it is

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Speaker 4: when you look at tight ends that have been picked high,

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Speaker 4: the impact has not been huge. Kyle Pitts is a

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Speaker 4: tough one because Kyle Pitts is talent as any tight end.

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Speaker 1: I've ever ever been to pay attention to that to

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Speaker 1: the teams, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and people will say, this is the thing

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Speaker 4: I find funny is that the pushback is, well, if

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Speaker 4: you look at the best teams in the NFL, they

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Speaker 4: all have great tight ends. So why would you not

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Speaker 4: take a teen He's a great Why would you take

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Speaker 4: a tight end? I go, Yeah, where did they get

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Speaker 4: those tight ends? Not in the first round? Yep, Laporter

651
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Speaker 4: wasn't the first round pick last year, Day two day

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Speaker 4: You can find those guys in Day two and Day three.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of the other side of that argument.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network, stay there, I heard

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Speaker 3: you earlier talking about the depth of the wide receiver

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Speaker 3: position the group here in this draft. Are you getting

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Speaker 3: starting quality guys in the fourth, fifth, sixth round of

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Speaker 3: this draft?

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Speaker 5: Is that that?

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Speaker 3: Have you at the wide receiver?

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Speaker 4: I would say you get into the fourth round, I

662
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Speaker 4: feel pretty good. I think going beyond the fourth round, okay,

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Speaker 4: maybe you know, maybe rolling the dice a little bit,

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Speaker 4: but it's it's a position. That's the college game just

665
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Speaker 4: continues to spit these guys out. Man. It's just every year.

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Speaker 3: Your scout come on in a situation like Ballard's looking

667
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Speaker 3: at you got Anthony richardson offensive pieces?

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Speaker 4: You or where are they?

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Speaker 3: Then you're sitting there and you got a quality wide

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Speaker 3: receiver but you have Higgins going for instance. Is there

671
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Speaker 3: a possibility of it when you make your draft you

672
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Speaker 3: say best available? Or does Ballard say no, I'm you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm going after an offensive position here my guys there, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Think you know. To me, it's it's the whole best

675
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Speaker 4: player available or need you know? And I've always laughed,

676
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Speaker 4: I said, every team does. They do combine it. Every

677
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 4: single team tries to find the best player available at

678
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Speaker 4: a position of need, and if they don't match up,

679
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Speaker 4: you get the heck out of there. You trade and say, okay,

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Speaker 4: well let me get back where I'm a little more

681
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Speaker 4: comfortable making this decision. So that's when I think that

682
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Speaker 4: Chris is like this, you know, in terms of being

683
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Speaker 4: flexible and creative. And I feel like this whole new

684
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Speaker 4: generation of GMS is like this. It's why the draft

685
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Speaker 4: has gotten more fun to broadcast, to be honest with you,

686
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Speaker 4: because some of the old guard was strict and stringent

687
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Speaker 4: of we're picking ten, and we're going to pick ten,

688
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Speaker 4: and we're going to spend all off season studying the

689
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Speaker 4: top ten players. Whereas this younger generation. You know, last

690
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Speaker 4: year we saw Arizona move back and then come back up,

691
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Speaker 4: like you can maneuver around the board a little bit

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Speaker 4: to try and find your value.

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Speaker 1: You've been in these rooms, You've studied how teams operate

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Speaker 1: when you have a quarterback like Anthony Richardson. And something

695
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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard told us when he was on our podcast

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Speaker 1: in November is that we know how to build around

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Speaker 1: him even though he started four games with his specific

698
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Speaker 1: skill set. Does that change how you evaluate players, knowing

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Speaker 1: who you're dropping into that offense with Anthony rich Or

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Speaker 1: do you have to stick to kind of hear our

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Speaker 1: parameters regardless of who's playing quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you better build it around your quarterback. I mean,

703
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Speaker 4: that's any smart team would do that. What does he

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Speaker 4: do well? What is what compliments him well? It was

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Speaker 4: one of the things that I've said about Tua when

706
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Speaker 4: he went to the Dolphins was Tua played with a

707
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Speaker 4: track team at Alabama, and so that he needs. It's

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Speaker 4: about speed and space and then let him be able

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Speaker 4: to navigate around that. And that's you know, you look

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Speaker 4: at what he was early in his career. Then all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden, you have Wattle emerge, you trade for

712
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Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill, and he looks like a different player because

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Speaker 4: they properly built the team around the skill set of

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Speaker 4: the quarterback. So, you know, I'm curious with Anthony Richmond

715
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Speaker 4: to see kind of what that looks like and what

716
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Speaker 4: their vision is for him and how that will play

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Speaker 4: around him, because you could you could make an argument of, Okay,

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Speaker 4: we've got kind of a big bully at quarterback. Do

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Speaker 4: we just try and just build just be a big

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Speaker 4: team and then let him, you know, kind of do

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Speaker 4: his thing and run away from everybody and make plays.

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Speaker 4: Or do we say, man, with his athleticism, if we

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Speaker 4: can get a bunch of speed and just and we

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Speaker 4: can create all this space and and expand the defense. Now,

725
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Speaker 4: look at all the room Anthony's going to have to operate.

726
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Speaker 4: So I'm curious to see what their vision for him

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Speaker 4: is that with those surrounding pieces.

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Speaker 3: Follow him on Twitter X and Instagram at move the

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Speaker 3: sticks the best in the business, Daniel Jeremiah, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: These guys aren't throwing. Some of these top guys aren't

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Speaker 3: running right now. Do you see this as in the

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Speaker 3: next couple of years of combine shifting gears a little

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Speaker 3: bit with the elite.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think we've seen that. I did a study

735
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Speaker 4: on it, and we'll probably talk about on the broadcast

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Speaker 4: of like the quarterbacks who have and haven't thrown. And

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Speaker 4: I was I went into the process saying, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: be able to look at this and say, see, like

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Speaker 4: the last year C. J. Stroud threw and he put

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Speaker 4: on his show and he had a great rookie year.

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Speaker 4: And I went back through and like over the last

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Speaker 4: you know, ten years, and I'm like, okay, it's like

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Speaker 4: fifty to fifty. Like some of the top like Joe

744
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Speaker 4: Burrow's not throwing and this guy is throwing, and it's like,

745
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Speaker 4: there's no correlation between whether or not you threw or

746
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Speaker 4: didn't throw and what kind of success that you had.

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Speaker 4: But to me, look, I've always said, you're not gonna

748
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Speaker 4: hurt yourself. Right, we understand you're throwing. The guys you

749
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Speaker 4: don't know who they are, what they're doing, and you know,

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Speaker 4: so I just want to see you move around, see

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Speaker 4: the ball come out of your hand, and then those

752
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Speaker 4: teams will get the opportunity. I was talking to an

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Speaker 4: agent for one of these guys and he said, look,

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Speaker 4: I've got private workouts schedule with every team picking in

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Speaker 4: the top ten, Like he's gonna throw five different times,

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Speaker 4: one on one, running the routes they want to run

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Speaker 4: with their receivers. Like what And I'm like, okay, look,

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Speaker 4: I get it, but it is an opportunity for these

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Speaker 4: other guys that get to go out there and throw

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Speaker 4: to kind of to show what they can do with

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Speaker 4: the guys that don't have the five workouts already lined up.

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Speaker 1: What number combine is this for you?

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Speaker 4: So my first one was twenty two, or sorry, was

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Speaker 4: two thousand.

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Speaker 1: And two thousand and two.

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Speaker 4: That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: See, what's the best piece of advice you've ever given

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Speaker 1: someone or received about the NFL?

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Speaker 4: Combine the best piece of advice I've given somebody or received. Well,

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Speaker 4: I always like I tell guys this every year players

771
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Speaker 4: to bring their notebooks to the interview room. And so,

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Speaker 4: in other words, you'd be surprised how dumb some of

773
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Speaker 4: the questions can be but like, hey, how much do

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Speaker 4: you love football? Skill of one to ten and everybody? Oh,

775
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Speaker 4: I love I love football. I work hard on everybody else.

776
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Speaker 4: And I tell these players, look, how you can say that,

777
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Speaker 4: But what if you just reach down into your back

778
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Speaker 4: and say, here's the notes from this season that I

779
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Speaker 4: took watching tape from this is That's how much I can't.

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Speaker 4: That's how much I love football right there. So that's

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Speaker 4: the kind of stuff I like. I like trying to

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Speaker 4: help those kids out with that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Great stuff. Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network. You're busy obviously with

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Speaker 3: the coverage coming up at Sunday or excuse me, Thursday

785
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: through Sunday. Follow them on Twitter X and Instagram at

786
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Speaker 3: move the stakes last one for me and I'll go.

787
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Speaker 3: These owners are on the NFL sometimes they snatch a

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Speaker 3: you know, somebody on TV on air right out of

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Speaker 3: the general manager's head. Coaches included to someone taps on

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Speaker 3: your shoulder, Jeremia, are you ready for a GM job?

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Speaker 4: The only GM job that I'm after right now is

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Speaker 4: the padres And I think AJ Boreller hopefully has a

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Speaker 4: better year and he cares.

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Speaker 1: Off, so that's got a good return for wan Soto.

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Speaker 4: We've got a lot of arms. We'll find out if

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Speaker 4: they're any good.

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Speaker 1: And see, I'm a white TX fan, so I can't

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Speaker 1: even talk baseball right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, hey, thanks for Fernando, but you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yeah, James Shields work notalk great awesome Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah from the NFL Network, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: All right, great stuff from Daniel Jeremiah. Obviously a busy

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Speaker 3: man this week, Leara, I'm gonna throw your curveball. You know,

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Speaker 3: I love doing this. But this week, with the combine

805
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Speaker 3: upon us in the NFL Draft just right around the corner,

806
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Speaker 3: for the first time in a while, we talked about

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Speaker 3: different things. I think the offensive line of this Indianapolis

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Speaker 3: Colts offense led by Quentin Nelson, we know what's coming

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Speaker 3: out next year. I think across the board. This is

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Speaker 3: just me talking as a fan. I think those five

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Speaker 3: positions are filled. Yeah, where do we go with this draft,

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Speaker 3: specifically for depth on the offensive line if any Because

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say this, but I think about it.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor, big money, Anthony Richardson bigger money. I know,

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Speaker 3: literally not, but as far as importance goes and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that. So you've got those guys who are well paid.

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Speaker 3: Three of the five are very very well paid, and

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Speaker 3: then two are on rookie contracts.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Jj, I feel like he got something.

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Speaker 1: Your needs right now are not your needs next year?

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: And that is a way that a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: operate when it comes to the NFL Draft. Usually in

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Speaker 1: the first, first round, second round, maybe even into the

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Speaker 1: third you're looking for immediate contributors, and then when you

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Speaker 1: get into the fourth round, you start thinking about who's

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Speaker 1: a really good player, or maybe you start thinking even

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Speaker 1: into the third round. You know, right now, do we

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Speaker 1: need this guy? No, but we might next year. And

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Speaker 1: that's where to you know, you start seeing some moves

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Speaker 1: that you go, huh, why's that team taking that guy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do think the Colts in terms of depth, you

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Speaker 1: like what you got in terms of experience out of

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Speaker 1: Blake Freeland this year. Always a guy who the Colts

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Speaker 1: drafted knowing he was going to need time to develop.

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Speaker 1: He's going to need time to gain strength, to grow

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Speaker 1: into his body. But a really athletic guy. You can

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Speaker 1: play both right and left tackle, you know, And like

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard said in his postseason press conference, not dissimilar

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Speaker 1: to Bernard Ryman in his rookie year. Sure, so you

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Speaker 1: already I think you have some built in depth with

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Speaker 1: your swing tackle. Interior depth is going to be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Do you maybe start thinking about maybe we go get

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Speaker 1: someone in that role who can play guard and or

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Speaker 1: center potentially? Not Again, You're you're a set right there,

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Speaker 1: like we are. We are the foremost appreciators of Will Fries,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know love Will Fries and Ryan Kelly and

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Speaker 1: Quinton Nelson both Pro bowlers. You're not thinking about what's

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Speaker 1: next for them, but you do need some depth. And

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Speaker 1: the Colts did have really good health at both guard positions.

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Speaker 1: Fries and Nelson didn't miss a game for sure. Right,

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Speaker 1: So where do you kind of think about our depth

856
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Speaker 1: concerns going forward? You know, I don't know if I

857
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Speaker 1: don't know what the depth of the offensive line draft

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Speaker 1: is this year, if it's an interior, if it's with tackles,

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Speaker 1: if it's centers. But yeah, I think that's something that

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Speaker 1: I'm certain the Colts are thinking about, because you have

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Speaker 1: to be thinking a year ahead at this point.

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Speaker 5: And interestingly, I believe dating Pinter is a free agent

863
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Speaker 5: right when we're talking about the depth there. You got

864
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Speaker 5: really good play from Wesley French last season. I'm curious

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Speaker 5: obviously he started at center when Ryan Kelly was not.

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Speaker 2: What is his versatility?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Could he play guard?

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Speaker 2: Couldn't play guard? Right with a guy who you have

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Speaker 2: in the building.

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Speaker 5: So those are kind of some interesting guys to kind

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Speaker 5: of watch and see what happens of this offseason you

873
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 5: know as well what the opportunity is for each of them. Now,

874
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Speaker 5: I don't think Ryan Kelly is going anywhere anytime soon

875
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Speaker 5: by any means.

876
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Speaker 1: And you tell you certainly hope he's not, because he's

877
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Speaker 1: a really good player.

878
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: Right yeah, right, And you know I love Emma Kelly

879
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Speaker 2: so much, so they better.

880
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Speaker 3: Not going if you're listening to stay. But a good

881
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Speaker 3: position to be in though from you You earn a

882
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Speaker 3: nice position offseason as far as the offensive line goes.

883
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Speaker 1: And the other thing I think you need to remember

884
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Speaker 1: with the draft is there are very few players on

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Speaker 1: a roster who you would just kind of wave a

886
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Speaker 1: wand and say, yeah, we're not taking a guy at

887
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Speaker 1: that position. I think the Colts right now, you have

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor are running back. You're probably not taking a

889
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Speaker 1: running back in the first round. You're not taking a

890
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round. Beyond that, if you if

891
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Speaker 1: you identify someone and you're like, this guy is the

892
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Speaker 1: next Hall of Fame comparison, there's not much that would

893
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: stop you from taking that guy. I mean, and that's

894
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Speaker 1: not that's not it's not as slight as anyone on

895
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Speaker 1: the roster. It's more like you have to operate that

896
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: way because you don't know what your team's gonna look like.

897
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five.

898
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Speaker 5: And you had Marlon Mack and you drafted Johnthan Zachler. Obviously,

899
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Speaker 5: like I mean, Marlon Mack did not go on to

900
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Speaker 5: be you know, he didn't. It wasn't the league leading

901
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 5: rusher or anything in a season, but.

902
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Speaker 1: He was a very pretty, very good player.

903
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Speaker 5: So you're just thinking about that was a handful of

904
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Speaker 5: years ago. It was four years ago, you know, and

905
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Speaker 5: you look at how quickly, you know, things change and transpire.

906
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Speaker 2: And I mean when you drafted Pitt, you still had t.

907
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: Y Hilton, right, what and what okay? What if you

908
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: get to the second round and you're like, we think

909
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: this guy's you know, Jamiir Gibbs, right, and he's sitting

910
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: there could you still take him? Uh, you know, to

911
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: pair with Jonathan Taylor is kind of that different weapon.

912
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: You're not taking a three down running back? Okay with that,

913
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: But I also.

914
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: Don't want that because I also selfishly want Zach Moss back.

915
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's am again.

916
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want everybody back.

917
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: Here's all the money. Here's the other thing that we

918
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: talked about in the pod last week is like free

919
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: agency is gonna kind of tell us where some things

920
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: are going to go. If the Colts bring back Zach Moss,

921
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 1: I would say it's unlikely they would take a running

922
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: back on day two, right, But if.

923
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: You don't, can they find a Zach Moss type of

924
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 3: a replacement as.

925
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Speaker 1: You would probably look for it?

926
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Speaker 5: And you look at the tight end room? Yep, Well

927
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Speaker 5: can you do what does this draft look like at

928
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 5: the tight end position? Obviously people are very high on

929
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 5: Rock Bowers and he is kind of the one who

930
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 5: has separated himself. But what's the depth behind him? I

931
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Speaker 5: believe he's projected to be kind of a top ten

932
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: ish pick, so.

933
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Speaker 1: Bow I mean when we're talking to Daniel Jeremi, he's

934
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Speaker 1: got him in his top ten, has him projected going

935
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Speaker 1: eighteen to the Bengals as a guy who could just

936
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Speaker 1: kind of slip, and there's something like that. Jeremiah conversation

937
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: is really interesting because he brought up teams are a

938
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: little bit scared off by seeing what happened with Kyle

939
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: Pitts where he went fourth overall. He was this camp

940
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: miss athletic freak prospect, but it didn't really work out

941
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: the way that you would want the number four overall pick.

942
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 5: I'm also going to say too, that's likely in part

943
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 5: due to their quarterback situation, and that.

944
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: Is but again, if you're going to take a tight.

945
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Speaker 2: End, that all that change this year based on you know,

946
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: what they did.

947
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: So if you're going to take a quarterback that high,

948
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: you've got to or a tight end that how you

949
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: gotta have a plan for you do. And that's something

950
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: else that you know, it's kind of interesting that we've

951
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Speaker 1: learned here.

952
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: Oh anyway, yeah, come on.

953
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: By saying how to Jeffrey Gorman over here. But I

954
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: think that that part of it too, Like you you

955
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: look at this, you could take a wide receiver a

956
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: tight end. You know, maybe you're not taking a left

957
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: guard right in the first round, but you know, if

958
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: you took an offensive lineman in the first round, that

959
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: would probably be a surprise, But would it be a

960
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: drop dead shock, not like taking a quarterback or running

961
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: back would be.

962
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: How many times?

963
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 5: I mean, I've been a part of so many of

964
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 5: these off season series that we have done. In talking

965
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 5: with Chris, we know that they are going to draft

966
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 5: based on not necessarily need. It is on best player available.

967
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: That is what it is.

968
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 5: It's on the best player available because you don't he

969
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 5: Alway talks about you don't want to reach for a guy.

970
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: So because if you reach for someone who is a

971
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: need right now, he's probably going to create another need

972
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: right right?

973
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: Really what a big gamble that is? Hey, so much

974
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 3: more to be answered from the NFL combine here done.

975
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: That was a good curve ball. It was I was like,

976
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: we're talking, we're talking like a little twelve six yaker.

977
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: Mike beeen a action on that.

978
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't you didn't see the offensive line coming up?

979
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 4: Here?

980
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: What else do I got for you?

981
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: Here?

982
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 3: We got some lunch coming up on behalf of Dave Knickerbocker.

983
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: We are, uh, you gotta give Dave a shout out

984
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: if he's paying for the Italian sub so thank you.

985
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: You know what I you know what I got on

986
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: my my pop belly. Got some jar Yeah, same, that's

987
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: a that's a hot peppers. Yeah it No, I got everything.

988
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: But we've been promised Shapiro's coming. We're not getting Shapiro's today.

989
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: I promise you people will be talking about Shapiro's and

990
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 3: we're going to take care of Learra Overton, JJ Stank

991
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: if it's Collin, our friend Matt Taylor here, Casey Value,

992
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: Everybody's going to be having.

993
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: It really quickly.

994
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: Just a shout out to the city of Indianapolis and

995
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: the hosting Yes, because I think about in the last

996
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 5: few weeks the All Star Game unbelievable, even though it

997
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 5: snowed and and all of that. Then this week with

998
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 5: the combine, everyone around here who comes in just talks

999
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 5: about how incredible Indianapolis is, how wonderful the people are.

1000
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 5: So everyone who has a hand in, you know, working

1001
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 5: at the hotels and the restaurants and driving all the ubers,

1002
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 5: and you know, working at the airport and doing all

1003
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 5: of that, all of your hard work is noticed and

1004
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 5: appreciated by the hundreds thousands of people who come in

1005
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 5: this week for the Combine, and I know people have

1006
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: been working their butts off with so many events, and

1007
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 5: there are gonna be tournament games coming up as well.

1008
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 5: So just shout out to everybody around here downtown, everyone

1009
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 5: who makes well done.

1010
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: Do you want to know why the Combine is such

1011
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: a well put together event. Media members, as someone who's

1012
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: been in outside media when I worked for Comcast and NBC,

1013
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: love to complain about travel stuff, accommodations, restaurants, transportation.

1014
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: I complain about it anytime I go anywhere else.

1015
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, right, but like, just not here. No one

1016
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: loves to do it with a platform like media members

1017
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: complain like you could go on any media member's Twitter

1018
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: account and you could find their list of least favorite

1019
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: airports very easily. No one complains about the Combine. It's

1020
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: always just what a great event. Please keep it here.

1021
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: I would die if the Combine left Indianapolis or maybe

1022
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: not come.

1023
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: Shout out to Chris Call and the entire staff visit Indie.

1024
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 5: Everybody I know Chris is going to be, you know,

1025
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 5: coming by and having to sit down just one of

1026
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 5: the best, his whole team. I just everyone I could

1027
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 5: don't want to get into doing too many names because

1028
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: I'll leave somebody out.

1029
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: Well, I have over forty different NFL guests here on

1030
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: the Colts Audio Network that by the time Friday, Saturday,

1031
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: Sunday rolls around, so it is going to be busy.

1032
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: And as usual, Colts dot com has your latest information

1033
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: at jj Stankowitz, at Lara Olverton on Twitter. Actually give

1034
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: me one, each of you a curveball, give me one.

1035
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: Give me one person you are most looking forward to

1036
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: seeing this week. And just arrived Edward White. He just

1037
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: he just walked in here. The pacers PR guy, the

1038
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: marketing man, the girl.

1039
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Speaker 2: That's it. That's who you're going.

1040
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: That's who it is. It's Eddie White. He's been here since,

1041
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, the first Combine in eighty two.

1042
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't have a single person, but every

1043
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: year at the Combine and uh, my friends who I

1044
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: covered the Bears with, we have our annual Jeff Dickers

1045
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: Oial dinner at because jd every combine would organize a

1046
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: big dinner at Saint Elmos. He'd get the wine, you

1047
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: have steak, you'd be out. You'd had a great time.

1048
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: In His rule was we're not talking ball good, we're

1049
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: talking about.

1050
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: Anything but great taste and wine, the old Prisoner.

1051
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: The prisoner. Yeah, so I'm looking I'm looking forward to that.

1052
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna hit up almos on good dinner, well.

1053
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: Done and a great tradition that you guys are continuing

1054
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: in his honor. That's awesome. So hello, what do you

1055
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: got for me before we say goodbye?

1056
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: And who's your favorite? My favorite?

1057
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 5: It's so many, but one person I have to give

1058
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 5: a shout out to along the same lines as you're

1059
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 5: talking about Chicago people, but the most successful Indiana Hoo's

1060
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Speaker 5: your in attendance, Courtney Cronin representing for all the IU

1061
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 5: people doing incredible things at ESPN on all of the platforms, TV, radio,

1062
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 5: dot com, all of it.

1063
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Speaker 1: The only Pete writer here who's like an around the

1064
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: horn champion.

1065
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: Right it's around that, Yeah, like she does it all.

1066
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Speaker 5: But she hosts an event Women of the NFL, shes

1067
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 5: a happy hour, and she is just an absolute rock

1068
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: star and one of the best human beings. So there

1069
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 5: are so many different people I'm excited for, but mainly

1070
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 5: her because I just like always hope that I'll absorb

1071
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 5: her greatness by osmosis.

1072
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Speaker 2: Just stand closer to me, give me all the secrets.

1073
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: And what you do because she's just incredible.

1074
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, she's the Hoosier goals, so you know, love

1075
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: that all right, So much more to happen over the

1076
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: course in the next couple of days and again Colts

1077
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Speaker 3: dot Com at Lara Overton at JJ Stankovits, I'm Jeffrey Gorman.

1078
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: We're gonna bring you more because there's so much more

1079
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Speaker 3: that's gonna be happening. And this is just the Tuesday

1080
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 3: edition of the Official Colts Podcast, but more to come.

1081
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Speaker 3: Be sure to check out the Colts Audio Network for

1082
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: Lara Overton and JJ stank of It Time, Jeffrey Gorman,

1083
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: We'll talk.

1084
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Speaker 5: To you soon.

1085
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Speaker 3: Folks from Beer at Lucas Oil State