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Speaker 1: Well, well, well, sauce on the side episode. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea, but it starts with a seven. Where to

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Speaker 1: begin diamond? Where do we begin?

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Speaker 2: Elsk?

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Speaker 1: No, that's called where do I begin?

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Speaker 3: Here we go? Didn't you work on the book? Like,

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Speaker 1: Great? Where do we begin? Diamond?

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Speaker 3: We should begin with the fact that Andrew is a lunatic.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a nice one about it. So here's what

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Speaker 1: had happened by the time you hear this. This may

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Speaker 1: have already been addressed on the big show. But this

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Speaker 1: the time, pulled some rat shit the other day. What

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Speaker 1: did he do? You ask, Well, we ordered breakfast. Breakfast

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Speaker 1: took forever to get here, because of course it always does,

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Speaker 1: I don't know nothing. I said to Andrew Andrew, somebody

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Speaker 1: And He's like, yeah, Andrew ate your chicken. I said, wait,

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Speaker 1: Doesn't need to be go ahead, hang him Andrew? What

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Speaker 2: I didn't know it was your chicken. I checked the

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't even no I moved it to the bag.

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Speaker 1: Know, anyway, no bearing on what you did.

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Speaker 2: Totally. I admit that I shouldn't have ate the food.

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Speaker 2: I lied about you.

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Speaker 1: I share my food with everyone, do I not? I

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Speaker 2: It's not the chickens lying about the chicken.

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Speaker 3: It's not about the chicken principle, it's the principle.

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Speaker 2: Because you did apology, you go still.

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Speaker 1: Rat by making it about something that it wasn't. This

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Speaker 2: You didn't like the apology.

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Speaker 1: You only apologize because you got caught. When I said that,

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Speaker 1: I want an apology in cursive, and I also want

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Speaker 1: the love letter that you never gave me two years ago,

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Speaker 2: At this moment as well, totally fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't think you're gonna have a

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Speaker 2: Just be like, yeah, it was mean because I think crime.

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Speaker 2: Josh wasn't gonna rat. And then what does he do

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Speaker 3: Recruited in turn Ben by the way, on my list,

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Speaker 3: who better not come back next.

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Speaker 1: A bagel? I said, not from you.

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Speaker 2: We ate the chicken before we knew it was your chicken.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter, because here's how it went down. I see

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Speaker 2: just say, when it's kid's birthday parties here and we

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Speaker 2: order forty two thousand things of food, there's often trees

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, so somebody ordered something and just left

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Speaker 2: We're screwed. And so I thought we were in a

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Speaker 1: If in fact, that's the way it went. Josh is

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Speaker 1: I here comes Ben, Yeah, Ben, come in here, Come

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Speaker 1: on in, Ben, bring your ass Come sit over here, Ben,

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Speaker 2: Ben.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I can tell what say you in all

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Speaker 4: Ben was he He was just being.

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Speaker 2: He was being an innocent party because again, we ate

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Speaker 1: If anything one cares that you ate the chicken.

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Speaker 2: Can you listen? No, I heard you say someone cares. No.

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Speaker 1: I care that he lied about the chicken, Ben, and

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Speaker 2: There was like a fierce slice of pizza and you

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Speaker 4: I'm taking it?

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Speaker 1: And then two hours later Andrew comes swimming in, Who

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Speaker 2: Would you want me to go gandhi?

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Speaker 1: I would wholeheartedly expect that because I will do that

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Speaker 2: It was at the one over by the coffee machine.

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Speaker 1: Didn't look at that trash can. But Ben just watched

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Speaker 1: who would do that? That's so crazy. So we have

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Speaker 2: I just yes, the way it went down was I

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Speaker 2: so had happened that the elevators doors opened and it

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Speaker 2: was you, And I was like, I am so screwed.

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Speaker 1: You would have been screwed at all. If you were

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Speaker 1: just like, oh, I didn't think you're gonna eat it,

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Speaker 1: ate your chicken, I'd be like, all right, no, no, yes,

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Speaker 1: if you ate it, I wouldn't care if you lie

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much all over chicken.

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Speaker 1: But it's not about the joh No, it's not about

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Speaker 1: I have a running tab.

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Speaker 2: I'm tan If you're chicken letters from two years ago,

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Speaker 1: Yes are let me tell you something.

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Speaker 2: You can't attack anybody else here but me punching peg

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Speaker 4: Absolutely love it so much.

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Speaker 2: But we love you so much. No, no lies.

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Speaker 1: I rarely ever say that last part. But yes, Diamond,

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 4: Never say, oh, I love you so much, talk about it,

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Speaker 2: Okay, you have the lie.

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Speaker 1: You do give good hugs, which I said on the

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Speaker 4: And would give a good hug.

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Speaker 1: He does give a good hug because it's cloaked and lies. Diamond,

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Speaker 1: What were you saying about Anderson technology? He likes it.

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Speaker 4: I'd rather you get nothing.

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Speaker 2: And then I recall a conversation.

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Speaker 1: But you'd be like, oh, Andrew, people believe you.

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Speaker 2: Andrew says nothing and the minutie he lies. It's the

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Speaker 1: Andrew didn't say nothing. Andrew said a lie. I feel

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look at him.

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Speaker 1: But we still like you guys about love Andrew very much,

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Speaker 4: Ben, That's all I gotta say.

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Speaker 2: I hope you don't lose too many followers over this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to leave due to a personal situation. Okay, amazing,

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Speaker 1: Off you go, Ben, Thanks for bringing someone tea.

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Speaker 1: We won't forget this. What Okay, So now to our

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Speaker 1: coming out the ears. It's a self tanner Okay, okay, Diamond,

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Speaker 2: It's hyaluronic acida.

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Speaker 1: Melt the front, bring the guests in. Actually, our guest

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Speaker 1: name is Sarah Hartshorn. She was on America's Next Top Model.

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Speaker 1: Like I actually stopped watching it because Tyra Banks drove

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's not a competition. The early aughts

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Speaker 1: The fashion alone was wild, even though I kind of

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Speaker 4: This is kind of so fun, Like, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like they drew my blood in a hotel room

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Speaker 1: our work around.

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Speaker 4: We would sing Disney songs or slogans or I now

443
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Speaker 4: know we could have just sung like regular songs. I

444
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Speaker 4: don't know why. In our head we were like Disney

445
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Speaker 4: is the Ultimate and so yeah, we would do a

446
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Speaker 4: lot of like Hakuna Matada. And if we were not

447
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Speaker 4: being filmed, it's called being on ice and you're not

448
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Speaker 4: allowed to speak. We had to be just totally silent.

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Speaker 1: That sounds insane. I mean at this point as an

450
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Speaker 1: adult now look back on it and be like, you know,

451
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Speaker 1: they hurted us into this house, they wouldn't really feed

452
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Speaker 1: us because that was another thing, right, you only got

453
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Speaker 1: what thirty eight bucks a day, thirty seven dollars or seven.

454
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Speaker 4: Dollars which we had to use to pay for our

455
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Speaker 4: own food.

456
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Speaker 1: How was the alcohol situation? Were you allowed to drink

457
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Speaker 1: in there? Did they supply you with alcohol?

458
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Speaker 4: If you were over twenty one, you were allowed to

459
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Speaker 4: use that money to buy alcohol, which I think it

460
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Speaker 4: was Ambryel, Salicia and Janet we're we're over twenty one.

461
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Speaker 4: The rest of us were all under twenty one. They

462
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Speaker 4: would absolutely allow that. They said that they could. They

463
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Speaker 4: only did once because none of them were really big drinkers.

464
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Speaker 4: But I did hear that when they were in China,

465
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Speaker 4: which has a younger drinking age, they did have alcohol.

466
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Speaker 4: And I know on other cycles they would like go

467
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Speaker 4: out to eat and they would be like, if you're

468
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Speaker 4: over twenty one, you can order drinks, and if you're

469
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Speaker 4: under twenty one, you can ask someone to order drinks

470
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Speaker 4: for you if you want.

471
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Speaker 1: That sort of encouraged a little bit of the a

472
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Speaker 1: little bit of courage.

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Speaker 4: And I'm partially wondering if they were doing that, because

474
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Speaker 4: they kind of tried. They were like, if you guys

475
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Speaker 4: want to buy alcohol, you can, and they were just

476
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Speaker 4: sort of like, not really, and so I think they

477
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Speaker 4: were like, man, we got this group where the only

478
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Speaker 4: like over twenty one girls aren't big drinkers, Like we

479
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Speaker 4: got to like figure out a work around.

480
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Speaker 1: I mean that makes you a great reality TV. Any

481
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Speaker 1: little food, a lot of alcohol women competing against each

482
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Speaker 1: other for a modeling contract, and then you throw tire

483
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Speaker 1: Banks and a few other crazy judges in the mix.

484
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Speaker 1: Well could possibly go wrong, you know, And.

485
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Speaker 4: In a lot of ways. They absolutely nailed it because

486
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Speaker 4: it was great TV and that was their goal. And

487
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Speaker 4: I mean, I actually have a lot of trouble watching

488
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Speaker 4: reality shows because I look and I'm like, I know

489
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Speaker 4: that if I could have been I would have been

490
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Speaker 4: drunk the whole time. Like if it had occurred to

491
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Speaker 4: me to break the rules in that way or like

492
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Speaker 4: make it happen, I would have been absolutely trashed. I

493
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Speaker 4: didn't have I didn't have a prefrontal cortex, Like I

494
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Speaker 4: was like, give me something, you know what I mean,

495
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Speaker 4: give me some tool like to cope with this. I

496
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 4: would have been drunk and I would have said terrible,

497
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Speaker 4: stupid things.

498
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Speaker 1: So you didn't end up making it to the end.

499
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Speaker 1: You spoiler We're a slary spoiler alert for season nine

500
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Speaker 1: and America, I know you made it to what you

501
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Speaker 1: were eliminated.

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Speaker 4: Eighth, yeah, seventh, eighth yeah, seventh. I think.

503
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Speaker 1: But before we talk about that, I didn't mention that

504
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Speaker 1: you actually came onto the show as a quote unquote

505
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Speaker 1: plus size model. Yes, can we talk about what size

506
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Speaker 1: and actual plus size model is the real world, because

507
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Speaker 1: what the average American woman is a twelve or fourteen is?

508
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the average American woman is a size fourteen, and

509
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Speaker 4: plus size modeling does not reflect that reality. I always

510
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Speaker 4: like to say I was a plus size contestant on

511
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Speaker 4: America's Next Up Model. Then I worked for many years

512
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Speaker 4: as a plus size model. Then I quit modeling, gained

513
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Speaker 4: a bunch of weight, became a plus sized person. Okay,

514
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 4: weird how those weren't the same, Okay. And I could

515
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Speaker 4: go on and on about how the plus size industry

516
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Speaker 4: has changed a lot. But when I was on the show,

517
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Speaker 4: they made a really big deal about how I was

518
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Speaker 4: too small. They were like, oh, you're too small to

519
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Speaker 4: be a plus size model, Like, what are you going

520
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Speaker 4: to do?

521
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Speaker 1: Do you mind if I asked what size you were?

522
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Speaker 4: Not at all? I was a size eight.

523
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, I was size small because you're just

524
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Speaker 1: a normal pers I was also five eleven, you know,

525
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Speaker 1: and eight at five eleven. By the way, I know

526
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Speaker 1: women are going to completely understand these sizes, but if

527
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Speaker 1: any of the dudes are listening, I am five foot.

528
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Speaker 1: A lot of people comment immediately on how small they

529
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Speaker 1: think I am when they meet me. Oh oh my god,

530
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Speaker 1: you're tiny. And these pants right here are size four,

531
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Speaker 1: So you were a foot taller than me and a

532
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Speaker 1: size eight.

533
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Speaker 4: And also a lot of the women listening who have

534
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Speaker 4: done any shopping will know I was a size eight

535
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Speaker 4: for the most part. I was also in size ten

536
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Speaker 4: twelve six. I had some size for it. Yeah, so,

537
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 4: because women's clothing is chaos, but purposely purposely I mean

538
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Speaker 4: after the show, I did do some fit modeling, which

539
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Speaker 4: is when you are like the designer's mannequin. Basically they

540
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 4: pin the clothes to you. And I was not made

541
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Speaker 4: out for it. It's that's a very hard career and

542
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Speaker 4: truly shout out to the fit models out there.

543
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Speaker 2: Uh.

544
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Speaker 4: And I was also too tall the ideal height. They

545
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Speaker 4: like the women to be average, so they make the

546
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Speaker 4: clothes to like an average height woman, which I think

547
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Speaker 4: is five seven or five eight.

548
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Speaker 1: Still so much taller than me. I'll never make it.

549
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Speaker 4: My best friend is four foot six oh no, oh wow, yeah,

550
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Speaker 4: I have a.

551
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Speaker 1: Few of those in my life too. That we were

552
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Speaker 1: standing next to each other like Snookie and Jay Wow, like.

553
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, nope, it's so it's amazing.

554
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Speaker 1: You just see a different world than we see. Like

555
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Speaker 1: you can walk through a grocery aisle or an aisle

556
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Speaker 1: and see what's on the other side. Yeah, I walk

557
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Speaker 1: through and like you need to attach a balloon to

558
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Speaker 1: my collar so that you can find me.

559
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

560
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Speaker 4: I don't actually like tall men. I just look best

561
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Speaker 4: from above, you know what I mean. Like, it's a

562
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Speaker 4: whole It's a whole world. I'm like, what are you

563
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Speaker 4: seeing down there? You're just we Actually, my friend and

564
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Speaker 4: I did a video where we filmed, like I filmed

565
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Speaker 4: what I see and she filmed what she sees. Yeah,

566
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Speaker 4: and all I see is like her boobs and all

567
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Speaker 4: she sees is like my chin. And I was like,

568
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Speaker 4: all right, I'm so glad you don't like me for

569
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: my looks because I looked terrible from down there. But yeah,

570
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 4: but so I was. I was the plus size contestant

571
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Speaker 4: and then I after the show, I went to pursue

572
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Speaker 4: plus sized modeling, and I found out I wasn't too

573
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Speaker 4: small at all. Okay, I worked all the time and

574
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Speaker 4: it wasn't a problem. And I was really surprised. And

575
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Speaker 4: then the girl who was who won cycle ten the

576
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Speaker 4: cycle after mine, ended up moving to New York and

577
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Speaker 4: also pursuing plus size modeling. She's amazing. Her name's Whitney.

578
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Speaker 4: She's beautiful and great, and we had the same measurements.

579
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Speaker 3: Wow.

580
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Speaker 4: Yeah okay, And also she sometimes wore different sizes than

581
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Speaker 4: I do, so truly, bodies make no sense. But the

582
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Speaker 4: it really taught me, I think from a young age,

583
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Speaker 4: is like, oh, clothing companies are just trying to sell

584
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Speaker 4: you something, and every thought you have about yourself someone

585
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 4: is making money off of. I bring this up a lot.

586
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Speaker 1: I was talking about chat GPT just about like social

587
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Speaker 1: media and the use and chat GPT basically said, well,

588
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Speaker 1: social media has changed every industry because it capitalizes and

589
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: forces you to be in this cycle where you're constantly

590
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Speaker 1: comparing yourself to others and you will never feel good enough,

591
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Speaker 1: so they capitalize on your insecurity and that's how it

592
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: moves forward and makes so much money because all you

593
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Speaker 1: see any day is a highlight reel of somebody's best moments.

594
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Speaker 1: That is not their life, that is not what they

595
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Speaker 1: look like when they wake up in the morning, despite

596
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Speaker 1: when they say it ready with.

597
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Speaker 4: Me, I know are they say? Are there like the

598
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Speaker 4: Unpeeling video or the Morning sheds No please? I was

599
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: big on Morning shed TikTok for a while of these

600
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Speaker 4: like influencers being like, let me peel off the insane

601
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 4: contraptions that I sleep in, and I'm like, I think

602
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Speaker 4: this is a lot.

603
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Speaker 1: It is a lot, but there are just people out

604
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Speaker 1: there waiting to capitalize on it, and we all fall

605
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: victim to it and it happens. But America's next top

606
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: model was such a catalyst in all of this, And

607
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Speaker 1: again I was I told you I had to stop

608
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Speaker 1: watching the show because I I found Tyro to be insufferable.

609
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Speaker 1: Is she that insufferable in real life? Or was it editing?

610
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Speaker 1: I will say a little of Boom I knew it.

611
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Speaker 4: I listen in person. She is one of the most

612
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Speaker 4: magnetic people I have ever seen, or encountered or been

613
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Speaker 4: around in my life. She you want to look at her,

614
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 4: You want her to look at you, Even when she

615
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 4: was being weird and sort of maybe not making a

616
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Speaker 4: whole lot of sense and sort of uh maybe it

617
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 4: was even uncomfortable sometimes, but she's just she's very compelling.

618
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Speaker 4: She is how she seems on camera. Okay, Like I

619
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Speaker 4: don't really feel like I ever saw the real tyro.

620
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Speaker 4: I had a hard time connecting with it because I

621
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Speaker 4: was like, this isn't really you. Like, I know you

622
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 4: want to connect with me, but I also know that

623
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Speaker 4: you're not. This isn't you know what I mean. She

624
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: was like, there was this one moment where she was like, Okay,

625
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 4: the cameras are off. Now it's just as girls. And

626
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Speaker 4: I was like, I mean, sure it is, that's true,

627
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Speaker 4: you know. And so I was just like, I don't

628
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know you and I can't connect

629
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Speaker 4: with you. And that's okay because you're around a lot

630
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 4: of people who are trying to take a lot of

631
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 4: things from you, you know what I mean. Like she's

632
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 4: at the level of fame where everyone she meets is

633
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: like transactional, and so I think she's very guarded against that.

634
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Speaker 1: I get that that makes sense, but still insufferable. I

635
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: had to shut that off. Do you guys sign NDAs

636
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: when you go on this show? So and for a

637
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: certain amount of time you cannot talk about it, and

638
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: then clearly that has run out for you. Now you

639
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: can talk about it. How long is that NDA, or

640
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: are you even allowed to say that?

641
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Speaker 4: I am allowed. I think I'm allowed to say that.

642
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: And my publishers have an amazing legal team who combed

643
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 4: through the contract very carefully and basically said like, they

644
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 4: probably won't sue you.

645
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Speaker 1: They probably won't. They probably won't, they will, but we can't.

646
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Speaker 4: They won't. Yeah, we can't. Legally, they aren't allowed to

647
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 4: say they definitely won't because they can't care garantee that.

648
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, a lot of it expired. I think either

649
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: three or five years after the last episode of the

650
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 4: show aired. Not my cycle, the show itself okay, and

651
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 4: the show technically was not ever canceled. They just stopped

652
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 4: making it, which is an important legal distinction. So technically,

653
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 4: if they ever start up again, I could be in

654
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: legal hot water, but I doubt it. I also would

655
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 4: hope if they started it up again, it would be very.

656
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Different, right, I think that it would be very different,

657
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Speaker 1: So they probably will not be starting it up again.

658
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Speaker 1: I always assumed that Janie Dickinson was the meanest judge

659
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Speaker 1: that ever existed, but you said it was somebody else.

660
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Speaker 4: I did. I thought it was Twiggy. But also Janis

661
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Speaker 4: Dickinson was not on my cycle, so I didn't have her.

662
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Speaker 4: I didn't have her to deal with. I do think

663
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Speaker 4: it's telling that Jane's definitely said what I would argue

664
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Speaker 4: were some of the most appallingly egregious things. And maybe

665
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Speaker 4: it's editing because you know, Twiggy would say things and

666
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 4: they would edit it in a way where she would

667
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 4: look really sweet.

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Speaker 1: Huh okay, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: She would say something like, oh, I'm really surprised that

670
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: this photo is so good. It's really very beautiful, because

671
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 4: you're quite plain in person.

672
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Speaker 1: Sorry, and they would just show her saying like, this.

673
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Speaker 4: Photo is really beautiful. I'm quite surprised.

674
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Speaker 1: She was like the Instagram comment section in real life.

675
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 4: In real life and also yeah, just like just real

676
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 4: mean almond mom behavior, you know what I mean, where

677
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Speaker 4: you're like okay, And at one point, yeah, she said like, oh,

678
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: I understand why you would be self conscious in that outfit.

679
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: You really look like a ham And it was like

680
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 4: mesh netting, you know what I mean. And I was like, cool,

681
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: I'm well cool.

682
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Speaker 1: So I didn't feel like a ham until you said

683
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Speaker 1: those I.

684
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 4: Feel like I am now. And then Miss Jay was

685
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: like really sweet and said like, oh, that's a nice

686
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: cut of hammer, So you know what I mean, Like

687
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: it was very it was very sweet. Miss Jay was

688
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 4: just lovely at every turn.

689
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Speaker 1: This was my favorite.

690
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: And also I think Miss Jay would roast you, but

691
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Speaker 4: it always felt like it was part of like it

692
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 4: was cultural almost, do you know what I mean? Where

693
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: I was like, you can take this, you are dishing it.

694
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: There's a back and forth here. The power dynamic feels

695
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 4: a lot less harmful somehow because reading is fundamental and

696
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: I think that was sort of what was happening there.

697
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 4: But also, yeah, I do think it's telling that Jannis

698
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: Dickinson has gotten this big redemption arc where we're like, yeah,

699
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: she said terrible things, but it was just the show,

700
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, A, she was a grown woman.

701
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: B she said it. And see, like it's telling that

702
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Speaker 4: the white woman gets a redemption arc and Tyra bears

703
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Speaker 4: a lot of the flag interesting.

704
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Speaker 1: I find them both just oh, one hundred percent.

705
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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to absolve Tyra at all, and it's

706
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Speaker 4: it's yeah, I just like I wrote, Like, somebody wrote

707
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Speaker 4: an article about the book and they were like, oh

708
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Speaker 4: my god, Tyro didn't want to hug the contestants based

709
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Speaker 4: on a chapter that I'd written, And I was like,

710
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: in that chapter, I do talk about a male executive

711
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Speaker 4: threatening physical violence, And what they focused on instead was

712
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Speaker 4: that Tyra didn't want to hug everyone. And I was like,

713
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Speaker 4: I just I'm noting where the attention goes, you know

714
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Speaker 4: what I mean, Like, oh, she didn't want to hug

715
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Speaker 4: every single contestant?

716
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Speaker 1: Was that a little I don't want to hug anyone

717
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Speaker 1: unless I know them.

718
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Speaker 4: Number one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, when you talk about this male executive, let's

720
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Speaker 1: talk about that, because why should we let him off

721
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Speaker 1: the hook if we're talking about these other people? What happened?

722
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Speaker 4: Uh he If you've ever been on a cruise, you

723
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: might have noticed that they play pablom rock uh just everywhere,

724
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Speaker 4: all the time, yes, constantly, just in the background, and

725
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Speaker 4: they needed it to be off. I can only assume

726
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: that there's probably some big Master sound system that they

727
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 4: didn't want to turn off because then the passengers or

728
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: the entire cruise, yes, which God forbid you leave a

729
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Speaker 4: bunch of cruise passengers alone with their thoughts for two seconds.

730
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Speaker 1: But I don't know, I've been on a lot. I

731
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Speaker 1: don't know if you want to do that fair enough.

732
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Speaker 4: I've only been I've only been on well, actually i've

733
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Speaker 4: been on the one for the first episode. And then

734
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Speaker 4: my husband and I like a couple years later, we

735
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: were like, we got to do it. We got to

736
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Speaker 4: go on a cruise, because like that can't be your

737
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: only cruise, you know what I mean, you have to

738
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: like actually swim in a pool, sit in them needed it,

739
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: it really needed it, and we did it. And I

740
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I see, I see the appeal, Like

741
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: this is fun. The islands are definitely the best part.

742
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Speaker 4: But I was like, yeah, redemption arc for the cruise,

743
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: but yeah, And he was just losing his because obviously

744
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: they didn't want the music in the background of the shot,

745
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: and so they were trying to get them to turn

746
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: off the music. They didn't want to turn off the music,

747
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: and he was like, I will rip it out and

748
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 4: chuck it at you, like get it the fuck off

749
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 4: or and he was just screaming at the top of

750
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Speaker 4: his lungs in a way where like I come from

751
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 4: a pretty volatile family. But I had like, never really

752
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: seen someone like really in a professional setting like it felt.

753
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: It almost felt like I was watching him on TV,

754
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I was like, this is

755
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 4: good TV, Like this is this is what the viewers

756
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: want to see, Like, let's flip those cameras around, but

757
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Speaker 4: you can't because they had the music on.

758
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Speaker 1: You Do you name that person in the book?

759
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

760
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: I did. It was Ken Mock. Okay, I don't think

761
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Speaker 4: I'm the first or the last to say the Kenmuck screamed.

762
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Speaker 1: I bet you're not. And I'm sure that ever since

763
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Speaker 1: you were on America's Next Up Model and then you

764
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: went into the modeling industry, you've seen a lot more

765
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Speaker 1: screaming and threats of physical violence because if we're being real,

766
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Speaker 1: the entertainment industry it's just rife with these crazy people.

767
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Speaker 4: Gosh, you know, I was in plus sized catalog model

768
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: and I also worked a lot in Germany, and German

769
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 4: professional settings are really aggressively polite and wow.

770
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Speaker 1: So no, so it's just us Andrew that we're dealing with.

771
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Speaker 4: But when I got into comedy and people will be like, oh,

772
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Speaker 4: it's the fashion industry, so creepy, wh're photographers creepy? And

773
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: I was like, no, comedians are creepy. Because then I

774
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: got into comedy. I was like, oh, a're freaking creeps.

775
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 4: What are you doing?

776
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: Comedians are creepy and they're very dark, very dark. Yeah,

777
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: you have specific comedians that you remember being creepy.

778
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, uh, it's yes. But also like at

779
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: an open mic in the Lower in a basement on

780
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: the Lower East Side where like someone's asleep in their

781
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: beer in the corner, like who cares? Do you know

782
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: what I mean?

783
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: Like creepy?

784
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say yeah I did. One of my

785
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: very early experiences was with a man who was about

786
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, one hundred and forty and I was

787
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: like twenty two. His name is Jeffrey Gurian, and he

788
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: was so creepy to me. He was like, yeah, I'm

789
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: gonna help you write jokes. It was the old classic,

790
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 4: like we should let's write together, Like, let's write jokes.

791
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: I can coach you in hotel room literally, and he

792
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 4: was pressuring me to drink a lot of alcohol and

793
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm really good, I'm okay, that's actually

794
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 4: not part of my writing process, thank you.

795
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: No, we're real quickly when we're talking about your writing processes,

796
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: because you've also done comedy, You've gotten into comedy.

797
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: It's not like he was writing this for your No, no, no, yeah,

798
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 4: this was this was when I first started stand up comedy.

799
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 4: And yeah, and he was going to help me write jokes,

800
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 4: which I assume he does. I've never seen evidence of it,

801
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: but I assume he writes jokes. And yeah, So yeah,

802
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: I did stand up comedy. That's what I transitioned to

803
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 4: after modeling, because I really I hate a steady paycheck,

804
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, That's what I hate.

805
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Speaker 1: And it seems like you're just like living on the

806
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: verge of shitting your pants at any given moment, because

807
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Speaker 1: stand up comedy is terrifying. So my hat's off to you.

808
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: We're doing two things that would scare the crap out

809
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: of me, one of which I do want to do

810
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: at some point, but I'm not going to go to

811
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Speaker 1: that guy to help me write jokes.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, don't do it. Yeah yeah, zero stars, but

813
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: zero stars.

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Speaker 1: Yes, did you encounter because I've heard a lot of

815
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: and this is all very much rumor, I don't know

816
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: if it's true, but that people would wait for these

817
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: cycles of America's Next Hop Model to be done, and

818
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: then there was like a circle in Hollywood that would

819
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: try and hang out with them and get them to

820
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: go to parties and do all kinds of stuff with them.

821
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Speaker 1: Is that true?

822
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: Oh?

823
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: Interesting?

824
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: Maybe?

825
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 4: I Unfortunately, after the show went back to the East Coast.

826
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Speaker 4: Because I'm from Massachusetts, I was going to school in Boston.

827
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 4: I transferred to a school in New Jersey so I

828
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: could work in New York. Okay, so I was like

829
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: living in New Jersey trying to model in New York.

830
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Speaker 4: And also, honestly, when I went to modeling agencies, they

831
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 4: were like, you have short hair, and we can't have

832
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: a plus sized model with short hair. Come back in

833
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: a year when your hair is long.

834
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: Don't get me started on the haircufts.

835
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Speaker 4: The haircuts.

836
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Speaker 1: The haircuts were so atrocious.

837
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Speaker 2: I know.

838
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: They had these women come in with the most beautiful, long,

839
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: like curly, wavy hair and Tyro would be like, I

840
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: am going to make you a star. Shave it, shame

841
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: are you crazy? That was what especially in the day

842
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: and age of like I mean, I guess now you

843
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: could put wigs on, which they did a lot of times.

844
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: And then I would sa, why would you shave that

845
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: person's head and then put them in a wig?

846
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: Also like traumatize them they gave I remember they had

847
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 4: to shave Bianca's head and they were like, we're gonna

848
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 4: give you a medical grade wig. And I was like,

849
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 4: what grade?

850
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: What?

851
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: Where's the doctor? What doctor is prescribing a medical grade wig?

852
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: Like that's not like just get a lace front, do.

853
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

854
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: Like they exist, you can you don't have to bring

855
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: doctors into this. You can just get a wig, you know,

856
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 4: or you could have not shaved your head, or you

857
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: could have not shaved her head. And it also was

858
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: so bad. It looked so bad. It looked like a wig.

859
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: And I was like, what are you doing?

860
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: A wig prescribed from a hospital, a ply.

861
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 4: From a hospital. Get someone who knows how to lay

862
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: down a wig like that? That's a degree I would

863
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: like to see, is someone who knows how to install

864
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 4: a wig? Like what are you doing?

865
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: Let me get somebody who does wigs.

866
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 4: Not a nurse, right, like no one has called for

867
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 4: a doctor. Why are you bringing them in? And it's

868
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 4: it's very culty, right, it's like, oh, we're gonna control

869
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: how you look we're going to control exactly, like we're

870
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: gonna shave your head as punishment, Like it's it was

871
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 4: so wild wild.

872
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: Shaving your head punishment is crazy work. So pretty much

873
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: everything that they told you on America's Next Top Model,

874
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: which is you're not big enough to be a plus

875
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: sized model, We're going to cut your hair when you

876
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: go out into the real world of modeling, they looked

877
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: at you and said opposite what happened for you, Like

878
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: I am a product of America's Next Top Model, This

879
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: is what happened.

880
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 4: I should have been, but I was so deep in

881
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: the like propaganda that they had fed me, which was

882
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 4: that this was an amazing opportunity. And maybe it's true

883
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: that I, like the girls that stayed in LA maybe

884
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 4: did have like a more opportunities, but also creepy people

885
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 4: trying to like prey on them. I think it just depends.

886
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 4: Like I always heard that models lived in New York

887
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 4: and that was where models went, and I had also

888
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: wanted to live in New York since I was like

889
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: three years old, so like that's what made sense for me.

890
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 4: I do know some girls went to LA they worked

891
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: a lot, and I wasn't really sure what I wanted

892
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: to do, but I was like, I feel like modeling

893
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 4: is the path, So I was like, let's just and also,

894
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: it's just this crazy opportunity that fell into my lap.

895
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 4: Why not make the most of it while I can

896
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: so so yeah, So for me, I was like in

897
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: New York, I was definitely a little bit out of

898
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 4: the scene. And yeah, everything was the opposite. And you

899
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: think that it would have occurred to me like, oh,

900
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: maybe they weren't looking out for my actual modeling career

901
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: in fashion since they got everything wrong. But it literally

902
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 4: didn't occur to me for like ten years.

903
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: They can't be doing this for writings, they have to

904
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: be looking out for me.

905
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they really thought that. Yeah, But also I

906
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 4: do believe that they didn't know anything about the plus

907
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 4: size catalog world, which is very different from like high fashion.

908
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: So what are you doing now? You did comedy, you

909
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: did some modeling, How you write a book?

910
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 4: Now I write a book? Okay, now I'm working on

911
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 4: the next book. Wow, what was that one going to

912
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: be about? It's going to be about plus size modeling, Okay, yeah,

913
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: in New York. It's going to be about how the

914
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: industry has changed, both for good and ill also, you know,

915
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 4: probably gonna be available for other projects if anyone is hiring.

916
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: I can write things. And sometimes I'm funny. And the

917
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: industry is absolutely on fire. But that's okay, we're all

918
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 4: doing our best. Go on, It's fine. Know he's on fire,

919
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: everything's on fire. Yeah, So I'm sort of I'm in

920
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: that weird post book like hangover. My grandfather was a writer,

921
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 4: and he always said, don't buy a house, don't have

922
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 4: a baby, don't get a dog. Right after you turn

923
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 4: in your book and after you do, like there's a

924
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 4: big vacuum in your life and you're you feel this

925
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 4: like and I do feel the urge. I'm like I

926
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 4: should buy a house. I can't afford a house, Like

927
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 4: I should have another baby. No, No, it's but it's

928
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: like it's you know, I mean, what am I gonna

929
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 4: And I'm like I should get a dog. Nope, not

930
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: right now. Just gotta wait, just gotta wait, the post

931
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 4: creative project hangover. But yeah, and and yeah doing some

932
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: stand up?

933
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: Are you doing it around here?

934
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 4: Like can we come see you? Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah in

935
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: New York. I'm sort of I've been on a little

936
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: break while I've been doing the press because I was

937
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 4: in LA and then I I actually had to go

938
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: back to Massachusetts. My dad had surgery, so I was on.

939
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 4: I've been on a little break, but I'm gonna I'm

940
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 4: gonna get back. I'm gonna get my monthly show back, hopefully.

941
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: Well it used to be at the stand in Union Square,

942
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 4: and then it is a clubcoming, and I'm hoping we

943
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 4: can do it at clubcoming again. So I'm putting I'm

944
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: going to put this out there. They are, they are

945
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: booked since Traders, which I love, but I'm hoping they

946
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 4: can squeak us in. I had a monthly show called

947
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 4: Hot One Gay One where all the comedians were hot

948
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 4: and or gay because I demand one or the other,

949
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: one the other at all times.

950
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

951
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So your book, let's move some of these

952
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: right now if we can not.

953
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: You need it.

954
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: But it's called You Want to Be On Top, a

955
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: memoir of makeovers, manipulation and not becoming America's next Top Model.

956
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: I would imagine this is available anywhere you can buy books.

957
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 4: Anywhere you can buy books. Yeah, please support your local bookstores.

958
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: And if it's not there, asked for it. And also

959
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: you want to be on Top dot com. I can't

960
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 4: believe that domain was available.

961
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: I cannot either. It sounds like that could really lead

962
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: to a lot of other sites as well.

963
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: This is what is the state of the porn industry

964
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: these days, that that domain name is available. You know,

965
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: it's we used to be a proper country.

966
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: Everything is on fire, Everything is on fire. It's crazy.

967
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: But I got a good domain name, and congratulations on that.

968
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: You want to be on top dot com dot com.

969
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: And if you could point to just one part of

970
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 1: this book that the most important part to you, which

971
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: part would that be?

972
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: I don't want to do spoilers, but I am going

973
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 4: to say it's probably at the end in the last

974
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: chapter where I talk about how I think that reality

975
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 4: contestants and everybody deserve to be paid for their time

976
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 4: in labor.

977
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely, especially when you see how much those

978
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: networks make off of it.

979
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 4: Exactly.

980
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: It is wild. It's a very exploitive industry.

981
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 4: Exact general.

982
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: People think I'm going to get this big break in

983
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: a lot too. But what you sacrifice in the beginning,

984
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: a lot of times you can't make up for it

985
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: in a completely different way. When I first started in radio,

986
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: all I cared about was that somebody wanted to hire

987
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: me full time to be part of a morning radio

988
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: show when I was still in college. So the salary

989
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: that they tossed out to me, I said, yeah, oh,

990
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: I had no problem. I didn't even really have a

991
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: concept of money at that time. You know, I didn't

992
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: understand taxes, none of it, and I just accepted the offer.

993
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Years later, now you start from that place, you're starting

994
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: from nothing. So same with reality TV. You're starting from nothing,

995
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: So why would the next person pay you a ton?

996
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: Exactly?

997
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: And my boss said to me, you really undersold yourself

998
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: when you just accepted the offer. You should have fought

999
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: for more money because there was a lot more money

1000
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: on the table for you. And I thought, screw you.

1001
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: You knew that, and you offered me this as a kid.

1002
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: I was still in college, like I didn't know any better.

1003
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: I was just really excited. And now because he said,

1004
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: from now, you know, that's your starting point and this

1005
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: is where we're going with Raises was based on that

1006
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: know your value.

1007
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: People know your value one hundred percent, and also know

1008
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 4: reality shows are not going to know your value. So

1009
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: if you want to negotiate, find another find another industry. Sadly.

1010
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1011
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: It's tough now though, right because everybody wants to be famous,

1012
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: and now that you have TikTok and Instagram and all

1013
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: these other platforms where people get a taste of it

1014
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: and can actually kind of monetize what they're doing over there,

1015
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: it does really screw up the competition and in some

1016
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: ways improve it, I guess, But it is tough to

1017
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: get these reality shows to pay you more if they're like, please,

1018
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: some other asshole's going to come here and do the

1019
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: exact same thing.

1020
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: For nothing, exactly. And that's what they told us over

1021
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 4: and over again is a million girls would care for

1022
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: this opportunity, and we have their phone number.

1023
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: So they were just out here trying to ruin you.

1024
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Do you think they succeeded? How long did it take

1025
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: you to bounce back?

1026
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, that's a great question. I mean, my life

1027
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 4: is pretty awesome, so very happy. Oh thank you, I

1028
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 4: mean for thirty minutes, thank you. I'm very lucky. I'm

1029
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 4: so And that's the thing is really, when I look

1030
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: at like the way that I was processing things after

1031
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: the show, I had access to a support system, I

1032
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 4: had access to mental health care, and I was stone

1033
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: cold broke. I was financially devastated by the show, but

1034
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 4: I had enough of a support system that I could

1035
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 4: go to school, right, I had a place to live.

1036
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: There were a lot of girls who were financially devastated

1037
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: by the show, and they did not have that support system.

1038
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 4: They didn't have access to mental health care, they weren't

1039
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 4: able to process things that they went through. And I

1040
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: just I think that everybody deserves the same thing, the

1041
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 4: same privileges that I had, which is like, yeah, access

1042
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 4: to mental health care, access to financial support, at least

1043
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 4: to the point where it's like a living wage, you

1044
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like the show cost me so

1045
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 4: much money. I came out of it with less money

1046
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: than I had going in, And so I just think

1047
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 4: that that should not be true, and I think that

1048
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 4: everyone deserves those same basic rights that I had.

1049
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: That's nice. So that was so you would say that's

1050
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: the highlight of it is Hey, this is my thought.

1051
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: This is my takeaway from it. Yes, when you think

1052
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: about the cycle and you think about the low light,

1053
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: what is that? And I probably should switch those questions. No,

1054
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: that's okay, editing is key.

1055
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: I mean, the low level was probably just a lot

1056
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: of the girls experienced the same thing, which is that

1057
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 4: we really experienced a loss of identity because we were

1058
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 4: trying so hard to be what the producers wanted and

1059
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 4: if we failed, which we all did in some point,

1060
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: they chose us because a we were tall and thin

1061
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: and attractive, but also because we were people pleasers who

1062
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: wanted to do the thing, or they chose us because

1063
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: we were contrarians, and it was definitely one of the other.

1064
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: But I think we all experienced a lot of identity,

1065
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: and that's something that I talked to a lot of

1066
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 4: I interviewed a lot of contestants and also have just

1067
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: kept in touch with them over the years. I test,

1068
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 4: like I say, I interviewed some contestants. I texted Jenna

1069
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: again like I do. She was like cool, that experience

1070
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: was super traumatic for me, and I was like word,

1071
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 4: But it really was like we didn't know who we

1072
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 4: were anymore. And so I'd say that that was probably

1073
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: the low light. But again, I was so lucky because

1074
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: I came to New York and I got to figure

1075
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: it out in the best city in the world with

1076
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: amazing people around me.

1077
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: So so you would say it knocked you all the

1078
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: way down, But it also allowed you to rebuild yourself

1079
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: in a way that you are proud of that you

1080
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: wanted to do.

1081
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: Yes, that's yeah, that that that put that on it.

1082
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: Yeah that's yeah, yeah what she said, So go.

1083
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: Buy her book. Sarah Hartshorn is wonderful for really of

1084
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: America's next Top Model cycle nine.

1085
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: But now current author, current author.

1086
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: I love that for you. Thank you, thank you so

1087
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: much for joining me.

1088
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 4: Oh my god, thank you so much for having me.

1089
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely, is there anything we talked We didn't talk about

1090
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Speaker 1: that you want talk about?

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Speaker 4: No, just do you know, yeah, you want to be

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Speaker 4: on top dot com Sarah B. Hartsorn on all all platforms. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: all heartsworn. Oh it's yeah, it's heartshorn.

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Speaker 1: But I'm so sorry. No, no, I said heartshorn repeatedly.

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Speaker 4: No, no, it truly. I don't actually notice anymore because

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00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: everyone gets it wrong. Yeah, it's it's heartshorn.

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Speaker 1: Heartsorn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and I talk about that in

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00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 4: the book too. I almost My middle name is Banks

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00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 4: and I used to go by that and they asked

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00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: me to change it. Well, my name is May the

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Speaker 4: Gandhi and I expect people to get it right. So

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00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: I'm really sorry that I got yours wrong and we're

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Speaker 4: going to get it right in the edits maybe, well,

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Speaker 4: thank you again.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: And that was Sarah Hartshorn. And Andrew did book that

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Speaker 1: in you so okay?

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00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: Can he get flowers once all the time? No, not you,

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00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: not you, not anybody here. I sit here in a

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00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: pile of shit every day. Oh here she goes here

1113
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: it I feel like Joe Peshy and my cousin Vinnie.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention your.

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00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: Biological clock is ticking, Diamond. I'm in one to four

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00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: group chats with you. I think it is not a

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00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: lie that every single group chat bully shit good.

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00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.

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00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't have her started. I actually was nice to

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Speaker 1: him the other day in one of them.

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00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: Oh is that when you said I had main character energy?

1122
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: Because I was trying to get you all out of cooking,

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00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: and I said you could either go or I could cancel.

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00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: It's up to you, and you said, twist it in.

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00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: Andrew's having main character energy with this one. Do you

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Speaker 2: guys want to cook?

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00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: I can still cook syndrome. First of all, because Andrew,

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Speaker 1: we do this community cook By the way, for the homeless,

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00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: and Andrew decided a linkin Park concert was more important,

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00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: and he's like, you, guys, I can't make cooking, so

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna reschedule it. I said, I think the

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00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: rest of us can still cook without.

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00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: You, and they did it, and I never said that.

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00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: I said I can get a group to cover for us,

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00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: so we don't have to this week.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be there. Yeah, because it's so important

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00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: cooked without me there. That's why I said play.

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Speaker 2: I gave more than without forty eight hours. With twenty

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00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 2: four hours notice, I could get another group to cover.

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00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: It's politely saying do you want you or do you not?

1141
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: Nobody gives an answer because I have to chase everyone around.

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00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: You diverted entirely to be about something else. Then everyone

1143
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: piles on and I don't get an answer.

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00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: So that was only one. That was only one of

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00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: the group chats. The other ones they all started on themselves.

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00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 4: Can I just please?

1147
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: Your voice is starting to annoy me today, Andrew.

1148
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 4: With you, I'm not doing it.

1149
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm goilious, I'm out.

1150
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he took the micpack off, he's walking out,

1151
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: all right. I guess we're not gonna plug his Instagram.

1152
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: He's like two hundred followers away from eleven thousand. She's

1153
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: breaking down, babe, She's breaking down, Diamond. If people want

1154
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: to follow you on Instagram, where can they find you?

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00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: If you want to see me shit on Andrew? Every

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00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: chance that I get at Diamond, Sincere at.

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Speaker 1: Diamond, Sincere, I'm at Baby Hot Sauce. We will be

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00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: nice because Andrew's not a victim and say at Andrew

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00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: Pug on Instagram. He only needs two hundred more follows.

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Speaker 1: I hope your page gets hacked. Like follow, subscribe, leave

1161
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: us a review for the podcast. If you want to

1162
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: leave us a talkback, there's a little microphone on the

1163
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app where you can leave us a talkback to

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00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: talk about this specific incident. And until next time, everybody,

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Speaker 1: say bye bye