1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from Al Salvador 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: accused of murdering a Texas man of Venezuelan charged with 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump's leadership. I'm Christy nom the United States 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: crossings are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. 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So 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: all right, let's talk about this. 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 3: There is a housing shortage in America, right, So what 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 3: does that mean for the average person and how does 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: that affect the real estate market over the next five years? 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 4: Well, that means that, you know, it's like anything else 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 4: supplying demand. The supply is low, the demand is high, 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 4: So that's why rents go up. 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: So so why is there a housing shortage? Though? 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 4: Man, there's been so much politicization of housing in real estate, 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 4: and it's difficult to build. Like you look at some 27 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 4: of the markets where's most pronounced New York, California. There's 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 4: this thing called Nimby. You have heard of Nimby. Not 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 4: in my backyard. People say, yeah, we need affordable housma, 30 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 4: don't build them, don't build them on my street, right, 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 4: And so what that does is it disturbs the real 32 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: estate market for that particular city and we just buy 33 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 4: and large have not built enough moderate and middle income 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 4: or affordable housing. So you know, millionaires don't have any problem. 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 4: They could buy whatever they want to buy right or 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: live wherever they want to live. We're talking about the 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: rank and file public workers, you know, teachers, ambulance drivers, 38 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 4: sanitation sanitation workers, the rank and file public who have 39 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 4: good jobs, they work hard. But there's been such an 40 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 4: escalation in the cost of rents because of the supply 41 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: and demand disruption that these rents are off the table. 42 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: I mean, if four million units of housing hit the 43 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 4: market tomorrow, all rents would drop, but it takes years 44 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 4: and years to build it. That's why you know, we 45 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 4: have this condition because it's hard to just increase the 46 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 4: supply quickly. You have to have an alignment of politics 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 4: of market forces like real estate excuse mean, like interest rates. 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 4: You know, interest rates are out of control right now, 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 4: so it makes it very hard to build. Sometimes you 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 4: have construction costs going off the rails, like everyone heard 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 4: about you know, what was going on with supply chain disruptions. 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: You know last year. 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 4: So you have all these things that can throw that 54 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 4: equation off and make it hard to produce housing. So 55 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 4: you know, right now it's come to a critical point, 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: and you know, particularly elected officials have to get off 57 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 4: of the rubric where they want to you know, almost 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 4: politicize housing, make all real estate developers evil, all real 59 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 4: estate is bad. 60 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: We have a lot of that narrative coming out. 61 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: Of certain communities in certain cities, but it doesn't help 62 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 4: to do anything because people still cannot find good housing 63 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 4: and the only way to get it is to build it. Right, 64 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 4: we have to ubzone. A lot of communities don't want 65 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: to go through rezonings and up zone, they say all that, 66 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 4: we don't want that high building here. Well, okay, that's 67 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: your opinion, but we have people sleeping in shelters, right, 68 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 4: we have people who really need housing. And I firmly 69 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 4: believe that housing security from most families is financial security, 70 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: because if people have a roof over the head, there's 71 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 4: more money they have to dedicate to healthcare, the education, 72 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 4: the other well being of the family, taking care of 73 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 4: the elderly, everything else the families have to deal with. 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 4: But if sixty seventy percent of your income is used 75 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 4: to pay rent, cuts out a lot of options what 76 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 4: you could do otherwise. 77 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 5: When you talk about up zone, and I was immediately 78 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 5: thinking a city I used to work in the newer show. 79 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 5: We're seeing a lot of towers go up there, and 80 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 5: I'm wondering, when when you're building units and you're adding 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 5: that to the portfolio, what's the allocation that has to 82 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 5: be affordable housing? 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Under President Trump, America's laws, border 133 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: and families will be protected. 134 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 4: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security, Eric 135 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: new Roshell in that administration has done it absolutely correctly. 136 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: They have embraced real estate development, and they've used market 137 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: forces and capitalist forces and real estate developers to help 138 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: bring that city into the modern era and the wave 139 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 4: of development that there is impressive, right. But in other 140 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 4: areas it's not so easy because you have a lot 141 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 4: of different opinions, a lot of you know, just fights 142 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: over what should be built, could be built. We don't 143 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 4: want that tower here, I think. To answer your second question, generally, 144 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 4: depending different municipalities had different requirements about how much affordable 145 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 4: housing should be built, and usually what happens is it's 146 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: tied to some type of tax abatement or some type 147 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 4: of government funding that will be provided to the project 148 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 4: to build it. We had a scenario recently in Harlem. 149 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: Right, we're very active. We do a lot. And a city. 150 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 4: Council person turned down a developer on one hundred and 151 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: forty fifth Street who bought land and only was required 152 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: to do twenty percent affordable housing, but he wanted to 153 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: ubzone the project and do nine hundred units. He went 154 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 4: as far as fifty percent affordable housing. She still voted 155 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 4: it down. Well, wow, politics, So you think about that's 156 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: the wrong move, right, I mean, that's four hundred and 157 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: fifth the families who are not going to have clean, decent, 158 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 4: energy efficient affordable housing for themselves. Right, it's a it's 159 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: an absolute loss. But we see too much of that 160 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 4: these days. So let me ask you this, well, two questions. 161 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: How do real estate developers get paid? 162 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: Last answer, well, so what I mean by that? You get 163 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 2: paid like twice? Though? 164 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 4: Right, Well, no real estate developers take all the risks, 165 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: So what we do? What do you mean twice? 166 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: So you get all? 167 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: Right, Well you can explain it better than me, obviously, 168 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: but from my understanding, you you get a part of 169 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 3: the development fee, yes, right, and then you have if 170 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: you have equity in it, then you can get that 171 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: as some level of conversation as well. 172 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 4: Right, So the equity, the equity that you would invest 173 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: would just be returned to you. 174 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: Right. 175 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 4: The equity is so when you do a project. Let's say, 176 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: you know, when you buy a house, right, you know, 177 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 4: you go to the bank and the bank says, okay, uh, 178 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 4: you know I want to buy this house. I'll say okay, 179 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 4: mister Livingston. You know you have to put down twenty percent. 180 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 4: That's your equity. Same thing when you do a development deal. 181 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 4: The bank is going to give you one hundred percent 182 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 4: of the deal. You have to bring some equity. Usually, 183 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 4: depending on how large the project is, you get into 184 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 4: a scenario where the equity is coming from a third 185 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 4: party investor, a limited partner, which is usually a real 186 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 4: estate private equity fund. It could be an insurance company 187 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 4: or some just an investor that has a lot of 188 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 4: capital and they have to invest it because they need 189 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: to generate returns on their capital to pay pensioneers or 190 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 4: to pay out insurance claims. Whatever it is. So the 191 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 4: equity gets returned. But to answer your question specifically, a 192 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 4: real estate developer will get fees, right, So you get 193 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 4: a developer fee. You could get distributions based off of 194 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 4: refinancing the project because let's say you know, like. 195 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: You have a project, you do it. 196 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 4: After ten years or whatever, rents go up, you have 197 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 4: one level of debt you've been paying down that you 198 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 4: could refinance, put a new mortgage on, take some capital out. 199 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 4: But more regularly, what happens is once you put the 200 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 4: building into service, every month is cash flow. Remember NI, 201 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: you have your NI, you pay your debt. What remains 202 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 4: is cash flow that can be distributed to partners. 203 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child 204 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from Al Salvador 205 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: accused of murdering a Texas. Man of Venezuelan charged with 206 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just 207 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President 208 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump's leadership. I'm Christy nom the United States 209 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border 210 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: crossings are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over 211 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. If you 212 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: were here illegally, your net next you will be fine 213 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: nearly one thousand dollars a day, imprisoned and deported you 214 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: will never return. But if you register using our CBP 215 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: home app and leave now, you could be allowed to 216 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: return legally. Do what's right. Leave now. Under President Trump 217 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: America's laws, border and families will be protected. 218 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security,